An Opportunity To Lose A Lot Of Money
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “One of Mark Carney’s first goals when he took over as Governor of the Bank of England in July was to build confidence among businesses and consumers that they could count on low interest rates being around for a while. The British are borrowing all right; trouble is, it seems to be mostly homebuyers. U.K. house prices which took flight this year have now surpassed the vertigo-inducing levels achieved in early 2008 as rock-bottom-interest rates inflated a bubble that promptly collapsed a year later.”
“It is interesting to note that many of the factors now in play in the U.K. housing market were very much in evidence in this country during Mr. Carney’s tenure at the Bank of Canada. It was a recovery built on real estate borrowing by consumers and one of the unintended consequences is that consumers are now buried under record debt. Is Canada going to regret its real estate mania? Will Britain? The jury is still out.”
“A top Federal Reserve official said on Thursday he is seeing fresh signs of a U.S. ‘housing bubble’ and warned about the central bank’s ongoing purchases of mortgage-based bonds. ‘I’m beginning to see signs not just in my district but across the country that we are entering, once again, a housing bubble,’ Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher told reporters. ‘So that leads me … to be very cautious about our mortgage-backed securities purchase program. No one knows when the bubble pops. But I would argue that … with each dollar we buy in Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities, we’re getting closer to the tipping point.’”
“In August, Broward County’s median price of $270,500 was up 26 percent from a year ago, according to the Greater Fort Lauderdale Realtors. Prices have been going up just over a year now after a six-year downtown and have reached comparable levels to 2008 median prices. Investors get the credit. Because of the strong competition, many of these funds often overpay for homes, said Jack McCabe, a Deerfield Beach housing analyst. ‘They have money in their war chests that they have to return to the investors if they don’t use it,’ McCabe said. ‘As long as they’re buying properties for less than they cost in 2006 or 2007, they feel like they’re getting a deal.’”
“Buyers in the tens of thousands are discovering that in 2013 there are plentiful ways to buy a home with little savings. A sweet deal for some buyers are mortgages backed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. These loans can cover 100% of the cost of a home, which has to be in a ‘rural area,’ but much of the country falls within that definition. ‘Now is the time to take advantage of leverage,’ said New York associate broker Ray Schmitz with Rutenberg Realty. He added that he is seeing an increasing number of deals involving small downpayments and economics is on the side of those buyers. ‘This is a great time to borrow.’”
“Recently, the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) said it needs $1.7bn to cover losses, the first taxpayer-funded bailout in the organization’s 79-year history. To put that in perspective, if FHA were held to the same standards as private mortgage insurers, it would be insolvent to the tune of $25bn. For decades FHA’s underwriting practices have put families into homes they can’t afford. By financing failure, FHA has made foreclosures commonplace. One in eight families getting an FHA loan from 1975 to 2011 has already been or will end up in foreclosure.”
“FHA continues to sell hope and deliver harm by pushing families into homes they can’t afford, saddling them with loans that barely build equity. By tolerating such a high failure rate, families are left in financial ruin and communities are left reeling.”
“Southern California home buyers have apparently had their fill of bidding wars, home shortages and double-digit price hikes. Even as listings rose, sales tumbled. The stall is owed to multiple factors: buyer fatigue over skyrocketing prices, higher mortgage rates, an expanding supply of homes and a pullback by investors who had swarmed the market. Sellers have gotten a ‘wake-up call,’ said Steven Thomas of ReportsOnHousing.com. Asking prices have been trimmed, traffic at open houses has slowed and multiple offers are harder to attract. ‘It’s like everyone dialed it down,’ he said.”
“Even homes in good locations and priced right are sometimes languishing on the market longer, South Bay real estate agent David Keller said. ‘It should go pretty quick, and then it doesn’t,’ he said.”
“People looking to flip houses and make a profit in the Richmond area may have lost their opportunity. With an average flipped price of $231,244, real estate investors realized an average loss of $50,019, RealtyTrac reported. Investors sometimes get caught up in a buying frenzy, where they feel they need to purchase a property, said Daren Blomquist, VP of RealtyTrac. ‘This should serve as a caution that profits are not guaranteed in flipping houses,’ Blomquist said. ‘There’s an opportunity to lose a lot of money.’”
“An oversupply of inner-city apartments could see Melbourne underperform the other major capital cities in terms of house price rises over the next three years. BIS Shrapnel managing director Robert Mellor said Melbourne still had a ”lot of supply of inner-city apartments in the CBD, Docklands and Southbank coming on to the market over the next 18 months.’ The firm expects Melbourne’s median house price to rise to $605,000 by June 2016, from $569,000 now.”
“Property in high-end rental markets in some cities, particularly Lagos and Abuja, remain vacant for months and sometimes, years. Operators in the build-to-let market are anxious because they may not receive rental returns as earlier projected. ‘There is vacancy in every segment of the market. We have properties that are in the market for a long time, particularly when they are distressed,’ said a real estate sector player, Opus Wonodi.”
“Singapore is showing the rest of Asia how to cool a housing bubble. The government this year ramped up efforts to bring down property prices that surged to a record, adopting some of its strictest measures. ‘The government has enacted all these measures quite early,’ Vikrant Pandey, a Singapore-based analyst at the securities unit of Southeast Asia’s third-largest lender, United Overseas Bank Ltd. (UOB), said. ‘They want to contain a bubble from reaching levels where it brings down the whole system.’”
“”It is no wonder that laments or curiosity of how the other side of Malaysia lives is constantly heard. Skyrocketing property prices, high end dining options and glossy shopping malls swarming with international labels seems to be a norm for a portion of the population, while significantly out of reach for the others. We are seeing massive development projects, especially in Kuala Lumpur and the Iskandar region of Johor. The property market was encouraged to rise and prosper.”
“The massive pumping of capital-laden sectors, like real estate, should not be a prime driver of Malaysia’s economy. Housing is a necessity, by making it a difficult attainment it would have lower the livability of cities as well as the disposable income of the citizens, making the definition of poor even wider. And most importantly, it did not foster organic growth. The jobs it created for Malaysians are minute, the wealth it distributed are fairly concentrated, and the little white collar Malaysians that are involved in the sector are most likely victims of the viscous cycle, if not the speculators perpetuating it.”
“Certainly we could do better than just building houses for the sake of growth like a monopoly board game.”
Houses are always an opportunity to lose money. A lot of it. Just ask the 30 million fools who made the error of being a house over the last 15 years.
If you buy a house now, you are going to loose alot of money — ALOT!
“It was a recovery built on real estate borrowing by consumers and one of the unintended consequences is that consumers are now buried under record debt.”
“… one of the unintended consequences … consumers are now buried under record debt.”
“Unintended consequences.” Lol.
I love the sound of this so early in the morning. It sounds like …
VICTORY!
“Prices have been going up just over a year now … investors get the credit.”
Investors will get the shaft.
“Because of the strong competition many of these funds often overpay for homes.”
No big deal, it’s not as if the guys running the funds are doing this with their own money.
“They have money in their war chests that they have to return to investors if they don’t use it.”
Oh, the horror.
These fund guys spend - what? - thousands of dollars? tens of thousands of dollars? collecting money from “investors” (choke) so as to buy houses (and to get their cut) and they will have to return this money to these investors (another choke) if they don’t spend it?
Ha ha. Is there anyone here at this message board that does not understand the incentive that is behind the driving up of these prices?
What’s neat about rising prices is the fund guys get to show prospective investors (aka fresh money) just how smart they are and how they, the prospective investors, need to plop down their fresh money so as to get on the bandwagon instead of being left behind.
Whip out a computer generated chart with a rising solid line that reflects rising prices (much of the rise they, the fund guys, were able to cause all by themselves by their buying above asking prices) and then change this SOLID rising line into a BROKEN (broken = projected) rising line that rises … and rises … and rises … forever!
the whole system only works if prices continue going up. why do you think so much money was created to bail out all the banks?
“the whole system only works if prices continue going up.”
Why do you think some of us are entirely certain that another wave of collapse lies in store, similar to the fate of every other Ponzi scheme in the history of mankind?
I hear you brother. But you can waste a lot of time sitting around talking about it too.
We know the ultimate outcome but in the meantime you need to make some cash.
Learn to play the game.
Exactly. Hold onto your cash. You’re going to need it in ways you cannot imagine.
We know the ultimate outcome but in the meantime you need to make some cash.
Some of us are capable of making an honest living.
When these funds “cash out” and dump tens of thousands of homes on the market woe be unto the folks who bought into phase II of the bubble!
“Investors will get the shaft.”
Oh no…ALL of them will race through the exit door of the flaming theater in time to avoid getting burned.
NONE of them will get stucco.
“It is interesting to note that many of the factors now in play in the U.K. housing market were very much in evidence in this country during Mr. Carney’s tenure at the Bank of Canada.”
What a curious coincidence!
“It was a recovery built on real estate borrowing by consumers and one of the unintended consequences is that consumers are now buried under record debt. Is Canada going to regret its real estate mania? Will Britain? The jury is still out.”
Will Carney move on to another part of the British Empire to blow another real estate bubble after blowing them in the United Kingdom and Canada?
What a painfully neutral, mainstream financial media analysis. How can any jury be out on whether real estate manias are regrettable? Are people that hesitant now?
“The massive pumping of capital-laden sectors, like real estate, should not be a prime driver of Malaysia’s economy.”
“Certainly we could do better than just building houses for the sake of growth like a monopoly board game.”
Given how well it works in the U.S., why wouldn’t it also work in Malaysia?
‘So that leads me … to be very cautious about our mortgage-backed securities purchase program. No one knows when the bubble pops. But I would argue that … with each dollar we buy in Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities, we’re getting closer to the tipping point.’
The beauty of the next wave of housing bubble collapse is that the Fed has it peremptorily contained, as the mortgage bonds that support the bubble are already subsumed in the Fed’s balance sheet.
“With an average flipped price of $231,244, real estate investors realized an average loss of $50,019, RealtyTrac reported.”
Some flips are flops.
The use of unbounded averages can suggest misleading conclusions.
“A sweet deal for some buyers are mortgages backed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. These loans can cover 100% of the cost of a home, which has to be in a ‘rural area,’ but much of the country falls within that definition.”
Just how rural is Daytona Beach? What crop do they grow there — coconut palms?
USDA Buyers Stuck in Limbo as Shutdown Hurts Housing
By Prashant Gopal & Kathleen M. Howley - Oct 8, 2013 10:15 AM PT
Jacob Smith, a 25-year-old Florida firefighter, wasn’t paying much attention to the U.S. government shutdown until it threw his move to a new three-bedroom home near Daytona Beach into limbo.
Smith was ready to complete the purchase Oct. 1, the day the closure began. Now he has to wait until the Department of Agriculture reopens its mortgage business. For now, Smith’s landlord is allowing him to stay in his one-bedroom rental, crammed with boxes and furniture meant for the larger property. His builder, Adams Homes of Gulf Breeze, Florida, said it has about 10 other customers on the east coast of the state with purchases also on hold.
“It’s pretty ridiculous,” Smith said. “It seems rare that what you see on the news is directly affecting you. Hopefully it will end soon.”
USDA loans account for about 132,000 mortgages a year in areas designated by the agency as rural, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. While they make up just 1.4 percent of the U.S. mortgage market, the product is one of the few available that allow zero-down payment loans and are an early warning of how the government’s first partial closing in 17 years could put a drag on the wider housing market.
“This is going to be devastating for people in the middle of getting USDA loans and for the communities that rely on the loans to support their housing markets,” said Camden Fine, president and chief executive officer of the Independent Community Bankers of America. “Everything has ground to a halt until the agency opens for business again.”
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So why doesn’t he get a regular mortgage?
“the product is one of the few available that allow zero-down payment loans”
Oh, that’s why.
It’s funny, though, reading stories from down under, where buyers need to come up with 100K down payments (or “deposits” as they call them). Yet even with those kinds of requirements, they have a bubble even uglier than ours.
Here’s some food for thought: In Mexico, the word for down payment on a loan is “enganche”, which comes from the verb “enganchar” which means “to hook” or “to trap”.
Mexicans also refer to being in debt as being “endrogado” - “drugged”.
I believe they grow meth and marijuana.
Excellent point! Those agricultural products are characteristic of rural America if any are.
I’m with you stucco. If there are enough houses around to have a “community” of houses for $162K (Jacob Smith’s price) and a need to prop up a “housing market,” that doesn’t exactly sound rural. At most, rural should be Oil-City-ish towns.
The inland part of Volusia County, west of I-95, is thinly-settled except for DeLand, so perhaps that area would be legitimately rural. There used to be some ranching around there.
“By financing failure, FHA has made foreclosures commonplace.”
Are you suggesting that the government is actually inflicting pain and suffering?
“Because of the strong competition, many of these funds often overpay for homes”
So did everyone else who bought a house 1998-current.
A distinction without a difference.
It’s a been a deflationary spiral since 2008 and the scope of which is widening and deepening as are the personal financial risks.
Don’t be taken advantage of. DO NOT borrow… especially for a depreciating asset like a house….. and continue stockpiling cash. You’re going to need every penny you can get your hands on.
The only way to limit your losses as a result of buying a house in the last 15 years is to get what you can get for your houses today because its going to be much less later for decades to come.
What do you suggest people do? Rent for the next 20 years? Buy land, take a contractors course and nail their own house together? Live in a motor home? Get a federal land claim and pay $140 per year and pitch a tent on it until real estate tanks?
A car forever loses value, too (and you most likely outspend the cost of the car in fuel and maintenance) - yet almost everyone has one.
You preach over and over that people overpaid since the late 90’s and that no house is worth today’s prices - but the fact of the matter is that housing is a basic necessity. You have to live somewhere.
For once, give an explanation of what you think people should do instead of posting your one liners about the doom and gloom of the real estate market.
aww how cute…. same rusty old rhetoric, new username.
A car forever loses value, too (and you most likely outspend the cost of the car in fuel and maintenance) - yet almost everyone has one.
You should pay double the price for a car?
You have to live somewhere.
A statement made by a certain group that are known liars.
This particular lie has been exposed time and time again here. I’m just going to let this one hang out there for everyone to see.
For once, give an explanation of what you think people should do instead of posting your one liners about the doom and gloom of the real estate market.
Selective reading again? Falling housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is gloom?
Carry on Liar.
So, the FHA needs $1.7 B to keep the gears turning. Does that mean the Fed will simply increase it’s MBS purchases from $85 B a month to $86.7 B? Why not $151.7 B?
It’s all relative. Ctrl=P is the agenda. It always is in a Fiat Based Economic System.
wake me up when prices get to 7/2005 levels
08 was tank city
‘Home values are finally starting to cool as a year of explosive growth marches to its end. ‘Far from being a negative sign, we’re relieved to see more noticeable signs of cooling in the market,” Zillow chief economist Stan Humphries said in a release. “If home values continued to rise as they have, relatively unchecked, we would almost certainly be headed into another bubble cycle, and nobody wants that.’
‘At the end of the third quarter, the national pace of monthly home value appreciation has fallen in each of the past three months, and was negative in New York City (-.2 percent), San Diego (-1.2 percent), Los Angeles (-1.1 percent) and San Francisco (-0.1 percent) and Seattle (-.1 percent).’
‘nobody wants that’
Well Stan, you cheer leaded your way into this situation and now you’ll have to eat your words on the way down. Geronimo!
Yes. The dead cat bounce is over and Humphrey and the other cheerleading a$$hats still don’t know enough to STFU. They yammer away mindless, moronic platitudes incessantly.
35% up……0.1% down. That is not really a correction. A healthy indicator, yes.
Down 55%, up 35%, down and falling.
Indeed falling housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is a healthy indication.
Hold your cash and watch housing prices sink to lower levels.
This comment is ringing in my ears, and likely will be forever:
Housing Analyst, “Exactly. Hold onto your cash. You’re going to need it in ways you cannot imagine.”
I have a great imagination.
It’s not a comforting thing.
In the background: “Yea, something the Valley of the Shadow of Death….”
…And that Geronimo comment might kick around for awhile too.