The Housing Bubble

Palo Verdes nuke plant in Arizona is loved by us in Arizona. Not built on a fault line. Generating lots of clean energy. Phoenix air would be much dirtier if it was not for the nuclear plant. 50 miles west of Phoenix near Tonopah, Az.

Arizona a great place to put nuclear power, your precious metals, and own guns.

i know there’s a tremendous backlash against nuclear right now.

japan built their reactors right on a nuclear fault line that they knew about. on top of that the design was cheap, not safe. and add to that that fukushima is an on going disaster.

same with chernobyl. no one but statist bureaucrats would have built that graphite plant. but it was ‘cheaper’.

nuclear can be made extremely safe now. check out the new pebble bed reactors. nuclear is the most power dense supply we have and maybe ever will have. with all the new power demands on the way, we need nuclear to keep the lights on. we at least need it to help transition to solar over the years.

with all that said, fukushima is far from over. and i don’t think we’re being told the truth about how much radiation is being released, nor how bad this can yet get.

the whole world should have been helping japan get fukushima under control. especially the russians with their experience.

“with all that said, fukushima is far from over. and i don’t think we’re being told the truth about how much radiation is being released, nor how bad this can yet get.”

BINGO

Not only is buying a house in CA a financial death sentence, it’s a physical one too.

Why do you guys all hate capitalism?

Why do you allow us to live in your head rent free?

those poor people in japan have been lied to by their government. many are going to get sick..

we don’t yet know how much this is going to affect the rest of the world.

Why do you guys all hate capitalism?

why do you hate big government??

Harvey Wasserman…..no nukes org

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/20116-chernobyl-was-transparent-compared-to-fukushima-harvey-wasserman-on-the-ongoing-crisis

from uranium we could move on to thorium which is 6 times more abundant than uranium. it is also safer and cleaner and will actually burn up nuclear waste. imagine that, using nuclear to clean up nuclear.

there are a few technical issues yet with thorium, but they will be solved. in the meantime, we need uranium. to thrive we need a cheap, stable power source. the cheaper and more reliable it is, the better off we will be.

Uranus is said to contain copious amounts of natural gas.

there are a few technical issues yet with thorium, but they will be solved.

Unfortunately, they’ll probably be solved by the Chinese, rather than by us.

And note that the only reason that there are still “a few technically issues” remaining is because the US gov decided to de-fund (thus suppressing) the thorium-salt reactor technology almost 40yrs ago. The reasons are varied and arguable but my personal belief is that it was killed because it was TOO clean—e.g. the competing fast-breeder technology was considered a better fit for the cold war, which needed a source of fuel for nuclear weapons production.

It is nice to see the resurgence in MSR technology, though.

“Maintenance of the electric infrastructure is included in the price of power.”

No it is not included in the rate. It’s a separate and distinct charge every single month regardless of demand.

And it’s a rip off.

Maintenance of the electric infrastructure is included in the price of power.

then make it a single price that’s easy to calculate and track.

In this scenario if a customer is not using electricity but is still connected (has a meter, electric loop, maybe a service pole etc) they will not be paying for their own infrastructure maintenance.

do you guys want to sell electricity or not? if you do, then accept the maintenance. plan ahead and know that there will be occasionally situations like this. you act like it’s a privilege to buy from you guys. you know what i want? i want you to get rid of the regulatory boards and welcome competition? wouldn’t that be nice? and don’t tell me it would drive up prices, because i know that it would do exactly the opposite.

Also, you are assuming most utilities are buddy buddy with their regulators which is not the case. Some of these relationships are outright hostile.

i covered the ones you’re hostile with. you bamboozle the dumbed down citizens into thinking you need the rate hikes to survive. why not just open it up to all comers for competition? the lines in existence have really been paid for by consumers already, so whoever can produce the cheapest power gets to use them. i wonder how many competitors would spring up around you?

i’m really tired of government protected monopolies like you guys. wanna live in a free country? learn to accept competition as a fact of life that you boys can’t circumvent.

Well its included in my rate. I do not have a separate maintenance fee added onto my bill. This will vary depending on each utility and public service commission.

So if your consumption is ZERO kWatts in any month, your bill is ZERO dollars for that month?

I own a property that I’m fixing up where I have had Zero consumption in certain months. The house is fitted with remotely operated switch on the AC condenser unit which I am given credits for. I have had months where I have received credits with no charges.

What is the name of your utility?

BGE

Standard Delivery charge for residential service is $7.50/month and the lights haven’t even been turned on yet.

http://www.bge.com/myaccount/billsrates/ratestariffs/electricservice/electric%20services%20rates%20and%20tariffs/p3_sch_r.pdf

You have some type of temp service. Not typical residential service.

Anyways, what’s the $7.50/month for?

Personally, I think it makes good sense to separate the grid (and grid maintenance) from the delivery of power via the grid.

Common infrastructure should be operated for the common good—e.g. not owned by a for-profit company. That is the primary mistake made in the way that most regulated utilities are structured.

The grid is a public good, and should be owned by the public; it should be operated as a not-for-profit utility.

It is reasonable to pay a small fee to connect to the grid—after all, you are gaining a benefit from being connected, in the form of gaining access to all of the energy suppliers who are also connected to the grid.

Any power-supplier should be able to deliver power to the consumer through the grid.

Many of the ills of the current model are due to the fact that we tie together the grid, and maintenance of the grid, with a single power provider—and then let the entire combined beast act as a for-profit company. Regulation attempts to, but can’t really make up for the structural problems of this form.

By separating these two different functions (infrastructure, vs service provided over the infrastructure), the problems are addressed structurally; the result is that little-to-no regulation would be required.

i want you to get rid of the regulatory boards and welcome competition?

but you only want one set of utilty poles

also you would rather that the “competition” supplied alternating current, in phase and at the same voltage

up until 2005, Consolidated Edison supplied some customers with direct current.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents

Realtors are educated, certified professionals, who must pass a series of examinations that are more difficult than the bar, CPA, and CFA combined. ‘

hahahaha you’re funny

“continue working to help home buyers, because what Realtors love most is helping people.”

Hopefully after reading that comment, those of you who have been arguing with Amy as if she’s serious will stop.

On what planet is helping people destroy their future household financial stability a beneficial service?

Hopefully after reading that comment, those of you who have been arguing with Amy as if she’s serious will stop.

Personally, I’ve found it quite delightful to watch the interchange between an obvious tongue-in-cheek tweeker persona with those who take it as though it were serious, and respond—that’s the entire beauty of it!

Amy Hoakum and his ilk assume that if you don’t waste 40% of your income on a mortgage, then you will throw the money down the toilet. Investing isn’t part of his vocabulary.

I pay $300 less on a mortgage in Phoenix for a house that’s bigger than my old apt

hahaha. I make typo.

Current price of the stock is well above $30!

Sweet !!

You also have a ski slope in your backyard, and an Olympic-sized swimming pool, and a mansion with a view, and your particular house did not drop in value at all, even though all the other houses in that city dropped in value by a lot, and you don’t even have to think about whether you are making or losing money because you have so much of it, and only a very small percentage of losers in the USA are affected by finances anyway, and the rest of us are just crazy.

PS: You lie like a fly, and you get paid to do it.

LOLZ.

Ski slopes in Atlanta…….

I don’t have a ski slope…I have several acres of land, some of which is sloped. And since it’s sloped, it can be used to ski on. A mansion? Wouldn’t go that far. A view? Indeed…a fantastic view. I know this is a hard concept to fathom for someone who lives in a 1 bedroom urban apartment with a view of a parking lot or a freeway, but trust me, it’s not that uncommon.

Olympic sized pool? Hardly. It’s 25 feet long.

In the real world millions of people live like me….nice house, a pool, a view, etc. You need to get out more.

Slithers = phony.

Sure thing Slithers.

Uncle Fed - really? Damm, you got it bad don’t you?

“A view? Indeed…a fantastic view.”

I know that the Rathdrum Prairie has vista views at ground level. Also, a C185 only needs 1200-ft of dirt runway.

Slithers:

If you would bother reading and responding to the comments that people have actually been making over the past couple years, then you would know that I don’t live in an apartment. I live primarily in an 1800 sq ft house on 2.5 acres with a three-car garage, a woodshed, and a …VIEW! It’s a nice place.

I also have a second house (an adorable cottage) that I rent in the city where i work. That one is tax-deductible.

I like it that you are suddenly downplaying your ridiculous claims though, now that they have been called out as such. RIDICULOUS. How much snow do you guys get in Atlanta?

He dishes out his own snow perhaps.

My admittedly simplistic understanding of how short selling works is that the short seller borrows stock and sells it with a promise to return the borrowed shares within some agreed time window. If the market price falls below the price at which the short seller sold, then he can buy the shares back at a lower price, return them to the brokerage where he borrowed them, and pocket the spread.

But this seems to depend on having somebody “long” the shares willing to sell to shorty at a lower price than at which shorty sold. I’m not clear whose shares shorty buys at the lower price in your version of the story.

I’m not clear whose shares shorty buys at the lower price in your version of the story.

If you think about it, it could be anybody’s share that the short buys to close out—even the shares being sold by someone else just going short.

Yes, but how did “someone else just going short” acquire his shares at a discount to what shorty paid? Somewhere along the line between when shorty borrowed and sold and when he covered, a long lost money on his shares. Otherwise shorty lost money.

Yes, but how did “someone else just going short” acquire his shares at a discount to what shorty paid?

By “someone else just going short”, I meant a different investor entering into a new short position; someone entering a short position hasn’t paid anything for his shares yet—he merely borrowed them.

“…someone entering a short position hasn’t paid anything for his shares yet—he merely borrowed them.”

He has to sell them to ‘be short’ then buy them back at a lower price to make money. Meanwhile the guy who bought them, or someone further down the sales chain from him, has to lose money on price decline for the short to make money.

Housing- The time to sell has passed. Limit your losses and escape now.

But you’ll know when the time to sell is, and you will be able to get your money out before the really big losses accrue.

“But you’ll know when the time to sell is, and you will be able to get your money out before the really big losses accrue.”

I’ve done pretty well over the past 15 years. I saw the dot com meltdown early enough and bailed. I was a little later than I had hoped in 2008 but I got back in early enough in 2009 to more than make up for it.

Nobody can predict this stuff exactly. The key is to ride the waves both up and down. Staying on the sidelines screaming about crashes is the sure way to never make any money.

“Staying on the sidelines screaming about crashes is the sure way to never make any money.”

That works with securities sometimes but remember… with housing, it’s always a loss.

Got cash?

“There will be a time to sell. That time is not now.”

Certainly too late in the sun belt. Up north, don’t know. But the fed’s easy money is drying-up, so the $30k millionaire bag-holders will be tougher to snare.

Historically real estate depreciates. Always has, always will.

“Historically real estate appreciates 1% above inflation.”

Before — holding — costs (and I repeat myself).

But some birds are smart enough to learn the names of colors and shapes. I saw a video of a bird dancing and singing along to a Christmas carol. I’m not sure if Ms. Hoax could qualify for the bird-brain cert.

“Do hermaphrodites pole dance?!”

Are you telling me that camel has no toe?

Slithers:

If you like your policy, then you can keep your policy. Other than that, it’s illegal in the United States for an insurance company to sell a policy that is not Obamacare-compliant.

Let’s try again…

There are policies inside the exchanges and outside. They are all Obamacare compliant.

The ones inside the exchanges don’t have any doctors in their networks. They cost less and are eligible for subsidies.

The ones outside the exchanges cost more and have a wide network of doctors. They are not eligible for subsidies.

It’s not that complicated.

“The ones outside the exchanges cost more and have a wide network of doctors. They are not eligible for subsidies.”

+1 And my family’s PPO is going up 18% next week, IIRC. Frankly I’m surprised the business peeps like Bezos don’t rally in my favor because I have less to spend elsewhere as a consumer.

Slithers:

Do you see my knuckles dragging on the ground? No? That’s because I’m not as dumb as you.

To make it simple: “Any health insurance right now in the United States is Obamacare. The exchanges themselves are not the definition of the law. They are only one part of the law.”

Nothing wrong with making 200k . 200k is a low mid-range of contractor pay. People in management for gov’t contractors make much more than that, several muliples of what feds with decades of experience make. There is something wrong with paying people 200k when you could get the same level of skill for half that price. The amount of waste and fraud in contractor billing is also staggering.

For example, you’ll see talented, dedicated feds like polly making 1/2 what private practice lawyers with just 3-5 yrs experience make, despite polly having MUCH more substantive experience, more contacts, and more responsibility for making big decisions. And the costs for the private practice lawyers are passed along to the gov’t because the contractors include it in their overhead and expenses.

Snowden was making 200k with a top security clearance even though his ONLY experience was working for gov’t contractors — he had no leadership position, no relevant prior experience, and was basically just someone who could pass a security clearance and sit in a seat for Booz Allen who paid him 200k and billed the gov’t 2x that amount for his services.

The “conservatives” here are a real joke when it comes to actually having an efficient yet meaningful government.

Yeah those poor govt employees, always so underpaid and under appreciated. Why I even hear they only get 9 weeks vacation these days and have to work until 55 to retire with full benefits/pension. The horror of it all.

Someone should start a telethon for them or something.

“Why I even hear they only get 9 weeks vacation these days…”

Reference, please.

“By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

At a time when workers’ pay and benefits have stagnated, federal employees’ average compensation has grown to more than double what private sector workers earn, a USA TODAY analysis finds. Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available. The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.”

Tell me again how govt workers are under paid…..

VACATION/SICK DAYS: For your first 3 years of service you earn vacation at 4 hours per pay period (26 pay periods per year) for a total of 13 days. After 3 years of service you earn 6 hours per pay period and adjusted to total 20 days per year. After 15 years service you earn 8 hours per pay period or 26 days a year. For part-time employees, leave earned is prorated. You may accumulate 30 days and carry it over from year to year. However, any time earned over the 30 days you must use or lose. Sick leave is accrued at 4 hours per pay period (13 days per year) and does not change with length of service.”

26 days vacation plus 13 days sick leave = 39 days = 7.8 weeks.

Add to that the number of paid holidays govt workers get paid and it’s well over 9 weeks of paid time off.

“Tell me again how govt workers are under paid…”

I notice you conveniently omitted the date on that article you posted. How many years ago was it written? Cause last time I checked, the federal workforce had a pay freeze in place for several years running.

It’s 10 paid holidays. So a total of 49 days paid off a year for govt employees. 10 weeks of vacation. Which means every govt employee. Put it another way, on any given day, 19% of govt employees are not working, yet getting paid. Although in fairness to them, nobody knows the difference when a govt employee is at work or at home.

Sick leave equals vacation and 7.8 weeks = 9 weeks in your alternative reality, eh?

7.8 weeks = 9 weeks

Yes, it would have been more accurate to have called it “Paid Time Off” rather than “vacation”—but perhaps he should have just rounded it up to ten weeks as well. 7.8wks + ten paid federal holidays = 9.8wks, not 9wks. That is a lot of time off!

So far as I am aware, full-time federal employment positions are subject to open bidding. Perhaps even Slithers could qualify, given how massively overpaid he seems to think the federal workforce is.

Well if you’re so sure about it, you should be able to make millions of dollars from your expertise. Yet here you are whining about it and staying on the sidelines as usual. So brave of you.

I don’t come on here and boast about my financial acumen like you do, Eddie. We know you have a boatload of Atlanta investment properties and a bevy of S&P500 mutual fund shares. We’ll also know when you are losing your shirt in the next downdraft, though I expect you to stop posting around that time like you did during the last downdraft.

There’s a difference between gambling your life savings and gambling the company money.

That’s interesting… we’ve never heard Whac a bubble whine…. not even once.

Why do you think that is Slithers?

If you’re sure the collapse is coming it’s not gambling. You guys talk the big talk. And that’s all….talk.

What collapse are you talking about Slithers?

Mr. Smithers: If you’re sure the collapse is coming it’s not gambling. You guys talk the big talk. And that’s all….talk.

Hedge Fund Vs. Index Fund: A Comparison - Forbes - Hedgies aren’t making big, risky plays with their own money.

Monkeys actually do better than the experts says one study, not merely as well as them. - Forbes

There are those who are good at blackjack and good at picking horses. But the reason the House consistently makes a lot of money and virtually no one gets wealthy from gambling is that while these folks crow about their successes, they keep their losses just between them and the House.

Where Are The Customers’ Yachts? (published 1940) “refers to an ancient story (which the author finds is probably at least 100 years old by now) about a visitor to New York who admired the yachts that the bankers and brokers had in the harbor. Naively, he then asked where the customers’ yachts were. Naturally, there were no customers’ yachts.”

Gamblers win and lose but it’s the House - the betting infrastructure - that consistently makes the money.

“One group just happens to use blacks and other “minorities” against the other group.”

As shock troops, if you will.
But it’s not a race war, because no one will be more servile in the prosecution of this individual than some white elitist toady.

You’re right. It’s legal in one county in Nevada. I forgot about that.

It is illegal in two counties and legal in all the other counties of Nevada.

You might acknowledge some of the women on this board who have shown their decency and respect toward men. Why haven’t you? Is it because you take it for granted that women would naturally treat men with with decency and respect?

Unfortunately, I do not get to take the same thing for granted. I guess I’m supposed to tacitly accept that I will be disrespected, and go all gushing with gratefulness when someone acts normal toward me. I realize that a few people were raised to see the world in such terms. I was not, and I will not help to perpetuate such dysfunction.

If you want to defend the practice of selling/renting women and girls, then you’ve got a problem, and it isn’t women, although they may be a convenient target. Such language and behavior is not a “joke”. Not by a long shot.

As I recall, the women on this blog(at least they claim to be) typically pimped housing here… day after day after day.

“you can’t even keep your protagonists straight. show me where i’ve said anything against women.”

Sheesh, I’m tellin’ ya. Jeebus.

tj:

Go back to yesterday’s post. I am so sick of bigots like you accusing any woman with self-respect of being a “psycho”. Do you just get so stoned every night that you can’t even remember what you said? Or are you just so egomaniacal that you actually believe I should be expected to put up and shut up?

If you seriously think that the comment below, in the context where it was written, should not invoke a nasty response, then you have a looooong road ahead of you. Your lack of humility is disconcerting at best.

Comment by tj
2013-12-25 15:39:53

One does not refer to a human being in terms of buying and renting.

yes, let’s be politically correct and pretend it doesn’t exist.

what’s the difference between renting a human and paying them a wage?

what’s the difference between paying someone and using them?

None of those statements are hatred toward women.

You are the one having issues. Trying to finfpd trouble where there is none.

Your lack of humility is disconcerting at best.

what’s the difference between paying someone and using them?”

yes your highness, i should be humble around your highness.

now tell me highness.. what in my quote tells you that i’m against women?

tj:

Because you characterize respect as “political correctness”. Because you think that if we publicly speak out against horrid behavior, then we are actually just “pretending that it doesn’t exist”, which is, obviously, the reverse of the truth. If I didn’t think it existed, then I wouldn’t be talking about it.

Because you think that if I dare raise myself to your level, then I have taken on heirs, and you flippantly call me “your highness”. Because only YOU are high (and allowed to control the discussion), but not me.

Bill:

1) Have you ever had a relationship with a woman where you did not actively attempt to be the “winner” of the arrangement?

2) You speak of renting women rather than buying them. Why?

3) If that isn’t hatred, then what is?

because?? because?

you can’t seem to follow along.

i didn’t ask you a ‘why’ question.

i asked you what in my quote is against women.

the answer is nothing. it’s all in your delusional psycho head, your highness.

tj:

I’m sorry, your highness, that I did not choose grammar that followed your own. “Your comments are hateful against women because …”

Do you understand now, or do we need to sit down in a little circle and use puppets and stuff? You could even draw pictures if you want.

Do you now have enough information to understand what it is about your way of thinking that characterizes you as a bigot? A person who would not generally be considered “dating material” by a lady who values herself and society? A person who is walking down a path of misery, paved by ego, and ending nowhere?

I’m sorry, your highness,

you demanded humility, your highness, not me.

so you still can’t produce any quote showing that i’m against or hate women. if you could have done it, you would have done it by now.

show me where i said anything about hating women. you accused me. now show me the quote and quit trying to explain why you’re right. show me a quote where i’m against or hating women.

tj: I already pasted your comments, and then you made more. Your life will probably improve after you have learned to admit your mistakes and to practice basic humility, your highness. The bigotry thing? You’ll feel better without it.

Women might be avoiding jerks, but they still dream about walking down the aisle. Men don’t fantasize about that.

In Colorado:

There are far fewer women choosing to marry and have kids than before. The decrease in fertility in the developed world is not due to men on a boycott. It’s due to women deciding that their lives would be better without it.

It’s due to women deciding that their lives would be better without it ??

Well, there you have it…When the relationship starts with the understanding that “I do’t need you” then its kind of difficult to get to the “till death do us part” phase…

scdave:

Which is exactly why folk who disparage women are missing the point. A guy like rms may think “I don’t need a woman” (except to bear and raise my kids), so I will just rent a wife (as if that were possible). In the meanwhile, a girl like Uncle Fed may think “I don’t need a man at all. Like literally”.

I am not saying that I don’t appreciate the value of a relationship. I am just saying that two can play at that game, and if they do, then the chick is gonna win.

There are far fewer women choosing to marry and have kids than before.

There are fewer, but they are still the ones who want to marry and have kids.

Guys don’t walk around, wringing their hands, asking “where did all the good women go?”

They don’t say things like “All the desirable women are either married or are lesbians”

And why should they? Girls put out, plain and simple. And it’s in an interesting spiral. Girls started playing house with guys, hoping the guys would eventually marry them. Now she does booty calls and friends with benefits, hoping he will become her boyfriend.

Why risk financial ruin with marriage when there are booty calls?

Hey Colorado:

Actually, guys are always trying to get girls. I should know, since it happens to me. A lot of guys (even married ones, and guys with girlfriends) will stop at almost nothing to get a girl if he thinks she’s pretty. They definitely aren’t getting it easy.

The number of h o r n y guys FAR outweighs the number of s l u t t y girls. Besides, most guys really do want to have a wife and kids. They realize a huge benefit from it. Did you know that married men live longer than unmarried men, while unmarried women live longer than married women? There really aren’t that many guys out there to want to die childless and wifeless.

And if you want financial ruin, just look at all the guys who accidentally knocked up their girlfriends. Paying child support to a bunch of kids in separate households is more expensive than just having them all in one house with one mom.

On the other hand, if you’re a girl, then why risk financial ruin by getting married, having kids, and *hoping* that your husband isn’t going to abuse the situation? After all, there are a lot of guys out there who believe in “renting” their wives. What if your husband turns out to be one of those? You would have wasted your prime years bearing and raising his kids, and then he will dump you, and you will be working at Wal*Mart trying to make ends meet with the tiny amount of child support that the loser actually gives you.

Yeah, marriage and kids are a huge risk for women. Not so much for guys.

Actually, guys are always trying to get girls.

Get them, yes.

Marry them, no.

Yeah, marriage and kids are a huge risk for women. Not so much for guys.

Yeah, that must be why guys get taken to the cleaners in divorce court.

I am acting like it. Can’t you see me, right here on this thread, rejecting the culture of disrespect toward women? I am the only one on this thread with the guts to stand up against the concept that women should be bought or rented. Are you standing up against it? No. You are simply demanding that I should thank some other commentators on this board for not being as much of a jerk.

When you see other women who have “lighted up” to the point that they accept such comments, such ways of thinking, you are seeing today’s culture, and the result of your own admonitions. Women should NOT lighten up. Women need to demand better treatment from men like rms, BiLA, and tj.

In a comment above, regarding respect, you said “If ain’t getting it, then you ain’t giving it”. That’s actually not true. Abusive people will dish out disrespect to anyone who seems less powerful than themselves. Then they act all mad when those people actually have the nerve to resist it.

tj:

Can you please tell me exactly what it is that “got me here”? The thing I’m railing against?

I am railing against the audacity of men who think that they can or should rent/buy women. The renting/buying of women is most certainly not the thing that “got me here”. It was my mom that got me here.

Your mom got you here too. Have you asked her what she thinks about your ideas? The renting and buying of women, that is.

Can you please tell me exactly what it is that “got me here”? The thing I’m railing against?

a person with a normal attention span would see it. the second sentence of the first paragraph.

Have you asked her what she thinks about your ideas? The renting and buying of women, that is.

i can’t help it if you can’t follow an argument and get deluded about what was said.

i was plainly talking about the concepts of renting, using or employing. those concepts can apply to anything. only you, with your hatred of men, saw it as an attack on women.

you’re a delusional psycho, lady.

But tj, I am not railing against the free market. Do you believe that the trade in human beings is actually a part of the free market? It’s not. If it weren’t for these things being illegal, then neither you nor I would be exactly where we are.

I am railing against the notion that men can or should buy or rent women. A person with a normal attention span would see that. It’s in the first sentence of my first sentence.

But you still haven’t answered my question, tj. Does your mother know that you defend the practice of buying/renting wives? After all, that was the topic of the thread where you made your fateful comments. You can’t exactly back-pedal now and start to claim that you were only talking about the employee/employer relationship.

Oh, and by the way, the first person in a logical argument to call the other “a delusional psycho, lady”, LOSES!

Do you believe that the trade in human beings is actually a part of the free market?

again, show me where i’ve said anything like that. like i said, you can’t follow an argument without becoming deluded.

Does your mother know that you defend the practice of buying/renting wives?

does your father know that you make up BS and accuse others of saying things they didn’t say? does your father know you hate men? don’t you think he’d be ashamed of you?

You can’t exactly back-pedal now and start to claim that you were only talking about the employee/employer relationship.

still aren’t following along are you, your highness. i was never talking about an employee/employer relationship. i was asking what the difference was between renting, using and employing. when you ‘use’ a wrench, aren’t you ‘employing’ it?

TJ:

Would you care to answer any of my questions? Are are you going to answer every question with another question, and continually imply that each question was actually a statement or an accusation against you? Do you or do you not believe that the human trade is a part of the free market?

How is a woman comparable to a wrench?

My dad is fully aware that I would NEVAH allow a guy like you to get away with the things you are saying on this board. Wanna know why? Cause he’s the guy that had to put up with me all these years. He knows that I don’t accept that sort of thing. Not from him, and not from any coward on the internet who jumps into a conversation about renting wives, but then tries to claim that he was only talking about hiring people, but then again claims that he was actually talking about using wrenches.

If you can’t own up to your comments, then it probably means you were wrong to say those things.

Would you care to answer any of my questions?

sure, right after you show me the quote that you claim that i said i hate or am against women.

either that, or you can admit that i never said anything of the kind, and might decide to answer your questions.

until then, you remain an accuser. you provided no evidence that i hate women or am against them or want to keep them down, or whatever else your deluded mind tells you.

tj: Once again, I already pasted your comments, and then followed up with a thorough explanation as to why those comments were upsetting, and along a socially destructive vein.

You and all the other woman-haters can go ahead and defend those comments, but they were extremely offensive and antisocial, and you should avoid making comments of that stripe. You should take a hard look at yourself and ask “What makes me so hateful, especially toward the people that I should be protecting and loving because they bring so much to my life?”

Until then, you are a hater. You provide no apology for defending the practice of renting or buying women, even though you probably don’t have enough money to do either.

tj: Once again, I already pasted your comments, and then followed up with a thorough explanation as to why those comments were upsetting, and along a socially destructive vein.

upsetting?? oh, poor deluded girl. you made an accusation and you can’t back it up so you explain why i upset you? what about your false accusation about me? WHERE’S THE QUOTE THAT INCRIMINATES ME AS HATING OR BEING AGAINST WOMEN? WHERE?? if this were a criminal case you’d be locked up by now.

You and all the other woman-haters can go ahead and defend those comments, but they were extremely offensive and antisocial, and you should avoid making comments of that stripe.

you should quit making false accusations because not only is it immoral, it could get you into serious trouble one day, you politically correct princess.

You should take a hard look at yourself and ask “What makes me so hateful

i don’t have to look hard, i see it at the other end of this keyboard.

especially toward the people that I should be protecting and loving because they bring so much to my life?”

sorry if i don’t feel protecting and loving toward you. i know you think i should because after all, you’re just a splendid woman.

Until then, you are a hater.

what’s a ‘hater’ genius? do you think you’re a ‘lover’? do you think you’re endearing? yeah, you probably do.

You provide no apology for defending the practice of renting or buying women

you provide no apology for making false accusations. were you a little tattle tale in school?

even though you probably don’t have enough money to do either.

again, an assumption with no evidence. but if you only knew, you’d be so embarrassed. and no, dummy, you’re not going to goad me into telling you how much money i have. and yes, i think you’d dearly like to know.

tj:
IF YOU WANT THE QUOTE, PLEASE GO BACK UP THE THREAD AND LOOK FOR THE BLUE BOX WITH THE QUOTE IN IT.

“If this were a criminal case, you’d be locked up by now… it could get you in serious trouble one day.”

Are threatening me? I think you should sue me for making the immoral mistake of calling you out on your misogyny. It would be even better if you would call me a princess while you’re at it, ’cause that might get me to cry, and then you would feel real strong and powerful like a true ANONYMOUS INTERNET COMMENTATOR.

No, actually tj, the world is not set up quite the way you think. There is no legal mechanism for females to be punished for speaking out against woman-haters. It’s only sad that there aren’t more men who have the nards to do it, so us ladies have to do it ourselves. Such a lack of manliness these days.

Nobody said that you have to like me dude, and there is no law saying that you are in any way obliged to love your mom, sister, wife, girlfriend, etc. You can hate all of us. It’s legal. But tj, it is not good for you, see? The hatred is bad for everyone, including you.

So whadya say tj? Wanna retract your statement about renting/buying wives being the same as using a wrench? Wanna admit that it’s a stupid thing to think? Or would you rather dig your heels in and be a hater forever? Tell your mom to go peddle herself. Tell your sister too. If you can convince enough females that it’s OK, then maybe you might get a chance at having sex with someone other than yourself!

Nobody said that you have to like me dude

thanks princess, that’s relief.

and there is no law saying that you are in any way obliged to love your mom, sister, wife, girlfriend, etc.

really? i though you were going to tell me there was.

You can hate all of us.

only you, princess. you’re one of the nastiest, politically correct, misandrist crones i’ve ever seen on any blog.

The hatred is bad for everyone, including you.

sorry, when it comes to you, it’s unavoidable.

So whadya say tj? Wanna retract your statement about renting/buying wives being the same as using a wrench?

so whadya say princess? wanna retract your claim that i ever said any such thing? na, cuz you’re to dumb to know i didn’t say it.

your statement about a wrench not being a woman was comical. that was the point i was making! i wasn’t talking about women. i was showing that the concept can apply to wrenches or just about anything else.

Wanna admit that it’s a stupid thing to think?

wanna admit that you don’t know how to think?

Or would you rather dig your heels in and be a hater forever?

again, what’s a ‘hater’ genius?

Tell your mom to go peddle herself. Tell your sister too.

better tell your dad to wash your little princess mouth out with soap. he didn’t teach you not to be a ‘hater’ did he?

If you can convince enough females that it’s OK, then maybe you might get a chance at having sex with someone other than yourself!

are you playing with yourself?

Bill:

Have you done any research on the subject? You might be surprised what you find. Of course I don’t have the link anymore, but I read about a long-term study that some university has been doing about marriage. They have been asking people for a few generations what they think about marriage, and then breaking the numbers down based on age, sex, religion, wealth, and what-have-you. This study has found that over the last decade or so, women have been losing interest in marriage and kids by ALOT.

The main reason is that they don’t think the males are pulling their weight. Also, the laws are set up so that a husband comes out better off than the wife during a divorce. Divorced men always complain bitterly about paying child support, even though the mothers end up paying more, and the mothers are also the ones doing the bulk of the actual work toward raising the family. So yeah, you give a girl some birth control, and she is likely to decide not to get into that mess.

Read the book.

I trust google more than a single book. A far variety of statistical sampling due to a far variety of sites indicates men more often than women are boycotting marriage. In 80% of court cases in divorces, the man loses.

Marriage is like Vegas. The odds are always in favor of a certain group. In Vegas it is “the house.” in marriage it’s “the woman.”

I’d like to see some development of male birth control drugs. Then it won’t be as much in the “hands” of women.

Also, try moving to ma$$holechusetts, you’ll see how men get screwed in divorce.

http://www.businessinsider.com/monster-porn-amazon-crackdown-sex-fantasy-bigfoot-2013-12

This is some funny stuff women were writing it and making good money until the crack down.

Pajama boy is sedentary geeky young politically correct white male who voted for Obama (white guilt) and lives with mum.

You brought up 1996. If 2013=1996 as you alluded to, then 2014-2106 should be pretty darn good. Do try and stick to the topic.

“If 2013=1996 as you alluded to,…”

You’re trippin’ and making stuff up again.

You wrote “1996 = the year Alan Greenspan discovered Irrational Exuberance.”

but you didn’t bring up 1996.

Got it.

I did bring up 1996. I just didn’t say 1996 = 2013. Or 7.8 = 9.

You did.

If you keep going on and on enough about economic collapse, perhaps your wish will come true and we will get one.

“economic collapse”?

Slithers…. get a hold of yourself and snap out of it. Dramatically lower and more affordable prices of everything is a bullish thing.

How can this be?

Because these are not average apartments targeting an average economic demographic? Of course the poors won’t be renting there … duh! The poors rent in cheaper places, often doubling up.

Fair enough, if you are playing the rebalancing strategy.

more sheep will be sucked in as it goes higher.

“more sheep will be sucked in as it goes higher.”

Count on it.

As long as the market heads further into Crazytown territory, we can look forward to Smithers bragging here about his investing acumen and courage.

Genius is a rising market.

– John Kenneth Galbraith

I’m with you there, pal. Also has better taste and texture than the traditional Quaker Oats oatmeal.

steel cut oatmeal

Bill and Whac
I’ll try it. The glycemic index thing usually makes us default to seasoned egg whites, but I’ll give it a try. I trust you two.

Quaker bought off the heart and diabetic associations according to Dr. Davis MD.

I just know a few years ago I cut my cholesterol from 260 to 190. Oatmeal was part of the deal. Lots of green tea too. But now I cannot drink green tea anymore. Cholesterol went up again (not so high) so I am trying my same stuff without the tea. Switched from hamburger fast food 3 days a week to subway. My nurse practitioner was telling me I should go on a statin. Instead I told her to give me 6 months and see. She was astonished. My doctors now like my high HDL.

Switched from hamburger fast food 3 days a week to subway.

Bill, you tout exercise and health as much as you do, and eat like that?!?? Seriously??

Whac
“Wheat Belly” book was solid on the NY Times Bestseller list for months. Look for my new book “Sugar Hostility - It’s not my fault, I ate too much sugar.” Twinkie Defense circa 2014.