February 2, 2014

The Effect Of People Unloading Their Property Here

Readers suggested a topic on international speculation. “I read that alot of Argentinians are putting their money in real estate in their own country . You can’t lose money in real estate compared to currency devaluation. Chinese are buying homes in California since they are experiencing a bubble in China. Everybody wants to own a home in California.”

One said, “Moreno Valley will soon be entirely Chinese.”

A reply, “They’re snapping up the inland empire? LOL! They’re welcome to it! I guess it’s less smoggy than Beijing, so it’s all good.”

And finally, “Bought with worthless, useless, unbacked fiats that were traded for lots of precious Chinese-made junk not all that many years ago. We, us smart Americans, collectively shipped our already generated wealth - our dollars - to China AND we shipped our potential to generate wealth - our jobs - to China at the same time. And we laughed at the Chinese at the same time were doing it. People are smart.”

From China Daily. “About 50 million Chinese people are living overseas at present, according to the Beijing-based Center for China and Globalization. Investment and education are the main drivers of Chinese migration. Four countries - the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - are the most popular destinations, the center said. Continually rising prices and tightening measures are combining to push more Chinese investors to seek overseas opportunities.”

“It took Sara Wang two days to decide to buy a two-bedroom apartment in London in October. The 35-year-old executive in a joint venture enterprise acquired the home only as an investment. She already has two apartments in Beijing, which means she isn’t allow to buy any more properties in the capital. And soaring property prices in China also make her worry about growing investment risk.”

“She paid the equivalent of 4 million yuan ($645,160) for the apartment in suburban London. The down payment was 30 percent. She expects to rent it for about 12,000 yuan per month. The purchase, Wang said, was a good deal based on the price-to-rent ratio and relatively low monthly payments. If she wanted to buy another apartment in China, she wouldn’t be able to get a mortgage, as she took out mortgages for her first two apartments.”

“In any case, the rent for a 4 million yuan apartment in Beijing would only be about 7,000 yuan now. ‘Moreover, in London, I get a 999-year lease. But in China, I paid for 70-year use rights,’ Wang added.”

KTAR in Arizona. “Speculation of a potential Canadian housing crash picked up with Canada’s December jobless jump to 7.2 percent, which is higher than the United States’ 6.7 percent. A potential Canadian real estate bubble will not hurt the Valley’s housing market, a local Realtor said. ‘The only effect I could see of a Canadian housing bubble popping is people unloading their property here for cash,’ said Diane Brennan, co-host of KTAR’s That Real Estate Show. ‘But we’re in a buyer’s market anyway so buyers would purchase those properties.”

“Canadian investors were a huge reason why the Valley’s real estate market recovered because they bought up many of the empty homes. Brennan said rumors of Canada’s housing market potentially tanking have been swirling around for a couple of years and those rumors are fueled by a weakening Canadian dollar. ‘I just had a Canadian couple cancel their offer on a Valley home because the Canadian dollar took a dive’, she said.”




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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-01 08:40:31

A reply, “They’re snapping up the inland empire? LOL! They’re welcome to it! I guess it’s less smoggy than Beijing, so it’s all good.”

The problem with CA is it’s all glowing in the dark from the Fukushima nuclear reactor disaster.

Comment by Overtaxed
2014-02-01 11:30:27

The problem with CA is the cost of housing, taxes, and that there are just too many people there. Other than that, it’s pretty much as legitimately close to paradise as you can get in this country, certainly on the mainland.

Make no mistake, if CA was cheap and taxes weren’t through the roof, I’d (and I’m sure many others) move there in a heartbeat.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-01 11:35:58

If taxes are high then the price of everything else should be low. Besides, there is plenty of excess, empty and defaulted houses so the “too many people” narrative doesn’t work.

So where is the fraud in housing in CA?

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-02-01 11:39:18

Renting is cheap in California. You can have your cake and eat it too. Municipal bonds, U.S. Treasuries, Roth 401ks, Roth IRAs, precious metals, and Series I Savings bonds are where smart California renters who never want to move to another state throw their money.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 13:11:37

Spot on. And if you had followed Bill’s advice above the past month, you would have seen your fixed income investments appreciate while EM stocks and real estate investments went up in smoke.

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Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-02-01 15:59:43

I took $90,000 off the table of stocks the last two months. Just to keep going. My municipal bond funds’ statement was in my mail today and they added another $643 of income last month. It’s good money. Combined with interest on my treasuries and corporate bonds, it pays half my rent. The sweet deal is maintenance is great. New dishwasher no charge of course. Installed by maintenance while I blogged.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 16:05:29

I can’t believe how many suckers throw away good money after bad month after month on an overpriced mortgage when they could be wracking up gains in a diversified portfolio of stocks, bonds and, if they choose, even liquid real estate assets (e.g. REITs, which are much easier and less costly to unload than owner-occupied housing).

 
 
 
Comment by Anklepants
2014-02-01 16:01:18

Other than that… Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?

 
Comment by Avocado99
2014-02-01 18:31:10

so it sounds like supply and demand apply. ;)

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 12:46:33

“…it’s all glowing in the dark…”

I’ve seen this first hand.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 12:59:45

The scientists who conspire with the government have some fancy explanation for this (”bioluminescence” or somesuch), but of course this is just a cover up for the Fukushima fallout washing up on California shores.

Will San Diego’s tides glow blue again this year?
By John Platt
Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 2:44 PM

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 13:13:46

Internet Postings Stoke Bay Area Fears Of Nuclear Radiation
Fallout From Japan Fukushima Disaster
January 31, 2014 11:39 PM

PACIFICA (KPIX 5) - From across the Pacific Ocean to your Facebook feed, fear spreading from Fukushima has officially reached the West Coast.

Concerns about radioactive water now stretch from the activism hotbed of Berkeley to the peaceful sands of Monterey Bay. The town of Fairfax has even appealed to the United Nations for guidance on the matter.

People are worried & people want to know what’s going on,” says John Reed, a member of the Fairfax Town Council. “There’s a lot of scary information out there.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 14:58:36

Fukushima Radiation Hitting West Coast of North America: “No One Is Measuring So Therefore We Should Be Alarmed”
Federal, State and Local Governments Refuse to Test for Radiation on the West Coast of North America
By Washington’s Blog
Global Research, January 27, 2014
Washington’s Blog
Region: USA
Theme: Environment, Media Disinformation

Numerous models show that – while the ocean dilutes radiation – pockets and streams of concentrated radiation may still hit the West Coast of North America.

West Coast residents are very concerned. Indeed, many local and state government officials have said that residents are inundating them with questions about Fukushima radiation.

And yet the government isn’t measuring seawater or fish on the West Coast for radiation.

Comment by Avocado99
2014-02-01 18:33:32

sea stars are dying, related?? Google it.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 19:34:21

Without looking, I doubt it. Not even worth a look (but feel free to tell me if I am wrong…)

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-02-01 23:05:37

The problem with CA is it’s all glowing in the dark from the Fukushima nuclear reactor disaster.

FWIW, the Inland Empire isn’t even remotely close to the beach, so I doubt it’s glowing. That said, it has other “issues”

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-02 08:00:05

Give it time. Rad migration is an enduring process.

Comment by In Colorado
2014-02-02 11:18:01

In that case the Southwest should have been “glowing” for decades courtesy of above ground nuclear detonation tests.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 11:36:12

Exactly. Watch out if you recently settled in America’s fastest growing city, St. George, Utah.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 11:38:18

St. George is the Fastest Growing Metro Area in the Country
April 5th, 2007 @ 5:48pm
Keith McCord Reporting

New statistics are out from the U.S. Census Bureau which identified the top 10 fastest growing metro areas, and two of them are in Utah. In fact, the city in the number-one position is St. George. It’s not surprising because last year, when the previous census numbers were released, St. George was the fifth-fastest growing city in the nation.

With Utah’s strong economy and relatively low cost of living, compared with other areas, we’re likely to stay on the top 10 list for a while. Washington County has been booming for the last several years, but new U.S. Census Bureau numbers released today show just how much. Between April 1 of 2000 and July 1 of 2006, the population of St. George grew nearly 40 percent. In actual numbers, the population increased by 36,000 people, in total, to 126,312 people.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 11:46:23

You do realize that Goldilocks herself has moved to St. George, Utah, right?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 11:48:14

Southern Utah’s ‘Goldilocks’ economy forecasts well for 2014
Written by Mori Kessler on January 17, 2014 in Business, Local Gov., Local News, News
2014 Washington County Economic Summit, St. George, Utah, Jan. 16, 2014 | Photo by Mori Kessler, St. George News

ST. GEORGE – Speakers and people attending the 2014 “What’s Up Down South” Washington County Economic Summit Thursday expressed optimism for the region’s economic future. A positive forecast of the regional economy was given during the summit and new and expanding businesses showcased.

Lecia Langston, regional economist with the Utah Department of Workforce Services, said Washington County is currently in a “Goldilocks economy;” conditions aren’t too hot or too cold for continued economic growth.

“We like nice, moderate growth,” Langston said. For the last two years she said the economy has been just right with an average of 5-6 percent job growth. The current level of growth statewide is 3 percent, she said.

Nearly every job sector is seeing job growth, Langston said, and added Washington County’s unemployment rate has dropped to 4.6 percent. Construction job numbers are also just about where they were before the housing bubble hit, she said.

Along with job growth, wages and home prices are also up in the region, adding to a favorable economic forecast for 2014.

Everything is where we want to be,” she said, “we are in the Goldilocks zone.”

Washington County is doing well because the state is doing well, said Scott Anderson, president and CEO of Zions Bank. “Our success is tied to the success of the our state,” he said.

Utah currently has the fourth most diverse economy in the nation and continues to be recognized by Forbes Magazine as one of the best states for business, Anderson said. Parts of Utah, like Salt Lake City and Provo, are also considered leaders in economic technology development.

Consumer confidence is also high. “Utahns are optimistic about their household income,” Anderson said.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-02-02 15:42:31

I’ve been in St. George, UT. I don’t get what the allure is.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 08:40:40

I posted this yesterday in the comments:

‘Charles Liu, who moved to California’s Silicon Valley from Beijing last year, recently spent $1.6 million on a single-family home with a lot size totaling 10,000 square feet (930 square meters) nearby San Jose. ‘We saved $400,000 for the down payment and expect to pay off the mortgage in five to 10 years,’ said Liu.’

‘Liu added that competition is stiff among international buyers as fewer homes are for sale in the area’s super-heated real estate market. Martin Lawler, a San Francisco immigration lawyer, told China Daily that many of his Chinese clients are considering buying homes in the US even though they don’t live in the country for the entire year because their businesses are in China.’

‘The purchases are not only Chinese EB-5 investors’ retirement plans but also are a good investment for their children, who may be seeking educational opportunities in the United States, he said.’

From above:

‘The down payment was 30 percent…If she wanted to buy another apartment in China, she wouldn’t be able to get a mortgage, as she took out mortgages for her first two apartments.’

IMO, a lot of these people are up to their eyeballs in debt.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-01 08:51:46

Indeed. As we stated before, the chinese are merely 1980’s japanese.

60 Minutes recently exposed the debt loads of these supposedly “loaded” chinese nationals. They’re not allowed to put any money to work in mainland China except for housing. And they’re all eyeballs deep in debt and drunk on speculation. Those buying housing at these massively inflated prices in California are Stanley Johnsons.

It’s good to know the epicenter of the imminent housing price collapse will be California and Denver.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 09:17:26

‘Liu added that competition is stiff among international buyers as fewer homes are for sale in the area’s super-heated real estate market’

This is like the Blackstone guys, bidding up prices that they have to then pay. As Homer Simpson said, “I am so smart, S-M-R-T.”

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 13:20:40

My prediction is that the Blackstone crowd will manage to offload their rental property investments through securitization before the tide has fully receded, leaving the likes of all-cash Chinese and Canadian investors in California residential real estate holding the bag.

Can’t wait to see this next episode play out! It’s like watching the real estate investing version of the Souper Bowl in slow-mo.

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Comment by azdude02
2014-02-02 10:17:32

suze orman said that debt can be “good debt”.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-02 14:03:20

No she said debt is bondage.

Debt=LOSS

 
 
 
Comment by localandlord
2014-02-01 18:38:54

MsWang is so happy she is getting 12000 a month for that 4 mil apartment. How does that make sense? Just because you add a zero and call it yuans doesn’t make for a good ratio.

That is comparable to JM buying a house for $400,000 and renting it out for $1200 or me buying a house for $40K and renting it for $120/mo. Just silly.

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-02-03 06:48:19

LL, you make a lot of sense.

Her gross rent multiplier is 27.8 (rent = 27.8 X’s the Price). If she put 30% down (Y1.2 million) and has debt of Y2.8 million at say 4.5% at 30-years, her annual payment is Y170,000. She only collects Y144,000/yr in rent BEFORE expenses. If expenses are 35% (a reasonable rule of thumb) that is another Y50,000/year!

Or in US dollars, she invested $193,000 for the privilege of paying negative cash flow of $13,000/year!

That’s poor investing in any currency!

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 13:17:46

‘The down payment was 30 percent…If she wanted to buy another apartment in China, she wouldn’t be able to get a mortgage, as she took out mortgages for her first two apartments.’

Leveraged to the hilt and snapping up California residential properties that would otherwise be owned and occupied by American families…

I can’t overstate my eagerness to see this crop of foreign real estate investors wiped out!

Comment by Janet Felon
2014-02-01 13:29:48

With the advent of rolling bubbles, there are seemingly endless numbers of speculators flush with cash.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 13:52:08

True that, right up until the day when the Fed credibly commits to follow through with frequently-announced plans to eventually stop spiking the punch bowl with Bacardi® 151.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 14:02:13

Samantha Sharf, Forbes Staff
I cover markets, millennials and money.
Investing | 1/29/2014 @ 2:15PM |4,426 views
Fed To Further Trim Monthly Asset Purchases To $65 Billion As Economic Growth Continues
This week Ben Bernanke presided over his last FOMC meeting as chairman. Here, he listens to a question at his final press conference last month. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File)

During his final Federal Open Market Committee meeting as chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke and co continued on the path set in December, again cutting back asset purchases.

On Wednesday, the FOMC announced a $10 billion reduction in its bond-buying program to $65 billion a month. The Fed will cut monthly mortgage bond purchases to $30 billion from $35 billion. Treasury purchases will go from $40 billion to $35 billion.

Looking ahead, the FOMC once again noted that, “the Committee will likely reduce the pace of asset purchases in further measured steps at future meetings. However, asset purchases are not on a preset course, and the Committee’s decisions about their pace will remain contingent on the Committee’s outlook for the labor market and inflation as well as its assessment of the likely efficacy and costs of such purchases.”

The Fed maintained expectations that the federal funds target rate of 0% to .25% will remain low as long as unemployment remains above 6.5%. They expect inflation to be at most a half percentage point above its 2% long term target for one to two years. The statement reiterated anticipation that targets will hold “well past”when the unemployment rate declines below 6.5%.

The Fed purchased $85 billion worth of bonds each month for most of 2013 in an effort to stimulate the laggard economy. Last month, citing moderate economic expansion, the FOMC cut monthly asset purchases by $10 billion, while maintaining tight control on interest rates. Discussing the Fed’s December decision in a press conference Bernanke noted that “even after this reduction we will be continuing to add to our securities holdings at a rapid pace.”

While global markets initially responded favorable to the announcement, stocks have trended down since the turn of the year. In the last two weeks investors around the world have been sharply selling off equities as emerging markets falter. Experts say that the Fed’s December taper was a catalyst for recent moves, even if it took a few weeks to trickle through.

If you think back to last April, May, June when the fed was really hinting at tapering,” notes Kathy Jones, a fixed income strategist at Schwab, “we started to see some of riskier markets globally start to decline, not hugely but there was a decline in emerging market currencies, and commodity prices had already been falling for quite some time. I think that was an indication that the proverbial punch bowl was being pulled away.”

Following the FOMC June meeting, Bernanke unveiled plans to begin cutting back asset purchases within six to 12 months. At that point investors began to realize that liquidity would be leaving the global economies that had benefited from the Fed’s open pocketbook. The Dow lost more than 200 points that day and the 10-year treasury note yield jumped to 2.34%.

Markets rallied when the Fed ultimately declined to taper in September and again in October. But once tapering finally began, and markets came to anticipate more, investors began fleeing risky assets in favor of safer havens.

My interpretation is the first phase was a recognition that there was a frothiness to certain markets,” says Jones. “In the second phase we are uncovering the unwinding of positions people have probably had for a number of years. One that we talk about is the carry trade, which is where you borrow in, say, U.S. dollars because rates are so low and you invest in higher yielding currencies and earn the spread. When you start to unwind those trades after people have had them on for a couple of years, that can go very very fast.” She calls disappointing data from China’s Purchasing Manager Index the “final straw” that sent markets into their current decline.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-02-01 16:04:17

Less bond buying, more yield hikes. Could we see 3.2% yield on ten year note new issues by June?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 16:06:45

“Could we see 3.2% yield on ten year note new issues by June?”

Are you assuming the EM meltdown will have blown over by then?

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-02-01 17:13:04

Just assuming less demand for bonds will mean higher rates.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 17:41:04

And I’m just assuming that a raging panic in emerging markets will result in heightened demand for bonds for as long as it lasts.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 17:44:22

Markets
Treasurys Feed on Market Turmoil
As Treasurys Rally, Investors Reassess Bets On Rising Yields
By Min Zeng and Katy Burne
Updated Jan. 31, 2014 12:27 a.m. ET

Rout? What rout?

Despite widespread predictions of a sharp selloff in Treasurys this year, government bond prices have actually risen. And that has driven traders and investors to rethink their outlook for the rest of the year.

Instead of falling as the Federal Reserve began reducing its purchases of debt securities, Treasury prices have climbed, sending yields on 10-year notes below 2.7%, on track for the biggest monthly decline in more than 18 months.

Many strategists last year had predicted that yields would by now be marching toward 3.5% or even 3.75%. And on Dec. 31, they edged up just above 3%.

Much of the surprise can be attributed to the sudden turmoil in emerging markets and worries about a slowdown in China’s economic growth, which have driven investors to investments perceived as safer, notably government bonds. That upheaval was unexpected by many analysts and hadn’t been factored into predictions made last year.

“Many of the bond-market dynamics this year may be distinctly different, in fact almost the opposite of what happened in 2013, and you have seen that playing out somewhat this month,” said Rick Rieder, co-head of Americas fixed income at BlackRock Inc., (BLK -1.63%) the world’s largest money manager with $4.32 trillion of assets under management at the end of December. Mr. Rieder shifted his thinking after being surprised by the recent selloff in emerging-market currencies and said his company has bought 30-year Treasury bonds in the past few weeks.

Pacific Investment Management Co. , whose main bond fund is the world’s biggest by assets, also has been buying Treasurys, according to a Wednesday tweet by Chief Investment Officer Bill Gross.

Some investors and strategists said the events of the past few days have been momentous enough for them to upend their predictions for the trajectory of Treasury yields for the rest of 2014. That could be good news for consumers, companies and countries around the world, whose trillions of dollars of borrowings are tied to the interest rates on U.S. government bonds and often the 10-year note.

Michael Swell, co-head of global portfolio management at Goldman Sachs Asset Management, which oversees $360 billion of fixed-income assets, said he previously expected the 10-year Treasury to yield 3.5% to 4% by the end of 2014, but in light of recent market jitters he said “it’s probably more 3.5% to 3.75%.”

“There is more volatility in the markets [so] the outcomes could be more dispersed than we originally thought,” he said.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 08:47:03

‘Business should be picking up for Zhao Guoping, a Beijing shopkeeper, as Chinese leaders try to build a consumer society to replace a worn-out economic model based on trade and investment. But his financial struggle highlights the hurdles that ambitious effort faces.’

‘Squeezed by higher costs and weak sales to budget-minded shoppers, Zhao said the income from his neighborhood shop has fallen by half to 50,000 yuan ($6,000) a year.’

“Prices are rocketing up. People’s incomes can hardly catch up,” said Zhao, 38. “Daily necessities, yes, I still have to buy them. But anything I don’t necessarily need, then no.”

On this:

‘as Chinese leaders try to build a consumer society to replace a worn-out economic model’

So a bunch of corrupt families that have never worked a day in their lives are going to huddle and reshape a giant economy?

Comment by Mr. Banker
2014-02-01 09:30:01

“So a bunch of corrupt families that have never worked a day in their lives are going to huddle and reshape a giant economy.”

It works for me.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2014-02-01 09:08:43

for their children, who may be seeking educational opportunities in the United States, he said.’ ??

Particularly higher education…House in my neighborhood was rented a few years ago…The Chinese family had two high school aged children…Father relocated I believe with Foxcom…He said he is here for four years until the children graduate high school and enter the UC system…

The UC system in California is very difficult to get into…You need strong course resume & SAT…This father is not hoping they go to a UC, he is quite confident they will…Why ?? Because in their culture, education is #1 and is demanded from the children…Sports are allowed but only within the context of school…Afternoon, Evening & Weekend sports programs like baseball or soccer ?? Forget it…That time is set aside for study….Summer is for part time work and extended school programs…

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-02-01 16:07:49

This is what I long respected about the Asian culture.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-02-01 16:19:51

Had lunch with my Asian gal friend in Phoenix today. She talks a lot but is kind of cute. I could see she had some subtle “dolling herself up” for our lunch engagement. Maybe she is starting to want to impress me?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 17:46:07

FYI (based on personal observation, including two decades+ of married life) talking is at least as important a part of a relationship to women as sex is to men.

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Comment by Avocado99
2014-02-01 18:37:27

I used to watch them cheat in class with cheat sheets! I should have turned them in!

each yr the best schools get harder to get in, especially the UC’s and top state schools. A school like Cal State Sonoma used to be 95% white 20 yrs ago.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 09:23:19

‘The only effect I could see of a Canadian housing bubble popping is people unloading their property here for cash,’ said Diane Brennan’

Over a year ago, I found an article with a UHS bragging that Canadians could HELOC their house and use the cash to buy in Phoenix. This, it was explained, allowed them to use 100% leverage.

Here’s the latest from the Oracles at ASU:

‘Mike Orr, director of the Center for Real Estate Theory and Practice at the W. P. Carey School of Business, said the supply of homes available for sale is going up and prices of those homes are stabilizing and in some cases, coming down.’

‘Current resale home prices in Phoenix are reasonable, Orr said: neither too low nor high. And compared to the rest of the country, Phoenix is still extremely affordable, he said. “Prices have no reason to go higher from where they are now and in some areas they could come down,” he said.’

‘Supply is a key factor in price. After the economy turned down in 2007, a long period followed of oversupply due to foreclosure and short sale homes on the market which kept prices low, Orr said. In 2012, after the bulk of distressed properties had moved through the system, supply began to drop, bringing prices up. Today the supply of available homes is 16 percent below normal, but is rising rapidly and could surpass the average in a matter of weeks, he said.’

“Right now it’s heading up like a rocket,” Orr said.’

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-02-03 06:59:27

“‘I just had a Canadian couple cancel their offer on a Valley home because the Canadian dollar took a dive’, she said.”…..

Hilarious. If the Canadian dollar is tanking (now $1.10 to buy a US dollar, recently changed from $.99 to buy a US dollar), the Canadian couple would be wise to buy US based assets. They will make a nice return just from the currency change. If the swap goes to $1.60 Canadian for a US dollar, they will have a nice hedge!

Curious, this “investment” strategy.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 09:28:10

‘Credit growth in China has been outpacing GDP growth since early 2012 — a classic sign that a bubble in borrowing has reached its final stage as lending loses its ability to generate real economic activity.’

‘Years of overbuilding has resulted in in countrywide excess capacity of nearly 40% according to some estimates, as steel mills and mines are idled and lost revenue and fixed expenses pinch profit margins and the ability to service credit obligations.’

‘And the credit that has been generated over the past year has been issued at ever-increasing interest rates — a sign that borrowers, desperate to keep the music playing, are willing to pay whatever is asked.’

‘You can sum it all up like this: In the view of Societe Generale’s China economist Wei Yao, “there is no other ending to China’s massive resource and credit misallocation than a painful bursting of the bubble.” The only question that remains is “when it will start unwinding and at what pace.”

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 09:54:51

‘Since 1976 the price of residential real estate has gone up by 240 per cent in Metro Vancouver, said Paul Kershaw, a University of B.C. professor, citing Canadian Real Estate Association data. After adjusting for inflation, average housing prices are up by $165,000 in Canada and by $350,000 in B.C., he said.’

‘For owners like his mother, that’s great, he said, but it’s “crushing the dreams” of their kids and grand kids.’

‘Young people today are more likely to go to college or university than previous generations, but over the same period tuition fees have doubled, he said. They’re twice as likely to have degrees, a distinction that comes along with high levels of student debt.’

‘At the same time job prospects have diminished, with many young people working as unpaid interns or in low-pay positions to get established, he said. Compared to 1976, using inflation adjusted Statistics Canada figures, the typical wage for 25 to 34 year olds has dropped by $3 an hour across the country.’

‘The drop in B.C. has been even larger, with a decline of $4 an hour, he said.’

‘A recent personal finance column by Rob Carrick in The Globe and Mail reported on research by Markus Moos, an assistant professor at the University of Waterloo. In 1981, the average income for people between the ages of 25 and 34 was $38,335 in Metro Vancouver, he wrote. By 2006, after adjusting for inflation, that had fallen to $31,844, a drop of 16 per cent.’

‘Some, however, see focusing on the generational divide as a distraction. “I think it’s about class, not generations,” said Bill Hopwood, an organizer of the Raise the Rates Coalition, when I asked him about Kershaw’s message about generational inequality. “It’s not that we’re stealing from the future, it’s that the rich are stealing from all of us.”

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-02-03 07:09:35

“…Since 1976, the price of residential real estate has gone up 240% in Metro Vancouver….”

That is a 2.5% annual increase. That does not seem so out of balance, given the costs associated with commodities and labor.

I get it that median incomes are not keeping pace, which is what takes the prices out of reach, so it is likely Vancouver will face a correction in pricing.

My point is that all these hyperbolic statements about housing inflation over a 38 year period are somewhat misleading.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-03 07:22:27

You’re misleading too but that does stop you from misleading.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 10:24:23

‘Forget about off-the-plan apartments. What cashed-up overseas Chinese buyers really want is a house in Australia, and more precisely, the land on which the house sits. For the right house in the right suburb, they are outbidding Australian buyers by $100,000 to $200,000 – and sometimes more – to secure the property. They are importing inflation to their country of choice.’

‘One buyer, who didn’t want to give his name, experienced the competition first-hand recently when he looked to buy a home in Epping, a Northern Sydney suburb. “We saw this house on a Saturday afternoon and when we went to make an offer on the Monday morning, it was already sold - $200,000 more than the asking price ($1 million),” he says.’

‘He subsequently found out that the young Chinese buyer intended to knock it down and spend another $500,000 building a new house on the site. “In Sydney’s leafy mid-north shore suburbs, it is not uncommon to see old houses knocked down and brand new double brick two-storey mansions in their place,” says Goldman, chief executive of Leda Real Estate.’

‘Joseph Ngo, branch manager of LJ Hooker Glen Waverley agent in Melbourne, says it is not unusual for his agency to sell homes in sought-after Melbourne suburbs for $100,000-$200,000 above the expected sale price. “I recently sold a home for $2.3 million - $500,000 over the asking price,” he says. “They pay $1.2-$1.3 million for a house and think nothing of tearing it down. Then build a 60-square (557 square metres) mansion on the land. They are buying the land, not the house,” says Ngo.’

‘John McGrath, chief executive of McGrath Estate Agents, says: “We have seen buyer inquiries from clients of Chinese origin (local and overseas) double in the last 12 months.”

‘NSW experienced 45 per cent growth - the highest in the nation - in foreign investment in residential real estate. In total, FIRB recorded residential sales of $4.2 billion to overseas Chinese buyers in the 2012 financial year - up 70 per cent on the $2.4 billion recorded in 2009-10.’

‘Many of these buyers have friends or relatives in Australia to bid for them. Those without the local connections are still able to purchase - and there have been countless anecdotes of overseas Chinese buyers flying in to inspect and buy Australian properties they found on the internet.’

‘According to the FIRB website, foreigners can buy established properties in Australia if they have valid visas – for example, work or student visas. The rationale is that they need somewhere to live, but must sell when the visa expires. While foreigners are otherwise technically not allowed to buy established homes, a Canberra government source said non-resident foreign persons can buy, but they need to apply for approval to buy established dwellings for redevelopment.’

‘Juwai’s Taylor says China’s economic ascendancy has unleashed unprecedented purchasing power for its citizens, and is now washing up on the shores of Australia, the United States, Europe, South America, and Southeast Asia. “The true power of the Chinese buyer is represented by more than 63 million people whose wealth and incomes provide them with the ability to purchase international property,” says Taylor, who points out that 90 million Chinese search for property online every month. More than 60 per cent pay in cash.’

‘The mainland Chinese passion for real estate remained unfulfilled in their home market until about 15 years ago, when private ownership was first permitted, according to Taylor. “They are going through their first property cycle. Property is like gold to them.”

Comment by oxide
2014-02-01 18:36:40

Ben, what do the Chinese want these houses in Australia for? Safe houses? Education? I’m trying to figure out why the Chinese have not found Oil City yet. For the same price as one mid-price shack in the CA, a patriarch can buy an entire trailer park in the Midwest or Great Lakes states and import the whole family. Plenty water, good soil, clean air, existing utilities/sewer, state colleges which are on par with if not better than the CA system, and all the new McMansions you want at $50/sq ft.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 19:42:32

To make money.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 22:05:35

…or lose it.

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Comment by Muggy
2014-02-02 15:39:49

Just a thought: if people don’t like foreigners buying their land, they could put an end to it… says the guy who watched Canadians scope the ‘hood all day.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 11:57:00

‘Lao Tip Seiha, deputy general director of the Construction Department of the Ministry of Land Management, Urban Planning & Construction, said that Cambodia’s increasingly strong economy contributed to the growth of the construction sector.’

“People’s living standards are improving, and housing demand is strong, as an increasing number of investors, along with the tourism industry, contribute to growth of the construction sector,” Lao said.’

‘The majority of foreign investors in Cambodia are South Korean, Chinese, British, Japanese or Thai, according to ministry data.’

‘In 2012, investment growth in the construction sector peaked at 72 per cent, compared to 2011. In other words, growth slowed last year in comparison with 2012. “In terms of growth percentages in 2013, construction-sector investment increased, but declined somewhat in comparison with 2012,” Lao said.’

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 12:23:52

‘Philippine property development will continue to expand this year despite an expected slowdown in most of Asia, real estate services company CBRE Philippines said Thursday. “The Philippine sector will continue to accelerate in 2014… elsewhere in Asia, markets have slowed down,” said Rick Santos, CBRE Philippines chairman, told reporters at a briefing.’

“No longer is the Philippines an underestimated market, investors now see the sweet spot that is in all property fronts,” he added.’

‘Santos explained that restrictions in real estate investments in China, Singapore, Hong Kong and Malaysia will also result in funds flowing into the Philippines’ high-end residential sector.’

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 12:26:28

‘The slowdown, increased land prices, rising cost of construction materials have badly affected the realty sector and around 4,000 ready flats across the city are reportedly lying unsold. Kiran Chavan, president, Confederation of Real Estate Developers’ Association of India (Credai), Nashik said, “There are no new real estate projects being launched in the city currently. But the bookings are good in old schemes. The real estate projects with around 5,000 flats are under construction and nearing completion. But the hike in ready reckoner rates may badly affect the growth of the real estate sector.”

‘A source said, “There are around 10 large projects over 20,000 sq m of land with around 3,000 flats altogether under construction, but their constructions have been halted due to lack of environment clearance.’

‘The land prices in Nashik have increased by three to 20 times in different parts of the city in the past six-seven years. The land prices, which were in the range of Rs 1,100 to 15,000 per war (per nine sq ft) in different parts of the city six-seven years ago, have increased to Rs 8,000-Rs 35,000 per war.’

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 12:41:22

With just a slight rewording, you can rewrite this paragraph so it describes the pre-2007 housing situation in the western U.S.:

Chinese Californians are buying homes in California Oregon since they are experiencing a bubble in China California. Everybody wants to own a home in California Oregon.”

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 12:45:33

P.S. Just because the California housing bubble collapse had major contagion effects in all the other states where California investors speculated doesn’t mean the China housing bubble collapse will have a similar effect in California markets where all-cash Chinese investors used cash to snap up foreclosure homes. After all, this time is different.

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-02-03 07:18:32

Whac, do we have any indicators of the metrics for foreign buyers in CA, and for that matter the CA buyers in OR?

If the prices are set in the “margins” (small amounts of over demand or over supply have an oversized effect), then getting a handle on that factor is important.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 13:16:56

‘The rental prices of mining and resources-rich parts of Central Queensland are deflating. The most dramatic rental shifts shown by figures from Australian Property Monitors were in Gladstone, Mackay and in the coalfields region of Isaac where the average weekly rent for a house fell by more than $100 in 12 months.’

‘Renting a home in the coalfields near Moranbah cost an average of $600 a week at the end of 2012, it is now closer to $400 a week. In Gladstone, median rents fell 23% from $572 to $440. In Mackay, rents in the past year fell 19.2% from $520 a week to $420 a week.’

‘APM senior economist Dr Andrew Wilson said the fall of rentals in Queensland boom towns was “the hangover after the party” as the resources industry began to cool. “The prices did get a little over-inflated in the mining areas,” he said. “It was inflated by over-investment by non-local investors. We see quite a steep decline in rents over 18 months as (rents) have adjusted backwards.”

‘The housing investment boom that drove up property prices in Mackay and Gladstone is now looming for the Southern Downs and Toowoomba, with property experts warning of a possible bubble. New regional data from Australian Property Monitors shows increasing house prices in Warwick and Toowoomba.’

“The question is whether Toowoomba will move too far ahead,’ APM senior economist Dr Andrew Wilson said. “There is a lot of investor interest in the Toowoomba market because it is the gateway to the Surat Basin,” Dr Wilson said. “It’s perceived now as an investor hotspot - I’m not sure if that’s a great positive given the experience of Gladstone.”

‘The price for a house or unit in Gladstone has tumbled between 8% and 17% in the past year as its market overheated by billions in gas infrastructure now continues to cool.’

‘In the coalfields shire of Isaac, west of Mackay, house prices dropped by almost 22% from $397,000 down to $310,000. These were prices long inflated by the huge demand created by the resources industry, be it gas development in Gladstone or coal mining in Isaac and Mackay.’

‘The now-calming prices of Central Queensland’s mining provinces once drove locals from their home towns as they were increasingly priced out of the market, the effect of a “property bubble”.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-01 15:37:37

‘The now-calming prices of Central Queensland’s mining provinces once drove locals from their home towns as they were increasingly priced out of the market, the effect of a “property bubble”.

I certainly hope some bright, budding economist gets to work soon on calculating the aggregate household dislocation costs of the global residential real estate bubble. The figure has to be ginormous, and I’m 99.9% certain nobody has looked at this yet!

 
 
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2014-02-01 15:13:28

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-01-31 06:11:13

“You can’t lose money in real estate comapared to currency devaluation.”

Conversely, you can lose your shirt buying overvalued real estate just before a decades-long correction.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-01 18:38:40

‘The Year of the Wooden Horse, which began last Friday, will be bumpy, at least in the first few months, according to a feng shui expert. Geomancer Andy Tan said that in Oriental tradition, the Year of the Wooden Horse has always been viewed as challenging, and this year will be no different.’

“This horse is like a stallion that has not been ridden yet,” he said. “It doesn’t want to be ridden, so the first six months [of this year] will be very volatile.”

‘Tan—who has been practicing feng shui and consulting for major real estate developments for over two decades—said the volatility of the Year of the Wooden Horse would be felt in business and politics, both here and abroad.

“The general attitude will be quite erratic in the first half,” he said, adding that, as early as today, a cursory glance at the business headlines would indicate that a rough ride is coming for businessmen, especially those whose businesses are affected by the gyrations of the financial markets.’

‘Tan pointed out that the beginning of the Chinese Lunar New Year coincided with recent developments in the United States, where the Federal Reserve had decided to slowly reduce the amount of liquidity it pumped into the economy each month. The reduction in liquidity would result in higher interest rates around the world, the expectation of which is already felt through higher volatility in some emerging markets.’

“This will be very, very challenging,” Tan said, explaining that the reduction in the liquidity pumped by the US central bank into the global economy would filter down to the Philippines, likely resulting in the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas raising its own interest rates, to the detriment of businesses that rely on loans for their day-to-day operations.’

“This is when the horse will start to buck,” Tan said.’

‘Tan predicted that the businesses that would do well this year were those that are “close to the earth,” given that the current horse year would be ruled by the element of wood.’

“Agriculture would be good, along with construction and real estate,” he said. “There’s no [real estate] bubble, and [even if there is], it will not burst.”

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-02 08:06:52

This is getting interesting:

‘Dallas Federal Reserve Bank President Richard Fisher defended the U.S. central bank for charges from overseas that it was recklessly ignoring the impact of tapering on other countries. “Some believe we are the central bank of the world and should conduct policy accordingly. We are the central bank of America,” Fisher said in a speech in Forth Worth, Texas, according to Dow Jones.’

‘On Thursday, Raghuram Rajan, the chief of India’s central bank, said that “international monetary cooperation has broken down.” He added that industrial countries “cannot wash their hands off and say ‘we will do what we need to and you do the adjustment you need to.’ “We will certainly do the adjustment we need to…but they may not like the kind of adjustments we are forced to do down the line,” Rajan said.’

From the comments:

‘I wonder if India decides that other countries are stealing its brain power and asks all its citizens whether working abroad or domestically for foreign companies to quit their jobs and return to India within a month. This will be done to safeguard India’s interest without regard for other countries’ interest. There will be some pain for India in the short-term white most Western countries will cease to function with its lazy population begging for help. I guess that is acceptable too.’

‘I’m sorry, didn’t the USA insist we leave the gold standard and have the us dollar as reserve currency. So didn’t they already set themselves up for that to begin with. Oh that’s right it suited then but don’t now!’

‘Aren’t we all responsible for the ones we have domesticated? This change of heart on part of the Fed is really strange: for decades the Fed spoke and acted like a de-facto Central Bank for the entire world, and in fact appeared happy to assume that position - why this change, and why now, of all times? Are emerging nations becoming a little bit too unruly and the Fed wants them to toe the line?’

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 08:50:24

“Some believe we are the central bank of the world and should conduct policy accordingly.”

There is a precedent.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 08:54:47

Fed’s Once-Secret Data Compiled by Bloomberg Released to Public
By Phil Kuntz and Bob Ivry Dec 22, 2011 9:01 PM PT

Bloomberg News today released spreadsheets showing daily borrowing totals for 407 banks and companies that tapped Federal Reserve emergency programs during the 2007 to 2009 financial crisis. It’s the first time such data have been publicly available in this form.

To download a zip file of the spreadsheets, go to http://tinyurl.com/b8nbj7c. For an explanation of the files, see the one labeled “1a Fed Data Roadmap.”

The spreadsheets can also be downloaded from here.

The day-by-day, bank-by-bank numbers, culled from about 50,000 transactions the U.S. central bank made through seven facilities, formed the basis of a series of Bloomberg News articles this year about the largest financial bailout in history.

“Scholars can now examine the data and continue the analysis of the Fed’s crisis management,” said Allan H. Meltzer, a professor of political economy at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh and the author of three books on the history of the U.S. central bank.

The data reflect lending from the Asset-Backed Commercial Paper Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility, the Commercial Paper Funding Facility, the Primary Dealer Credit Facility, the Term Auction Facility, the Term Securities Lending Facility, the discount window and single-tranche open market operations, or ST OMO.

Bloomberg News obtained information about the discount window and ST OMO through the Freedom of Information Act. While the Fed initially rejected a request for discount-window information, Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg News, filed a federal lawsuit to force disclosure and won in the lower courts. In March, the U.S. Supreme Court decided not to intervene in the case, and the Fed released more than 29,000 pages of transaction data.

The Fed later supplied additional data to fill in gaps in its initial response. Bloomberg News is updating an interactive graphic it first published in August to add the new information.

Congress required the Fed to post data to its website in December 2010 on six broad-based programs, its assistance to Bear Stearns Cos. and American International Group Inc. and more general information on its mortgage-backed securities purchases and so-called foreign-currency liquidity swaps. Those data were presented in spreadsheets that made it difficult to gauge how much individual banks were borrowing from the various programs on any given day.

Some reported totals from media outlets and government studies varied widely. In connection with today’s release, here’s a by-the-numbers explanation of the variations:

$1.2 trillion — The Fed’s actual lending to banks and financial companies at its single-day peak, Dec. 5, 2008, through the seven programs Bloomberg News studied in depth.

Emergency measures that targeted specific companies — Bear Stearns, AIG, Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. — were excluded from Bloomberg’s analysis because they were previously disclosed. Loans to these companies from the other seven programs were included.

Bloomberg excluded foreign-currency liquidity swaps because names of commercial banks that borrowed under the program haven’t been disclosed to the public.

$1.5 trillion — The Fed’s own number to represent its peak lending. This amount included the foreign-currency liquidity swaps, according to the Fed website. Under the swap lines, the Fed lends dollars to foreign central banks, which in turn lend the money to local banks. Only the names of central banks involved in the transactions have been made public.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 09:00:32

The tinyurl link is still open. A quick scan down the list of names of bailout recipients shows that many foreign financial institutions received largess from the Fed while Main Street America got thrown under the bus.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-02 09:05:33

So foreign CB’s and their smaller banks are getting squeezed…. You all know what that means for their citizenry right? And you do know that the contagion will spread to the Fed right? And you know what happens after that right?

If you’re servicing debt, you’ve got a problem. A big problem.

 
Comment by Patrick
2014-02-02 09:55:47

HA Your right.

“contagion will spread to the Fed right?”

Foreign devaluation begets higher interest rates there. Their bonds are bought. The Fed defends with higher rates to attract those dollars back.

They cannot afford to see their counterfeit proxies residing defacto in a foreign country because then they would have to be actually repaid.

China/Japan concentration of dollars expressed thru control in their currencies has sort of worked by MAD.

It cannot be controlled when 100 different countries are forced to respond to look after their individual interests.

I can sort of hear that Giant Flushing Sound beginning.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 11:40:06

“contagion will spread to the Fed right?”

Payback is a by-atch.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 08:58:33

How come U.S. households can’t enjoy low-interest financial bailout loans from the Fed during a financial crisis, the way that local governments in Belgium, a Japanese fishing-cooperative financier and a company part-owned by the Central Bank of Libya were able to at the height of the financial crisis? I thought the Fed was America’s central bank?!

Foreign Banks Tapped Fed’s Secret Lifeline Most at Crisis Peak
By Bradley Keoun and Craig Torres Apr 1, 2011 10:53 AM PT

U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s two-year fight to shield crisis-squeezed banks from the stigma of revealing their public loans protected a lender to local governments in Belgium, a Japanese fishing-cooperative financier and a company part-owned by the Central Bank of Libya.

Dexia SA (DEXB), based in Brussels and Paris, borrowed as much as $33.5 billion through its New York branch from the Fed’s “discount window” lending program, according to Fed documents released yesterday in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. Dublin-based Depfa Bank Plc, taken over in 2007 by a German real-estate lender later seized by the German government, drew $24.5 billion.

The biggest borrowers from the 97-year-old discount window as the program reached its crisis-era peak were foreign banks, accounting for at least 70 percent of the $110.7 billion borrowed during the week in October 2008 when use of the program surged to a record. The disclosures may stoke a reexamination of the risks posed to U.S. taxpayers by the central bank’s role in global financial markets.

The caricature of the Fed is that it was shoveling money to big New York banks and a bunch of foreigners, and that is not conducive to its long-run reputation,” said Vincent Reinhart, the Fed’s director of monetary affairs from 2001 to 2007.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-02-02 09:00:54

Headline:”Latest trend in ultra-high-endpriced homes: foreclosures”

http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/news/2013/12/04/latest-trend-high-end-home-foreclosure.html

“Florida and California have accounted for more than 60 percent of all high-end foreclosure activity this year.”

This is what happens when you borrow money to pay inflated prices for a depreciating asset…… foreclosure and bankruptcy.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-02 10:14:41

‘Norway’s Prime Minister Erna Solberg warned of “insecurity” gripping the nation’s housing market as deflating prices coincide with a rise in the jobless rate in Scandinavia’s richest economy. Norwegian house prices have dropped 5 percent since August as the market retreats from a half-decade-long real estate boom.’

‘Norway’s Financial Supervisory Authority this week rejected pleas from Solberg’s government to ease guidelines in place since 2011 that limit loans to 85 percent of a home’s value. The FSA said banks are already flexible in their compliance with mortgage guidelines and signaled new measures may be needed to curb household debt growth.’

‘Nordea Bank AB (NDA), the largest Nordic lender, says Norway’s housing market may sink as much as 20 percent over the next two years, forcing the central bank to cut rates twice in 2014.’

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 11:50:02

I know a Norwegian economist who sold at the top last spring. It pays to be early when it comes to cashing out Housing Bubble wealth effects.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-02 10:18:48

‘Kenyan property prices remained substantially flat in 2013, according to a housing survey. HassConsult Marketing Manager Sakina Hassanali told a media briefing in Nairobi that home owners are longer enjoying the year on year capital appreciation they recorded in previous years. “As a result investment in property is thus beginning to lose its sparkle,” Hassanali said.’

‘Kenya’s residential property market has enjoyed more than ten years of extraordinary growth. According to Hassanali, houses that are accessible to main roads have continued to sell rapidly even as they achieve rising prices. “While ill conceived properties have sometimes remained unsold for a long time,” she said.’

‘Hass Index Consultant Jenny Luesby said that the marked slowdown in property prices is a worrying concern. “However, Kenya is unlikely to experience a property bubble,” Luesby said. “The market is largely cash driven and so the argument of a bubble does not apply in the Kenyan market,” she said.’

‘The consultant said that Kenya’s balance of payments and public sector deficits have put the property industry under increasing pressure. “The new and extended tax burdens have stretched both builders and buyers alike,” she said.’

Comment by In Colorado
2014-02-02 15:47:01

LOL! They even had a bubble in Nairobi

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-02-03 19:56:13

A client of mine went to build hotels in Nairobi in 2010. He said room rates were $350/night and it was relatively inexpensive to build hotels. Cheap labor and the highest cost was construction materials. He has not come back yet, so I don’t know how he did.

I recommended Housing Analyst be his construction manager….HA, HA, HA, ’cause he can build a hotel for $50/SF…even in Kenya.

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-02-03 19:58:55

Just checked the internet…a high end “Marriott” type hotel is $339/night…..thru Orbitz.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-02 10:28:07

‘The International Monetary Fund has raised its 2014 economic growth forecast for the United Arab Emirates to 4.5 per cent but warned of a potential property bubble if authorities were not careful. “The real estate sector in particular has seen a steep recovery, with prices in the Dubai residential real estate market having increased rapidly in selected areas,” said Harald Finger, the IMF’s mission chief, following a staff visit.’

‘Growth should be aided by a number of megaprojects, although their total cost, pace of execution and financing remain uncertain, and Dubai’s hosting of the Expo 2020 exhibition, the IMF also said. “If not implemented prudently, these projects could exacerbate the risk of a real estate bubble,” Finger said, echoing the Fund’s warnings from last November and June.’

“Moreover, these projects may create additional financial risks for Dubai’s government-related entities (GREs) and the banking system in light of the still considerable debt overhang from the 2009 crisis.’ he said.”

‘House prices in Dubai have climbed more than 20 percent over the past year – higher than any major global market – as billions of dollars of government real estate projects triggered a buying spree and stock market bull run.

The IMF also welcomed last year’s doubling in Dubai’s real estate fees to four per cent designed to stem the speculation.

“The (Dubai) Real Estate Regulatory Agency (RERA) is thinking about differentiated fees now to discourage further the quick re-selling or flipping particularly of off-plan property,” Finger told Reuters.

The IMF also said the central bank’s newly implemented regulations on loan concentration and real estate exposure for banks will help protect the soundness of the banking system. “Looking ahead, the Central Bank could consider further tightening these rules if price increases in the real estate market remain very large,” Finger said in the statement.’

Hmmm.

‘considerable debt overhang from the 2009 crisis’

 
Comment by Fang Nu
2014-02-02 13:26:06

We are using the chinese.
No other country is so stupid as to sell a product that costs $30 to build and ship, for $3.99

They buy our recycled garbage(real garbage)
They buy our excess housing for far too much

They do all of this simply so their backward ass can go to the prom.
They are a pig in self applied lipstick.

When they crash, soon, they will close the gates for 300 years and experience a PolPot period, then proceed without us.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-02 13:33:28

“They buy our recycled garbage(real garbage)
They buy our excess housing for far too much”

So far as I can tell, nobody is putting a gun to their heads to make them buy.

Comment by Fang Nu
2014-02-02 13:42:06

You don’t have to put a gun to the head of a stupid person to make them do stupid things.

Tell me about what you meant, because I’m not finding relevance or logic.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-02-03 00:18:34

The logic is that if people (including all-cash Chinese investors) get badly burned when the Echo Bubble collapse, I certainly hope nobody proposes or executes any bailouts for them, as they made their own beds and lay down in them.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-02 17:12:36

‘The average apartment price in Romania plunged to 898 euros per square meter at the end of 2013 from more than 2,000 euros in 2008, an index from property listings website and consultancy imobiliare.ro shows. Still, the government’s First Home program may be keeping prices artificially high, according to Andrei Radulescu, an analyst at Romanian brokerage SSIF Broker SA told Bloomberg.’

“The program prevented a possible natural adjustment of the market that would have brought home prices closer to their fair value,” he said. “Without it, I think the banking sector would also have adjusted more quickly.”

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-02-02 18:26:57

‘London’€™s housing market is beginning to show “bubble-like conditions” as overseas investors bid up prices and buyers take on more debt to purchase properties, according to a report today by the EY Item Club, the London-based group sponsored by EY, formerly Ernst & Young.’

‘Surging London home prices, buoyed by demand from overseas investors and government initiatives to aid buyers, have prompted economists, analysts and politicians to warn of unsustainable gains. Asia has been a particularly strong source of demand for the best London properties, EY Item Club said, citing brokers.’

‘People living outside the U.K. bought half of all new homes sold in London’s best neighborhoods in the two years through June, broker Knight Frank LLP said in October. “Bursting a bubble at the luxury end of the market, which continues to attract interest from international cash buyers with the seemingly irresistible global draw of London’s X-factor, may prove tricky,” Dean Hodcroft, U.K. and Ireland head of real estate, hospitality and construction at EY, said in the statement.’

X-factor?

 
Comment by clark
2014-02-02 23:53:40

X-factor? No doubt, what the heck is that?

Is it because London is the central hub of the B.I.S. which is the controlling fist of the world’s central banks?

That’s my best guess.

 
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