January 24, 2014

No Matter What Price, It Would Go For More

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Home sales across the Houston area broke a pre-recession record in 2013, as a booming economy and a buying frenzy in many neighborhoods pushed up prices. Realty agents who remember Houston’s real estate boom of the early 1980s - and the subsequent crash - say things are different this time. ‘It’s a much more sustainable increase,’ said Steve Hardcastle, a Re/Max Westside broker. ‘Back then, the prices were going up a lot, but a lot of it was because of inflation and the interest rates were 17 percent. … Right now, it feels like it’s more of a market correction in a positive way.’”

“South Florida’s housing market continued to cool down in December, with prices still rising, but at a slower pace than earlier in the year. Industry experts say the moderation in prices is necessary to prevent the market from overheating again. ‘When pricing goes too far, too fast, ultimately it hurts everybody,’ said David Dabby, a South Florida housing analyst.”

“Just over a week ago, I went to two ‘open houses’ in southeast London. The first flat, in Charlton, had originally been put on the market in November at £325,000. Just two months later the asking price was up at £370,000. The second flat was a privately-owned two-bedroom flat in Blackheath village. That was also on at £370,000 – up £100,000 (37%) on six months ago. Both properties had plenty of potential buyers lining up to view, including some from outside London.”

“Bank of England boss Mark Carney must be feeling a bit uncomfortable. Even if he’d like to, Carney can’t scrap Help to Buy. Having house prices crash months before an election would be political suicide for the government.”

“Blackstone Group LP, the private-equity firm that cashed in on Germany’s booming housing market last year, plans to join the ranks of investors shifting money into the country’s commercial properties, where financially-strapped owners are under pressure to make deals. ‘Residential is getting too expensive and they’re using the peak to liquidate,’ said Fabian Klein, the Frankfurt-based head of German investments at CBRE Group Inc.”

“In 2013, home sales in Montreal fell to their lowest level in nine years. Gone are the days of the booming market that flourished in 2011 and 2012, said Bill Palmer, an NDG real estate agent. Palmer said that houses nowadays are selling for less and taking more time to sell. ‘That was a serious sellers’ market,’ he said. ‘No matter what price we would put on something it would go for more – now, it’s not that.’”

“Investors’ love affair with Sydney’s property market could be over, with experts anticipating a slowdown in property speculation. ‘All the pointers are there showing that the Sydney investor market has overshot its fundamentals,’ said the senior economist at Australian Property Monitors, Andrew Wilson. ‘If you can’t get a tenant you have no cash flow’. Without cash flow ‘those that have gone short or have highly geared investments will have the sell.’”

“RP Data senior research analyst Cameron Kusher said a rise in unemployment also could start a sell-off. ‘The forecast data shows that the unemployment rate should start to climb,” he said. ‘If people lose their jobs and need some capital, the investment property will be the first thing to go.”’

“Fitch Ratings says almost one trillion rupees (S$20.7 billion) of Indian bank loans are at risk of turning bad as the economy cools while Goldman Sachs Group Inc sees distressed debt escalating. The nation’s top 100 businesses have a total of two trillion rupees of credit, equivalent to as much as 29 per cent of the banking system’s net worth, due in the next five quarters and they may struggle to refinance almost 50 per cent of that, according to India Ratings.”

“‘The ability of most Indian companies to generate cash and service debt is at the lowest level in five years,’ Deep Narayan Mukherjee, a Mumbai-based director at India Ratings, said. ‘Almost a trillion rupees worth of refinancing coming up in the next twelve months are for companies that will find it tough to get new funding. This could trigger a domino effect of defaults.’”

“Multiple rural credit unions in eastern China designed to improve financial services in the countryside have been unable to pay depositors since the start of 2013, yet another sign of rising financial stress as interest rates rise and the economy slows. According to the state-owned broadcaster China National Radio, three farmers’ financial cooperatives have closed operations, while several others have run out of money to pay depositors.”

“A depositor, identified only as Ms. Xue, told the radio station that since 2011, she has put more than 420,000 yuan ($69,391) in an account with one of the rural credit unions because a representative told her the operation has government backing and her money is safe with them. ‘I trust the government, so I trusted him [the credit union representative],’ Xue said. ‘How would I have known that he would come to me in November and tell me the credit union can’t pay me back?’”

“RealtyTrac reports that November 2013 marked the 17th month in a row of increased foreclosures in Maryland. According to Sheila Dodson, executive director of the Coastal Association of Realtors, the Maryland figures don’t reflect a sudden increase in homeowners not able to make their mortgage. ‘Those properties that were held in moratorium are just now coming into play,’ she said. ‘The moratorium was lifted late last summer. It’s taken a while for people to process their foreclosures. It was a way to prevent flooding the market with inventory.’”

“In Masachusetts, some financial observers think a bump in foreclosures may lay ahead as mortgage holders that delayed actions to absorb changes in Massachusetts laws restart activity to take properties. ‘The pipeline of delinquent loans that have been sitting there — at some point, that faucet’s going to get turned on,’ said Jon K. Skarin, senior vice president of the Massachusetts Bankers Association.”

“According to the Ipsos survey, 53.7 per cent of Australians disagree with the statement ‘rising house prices are a good thing for Australia,’ with 27 per cent ’strongly’ disagreeing. Only 13.2 per cent thought rising house prices were a good thing, with the rest ambivalent or ‘don’t know.’ Surprisingly, even though they stand to gain the most from rising prices, older Australians are even more concerned about rising prices than people aged under 30. ‘Even though as homeowners older generations tend to benefit from rising prices, parents are really worried about their kids capacity to enter the housing market,’ the director at Ipsos, Rebecca Huntley, told News Corp Australia.”




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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-01-24 05:40:48

‘Those properties that were held in moratorium are just now coming into play,’ she said. ‘The moratorium was lifted late last summer. It’s taken a while for people to process their foreclosures. It was a way to prevent flooding the market with inventory.’”

Imagine that. So here we have the first state in the country just entering it’s price decline phase and price normalization.

1 state entering, 49 to go.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 08:01:25

“Lenders seized fewer homes last year from delinquent borrowers in Nevada. There were 6,444 completed foreclosures in 2013, down 55 percent from 2012, RealtyTrac reported.”

“At the same time, though, lenders cranked up plans to repossess distressed properties. Nevada had 17,628 foreclosure starts last year, up 21 percent from 2012. Those filings include notices of default, which start the foreclosure process.”

2 comments:

“yep….greedy realtors and banks are to blame……forcing people like me to keep funding a sinking ship. what about all of the “shadow inventory” the banks are knowingly sitting on??? thousands of homes in las vegas are in default, but the banks won’t forclose for fear of flooding the market and bring values down again. so they sit and wait. banks own everything and that includes the politicians who make the laws, we the people have to live by.”

“Kudos to all the scumbag realtors who were fully aware that those under qualified buyers wouldn’t be able to afford that 400k three bedroom cracker box. And the Vegas media also should be held accountable for hyping a fraudulent market.”

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 08:03:23

“Eugene-based Gorilla Capital reported overall foreclosure filings in a 20-county area where it operates declined from 281 in November to 277 in December. It was the fifth consecutive month foreclosure filings declined. However, notice and sale foreclosures increased by 38 percent, while court foreclosures decreased by 18 percent for the month.”

“The artificial decline in foreclosure filings continues because of new Oregon legislation that went into effect in August,” Gorilla Capital CEO John Helmick said in a statement.”

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 19:30:53

How much foam is there on the runway in Maryland?

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-01-24 05:44:45

“In Masachusetts, some financial observers think a bump in foreclosures may lay ahead as mortgage holders that delayed actions to absorb changes in Massachusetts laws restart activity to take properties. ‘The pipeline of delinquent loans that have been sitting there — at some point, that faucet’s going to get turned on,’

And others are just beginning to think about their excess empty inventory in their state.

If I said it once, I’ve said it 1000 times….. 25 MILLION excess empty houses are still sitting there and they’re not going away.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-01-24 06:34:46

“Blackstone…cashed in on Germany’s booming housing market last year, plans to join the ranks of investors shifting money into the country’s commercial properties, where financially-strapped owners are under pressure to make deals.”

Commercial crashed here six years ago before SFH started down. Most of those properties have changed hands by now. Some of the conversions include a barber shop, a car wash, two rent to own stores, a state funded boat museum and a lot of high end (but vacant) apartments. All low or no profit stuff. Good luck Blackstone.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 07:39:27

“Concerns are mounting that metro Phoenix’s apartment market may becoming oversaturated, signaling the sector’s recent boom could be starting to run its course.”

“These fears came up in Arizona State University’s Broker’s Forum Report this week, a new quarterly commercial real estate market report that recaps a roundtable discussion of local, but anonymous, industry professionals hosted by the W.P. Carey School of Business. The report includes commentary from the brokers, who prefer their identities not be disclosed so they can speak more freely.”

“One broker noted that the “big concern” is the fact that 3,200 units were delivered during the last half of the year and another 3,500 are expected to come online within the next six months — almost all of which are located in the East Valley.

“We have interviewed the top six management companies in town … Foot traffic is flat. They’re concerned,” one broker said. “This is the time when they see peak leasing in the marketplace. Third or fourth quarter, and first quarter of the year, and they’re very concerned.”

“Even Pete Bolton — head of Newmark Grubb Knight Frank’s Phoenix office who also moderates the ASU broker forum — said the Valley multifamily market is becoming “very oversaturated” at NAIOP’s Real Estate Outlook event.”

“When speaking of the overall market, the brokers concluded commercial real estate was in recovery mode, albeit a slow one due to poor consumer confidence, government uncertainty and the housing market losing some steam.”

Boy, I hope those hedge fund people didn’t pay too much for their houses in Phoenix.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 22:54:55

“The report includes commentary from the brokers, who prefer their identities not be disclosed so they can speak more freely.”

Shading the HBB’s operating procedure!

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 07:21:43

How are the BRICs looking these daze?

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 08:10:54

“World investors may be worried about China’s real estate bubble. But only one country surpasses that market’s housing boom, and that’s Brazil.”

“Whether it’s because of the new mortgage market and low interest loans available to Brazilians earning more money, or just a plain old over-stretched housing bubble, the roof has blown off Brazil’s housing market.”

“In fact, Brazil home prices rose a whopping 121.6% from 2008 to 2013, more than housing prices in Hong Kong. Hong Kong housing prices rose 101.4% in that same period. Brazilians have been paying more for housing than most other emerging markets, including big and richer global city-states like Singapore (62.5%).”

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-01-24 08:43:00

” a whopping 121.6%…”

Probably a third of that due to their high rate of inflation.

The wholesale price of coffee has been crashing. I am seeing lower prices and larger containers in the grocery store now.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2014-01-24 08:48:15

Rio, are you out there to comment on this? I’ve seen pictures of some Brazilian cities — a favela can exist right next to a very upscale neighborhood of apartment towers. Rocinha is a good example of that.

http://tinyurl.com/lgyzyvk

Comment by oxide
2014-01-24 09:05:57

Didn’t Rio make noises about “wanting” to “someday” come back to the US? He evidently owns his dwelling outright… might be a good time to cash in.

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Comment by In Colorado
2014-01-24 09:52:38

Agreed. Sunny beaches and pretty Brasileiras are nice, but you don’t want to be in a 3rd world country when the SHTF.

And from what I have been hearing, soccer fans might avoid Brazil 2014 the same way they stayed away from South Africa 2010. Plus there is the matter of third world countries having the proper infrastructure for a World Cup. Ironically, the US is perhaps the ideal place to host the world’s biggest sporting event. We have plenty of modern and large stadiums (and FIFA is OK with artificial turf now) and our cities are relatively safe. The only downside is that it gets too “hot” here in the summer for some European teams.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-01-24 11:31:14

Lola was banned yesterday. I don’t think she’ll be commenting on anything today.

We’ll see what lies and caricatures he’ll bring tomorrow.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 13:31:32

No, it was a different poster.

BTW, why the doom and gloom on wall street? Somebody give em a applebees update.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 19:33:58

How many readers here took Eddie’s advice and went to a 70% stock allocation right before last week’s big crash? Raise your hands. please…

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 22:59:27

“Brazilians have been paying more for housing than most other emerging markets, including big and richer global city-states like Singapore (62.5%).”

THAT’s sure to end well!

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 19:32:19

I guess nobody ever claimed that BRICs can’t be shat?

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-01-25 04:17:19

+1 Hilarious! Good point Whac, but I have often heard “He Sh!t a BRIC”

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 07:43:19

“Las Vegas’ battered commercial real estate market is showing signs of life but remains a long way from full recovery. Last year, investors snapped up properties, landlords signed new tenants, industrial buildings sprouted and developers pushed ahead with big retail projects.”

“Much of the same is expected this year, although the valley still faces big obstacles. Lease rates are low, vacancy rates are far above the national average, and despite some notable projects, development is relatively limited. New businesses are moving to Las Vegas and taking over empty real estate, but most local companies aren’t expanding and don’t need additional space.”

“And the valley’s unemployment rate remains high.”

“There’s tremendous interest,” said broker Perry White, of Marcus & Millichap Real Estate Investment Services. “We’ve got buyers we can line up from here to Primm.”

“White predicts investment sales to rise this year, but the economy is too wobbly for landlords to charge big rents. Rates are rising locally, though not nearly as fast or as high as in other, healthier markets.”

“Landlords face increasing competition from rental homes, a sector that grew rapidly in recent years as investors bought cheap houses in bulk to rent out. According to Reis, the valley’s fourth-quarter apartment vacancy rate was 65th-highest out of the 79 markets tracked.”

“What’s more, some apartment complex owners who want to sell are holding out for bloated boom-era prices, which aren’t likely to return anytime soon. “That price is imprinted on their brain,” White said. “It’s just not the same market.”

Comment by scdave
2014-01-24 08:02:25

Home sales across the Houston area broke a pre-recession record in 2013

Thats exactly what CEO of Toll Bros. said a few months ago in a round table discussion…He said Houston is booming…

If I recall correctly, in discussing the cost of land in the California markets where Toll wanted to build along with the arduous process & cost of getting permits, he said that more homes were built in 2013 in the Houston market then the entire state of California…

Comment by In Colorado
2014-01-24 09:57:16

According to a friend who lives in Houston, they hardly noticed the recession, thanks to the energy biz.

 
 
Comment by Bottomfisher
2014-01-24 21:53:22

they must be peeing in lake mead to keep the level above 1075′ doomsday level….or fixing the numbers

Comment by rms
2014-01-24 22:52:08

+1 An historic drought with terrible economic consequences.

 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2014-01-24 08:03:28

“According to the Ipsos survey, 53.7 per cent of Australians disagree with the statement ‘rising house prices are a good thing for Australia,’ with 27 per cent ’strongly’ disagreeing. Only 13.2 per cent thought rising house prices were a good thing, with the rest ambivalent or ‘don’t know.’”
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Sounds like it’s time for a propaganda offensive. Interestingly, that article refers to the Australian dream, of which owning a house purportedly is a part: “Property ownership has been part of our social compact. It’s been linked to our sense of what it is to be Australian.”

Maybe things have changed, but I took two long trips there 15 years ago and I did not perceive that owning property was a core part of the national identity. At all.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-01-24 08:36:20

“Bank of England boss Mark Carney must be feeling a bit uncomfortable. Even if he’d like to, Carney can’t scrap Help to Buy. Having house prices crash months before an election would be political suicide for the government.”

Who’s he kidding? They’ll prop up the market until they can’t.

Half a million bucks for a flat?

My wife’s SIL owns a detached house in London she inherited from her parents years ago. She lives in the US, and uses the London house as a vacation home. From what we’ve heard she could get 2 million for it if she sold it now.

Comment by scdave
2014-01-24 08:50:59

Sounds like a pretty well off SIL….

Comment by In Colorado
2014-01-24 09:55:31

She is sitting pretty, at least financially. Bad thing for her is that she had breast cancer. She’s doing OK now, but you never know.

Comment by scdave
2014-01-24 10:00:10

I hear ya…Good health numero 1…

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 23:01:24

Also what all the money in the world can’t buy (though money can help somewhat)…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-01-24 13:07:29

Thousand Oaks CA Housing Prices Dive 14% Year Over Year

http://www.movoto.com/thousand-oaks-ca/market-trends/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 14:51:02

‘UBS AG’s China securities unit, the leading foreign underwriter of debt sales in the country, says the market wants policy makers to allow the first onshore bond default to reduce long-term hazards to the financial system.’

“Systematic risk will pile up without any default happening,” Bi Xuewen, head of China debt capital markets at UBS Securities Co., said in an interview in Shanghai. “Market participants would like to see a default in China’s bonds. Only after defaults can the overall risk pricing system be normalized.”

‘If defaults come at a time when the currency is no longer appreciating that would spur “massive capital outflows” as Chinese assets would lose their allure for foreign investors, according to Zhang at CASS.’

“The bubble is gradually inflating, and sooner or later will burst,” he said. “This year is the best time to squeeze it.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-24/ubs-says-market-wants-default-as-risks-to-pile-up-china-credit.html

Well, well, the establishment media is pushing this line. WSJ has a similar piece. These defaults are a “good thing”, we are told. The system will be stronger, hurrah!

I smell a rat as this suddenly becomes a financial media reasoning tool. Somebody is losing a bunch of money already, I’d bet, and these guys are softening up the masses for all the “good things” about to happen.

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-01-24 15:43:24

Should the government of China bailout shadow banking or crush it?

“Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd., the world’s most profitable bank, is rejecting entreaties to compensate holders of the financing, which was structured by China Credit Trust Co. to raise funds for a coal miner. New York-based Moody’s Investors Service says it is typical of financial products that have kept debt off banks’ balance sheets. The borrower, Shanxi Zhenfu Energy Group, collapsed in 2012 after leading shareholder Wang Pingyan was arrested for illegal deposit-taking. Payment on the three-year, so-called Credit Equals Gold No. 1 product is due Jan. 31.”

from Bloomberg “China Trust Products Gone Awry Evoke Soros Crisis Echoes”

Credit equals gold indeed!

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 18:19:17

I’ve counted three Chinese wealth management products (WMP) headed toward default. These are part of the shadow banking sector. It’s essentially loans based on some sort of collateral. Much of the collateral in these WMPs is real estate or something related to real estate. No one knows exactly how much is in the shadows, but it is probably in the trillion$.

Then we have the local government financing vehicles (LGFV). Infrastructure, housing/commercial development. If the fire spreads to these, watch out.

This is one place the money printing has gone; the Fed and other central banks. What to watch? Currencies for one. India ran into a currency crunch several months ago. It had to raise interest rates to protect the currency (inflation hits people pretty quick in those situations) which did what? Socked it to the real estate market. We could see interest rates rise in many of these bubble countries, and it could happen soon.

This looks a lot like 2007 to me. If China has to pull back to protect the domestic economy, who’s gonna buy these US treasuries?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 19:35:13

“If China has to pull back to protect the domestic economy, who’s gonna buy these US treasuries?”

China is.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 23:02:53

“Market participants would like to see a default in China’s bonds. Only after defaults can the overall risk pricing system be normalized.”

Really? I wonder if market participants who own China’s bonds would agree?

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 15:22:49

‘California pending home sales fell in December, with the Pending Home Sales Index (PHSI)* dropping 25.2 percent in December to reach 68.8, down from a revised index of 92 in November, based on signed contracts. The monthly decline was the second straight double-digit drop in the PHSI. Pending sales were down 16.8 percent from the revised 82.8 index recorded in December 2012. Pending home sales are forward-looking indicators of future home sales activity, providing information on the future direction of the market.’

http://www.fortmilltimes.com/2014/01/24/3240395/pending-home-sales-continued-to.html

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 19:37:01

“…dropping 25.2 percent in December to reach 68.8, down from a revised index of 92 in November…”

Holy crapula, is a 25.2 percent drop in pending home sales over one month a sign of the return to normalcy in California real estate?

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-01-24 22:37:34

Like they said:

‘forward-looking indicators of future home sales activity’

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-24 23:05:00

Similar to current list prices, as opposed to backward-looking indicators of past home sales activity (home sales prices, home sales price indexes like Case-Shiller/S&P, etc)…

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-25 06:43:05

“Realty agents who remember Houston’s real estate boom of the early 1980s - and the subsequent crash - say things are different this time.”

 
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