October 8, 2013

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 03:41:03

I’d be curious to hear some anecdotes on this.

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 03:42:30

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-07 22:08:21

‘investors are freaking out’

This thing has turned and everybody on the ground knows it. As one article I’m got saved says, the handwriting is on the wall, ceiling and floor.

Comment by Jingle Male
2013-10-08 04:47:26

When congress passes the budget and the raises the debt ceiling, everything will return to its original position before the “crisis”. Unless of course, you think “it is different this time”.

It is a great time to buy. Manufactured crisis are the best opportunities!

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 05:32:11

‘…everything will return to its original position before the “crisis”.’

I have been reading similar comments in the MSM financial press.

But I wonder whether it is more like everything will stop moving, but some things may have ruptured and shifted, kind of like this fence after the 1906 Great San Francisco Earthquake?

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Comment by JingleMale
2013-10-08 14:52:25

That is an act of God…..much greater impact!

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 15:35:28

When and if it occurs, the next leg down in the housing market will also be an act of God.

 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-10-08 14:57:48

“…Although only a few observers have noted the vested interest in error that accompanies speculative euphoria, it is, nonetheless, an extremely plausible phenomenon. Those involved with the speculation are experiencing an increase in wealth–getting rich or being further enriched. No one wishes to believe that this is fortuitous or undeserved; all wish to think that it is the result of their own superior insight or intuition. The very increase in values thus captures the thoughts and minds of those being rewarded. Speculation buys up, in a very practical way, the intelligence of those involved.

This is particularly true of the first group noted above–those who are convinced that values are going up permanently and indefinitely. But the errors of vanity of those who think they will beat the speculative game are also thus reinforced. As long as they are in, they have a strong pecuniary commitment to belief in the unique personal intelligence that tells them there will be yet more. ..Strongly reinforcing the vested interest in euphoria is the condemnation that the reputable public and financial opinion directs at those who express doubt or dissent. It is said that they are unable, because of defective imagination or other mental inadequacy, to grasp the new and rewarding circumstances that sustain and secure the increase in values…”

-John Kenneth Galbraith
A Short History of Financial Euphoria

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Comment by Jingle Male
2013-10-08 15:25:58

If your post is referring to me, I am neither euphoric nor counting on appreciation. I am well diversified in dividend paying funds and short term bonds. Cash flow is king in my book.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 16:11:35

And that’s all it is. A book. Keep talkin’ your book while your losses grow.

 
 
 
 
Comment by (Still) Waiting for the Fall
2013-10-08 04:47:40

Foreclosure Auction Report:
last 30 days, Volusia County, FL
347 auctions,
43 to third party, mostly LLC’s, REITs
2 to private individuals

anecdotal, but empirical evidence from last month shows a decline of about 30% in third party purchases. When AMH, BX, and WAC start to tank, watch out below. Already, AMH is below its IPO, and that was only two months ago. It spiked recently, when all of the media hype on the booming rental market hit the airwaves. Probably the brokerage houses pumped the shares into unsuspecting pension plans and sheeple portfolios to get them off their books, made a quick buck, and moved closer to the exit.

Comment by CarrieAnne
2013-10-08 07:31:34

+1

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-10-08 09:23:14

Already, AMH is below its IPO, and that was only two months ago.

Ouch!

 
 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-10-08 05:32:57

“… anecdotes on this.”

American Homes 4 Rent (AMH) announced today that it is going back into the market to get some more money; It wants to sell 4 million shares of 5% preferred stock.

On September 30 it filed to change its borrowing requirements from $500 million to $800 million and also wants to extend its repayment date.

IMO it sounds as if AWH might be experiencing a wee case of lackofmoney.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-10-08 05:34:09

AWH = AMH

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 08:03:53

‘The founder of American Homes 4 Rent saw an opportunity in the public-storage space and created an industry-leading company. Now he’s seeing an opportunity in single-family homes, and he’s trying to repeat his earlier success. American Homes is huge, owning around 20,000 homes, but — you may have guessed it — pays no dividend.’

‘In fact, American Homes isn’t shy about what it wants to do. “We have not adopted and do not expect to adopt a policy of making future acquisitions only if they are accretive to existing yields and distributable cash.” In plain English, the company is looking to benefit from the capital appreciation of under-priced assets — shareholder dividends aren’t paramount.’

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:08:56

“…the company is looking to benefit from the capital appreciation of under-priced assets…”

Has there ever been another episode in American financial history when so many people made so much money on investment schemes that appeared so utterly inane?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-10-08 09:24:14

“…the company is looking to benefit from the capital appreciation of under-priced assets…”

They think that rental houses are going to appreciate? Good luck with that one. They tend to do the opposite. And quickly.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2013-10-08 06:41:04

OR have the Chinese buy the company…..the Fed or Fannie cant directly sell the houses and mortgages to them,the political outrage would be tremendous, but a public company or a hedge fund can.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 09:05:30

Raising money through preferred stock is not a new game for W Hughes. Public Storage has preferred’s through the letter “X”.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 09:59:40

Applied for a position there. Nice upscale building in Agoura Hills, Ca. Lots of sq ft with no receptionist and lots of empty offices. Once inside, the illusion of prosperity vanished.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 10:59:50

That describes most of my customers in the manufacturing world across just about every industry, particularly electronic components…BA seems busy right now, however.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 06:22:39

Work was completed two months ago on the luxury apartment conversion of the old grist mill warehouse in the village. A store front on Main St was dressed up as a rental office. There aren’t any cars parked at the place.

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-10-08 06:57:20

Don’t worry, Halloween is coming up. The place could become a pirate shop.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 08:56:59

The place could become a pirate shop.

Or perhaps it already is?

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-10-08 09:58:20

There are at least two “Halloween Stores” that have popped up in our little burg. One is in a old Blockbuster store that closed a few years ago. Another one is in an old Albertson’s store.

I remember when Halloween was a kid’s holiday.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 10:04:48

Halloween is a very lucrative holiday. Way to fancy and competitive these days for my taste. And for Godsakes, skip the mall and let the kids hit the neighborhood. The helicopter parents bug the $hit out of me. The razorblade in the apple is an urban legend. No ER in the US ever had an incident on record.

 
Comment by Pete
2013-10-08 11:46:23

“The razorblade in the apple is an urban legend.”

Urban legend or not, it’s very much in the spirit of Halloween itself (it scares people). I’m not totally opposed to Halloween, but it’s a pretty crazy ritual when you think about it. My wife got one of those bowls with the hand sticking out that grabs you when you reach in for the candy. Our 2-year old is scared
sh*tless of this bowl, though he can now be in the same room with it if he’s convinced it’s turned off. Funny on one level, I guess.

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-10-08 13:10:27

I agree that Halloween is a bizarre day. Our family used to have fun with it, however, scaring the bejeebus out of trick-or-treaters. We would adorn the porch with ghosts, webs, dim lights, creepy music, “enter at your own risk” signs, etc. Then we would take one of those large green plastic garbage cans with the attached lid on it, place it in an unsuspecting location near the porch, put a scary looking fake body in it which was hooked to the underside of the lid with a light illuminating it, rig a pulley system through a nearby window with a cable, and attach it to the lid. When the trick-or-treaters were next to the garbage can, we would yank the cable from inside the house and let out a scream at the same time the lid would fly open with the body flying out. Someone would also emerge from the bushes in a scary costume. It was a terrifying experience. :) Then my mom, young and pretty at the time, would open the door and give them candy and all was better.

 
Comment by Pete
2013-10-08 16:24:56

That’s great! I remember families like that who went all out. And maybe there’s some positive benefit here, like teaching young people to confront their fears, I don’t know. I only know that the whole Halloween thing is akin to deciding as a society to have our little ones watch “The Exorcist” or “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” once a year for kicks.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 16:28:40

Pete
Those hand in the bowl are a hoot. Your 2 year old is lucky. His parents have a sense of humor :) Have fun, all of you.

United States of Moral Hazard
Love that story. Thanks for sharing. Tonight we’re planning our Halloween decorating. Can’t wait!

You’re never to old to have a second childhood.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 17:29:56

‘American Homes 4 Rent announces public offering of 5% series a participating preferred shares (AMH) 15.60 : Co announced that the Company has commenced an underwritten public offering of its 5% Series A Participating Preferred Shares. Investors in the Series A Participating Preferred Shares may also potentially benefit from home price appreciation in the Company’s top 20 markets by participating in home price gains as determined by the Federal Housing Finance Agency’s House Price Index, subject to certain limitations and payable upon certain defined realization events in each case described in the prospectus for the securities.[1] In addition, the Company will grant the underwriters a 30-day option to purchase up to an additional 15% of the Series A Participating Preferred Shares.’

‘The Company intends to apply to list the Series A Participating Preferred Shares on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol “AMHPRA.” The Company intends to distribute the net proceeds of the offering to its operating partnership. The operating partnership intends to use the net proceeds of the offering to continue to acquire and renovate single-family properties, to repay borrowings under its credit facility and for general business purposes.’

Whatever could this mean?

‘payable upon certain defined realization events’

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 17:37:46

The ‘realization’ one got stuck holding the bag, perhaps?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 17:47:51

realization

1. Conversion of assets, goods, or services into cash or receivables through sale. Also called actualization.
2. In accrual basis accounting, recognition of revenue upon its occurrence, when the title passes from seller to the buyer with the associated creation of an obligation to pay. In contrast, in cash based accounting revenue is recognized only when cash is received.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/realization.html#ixzz2hBIn9JIT

In case of sale of goods, revenue must be recognized when the seller transfers the risks and rewards associated with the ownership of the goods to the buyer. This is generally deemed to occur when the goods are actually transferred to the buyer. Where goods are sold on credit terms, revenue is recognized along with a corresponding receivable.

http://accounting-simplified.com/financial/concepts-and-principles/realization.html#sthash.kjyX4jvz.dpuf

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 18:24:43

Upon further reflection, it appears that to some extent AMH is selling the appreciation to these preferred shareholders, who will be paid upon these ‘defined realization events.’ The money will be used to ‘continue to acquire and renovate single-family properties, to repay borrowings under its credit facility and for general business purposes’.

So basically AMH is starting to sell their houses now.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 03:43:48

Given that debt default isn’t happening, why get your undies in a bunch?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 03:50:33

Investment Banking
October 7, 2013, 8:52 pm
Little Fear on Wall St. of Default, at Moment
By NATHANIEL POPPER

Jacob Lew, the Treasury secretary. The Obama administration and House Republicans are at an impasse over the debt ceiling.
Alex Wong/Getty Images

Wall Street is showing few signs so far that it is fearing the financial panic it has been predicting should the government default on its debt.

The fiscal impasse in Washington continued to weigh on stock prices on Monday, as the market’s “fear gauge,” the C.B.O.E. volatility index, jumped 15.95 percent to its highest level since June. Nonetheless, the market reaction to date has been muted compared with past crises.

“We all tell ourselves, ‘This is something that is not going to happen,’ ” said David Coard, the head of fixed-income trading at the Williams Capital Group. “This would be like a black swan event — it’s not something that you would have thought that the U.S. could do in a million years.”

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Comment by rms
2013-10-08 21:31:20

“We all tell ourselves, ‘This is something that is not going to happen,’ ” said David Coard, the head of fixed-income trading at the Williams Capital Group. “This would be like a black swan event — it’s not something that you would have thought that the U.S. could do in a million years.”

Bueller?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 22:44:54

“…— it’s not something that you would have thought that the U.S. could do in a million years.”

Even though the U.S. effectively has already done it several times over the course of 237 years?

Hmmmm…

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:15:52

A one-month shutdown risks triggering 20% to 30% correction: Barry Ritholtz
October 7, 2013, 4:36 PM

A government shutdown that drags on for a month or longer could trigger a 20% to 30% correction in the market, Barry Ritholtz said in an interview with Yahoo Finance.

The U.S. is kicking off its second week of a partial shutdown, and the heated rhetoric spewing from politicians on both sides of the aisle doesn’t bode well for the chances of a speedy compromise. (Indeed, things were so hunger-inducing in Washington, D.C. on Friday that President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden walked over to a nearby shop for hearty sandwiches.)

After three or four weeks, the shutdown would “take a big chunk” out of gross domestic product, chip away an consumer confidence and “really have an impact on earnings,” Ritholtz said. “Earnings are at a very high cyclical level,” he said in an interview posted Friday. “And if we do anything to damage that, you risk a 20% to 30% correction in the market if this goes on for a month or longer,” he said.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:17:49

Social Security issues debt-ceiling warning
October 7, 2013, 3:24 PM
By Matthew Heimer

The federal government shutdown hasn’t affected Social Security benefits. But it’ll be a different story if the government doesn’t raise the debt ceiling, according to the Social Security Administration. The Wall Street Journal’s Damian Paletta reports today that the administration has begun warning consumers who call in to ask about the effects of the shutdown that if Congress and the White House don’t reach an agreement to increase the government’s borrowing limit, it can’t guarantee that benefits will be paid in full.

The government is expected to hit the current federal debt limit on Oct. 17. If the ceiling isn’t increased, the government will be limited to spending only the cash it has on hand and coming in the door, and the Treasury Department will have to decide who gets paid and who gets left in the lurch. (Interest payments on the existing federal debt would be likely to get top priority.) A Social Security spokesman tells Paletta that the agency began issuing its warning to retirees and other inquiring parties after consulting with Treasury officials.

Comment by tresho
2013-10-08 12:32:36

the Treasury Department will have to decide who gets paid and who gets left in the lurch. The entire Dept. of Education could get “left in the lurch” and we would all be better off for it.

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:21:09

‘Saturday Night Live’ recap: Miley came in like a wrecking ball
By Hillary Busis on Oct 6, 2013 at 8:03AM

Say what you will about Miley Cyrus, but you’ve got to admit a few things: One, the girl clearly has a healthy sense of humor.

Best Sketch

From the first shot of John Boehner snapping in a gold grill to the last image of Michele Bachman groping the Speaker over his mesh bra top, SNL‘s near shot-for-shot remake of Cyrus’s surreal “We Can’t Stop” video — remade as a celebration of the government shutdown — was damn near flawless. Before you check it out (again or for the first time), try rewatching the original. It’ll make you fully appreciate how brilliantly this short twists that clip’s bizarre imagery, from its french fry White House to elephant bleeding Pepto Bismol to the smoke radiating from Uncle Sam’s crotch. There’s also a gratuitous Taran Killam butt shot. Oh, and the parody’s lyrics aren’t bad either. (Best part: “And everyone in line for early childcare/Anyone who planned to see a grizzly bear/We are all shut down here…”)

Comment by michael
2013-10-08 07:26:00

banksters hate it, china hates it, and now miley cyrus hates it…this government shutdown is looking better and better!

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 07:58:52

“…looking better and better!”

So is Michelle Bachmann!

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:32:34

Is there any American sufficiently dumb to not realize this “crisis” was manufactured months ago by Republican party planners?

A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning

By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and MIKE McINTIRE
Published: October 5, 2013

“You are here because now is the single best time we have to defund Obamacare. This is a fight we can win.” SENATOR TED CRUZ, speaking in August to a Heritage Action gathering in Dallas
Michael Stravato for The New York Times

WASHINGTON — Shortly after President Obama started his second term, a loose-knit coalition of conservative activists led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III gathered in the capital to plot strategy. Their push to repeal Mr. Obama’s health care law was going nowhere, and they desperately needed a new plan.

Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed “blueprint to defunding Obamacare,” signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups.

It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government.

“We felt very strongly at the start of this year that the House needed to use the power of the purse,” said one coalition member, Michael A. Needham, who runs Heritage Action for America, the political arm of the Heritage Foundation. “At least at Heritage Action, we felt very strongly from the start that this was a fight that we were going to pick.”

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 09:02:44

Is there any American sufficiently dumb to not realize this “crisis” was manufactured months ago by Republican party planners?

Yes, it was planned by the Repubs. Even some objective Republicans admit it, or at least man-up and own it.

But I don’t think the proper question to ask is how “dumb” they are, but rather how “indoctrinated” the deniers are. This is more like a religious thing - similar to the fervour of the Islamists. It’s all dogma and ideology with them. You can cite facts, figures and logic to those kind of people until you are blue in the face, but their eyes glaze over and their “beliefs” or indoctrination preclude them from accepting the facts, because the facts threaten their beliefs. Which is a shame because their beliefs lead to extremist actions that threaten the economy and our Democracy.

“Dogmatic ideological parties tend to splinter the political and social fabric of a nation, lead to governmental crises and deadlocks, and stymie the compromises so often necessary to preserve freedom and achieve progress.”
George Romney

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 09:14:44

George Romney

Ha ha! So now you’re quoting a Romney!

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 09:31:53

Ha ha! So now you’re quoting a Romney!

I simply quoted a moderate Republican on how extremists (like Islamists) damage their country. (Too bad he was beaten by Nixon in the primary.)

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 09:39:06

‘a moderate Republican’

‘extremists (like Islamists)’

Boy, you’re really pulling out all the stops.

Here’s a sure sign you are on the wrong side; when you start calling everybody who disagrees with you an extremist. Next thing you’ll be saying they want to send arms to Al-Qaeda.

BTW, did anyone ever hear if the shutdown postponed the arms shipments to Al-Qaeda in Syria?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 09:48:37

Here’s a sure sign you are on the wrong side; when you start calling everybody who disagrees with you an extremist.

Wrong side?
So all the Repubs (politicians and regular folk) who are calling the Tea Party extremists on this issue are “on the wrong side”?

Why are the the millions of Repubs calling the Tea Party extremists on the “wrong side”?

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2013-10-08 09:32:13

“…led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III…”

Huh? I’d forgotten all about this pork belly.

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:38:06

A Morgan Stanley buy, Alcoa’s report and the streaker opens up
October 8, 2013, 6:41 AM
By Shawn Langlois

The fact that the market is still ambling along with only the slightest hitch in its giddy-up is a testament to the faith investors have in the ability of stocks to get cranking up again once this shutdown finally ends.

Perhaps the tepid selling is also a reason there’s not more urgency among politicians to reach a deal. No matter how long we have to wait for the jamokes in D.C. to stop the madness, the day will eventually come. When it does, pent-up buying will arrive with it.

That’s one way to look at it. Another would be John Hussman’s way.

We face a combination of unfavorable valuation and still unfavorable market internals,” the longtime bear wrote in his weekly comment. “We haven’t ruled out the possibility of a speculative blowoff, but that’s a risk best treated as something to be insured against than something to be anticipated.”

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:40:45

The longer shutdown squabbling goes on, the better: RBC Capital’s Porcelli
October 7, 2013, 10:25 AM
Bloomberg
John Boehner, Nancy Pelosi

As the second week of the shutdown gets underway, to the tune of shrill selling across global markets, a novel approach comesfrom RBC Capital Markets on Monday: Let the politicians keep squabbling, we’re better off in the long run.

Chief U.S. economist Tom Porcelli explains:

It may sound perverse, but the longer the government remains dark, the better. We believe the longer the bickering/negotiating (depends who you ask) lasts, the greater the likelihood both the shutdown and debt ceiling issues get resolved. Letting lawmakers hash out their differences under a relatively benign government shutdown creates an opportunity for a quicker resolution on the looming debt ceiling crisis.

Porcelli estimates the U.S. will hit that debt ceiling by Halloween, meaning investors should expect this impasse to last. But even if the market and Jack Lew are getting nervous, he maintains the odds of a Treasury default are near zero. He notes clients are putting in default-oriented trades, as a way of hedging against a default rather than reflecting the belief that a default is going to happen. But these trades should taper off soon, with flows then heading the other way.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:48:18

US shutdown: what will happen and who will it affect?
Heather Stewart
The Observer, Saturday 5 October 2013 13.29 EDT

Have the markets panicked?

Not exactly. Initially, Wall Street reacted quite calmly, as investors calculated that even a brief shutdown could prompt the Federal Reserve to postpone any decision to start phasing out its $85bn-a-month quantitative easing scheme. Since markets love the cheap money the Fed pumps out through QE, they saw a postponement of so-called “tapering” as good news.

By Friday, however, when the shutdown had proved to be more than a 24-hour flash in the pan, investors had begun fretting about the deadline of 17 October, by which time Congress must agree an increase in the government’s debt ceiling or Washington may start to default on some of its debts. That had seemed unthinkable, but the poisonous political standoff over the shutdown made it seem like a real possibility. Perhaps not surprisingly, the yield, or interest rate, on short-term government bonds jumped: a signal that investors had begun pricing in a tiny risk of default. Jack Lew, Barack Obama’s treasury secretary, warned in an article that “if the US cannot pay its bills in full and on time, each and every American will be affected”.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 05:38:57

I know Republican pols generally dislike the Fed’s quantitative easing policy. Do you think they realize their current actions may increase the chances QE3 may never be tapered?

Oct. 8, 2013, 8:31 a.m. EDT
Meanwhile, back at the Fed …
Commentary: If the shutdown wears on, expect more Fed stimulus
By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch

PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. — You can forget about the Federal Reserve tapering its purchases of long-term securities. The way things are going inside the Beltway, the Fed may well have to ramp them up, instead.

The government shutdown has halted many functions, among them data generation. Most of the data economists and policy makers live by emanate from Washington’s statistical mills. I am referring, of course, to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Census Bureau and the Commerce Dept., to name three. All of these are closed.

Besides releasing its own data on consumer credit, bank loans and flows of funds, the Federal Reserve is a heavy user of stats generated by other government agencies, especially those dealing with the labor market.

Central bankers rely on government data to guide them in conducting monetary policy. Simply put, under its chairman, Ben Bernanke, the Fed has become data-driven.

As you know, monetary policy has long been preoccupied with boosting economic activity. Back in the spring, however, Bernanke and others hinted that the time was fast approaching when the Fed needed to dial policy back a smidgeon.

Central bankers said their decision to cut back their easing would be based on the jobless rate and the inflation rate reaching certain targets. Now, with the government closed, no data means no taper.

In the great scheme of things, the government shutdown is no big deal. As a matter of fact, I can recall times when both Wall Street and Main Street would cheer whenever Washington was shut – it meant less opportunity for the pols to do mischief.

I don’t know any more than you how long the government will remain shut, but even if it lasts 21 days — the longest of the 17 shutdowns since 1977 — it will only slice a half-point off GDP growth in the fourth quarter. Sixty percent of the government is open, more every day, while half of the furloughed employees have already been called back to work.

On the other hand, if the political brouhaha escalates and results in no lifting of the debt ceiling, the Fed will probably have to inject more money into the economy, not less. This is because such a development will put us into uncharted territory, in terms of what might happen to the financial markets both here and abroad.

Long before this happens you may expect the stock market to take a header. This will be a signal in no uncertain terms that the pols need to get their act together.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 09:19:13

I know Republican pols generally dislike the Fed’s quantitative easing policy.

Really? Seems to me everybody likes it but us and the Austrian school types, of which there seem to be few left.

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:29:04

Some regional Fed bank presidents clearly dislike quantitative easing, especially when it is used to prop up the housing sector.

Fed’s Fisher Says Economic Uncertainty Hinders Expansion

By Jeff Kearns & Darrell Preston - Oct 3, 2013 4:04 PM PT

Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas President Richard Fisher, who has opposed additional stimulus, said years of high “economic policy uncertainty” in the U.S. have been a “significant hindrance” to economic growth.

The Fed’s surprising investors by delaying the first taper of bond buying amid an improved labor market “may have increased uncertainty about the future path of monetary policy,” Fisher, who does not vote on monetary policy this year, said today in a speech in Dallas.

“That was one argument raised against the decision not to taper,” Fisher said of the Fed’s policy meeting last month. “I know, because I made the argument, and I was not alone.”

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 09:39:44

So far that just seems like token opposition to make the Austrian types feel represented within the system?

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 10:28:56

“I know, because I made the argument, and I was not alone.”

I know what I said because I was standing there when I said it!

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-10-08 09:50:16

Whac-a-Bubble™: I know Republican pols generally dislike the Fed’s quantitative easing policy.

Carl Morris: Really? Seems to me everybody likes it but us and the Austrian school types, of which there seem to be few left.

• Every social policy has costs and benefits. Right now, the costs are being ignored.

• The current meme is, “If the Fed doesn’t do SOMETHING, the whole country, nay world, will economically implode.”

The problem is, devaluing currency so that there is more of the logical construct which people value, is a concept going back to Roman times. They think they’re being clever by the Fed buying government debt or buying debt directly. But it’s still targeted pumping of money into certain sectors.

So, government has an infinite checkbook. They start pumping money into education, housing, healthcare and what happens? Prices in those sectors skyrocket (I realize debauched lending led to the first bubble, but government guarantees of that debt meant it was like printing money which the government would ultimately provide).

All they’re doing is causing massive distortions, which coincidentally, are in favor of the biggest contributors.

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 05:44:53

ft dot com > World > US >
US Politics & Policy
Last updated: October 8, 2013 7:37 am
China and Japan warn US on default
By Tom Mitchell in Beijing, Gina Chon in Washington, Ben McLannahan in Tokyo and Paul J Davies in Hong Kong
Clouds fill the sky in front of the U.S. Capitol on October 7, 2013 in Washington, DC. Democrats and Republicans are still at a stalemate on funding for the federal government as the shut down goes into the seventh day
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China and Japan ratcheted up pressure on the US to avoid an unprecedented US default on its debt as Democrats and Republicans continued their stand-off over the budget in the second week of a US government shutdown.

Two senior White House economic officials said on Monday that President Barack Obama would not back down from his refusal to negotiate with Republicans in Congress, increasing worries that the debt ceiling limit would be reached on October 17 without an agreement, raising the threat of a default.

In its first official reaction to the US political stalemate over the budget and looming debt ceiling deadline later this month, Beijing said “the clock is ticking” and urged politicians in Washington to “ensure the safety of the Chinese investments”.

Zhu Guangyao, vice-finance minister, told a media briefing that China has made clear its unease over the political impasse in Washington. In Japan, the Ministry of Finance is very worried about the potential impact on currency markets, according to a senior official. A US default could cause investors to dump the US dollar, which would sharply push up the value of the yen.

On Tuesday Japan’s finance minister Taro Aso called on “the United States to resolve its debt ceiling stand-off without delay”.

The absolute value of US bonds held by the Japanese government could decline if the situation was not brought to a swift end, he added.

Comment by michael
2013-10-08 06:21:01

China and Japan warn US on default…at least until thye can sell all their holdings to a greater fool…err…i mean…the grand and glorius…all knowing and all wisfe…federal reserve bank

Comment by michael
2013-10-08 06:22:26

should have said…greatest fool.

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Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 06:25:57

Exactly! Make the Federal Reserve eat its own vomit, I like that!

You know, this could be a great way to bring down that pesky organization.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:00:18

Do you mean to suggest their vomit eating capacity has a limit?

 
Comment by michael
2013-10-08 09:27:21

Maître d: “Ah, good afternoon, sir; and how are we today?”

Mr. Creosote: “Better.”

Maître d: “Better?”

Mr. Creosote: “Better get a bucket, I’m gonna throw up.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 05:53:54

ft dot com
Markets Insight
October 8, 2013 9:46 am
US default would send markets into a panic
By John Plender
Economic impact could send US back into recession

Is the US the new Italy? Certainly it is demonstrating comparable levels of political dysfunctionality with the government closure and debt ceiling fiasco. Or is the more appropriate parallel Belgium, which recently spent the best part of two years without political leadership as politicians bickered and prevaricated over the formation of a government?

Happily, neither comparison is entirely apt because the US remains a huge, flexible economy with far greater growth potential and a more manageable burden of public sector debt. For such an obviously creditworthy country to default would be almost surreal. Suggestions that default would wreak havoc on the scale of the Lehman Brothers collapse in 2008 are thus wide of the mark, not least because there is no solvency issue.

That said, if the Republican strategy leads to sovereign default it would amount to a disastrous case of burning down the house to roast the pig. Default in the largest sovereign bond market in the world – a possible consequence of a failure to lift the debt ceiling – would surely lead to extreme bond market volatility and a nasty fall in equities.

And unlike the comparable panic over the debt ceiling in 2011, the eurozone sovereign debt crisis is in abeyance, so the safe haven quality of US Treasuries will look less compelling to foreign creditors. Then there will be serious real economic effects. Declining business confidence together with a tough fiscal squeeze would return the country to recession, especially if President Obama squeezes exceptionally hard to avoid a default.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-10-08 06:02:06

Let me see if I understand this correctly:

The U.S. government is going to cut back on the amount of money it is spending - not the amount of money it is taking in, the amount of money that it is spending. And because it is going to do this it will not have the money to make good on its commitments and thus will default on these commitments.

Does anyone here on the message board, besides myself, think this concept is nuts?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 06:05:35

A key area of concern is whether spending cutbacks will be limited to future spending plans, or if they could extend to existing commitments. Apparently this has implications for the U.S. credit rating.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-10-08 06:19:04

Does anyone here on the message board, besides myself, think this concept is nuts?

Agreed. Why don’ we just stiff someone else, and make the interest payments on the bonds?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 06:28:04

It reflects the average thought process. The only way possible to pay our debts is to borrow the money. Living within our means is just not something to consider.

Comment by measton
2013-10-08 07:08:43

It is the only way. If they don’t print the debt will never get paid. If they double the cost of everything via the printing press and double salaries and GDP suddently the debt looks much more manageable. Of course this only works as long as the money reaches the masses and interest rates stay low. If it is stuck in a vault or used to drive up the cost of food and fuel things will get worse.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 08:33:08

Who is “they”? The US government? It doesn’t print money. It either gets is by taxing you or by borrowing it. The Federal Reserve will lend as much as we can stomach.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 09:21:59

The Federal Reserve will lend as much as we can stomach.

We’re like a foie gras factory at this point…

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:02:16

Fed’s Bernanke Says Economy Faces Some ‘Difficulties’
Posted in Work
Tue, Jul 15 - 4:33 pm EDT | 5 years ago by Mark Jabo

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke testified in front of Congress today in the wake of the second-largest bank failure in U.S. history and as bank stocks continued to post double-digit losses from already depressed levels.

With the dollar near record lows, oil prices near record highs, home defaults surging, salmonella infecting our food and the Love Guru still playing in theaters around the country, Bernanke noted that “everything’s not as rosy as it could be.”

“If I didn’t make over $200,000-a-year and have a lifetime of multi-million dollar consulting fees waiting for me after a four-year gig, I might be panicking,” Bernanke mused. “In the meantime, I’ll just keep urging the government to keep taxing people so it can bail out everyone.”

In a related story, a cartoon depicting Treasury Secretary Paulson and Bernanke as foie gras makers fattening up a goose labeled “U.S. Housing Market” appeared on the cover of The New Yorker.

Editors defended the cartoon saying they had abandoned satire after the recent Obama cover and the goose cover was meant to be taken literally.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 10:15:11

Nice. Not much else to say then.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnne
2013-10-08 07:49:22

How often in the last 30 years has the creditor come after the debtor for collateral? With the exception of car repossessions, people can’t even imagine there’s a downside.

As I watch what is being considered in Greece and other struggling countries I figure that practice of virtual inaction could change in a heartbeat.

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Comment by Strawberrypicker
2013-10-08 08:05:31

So I bought a fancy new car with $500 a month payments. I make payments fine for the first 10 months because I have a credit card with a $5000 limit. I now need to find another card with a $5000 or more limit to keep the ship afloat for a while longer. But hey, I. Axe the commitment for that new car.

Comment by Strawberrypicker
2013-10-08 08:06:45

” I. Axe” = I made

I think autocorrect is sentient. Skynetcorrect

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Comment by oxide
2013-10-08 08:58:31

I guess it depends on what you think is fancier: Grandpa’s Lipitor or the F-35 fighter jet.

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Comment by cactus
2013-10-08 09:15:06

Does anyone here on the message board, besides myself, think this concept is nuts?”

Raise taxes cut benefits? Very deflationary. kinda screwed aren’t we.

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 06:11:23

IMF cuts global growth forecast, warns of prolonged stupor
WASHINGTON | Tue Oct 8, 2013 9:02am EDT

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) logo is seen at the IMF headquarters building during the 2013 Spring Meeting of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank in Washington, April 18, 2013. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas

(Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund trimmed its forecasts for global output on Tuesday for the sixth time since early last year, saying stronger growth in most advanced economies would fail to make up for a more sluggish expansion in the developing world.

Prospects for emerging markets, long the engine of the global recovery, have dimmed somewhat with both structural and cyclical factors at play, the IMF said in its latest snapshot on the health of the global economy.

The United States is driving much of the global recovery and U.S. output should pick up further next year - as long as politics do not get in the way, the IMF said, referring to a looming standoff over the nation’s $16.7 trillion debt ceiling.

A failure to promptly raise the debt ceiling, leading to a U.S. selective default, could seriously damage the global economy,” the IMF warned in its latest World Economic Outlook, released ahead of its twice-yearly meetings later this week.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:33:58

When will Congress feel pressure to end the shutdown? It could take weeks.
By Brad Plumer, Published: October 3 at 10:57 am

We’re already seeing the effects of the government shutdown. More than 700,000 federal workers have been sent home without pay. National parks and memorials are barricaded. The National Institutes of Health is turning away cancer patients from clinical trials.

But when do these effects become so overwhelming that the political pressure on Congress becomes unbearable? How long can members of Congress hold out before they simply have to reach a deal and end the shutdown?

That’s a harder question, and there’s reason to think that Congress can hold out for quite some time — a week, perhaps more. During the last shutdown in 1995-96, only a small portion of the country felt the impacts at first. It wasn’t until contractors and businesses started laying people off that the political pressure became more acute. That could take awhile.

On the flip side, however, the shutdown will become increasingly painful and politically volatile as it drags on. If the impasse extends past the middle of the month, millions of paychecks will get delayed and veterans’ benefits could get disrupted. So it’s not clear Congress and the White House can hold out forever, either.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:38:33

Best idea for quickly ending the shutdown: Hit rich guys in the wallet.

Capitol Report
Why a Wall Street drop may be needed to break political logjam
October 8, 2013, 10:25 AM

The markets are watching the politicians. The politicians are watching the markets. Sort of.

As opposed to the last time the U.S. was playing default brinkmanship, there seems to be little panic among some lawmakers this time. A fresh Reuters report finds many in the GOP don’t really believe a default is coming, ‘Hey, the U.S. doesn’t have to pay all of its bills on time,’ as a way of playing hard ball with the White House. Jack Lew, we aren’t afraid of you.

And maybe some politicians aren’t too scared of the markets either, at least they’re not showing it yet.

The S&P 500 (SPX -0.67%) sold off sharply during the last round of brinkmanship over a debt default (see chart). The index fell to a four-week low and the CBOE’s VIX (VIX +1.24%) “fear” gauge reached its highest levels since June on Monday, but things have not exactly been crazy since this whole mess started. BTIG’s Dan Greenhaus notes the S&P 500 is down in ten of its last 13 sessions, a drop of 2.9%, which he describes as “modest.”

Here’s a favorite saying these days among market players: “We’ve seen this movie before, we know how it ends.” So the markets are sure a deal will be reached, just as some politicians at least appear to feel no urgency.

But is it possible that maybe Wall Street needs to kick up a little more fuss to help get the ball rolling on Wall Street? Writing for New York Times’s Dealbook, Nathaniel Popper says some are worried the reaction among investors has been way too calm, and that the markets aren’t going to signal to politicians just how dangerous a debt ceiling breach is until it’s too late.

“The markets are sending this complacent message, and I think the politicians are interpreting it incorrectly and they have no sense of urgency,” said Douglas Kass, the owner of the hedge fund Seabreeze Partners Management.

So what’s the solution? A sell-off to kick those politicians into gear?

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:31:25

HEARD ON THE STREET
October 7, 2013, 12:28 p.m. ET
Economy Won’t Just Bump Head on Ceiling
Estimating the Economic Effects of the Government Shutdown Is Fairly Straightforward; Not So the Havoc That Could Be Wrought by the Debt-Ceiling Fight
By JUSTIN LAHART
CONNECT

The government shutdown set economists to calculating just how much it would undermine growth. The debt-ceiling fight hasn’t sparked the same sort of effort—but not because people aren’t itching to know how badly it could hurt the economy.

Coming up with an estimate for how much the shutdown will affect gross domestic product is a fairly mechanical process. The 1995-96 shutdown provides a guide for how lost government output will affect the economy, and you can throw in added drag from lost business and consumer confidence. Most economists reckon the shutdown will shave 0.1 to 0.2 percentage point off annualized fourth-quarter GDP.

In contrast, how badly the debt-ceiling fight might damage the economy is impossible to quantify. But qualitative assessment is easy: It could really, really hurt.

The only guide to the potential impact of the fight over raising the government’s borrowing limit is the debt-ceiling standoff that buckled markets in summer 2011. That was a major blow to confidence.

The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan index of consumer sentiment fell sharply, and the Institute for Supply Management’s manufacturing and nonmanufacturing activity indexes slumped. That June, economists polled by The Wall Street Journal had estimated third-quarter 2011 GDP would grow at a 3.3% annual rate; the data now show it grew just 1.4%.

But the 2011 experience offers only a rough map for how the current fight might affect the economy. For starters, damage from the debt-ceiling fight will intersect with damage the shutdown is already causing. Indeed, even though worries about the debt-ceiling have yet to really heat up, Gallup’s daily measure of consumer confidence has measured nearly as steep a drop over the past month as it did during the 2011 debt-ceiling fight.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:33:14

Fed Tapering Is Key Downside Risk for Emerging Asia, OECD Says
By Sharon Chen - Oct 8, 2013 12:00 AM PT

Emerging Asia’s medium-term economic growth faces risks from the paring of monetary stimulus by the U.S. Federal Reserve, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said.

Policy makers in the region, which includes Southeast Asia, China (CNGDPYOY) and India, will continue to face the challenge of managing international capital flows while ensuring sustainable growth, the Paris-based OECD said in a report released in Brunei today.

The World Bank yesterday cut its growth forecasts for developing East Asia this year and next, citing risks to the global recovery including the Fed’s tapering of its monthly asset purchases. Emerging-market stocks plunged after May 22, when Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said for the first time it could withdraw stimulus, and then rebounded after the Fed decided last month to continue its quantitative-easing program.

“One of the key imminent downside risks facing emerging Asia is volatility in the financial markets, triggered by the prospects of tapering of quantitative easing policy in the U.S.,” the OECD said. There are signs of macroeconomic weaknesses, particularly in India and Indonesia, where persistent current-account deficits are a concern, it said.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:36:45

OLITICS
October 7, 2013, 8:27 p.m. ET
Top Bankers Warn on U.S. Debt Proposal
Finance Executives Warn Any Effort to Pay Bond Interest Before Other Obligations Could Pose Risk to Markets
By DEBORAH SOLOMON and DAN STRUMPF
CONNECT

Top Wall Street executives are warning that any effort to pay interest on U.S. debt before other obligations such as Social Security, a strategy some lawmakers think would placate bond investors if the government breaches its borrowing limit, would pose severe risks to financial markets and the economy.

In recent meetings with Republican lawmakers and Obama administration officials, chief executives of the nation’s largest financial institutions said putting some payments ahead of others would create insurmountable uncertainty for investors, drive up borrowing costs and cause market disruptions, according to people familiar with the meetings.

The Wall Street pushback against an idea backed by the House GOP is part of an effort to force a resolution on raising the nation’s borrowing limit, which the Treasury has said it expects to reach by mid-October. If no deal is reached, many outside observers, including debt-ratings firms, assume the government would begin prioritizing payments to bondholders over others, such as Social Security recipients or veterans, rather than risk defaulting on U.S. debt.

Market participants say while the U.S. might not technically default on its debt, missing any type of payment would likely harm the economy. “This is going to be permanently damaging for business and consumer confidence if this happens. People will never look at the United States Treasury the same ever again,” said Tom Simons, money-market economist at Jefferies Group LLC, an investment bank.

The fast-approaching deadline, paired with the inability of Republicans and Democrats to make headway in resolving it, is starting to ripple through global markets that until recently had appeared blasé.

Stocks fell Monday, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 136.34 points, or 0.9%, to 14936.24. U.S. Treasury notes, seen as a haven in times of volatility, rose, as did the price of gold. The Chicago Board Options Exchange’s Volatility Index, a gauge of fear in the stock market, rose 15%. Early Tuesday, markets in Asia fell slightly, with the Japanese benchmark index down 0.4%.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:40:23

It must be a sad day on Wall Street to witness politicians from flyover country waterboard asset prices.

12:22 pm Oct 8, 2013
Markets
Chart of the Day: T-Bill Tensions Mount
By Cynthia Lin

The broader safe-haven Treasury market might not be showing much anxiety at the moment, but the government shutdown continues to chip away at appetite for short-term Treasury bills, known as T-bills.

T-bills maturing around Oct. 31 declined in price on Tuesday, sending the one-month yield as high as 0.322%, the highest since 2008. The yield started the month at 0.02%. Worries about the government shutdown delaying an agreement to lift the debt ceiling is keeping conservative money managers away from short-term bills, as they worry that the U.S.’s inability to borrow more money may delay payments on debt due in the coming month.

Investor concerns seem to be limited to these securities at the moment, even as little evidence exists that Republicans and Democrats will hammer out a compromise on the partial government shutdown. The yields of longer-term bills, those maturing in three, six and 12 months, remain near zero, and the yield on the 10-year note has been holding steady, recently 2.63%.

Adding to worries were the results from a poor four-week Treasury bill auction, illustrating how this is an inopportune day for the US government to be raising one-month debt.

The $30 billion offering attracted a meager 2.75 cover ratio, the lowest since March 2009. Buyers who are willing to stomach a potential delay in payment remanded a 0.35% yield. That’s up from the 0.12% rate demanded at last week’s 4-week bill sale.

“The four-week bill auction went remarkably bad,” Stone McCarthy Research Associates said in a note to clients.

Stocks are also getting hit again. The Dow is on track for its 11th decline in the past 14 days and has fallen by more than 5% off last month’s record high. Andrew Wilkinson, chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak & Co., attributed the stock market’s latest leg lower to the poor Treasury bill auction.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:45:41

This whole episode brings back childhood memories of one of those playground imbroglios where you end up on the ground, locked in a clench with your worst enemy, with no clear winner, at the point when your teacher steps in to send you both to the principal’s office.

WORLD NEWS
Updated October 8, 2013, 10:42 a.m. ET
U.S. Gridlock to Be Focus of IMF Meeting
Top Officials from Around the World Will Survey Threats to the Global Economy
By THOMAS CATAN
CONNECT

WASHINGTON—The International Monetary Fund’s annual meetings are often an opportunity for top finance officials from around the world to survey the threats to the global economy. This week, as they converge in Washington for their global gabfest, the focus will be firmly on the risks posed by their host country.

“Against a backdrop of renewed policy uncertainty, the U.S. fiscal debate will likely serve as the key focal point of the discussions,” Royal Bank of Canada said in a note to investors.

While international financial officials are concerned that the continuing partial government shutdown could hurt the U.S. economy, many view it as a largely domestic political issue.

Not so the debt ceiling. International officials fear potentially catastrophic consequences if the U.S. Congress fails to lift the federal borrowing limit later this month. The Treasury Department has said that no later than Oct. 17 it will only have $30 billion in cash, and the Congressional Budget Office has said that money will be exhausted in one or two weeks. After that point, Treasury is expected to start falling behind on its bills, which include interest on its debt as well as Social Security benefits, vendor payments and veterans’ pensions.

Republicans and Democrats are gridlocked over the terms of raising the debt cap.

Many economic officials think if the U.S. defaults on its debt, the global economy could suffer a financial heart-attack that would eclipse the failure of Lehman Brothers five years ago. Many attending the meetings this week will likely take the opportunity to berate the U.S. for placing the global recovery at risk, particularly because many of them have been lectured by the U.S. on their economic management in the past.

“The government shutdown is bad enough, but failure to raise the debt ceiling would be far worse, and could very seriously damage not only the U.S. economy, but the entire global economy,” IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde said in a speech last week.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:48:15

TODAY’S MARKETS
Updated October 7, 2013, 6:35 p.m. ET
Stocks Finish Lower as Shutdown Continues
Treasurys, Gold Rise as Impasse Enters Second Week
By ALEXANDRA SCAGGS and CAROLYN CUI
CONNECT

With no end in sight to the stalemate in Washington, global stock markets slid and investors sought out the safer havens of gold and some government bonds.

Traders stressed that conditions across financial markets remained calm, and many investors said they were hopeful that the deadlock in Congress, which has led to the first partial federal government shutdown in 17 years, would end in time to avoid the Treasury Department failing to make payments on U.S. government debt.

But the uncertainty over how the political battle will play out was enough to send U.S. stocks to their 10th decline in the past 13 sessions. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 136.34 points, or 0.9%, to 14936.24, its lowest level in a month. The blue-chip index stands 4.7% below its record reached Sept. 18.

Markets in Europe and Asia also declined. The Stoxx Europe 600 fell 0.2% to close at its lowest level in a month amid the U.S. debt worries. Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average shed 1.2% after falling 5% last week.

While investors expressed annoyance with the political brinkmanship, the main concern was the possibility that the U.S. will hit the federal debt ceiling and default.

“The odds of a default are very small, but the consequences wouldn’t be pretty,” said Bob Baur, chief global economist at Principal Global Investors, which manages $289.1 billion. Mr. Baur said he hasn’t been making defensive moves and instead has been taking advantage of the market’s recent weakness to buy stocks that will perform well in a strengthening economy.

But for the most part, investors expect the situation will be resolved without a default. “In spite of all the talk, they will come to an agreement and move on,” said Margie Patel, senior portfolio manager with Wells Capital Management who manages $1.5 billion. “I’m not especially worried about it. People would like to see a bigger [pullback] so they can buy.”

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:15:44

How much does the stock market have to fall to knock some sense into Washington?
October 8, 2013, 12:01 PM

A growing chorus of commentators Tuesday suggested that Washington won’t get its act together until Wall Street throws a hissy fit.

Thus far, however, the CBOE volatility index (VIX +4.28%), aka the fear index, hasn’t even topped 20, and it’s still below the year’s high hit in June, when the Fed started hinting it might begin tapering its QE purchases.

In addition, the (S&P 500 SPX -0.78%) is only about 3% off its all-time high close to 1,730, set last month.

For investors sitting on billions in cash, however, a market break would present a buying opportunity, so perhaps it is just as well that Washington’s finest continue to channel their inner kindergartners.

In the meantime, assuming you agree with the notion that a market break will be needed to get politicians to notice their failures have real consequences, how big a drop in stock prices would it take?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:20:05

“…only about 3% off its all-time high close…”

‘Tis a mere flesh wound.

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:18:48

Oct. 8, 2013, 12:36 p.m. EDT
This is what decline of a superpower looks like
Commentary: Government shutdown hastens the long-predicted decay
By Darrell Delamaide

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Foreign policy analysts at home and abroad have been predicting for years the inevitable decline of American power, often with a fair amount of schadenfreude and sometimes even with glee.

But now that political dysfunction in Washington is accelerating, the downsizing of the world’s only remaining superpower, all you hear is whining.

“The American self-blockade is shocking,” Karl-Georg Wellmann, a foreign-policy expert for German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic party, complained to the business daily Handelsblatt. “The position as the West’s leading power will be affected.”

Europeans are particularly unhappy that the government shutdown in Washington has led to a postponement of talks on a new trade agreement with the European Union due to take place this week.

Asians also were unhappy that President Barack Obama canceled his appearance this week at two summits in that region, leaving a Pacific trade agreement twisting in the wind and giving China an opportunity to win friends and influence people.

So what did you expect American decline to look like?

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 10:41:40

This is what decline of a superpower looks like:

http://www.pajamadeen.com/images/mission-accomplished-george-bush.jpg

I’ve been asking why we are going through round after round of debt “crisis” like Greece or something. Many signs have appeared. Like when a country that spends more on the military (largely borrowed from communists) than most of the world can’t beat a bunch goat herders. That was a dead giveaway.

Empires always bankrupt the Empire. Look at England; once the sun never set on it. Now the EU tells them how to cut their cheese.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 10:58:35

Empires always bankrupt the Empire

True.

I’ve been asking why we are going through round after round of debt “crisis” like Greece or something.

Simply because of politics. The USA is not Greece by a long shot. Greece Debt/GDP is 160%. USA debt/GDP is 73%. Greece does not own the world’s reserve currency and can’t print its own money.

The USA currently has no problem borrowing money paying almost no interest and we own the world’s reserve currency.

There is no debt “crisis”. The is a political crisis.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 11:18:00

‘The USA currently has no problem borrowing money’

And Greece had no problem borrowing money for a while either. And at very low rates! Turned out that was what got them into trouble.

‘paying almost no interest’

Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding: Fiscal Year Total $415,688,781,248.40

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm

This “worlds reserve currency” will ultimately be seen as the greatest curse in the nations history.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 14:27:48

can’t beat a bunch goat herders

I don’t think we can’t beat them…it’s just that we’d have to carpet bomb the whole lot to git ‘er done. And you know us, we’re compassionate killers. We didn’t learn the lessons from Vietnam. This isn’t two sides willing to form two lines and simply shoot it out. The question is, what’s the end game of chasing goat-herders-in-hiding around? Stupid on so many fronts.

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 14:04:13

President Obama urged Speaker Boehner to allow a vote to end the government shutdown, saying that each congressman should have the choice to show where they stand. VPC
David Jackson, USA TODAY 4:22 p.m. EDT October 8, 2013

President Obama said Tuesday his staff is “exploring all contingencies” to avoid a government default, but stressed that Congress can head off economic calamity by simply raising the debt ceiling.

“There is no magic wand that allows us to wish away the chaos that could result if — for the first time in our history — we don’t pay our bills on time,” Obama said during a news conference at the White House.

On the eighth day of a government shutdown, Obama used the traditional forum of a news conference to deliver a familiar message to House Speaker John Boehner and other congressional Republicans: No negotiations until the government is re-opened and the debt ceiling is risked.

As Republicans insist on delaying parts of his his health care plan as part of any new spending plan, Obama said that “we can’t make extortion routine as part of our democracy.”

Obama addressed reporters a few hours after delivering the same news to Boehner in a morning phone call.

During the news conference, Obama said:

– The shutdown forced him to skip an economic summit in Asia, giving China and other trade competitors the chance to say the U.S. doesn’t have its act together.

“I’m sure the Chinese don’t mind that I’m not there,” Obama said, though he added he doesn’t think his absence will do “lasting damage.”

– Suggested the Supreme Court uphold new rules on political campaign contributions as part of a pending case; Obama has criticized previous court rulings in campaign finance cases.

– Vowed that recently captured al-Qaeda suspect Abu Anas al-Libi will be brought to justice in connection with the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa.

While calling for an immediate end to the shutdown, Obama is also looking toward an Oct. 17 deadline for increasing the nation’s $16.7 trillion debt ceiling, the law that gives the government authority to borrow money to pay its bills.

Refusal to raise the debt ceiling would lead to default, Obama said.

The president criticized congressional Republicans for suggesting that the government could get around default, or defer some bills. He said that’s like saying, “we should test it out — let’s take default out for a spin and see how it rides.”

Noting that the GOP has traditionally been the party of business, Obama said “there’s no businessperson out here who thinks this wouldn’t be a big deal, not one.”

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 14:08:00

Last updated: October 8, 2013 3:07 pm
Big US data gaps start to unsettle market
By FT reporters

Idle federal workers are not the only ones feeling the strain from the US government shutdown, now in its second week. Investors are, too.

Washington’s role as official data provider, regulator and policy maker is on hold. That, as well as the separate risk of failure to raise the debt ceiling possibly triggering a US default, is beginning to unsettle financial markets.

Holes in the economic calendar have robbed traders of opportunities, causing volumes in some areas of the markets to nosedive. CME eurodollar futures volume totalled just 1.5m contracts on Friday, when the government’s employment report would normally have been released. Some 3.8m contracts were traded when the monthly report was last released in early September.

The disruption has wider implications. Since the monthly payrolls data also inform the Federal Reserve’s decisions on monetary policy, a sustained absence could lead to delays in any slowing – or “tapering” – of the central bank’s emergency asset-buying programme.

David Ader, strategist at CRT Markets, says the delay in the data “makes it unlikely the Fed will have enough information to make any tapering decision in October.”

In corporate debt markets, too, new offerings have fallen sharply. Borrowers have sold about $11.5bn of investment-grade bonds in the US in the first week of October, down from $35bn in the preceding week, according to Dealogic.

In the “junk” bond market, sales have collapsed, with only four deals worth $1.1bn taking place, down from $17.8bn in the last week of September.

Analysts say the shutdown has made it harder to gauge the future path of interest rates, a crucial consideration for investors and companies wanting to borrow large sums.

“Markets have become very thin and not having access to data, such as the monthly payrolls report, changes the dynamics of trading,” says Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi.

US stocks have so far showed little reaction to the budget impasse. The benchmark S&P 500 index has declined just 0.3 per cent since last Monday.

However, the CBOE Volatility Index (Vix), a measure of implied volatility called the Wall Street “fear gauge”, has jumped 35 per cent in the past 10 trading days to its highest since June. Richard Repetto, analyst at Sandler O’Neill, says that a jump in Vix futures contracts trading has proven the exception to a slight across-the-board decline in exchange volumes.

Comment by rms
2013-10-08 14:47:13

“Idle federal workers are not the only ones feeling the strain from the US government shutdown, now in its second week. Investors are, too.”

Dear gawd…not the investors; oh, the humanity!

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 15:37:29

That’s how you can tell this will not last. There is no way Wall Street will be hung out to dry for very long before the fallout starts to blow back to Congress.

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 03:54:23

What effect (if any) is the govt shutdown having on housing?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 03:58:08

It’s a lucky thing the red-hot summer sales season is over; otherwise this sudden severe squeeze on the number of FHA employees available to process mortgage loans could be a worrisome development.

Save Money / Consumer News
Government shutdown puts squeeze on home sales
Monday, October 07, 2013
Rudabeh Shahbazi

SUN VALLEY, LOS ANGELES (KABC) — More fallout from the government shutdown: Home sales are cooling off, stalled by slower loan processing. And it could get much worse. The government shutdown is creating trouble in the recovering housing market. It’s slowing home sales, and in some cases making potential buyers think twice.

Real estate agent Candy Peak says that due to the government shutdown, those in the housing market may have a harder time buying homes.

The first thing that hit the market was the rising interest rates, but now with the uncertainty of the government shutdown, that’s putting a second layer of insecurity, and people are holding back now,” said Peak.

There are several factors involved.

One is that many Federal Housing Administration (FHA) loans, which are ensured by the government, are or will be stalled if the government remains shut down.

Mortgage broker Sanjesh Sharma says though it might not be affecting a lot of people yet, it will get much worse if federal employees continue to be furloughed.

We’ve lowered the amount of employees from 8,709 employees down to 337 employees, so obviously when you have such a reduction in employees, you’re going to have some delays,” said Sharma.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:02:30

How The Shutdown Will Hurt Virtually Anyone Who Lives In A Home
By Sarah Edelman on October 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm

The government shutdown and brinkmanship over the debt ceiling threatens the fledgling housing recovery by making it unnecessarily harder for borrowers to buy homes, homeowners to sell their homes, and low-income renters to stay in their homes. What may start out as a minor hiccup could ultimately have enormous social and economic costs if House Republicans continue to refuse to re-open the government.

First-time homebuyers, borrowers of color, and buyers in rural areas may be the first to feel the impact of the government shutdown. These homebuyers are more likely to rely on Federal Housing Administration (FHA) or Department of Agriculture (USDA) mortgage insurance to obtain a loan, since credit has tightened in the conventional mortgage market. During the shutdown, FHA’s single family lending is hobbling along understaffed and USDA mortgage lending has already shut down. There could be broader economic repercussions, business analysts warn, if homebuilders constructing homes for first-time homebuyers take a hit because of potential loan processing delays.

The shutdown will hit more borrowers harder if it persists. Generally, lenders must verify a borrower’s income and Social Security number with the Internal Revenue Service and Social Security Administration before a mortgage application can move forward. Although firms are scrambling to put contingency plans in place, homebuyers may still encounter glitches as they try to finalize loans or apply for a mortgage. If homebuyers can’t finalize their mortgages, they won’t be able to purchase properties.

And the consequences of the shutdown could be especially dire for renters. While funding is already approved to cover most rental subsidies in the medium-term, the Department of Housing and Urban Development may be hard-pressed to get the funds out the door to the public housing authorities who distribute the vouchers, as they are only operating with 4 percent of their staff. The two million households who rely on housing choice vouchers to stay in their homes may be in trouble if the shutdown lasts into November. Local public housing authorities, with budgets already ravaged by sequestration, could suspend issuing vouchers, or even revoke housing vouchers in some instances, to handle the new financing uncertainty created by the shutdown, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 09:24:37

How The Shutdown Will Hurt Virtually Anyone Who Lives In A Home

So the “virtually” means every category of housing currently being gamed?

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:08:22

Wouldn’t a wise all-cash buyer offer less, now that mortgage-financed competition is substantially sidelined?

Government shutdown threatens housing market, mortgages

by Mark Garrison
Marketplace Morning Report for Monday, October 7, 2013
A ‘For Sale’ sign is posted in front of a house on November 27, 2012 in Los Angeles, California. According to the S&P/Case-Shiller Index, homes prices in November were up 0.6 percent from the previous month and 5.5 percent from the previous year.
Kevork Djansezian/Getty Images

Buying a home is hard enough these days, with mountains of paperwork and lenders enforcing tight standards. But it could get even worse during this month.

The government shutdown is hampering lots of different mortgage processing, and not just for Federal Housing Administration loans used by many first-time buyers with low or moderate income.

Limited staffing could potentially delay many FHA loans. But conventional loans could be slowed down as well, even for buyers with sparkling credit and orderly paperwork. With workers on furlough and some websites shut down, required IRS and Social Security verifications could be greatly delayed or impossible to get during the shutdown. Delays in financing hurt sellers and buyers alike.

“Some people aren’t in a position to wait around,” says housing economist Michael Carliner. “They’ve made other plans; they’ve sold their previous house; the lease has run out.”

That’s the position Matt Lipan and his family find themselves in. The Indianapolis family of four plans to apply for a mortgage Monday. On any other day, they would be feeling great, with their paperwork in order and buyers for their current home.

But with their loan application going in during the government shutdown, they now have additional anxiety. If unexpected delays mean they can’t close on their new home in time, they’ll have to depend on the buyers of their current home to be flexible on their existing closing date. If not, the Lipans will be looking for somewhere to sleep.

“If they really pressed it and said we need this closing date or we walk, then I think we would find ourselves really scrambling to figure out where the four of us would end up in the meantime,” Lipan says.

He adds that the buyers — paying all cash — have been easy to work with throughout the process. But he doesn’t want a government shutdown to complicate the situation.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:11:46

How much longer until the MSM points out the logical flaw in this rationale for currently buying?

US housing rebound likely to handle spike in rates
The Associated Press
Tuesday, Oct. 8, 2013 | midnight

When mortgage rates began climbing in May from rock-bottom lows, Kevin Williams worried he might miss out on an opportunity.

So he listed his home in Orange County, Calif., and planned to buy a bigger house in San Diego after it sold. The process took all summer. Last week, he and his wife locked in a mortgage.

The extra time added at least $1,000 more a year than if they had secured a loan in May. Still, Williams believes they made a prudent decision.

I don’t know what rates are going to be in four years,” he said. “I felt I had to act now before I was priced out.

Williams’ justification _ buy now or risk paying more later _ is why many brokers and analysts remain confident that the housing recovery can handle higher mortgage rates. While the jump in rates should test the strength of the recovery, analysts foresee stable sales increases over the next year for a number of reasons.

Fall is typically a sleepy time for sales and nationally signed contracts are starting to decline. Yet several brokers say buyer traffic remains strong in key markets like Los Angeles, the Washington metro area, Silicon Valley and Boston.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:46:34

Govt shutdown shuts off some expensive mortgages
Published: Monday, 7 Oct 2013 | 2:47 PM ET
By: Diana Olick | CNBC Real Estate Reporter

CNBC’s Diana Olick reports that 2 percent of the FHA’s staff is working. Many lenders are not moving ahead on jumbo mortgage loans as the government shutdown continues.

The second week of the government shutdown is giving consumers and lenders second thoughts about the housing market. Lenders last week were giving assurances that they would use “work-arounds” for tax documentation on mortgage applications, but now the future is not quite as clear.

“As the government shutdown continues, we’ll continue to evaluate the circumstances,” said Tom Goyda, a spokesman for Wells Fargo, the nation’s largest lender.

Goyda said Wells Fargo is following guidance from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which does not require IRS verification unless the borrower is financing multiple properties. If that is the case, the lender can close the deal without the verification but cannot deliver it to Fannie or Freddie without the IRS documents.

Jumbo loans (mortgages with values exceeding $417,000) are getting trickier, however. Some lenders will not do them at all without tax verification from the IRS. Others are delaying the process. They will all have to verify the tax information once the government opens again, and that’s a gamble. These loans are inherently riskier because most are held on bank balance sheets.

Wells Fargo is continuing to originate jumbo loans without tax document verification from the IRS. As for the risk it is taking on in doing so, Goyda said, “I can’t really speculate on that.”

“The industry is doing what it can to make the shutdown as seamless as possible, but some lenders are more conservative about it than others,” said Matthew Graham of Mortgage News Daily.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:50:21

What is the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s interest in Daytona Beach condos?

USDA Buyers Stuck in Limbo as Shutdown Hurts Housing
By Prashant Gopal & Kathleen M. Howley - Oct 8, 2013 7:04 AM PT

Jacob Smith, a 25-year-old Florida firefighter, wasn’t paying much attention to the U.S. government shutdown until it threw his move to a new three-bedroom home near Daytona Beach into limbo.

Smith was ready to complete the purchase Oct. 1, the day the closure began. Now he has to wait until the Department of Agriculture reopens its mortgage business. For now, Smith’s landlord is allowing him to stay in his one-bedroom rental, crammed with boxes and furniture meant for the larger property. His builder, Adams Homes of Gulf Breeze, Florida, said it has about 10 other customers on the east coast of the state with purchases also on hold.

“It’s pretty ridiculous,” Smith said. “It seems rare that what you see on the news is directly affecting you. Hopefully it will end soon.”

USDA loans account for about 132,000 mortgages a year in areas designated by the agency as rural, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. While they make up just 1.4 percent of the U.S. mortgage market, the product is one of the few available that allow zero-down payment loans and are an early warning of how the government’s first partial closing in 17 years could put a drag on the wider housing market.

“This is going to be devastating for people in the middle of getting USDA loans and for the communities that rely on the loans to support their housing markets,” said Camden Fine, president and chief executive officer of the Independent Community Bankers of America. “Everything has ground to a halt until the agency opens for business again.”

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:53:54

Since when was the USDA in the home lending business? And does anyone pretty much anywhere qualify?

Government shutdown stalls some federal home loans
John Henry, WBIR 12:30 a.m. EDT October 7, 2013
The shutdown has created problems for some East Tennesseans looking to get federal home loans.

(WBIR - North Knox County) The shutdown has created problems for some East Tennesseans looking to get federal home loans.

The disagreement in Washington disrupted the approval of certain federal home loans.

The Harter family in Gibbs, located in north Knox County, planned to officially gain control of their new house last Tuesday.

“We were waiting to close on a home loan and get the keys, so we were excited,” said Tammy Harter. “But, unfortunately that was delayed.”

The government shutdown went into effect the same day. The United States Department of Agriculture, which Harter planned to receive a loan from, could no longer help her.

“Frustration levels right now are very high,” she said.

It’s effectively left the Harters in limbo.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 13:00:16

Where did the crazed notion originate that housing price inflation is somehow more benign than other forms of inflation?

Oct. 1, 2013, 8:30 a.m. EDT
Housing is not about to chill out
Commentary: Taper failure, low inventory keep the market hopping
By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch

PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) — Reports of the nascent housing boom’s demise are greatly exaggerated.

Housing is the bright spot in an otherwise moribund economy. As a matter of fact, it is almost solely responsible for keeping the recovery from collapsing altogether.

Taking all its aspects together, from new-home construction to sales of home furnishings and appliances, housing is the country’s single largest industry.

Sales of new and existing homes are rising. Even more important, prices are soaring in an otherwise low-inflation environment.

At last look, home prices were 12.4% higher than this time last year. This was the largest annual increase since 2006, when the last housing boom was in full swing.

Further increases may well be in store. Home prices on average are still more than 20% their all-time highs, which were also set in 2006. That was when the housing bubble burst, sending home sales tumbling into the basement.

Some think that they see the beginnings of another downturn. Month-to-month prices have shrunk a tad. In addition, mortgage rates have jumped by a full percentage point since May, while job growth has slowed.

But the Federal Reserve’s failure to taper its bond purchases as the markets expected sent rates down a bit, thus reigniting demand. What’s driving the housing market nowadays is the widespread belief that all manner of interest rates are lower than they will be in a year. The same belief holds true for home prices.

At any rate, lending standards are more important than rates. What matters most to would-be home buyers is how big a down payment they have to shell out. Many banks have made it somewhat easier for people to get a housing loan.

Right now, inventories of new and existing homes are depleted. This, of course, is a byproduct of the increase in demand. Rising prices should coax some additional sellers into the market even as they bite into demand.

Another reason for the strength in the housing market is large-scale purchases by investors. These are people who have no intent to occupy these houses; rather, they plan to rent them. There is plenty of demand here, more than making up for the rise in rates and the difficulty many have in snaring well-paying jobs.

Comment by niner
2013-10-09 14:11:40

nice - you post a bunch of propaganda articles from MSM. It’s clear as day the message behind it all - “please government reopen - we need you!”

3 weeks ago we were going to war with Syria, now we’re in debt so bad the gov has to shut down - it’s political theater. None of this stuff is real. The Dem/Repub argument is pointless - there is no difference.

 
 
 
Comment by Jingle Male
2013-10-08 04:10:45

I don’t usually respond to Housing Analyst, because he is so bellicose and he really analyzes nothing, he just espouses dribble over and over, without citing in data to back it up. He always accuses me of lying, even though I have shown him countless times that investing in housing has been one of my best investments.

Yesterday, he accused me of lying about the cost to obtain a building permit in the community where I live. Below is a breakdown for the cost of the permit for this house in 2012:

2028 Prado Vista, Lincoln, CA 95648

Water Meter $38,000
School Impact Fee $17,000
Emregency Svcs Dept Fee $ 3,400
Sewer Connection Fees $ 5,400
Inspection Fees $ 2,800
Traffic Impact Fees $12,600
Miscellaneous Fees (10%) $ 7,920

Total Permits and Fees $87,120

Additionally, if you want to cut down an oak tree larger than 1.5 inches in diameter, it will cost $150/inch. So if you have a 10” oak tree in the way, there is another $1,500. If you have 100 oak trees and 10 of those need cutting (or three 33” oak trees) it will cost you another $15,000.

So there you have it. Once again, Housing Analyst has been schooled another 87,120 ways, but he will probably just say I am a liar and there are 50,000,000 vacant houses in the U.S., so don’t buy one! Dribble on H.A., that’s what your good at…..

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:14:09

Given macroeconomic risk of another severe leg down in home prices, isn’t this nickel and dime stuff a bit of a non-story compared to the potential magnitude of future leveraged losses?

Comment by Jingle Male
2013-10-08 04:39:38

Yes. It is all foolish.

However, it is not quite as foolish of paralysis of analysis on a local level, because of fear on a macroeconomic level.

In the end, we’re all dead?

Live a little. Get off the keyboard and out of all the financial publications and take a little risk. It may add to your life in many ways.

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:43:13

I can think of plenty of less expensive ways to take risk than to make leveraged bets on real estate at the point when the market faces outsized risk of another leg down in a once-in-a-generation correction.

To each his own!

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Comment by Jingle Male
2013-10-08 04:48:26

Fair enough.

 
Comment by azdude02
2013-10-08 06:18:23

that was a great example of the ridiculous fees being charged in CA. It is out of control.

 
Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 07:04:17

great example of the ridiculous fees being charged in CA ??

And Jingle is spot on…Its the same here….And Jingles example was for one house…Think about the fee’s for a major development…With that said, now think about where the money goes…It goes to the four guys standing around a hole in the street with three trucks and one shovel…

 
Comment by cactus
2013-10-08 09:24:20

that was a great example of the ridiculous fees being charged in CA. It is out of control.”

there will be more fees in the future - government is broke and needs money.

brave new world

 
Comment by rms
2013-10-08 10:06:58

“that was a great example of the ridiculous fees being charged in CA.”

In San Luis Obispo, CA the fees alone for a new construction 3/2 spec ranch cost more than I paid for my entire fly-over house. Insanity!

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 10:11:39

I can show you many lots in Arizona that aren’t worth the sewer assessments that are attached.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-10-08 04:27:24

Even for a $900K house, it hardly seems worth it to pay upwards of $90K in fees to commute 20 miles to Sac. Hate to say, but I can see why people are leaving California for Bend or Pahrump or Surprise. $90K would buy a fairly nice house in any one of a hundred Oil Cities in the East.

Why are some of the empty lots on that street $70-90K, and others $200K? I guess the $200K lots are permitted and ready-to-build?

Comment by Jingle Male
2013-10-08 04:34:45

Most of the lots sold in 2004-2005 for $300,000 to $500,000. Many of the FB’s walked away and the banks doing land loans (BofA, regional banks, WFB, etc.) foreclosed and resold at the bottom. The price fell to a low of about $50,000 in 2010 and has now rebounded to $150,000 to $250,000 depending on the lot. Some lots have a $15,000 credit for water fees, some lots have lots of trees ($150/inch to cut down), but none have prepaid permits.

The people who buy in this location generally do not commute very far to work. They own their own business, are retired or work within a 10 mile radius.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 04:55:09

Public Service Announcement

Beware of misrepresentations of the truth by the above poster.

$90k for a building permit is a flat out gross distortion of the truth. In fact in his very own county, anyone can pull a permit for $108. See for yourself

http://www.placer.ca.gov/~/media/cdr/BLD/AppFormsWP/BuildingFeeSchedule-Effective2-1-2013.pdf

We pull permits in all 50 states for projects in the tens millions of dollars and never is a permit in the thousands of dollars. EVER. And for a house? The notion is absurd.

There is an element out there (and it’s not contractors) who would want you to believe that building/constructing/erecting should be completely unaffordable. They use folksy language and flat out lies like “$90,000″ building permits when they themselves have never pulled a permit in their lives.

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Comment by azdude02
2013-10-08 06:30:31

it seems like these high fees really favor big corporations too. most people dont even have money for the fees.

I wonder if all these fees could be rolled into a construction loan?

Isn’t it discriminatory to not accept payments on the fees to build a home with 90k n fees? Basically you are telling a lot of people that u will never have a house here. what happened to equal opportunity?

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 08:56:46

They don’t exist.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 16:42:05

BIA meeting
One day I was sitting in a BIA (Building Industry Association) meeting and they were discussing Mello Roos and other pass thru taxes, fees, etc… The amount of costs passed to the joe public blew my mind. This was during the bubble peak. My REIT employer sent me to the meeting. We owned the shopping centers.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-10-08 09:26:04

The people who buy in this location generally do not commute very far to work. They own their own business, are retired or work within a 10 mile radius.’

Folsom Ca ?

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 07:28:35

‘I can see why people are leaving California’

Yeah, taxes are high in Massachusetts. Please let me pay $500k for a Boston condo!

 
Comment by mathguy
2013-10-08 11:30:26

38k water connection fee? Seems more like this might involve actually digging and laying water line to get to the lot. Or it is a way of recovering the sunk cost of the line already being installed. In any case, that is one fee i would surely look into more as it represents half the entire fee cost alone. It would be stupid to be the one to subsidize the rest of a new neighborhood by paying the entire cost of laying in water line by yourself.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 15:42:10

It’s for a sub-division and yes, it’s for the actual work.

No lie is too tall for our blog liars.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 18:03:20

“Public Facility Element Fee Funds were established to collect money through the building permit process to fund new infrastructure projects, public facilities, and parks. These facilities were necessary to provide service to the thousands of new residents.”

It’s not for the work within the subdivision, it’s for infrastructure related to a growing City.

If you look at the City’s budget (page 1), you’ll notice that they move line items around (transfers they call them). This is a slush fund, not for specific work related to the subdivision, but a part of the City’s overall budget.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 18:28:26

And it applies to developers..

I’m LMAO that you just can’t bring yourself to admit the truth. You really are bad news my friend.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 22:26:04

Are you telling me that there are no permit fees for regular Joe’s?

There are these fees for ADDITIONAL SUPPLY of housing, where yes, the vast majority is built by large developers.

Aren’t those the very people who you say can add supply very cheaply?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-09 05:08:35

The charge for water is for work, not a fee.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 04:53:35

When you can’t even get the word drivel correct, we’re suppose to believe that installation of a $200 Neptune meter is $38k?

You’re not fooling anyone here.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 09:09:47

You can put in the water meter for very little money, sure, but to get city water to flow through that meter is a different story entirely.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 09:18:59

That’s what the meter is there for…… To METER flow.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 09:31:31

Here is the fee sheet for the City of Lincoln:

http://www.ci.lincoln.ca.us/pagedownloads/2013%20August%209%20RESIDENTIAL%20FEES%20MOST%20CURRENT.pdf

Note at the bottom, that a single family home is not necessarily 1 EDU when it comes to calculating fees.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 09:41:32

That’s for THE WORK. Not a building permit. You’d have paid a contractor for it too.

Knock it off liar.

 
Comment by mathguy
2013-10-08 11:33:34

Interesting to note, the city’s guidance on price per square foot for wooden building valuation calculation is $107/sq ft…

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 12:21:28

In order to tax.

Imagine that.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 12:31:14

“CITY OF LINCOLN
RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMIT FEES”

How is their “Traffic Mitigation” fee of $3.4k for “The Work”?

What about “Community Services” cost of $7.2k?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 12:33:05

Look at Liar duck and weave.

WATER service Liar.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 13:20:15

Nice duck/weave. You didn’t answer my question. What are you paying the City to do with the “Traffic Mitigation” that you could hire a contractor to do instead?

When a City grows, it needs to grow/improve its services (expand water system, expand sewer treatment plants, build more parks, hire more police officers, build new fire stations, etc.). To do that, it needs money.

In most states, that money comes from property taxes.

However, in CA, property taxes are limited to 1% of value, and can’t go up by more than 2% per year, so over time, local governments are under more and more stress. So, enter the fees. The Cities use fees to offset the revenue that they CAN’T get through traditional property taxes in order to be able to invest in infrastructure needed with increased population. These fees are needed for:

The Water System, Sewer System, Community Services (fire, police, etc.), Traffic Mitigation measures (new traffic signals, etc.) all need $ in order to keep up with increasing population. Fees are how the City gets the money.

And yes, you can offset these fees if you want to hire a contractor directly to complete some City improvements.

But it’s not for building the house (or any part of the house).

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 15:40:43

“Traffic Mitigation” is for a sub divisions Liar. You know….. turning lanes, mountable curbs and the rest of that stuff you pretend to know something of.

You are a bonafide BS’er and liar.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 16:54:35

LOL

So the Traffic Mitigation Fee is for curbs internal to the subdivision (among other things)?

And the city is willing to do your construction work for you for a fixed fee per home, regardless of where the subdivision is located within the City, and it’s particular traffic challenges–and advertise it’s willingness to do publicly?

How many cities do you know that are willing to complete construction work for private citizens on a fixed price basis (or any basis, for that matter)?

What about “Community Service”? I’m really curious to see what BS you come up with for that particular line item.

And boy oh boy, I’m really interested in your explanation as to why the water hookup fee is thousands of dollars, when the work can be done for only a few hundred bucks. If the reason for the fee was truly to have the City install a meter for you, no one in their right mind would ever pay thousands of dollars for a few hundred dollar’s work. And therefore, the fee wouldn’t even exist on their schedule, because NO ONE would ever pay it. The very existence of the fee makes your theory fall flat on it’s face.

I’ll shortly post a link the Lincoln’s budget, and you’ll see why these fees are so important to the City’s operation. They receive about $5MM from Property taxes annually, but they spend twice that.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 16:57:15

READ Liar…

Traffic Mitigation is for sub-divisions and developments.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 17:15:58

http://www.ci.lincoln.ca.us/pagedownloads/12-13%20Adopted%20Budget.pdf

See page VIII: The reason for the building permit fees is clear as day:

“Public Facility Element Fee Funds were established to collect money through the building permit process to fund new infrastructure projects, public facilities, and parks. These facilities were necessary to provide service to the thousands of new residents.”

In other words, in order to provide services to a larger population, they needed money to expand infrastructure. In order to do that, they started to levy fees on people when they went to pull building permits.

It then goes on to lament that with the reduction in development, this fee revenue decreased.

Then note on page 1 where the PFE funds come into play:

Water
Waste Water (sewer)
Community Services (various types)
Transportation (traffic mitigation)
Drainage

Notice how you can match up the PFE items on the budget with the Fee Schedule?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 18:07:57

You’re looking desperate Liar.

http://www.ci.lincoln.ca.us/pagedownloads/2013%20August%209%20RESIDENTIAL%20PERMIT%20FEES%20Verdera%20MOST%20CURRENT.pdf

You don’t know what you’re talking about…. as usual.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 20:15:43

Regarding the Traffic Impact Fee:

Municipal Code 18.91.01 from the City of Lincoln:

“The city council further finds and determines that a traffic impact mitigation fee is necessary to mitigate the adverse impact of new development on traffic within the city”

18.91.050

“Any fees collected under this chapter shall be committed within five years after the payment of such fees or the issuance of building permit(s)…If such fees are not committed within this five-year period, the fees shall be returned to the applicant.”

These is NOT money for stuff within the subdivision…or else it would need to be committed immediately to work on the subdivision, not within 5 years.

And the Public Facilities Fee

18.99.010

“In order to implement the goals and objectives of the Lincoln public facilities plan and to mitigate the anticipated growth caused by new development in the Lincoln area, certain public facilities such as roads and community facilities must be constructed. The city council has determined that a public facilities fee is needed in order to finance these public improvements and to pay for the development’s fair share of the construction costs of these improvements.”

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-09 04:52:16

……. paid by developers for tract housing.

Run Liar run!

 
 
Comment by Steadykat
2013-10-08 15:24:06

Wholesale on a 3/4 water meter is around $350.00. I think that you are failing to note the impact fees associated with the actual connection.

In Washington County (Utah) the impact fee is about $5800.00 for a 3/4 residential meter install on new construction. In my Town there is an additional $5000.00 fee for the water share and another $1500.00 for the connection fee.

The meter is in place at the street (only) and it is the job of the construction company to get the water line to the house and it doesn’t matter if the house is in the $90,000.00 range or nearer to $500,000.00 the impact fees (for water) are the same.

I can imagine the price being much higher in SoCal for such a thing, being a former resident from there.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 15:49:20

“In my Town there is an additional $5000.00 fee for the water share and another $1500.00 for the connection fee.”

Which you would pay for no matter who does the work. But make no mistake about it…. this is not a “fee” as our blog liars want everyone to believe.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-10-08 06:21:53

Bigger and bigger government with higher and higher taxes/fees and more and more regulations = Civility

Comment by Taxpayers
2013-10-08 06:56:33

teacher unions always use that line
taxes = civilization
think soviet union, those boys knew how to tax

Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 08:37:08

Yeah, taxes are high in Massachusetts. Please let me pay $500k for a Boston condo!

teacher unions always use that line
taxes = civilization

Boston school bus drivers on a “wildcat” strike today. They have a contract, they just want more… who pays the more?

I sends our kids to a private parochial school and we drop them off and extended family picks them up. No public unions, no tax dollars. Talk to some of these moonbats here in MA though, and the public system can do no wrong. “MA public have the highest achievement scores in the nation and are a model for public schools everywhere”… that sort of drivel. And of course, “It’s for the children”.

Then some international non-profit comes along and tests various countries for Math/Reading/Problem Solving (see NPR today) and we rate below average… LOLZ.

Set the bar low enough and everyone can be an overachiever, but it’s just a money problem. We just need MOAR MONEY.

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Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 08:47:49

Set the bar low enough and everyone can be an overachiever ??

+1….

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 14:59:36

I once questioned the need to have an 8th grade graduation (or 6th grade, or kindergarten, etc.). One answer I got was “that may be the only graduation the kid gets” (ie. they won’t finish 8th grade, or high school).

Some parents feel that is a perfectly fine response…make sure the kid gets at least one party.

My gut reaction is exactly the opposite. If you celebrate mediocrity, then mediocrity is what you get. Let’s set the bar a bit higher…let’s celebrate REAL accomplishment…please?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 08:23:45

“an oak tree … it will cost you another $15,000.”

I call BS on the fraudster. Google El Dorado County Oak canopy fees and you will find that the hefty fees for deforestation ($4,700 per acre) can be avoided by replanting.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 08:34:12

Its laughable…..

People will lie to themselves and everyone else rather than admit they’ve been ripped off.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 08:50:41

But doesn’t “deforestation” carry a different definition than removing a number of trees in an area zoned residential?

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 09:12:49

According to the county they go by % canopy cover removed when “developing” a lot.

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Comment by Salinasron
2013-10-08 09:33:51

I think it depends if removal is on part of your property that has a scenic easement designation.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 09:11:19

And how much does it cost to replant an acre (time, labor and materials)?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 09:21:08

How many trees? or are you gonna wing it with another $90k bullish*t number.

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Comment by cactus
2013-10-08 09:31:16

Cutting down trees in CA can get you killed

A Los Angeles man who got into legal trouble for cutting down more than 300 trees on his Ojai Valley property in 2001 was shot and killed by his brother last week, police said.

William Kaddis, 63, had an argument July 16 with his younger brother, Edward Kaddis, 61, which ended with Edward fatally shooting William in the head, according to the Los Angles Police Department.

After a more than six-hour standoff, police tossed tear gas into the Wilshire area home and Edward Kaddis surrendered. He was later charged with murder. William Kaddis died at a hospital that night.

William Kaddis made headlines in 2001 when 301 oak trees on his property near Lake Casitas were cut down without the proper permission, the worst-ever violation of a Ventura County tree-protection ordinance established in 1992. Kaddis, an Egyptian-American, initially denied he had the oaks removed, claiming he was the victim of racial discrimination.

But during a long court process, a judge in 2003 described him as “the neighbor from hell” and ordered him to pay $500,000 in restitution. The court ordered the money to go to the Ojai Valley Land Conservancy, which would use it to rehabilitate land in the area. Kaddis also was found guilty of other violations, including having an illegal kennel with more than 60 dogs.

A year later, after a series of appeals, he was sentenced to 255 days in jail for the crime and for not paying his fine.

Kaddis paid about $300,000 of the fine in recent years, said Fred Fox, the conservancy’s executive director. Some payments were $5,000, but recent ones were as large as $10,000, plus interest to make up for back payments.

The money was put into a special fund designated for rehabilitation work at the Ojai Meadow Preserve, an old livestock grazing area being restored into a wetland.

Fox said his lawyer told him criminal fines are no longer valid after someone’s death, but that it’s possible to convert the criminal fines into civil ones. The estate would then have to pay the outstanding fines. Fox said he’s in the process of filing that paperwork now.

Meanwhile, Los Angeles police are still trying to piece together what happened in the moments before Kaddis was shot.

Sgt. Ruby Malachi said Kaddis approached the house in the 1000 block of Crenshaw Boulevard with a housekeeper and her 15-year-old son. Although his brother was living there, Kaddis owned the property. Kaddis and his brother got into some kind of an argument, possibly over whether the house would be cleaned, Malachi said.

As Kaddis and the housekeeper were leaving, the brother called him on his cell phone and Kaddis returned to the house. The housekeeper said she then heard a series of gunshots, one that whizzed by her. Police said the brother fired a number of shots through a door, two of which struck Kaddis.

Police arrived and took Kaddis to the hospital, but his brother barricaded himself inside. Several street blocks were shut down and evacuated as a SWAT team tried to get the brother out of the home. Around midnight, he came out after tear gas was fired into the house. The Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office later charged him with murder.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 14:55:04

Does it matter?

Anything over $0 simply proves that you can’t get out of some cost associated with removing trees from your own property.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 16:53:25

That’s why we didn’t buy a home we liked in Thousand Oaks. The amount of red tape and cost associated w/an Oak Tree was insane. The tree was a fire hazard.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 17:12:09

The tree was a fire hazard.

Yes, but Thousand Oaks sounds way better than 999 Oaks!

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 17:24:25

I hear your pain inch…we have a number of trees on our property. A couple of big oaks. One is quite large, and so far doing very well. Adds a lot of shade in the backyard…I really like that tree a lot.

The other is also pretty big, but not doing so well. I am currently having it fertilized, but may ultimately need to have it removed. I need to make sure to jump through all the right hoops though…a $5,000 fine will be waiting for me if I cut it down without City permission!

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 19:47:59

Rental Watch
Thousand Oaks is a high penalty area as well. Tree inspector, and so forth. Loved the property, but I was in no mood to deal with the city.

Caution: Make sure if you need a tree trimmer to make sure he doesn’t break neighbor’s windows as tree debris flies. We had quite an issue w/ our huge tree removal. Luckily, the 12 year old on the computer next store wasn’t hit as the window broke and sh*t was flying. Not a happy scene. We took down some Japanese monster pine that should have been in a forest. The tree covered the house and was on top of the roof. Our insurance co said it had to go. What a nightmare!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 09:39:25

Uh oh…. Got caught misrepresenting the truth again.

http://www.ci.lincoln.ca.us/pagedownloads/2013%20August%209%20RESIDENTIAL%20PERMIT%20FEES%20Verdera%20MOST%20CURRENT.pdf

The “fees” that JingleBalls is referring to has nothing to do with a building permit. They are fees for actual work. In other words, you’re not paying a contractor to do the work, you’re paying the municipality to do what you would have paid the contractor. STRIKE 1

And if you’re willing to look at the fine print, the municipality will waive the fee entirely if you opt to pay the contractor to do the work. These are not “fees”. STRIKE 2

So you see….. most here who claim these wild numbers really have no idea and there is a reason why……. They never built a thing in their life. STRIKE 3

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 12:59:54

LOL

Are you referring to the star and comment that “Developer credit may be applicable”?

Look at the line items that are applicable for reduction with a “developer credit”.

How do you hire your contractor to do your “Community Service” or “Traffic Mitigation”?

Answer: The developer of the subdivision agrees to pay for the construction of a traffic light nearby, or part of a new fire house, or a new sewer lift station, or contributes to a pool of money to upgrade the water system, you build a park, etc.

The way you get out of these fees (ie. to get a developer credit) is to spend money on something else for the City.

So as the developer, you either need to:

a) Pay the sewer connection fee; or
b) Pay money to upgrade some part of the City sewer system to eliminate your development’s impact on the City’s sewer system

a) Pay the “Community Service” fee; or
b) Pay money to upgrade something in the City’s infrastructure so you will offset the impact your development will have on the City Services.

etc.

The concept is simple:

Adding more people to a municipality strains its infrastructure and services. Since Cities in CA get so little from property taxes, they need to get the money elsewhere to offset these strains from added population.

So, to reduce the strain on the City infrastructure and services, you can either pay a fee (and the City will spend that money on City projects–among other things), or spend money elsewhere to directly offset the added strain your development will have on the City.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 15:46:04

For sub-divisions Liar. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 17:21:08

From the City of Lincoln’s budget (link posted up above–probably yet to clear monitoring), page VIII:

“Public Facility Element Fee Funds were established to collect money through the building permit process to fund new infrastructure projects, public facilities, and parks. These facilities were necessary to provide service to the thousands of new residents.”

The fees are NOT for doing work for your individual home. The fees are collected to fund new infrastructure projects, public facilities, and parks.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 17:32:01

“The fees are NOT for doing work for your individual home.”

No… you don’t say huh liar????

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 17:57:52

You can’t keep your story straight.

The bottom line is this:

The City raises money via building permit fees so that they can expand infrastructure (drainage, sewer and water systems, public facilities, public roadways, etc.).

The only way you can get out of these fees (which add up to tens of thousands of dollars per new home built) is to pre-arrange something with the City where you do some of that public infrastructure work yourself, and you get to offset the value of that infrastructure work against the fees that you would otherwise need to pay.

This is NOT money that you would necessarily need to pay anyway–the fee could easily be for a project that is planned into the future.

Make no mistake about it, these are additional costs levied on anyone wishing to build a home in the City (whether you pay the fee, or arrange to have some work done for the City).

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:34:05

Is it legal for private parties to plan a deliberate shutdown of government for personal gain?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:35:54

Op-Ed Columnist
The Boehner Bunglers
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: October 6, 2013

The federal government is shut down, we’re about to hit the debt ceiling (with disastrous economic consequences), and no resolution is in sight. How did this happen?

The main answer, which only the most pathologically “balanced” reporting can deny, is the radicalization of the Republican Party. As Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein put it last year in their book, “It’s Even Worse Than It Looks,” the G.O.P. has become “an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”

But there’s one more important piece of the story. Conservative leaders are indeed ideologically extreme, but they’re also deeply incompetent. So much so, in fact, that the Dunning-Kruger effect — the truly incompetent can’t even recognize their own incompetence — reigns supreme.

To see what I’m talking about, consider the report in Sunday’s Times about the origins of the current crisis. Early this year, it turns out, some of the usual suspects — the Koch brothers, the political arm of the Heritage Foundation and others — plotted strategy in the wake of Republican electoral defeat. Did they talk about rethinking ideas that voters had soundly rejected? No, they talked extortion, insisting that the threat of a shutdown would induce President Obama to abandon health reform.

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:05:44

“No, they talked extortion, insisting that the threat of a shutdown would induce President Obama to abandon health reform.”

Who’d've thunk st00pid would fail yet again?

Comment by Middle Coaster
2013-10-08 08:47:19

Why are the uber-wealthy Koch brothers so opposed to health care for the unwashed masses? Really, what’s it to them? Or is it code for “we’re so racis that we don’t want the gubmint to pay for anything that will benefit poor colored folk”?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-10-08 09:27:38

Or is it code for “we’re so racist that we don’t want the gubmint to pay for anything that will benefit poor colored folk”?

Yup!

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 09:38:26

I don’t think it’s racism. I think it’s the tension between those who want us closer to slavery versus those trying to avoid it. The more desperate you can keep the lower classes, the easier it is to get them to put the chains on in return for a bit of food and clothing and shelter and some pain meds before they die.

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-10-08 15:22:54

They want people chained to low-paying jobs out of fear of losing health benefits. Once that’s not an issue, the corporate slavedrivers lose control.

 
Comment by localandlord
2013-10-08 18:02:09

“They want people chained to low-paying jobs out of fear of losing health benefits. Once that’s not an issue, the corporate slavedrivers lose control.”

That’s true , but I ‘m not sure the Koch bros are able to think that through. My guess is they own a health insurance company.

 
 
 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 04:47:51

OK, ya lost me here. Who are you referring to?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 04:51:08

It was just a hypothetical. I didn’t mean to suggest anyone would do anything so egregious, under cover of a propaganda campaign to lead the gullible into believing it was somebody else’s fault.

Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 05:00:26

I think it was the use of the term “private parties” that threw me.

Pat Buchanan has a pretty good article about the shutdown on Takimag.

http://takimag.com/article/is_the_conflict_between_us_irreconcilable_patrick_buchanan#axzz2h5U9W2ey

Some excerpts that illustrate what you’re saying:

“Is the Tea Party responsible for this gathering disaster?

Was the Tea Party beating the drums for those trillion-dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is the Tea Party responsible for our being committed to fighting other countries’ wars and paying other countries’ bills, in perpetuity, through foreign aid?

When the Tea Party says the Fed’s QE3 amounts to printing money and inflating the currency, that it is creating stock market and real estate bubbles certain to burst, and that the dollar’s future as the world’s reserve currency is imperiled, do they not have a point?

These same views are today being echoed by economists and writers, few of whom are ever likely to show up wearing side arms at God and Country Rallies.

And just where did our community-organizer president learn his economics. From Saul Alinksy’s “Rules for Radicals”? From his senate days in Springfield, capital of the state that is the odds-on favorite to be first in the nation to default on its debts?

The Tea Party is feared and detested in Washington because these folks threaten the ideology, the vested interests, and most critical of all, the rice bowls in this city that voted 15-1 for Obama.”

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Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 08:49:19

This is how our government works. It’s how it was set up by our founders. I tried to explain that to the moonbats yesterday, but obviously to no avail.

It only takes a majority in one half of the legislative body, which is one third of the government charged with the creation, passing, and dispute resolution of the laws of the nation. Sorry folks, you don’t have a “mandate” and the unruly mob doesn’t make the rules.

Checks and balances. And right now, those 30-50 Tea Party Republicans in the House are checking Obama and the Democrats socialism and government power grab. Look on the bright side: at least all this Government shutdown and Debt Ceiling debate is covering up all the unconstitutional NSA spying scandals. Am I right?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 09:17:39

This is how our government works.

No. You are ignorant to your own government’s purpose and country’s history. Here….learn something about America and the reason for the Constitution. Check out The Federalist Paper No. 10 down below. It blows your “reasoning” out of the water.

“The Constitution divides power, embraces federalism and provides checks and balances to moderate the people in government, to ensure that radical swings instigated by a small group do not destabilize the entire country.”

Republicans fighting back against the tea party

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/10/07/republicans-fighting-back-against-the-tea-party/

….Radicalism has always been an anathema to the large majority of Americans, and unlike the tea party group, their opponents don’t suffer from right-wing “bubble-wrap syndrome.” They deal with people of opposing views and objectives all the time in the world beyond Washington. They understand that all joint human endeavor requires compromise, conciliation and, yes, moderation.

Republicans in business, in their community and in their families are especially dependent on predictable, sane and, even, occasionally helpful government. They want that government to run better; they don’t want to throw sand in the wheels so the entire thing comes to a screeching halt. Unlike talk-show hosts, those whose livelihood intersects with courts, agencies and a variety of government officials and services do not relish when the government ceases to function. They rightly regard the shutdown as a total failure of governance.

The Constitution divides power, embraces federalism and provides checks and balances to moderate the people in government, to ensure that radical swings instigated by a small group do not destabilize the entire country.

The latter is, in large part, the rationale for the constitutional structure we have, as Federalist Paper No. 10 noted on the topic of factions:

A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. . . .

To secure the public good and private rights against the danger of such a faction, and at the same time to preserve the spirit and the form of popular government, is then the great object to which our inquiries are directed.

The Founders understood all too well the excitability and rashness of small groups (hmm, like the all-or-nothing tea party of the 21st-century variety?):

The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State.

Again, the anti-tea party Republicans don’t go around quoting the Federalist Papers, but they understand that our system abhors extremism, is designed to require cooperation and has institutions specifically designed (e.g. the Senate) to prevent radicals fueled by the passions of the day from taking the country on a joy ride.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 09:26:09

‘Republicans fighting back against the tea party’

That’s right. And you stand squarely with Karl Rove and John McCain.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 09:43:58

our system abhors extremism, is designed to require cooperation and has institutions specifically designed (e.g. the Senate) to prevent radicals fueled by the passions of the day from taking the country on a joy ride.

And how does the above comment jive with what I have posted? It jives, baby, it jives.

Our system of government does require cooperation, and given Obama won’t negotiate, I guess the system is working…

As to the rest, to Tea Party types like me, Obama and the Democrats are the radicals, pushing an extremist agenda of socialism on our society.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 09:44:51

And you stand squarely with Karl Rove and John McCain.

Why would I not on this issue? Because they are Repubs or a$$ho!es? I not supposed to differentiate issues and subjects because of my politics? No. Not at all.

On the issue of The Tea Party extremists damaging their own party and country, I stand squarely with Rove and McCain.

I also quote moderate Republicans on the subject.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 09:58:20

And how does the above comment jive with what I have posted? It jives, baby, it jives.

It does not jive. Here’s why.

Read it again:

our system abhors extremism, is designed to require cooperation and has institutions specifically designed (e.g. the Senate) to prevent radicals fueled by the passions of the day from taking the country on a joy ride.

In short: Our system prevents extremists from hijacking the system.

Obama’s not hijacking the system. ACA was passed by the system. How is the following hijacking the system?
1. ACA was campaigned on twice and Obama won twice. Obama is one of only a handful of presidents in American history to garner over 50% of the vote TWICE.
2. ACA was passed by the House and Senate, Signed by the president and confirmed by the SCOTUS.

However minority Tea Party wing of the Repubs have not only hijacked their Party, they have hijacked the system above just to get their way. (Which they won’t get) They are dumb.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 10:06:36

Let’s re-phrase it:

‘you stand squarely with a$$ho!es Karl Rove and John McCain’

‘Why would I not?’

Why indeed.

I love it when the pigeons leave their holes. Earlier somebody posted a link from an Occupy protest with a banner that said ‘Debt is Slavery’.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/David_Crosby_Graham_Nash_Occupy_Wall_Street_2011_Shankbone.JPG

Is it wrong to oppose more and more debt?

Look, some miraculous things are happening. Recently the President announced he was planning to bomb Syria. The people stood up and said no. He backed off that pretty quick. Can anyone remember that happening in modern history? It happened in the UK too. For the first time since the 1700’s!

IMO what we are seeing is a tearing down of the old guard. That’s what the Occupy movement was, that’s what the Tea Party is. (Notice how the establishment worked hard to divide the TP and OWS). Both saying Debt is Slavery. We need people to call BS every once in a while. We need diversity of opinion and thought. And what we are seeing overall is a different set of consensus’ being drawn. It’s coming from the people, not from our “leaders” with their tired ideologies and failed economic system.

Viva la Revolucion!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 10:19:53

Let’s re-phrase it:

Let’s

On the issue of The Tea Party extremists damaging their own party and country, I stand squarely with Republican a$$ho!es Rove and McCain.

Is it wrong to oppose more and more debt?

No, but “oppose” and hijacking the system to the point of default threat are two different things.

Besides:

Fact Check: Repealing Obamacare adds to deficit…. VERDICT: True. cnn dot com fact check

FACTS:
In May, 2013 the Congressional Budget Office wrote House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis, stating, that it and the Joint Committee on Taxation “most recently estimated the budgetary impact of repealing the [Affordable Care Act] in July 2012. In a letter to Speaker Boehner (sent on July 24, 2012), CBO described the direct spending and revenue effects of H.R. 6079, the Repeal of Obamacare Act, as passed by the House of Representatives earlier in July. In that letter, CBO indicated that the net savings from eliminating the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA would be more than offset by the combination of other spending increases and revenue reductions that repeal of the ACA would entail. On balance, CBO and JCT estimated, repealing the ACA would affect direct spending and revenues in ways resulting in a net increase in budget deficits of $109 billion over the 2013-2022 period.”

The ACA law as written requires a lot of money to be shelled out over the next 10 years - $1.4 trillion. But it also raises tax revenue and the hope is that it will help cut health care costs.

As a result, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the law as a whole would reduce deficits.

VERDICT: True.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 10:28:19

Look, some miraculous things are happening. Recently the President announced he was planning to bomb Syria. The people stood up and said no.

There are miraculous things happening in some areas. Even some Brazilians are protesting government corruption etc. (Too bad a few radicals are resorting to violence though)

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 10:33:30

VERDICT: even the web page doesn’t work.

‘hijacking the system to the point of default threat’

But it’s constitutional. It’s legal. Didn’t you say that was all that mattered? Anyway, keep using words like hijacking. It’s funny.

 
Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 10:39:52

are checking Obama and the Democrats socialism and government power grab ??

Well, how is it that they came to power ?? Did the electorate get sick of the republicans represented by Bush & Cheney ?? Did the centrists-right move to the left in the voting booth “twice” ?

The republican party only has themselves to blame…They all embraced Bush & Cheney…Embraced the dogma & ideology…Your either with us or your with the terrorists…Then we must put up with the offering of Sarah Palin..Nobody in the republican party called them out on their Hypocrisy because they were afraid…

You reap what you sow..

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 10:44:46

Independents outnumber Democrats and Republicans.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:46:25

“Independents outnumber Democrats and Republicans.”

It’s comforting to know you are with the majority.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 10:50:54

keep using words like hijacking. It’s funny.

Sometimes reality is not funny. I’m not just making this stuff up. I’m not making up these expressions and public opinion. This is cold hard reality.

Google searchs:

“tea party extremists” 1,380,000 results

“liberal extremists” 15,200 results
“Democratic extremists” 12,000 results
“Democrat extremists” 14,300 results

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 10:53:25

“hyperbole” 4,780,000 results

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 11:00:16

“housing bubble” About 43,400,000 results (0.19 seconds)

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 11:11:24

“LIAR” 53,800,000 results

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 11:14:29

“housing bubble” About 43,400,000

Not quite:

“Housing Bubble” 2,490,000 results
Housing bubble (without parentheses) 51,200,000 results

When you put the phrases in parentheses it shows when the exact quote is used.
When you don’t parentheses the phrase, it just looks for those words used in the articles.

These are the results of searching for the exact quote.
“tea party extremists” 1,380,000 results
“liberal extremists” 15,200 results
“Democratic extremists” 12,000 results

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 11:22:55

“LIAR” 53,800,000 results

mental illness - 138,000,000 results

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 11:31:42

ACA was passed by the system.

As the merry-go-round goes round and round. We covered this yesterday and maybe the day before. The ACA passed along party lines with no Republicans supporting it.

During the last election, the Democrats lost the House of Representatives. Given that is the house of the commons, it’s amusing to me that the rebuke given the Democrats still hasn’t sunk in. The House is doing exactly what it was designed to do… counter the BS coming from the Senate and the Executive Branch.

AB = AC = BC… get it? It’s a triangle, man. Whether you substitute the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches or the Executive branch, Senate, and House. Like I said, our founders were learned men…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 11:41:16

The ACA passed along party lines with no Republicans supporting it.

That is irrelevant to its Constitutional legality. The US Constitution: Read it.

The House is doing exactly what it was designed to do… counter the BS coming from the Senate and the Executive Branch AND THEIR OWN HOUSE OF REPS in 2010?

You are one confused dude.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 12:13:57

The House is doing exactly what it was designed to do… counter the BS coming from the Senate and the Executive Branch AND THEIR OWN HOUSE OF REPS in 2010?

Select reading much? You omitted this entirely:
“During the last election, the Democrats lost the House of Representatives. Given that is the house of the commons, it’s amusing to me that the rebuke given the Democrats still hasn’t sunk in. The House is doing exactly what it was designed to do… counter the BS coming from the Senate and the Executive Branch.”

The Dems lost the House in the election after Obamacare passed. Get it? A referendum on Democratic idiocy. Idiocy that passed on party lines.

Don’t believe it’s idiocy? Here’s the Healthcare.gov facebook page. It’s gold, Jerry. Pure gold! Seriously, check out the posts… probably running 10 to 1 against as people realize they are getting shafted, hard.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 12:20:17

tick.tock.tick.tock.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 12:24:55

“mental illness” About 18,000,000 results (0.27 seconds)

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 12:34:45

I know, I know, no Obamacare posts. Just have to pass this last bit on.

Do you want to see the equivalent of the Arab Spring start in the US? Just go to the Facebook link for healthcare.gov I posted above. Read the posts.

The anger, the disappointment, the despair is palpable as people have their existing insurance dropped and their premiums skyrocket for ACA-compliant plans. Or don’t qualify for subsidies and are forced to pay a tax for not being able to afford insurance.

LOLZ. Reap the whirlwind…

I’ll just leave this here.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-10-08 13:10:17

During the last election, the Democrats lost the House of Representatives. Given that is the house of the commons, it’s amusing to me that the rebuke given the Democrats still hasn’t sunk in.

It’s not a point of earth-shattering importance, but Democratic House candidates received more votes than Republican candidates last year. The Republicans won more seats. Coupled with Obama’s victory over Romney, you can see why the Democrats might not consider themselves to be rebuked by the population.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 13:21:34

Coupled with Obama’s victory over Romney, you can see why the Democrats might not consider themselves to be rebuked by the population.

I don’t disagree. My issue has been with the idea of a “mandate”. The Tea Party Republicans in the House were the response…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 13:23:44

The Dems lost the House in the election after Obamacare passed. Get it?

You don’t get it because it’s against your “religion” It’s OK, most Americans get it. You are the outlier. You are the fringe minority.

Democratic House candidates received more votes than Republican candidates last year. ….Coupled with Obama’s victory over Romney, you can see why the Democrats might not consider themselves to be rebuked by the population.

Bingo. And Obama won twice running on Obamacare - the first President since Reagan winning over 50% of the vote twice. The Repubs are being leg by extremists. They will lose this fight.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 13:25:43

The Tea Party Republicans in the House were the response…

To bad meds? lol

 
Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 13:48:45

Independents outnumber Democrats and Republicans ??

Of which I am one….

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 14:48:15

sheep

123,000,000 hits

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 15:03:47

The ACA passed along party lines with no Republicans supporting it.

And yet, I can’t rectify this in my mind given where the ideas behind the ACA came from. Sorry, I don’t credit “Republicans” with opposing it. More political theater, IMO.

 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2013-10-08 05:39:29

Congress is 100% protected from any prosecution or liability for torts for the actions they take while doing their jobs. Even if you could prove that a group of them were conspiring to damage your business in particular, they have no liability.

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 05:41:25

That sounds more powerful than even the President.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 05:57:38

Where did this guy mess up?

Dan Rostenkowski, Lawmaker, Is Dead at 82
By KEITH SCHNEIDER
Published: August 11, 2010

Dan Rostenkowski, who mastered the craft of brokering and compromise to become one of the nation’s most influential congressmen but whose imprisonment on fraud charges came to symbolize the excesses of power, died Wednesday at his vacation home on Benedict Lake in Wisconsin. He was 82 and also lived in Chicago, in the house where he grew up.

His longtime spokesman, Jim Jaffe, confirmed the death, saying Mr. Rostenkowski had been treated for lung cancer for some time. In the 1990s he was treated for prostate cancer.

Mr. Rostenkowski, the son of a ward heeler and alderman from Chicago, was reared by the Cook County Democratic political machine under its longtime leader, Mayor Richard J. Daley, and won a seat in the Illinois legislature almost right out of college. First elected to the House of Representatives in 1958 at the age of 30, he was its youngest member for many years.

From the start, the plainspoken Mr. Rostenkowski showed a knack for deal-making, often with his Republican colleagues, and it helped him land a coveted seat on the House Ways and Means Committee, the powerful tax-writing panel, in 1961. He served on the committee for most of his 36 years in Congress, 13 of them as its chairman, from 1981 to 1994, and was a central figure in shaping Congressional tax policy.

As a young lawmaker, Mr. Rostenkowski helped write the legislation that created Medicare in 1966. As the committee’s chairman, he helped fashion laws on taxes, trade and welfare. In 1983, he brokered the deal that led to the passage of a bill that kept the Social Security system solvent.

“During that period, my daughters said there’s not going to be a Social Security system for them — that it’s going to go belly up,” he said in an interview in 1990. “Congress was concerned, and legislators made the difficult decisions and enacted a balanced compromise of tax increases and benefit reductions that saved the system from going bankrupt.”

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 06:00:55

Or this one?

Tom DeLay: Obamacare Battle ‘Worth the Fight’
Tuesday, 08 Oct 2013 08:07 AM
By Cathy Burke

Tom DeLay — the former Republican House majority leader whose conviction for allegedly scheming to influence state elections with corporate money was overturned — praised defiant House Republicans for linking government funding to the fight over the Affordable Care Act.

DeLay railed at the “left’s purpose in pursuing criminal charges against me,” saying they meant “to get me out of politics and out of their way.”

“They may have brought me to my knees, but I’m now standing up again,” he said. “I’m a stronger man now than ever, and I will use my time and energy to pursue the constitutional revival our nation so desperately needs.”

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-10-08 15:30:26

“I’m a stronger man now than ever, and I will use my time and energy to pursue the constitutional revival our nation so desperately needs.”

You mean like funding drones to spy on your own citizens, Mr. DeLay?

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 06:03:05

Or this?

Prosecutors Face Penalty in ’08 Trial of a Senator

By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: May 24, 2012

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has found that two prosecutors involved in the botched 2008 corruption trial of Senator Ted Stevens engaged in “reckless professional misconduct,” but it stopped short of firing the men, saying their mistakes were not intentional.

In a cover letter to a 672-page report provided to Congress on Thursday, alongside additional attachments and findings, the Justice Department said the two prosecutors would be suspended without pay — Joseph Bottini for 40 days, and James Goeke for 15 days.

Mr. Stevens, Republican of Alaska, was charged during the Bush administration with failing to report that an oil services firm had remodeled his house. He was convicted just before the 2008 election and lost his seat — briefly giving Democrats a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, which enabled them to pass the health care law.

The case, however, started to fall apart after it emerged that prosecutors had failed to turn over information, like conflicting statements by witnesses, that might have helped Mr. Stevens at his trial. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., then new to the job, asked the judge to throw out the conviction, and both the court and the department began investigations. Mr. Stevens died in a 2010 plane crash.

Comment by polly
2013-10-08 09:13:54

So you think that remodeling your personal residence is something that a member of Congress does in carrying out their office?

No liability for votes taken. No liability for words said during debate or in hearings or while discussing Congressional business with staff or other members. No liability at all, except, as bananas points out, there are some specific laws about things they are required to do as part of their office (financial disclosures being an obvious one) and there are certain ethical rules that the Chamber can scold the member for violating.

So, if you are implying that a member can be held liable for voting a particular way (even if you can prove that the member is doing it because it would be damaging to a business interest of a person they don’t like), the answer is, no, they cannot.

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:06:05

I was suggesting that political enemies of Congressfolk have other ways to bring them down than to prosecute them for (legal) conduct while in office.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-10-08 06:26:37

Not 100% correct.

Congress can “police” its own. Although rare, they can rebuke, censor or even kick-out other congresspersons.

Also, congressperson can and do get in trouble for violating laws outside the job. (bribery, DUI, taxes, etc.)

It does make sense. Imagine everytime a new adminsitration took over they prosecuted anyone in the last adminsitration/congress becasue they didn’t like the politics of what happened.

 
Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 07:11:05

Congress is 100% protected from any prosecution or liability ??

So are D.A’s..Makes it easy to prosecute anybody you want at what ever level you decide with total disregard to guilt…

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 05:51:00

ft dot com
October 7, 2013 3:49 pm
America cannot live so carelessly forever
By Gideon Rachman
Playing Russian roulette is never advisable. Congress may find a bullet in the chamber this time
Ingram Pinn illustration

Watching the US budget crisis unfold, I was reminded of a famous passage in The Great Gatsby. “They were careless people, Tom and Daisy,” wrote F Scott Fitzgerald, “they smashed up things, and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together.”

Right now, the Republicans and Democrats in Washington are behaving like the Tom and Daisy of global politics – a warring couple, whose rows seem more likely to damage innocent bystanders than themselves. American politicians seem confident that their nation’s wealth and power allow them to get away with careless behaviour that would be swiftly punished in a weaker and poorer country.

History suggests that this complacency is justified. Congress has played Russian roulette with government shutdowns before – and the bullet chamber has always been empty. More broadly, the 50 years since the assassination of John F. Kennedy have thrown up repeated political melodramas – from Watergate to the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. Each time, many thought that the American system was unravelling. Yet, each time, the US bounced back. For while America’s political flaws are very visible, its economic and social strengths are too easily discounted.

By contrast, foreigners have sometimes paid a heavy price for careless behaviour in Washington. It is a standard, self-pitying complaint in Brussels that the crisis in the eurozone was triggered by the collapse of a US investment bank, Lehman Brothers. A large part of the rest of the world’s grim fascination with the budget crisis reflects the fear that if the US economy catches another cold, the rest of the world will get pneumonia. China has told the US not to imperil the value of its holdings of US Treasury bills and Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, has warned of the damage the crisis could do to the world economy. But such complaints are drowned out by self-interested bickering in Congress.

The sense that the US is prone to “careless” behaviour that puts others at risk extends to international politics. America paid a high price in lives lost and money wasted during the Iraq war. But the US has now gone home and lost interest. Iraq, meanwhile, is still in the grip of the terrible civil conflict that followed the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 07:45:20

Any politician who is against new taxes is a terrorist.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 10:07:36

Any politician who is against new taxes is a terrorist.

Anyone who uses straw-man arguments is an idiot?

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Comment by mathguy
2013-10-08 11:42:46

no need to call yourself names, we already know you are a little challenged rio.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 11:49:48

you are a little challenged rio.

Especially by those on the far right.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-10-08 06:49:48

You ever see a public union go on strike?

Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 06:58:08

They’re seeing it in Boston. School bus drivers walked off the job. And the truckers’ union is planning a three day protest to tie up the Beltway. I say go for it, every last one of ‘em.

 
 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 05:50:58
Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 07:16:11

No big deal…Its Government…Endless pot of money….This one doesn’t work ?? Build another one….

Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 07:38:37

“Build another one….”

Hah-ha, that one won’t work either. Ghost in the machine. I was expecting something like this and I wasn’t disappointed.

Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 07:40:11

Notice, too, how it’s sort of a quiet story. Not that it hasn’t been reported, but it’s not making the rounds like other stuff.

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:19:53

It’s pretty weird how some clearly interesting stories never get proper MSM coverage.

Living with the bomb: how close the world has come to disaster
By Peter Huck
12:13 PM Saturday Sep 28, 2013

As the West engages with Iran over its nuclear ambitions, Peter Huck looks at how close the world has come to accidental disaster

It was meant to be a routine maintenance procedure. On September 18, 1980, two airmen entered Launch Complex 374-7, an underground silo outside Damascus, Arkansas, to service a Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). About 6.30pm one of the men dropped a wrench socket. It fell into the silo, bounced off the ICBM and holed a fuel tank.

The dropped socket triggered a series of events that almost levelled Arkansas. Oxidiser sprayed out.

Mixed with rocket fuel it would explode, a terrifying prospect as the ICBM was armed with a nine-megaton thermonuclear warhead, three times as destructive as all the bombs used in World War II, including both atomic bombs dropped on Japan.

By 9pm Complex 374-7 had been evacuated as police cleared nearby communities. At 3am the missile exploded, blasting the silo’s 670-tonne door into the sky. It fell 180m away. The warhead was found near the site’s entry gate. Its safety devices had worked. One airman was killed and 21 people injured. It was a very near-run thing.

This incident, which resulted in an estimated US$245 million ($295.5 million) clean-up bill, with the site entombed, is one of many close calls involving United States nuclear weapons. In January 1978 an oxidiser leak at Complex 374-7 released a toxic plume, necessitating a civilian evacuation. No one died.

The 1980 episode is recounted by Eric Schlosser in Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety, a new book that investigates a decades-long secret history of terrifying US nuclear weapons near-catastrophes.

According to the Pentagon there have been 32 serious mishaps. But Schlosser says many hair-raising accidents were suppressed and cites at least 700 “significant” episodes, involving 1250 nuclear weapons, between 1950 and 1968.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-10-08 12:53:16

Wiki this: Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станисла́в Евгра́фович Петро́в; born c. 1939) is a retired lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces. On September 26, 1983, he was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile was being launched from the United States. Petrov judged the report to be a false alarm,[1] and his decision is credited with having prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its NATO allies that could have resulted in large-scale nuclear war. Investigation later confirmed that the satellite warning system had indeed malfunctioned…For his actions in averting a potential nuclear war in 1983, Petrov was awarded the Dresden Preis 2013 (Dresden Prize) in Dresden, Germany, on February 17, 2013. The award included 25,000 euro ($32,000; £21,000). On February 24, 2012, he was honored with the 2011 German Media Award, presented to him at a ceremony in Baden Baden, Germany.

On May 21, 2004, the San Francisco-based Association of World Citizens gave Petrov its World Citizen Award along with a trophy and $1000 “in recognition of the part he played in averting a catastrophe.”…Bruce Blair has said that at that time the U.S.–Soviet relationship “had deteriorated to the point where the Soviet Union as a system — not just the Kremlin, not just Andropov, not just the KGB — but as a system, was geared to expect an attack and to retaliate very quickly to it. It was on hair-trigger alert. It was very nervous and prone to mistakes and accidents… The false alarm that happened on Petrov’s watch could not have come at a more dangerous, intense phase in U.S.–Soviet relations.”

At that time, according to Oleg D. Kalugin, a former KGB chief of foreign counterintelligence, “The danger was in the Soviet leadership thinking, ‘The Americans may attack, so we better attack first.’”

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 17:09:25

You saved us from Global Thermonuclear War! Here’s your $1000!

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnne
2013-10-08 07:42:25

$1 mil a month for electricity.

On my feed, that story was followed by video of a reporter trying to film in the desert outside an NSA site having his cameras seized. He identified himself as a reporter but the people who want to record our every move don’t even want you recording the outside of the building.

Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 07:47:42

LOL, that’s how you know there’s been a massive meltdown and probably worse than has been reported. If the operation was successful, they’d let all sorts of reporters pretty much record anything they want, as a message to the peeps that they “know all, see all”.

I’m with goon. Love those contractors. They’re almost as competent as the goobermint.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 08:07:20

“Love those contractors”

What’s not to love?

Government contractors are the shot heard around the world. Government contractors are Manifest Destiny. Government contractors are Tippecanoe and Tyler too. Government contractors are born in a log cabin. Government contractors are city of big shoulders, stacker of wheat, and hog butcher for the world. Government contractors are peace in our time. Government contractors are a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. Government contractors are prosperity is around the corner. Government contractors are the D-Day Normandy landing. Government contractors are marching on Selma. Government contractors are one small step for man, one giant step for mankind. Government contractors are not nattering nabobs of negativism. Government contractors are walking on sunshine. Government contractors are the future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades. Government contractors are keep on rocking in the free world.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-10-08 09:53:11

as a message to the peeps that they “know all, see all”

All the more reason to not have a smart phone or an FB account.

I know a guy (an American) who was able to secure foreign citizenship. He posted a picture of himself on his facebook page showing off his new foreign passport next to his US Passport.

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 08:56:14

No different than Jack-booted Thug Law Enforcement who confiscate bystanders camera phones and video recording devices “for evidence”. Then the videos get wiped…

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Comment by tresho
2013-10-08 12:55:24

Then the videos get wiped…
As do their own videos whenever Law Enforcement gets FUBAR.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-10-08 08:57:38

No big deal…Its Government…Endless pot of money….This one doesn’t work ?? Build another one….

The local media here is excited over the possibility of another one being built north of Denver, near the Wyoming state line.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-10-08 09:28:44

Why am I not surprised?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 09:51:03

“When I wrote about the Utah data center holding less information than was previously thought given the current limitations of technology in this space, some critics scoffed. They suggested that the NSA is far more advanced in its technology than companies like Google and Facebook with which I was drawing comparisons.”

Hah hah…that’s funny. And they are getting this technology where? This is my area of expertise, at least the storage part of it, which I believe is critical to what they are trying to do. The technology is moving too fast for special secret groups to move even faster than the market supplying Google and Facebook. Even with all the money the government might spend, industry is likely spending more and is definitely spending it much more efficiently. What is far more likely is that the NSA technology is long outdated before they can even get it implemented. Doesn’t mean it can’t do the job. Just that it’s almost guaranteed to be outdated compared to whatever Facebook and Google are doing.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-10-08 10:13:06

And keep in mind that there’s a lot of open-source development as well.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2013-10-08 06:22:36

Here we have a situation where stocks are 50 percent overvalued, and people are warning that with a one month shutdown and default stocks might fall 30 percent.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/10/07/a-one-month-shutdown-risks-triggering-20-to-30-correction-barry-ritholtz/

“Earnings are at a very high cyclical level.”

Because rising government debts, taking the place of rising private debts, are allowing businesses to sell more to Americans while paying them less. But that can’t go on forever can it?

And when are more of those rising earnings going to get paid to executives?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:21:53

“Here we have a situation where stocks are 50 percent overvalued, and people are warning that with a one month shutdown and default stocks might fall 30 percent.”

0.7*1.5 = 1.05; i.e. they would still be 5 percent overvalued after a 30% correction.

Where is the worry?

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 13:07:31

Speaking of “overvalued” assets, how about that rally in long-term Treasuries, the kind the MSM financial press was saying everyone should sell earlier this year?

This unexpected rally should get even better, once the Fed clarifies guidance that the taper is off the table for the foreseeable future.

Investors add longer-dated Treasuries after govt shutdown-survey
NEW YORK | Tue Oct 8, 2013 11:21am EDT

Oct 8 (Reuters) - Investors raised their holdings of longer-dated Treasuries in the latest week as the first U.S. government shutdown in 17 years entered a second week, feeding worries about another showdown over the debt ceiling, according to a survey released on Tuesday by J.P. Morgan Securities.

Failure to increase the $16.7 trillion borrowing limit before an Oct. 17 deadline, traders fear, would roil financial markets and could cause the government to delay payments on its debt obligations.

Wall Street stocks have fallen about 1 percent since the government reduced services and furloughed more than a half million workers. This stoked some safehaven bids for longer-dated bonds, although the move has been mitigated by concerns about a possible default that would damage the safehaven status of U.S. debt and the dollar.

There has been little progress between Democrats and Republicans toward an agreement to fund the government, although most analysts still expect the two parties to strike a last-minute pact to avoid a default.

The share of investors who said on Monday that their holdings of longer-dated U.S. government debt were greater than their holdings of portfolio benchmarks rose to 23 percent from 21 percent a week earlier, J.P. Morgan Securities said.

By holding more longer-dated Treasuries, investors increase the duration, or interest rate, risk to their portfolios in anticipation of a market rally, which generally causes longer-dated bonds to generate bigger gains than shorter-dated debt.

In J.P. Morgan’s survey of its Treasuries clients, 64 percent said they were “neutral” in their duration on U.S. government debt, or owned longer-dated Treasuries equal to their benchmarks, matching last week’s level.

Thirteen percent of its Treasuries clients said they were “short” in duration of Treasuries, or owning fewer longer-dated Treasuries than their benchmarks, down from 15 percent a week earlier.

The share of “longs” exceeded “shorts” in the latest week by 10 percentage points, which was the highest level of net longs since July 22. A week ago, the share of longs topped shorts by 6 points, J.P. Morgan said.

In early Tuesday trading, benchmark 10-year Treasury yields edged up 1 basis point to 2.639 percent.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 06:23:19

wall street journal - younger americans fare poorly on skills against international peers:

‘u.s. baby boomers held their own against workers’ skills in other industrial nations but younger people fell behind their peers, according to a study released tuesday, painting a gloomy picture of the nation’s competitiveness and education system.

americans with the most cerebral jobs — those that demanded high levels of literacy, numeracy and problem-solving skills — fared the best against the rest of the world. the potential problem lies in the growing complexity of traditional middle-class jobs in fields like manufacturing and health care. workers unable to grow into those jobs will lose their positions or be stranded with stagnant wages. the result: an economy that continues to bifurcate.

those left behind will ultimately drag everyone down, said deborah l. wince-smith, president and ceo of the council on competitiveness, a coalition of ceos, university presidents and labor union leaders. if we continue down this road ‘we will see more and more people that are not employed and they will be a huge drain on the economy in terms of entitlements,’ she said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442004579122193775018938.html

Comment by rms
2013-10-08 13:41:39

“those left behind will ultimately drag everyone down, said deborah l. wince-smith, president and ceo of the council on competitiveness, a coalition of ceos, university presidents and labor union leaders. if we continue down this road ‘we will see more and more people that are not employed and they will be a huge drain on the economy in terms of entitlements,’ she said.”

The assumption is that entitlements are sacrosanct.

 
 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 06:26:20

Gov Jerry Brown signed a bill to let illegals practice law in Ca, although he did veto a bill to let non-citizens serve on jury duty. He said non-citizens on a jury wasn’t right. wth, but being admitted to the bar is? He signed 8 pro-illegals bills.

Now I know why I don’t vote anymore. I need an aspirin.

Comment by 2banana
2013-10-08 06:29:09

Permanent democrat super majority.

Who cares if it destroys what American citizenship stands for.

Power and Party before country.

Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 06:36:02

“Permanent democrat super majority”

Now you’re getting it. The GOP is demographically doomed. Get over it.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 10:29:36

The GOP is demographically doomed.

Maybe not if they moderate their platform.

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:42:38

Adapt or die.

So far the GOP appears to be pursuing a death wish, but who knows if that may change before it’s too late.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 14:13:58

Once they are truly out of power it will change. But probably not until then.

 
 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 06:44:14

“Power and Party before country.”

There will be a new country, there always will be. Countries are but ideas occupying a land mass. The US had to go, unfortunately. It had reached its reductio ad absurdumb.

There will be no “democrat super majority”. Even that will break down into factions. They only unite when faced by an enemy.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-10-08 06:49:38

“They only unite when faced by an enemy.”

Which is something that is sooooo very easy to create.

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Comment by 2banana
2013-10-08 06:53:05

Like Republicans who want to starve kids, kick grandma into the street, pollute the air, put blacks back in chains and deport any one with dark skin or even a good tan…

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-10-08 06:54:27

Easy to create:

Go to a sporting event in Oakland, CA dressed up as a fan of the opposing team (dressed up as the ENEMY) and you just may end up getting killed.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-10-08 09:07:08

Like Republicans who want to starve kids

The make it easy when they propose cutting back on foodstamps.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:07:21

So long as the Fed is pumping $40 billion a month into mortgage backed security purchases, there is no need to worry about starving children.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 06:51:00

“They only unite when faced by an enemy”

White heterosexual males?

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Comment by michael
2013-10-08 07:32:42

global warming?

 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 06:53:58

Don’t be surprised, if, in the not too distant future, Putin offers asylum and invites certain groups of Americans to settle in Russia. Stranger things have happened.

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Comment by Combotechie
2013-10-08 06:55:53

Snowden?

 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 07:00:04

Yes. I believe he was the pioneer.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 10:11:31

Don’t be surprised, if, in the not too distant future, Putin offers asylum and invites certain groups of Americans to settle in Russia. Stranger things have happened.

Interesting concept…they’d probably prefer that to losing it all to the Asians eventually.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 06:48:31

Even your beloved Texas isn’t immune to Permanent Democrat Supermajority.

Washington Post - Obamacare is here. Get used to it.

“Look at Texas, which the state medical association calls “the uninsured capital of the United States.” An estimated 22.5 percent of the population lacks health insurance, a higher percentage than in any other state. Many will remain uninsured because Gov. Rick Perry — a once and perhaps future GOP candidate for president — refused to set up a state insurance exchange and turned down billions in federal funds to expand Medicaid coverage.

Rejection of Obamacare may be popular in Texas now. But demographic trends are making the Lone Star State’s electorate more diverse, as the Latino population grows, and less reliably Republican.

The uninsured cannot pay their bills — medical costs are the biggest single cause of personal bankruptcy — so they are passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher health insurance premiums. Families USA, a nonpartisan health care advocacy group, estimated that in 2010 an average family in Texas paid an extra $2,786 in premiums to cover care for the uninsured.”

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 07:17:29

‘Even your beloved Texas’

Texas is just a place. But it had a Democratic one party system from the 1860’s until the mid 1980’s.

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Comment by rms
2013-10-08 11:08:00

“Texas is just a place. But it had a Democratic one party system from the 1860’s until the mid 1980’s.”

+1 The only thing better than free cheese is Jesus.

 
 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 07:18:51

“medical costs are the biggest single cause of personal bankruptcy”

And that is true for the insured as well. Denied claims and high pass thru costs also contribute as well.
I’m a recovered republican. We need true reform, like putting a leash on the non-profit health ins companies CXO’s salaries and perks are f*@king insane.

A friend worked for a blue 40 years, and she was flummoxed by the claim denial.

The ACA isn’t a fix.

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Comment by michael
2013-10-08 07:37:12

“medical costs are the biggest single cause of personal bankruptcy”

that’s because no one saves for medical costs…you can have a mortgage that’s 65% of your income…a brand spanking new car that you bought with 0 down…and then you get sick…and all of a sudden….it’s the medical cost that’s the biggest single cause of personal bankruptcy.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-10-08 09:46:08

And that is true for the insured as well.

Corporate America knows this. It’s one of the reasons they get away with not giving raises. Sure, you could quit, but unless you’re a young, pretty thing, the insurance you’ll get at most small companies and startups is junk, if they give you anything at all.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 10:56:51

In Colorado
There was a time even small firms could get great small group coverage. That’s history now. You’re absolutely right.

Michael,
Some of us are between a rock and a hard place to cover a medical oh-sh*t. Some of these policies have steep out of pockets. We’re financially conservative but our incomes got slaughtered. Being debt free is our saving grace.

My REIT downsized and as I am looking for a new position, I’m accepting a $20K/yr haircut. I’ll gladly take it to get back to work.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 11:13:12

Fetch me a cup…. and be quick about it.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 18:59:08

“My REIT downsized and as I am looking for a new position, I’m accepting a $20K/yr haircut. I’ll gladly take it to get back to work.”

I know exactly what you are saying. Mine was a $20k/yr haircut too. But I’ve finished the 90 day probation period, so I guess I’m a keeper as long as I keep my nose clean.

I lived below my means a long time and saved like a squirrel, not putting all the nuts in one basket. So I can take a 50% stock crash.

As for medicine, I saved chiefly for medical costs. In 1994 my mom’s hospital bill for her one month hospital stay for her terminal illness was $70,000. My dad’s was paid for and had home hospice. I started my own LTC insurance. My aunt and uncle had LTC and it worked out great for them. Worked out well for my dad. It was related to being a veteran. But I expect most of my stuff to be out of pocket. I do not want socialized health care.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 19:35:24

Bill
Congrats on the success of your 90 day probation period. The honeymoon is over now. The overload of work is a’comin.

I’ve never seen so little opportunity out there. In a class I took for us older folks, they said jobs come from two sources now a days:
cronyism (past colleagues and networking)
nepotism
Online sources were information gathering.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 19:41:30

Pandering donkey.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 20:12:14

Mine is from cronyism. I worked with half the people before. The CEO who hired me is a FB friend who twisted my arm to join the company. My former office partner from my last job just started at my new company last week on Monday.

We are doing all commercial work with software. Lots of fun stuff. Catered lunch on Fridays (with beer most of the Fridays). Almost all of us live in the OC.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 20:13:40

Thanks InchByInch.

And I figure I really care to work maybe another three years in California before I decide to downsize my salary again and work permanently in Phoenix.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 20:30:01

Almost all of us live in the OC.

You live in OC?

Damn…….I was almost “jealous” reading your post.

But not now……OC?….That suks and beer is cheap…

 
 
 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 07:01:35

“Permanent democrat super majority.”

Oh certainly that will happen. It will be a one party system and it will happen by 2017. Pelosi and Reid controlling Congress and Hitlary in the White House. But it’s partly the Republicans’ fault.. I know of a great deal of people who cannot stand the social conservative Bible thumping aspect of the Republicans and they left long ago. Some of them are Democrats who support the free market, even the RKBA, but feel that the mainstream Republican philosophy is an attack on their freedom. I probably would have become a Democrat in 1980 if I did activate my mind in studying the libertarian philosophy.

By that time only an idiot would think he could change government from large to small by voting if he just persuades enough people. The Free $hit Army has already a majority of votes and that was in 2008.

IT’S TOO LATE. Can’t you see?

The only way to peacefully reduce the government is to give yourself a tax cut legally. It can be done and we non-Democrats will do it. Once everyone realizes the election process won’t reduce government they will see this as the next way to change. We will go through as many non-bloody peaceful ideas to revolt before we have to take up arms.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 07:03:20

“if I didn’t activate” — what I meant.

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Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 08:12:24

Permanent democrat super majority ??

The GOP made their bed with the election in 2000 and then again in 2004….Its just a slow death from there…

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 08:21:03

‘Its just a slow death from there’

This sort of thinking amazes me. We have a 2 party system right now. Someone or something always fills a vacuum. I can remember when the south was all Democrat. Does no one remember how the voting public and parties change and evolve?

Or do you really think we’re all gonna be voting for one party forever? Take a look at the approval ratings for the Democrats in office right now.

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Comment by scdave
2013-10-08 09:00:40

My Point Ben is that the election in 2000 & 2004 was a game changer for the GOP…It sure chased this republican out of the party…The slow death I speak of is for the ones who control the GOP today…Hell, they make Lindsey Graham look like a liberal..

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Comment by My failure to respect is unacceptable
2013-10-08 13:08:22

So you want more debt more war? Than you for clarifying.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 18:47:11

I don’t speak for SCDave, but the Republicans are not the only alternative. I’ve been voting Libertarian. You think the Republicans will get us out of war? They put is into war in 2001 man! They are pro war, just like the mainstream Democrats. The tea party Republicans such as Rand Paul are not mainstream Republicans but they are anti war. They will not go far.

The Libertarian Party platform is based on non-aggression principle. Anti-war is built-in to libertarianism.

 
 
 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 06:36:51

Yeah, I was following that. Citizenship has been cheapened to the point it’s totally meaningless. Actually it looks more and more like a liability.

The US is dying or dead. These are maggots feeding on the flesh of decaying organism.

Here’s the interesting thing: The underpinnings of the US, the rule of law, citizenship, etc. are being or have been knocked out. Maggots like Jerry Brown are complete psychopaths who have no idea that these underpinnings support them. They’re kicking out the supports while standing on the deck.

There’s a special hell for Jerry Brown and his ilk. I will never forgive, I will never forget.

Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 06:56:00

“The US is dying or dead”

I welcome it.

And as poet, mystic, and drunk Jim Morrison once said, “I just wanna get my kicks before the whole sh*thouse goes up in flames”

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 07:12:58

When the still sea conspires an armor,
And her sullen and aborted currents breed tiny monsters,
True sailing is dead.
Awkward instant and the first animal is jettisoned
Legs furiously pumping their stiff green gallop
and heads bob up,
Poise, Delicate, Pause, Consent,
In mutant nostril agony
Carefully refined
and sealed over.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 07:32:48

Horse Latitudes? Wow, that’s really obscure…

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 18:50:49

Kind of reminds me of Wallace Stevens influence. If I remember correctly, Jim Morrison saw a painting of a ship caught where there was not enough wind to get out of the waters. I think there is a certain latitude from the equator where you have days of no wind or low wind. The sailing ships would have to jettison extra weight or their people will eventually die of thirst. Horses are the most obvious to jettison.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 19:15:04

When Obama an Reid conspire a 20% takeover of the GDP,
And the sullen and weak-kneed social conservatives only pray against it
True revolution is dead
Awkward instant as our remaining economic freedom is jettisoned
Only Libertarians furiously mad as our American heritage of individualism gallops away.
Chains. Detention. Patriot Act. Gun Grabbing.
Carefully gone and sealed for good

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 20:32:18

True revolution is dead

Spoken like the “true anarchist” you say you are.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-09 07:32:07

I hope you I tended writing that one from the heart because I am proud to be an anarchist. Murray Rothbard was proud to be an anarchist too. He lived a wonderful life.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-10-08 09:00:24

Citizenship has been cheapened to the point it’s totally meaningless.

If you can get foreign citizenship, do it. When the house of cards collapses a US Passport will be a liability.

 
 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-10-08 07:35:36

‘Gov Jerry Brown signed a bill to let illegals practice law’

Jacoby and Rodriguez

 
 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-10-08 06:39:38

Government Sux is a good contrarian indicator. They say selling gold after the shutdown is over is a slam dunk

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/goldman-gold-slam-dunk-sell-123315973.html

 
Comment by Taxpayers
2013-10-08 06:54:20

any condo hotels yet?
oh the good old dayzzzzzz

Comment by 2banana
2013-10-08 07:02:14

Only with the Trump name on them for quality…

 
 
Comment by measton
2013-10-08 07:02:49

Oh Wallstreet you are so creative in your theft.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/how-investors-lose-89-percent-of-gains-from-futures-funds.html

Eventually people will get so fed up with the theft that they plow all their money into goats and orchards. Then we will have completed our transition into a third world country.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 07:12:31

The future = there is no future

“The widening gap between rich and poor — exacerbated by wage stagnation, rising tuition costs … is making it more difficult for today’s young people to hace success climbing the income ladder than previous generations.

The mobility of workers versus their peers has also declined, threatening productivity, business profitability and economic growth … While the ability to ascend income brackets still exists, the likelihood of a household jumping from poverty into wealth declined in the decade ended 2009.

The highest earnings have gone to the same households every year for the past decade, while globalization has made it harder for Americans to compete with laborers abroad … The ensuing wealth gap makes workers less optimistic about their prospects, fueling declines in labor force participation, productivity and the pace of economic recovery …

Income inequality in the U.S. has been rising since the 1980s, suggesting that the fortunes of today’s youth may be more heavily dependent on their parents. Between 1979 and 2007, $1.1 trillion in annual income shifted to the top 1 percent of households …

Median household income has fallen every year for the past five years after adjusting for inflation, according to data from the Census Bureau, with Americans earning no more than they did in 1996. The share of people making between $35,000 and $100,000 a year has declined over the same period, while those earning more than $200,000 has grown to 4.5 percent from 3.3 percent.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-08/gatsby-stays-on-farm-as-income-gap-limits-u-s-social-mobility.html

Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 08:59:17

But as long as the 0.1% got theirs, it’s all good bro

PBS Newshour - America’s children are the silent victims of the Great Recession:

“The Great Recession has disrupted the lives of families and their children in an unprecedented way.

It has changed everyday life in some ways that can be measured by money, but in others that cannot, and at the extreme, it has led to a six-fold increase in the risk children will be physically abused.

Lost jobs, falling incomes and foreclosures will likely compromise the capacity of children to become all that they can be, with the effects of the recession echoing not just across years, but also across generations.”

Comment by rms
2013-10-08 13:12:55

“The Great Recession has disrupted the lives of families and their children in an unprecedented way.”

Darn…I was counting on their children to fund my retirement.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 07:22:36

And now some good news

“Talk to Mark Hanson about the housing market for five minutes and you may find yourself wanting to sell your home and park the cash in a suitcase.

The Menlo Park, California, real estate analyst, blogger and founder of consultancy Hanson Advisers predicts a decline of 20 percent in housing prices in the next 12 months. Half the gains since the latest housing bottom in 2011 could be erased in the hot areas — Florida, California, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia — by rising interest rates and a thinner herd of speculative private-equity buyers, he says.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/a-lonely-housing-bear-predicts-a-big-fall.html

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 09:19:56

So, Mark Hanson is an ex-mortgage banker, who took up consulting in 2006, mid-bubble–and he got the bubble right.

“Hanson’s track record as a forecaster is mixed. He’s made numerous good calls, including predicting the 2007 housing crash. Where he says he went wrong in recent years was in 2012, when he turned from bull to bear, not realizing the extent of the private-equity and all-cash buying that he says is propping up the market.”

So as a forecaster for all of 7 years in a business that has long cycles, how many “good calls” is “numerous”?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 09:23:51

And he doesn’t let you get away with your housing bullsh*t any more than Jonesy.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 09:40:47

I wish people would make up their mind.

Is it cash buyers propping up the market? Or cheap debt?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:10:46

I keep repeating this, but I will try once more: IT’S BOTH. Cheap debt allows greater fools to buy more house than they can afford, and also encourages the cash buyers to snap it up while prices are rising with a plan to dump before the next crash.

Why is it so painfully difficult for you to grasp that these two buyer categories are not mutually exclusive?

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 11:53:47

Let’s not revise history here.

Cash buyers stepped in before prices started to rise with any significance (late 2011, and to a much greater extent in 2012). Were they buying based on a hope that they could flip for a big profit in a flat market? Or based on the cash flow the homes could generate based on rental income?

Those buyers are now dialing back the purchases. If, as you say, they are buying because prices are going up, and they want to flip to make a profit, why are the numbers of cash buyers going down?

A long time ago, people on this very board noted how the emergence of people willing to pay for cash (ie. not debt fueled mania) would be an indicator of the bottom.

Why can’t people admit that they were right? That cash buyers signaled the bottom, and that fundamental value is determined by rental yields, not what a leveraged buyer is willing to pay?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 12:23:10

Liar,

The bottom in housing prices is yet to be found and it’s right in front of you.

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 14:51:28

I missed something else…he was a BULL until 2012? So he was bullish as the market was finding it’s bottom, and then he turned bear in 2012, just as prices were starting to rise off their bottom?

So, he got the bubble right…anything else?

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnne
2013-10-08 07:28:34

Wash, rinse, repeat.

A new British taxpayer assisted mortgage scheme is now available to help people who can’t afford overpriced homes get a mortgage after all.

“The second part of the government’s Help to Buy scheme has launched. It will offer banks and building societies a taxpayer-backed guarantee to help them make more mortgages available to people with small deposits.

…the first part of Help to Buy…launched in April. That is only available on new-build homes and involves taking an interest-free loan of up to 20% from the government to help you buy the property, which you pay back when you move or can afford. After five years it starts attracting interest. To use that scheme you need to contact a local agent.”

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/oct/07/should-use-help-to-buy?CMP=fb_gu

Comment by frankie
2013-10-08 13:45:44

I’ll have three ;)

 
 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-10-08 07:29:31

Pam Dawber

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 10:25:00

Did Mindy’s house get flooded a few weeks ago?

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-10-08 20:30:32

‘Did Mindy’s house get flooded a few weeks ago?’

Flooded with comedy and hijinks and some coke.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 07:34:28

‘U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry went into defense mode on Monday, assuring a skeptical international community that the weekend seizure of a suspected high-ranking al Qaeda operative in Tripoli was in fact legal and justified.’

‘Libya and the nation’s allies have questioned the legality of the U.S. operation, accusing the United States of kidnapping. He also said, CBS reported: “I think it’s important for people in the world not to sympathize with alleged terrorists but to underscore the importance of the rule of law.”

Comment by jose canusi
2013-10-08 07:43:08

“I think it’s important for people in the world not to sympathize with alleged terrorists but to underscore the importance of the rule of law.”

Awww, lordy, I laughed so hard I’ve gotta put my shorts in the laundry.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 09:13:24

LOLZ. Whose law is the rule? The answer, boys and girls, is whoever has the most guns…

Note that Delta Force succeeded in capturing the suspect in Libya, in part, because that suspect was vulnerable and either alone or lightly guarded.

The SEAL Team 6 raid into Somalia that same weekend didn’t go quite as well because the Somalians had more guns than the SEALs. The SEALS were forced to retreat due to overwhelming volumes of fire coming from Somali fighters.

So, boys and girls, what does that tell you about the 2nd Amendment and the progressive war to take guns out of the hands of Americans? What does that tell you when your local Police have an MRAP armored vehicle, full-auto M4’s, and dress like Delta Force operators? What does that tell you when the Department of Homeland Security orders enough ammunition to wage the war in Iraq for 20 years, on US soil?

Comment by rms
2013-10-08 11:26:55

“The SEAL Team 6 raid into Somalia that same weekend didn’t go quite as well because the Somalians had more guns than the SEALs.”

Not true. Armed reconnaissance drones and loitering AC-130 gunships were standing by. The mission profile was a high value target rendition. The flood of additional fighters could have meant easier body count, but cooler heads prevailed.

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Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 11:48:15

Responded, but it may take a bit to show… The abridged version: you’re wrong.

 
Comment by rms
2013-10-08 12:26:29

“Responded, but it may take a bit to show… The abridged version: you’re wrong.”

The mission profile was a high value target rendition.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 12:39:34

Yes. And with 24 SEAL’s, and drone and Specter Gunship support, they had to withdraw under fire and couldn’t accomplish the mission, even though they could see the high-value target.

Do the Somalis have armed drones, or even unarmed drones? Do the Somalis have AC-130 Specter Gunships with 105mm Howitzers and 25mm Chain guns? No? What did the Somalis have?

They had AK-47’s and RPK’s… lot’s of them.

 
Comment by rms
2013-10-08 12:46:19

“Yes. And with 24 SEAL’s, and drone and Specter Gunship support, they had to withdraw under fire and couldn’t accomplish the mission, even though they could see the high-value target.”

Once their cover was blown the mission was over.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-10-08 13:08:57

Once their cover was blown the mission was over.
Nobody bats 1000. Nobody.
The Japanese pulled off a 2nd attack on Pearl Harbor 8 March 1942. US air interceptors from Pearl couldn’t locate the Japanese bombers & the bombers couldn’t see their targets. That attack never even made the news.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 14:27:00

It seems Special Operations Command has learned very little from the “Black Hawk Down” event. We lost initiative their as well and it cost us 16 American lives… hubris will do that.

Not every mission can go as planned. What offended me about “Black Hawk Down” was Clinton and Aspin’s apparent lack of understanding or caring about how the military in general worked. We haven’t seen that from Obama…I assume he is deferring to people who do know how it works.

 
Comment by rms
2013-10-08 14:42:30

“What offended me about “Black Hawk Down” was Clinton and Aspin’s apparent lack of understanding or caring about how the military in general worked.”

+1 The operation to capture warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid was executed in daylight without ac-130 support. Clinton caved-in to international peace efforts and ordered the ac-130’s out of the theater. When things went wrong Les Aspin was expected to fall on the sword for his commander and chief. Les Aspin asked a widow if he could attend the funeral, but she denied his request. Les Aspin passed away shortly thereafter. Chump!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 07:37:50

There’s a whole lot of claims to be a general contractor by some of you donkeys yet we don’t see much expertise shown here.

Are you sure you’re a “general contractor”? ;)

Comment by oxide
2013-10-08 09:46:14

If your goal is to see some good expertise, why don’t you post some?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 10:48:59

You really don’t know. Just say it.

Comment by oxide
2013-10-08 11:59:26

Of course I don’t know. Construction is not my area, except for some low-level Home Despot-type facelifts. That’s why I’m asking YOU.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 12:18:24

You should have asked before you got ripped off.

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-10-08 15:48:58

Have you two ever thought of getting a room? :)

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 15:53:24

There isn’t enough room for me and the harpsichord. ;)

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 15:54:30

Have you two ever thought of getting a room? :)

Oxide would have to pay for the room. She obviously has some money. HA seems like he’s broke, lives in his mom’s basement and is pi$$ed-to-no-end because he can’t ever afford a house.

And that’s no “lie”. :)

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 16:08:00

Aww… the charade continues. How cute Donkey.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 07:56:38

‘Japan’s finance minister pressed the United States on Tuesday to quickly resolve its political deadlock over government finances to avoid a fiscal crisis that could damage the global economy.’

‘As of July 31, China held $1.28 trillion in U.S. Treasury bonds and Japan held $1.14 trillion, Treasury Department data shows.’

Don’t forget to stamp your feet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg

Animal House–”You F’ed up, you trusted us”

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 08:14:31

‘The May and June “taper panic” gave a brief empirical peek at how markets might react to the end of the Fed’s monthly bond purchases — and at how statements by Bernanke may shape that response.’

‘The results aren’t pretty.’

“We have always been concerned there would be turbulence” when the world’s main central bank decides that the crisis is enough in the past that it can stop the extraordinary asset purchases and other efforts made to sustain the economy, said Karl Habermeier, assistant director of the IMF’s monetary and capital markets department. “What happened was not what we wanted or hoped for.”

You F’ed up, you trusted us

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2013-10-08 08:25:27

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Comment by phony scandals
2013-10-08 08:30:16

“You F’ed up, you trusted us”

Bluto: My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:41:45

All that sturm and drang, and so far no signs the Fed will even taper, EVER…

Comment by Neuromance
2013-10-08 09:55:42

Their policies are making lots of money for their social networks. Why would they stop unless they absolutely had to?

I think the market will dictate the central bank and government actions, and when they must stop, rather than any abstract principles they might have.

Their principles went out the window at the start of the Great Recession. So, they were probably more for public consumption rather any actual privately held beliefs.

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Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-10-08 15:51:11

I never believed in the taper, and I’m inclined to think it will never stop until the whole shithouse implodes.

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:57:19

14 HRs agoBusiness
Tense Negotiations Inside the Fed Produced Muddled Signals to Markets
By Jon Hilsenrath
Chairman Ben Bernanke
AP

The Federal Reserve’s decision to continue its controversial $85-billion-a-month bond-buying program followed six months of closed-door negotiations.

The Federal Reserve’s decision to continue one of the most audacious experiments in monetary history—an $85 billion-a-month bond-buying program designed to boost growth—followed six months of tense negotiations inside the central bank, and a stumbling effort to let the public know what was going on.

A small group of Fed officials has been privately pushing Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke to plan an exit from his signature program, said several people familiar with the closed-door deliberations. But glimmers of a weakening economy prompted the Fed in September to keep the program going—surprising markets primed by months of central-bank suggestions that a wind-down was nearing.

The saga shows how hard it is for a central bank to communicate about plans that are complicated, evolving and conditional on the economy. Fed officials regard programs designed to sway long-term interest rates as essential to the fragile economy—tools for stimulating consumer spending, investing and home buying. Mr. Bernanke has long argued that being more transparent will make such policies more effective.

The Fed’s efforts to telegraph its strategy left investors confused at key points about where it was heading, and some misread Mr. Bernanke’s intentions about the bond-buying program and interest rates. That disconnect exacerbated a real-world problem: rising rates that by August showed signs of denting a budding housing recovery.

At present, the Fed has laid the groundwork to start reducing its bond purchases later this year or early next year. But that depends on how the economy weathers another recent soft patch, which has been complicated by feuding between Congress and the White House over fiscal policy. More clues will appear Wednesday when the Fed releases minutes of its Sept. 17-18 meeting.

“There’s no alternative in making monetary policy but to communicate as clearly as possible, and that’s what we tried to do,” Mr. Bernanke said at a news conference after the Fed’s September meeting.

“Whether we start in September or a bit later is not in itself the key issue,” said Fed Governor Jeremy Stein in a speech after the September meeting. “What is much more important is doing everything we can to ensure that this difficult transition is implemented in as transparent and predictable a manner as possible. On this front, I think it is safe to say that there may be room for improvement.”

The Fed’s securities portfolio has grown to $3.5 trillion under the program. Mr. Bernanke, whose term ends in January, launched the purchases to hold down long-term interest rates and encourage economic growth. His final act as chairman could be devising a way to end the program.

The White House has signaled Janet Yellen, the Fed’s vice chairwoman, is its likely nominee to succeed him.

The internal Fed debate over the program shows how challenging it can be to forge consensus among the 19 individuals who take part in interest-rate and bond-buying decisions.

Twelve outspoken regional bank presidents often disagree publicly on Fed policy. Those based in Dallas, Philadelphia, Kansas City and Richmond have openly opposed the bond-buying program.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 08:30:25

How a game theorist would solve the shutdown showdown
By Dylan Matthews, Published: October 4 at 9:00 am
James Dean prepares for a game of Chicken in “Rebel Without a Cause”. (Warner Bros.)

Daniel Diermeier is the IBM Distinguished Professor of Regulation and Competitive Practices at Northwestern’s Kellogg School of Management; he also holds appointments in law and political science and directs Kellogg’s Ford Motors Center for Global Citizenship. A political scientist by training, he has written extensively on formal political theory, game theory and other topics relating to the modeling of political institutions. We talked on the phone Thursday afternoon; a lightly edited transcript follows.

Let’s say you had to model the showdown between President Obama and House Republicans. Where would you start?

We have a tendency to think about this as a negotiation between a couple of big players. There’s Boehner on one side, and Obama on the other side, and now the question is who wins. It’s like the Cuban missile crisis. That’s our image.

There’s some of that going on, but things are more complicated here. The difficulty is that if you’re the president, you’re not negotiating with one person, but with a group of people — the House or the Senate, depending on what the issue is, and that makes things a lot more complicated. That’s number one.

But also, you’re dealing with people who are public officials, and the so the game theory questions of what their reversion point or their outside option are all depend on public opinion. You have these two sides, plus you have a battle in the field of public opinion and a negotiation going on at the same time. So it’s a far more complicated problem.

The other point is that as dramatic as this is, the types of situations that we see right now are really baked into the U.S. system of government. They are unfortunate and scary, but they in some sense follow by design. That’s something where models can really help clarify things.

Take the following example. Let’s say a legislature has to decide on the budget, the annual budget. In the U.K., the way it works is the government is of a parliamentary type, and in most cases — not always, but in most cases — the cabinet and the ruling party are aligned. That means there is very little in the way of negotiation going on inside the chamber. All the decisions have been made previously in the party or the cabinet. The chancellor reads the budget, and the whole thing is over in three, four days. That’s typical in the U.K. and typical in other parliamentary democracies like Germany, the Netherlands or Sweden.

In the U.S., the president and Congress are elected effectively at different times. Their political futures do not depend on each other, and that creates incentives to not negotiate with each other. One of the consequences is that the likelihood a bill passes is far higher in the U.K. than in the U.S. This failure to get stuff done, to pass budgets, is a systemic feature we can understand. It comes back to the fact that in a parliament, the legislature and government are aligned by design, whereas in the U.S. there’s this conflict between executive and legislature. That’s what the founding fathers wanted, and it has pros and cons. It makes it much more difficult to pass a law, and some people like that.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 09:03:54

The other point is that as dramatic as this is, the types of situations that we see right now are really baked into the U.S. system of government. They are unfortunate and scary, but they in some sense follow by design. That’s something where models can really help clarify things.

I alluded to this in posts yesterday and today. By design… too bad most of the moonbats today are too ignorant of history, of our founders, and the insights they had, the challenges they faced in creating a government from scratch. The moonbats would rather bray like sheep: “But we have a mandate!”

Bugger off with your socialist “mandate”…

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 13:54:03

“But we have a mandate law of the land.

 
 
Comment by michael
2013-10-08 13:41:31

seems to me that the need for neogitiation was intended by the founders.

 
 
Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-10-08 08:32:31

RAL… check out the sign behind David Crosby in this photograph:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/David_Crosby_Graham_Nash_Occupy_Wall_Street_2011_Shankbone.JPG

“Debt is Slavery”

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 08:55:19

Liberace has entered the building!

Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-10-08 09:15:55

entered the building… bearing Great Truths.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 09:31:28

Make no mistakes Lib….. you’re not fooling anyone.

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Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-10-08 10:51:37

Fool anyone? By telling them that debt is slavery?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 11:06:44

Hey Lib…. that harpsichord of yours….. Do you have more than one?

 
 
 
Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-10-08 09:29:45

Just listen to the female host here (not sure who she is)… what a tool. At about 5:00 or so, she seems stunned that music and the music business are only a PART of what CSN is about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idS_J_Jsdrc

She has been indoctrinated into “career = life purpose”. It’s flabbergasting.

Charlie Rose is a good contrast. Everyone knows his wife is rich as hell and he left being a lawyer to be a cool bro who just reads and does interviews. He’s not stunned at all when Graham Nash is all “being a musician is NBD, I love living life, shooting photos, painting, collecting, people-watching, etc.”

A good little window into what a shit society the modern US is, the idea that work = meaning. The stunned look on the woman’s face at 5:25 is priceless (Charlie is smiling).

Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 11:46:34

A good little window into what a shit society the modern US is, the idea that work = meaning.

To an unemployed man, what is work? Does his life have meaning if he has no work and no money?

Seems to be a problem solely for rich folks…

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Comment by rms
2013-10-08 13:45:28

“Debt is Slavery”

If debt is slavery why do the plebs take on so much of it?

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 13:58:36

Slaves need to be fed and housed.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 08:40:28

Linked from Drudge - Parents Upset After Trayvon Martin Day Planned During Local Homecoming Week:

“PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Parents were upset after Carrick High School approved a plan to have a Trayvon Martin theme day during the school’s homecoming.

The homecoming committee, and school voted and approved the theme which is part of school spirit week.

Parents were upset that kids were being encouraged to wear hoodies to school during the Wednesday theme.”

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Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 09:19:21

There’s a war for the minds of our children. Public schools are the front-line of that war…

As Sun Tzu teaches:
“Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!”

Comment by goon squad
2013-10-08 09:37:41

“a war for the minds of our children”

I don’t have any kidz but if I did they would look like this:

http://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/appleseed_maiden_1761.jpg?w=600&h=758

 
Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-10-08 12:13:02

When I read this:

“There’s a war for the minds of our children. Public schools are the front-line of that war…”

I thought of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwzaxUF0k18

Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 13:31:44

Did you know that a middle school in Long Island, NY has banned footballs, soccer balls, and baseballs from recess? And no cartwheels unless overseen by an adult… Seems the risk of injury is too great.

Did you hear about the girl who was forced to change shirts at school because officials didn’t like her NRA t-shirt?

How about the Kindergartner who was suspended for drawing a gun? Have drawings of guns every hurt anyone?

Or maybe the comments from Melissa Harris-Perry that children don’t belong to their parents, but the community?

We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to their communities

But you’re not having kids Joe, so you don’t have to worry about them being indoctrinated and brainwashed by liberal socialist group-think…

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Comment by Pete
2013-10-08 16:51:00

“Kindergartner who was suspended for drawing a gun?”

That could be read two ways!
Seriously, there are misguided school officials everywhere. Usually their actions, like banning footballs, is their way of playing it safe, as in “we don’t need a lawsuit on our hands”.

As for the NRA shirt incident, the LA Times report reads that the school “apologized to the 16-year-old and said campus staff will be trained so that “an incident like this does not occur again”, adding that “after reviewing the images on the shirt, Fricker (the principal) concluded that it didn’t promote violence”.

Sounds like a couple of loose cannons on school grounds just didn’t know what they were doing. Or maybe they disliked the NRA, but in the end, “school officials” (no doubt your code term for leftist bureaucrats) got it right and perhaps taught the girl a good lesson.

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2013-10-08 13:37:49

when i saw that the SUV guy was asian it became really difficult to determine who was at fault.

asian versus a latino…tuff call.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 09:25:00

New Mortgage Monitor is out from LPS.

CA non-current rate is now at 5.8%, although the “pipeline ratio” has increased (ratio of 90+ delinquencies and those in the foreclosure process divided by the 6 month average of foreclosure sales). I suspect part of the blip is from the disruption at the beginning of the year. We’ll see if that number settles down.

In any event, I’m going to e-mail the guy who puts out the report to find out how he reconciles the continual decline in non-current loan rate in CA with the greater Pipeline Ratio (page 17). I suspect it’s because a greater number of homes in delinquency are resolved either by selling (because prices have risen sufficiently), or short sales.

http://www.lpsvcs.com/LPSCorporateInformation/CommunicationCenter/DataReports/MortgageMonitor/201308MortgageMonitor/MortgageMonitorAugust2013.pdf

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 09:53:39

This policy model worked out so well for the U.S., it’s completely understandable why the Europeans would want to copy it.

ARKETS
October 7, 2013, 6:32 p.m. ET
Europeans Import U.S. Mortgage Models
By MAX COLCHESTER in London, MAARTEN VAN TARTWIJK in Amsterdam and CHRISTOPHER EMSDEN in Rome

U.S. taxpayers had to rescue mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNMA +4.58%) and Freddie Mac(FMCC +3.42%), but that isn’t stopping some European governments from adopting similar programs and institutions.

The Dutch government recently announced it will seek to develop its own version of Fannie and Freddie to take some pressure off its banks’ balance sheets and help revitalize the local housing market. Meanwhile, U.K. and Italian officials are implementing policies aimed at helping more people buy homes by getting the state to partly guarantee certain types of home loans—a project that resembles the mandate of the U.S. Federal Housing Administration.

The shift toward explicit government subsidies in these European mortgage markets is raising eyebrows. The plans reflect mounting concern among policy makers that a dearth of bank lending is stymying fragile economic recoveries. But some experts question whether these policies will instead stoke housing bubbles or lead to a system where banks increasingly lean on governments to back their lending to riskier borrowers.

It’s deeply irresponsible,” said Philip Booth, professor of insurance and risk management at Cass Business School in London. “It reduces incentives for banks to monitor loans [and] it distorts the credit market by ensuring they don’t take on the full risk of the loans they make.”

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-08 10:10:15

Ben should be getting some props in an article like this…

A Lonely Housing Bear Predicts a Big Tumble

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 10:17:09

This is funny:

‘In one of Hanson’s latest blog posts he remarks that perhaps he is the only housing bear left. But as anyone familiar with financial history knows, it’s when there are no more bears left that the bear market begins.’

The “bear market” started a few months ago. Anyway, you don’t have a bear market after a bubble. Hey Bloomberg; it’s gonna fall a lot more than 20%.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 10:56:42

Hey Bloomberg; it’s gonna fall a lot more than 20%.

Don’t you know it Jonesy.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:16:43

Would this be a good time to buy the dip?

If not now, how soon?

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-10-08 10:31:02

It’ll always be a good time to buy the dip until it isn’t.

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:45:25

I meant the really big dip.

However, if it ends up lasting more than two decades, akin to Japan’s recent really big dip, then I agree with you.

Unfortunately we seem to currently be in a holding pattern similar to the one in the 1960s, after which there was a bear market in U.S. stocks which lasted for roughly one and a half decades (1967-1982?).

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 10:59:10

The dating of the period of post-60s U.S. stock market decline is a bit tricky, and depends in on how one defines “decline” and what measure is used. Figure 20.1 on p. 394 of John Cochrane’s Asset Pricing book is insightful. It shows the Dividend/price ratio of the value-weighted NYSE from the 1920s through 2000. High levels of this ratio indicate stocks are “cheap
and low levels that they are “expensive. A low plateau in this measure was achieved circa 1960 and stocks stayed more-or-less at that level until the gold standard was eliminated circa 1970, after which the dividend-price ratio rose steadily through the early 1980s, indicating more-or-less continued stock market decline (by this measure) for over a decade.

By around 1982, the dividend-price ratio had reached its highest level since 1950 of near 6 percent, after which it began an ongoing downtrend through 2000 to its lowest level of the period included in the graph, below 2 percent.

I don’t have the recent data, but given Alan Greenspan’s risk premium remark* plus the advent of quantitative easing, I would guess the level has remained around 2 percent ever since.

* History has been unkind to periods of low risk premiums.

– Alan Greenspan

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Comment by Schnooks
2013-10-08 10:27:22

Just in from Minnesota (City Data real estate forum)

“Has anyone else seen their showings come to a halt over the last week? We had good turnout and then…..the government shut-down happened and we have not had a single showing since. We had 10 groups come through our open house on Sunday, but the showings have completely stopped. Anyone else seeing this?”

and

“I spoke with my local banker a couple of weeks ago. Their mortgage apps were quite high, and then the interest rate popped up and business died. That, along with the season, along with the Gubment shenanigans, are putting folks in a ‘wait and see’ mode.”

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/real-estate/1968978-anyone-else-see-their-showings-come.html#ixzz2h9VJkVv6

Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-10-08 11:12:21

Here in Tucson, I’m seeing a ton of stuff for rent. Not so much for sale. What I do see isn’t exactly flying off the market.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 11:25:06

‘Not so much for sale’

‘Foreclosed properties in Hispanic neighborhoods in Tucson are among hundreds nationwide that have been subject to a “striking pattern” of housing discrimination by Bank of America, according to a complaint filed with the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

‘In Tucson, the group investigated 18 foreclosed homes owned by Bank of America. Fifteen were located in predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods and three in predominantly white communities. The local investigation found:

93 percent of the foreclosed properties inspected in Hispanic neighborhoods did not have a “for sale” sign on display, compared to one of the three the properties in white neighborhoods without a “for sale” sign.’

Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-10-08 14:26:58

I’m seeing the same thing in my nabe here in Tucson. This isn’t exactly a Hispanic nabe, although it is historically black.

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Comment by rms
2013-10-08 12:40:25

Microsoft Update: 32-patches! Payload?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 14:06:49

Lots of Gov shutdown housing chatter.

USDA Buyers Stuck in Limbo as Shutdown Hurts Housing
Bloomberg ‎- 16 hours ago
Jacob Smith, a 25-year-old Florida firefighter, wasn’t paying much attention to the U.S. government shutdown until it threw his move to a new …

Govt shutdown shuts off some expensive mortgages - CNBC.com
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101092547
by Diana Olick - in 90 Google+ circles
1 day ago - The second week of the government shutdown is giving consumers and lenders second thoughts about the housing market. Lenders last week …

The Shutdown Snarls the Mortgage Market - Businessweek
http://www.businessweek.com/…10…/the-shutdown-snarls-the-mortgage-mark...‎
1 day ago - As the U.S. government shutdown enters its second week, home buyers and sellers are learning just how big a role the federal government …

Government shutdown threatens housing market, mortgages …
http://www.marketplace.org/…/government-shutdown-threatens-housing-market-...
1 day ago - The longer the government is closed, the more housing deals could be delayed or even wrecked altogether.

Government shutdown stalls some federal home loans - WBIR.com
http://www.wbir.com/story/news/local/2013/10/06/home-loans…/2934531/
19 hours ago - The shutdown has created problems for some East Tennesseans looking to get federal home loans.

Government shutdown puts squeeze on home sales | abc7.com
abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/consumer&id=9278726
18 hours ago - The government shutdown is creating trouble in the housing market by slowing sales and making potential buyers hesitate.

Government shutdown impacts housing market | News - KCRA Home
http://www.kcra.com/news/government-shutdown…housing…/-/index.html
2 days ago - The economic impact of the government shutdown continues to grow, impacting the local housing market.

Government Shutdown Risks Hurting The Housing Recovery - Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/…/heres-how-the-government-shutdown-will-affect-ho...‎
Oct 1, 2013 - From government-backed loans to consumer confidence, here’s how the federal government’s fiscal standoffs will affect the housing market.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 15:29:18

They’ll be digging up bodies at Arlington Cemetery next.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 15:49:58

‘San Francisco-based Bank of the West is offering relief to customers furloughed during the federal government shutdown. The bank, which has branches in the Valley, is granting furloughed customers one-month deferrals on consumer loans and one-month forbearance on mortgage payments.’

I thought borrowing vast amounts of money to buy a house in California was the ticket to riches? They might need help after one just a few days? Watch em’ squeal like a pig when they are underwater.

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-10-08 16:23:24

I’ve reached the fatigue stage with all these programs. It’s absolutely sickening the lengths that the government/institutions are going to in order to keep the whole system afloat.

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Comment by MightyMike
2013-10-08 17:12:31

In this case the bank is not taking any risk. It knows that the furloughed federal employees will eventually get paid for their time off.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-10-08 17:03:50

I thought borrowing vast amounts of money to buy a house in California was the ticket to riches?

It is. Just not for the debtor.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 16:06:42

Oh dear~

Housing Demand Falls 3 Years Straight in Sacramento

http://picpaste.com/pics/f4f10bb710a0cfa21e7b3a95bb0d3ccd.1381273516.png

 
Comment by Resistor
2013-10-08 16:14:26

Well, it looks like echo bubble 1.0 is popping.

Help me out here. Was it:

June 2006 - The bubble popped
October 2013 - Echo Bubble 1 popped

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 16:19:18

I mentioned this summer that if it was a second bubble, it would last for years. If it was a dead-cat bounce in the same bubble, it would be much shorter.

Comment by Resistor
2013-10-08 18:07:22

What was the consensus, bounce or bubble?

This looks like a dead cat bounce to me as sales are mostly investors and idiots.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-10-08 19:47:23

Wasn’t that the case last time as well?

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Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 22:47:56

Yes, assuming you mean leading up to the first wave of housing bubble collapse.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2013-10-08 16:34:22

Obama thinks the Redskins should think about changing their name. Here’s how they could do it.

By Neil Irwin, Published: October 8 at 9:31 am

President Obama has weighed in. The Oneida Nation is applying direct pressure to the NFL, including at an event at the Georgetown Ritz-Carlton, to change the name of the Washington pro football franchise they view as a racist insult to Native Americans. Here’s Wonkblog’s take, from earlier this year, on the economics of why team owner Daniel Snyder and the NFL might be reluctant to change the name–and our proposal on how they can do so without ruining the value of a storied franchise.

Daniel Snyder is in a pickle.

He owns the Washington Redskins, a team with a brilliant young quarterback, decades of rich history, and, if numbers from Forbes are to be believed, a valuation of $1.56 billion, double what he paid for the team 14 years ago.

It is also a team with the most patently offensive name in pro sports. A 1999 ruling by the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board even found as much, revoking the Redskins’ trademark because it “may disparage Native Americans and bring them into contempt or disrepute.” The decision was overturned on the grounds that the lawsuit had not been pursued in a timely enough manner. D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray has suggested that he would want a name change to be part of any discussion about returning the team to the District from its current digs in Maryland.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/08/obama-thinks-the-redskins-should-think-about-changing-their-name-heres-how-they-could-do-it/ - -

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 16:50:51

‘Even as Florida’s housing market is showing solid recovery with impressive gains in prices and sales volume, the state led the nation in foreclosures completed in the year ended in August; no other state was even close, according to CoreLogic.’

‘Of the 658,463 foreclosures completed nationwide during the 12-month period, 111,000 of them, or nearly 17 percent, were in Florida. Michigan ranked No. 2, with the completion of 60,000 foreclosures, and No. 3 California wrapped up 58,000 proceedings during the period.’

‘The top five foreclosure states — which included No. 4 Texas, with 43,000 foreclosures finalized, and No. 5 Georgia, where 40,000 were finished — accounted for almost half of all foreclosures completed nationwide.’

‘And although Florida cleaned out more foreclosures than any other state, it still has the highest inventory of foreclosures, Corelogic said. The firm said 7.9 percent of mortgaged homes in Florida were in some stage of foreclosure in August. New Jersey ranked second among the states, with 6.2 percent of all its mortgaged residences in foreclosure. New York had 4.9 percent; Maine, 4.0 percent; and Connecticut, 3.9 percent.’

‘Florida also had the highest rate of seriously delinquent mortgages in August with 12.4 percent of its mortgages past due for 90 days or more.’

Gooo Blackstone! Buy buy buy!

Comment by Resistor
2013-10-08 18:11:21

The comments sections in all of the local sites have things like, “I have two these Blackstone houses in my neighborhood, and they’re both empty.”

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 16:53:01

“Countless homes remain vacant nationwide — but some cities see it as an opportunity to remake themselves”<

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/abandoned_homes_are_the_future_imaginative_ideas_turn_blight_into_beauty/

The Money Quote:

In reality, countless homes remain vacant in both cities and suburbs. Over 10 percent of the 132 million housing units in the U.S. – 14 million homes – were vacant in 2011.

Add another 10 million and we’ll start getting closer to the truth……. with another 35 MILLION that just began to empty as boomers expire.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 17:08:34

ABC NEWS cut & paste
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama will nominate Federal Reserve vice chair Janet Yellen to succeed Ben Bernanke as chairman of the nation’s central bank, the White House said Tuesday. Yellen would be the first woman to head the powerful Fed, taking over at a pivotal time for the economy and the banking industry.

Both Yellen and Bernanke are scheduled to appear with Obama at the White House on Wednesday for a formal announcement.

Bernanke’s term ends in January, completing a remarkable eight-year tenure in which he helped pull the U.S. economy out of the worst financial crisis and recession since the 1930s.

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 17:36:35

In other late-breaking news, the sun is forecast to rise in the eastern sky on the morning of October 9, 2013.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 17:40:46

Whac
Been so busy, I haven’t followed the new fed head. Why are you turning into HA’s twin?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 17:47:42

Donkey,

Why are you obsessed with controlling the conversation here?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 20:28:50

He doesn’t think paying half a mil for a nondescript ranch on a tiny lot in the swell of the biggest collapse in history is prudent.

Maybe it is “cusp”.

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Comment by phony scandals
2013-10-08 18:34:30

“In other late-breaking news, the sun is forecast to rise in the eastern sky on the morning of October 9, 2013.”

Tonight’s forecast: Dark. Continued dark throughout most of the evening, with some widely scattered light towards morning. Temperature at the airport is 88 degrees. Which is stupid, man, because I don’t know anybody who lives at the airport.

George Carlin

Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 22:54:28

Year’s forecast:

– Quantitative easing tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, with continued quantitative easing after the Souper Bowl.

– Continued Bernanke through rest of the year, with Yellen after the end of January.

– Economic temperature around 39 degrees Fahrenheit, where liquidity has maximum density.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-10-08 18:27:40

a remarkable eight-year tenure

There certainly were a lot of remarks made about him on this site during that tenure…

 
Comment by rms
2013-10-08 20:14:51

“Both Yellen and Bernanke are scheduled to appear with Obama at the White House on Wednesday for a formal announcement.”

-1 Aw shucks. I was hoping for a gentile who vowed to imprison the oligarchs, and break-up the “too big to fail” investment banks.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 18:42:41

If you take on mortgage debt at current massively inflated housing prices, you’ll enslave yourself for the rest of your life.

“Debt is bondage.”~ Suze Orman, May 11, 2013

Don’t Be A Debt Donkey®

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 18:44:32

More of the same BS.

Obama to Pick Yellen as Leader of Fed, Officials Say
New York Times - ‎21 minutes ago

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 20:22:14

Why is this BS for you? You want the US to sink in debt don’t you? This will give you solace when your Brazil Bubble goes down in flames, won’t it?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 20:36:43

Why is this BS for you?

Because it is.

You want the US to sink in debt don’t you?

No. But we’re not. Yea. We owe money that we make and we own. Think about it if you can.

This will give you solace when your Brazil Bubble goes down in flames,

This is your comment? Your “insult”? It’s as dumb as “your momma wears combat boots”. My house tripled in value. I could sell tomorrow. But I don’t GAF. Get it?

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 20:56:11

‘I could sell tomorrow.’

Click!

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-10-08 21:04:09

‘I could sell tomorrow.’

Click!

So I sell tomorrow and all the BS it entails. We know the future? LOL. Not me. Besides…life’s not all about money and prices. Life’s mostly about value…the value we derive from the life we lead and where.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-09 04:46:50

You couldn’t find a buyer for a fraction of your imaginary price. You know it and so do we.

But do hold on to that depreciating shack….. Real tight!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-10-08 18:55:38

So the shut down hits near where I live, about 50 miles away by car:

‘The National Park Service closed all 401 national parks, along with services and recreation programs, after Congress missed its deadline to prevent the first partial government shutdown in 17 years. There typically are about 18,000 visitors a day to the Grand Canyon in October, one of the peak months before the snowy winter off-season begins.’

What’s funny about this is, the Grand Canyon has to be profitable. They sit there and take money hand over fist all day:

‘Entrance Fees: (7 day pass) Private Vehicles – $25.00. Pedestrians/Cyclists – $12.00. Local regularly scheduled transit – $6.00 per person. Age 16 and under Free. Regional shuttle (within 100 miles distance) – $8.00 per person Age 16 and under Free Commercial tours: (100 miles or more distance) Vehicles with 1-25 passenger capacity – $8.00 per person Age 16 and under Free. Vehicles with 26+ passenger capacity – $300.00 per vehicle.’

Now does this not seem petty, considering they make a huge amount of money off of this park?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-10-08 19:45:45

sheeeeeeeyit…. that road has been paid for 100x over. Incredulous…..

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 20:11:59

They probably have to furlough the people collecting those monies, their wages to be paid in full shortly for sitting at home. Will essential workers be there to threaten you if you try to peek at the Canyon?

 
 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-10-08 19:18:21

Thinking of using a strobe light (on low) for effect on Halloween night. I am concerned about photosensitive epilepsy (seizure) liability.
Lots of little kids around here, along w/ teens. I guess the risk goes down with age. Any feedback?

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-10-08 19:56:53

Be more concerned about the children than your liability?

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 23:01:31

Republican death eaters are sucking the life out of the global economy.

Default risk a ‘giant taser’, says Alcoa chief - Financial Times

The threat that the US might refuse to raise the debt ceiling is a “giant taser” freezing confidence in the world economy, Klaus Kleinfeld, chief executive of Alcoa, the US aluminium group, has warned.

 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 23:05:12

Oct. 9, 2013, 12:02 a.m. EDT
Ted Cruz, tea party’s Miley Cyrus ‘Wrecking Ball’
Commentary: Two superstars shaking up old systems fast
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — No, Ted Cruz is not just a child throwing a temper tantrum. And the freshman Republican senator from Texas won’t disappear after cookies, a hug and nap. Cruz is also not the “Distinguished Wacko Bird,” diagnosed by GQ magazine. Cruz is supershrewd, capitalizing on the media spotlight. Say what you want, like a rock star once told me about bad press, “please spell my name right.”

Think Miley Cyrus. Her new No. 1 hit single, “Wrecking Ball.” Miley and Ted are two wrecking balls shaking up a stodgy old system. Both are growing up before our eyes. Not just competing in Hollywood and Washington. They’re suddenly worldwide media celebs in the spotlight, on parallel stages, both rocketing to fame, fortune and real power. Bring it on!

No matter how much the liberal media labels, diagnoses and degrades Cruz, as they say in the music industry, is topping the charts, he’s No. 1 with a bullet!

Cruz and Cyrus, two media geniuses, both No. 1 with a bullet!

Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-10 11:19:22

I’ll rethink my Tea Party support when Cruz goes on stage twerking…

 
 
Comment by Whac-a-Bubble™
2013-10-08 23:08:33

Oct. 8, 2013, 4:51 p.m. EDT
One-month T-bill yield rises to highest since 2008
Longer-term Treasurys remain in demand after 3-year note auction
By Ben Eisen

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Yields on one-month Treasury bills spiked Tuesday after a lackluster auction. The short-term debt, which is most sensitive to a hike in the nation’s borrowing limit, has been building in a risk premium due to the debt-ceiling standoff in Washington.

The Treasury Department has a number of one-month bills (1_MONTH +2.90%) maturing just after the federal government is slated to hit its borrowing limit on October 17, increasing the still-minimal risk of a delay in payments on the debt. That risk pushed up the one-month yield by 17.5 basis points Tuesday to 0.330%, its highest level since the fall of 2008. Yields move inversely to prices.

That spike in yields becomes even more extraordinary when considering that the last time the one-month bill yield was this high, the Federal Reserve wasn’t holding down its short-term interest rates. It reflects the growing a risk that liquidity could drain from the market, according to Zach Pandl, senior interest-rate strategist at Columbia Management.

“Investors think of Treasury bills as a substitute for cash, and the worst thing that can happen for the Treasury bill market is to have any kind of payment delay,” he said.

The commotion in the Treasury bill market captured the attention of President Barack Obama, who said Tuesday in a press conference that, “there comes a point in which if the Treasury cannot hold auctions to sell Treasury bills, we do not have enough money coming in to pay all our bills on time.”

The markets are expecting lawmakers to reach an agreement on a spending bill and debt-ceiling hike before running up against the borrowing limit. But a debt-ceiling deal with no strings attached is looking less likely this week, according to news reports. Olivier Blanchard of the International Monetary Fund said a U.S. failure to raise the debt ceiling would be a “major event”.

The Treasury Department sold $30 billion of the one-month bills at a high yield of 0.350%, which is a jump from the 0.120% yield on last week’s auction. Bidders offered to buy 2.75 times the amount of debt for sale, the smallest bid since March of 2009. Indirect bidders purchased 31.0% of the bills while direct bidders bought another 8.9%.

“The Street is hesitant to position paper in that area, because whatever minuscule chance there is, you don’t want to be sitting there holding that paper,” said Thomas Roth, director of government trading at Mitsubishi UFJ Securities U.S.A. Inc.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-10-08 23:13:43

I just read the political BS from last night. I only have one point to those pointing to the popular election as evidence of an Obama “mandate”.

If Obamacare was the will of the people throughout the US, Obama wouldn’t have lost the House to people running on a “repeal Obamacare” platform.

Sam Zell said it very well today (a comment that I agree with):

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Zell said: “The way in which this is being postured is as though the president sits on high and says, ‘I will not negotiate.’ And everybody is expected to lay down. I don’t understand that.”

“What makes this man different than anyone else?” he asked. “The president is elected to negotiate.”

“We treat the tea party like they are some kind of disease, and the very same thing on the other side the press don’t even cover it,” continued Zell, chairman of Equity Group Investments. “Can you imagine the press vilifying the ACLU?”

Zell said he’s “not a big tea party fan at all,” but added that they are “significant percent of the voting population” with a “right to have a view.”

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Don’t you think every tea party Republican who was voted into office on a “repeal Obamacare” platform has a legitimate claim that their “mandate” from their voters (who they represent) is to fight to repeal Obamacare?

Comment by Northeastener
2013-10-10 11:26:39

Don’t you think every tea party Republican who was voted into office on a “repeal Obamacare” platform has a legitimate claim that their “mandate” from their voters (who they represent) is to fight to repeal Obamacare?

Yes, and said as much in many posts regarding the topic here.

 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2013-10-09 06:39:35

+12

 
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