March 14, 2014

An Oversupply Of Houses Has Surfaced

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “In many parts of the country, home prices are nearly back to where they were at the peak. A major factor in the price rise is hedge funds, private equity firms and other large investors. One place where investors have been very active is Florida’s Palm Beach County. Jeff Lichtenstein is a real estate agent there, and he’s busy. He’s listing and selling homes at a pace reminiscent of the go-go days of the last real estate boom back in 2005 and 2006. ‘I have 19 or 20 under contract right now, which is the most I’ve had at any given time,’ he says.”

“Jack McCabe, an independent real estate consultant, has worked with some of these investment groups. He says he has seen many cases where they outbid the competition by paying more than the asking price, in some cases 25 to 50 percent more. ‘You ask yourself, ‘Why would these smart financial guys be overpaying for things?’ he says. ‘I believe it’s to bolster the market, to shut out their competition and to realize as much profit as they can in as short a period of time as they can.’”

“Five years after the federal government bailed out more than 1 million struggling homeowners, many who got the relief may end up losing their homes after all. Already, nearly 30 percent of those who qualified for relief have defaulted again. And roughly 800,000 borrowers who remain enrolled in the government’s flagship program will see their mortgage interest rates gradually rise starting this year.”

“The HAMP borrowers won’t be the only ones dealing with an increase. Many lenders developed loan-modification programs similar to the government’s initiative. Pauline James, a New York City homeowner, is one of those other borrowers. In December, they learned that their interest rate would increase to 4.6 percent, which it did this month, adding $200 to their monthly payment. It will keep climbing over the next several years, she said. ‘I don’t know how this is going to work, because I still don’t have a job,’ said James. ‘Things have gotten worse, not better. Why do they think I can pay more money?’”

“The blight of abandoned homes in foreclosure — so-called ‘zombie properties’ — hasn’t improved. According to RealtyTrac, 21 percent of homes in foreclosure nationwide in February had been vacated by the owner—unchanged from one year earlier. University of Arizona law professor Brent White said there’s an even worse problem for the housing market right now: ‘Hundreds of thousands of bank-owned properties that are similarly ‘zombie properties,’ for which banks have foreclosed and then just let the properties sit there.’”

“There’s the broken windows theory, and then there’s 142 Eastern Ave. It was all exposed for the neighborhood to see Feb. 19 when heavy snow caused the walls to buckle and splay. The city stepped in under emergency conditions and knocked down part of the building for fear that it would collapse. Grace Ross, of the Worcester Anti-Foreclosure Team, asked what the point was of the bank, which acquired the house through foreclosure in 2007, holding on to it rather than letting people live in it. She said the banks often argue in court that foreclosing on properties like 142 Eastern Ave. helps them recover value. ‘Well, what did they get out of this?’ Ms. Ross asked.”

“Donna Mejias said she’s going to court this week to try to keep JPMorgan from foreclosing on her house. She said she was laid off from the city in 2009, and drained retirement and 401K accounts to try to keep up with the mortgage. She found work again at lower pay, and said her efforts to modify the terms of her mortgage have been met with resistance from the bank. ‘This is what’s going to happen to my house if I have to leave,’ Ms. Mejias said.”

“‘After Katrina there were numerous, and I mean numerous properties sold to investors from out of state, particularly California at inflated prices with the promise that the rental market would support those high prices,’ said Karen Peters, property manager for Billy Hewes Real Estate. ‘Well guess what? The market deflated. Duplexes that were sold for $160,000 to $180,000 are [now] only worth maybe $60,000 to $80,000 and rents have dropped from between $900 to $1100 per month to $650 to $750. With the rising cost of insurance and taxes, there are a lot of those investment properties now going into foreclosure.’”

“Jone Joakimsen had to accept less money than he asked for when he sold his house outside Stavanger, Norway. He counted himself lucky: His neighbor’s home had been on the market since October. Joakimsensold his four-bedroom home in Sola for 4.7 million kroner ($776,000), 50,000 kroner below the asking price. While it was on the market for 10 days, he received only one bid, dashing his expectations for the bidding war that sellers have come to expect. ‘It’s sort of a painful process,’ he said. Sellers ‘don’t realize that they have to reduce the price because the market value has decreased.’”

“Landlords, including prospective ones, are getting the jitters as new units flood the market amid tighter manpower policies that are slowing the growth of arrivals. Private home rents fell 0.5 per cent in the three months to Dec 31, from a 0.2 per cent gain in the preceding quarter. This was the first quarterly decline since 2009, according to Singapore’s Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) data. A potential oversupply looms in the background, with a total of 17,540 private homes expected to reach completion this year, while a further 21,299 will be ready for occupation next year. This will peak in 2016 with a remarkable 27,321 completions, and another 11,963 expected to be built in 2017.”

“With property prices losing steam, experts say that selling is hardly a viable option now, even for hard-pressed owners. Mr Ku Swee Yong, chief executive of property firm Century 21, expects the market to stay weak for the next four years, with rents dipping 25 per cent over the next two years. ‘If you don’t have a problem footing the monthly mortgage payments, just hold on to it because you’re not likely to get a good price and it’s difficult to buy again,’ says Mr Ku.”

“China’s property market soared ‘maniacally’ in 2013, while official figures showed that prices for newly constructed commercial and residential units in first-tier cities — Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen — have surged more than 20% since September last year, reports Guangzhou’s 21st Century Business Herald, citing market experts. In February, the volume of Beijing’s resale housing transactions was 5,441 units, a drop of 46.3% year-on-year. It is clear that Beijing’s excessively high housing prices have curbed demand, the paper said.”

“In addition, the total area of completed construction of housing units in Beijing exceeded the total sale area in 2013. This means that an oversupply of houses has surfaced in the city’s property market and if the trend continues, it will become a pressure to drive down home prices.”

“As a senior World Bank official in Washington from 1997 to 2010, Graeme Wheeler saw how the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis unleashed a global financial meltdown. Since taking the helm of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand in September 2012, he has drawn on that experience, introducing lending restrictions last year to try to deflate an overheated housing market. Now he’s turning to conventional tools, becoming the first central banker in the developed world this year to start raising interest rates.”

“Wheeler said yesterday that adding goals such as employment to the central bank’s mandate wouldn’t result in lower borrowing costs. He also rejected suggestions by politicians at a parliamentary committee hearing that he was smothering the economic recovery before it had taken hold. ‘Central banks are often cast as being the ones to take away the punchbowl when the party gets into its swing,’ he said. ‘People shouldn’t forget that the Reserve Bank spiked the punch. To get this party going, to get the recovery underway, we reduced interest rates to the lowest level in 50 years.’”

“Lodge Real Estate’s managing director, Jeremy O’Rourke, said February’s residential real estate numbers released by the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand today point to the fact buyers’ ‘fear of missing out’ is virtually gone from the Hamilton housing market. ‘The number of house sales in Hamilton city during February was much lower than the past two Februaries. First of all, there has been a good amount of quality stock on the market, so buyers are content to sit back, look around and wait for the right property to come along. Secondly, as we’ve been saying for months, first home buyers have pulled right out of the market.’”

“‘This is very different to six months ago when buyers were snapping up quality properties very quickly,’ he said.”




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Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 05:00:35

“…..numerous properties sold to investors from out of state, particularly California at inflated prices…..”

First rule of owning SFR rental property: Buy only in areas where you are able to easily drive by the property on your normal daily routine. People who buy property in another state don’t realize the problems they create. If something goes wrong, you pay $500 just for a plane ticket, or get to enjoy a 5 hour drive, just to take care of a minor problem. That puts a dent in your time and your cash flow.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 05:16:24

No.

The first rule to understanding housing is that paying more than reproduction costs of $55/sq ft, is a money losing proposition.

Remember…. housing depreciates rapidly.

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 07:50:27

That is the second rule. You can still pay $55/SF and still be a $500 plane trip away from the asset. Why just the cost of the trip almost equals 10 SF at $55/SF at those prices. Ten trips and you lose a 500 SF bedroom. HA!

 
Comment by doom
2014-03-14 14:59:31

The first rule of thumb is cost about 10k to build a BMW, so I

Comment by doom
2014-03-14 15:03:37

Well this post needs to be completed. I will go into a BMW dealer and offer them $20,00 for 50k car because it cost them 10k to produce?

As usual you make little sense in relation to the year 2014 and the cost of living in 2014.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 15:38:47

‘I will go into a BMW dealer…’

That was your first mistake.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 18:02:09

And trolling here is your 2nd.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-03-14 22:17:38

Boom! Or call that double Boom!

 
 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2014-03-14 06:02:58

better - nicaragua and el salvador- like on the Intl House Haters show

 
 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 05:04:50

LOL. “…..’just hold on to it because you’re not likely to get a good price and it’s difficult to buy again,’ says Mr Ku……”

So, it is always a good time to buy and never a good time to sell? Sounds like doublespeak: You can’t give it away and yet, you will never be able to get another one. Absurdities of bubbles 101.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 05:21:26

Clearly the current environment in housing is proof positive that excess empty housing inventory can’t be hidden forever. Not 25 million of them.

Comment by taxpayers
2014-03-14 06:06:43

where do you get the 25 mill from
using FL as a sample I get 5 million

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 08:09:46

HA likes to make stuff up. 25 million excess houses. Not just in default or foreclosed, but vacant too. He can also build a complete house for $55/SF, including land, permits, financing. 2,000 SF house for $110,000. If it was true, builders would be doing it. It is not even possible.

HA is a legend in his own mind.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 08:13:38

And we build them 5 days a week at $55/sq ft adding to the excess empty inventory.

Let’s revisit your last claim shall we? You stated; “I’m a general contractor”

I first asked you for a minor bid estimate for some gypboard. You ran away.

I then advised you that we have some very lucrative work in Sacramento and even gave you a brief narrative with material quantities, elevations and bid requirements.

You ran.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 09:16:15

I’m curious as to your company’s volume, how many homes did they build last year?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 09:36:24

I bet you’re curious about alot of things.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 09:56:32

And JingleFraud said you were a “general contractor” also. I take it you’re ghosting as jingle fraud too.

When does it ever end with you?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 10:39:06

3Q2011-1Q2013 I personally ran $19 million in new work. 1Q2013- to current a whole lot less but over a million.

How about you? What did you build in 2012?

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 11:41:57

HA, this was the question:

“I’m curious as to your company’s volume, how many homes did they build last year?”

___________________________

It is pretty clear, HA built ZERO houses last year. Why would he add to the 25,000,000 empty, excess, foreclosed inventory in the US?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 11:44:56

Well “general contractor”?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 11:56:40

We didn’t invest in any projects that required ground-up development (homes or commercial property) last year (or the year before). We can still find commercial assets at attractive enough pricing that we aren’t taking full development risk (but we will spend money on renovations).

And I don’t really care how big your book of business is, I’m wondering about your whole company and how active they are in homebuilding as opposed to other types of construction.

How many homes did they build? 100? 1,000? 10,000? None?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 12:10:54

We go where the $$ are J._…. houses, sky scrapers, ports, you name it. Call it a few thousand.

The question is How many have you built?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 12:45:39

Finally, an answer, a few thousand.

I haven’t built a single house, not one, ever.

However, we have invested capital into projects where the ultimate source of revenue was from selling homes that our investment was used to build.

We haven’t invested in a homebuilding project for a number of years. The last time we put money into such a subdivision was early 2000’s (sold out before 2006).

Over time, we’ve probably invested the capital supporting the construction of perhaps a couple of thousand homes.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 13:59:56

“I haven’t built a single house, not one, ever.”

Exactly. Nor has your $90k building permit friend.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 08:28:37

Comment by JingleMale
2014-02-24 16:06:58
I was busy working yesterday, so I must have missed a discussion thread. Just for the record, I was a licensed class B general contractor in the state of California.

Come to think of it, we have a project falling behind right in your backyard and I need a sub to do some miscellaneous work. Whatta ya say JingleBalls? I’ll give you some info so you can develop a quick ballpark. No pre-bid meetings, no closed bids.

-Mass excavation from EL32.25 to 10.33 for a proposed 3 sided structure pinned to existing, 14′ in to in, each way

-Cast 16″ double mat slab at EL10.33, #9 on 8″, Sched60 bar
-Cast walls on 3 sides from TOS to EL31.75, #9 on 12″, two faces
-Fly 1′ precast panels on to walls

We have the formwork on site and spreaders and rigging for panels so exclude mobilization from your quote. You provide excavator for mass exc and rigging, steel, concrete, rodbusters and woodpeckers. Site/civil is a net export so include that volume in your price.

The work is in Sacramento so we’re going to save a little on mobilization right?

I look forward to doing business with you.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 08:52:37

‘land, permits, financing. 2,000 SF house for $110,000. If it was true, builders would be doing it. It is not even possible.’

I’ve posted this before, but I’ll repeat it one more time. I know a guy who partnered to form a GC here locally. His partner has built hundreds of houses. He was eager to show me a spec house they were building a couple months ago. It’s a custom house; 3500 square feet, and that’s not counting the 3 vehicle garage including an RV bay. It’s not cheap to permit and build up here because of the weather related construction and energy requirements. He used the best subs, no illegals. He told me they did it for just under $40/sq ft. I’m sure that doesn’t include his profit, which would be a windfall if someone paid Flagstaff prices. As of yesterday it hadn’t sold.

A few years ago I was involved in buying a foreclosure in Arizona. The seller threw in the lot next door for nothing. In trying to decide what to do with this lot, I asked a GC to give me a bid for a 2/2. He came back with $48/sq ft, which included his profit. I recently sold the lot. I can still buy foreclosures for much less.

Imagine if you were buying land by the hundreds of acres, using illegal labor and throwing up crap shacks in Phoenix or the Inland Empire. I’d bet the cost would be in the mid-to low $30’s/sq ft.

In watching this custom house go up, it was interesting how little goes into it. A few guys work in stages here and there. It’s not like there are teams of PHD’s involved. You can believe what you want about this subject. But I’ll point out that the CEO of Toll Brothers used to show reporters around his house, proud of his Picasso’s and other multi-million dollar playthings. How do you think he gets that kind of money? Operating on a %5 profit margin that he has to split with shareholders?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 10:40:52

If the construction materials weren’t double in cost because of this global bubble, the cost would be considerably less.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 11:49:14

Ben, I don’t doubt in rural markets you can build an SFR for $40-50/SF of construction costs. That is only half the story. There is land, permits, financing costs, selling costs, holding costs, taxes, insurance, etc. The problem with building in rural markets is the houses can sit unsold for a long time, just as your example is sitting. High risk scenario. What is he asking for the property?

In urban markets it is much more expensive, but at least the product sells in a timely manner.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 11:52:36

No J.Fraud….

Water meters and building permits aren’t $90k.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 11:55:29

” in rural markets is the houses can sit unsold for a long time…”

That is just silly. Houses sit on market when they are overpriced. Population density does not change the supply/demand relationship.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 12:12:15

‘in rural markets’

I realize you don’t know this, but everything that goes into a house is more expensive here than Phoenix, even fuel and labor. That price did include permits, taxes, etc. They got the land cheap in foreclosure.

Look at at house; it’s big, right? A big box of air. On this house, the lumber package was $4,000, including shingles and assembled trusses. It took 4 guys (probably making $150 per day) 5 days to frame it out including the shingles. It’s just not that expensive to build a house.

I don’t know what they’re asking, I don’t talk about stuff like that with people I know. I’d be surprised if it was less than $300k.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 13:45:13

So it seems the price is about $100/SF or more.

That is what your builder seeks in Flagstaff to build a nice home with a 3 car garage. Sounds about right to me. That is quite a long way from representing no one should pay more than $55/SF for a house.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 13:49:00

‘no one should pay more than $55/SF for a house’

I prefer to pay around $12/sf. Maybe $22 if I’m in a hurry.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 14:01:55

“your builder”

Builder eh? Lol…. You’re a clown.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 14:16:33

That is a nice price at which to buy. How many have you found at the price?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 15:29:08

One finds what they are looking for and is blind to the rest. I paid $17/ft2. The lot and garage were tossed in for free. The utility didn’t charge me anything to put meters in. I paid the Village $40 for the privilege of making some improvements.

I wasn’t in too much of a hurry, but the pile of money I saved renting was mocking me and I wanted to pour some of it into my crafts. My studio has been up and running this winter and I’m having a hell of a good time.

I had to shovel the sidewalk yesterday after the blizzard, which I never did while renting. Oh well. Shortly I will go back to being a boat bum for the melted months.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 15:44:56

‘How many have you found at the price’

A few, on one I even got a free lot! Even now I see some at $25 to $32. You have to know how to accurately estimate repair costs. I’ll wait though. Prices are dropping fast and the real bargains are in distressed sales.

‘One finds what they are looking for and is blind to the rest’

This is what I don’t get about all these “investors” driving up prices. I’ve never done that. I leave the seller crying, beat up and humiliated. You should see zillow’s zestimate when my company enters a neighborhood. We used to say around here, if you don’t insult them with your first offer, you offered too much. That is very true. The way I look at it, I didn’t wait a lifetime for the biggest bust in history to bag a 9% return.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-03-14 22:24:00

Man this thread is a classic! Thanks Ben!

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2014-03-14 08:24:06

There’s a link somewhere (I can’t find it again) which DOES arrive at a figure of 25 million “distressed” homes. However, IIRC this link defines “distressed” as (in order of distress)

(a) Foreclosed empty ready for auction
(b) Foreclosed squatted
(c) Foreclosure in process
(d) Underwater with NOD
(e) Underwater with missed payment (is this NOD?)
(f) Underwater but fine making payments
(g) House worth = mortgage (barely above water) but has no money to pay selling/ closing costs
(h) House worth > mortgage and can afford selling/closing, but can’t afford 20% down on next house.
———–
Adds up to 25 million.

In my book, only (a) is empty and abandoned. HA seems to think that ALL of these houses are empty and abandoned, but that’s how he got 25 million.

[on a side note, I would count only (a) through (e) as shadow inventory.]

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 08:51:09

And don’t forget the 35 million currently occupied owned by boomers just starting to trickle on the market as boomers expire.

As far as the 25 million excess, empty and defaulted houses out there, the support data has been posted here over and over again.

Remember… housing demand is at 17 year lows and falling.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 09:22:02

“As far as the 25 million excess, empty and defaulted houses out there, the support data has been posted here over and over again.”

You keep saying that, but I don’t remember seeing anything other than links to other people quoting data…no source documents.

Are you referring to the Census vacancy data?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 09:37:48

You remember very well. You just didn’t like what you read.

http://www.southrustern.com/hbbcmt/index.cgi

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 12:09:11

Seriously, you give me that? Searching for “25 million” pulls up all sorts of posts going back to 2006 (many of which are talking about values “$125 million” is picked up).

Can’t you just tell me the source of your data?

I can, and do frequently–I know where all my numbers come from (and I share LOTS of numbers, citing the source everytime).

You regularly spout off a handful of numbers:

Home prices are 250% of the trend, 4.4MM excess homes in CA, 25MM excess homes in the US, etc.

Can’t you simply say where these numbers come from?

A short answer would suffice:

US Census?
NY Fed?
LPS?
Corelogic?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 12:17:47

And I’ve been asking for a LONG time for the source of your numbers:

http://www.thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=7301#comment-2071741

and still no answer.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 13:57:44

Youv been given an answer over and over again. You must don’t like it but keep quoting NAR.

 
Comment by Pete
2014-03-14 17:28:45

“Youv been given an answer over and over again.”

Then I imagine someone here remembers and will help us out.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 17:55:41

How cute…. enter clown #3.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 05:35:47

“He says he has seen many cases where they outbid the competition by paying more than the asking price, in some cases 25 to 50 percent more.”

There she is… the money quote.

Considering the massive and growing excess, empty and defaulted housing inventory, ask yourself this question;

Why is anyone “bidding” on a house in this environment of collapsing housing demand?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-03-14 06:12:42

‘I believe it’s to bolster the market, to shut out their competition and to realize as much profit as they can in as short a period of time as they can.’

Whither prices after this short period of high profits?

Comment by Bad Andy
2014-03-14 06:56:58

IMPOSSIBLE! Jack just said we weren’t headed toward another bubble.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-03-14 06:16:56

‘Hundreds of thousands of bank-owned properties that are similarly ‘zombie properties,’ for which banks have foreclosed and then just let the properties sit there.’

Is it really legal for banks to let houses just sit and decay, imposing blight on the neighboring residents’ property values?

Comment by Mr. Banker
2014-03-14 06:32:51

I suggest the city or county buy them up.

Comment by Mr. Banker
2014-03-14 06:33:59

Do it for the children.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-03-14 06:46:10

I suggest the city or county exercise eminent domain.

Want a Feisty Way to Fight Foreclosures?

Katrina vanden Heuvel on February 26, 2014 - 12:00 PM ET

The difference between a sweet victory and a dubious one is often a matter of perspective. Take the housing market which, we’re told, is recovering, albeit slowly and in fits and starts. This represents a trend, an upward-heading line on a chart, and a victory of sorts for the economy. But is it really a victory for the people?

The “housing market” that’s represented by that upward-heading line still comprises millions of underwater mortgage-holders (between 6 and 16 million, depending on who you ask), many of whom are now locked into a David-versus-Goliath battle against creditors that are trying to foreclose and evict them. On this level—where “housing” becomes “houses,” where rates of foreclosure become, for victimized families, “foreclosures”—an overall victory for the market doesn’t mean a whole lot. A trend, that is, has trouble enumerating the individual data points and stories that make it up. To make this dubious victory for the housing market a sweet victory for homeowners, the Home Defenders League, using an innovative concept called Local Principal Reduction, is fighting to write happy endings to some of those stories.

Local Principal Reduction provides a local solution for underwater homeowners facing foreclosure. The CARES program (Community Action to Restore Equity and Stability), developed by Professor Bob Hockett at Cornell Law School, empowers a municipality to work with private investors to acquire the worst private-label securities (PLS) mortgages in town. These are the notorious loans (often predatory) that have been sliced and diced and securitized into investment vehicles by Wall Street, and they are not backed by the federal government via Fannie, Freddie, or Ginnie Mae. Private-label securities are owned by investment trusts, not banks, and as such are not eligible for federal assistance programs. And because the original mortgages have been cut into so many pieces, it’s difficult—and sometimes impossible—to determine who has the authority to refinance them. In other words, underwater homeowners have no one to ask for a life preserver.

But under CARES, a city acquires these underwater mortgages, with the help of San Francisco–based Mortgage Resolution Partners, a law firm with the financial and legal expertise necessary to advise the municipalities and arrange for the private capital that’s necessary to buy the loans. After acquiring the loans, the city then works to refinance these mortgages at current market value, thereby offering a financial life raft—and four walls and a roof—to homeowners facing foreclosure.

But here’s the best part: If creditors refuse to sell, then the city can use the power of eminent domain to seize the properties and refinance them anyway. This saves neighborhoods and prevents the blight and decreasing property values that naturally accompany abandoned homes and empty neighborhoods.

The city of Richmond, California, is at the forefront of the LPR campaign. Bill Falik, an adjunct professor at Berkeley Law, explains: “Richmond has tremendous legal authority to condemn underwater mortgages.… It doesn’t matter if this is a highway project. Foreclosures and underwater properties reduce property taxes and reduce neighboring homes’ value. That’s called blight, and eminent domain is the authority for cities like Richmond to correct blight.” It’s a local solution to a national problem, a sweet victory bearing real results for real people, and more than an abstract line on a graph or a hollow-sounding discussion of “recovery.”

Comment by scdave
2014-03-14 07:19:03

That’s called blight, and eminent domain is the authority for cities like Richmond to correct blight.” ??

Whats next, your ugly beater car thats sitting in the driveway ??

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Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 09:26:28

Define “bank” and “bank-owned” (should be “lender” and “lender-owned”, IMHO).

You can look at the FDIC website and get into the aggregate balance sheets of the FDIC insured banks in the US, and see how their REO levels have fallen over time.

My suspicion (as supported by the FDIC data) is that more and more, the REO out there is not being held by “banks”, but being held by servicers of MBS who have foreclosed on property.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 09:39:54

You’re backpedalling.

Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 11:59:33

Backpedalling from what?

There are screams of “how can banks legally hold back REO?!?!”

I’m simply asking the question “who actually holds the REO?”

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 12:07:16

whatever you say J._

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 12:21:39

Doesn’t anyone get it?

A big reason that there was a problem in the first place is that banks sold the loans to investors after packaging them up to mask the risk (with complicity from ratings agencies).

If the banks actually held all the loans they made, they would have had tougher underwriting criteria, and the bubble wouldn’t have been blown so large.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 14:05:27

We get it alright. We got you too.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 14:48:57

RW is correct again. Not only that, the loan servicers collect huge fees for handling the RMBS portfolios. There is easily enough remainder income on the loans that they can dip into the cash flow before the pass on the remainder to the investors (bag holders).

The servicing attorneys bill $350/hour and are happy to sit around for 10-hours discussing the merits of a claim.

The banks have nothing to do with the asset after the loan was originated, pooled into a mortgage backed security and handed off to the loan servicing group, who is supposed to collect the loan payments and divvy up the proceeds to the investors…..they just like to dip into the gravy train before anyone gets their proceeds.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-15 05:15:07

^ endlessly try to construct arguments to support the magic ^

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-03-14 06:18:44

‘Well guess what? The market deflated. Duplexes that were sold for $160,000 to $180,000 are [now] only worth maybe $60,000 to $80,000 and rents have dropped from between $900 to $1100 per month to $650 to $750. With the rising cost of insurance and taxes, there are a lot of those investment properties now going into foreclosure.’

Sounds like Californians who invested in NOLA post-Katrina are taking a bath.

 
Comment by 2banana
2014-03-14 06:24:39

“In many parts of the country, home prices are nearly back to where they were at the peak.

Housing Bubble v2.0

Just 5 years after the last peak.

Pretty amazing when you think about it. Another housing bubble with absolutely NO fundamentals to support it (low unemployment, higher wages, etc.) and with the last housing bubble still fresh in everyone’s mind.

The power of a massive government to create cheap money, bailout their supporters/bankers and destroy people that save or who are in the middle class.

Comment by snake charmer
2014-03-14 07:12:55

This is one of those times when I agree with you. I don’t think the government will have the ability to do this again, because it will have expended its resources of trust and political legitimacy.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-03-14 06:25:14

“Now he’s turning to conventional tools, becoming the first central banker in the developed world this year to start raising interest rates.”

Any suggestions for Americans interested in purchasing New Zealand bonds?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-03-14 06:30:51

“First of all, there has been a good amount of quality stock on the market, so buyers are content to sit back, look around and wait for the right property to come along. Secondly, as we’ve been saying for months, first home buyers have pulled right out of the market.’”

My suggestion:

Unless you are independently wealthy to the point where you can afford to throw away money on real estate losses, you should never, ever even consider buying until the above conditions are met.

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 08:02:07

Whac is right.

I took his advice in 2008, 2009, & 2010, as all those conditions existed. Inventory was 300% greater than it is today. Fourteen months of inventory, if I recall correctly. There were no first time home buyers in the market….in fact, there were no home buyers in the market.

Houses were just sitting on the market for months. I would put in an offer and not even get a response for 3 months. I had to call the bank to remind them my offer was still good and 3 months later they signed it and I closed escrow.

We will get there again. The only question is when?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 08:05:13

Inventory is higher today than in 2009.

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 11:54:46

HA, you are a laugh a minute.

In 2009 there were 12,000 homes listed for sale in Sacramento metro.

In 2014 there are less than 5,000 homes listed for sale.

I understand you believe 5,000 is more than 12,000, but I have news for you. It is the other way around. Inventory is down almost 60% from 2009. And it is down 67% from 2008.

HA, a laugh a minute.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 11:57:56

Well “general contractor”? Are you going to bid on some very lucrative work I offered you?

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 11:41:08

This is likely to be like going down a flight of stairs. Each step down there will be a greater number in despair and a lesser number of knife catchers, debt donkeys with full saddle bags, investors and bailouts.

 
 
 
Comment by Maureen
2014-03-14 07:06:56

My thinking is that Wall Street is pushing for changes to the tax code and the elimination of loans guranteed by FHA, FNMA, and FHLMC in order to create a permanent class of people who will never be able to afford a home and so must rent.

Comment by taxpayers
2014-03-14 07:44:01

the gov loan programs didn’t work out too well. Like every gov program-they sck.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-03-14 08:04:44

There already is a permanent class of people who will never be able to afford a home. There always has been and there probably always will be. We thought that was changing in 2004-2006. It turns out these new homeowners were interested in owning, they just were not interested in making the loan payments.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 08:07:38

At current prices that are 250% higher than long term trend, why would anyone want to buy a house? You’d have to be an idiot.

Why else is housing demand at 17 year lows and inventory at record highs?

 
 
Comment by NihilistZerO
2014-03-14 08:18:39

Maureen, the tax code and federal mortgage programs are the exact things that peep prices high in the first place. Take away the FED cheese and prices drop making homes more affordable to those worthy of ownership. If 10-20% down and market interest rates were the norm, housing would cost HALF what it does today, maybe less. We shouldn’t be targeting some arbitrary percentage of home ownership. We should have an open and sound financial system where market forces are allowed to bring down the cost of housing (and everything else)

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 11:44:12

Taxpayer subsidies encourage people who really should rent to go deeply into debt.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 08:09:13

Venice, CA Housing Prices Crater 18% YoY

http://www.movoto.com/venice-ca/market-trends/

 
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Comment by In Colorado
2014-03-14 09:08:47

Jeff Lichtenstein is a real estate agent there, and he’s busy. He’s listing and selling homes at a pace reminiscent of the go-go days of the last real estate boom back in 2005 and 2006. ‘I have 19 or 20 under contract right now, which is the most I’ve had at any given time,’ he says.”

Someone is getting a new Lexus. And maybe a boob job for his lady.

 
Comment by oxide
2014-03-14 09:17:33

Income in Norway for educated people hovers around 50,000 kroner per month, or ~600,000 kroner/year.

The house in Stavenger sold for 4.7 million kroner, for an price:income ratio of 7.8. This is a country where a large pizza costs 250 kroner ($45). Insane.

http://mylittlenorway.com/2011/06/how-much-do-people-earn-in-norway/

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 09:28:48

‘a large pizza costs 250 kroner ($45)’

It’s impossible for them to build a pizza for so little per square foot.

Comment by In Colorado
2014-03-14 09:44:43

How much labor does it take to make a pizza? 5 minutes? 10 minutes?

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 10:10:35

‘On Thursday night, Wall Street priced the craziest deal since the heights of the Internet bubble and almost no one complained a bit.’

‘That deal was for Castlight Health (CSLT), a company that offers health information via the Internet to inform medical choices and reduce insurance costs. Sounds like a pretty good idea, and Castlight says it has helped some of its corporate customers reduce their health costs by more than 10% a year.’

‘Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and other lead underwriters priced Castlight’s shares at $16, above an already raised expected range of $13 to $15, giving the company a valuation of $1.4 billion. That’s billion with a “b.” Last year, Castlight had $13 million of total revenue. That’s million, with an “m.”

‘Then the stock opened on Friday at almost $40, giving it a valuation of over $3 billion!’

‘Jay Ritter, a professor at the University of Florida and my go-to source on IPOs for the past few decades, tells me that Castlight’s insane level of valuation – 107 times revenue (not profits, as they had huge losses last year) – of the original IPO pricing hasn’t been seen for a tech deal since the year 2000, the twilight of the 20th century. Of the prior 13 deals priced at 100 times revenue or more and sales of at least $10 million, the average 3-year return was -92%.’

‘And then there’s the curious case of Castlight’s present business. The company already has 24 corporate customers in the Fortune 500, including Walmart Stores (WMT). The retailing giant, which covers more than 1 million people under its employee health plans, was responsible for 16% of Castlight’s revenue, or about $2 million, under a contract which expires at the end of 2015.’

‘Does that seem like a massive revenue stream from one of the single largest healthcare providers in the nation? Not exactly. Again – they already have one of the biggest clients on the planet and the revenue is peanuts. Yikes.’

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Comment by In Colorado
2014-03-14 10:18:42

And we thought overpaying for a house was crazy.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2014-03-14 14:37:25

A different business model perhaps, but here’s a blast from the recent past:

Before there was WebMd, there was drkoop.com.

The health information Web site co-founded in 1998 by Reagan administration Surgeon General Dr. C. Everett Koop made a splash when it raked in $88.5 million in its June 1999 initial public offering.

The site was quickly ranked the No. 1 health care content site on the Internet, with an average of about 1.4 million unique visitors per month in 1999.

Drkoop.com attracted the attention of AOL a month after going public when the drkoop.com’s stock hit a high of $45.75 a share.

http://tinyurl.com/kdku5zz

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 11:49:53

‘a large pizza costs 250 kroner ($45)’

The price of slices will always go up. Lock in the whole pie now and slices will be free.

 
Comment by Oddfellow
2014-03-14 21:01:49

600,000 kroners a year for an educated norwegian. Divided by a 250 kroner pizza equals 2400. Say $60,000 a year for an educated american, and a $25 dollar pizza. that’s …2400.

Where is it insane?

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-03-14 21:07:34

‘Where is it insane?’

That’s what I was saying. How can they make a pizza for only $45? It should be twice that! More!

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-03-14 21:41:45

Whatever the market will bear! I bet minimum wage is a lot higher there, but it sounds like the pizza/educated income ratio is in line with us.

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Comment by a guy from Seattle
2014-03-14 09:53:00

When you say oversupply, are you referring to overpriced houses? Because the supply of affordable housing is scarce…

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-03-14 10:21:55

The idea is that there is an oversupply of homes including those held off the market for various dubious reasons (including to artificially prop up the price of the limited supply of homes that are on the market).

Comment by Rental Watch
2014-03-14 12:28:26

Here is the fundamental question:

What should supply be in terms of number of housing units for a given population?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 14:03:29

What does it matter when the over supply is in the 20-30 million range nationally?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 15:38:42

“fundamental question…”

The question is are you a creature of the housing mania. If so you will endlessly try to construct arguments to support the magic, to convince yourself that you did not buy at mania prices and that your towering debt burden is actually wealth.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-03-14 11:16:58

Chart Of The Day

Morgtage Purchase apps down to 1995 levels…… oh my word.

http://cdn.wallstcheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-12-at-8.49.55-AM-e1394632276555.png

Collapsing demand…… it’s what happens when the price is grossly inflated.

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-14 12:30:02

It’s what happens when loan lemmings run out of debt carrying capacity.

 
 
Comment by rms
2014-03-14 21:41:43

From: “Five years after the federal government bailed out…”

“We are living on a super-tight budget with only one car and just cannot afford any increase,” said Irving, a housing counselor.

WTF is a “housing counselor?”

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-03-15 04:07:53

Someone who knows from experience how to buy a house you cannot afford with money you don’t have.

Comment by rms
2014-03-16 23:41:18

+1 Indeed.

 
 
 
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