Slowing Chinese economy likely to pinch US, too
May 11, 2014
Last updated: Sunday, May 11, 2014, 1:21 AM
By PAUL WISEMAN and JOE McDONALD
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
A government billboard with the words “China Dream Is My Dream” near a construction site in Beijing. One analyst offers this reminder: “China is the second-largest economy on the planet.”
* Before cheering problems overseas, Americans should remember that economies are connected
WASHINGTON — After watching China narrow the U.S. lead as the world’s largest economy, Americans might be tempted to cheer signs that the Chinese economy might be stumbling.
But in an interconnected global economy, bad news for one economic superpower is typically bad news for another — even a fierce rival.
“It hurts,” says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. “China is the second-largest economy on the planet. If growth slows there, it affects everybody.”
Zandi estimates that each 1 percentage point drop in China’s economic growth causes as much damage to the U.S. economy as a $20-a-barrel increase in oil prices: It shaves 0.2 percentage point off annual U.S. growth.
That isn’t catastrophic. But to regain its full health nearly five years after the Great Recession officially ended, the U.S. economy needs whatever help it can get.
A sharp slowdown in China also threatens the 28-member European Union, which outweighs even the United States if measured as a single economy. China is the EU’s second-largest export market behind the United States.
A stream of economic news from China has been rattling financial markets. Chinese manufacturing slowed in April for a fourth straight month. A Chinese lending bubble, driven by overbuilding, is stirring alarm. China’s growth in the January-March quarter slowed to 7.4 percent compared with a year earlier. It was its slowest quarterly growth since the 2008-09 global crisis.
For most economies, 7.4 percent growth would qualify as explosive. The U.S. economy hasn’t grown as fast as 7 percent since 1984. But for China, a still-developing economy that clocked double-digit growth through much of the 2000s, the latest figures qualify as a slump.
And Americans and Chinese are linked ever more tightly economically.
They buy each other’s products, invest in each other’s markets, visit each other’s tourist attractions. U.S.-China trade in goods last year totaled $562 billion. China is the United States’ second-biggest trading partner and the No. 1 source of U.S. imports, according to the Congressional Research Service.
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A garbage collector walks past residential and office buildings in construction, in Hefei, Anhui province, April 3, 2014.
Credit: Reuters/Stringer
(Reuters) - China’s efforts to cool its property sector look to have been more effective than intended, as a sharp drop in construction activity and falling prices threaten what had been one of few firing engines of the world’s second-largest economy.
Developers know the market is struggling — their inventory is rising and prices are falling — but expect that authorities will relax their tight grip on the sector in coming months.
The government has long made it clear that economic growth would moderate as it tries to reform the economy. But by keeping the pressure on property too long, analysts fear the fallout will be more severe than anyone had expected.
“To us, it is no longer a question of ‘if’ but rather ‘how severe’ the property market correction will be,” Nomura analysts said in a report.
New housing starts in the first quarter fell 25.2 percent compared to a year ago, Nomura calculated, as tighter credit conditions, oversupply and falling prices undermined the market.
They estimated the property slump could take a full percentage point off China’s economic growth this year, knocking it below 7 percent for the first time since 1990. The government is targeting growth of about 7.5 percent.
The downturn really gained traction in late 2013 after more than four years of government efforts to tame record home prices and avoid an asset price bubble. Authorities also wanted to channel money towards consumption and productive investments.
“When sales slow and there are still inventories, the development momentum can moderate slightly; there’s no rush,’ said Adrian Chan, assistant to the chairman at Guangzhou R&F properties (2777.HK).
Chan said the developer has no plans to revise its project pipeline and full-year sales target, but others are feeling the pressure from credit curbs and chronic oversupply in some cities.
In March, government officials told Reuters that Zhejiang Xingrun Real Estate Co, based in the coastal city of Ningbo, was on the brink of bankruptcy.
On Thursday, Guang Real Estate Group Co, based in the southern city of Shenzhen, said it had failed to deliver some properties to homebuyers on time due to financial pressures.
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Even Beijing has a problem with excess supply. Figures from data provider China Real Estate Information Corporation (CRIC) show more than 13 months supply of unsold housing in the capital, an increase of 80 percent from a year ago.
“Due to the impact of oversupply, it will be difficult for the market to come out from the correction in the first half of the year; the extent of price cuts may further expand under the pressure to sell inventories,” CRIC said.
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Buildings under construction in Taiyuan, Shanxi province. (File photo/CNS)
The meteoric rise of the Chinese property sector has shown signs of abating since the beginning of this year, and economists say such a downturn could weigh on growth.
The property sector accounts for at least 16% of China’s economic output, according to Tokyo-based brokerage firm Nomura Securities. Slowing investment growth and tightening credit conditions in the property sector during the first quarter of this year have already taken a toll on growth, which dipped to 7.4% in the first quarter, the lowest rate since the second quarter of 2012.
“We are convinced that the property sector has passed a turning point and that there is a rising risk of a sharp correction,” said Zhang Zhiwei, an economist with Nomura Securities in a research note earlier this week.
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The long-awaited popping of China’s housing bubble may finally be here. Although a slew of individual cities had seen their property markets collapse since 2012, in Q1 2014, the trend went national.
“Every property market leading indicator at the national level turned down,” writes Zhang Zhiwei, economist at Nomura, in a note. “The question is no longer ‘if’ or ‘when’ but rather ‘how much’ China’s property market will correct.”
This is scary stuff. Falling sales tend to discourage property investment, which generates at least 16% of China’s GDP, says Zhang. A six-percentage-point decline in property investment translates to a 1ppt drop in GDP growth, he calculates. In other words, if property investment were to fall from 2013′s 19.8% to, say, 7.8%, China’s GDP growth would fall to around 5.8%. Nomura expects a less dramatic drop—for investment to slide to 13.8%, dragging GDP growth down to 6.7%.
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Gloom deepens for China property developers
May 9, 2014 11:44am
by James Kynge
The torrent of bad news for Chinese property developers shows no sign of letting up.
Unsold floor space continued to surge in April. Two small developers are reported to be slipping into financial distress. The total net profits of 117 domestically-listed developers posted a 27 per cent decline in the first quarter to Rmb9.65bn. The bearishness of investment bank analysts, meanwhile, is plumbing new depths.
This chart from China Confidential, a research service at the FT, shows what is amiss – a surge in unsold real estate inventory. The red line shows a moving average of unsold inventory in 14 cities nationwide, while the black line shows a less dramatic trend in first tier cities – Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou.
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Citi’s Oscar Choi and Marco Sze have produced this startling assessment of the Chinese property market:
A Powerful Loosening “Combo” now a MUST to Prevent a “Demand Cliff”: We believe the physical market has reached a critical point, with potential for broader- based demand shrinkage across different product-ends. Beside the recurring factors like tight credit, HPR [home purchase restrictions] policy, altered ASP [average selling price] expectations due to media reporting, etc, different to FY08/11, the downward pressure on demand is also intensified by new factors, like a weaker economy, RMB depreciation, anti- corruption, outflows of purchasing power to overseas, etc, We believe merely fine- tuning policy by the local gov’ts is insufficient to mitigate this potential correction…
June/July – Last Chance to Shoot the Silver Bullet: We believe a “nuclear” impact on economy and employment from any excessive slowdown of this mega- size market (est. total housing value at RMB130-160trn, annual RMB8trn property sales and RMB3-4trn land sales) is not affordable for government and society. To prevent the “demand cliff” and a big correction, we see June/July as the LAST chance for government to introduce powerful measures. Our current judgment is that nationwide volume should peak in FY15 (not FY14, even if it is more challenging than expected), based on the argument that the gov’t could still adopt powerful policy easing to restore buyer interest and a ST volume recovery. Missing this “deadline” could bring about a downward adjustment to our national assumption (sales up 8%, ASP up 2%) and an earlier-than-expected significant correction.
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More worried that Obamacare will pinch the U.S., China seems fine:
(Reuters)
Updated: 2014-05-09 10:50
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Chinese imports of copper rose 7.2 percent in April from the previous month, extending gains made in March as stronger domestic prices boosted their appeal. Seasonal consumption also supported demand in the world’s top copper consumer, along with global prices that have fallen more than 9 percent this year.
Benchmark three-month copper on the London Metal Exchange inched up slightly after the Chinese data was released, trading at $6,669.25 per tonne at 0317 GMT.
Arrivals of copper anode, alloy, refined metal and semi-finished copper products were 450,000 tonnes in April, up from 420,000 tonnes in March, customs data showed on Thursday.
April imports surged 52 percent from the year before.
April arrivals were higher than expected by some traders, who had said some importers were delaying term shipments as they expected prices to fall.
The rise could be a result of the buying by China’s stockpiler, the State Reserves Bureau, said Zhou Jie, dealer and senior analyst at China International Futures (Shanghai) Co Ltd.
“SRB buying has already pushed up (yuan) premiums in the domestic market,” Zhou said.
He added that strong premiums for spot refined copper could encourage importers to buy metal in the international market this month to resell domestically.
Seasonal demand has also boosted domestic consumption, traders said.
A factory using refined copper had increased buying of spot metal in the domestic market after its orders had risen 11 percent in April and were up 5 percent in May, a purchasing manager at the firm said.
But supply of spot refined copper had fallen in April due to reduced sales by Chinese smelters with stronger seasonal consumption, traders said.
Large smelters plan to export more refined metal to support domestic prices, while traders said the third-largest producer Jinchuan Group had cut supply by a third last month after a technical problem in March.
Buyers of spot refined copper paid premiums of over 1,000 yuan per tonne on top of the price of front-month copper contract on the Shanghai Futures Exchange to secure physical metal in April, compared to discounts in March, traders said.
Not said in this article but the interesting thing that I think will occur this year is the average Chinese worker will probably get a raise higher than the average American worker. I do not mean as a percentage that has been happening for decades I mean cents per hour. I see the Chinese worker getting 20 to 25 cents per hour more, a staggering amount since the average wage 25 years ago was probably ten cents an hour.
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-05-11 07:33:37
Think of this excerpt:
More broadly, China’s wage gains have been slowing. Average urban salaries rose 11.9 percent to 46,769 yuan in 2012, down from a 14.4 percent pace in 2011, according to data from the National Bureau of Statistics. Salary figures from the first three quarters of 2013 show a gain of about 11 percent from the comparable period in 2012.
So they are making around $8000 a year and they will receive a raise of about $800 a year, a lot of Americans if not most will not receive a raise of $800 this year. Speaking of China, I need to do some coolie labor in my yard.
P.S. actually, it will be more than $900 since their wages are more than the cited 46,769 since that is the 2012 wages, we are probably looking at around a $900 raise with a present salary around $9000 a year
Comment by Skroodle
2014-05-11 08:33:05
They will need a nice war to distract the populace from their eroding living standards.
Comment by tresho
2014-05-11 10:22:59
Speaking of China, I need to do some coolie labor in my yard.
A word: xeriscape!
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-05-11 12:07:35
Actually, it is but it still needs work from time to time. Stones need to be sifted to remove for sand etc. However, I have a better looking and less labor intensive than my neighbors that try to have an Eastern law in the desert.
The new leadership in the People’s Republic of China seems determined to bring some sobriety back to the Chinese credit markets; but, as always– when a government or central bank puts the squeeze on, many companies find themselves headed towards a brick wall. As the dominant engine of global growth, when China puts the brakes on, the pain really does get spread around. The signs of stress are starting to mount. As Bloomberg News reported on 12 March, a number of Chinese steel companies are having to cut back dramatically as they can’t get the financing to keep running at their accustomed output levels. This, in turn, is leading to a glut of iron ore and to panic selling as providers frantically try to dump stock to free up cash.
On 11 March, China’s top banking regulator warned that strict credit guidelines would be imposed on Chinese steel mills, particularly on those that are heavy polluters and consume large amounts of energy. Iron ore prices plummeted to a four year low in short order. However, the problem is not restricted to iron ore. As an article in the Wall Street Journal’s Market Watch makes clear, the fact that the world price of copper dropped below $3 a pound for the first time since July 2010 can also be traced back to China, which is one of the biggest markets for copper.
And once again, the credit crunch is at the heart of the story. The Shanghai-based solar equipment manufacturer Chaori Solar became China’s first ever mainland corporate bond defaulter, when it missed the interest rate payment on a domestic bond. Chaori Solar was already massively leveraged and said that, due to the ongoing credit crunch, it could not raise sufficient funds to make good on its interest payments. Now, a second solar energy company, Baoding Tianwei Baobian Electric, has had its bonds suspended on the Shanghai exchange after reporting substantial losses for the second year running, sparking fears of a default. In part, the default has a positive side in that it brings some much needed realism to the Chinese corporate bond market, which had been a magnate for investors who believed - erroneously as it now transpires - that the Chinese government or China’s banks would always step in to bail out troubled companies. That belief had already caused the Chinese corporate bond market to bloat up 10-fold by the end of January 2014, to 8.7 trillion yuan, by comparison with where the bond market was in 2007.
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Chaori Solar was already massively leveraged and said that, due to the ongoing credit crunch, it could not raise sufficient funds to make good on its interest payments.
Why you must borrow in order to make your interest payments, you are doomed…
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Comment by rms
2014-05-11 12:16:27
“Why you must borrow in order to make your interest payments, you are doomed…”
I think the U.S. media wants the Chinese government to stimulate its economy not to save the Chinese economy but the U.S. economy. China is doing fine with its lower but still fine growth which is allowing it to move resources from low margin dirty industries to high margin cleaner industries which actually compete with the U.S.
An example on how the media distorts by just its magnitude of coverage without actually being inaccurate is the coverage of the North Dakota oil boom. Just by the coverage you would thing that the shale oil boom is centered in North Dakota. However, Texas has around five times the drilling of oil wells as ND with most of them being shale oil wells.
Similarly, these Chinese stories have allowed the media to avoid covering the serious slowdown in the U.S. and are laying the groundwork for a new excuse when corporate profits fall short, first it was the U.S. weather now it will be weak demand in China.
Interesting theories, kind of like global warming.
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Comment by MrsLolaSoros
2014-05-11 07:25:59
Or that saturated fats are bad for you.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-05-11 07:44:16
On that note, the half-and-half in the cup of coffee to my immediate left sure does taste delicious.
Comment by reedalberger
2014-05-11 09:50:15
“Or that saturated fats are bad for you.”
Or that the nannyfascists will ban them.
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-05-11 12:18:36
Interesting theories, kind of like global warming.
Talk about an interesting theory, the theory that the slowdown was primarily weather related. The first quarter either was no growth or negative growth depending on the coming revisions. The Real Journalists, who are Obama supporters could have blamed it on Obamacare or weather. So of course it was weather related despite the economy being as weak in the West with its mild weather as the East with its cold, stormy weather. Now Obamacare caused premiums to go up for everyone, many people started to pay for the first time in years, the rich had to pay higher capital gains taxes and businesses continue to cut hours and are avoiding hiring people to avoid being covered by Obamacare. Thus, the Real Journalists need a new excuse to explain a slow growth economy since weather will not work for another quarter.
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 14:15:28
Radioactive fallout and waste are also healthful, like Grapenuts.
Comment by Professor Bear
2014-05-11 16:17:39
Talk about an interesting theory, the theory that the slowdown was primarily weather related.
There are theories and then there is bullshit, and it is important to not confuse the two.
I’d worry more about the imminent collapse of the US housing and stock market bubbles.
China’s collapse may happen, but not sooner than those two things. China’s got a lot of lying to do first. I think it will play out over the next couple of decades.
But when housing psychology turns here, as it is doing, and prices start dropping things change over tens of months not tens of years.
If it can go up 20 percent in a year, it can drop that much. But a 20 percent decline would be FATAL to the market and the economy.
“If it can go up 20 percent in a year, it can drop that much. But a 20 percent decline would be FATAL to the market and the economy.”
For that reason, I expect the Fed to keep vocalizing its worries over the housing market while doing all the stealth intervention it can to keep it propped up.
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Comment by chilidoggg
2014-05-11 08:03:14
How much of the recent increase in real estate prices in California, Nevada, Arizona is Chinese equity locusts, and what will a collapse in China real estate prices mean?
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-05-11 08:05:39
Spot on, chilidogg!
Comment by MrsLolaSoros
2014-05-11 08:14:47
No, the coming collapse in China is not the worry for the housing market right now. It has not happened yet and won’t for at least a little while. The collapse is playing out pretty much first in the PHX area. The worry is that prices have dropped. The reason is because there is no organic demand. It is not because Chinese investors have left because of problems in China. It is because ALL investors have left because they can’t buy properties that cash flow and they can’t count on appreciation from lower purchase prices any more.
The investment world is buzzing about copper prices, and there’s good reason to pay attention, as those falling prices trace back to China — and a potential hard landing for its economy.
For the first time since July 2010, prices for a most active futures contract HGK4 are trading below $3 a pound, according to data from FactSet.
China is the major culprit for the price drop, as the country is one of the metal’s biggest customers and recent poor trade data have rattled the investing world. But the collapse in prices to their worst level in nearly four years isn’t solely about demand concerns.
Overnight, the Chinese solar-energy company Baoding Tianwei Baobian Electric saw its bonds suspended on the Shanghai exchange after a second year of net losses spurred default fears. Such action would follow last week’s first default by a Chinese company on its onshore corporate bonds.
The default worries have “shaken the foundations of the copper market which in China is used as much for financing transactions as for its commodity properties,” wrote Boris Schlossberg, managing director of foreign-exchange strategy at BK Asset Management, in a note Wednesday.
Wednesday’s session saw high-grade copper for May delivery falling as low as $2.91 a pound.
With estimates that as much as 60% of China’s copper stock is used as trade collateral, there’s panic among copper investors who are worried about massive liquidation in the market, said Schlossberg.
Over the years, copper’s value has expanded beyond its use as an industrial metal, and the commodity is now firmly a highly financialized product in China, said John Hardy, head of foreign-exchange strategy at Saxo Bank, in emailed comments Wednesday.
He said the drop in copper prices “can be directly traced to the recent and obvious move by the Chinese regime to weaken its currency in order to slow the popularity of the U.S dollar/China yuan carry trade that was driving their currency stronger against the USD even as major [emerging market] currencies were recently weak.”
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Chinese steel companies, the world’s largest, helped drive a regional industry benchmark index to a seven-month low as concern builds that some mills face financial difficulty amid a government credit squeeze.
“They are having trouble accessing finance,” Yunde Li, chairman of Ishine, a unit of China Zhongsheng Resources Holdings Ltd., which processes iron ore in Shandong, said today in an interview in Perth. Some of Ishine’s steel mill customers cannot make their payments to his company, Li said through a translator, declining to name the companies.
Closely-held steel mills in China are struggling to get funding at the moment and that’s led to panic selling of iron ore, according to Morgan Stanley. The nation’s top banking regulator said yesterday strict credit guidelines will be imposed on mills that were big polluters and users of energy.
“The capital squeeze on steel traders has started to affect mills,” said Henry Liu, Hong Kong-based executive director of China Merchants Capital and head of its commodities research department. “It looks like the credit crunch is worsening.”
Iron ore this week had its biggest drop in more than four years, spooked by the credit squeeze and a surge in stockpiles. The Bloomberg Asia Pacific Iron/Steel Index, which includes China’s Baoshan Iron & Steel Co. and Angang Steel Co. and Japan’s Nippon Steel & Sumitomo Metal Corp., dropped for a third day today, to the lowest since July 31.
“There’re talks some mills are facing tightening credits, as they may be charged with higher interest rates on loans,” said Hu Shunliang, investor affair representative with Maanshan Iron & Steel Co. It hasn’t affected Maanshan, Hong Kong’s second-largest listed steelmaker, he said.
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May 8 (Bloomberg) — Ian Shepherdson, chief economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, discusses Janet Yellen’s worries about the U.S. housing market and what he thinks the Fed should focus on in the economic recovery on Bloomberg Television’s “Bloomberg Surveillance.”
May 9, 2014, 6:31 a.m. EDT 2 reasons the Fed may keep interest rates at zero
Opinion: Yellen highlights risks from weak housing and emerging markets
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
Reuters
Federal Reserve Board Chair Janet Yellen
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Everyone assumes the Federal Reserve will finally raise interest rates sometime next year. That’s what the Fed’s “dot plot” is forecasting, that’s what the markets are pricing in, and that’s what almost every Fed watcher believes.
But what if they are wrong? What if the Fed delays that first rate hike? What if the U.S. economy isn’t ready for higher rates in 2015?
In her testimony to Congress this week, Fed Chair Janet Yellen didn’t steer anyone away from the assumption that the Fed will probably raise rates next year. But she did flag two risks to the economy that could delay higher rates: the U.S. housing market and the fragile condition of foreign economies.
The link between a weak housing market and low rates is pretty straightforward: Housing is very sensitive to interest rates. Usually, the Fed’s easy-money policies work primarily through the housing market. By lowering borrowing costs for home buyers and home builders, the Fed can accelerate home buying and home building, and give the economy a jump-start that spreads to other sectors of the economy.
This channel for monetary policy has failed in this expansion, mostly because a warped housing market was the main cause of the recession, and it’s taking time to fix it. Many households can’t buy a house, either because their credit was ruined by a foreclosure, or because they are underwater on their current mortgage, or because they want to further reduce their debts, or because their income growth won’t allow it, or because lenders are reluctant to lend to any but the most overqualified buyers.
During last year’s “taper tantrum” in the bond market, just the hint of tighter monetary policy put the brakes on the housing recovery, as mortgage rates drifted higher. By almost every metric, housing has slowed in the past six months, and the Fed is as much to blame for that as anyone.
It’s possible that the housing market will be strong enough by next year that it could accommodate higher rates. But it’s also possible that housing will remain so weak that even a whisper of higher rates could crash the market. The Fed doesn’t want to do that.
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Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen did a masterful job navigating the political shoals of the Joint Economic Committee yesterday. She told liberal Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) that she shared his concern about the Koch brothers and inequality, and conservative Indiana Sen. Dan Coats (R-IN) that Congress needed to act soon to reduce long-term budget deficits.
But her testimony, and the discussion that followed it, raised a host of serious questions about the role of the Federal Reserve in this sluggish economy. As Chair Kevin Brady (R-TX) told Yellen, her “don’t worry, be happy” monetary message might not work. From what I heard, there were at least six issues on which she spoke that made no sense. I’ll call them Yellenisms. Each of the six issues, below, is bold-faced.
Most important, will the Fed be able to keep inflation in check at “only” 2%, its target goal, after its massive monetary accommodation?
Yellen testified that the Fed has the tools to move in time to avoid inflation. Carnegie Mellon University professor Allan Meltzer, whose op-ed in the Wall Street Journal forecasting higher inflation appeared on the same day, does not think so. Meltzer wrote: “Never in history has a country that financed big budget deficits with large amounts of central-bank money avoided inflation. Yet the U.S. has been printing money — and in a reckless fashion — for years.” Every Fed chair wants to avoid inflation, but America saw substantial periods of inflation in the 1970s that were difficult to eradicate.
Linked to inflation is the question of asset bubbles. Rep. Richard Hanna (R-NY) asked Yellen about Meltzer’s concern that seniors on fixed incomes are taking too much risk in the stock market because they can’t get a historic rate of return on their savings accounts.
Yellen, in full “don’t worry, be happy” mode, sees no evidence of an asset bubble in equities. Plus, she highlighted the advantages for Americans of low mortgage rates that have served to increase the value of houses, Americans’ main asset. True, house prices have gone from underwater to back in the black, as she said. Is this another bubble, especially given the current softness in the housing market? It will take us another few quarters to be sure. Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan did not see asset bubbles, but they surfaced and popped anyway.
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If banking is the question then housing is the answer. Btw has anybody read Nomi Prins new book. I love her efforts in exposing the Bankers as well as the Politicians.
“Nomi Prins is an American author, journalist, and Senior Fellow at Demos. She has worked as a managing director at Goldman-Sachs and as a Senior Managing Director at Bear Stearns, as well as having worked as a senior strategist at Lehman Brothers and analyst at the Chase Manhattan Bank. Prins is known primarily for her book All the Presidents’ Bankers in which she explores over a century of close relationships between the 19 Presidents from Teddy Roosevelt through Barack Obama and the key bankers of their day based on original archival documents, for her whistleblower book, It Takes a Pillage: Behind the Bonuses, Bailouts, and Backroom Deals from Washington to Wall Street, for her views on the U.S. economy, for her published spending figures on federal programs and initiatives related to the 2008 bailout, and for her advocacy for the reinstatement of the Glass–Steagall Act and regulatory reform of the financial industry.”
Curses! I have been outed by a traitor to the cause!
If you own bonds, how badly could rising interest rates hurt you?
With the economic recovery apparently on a firm footing and the Federal Reserve curtailing its efforts to hold down interest rates, there’s a decent chance we’ll see higher bond yields—and when yields climb, existing bonds decline in price.
How much could interest rates rise? How much would your individual portfolio suffer? To answer the first question, we can look to nominal economic growth, which reflects both inflation and real (after-inflation) GDP growth. Bond yields and nominal economic growth tend to track each other fairly closely.
I’ve heard various theories for why the two may be connected. One possibility: If government bond yields are above the nominal economic growth rate, the government would have to commandeer an ever-growing share of the economy’s resources to cover its interest payments—and that isn’t sustainable in the long run.
Lately, of course, this hasn’t been a worry, thanks in part to the Federal Reserve’s loose monetary policy. Yields on 10-year Treasury notes have been well below the nominal U.S. economic growth rate, which clocked in at 3.8% in 2011, 4.6% in 2012 and 3.4% in 2013.
As the effects of the financial crisis wane, many expect economic growth to pick up, with real GDP growth at 2.5% and possibly 3% a year, while inflation runs at 2% or more. Combined, that might put nominal economic growth at 4.5% to 5% a year.
Suppose that, as the Federal Reserve cuts back its monetary easing, the 10-year Treasury note rose to those levels. That would mean a two-percentage-point rise from today’s 2.6% yield. How would your bond portfolio react?
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Financial markets are full of uncertainty, but how rising rates affect bond prices isn’t all that mysterious. In this week’s featured question, we explore how to estimate the damage rising rates may inflict on bondholdings.
Q. Hi Dan. I really enjoy your articles. My wife and I are both retired. We have two IRA’s. One is $162,000 and the other is $125,000. Our RMDs start next year. All in a bond fund. I am getting nervous about the outlook for bonds and I am not sure what I should do. I know interest rates are going to rise which will hurt bonds but I don’t know how badly. We are comfortable right now but we cannot afford to lose much money. I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you — Allan
A. Thanks Allan. I enjoy writing these.
You don’t need to wonder how rising rates affect bonds. The shorter the term of a bond, the less damage will be done by rising rates. In January, my firm posted a commentary on rising rates . In it there is a chart of the behavior, from May 1- Dec. 31, 2013, of an exchange-traded fund that holds short-term Treasurys and one that holds long-term Treasurys. Interest rates rose a little last year and you can see the effect clearly in the chart. The long-term bonds lost about 18% but the short-term bonds were hardly affected. The trade-off for the stability of shorter-term bonds is that the shorter-term bonds tend to pay less interest.
The extent your holdings are exposed to interest rate risk can be assessed by a mathematical calculation called duration. If the fund you hold has a duration of say 7, a 1% rise in rates will cause a drop in value of about 7%. A shorter duration would result in a smaller drop in prices.
Of course, you would still collect interest which will offset some of the drop. If your fund yields 3% and rates rise 1%, after a year, the fund should be down around 4% (-7% in price reduction + 3% in interest payments).
Don’t interpret this to mean higher yields mean greater safety. That may not be true if the higher yields are coming from bonds issued by parties with weak finances. Wall Street likes to label these “high yield” but they were once commonly known as “junk bonds.” (“High yield” sure sounds better than “junk,” doesn’t it.) Find out what percentage of a fund’s holdings are below “investment grade.” The fund company should have the duration and credit quality information handy.
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“Whac” has been an institution around here for a very long time and even though we have our differences, many of his posts are important news items regarding financial tidbits. So I read the posts that interest me and skim over the ones that don’t.
I first read his stuff when he was Get Stucco and it might be interesting to list his names over the years.
And another thing, one of the purposes of this blog is to generate visits/clicks because that’s how Ben makes some of his money. I would imagine that he only inhibits disruptive posts. Is that about right?
I am never in favor of limiting debate or a clash of ideas. When people start to limit debate you know that they do not have the facts on their side. I knew the data supporting AGW had seriously gone south for the proponents when they started to say that there was no sense hearing from the other side and actively banned them and refused to publically debate them.
I am never in favor of limiting debate or a clash of ideas ??
As Am I….Its the obvious BS and childish banter thats unnecessary…
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Comment by MrsLolaSoros
2014-05-11 07:40:51
But then how to counteract the shills of which there are many?
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-05-11 08:04:40
And the liars. Never let a liars lie go unmet.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-05-11 08:13:03
Never let a liar’s lie go unmet.
I’m in your camp, bro’.
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-05-11 12:06:06
Me too. But I wish HA would confront the lies without making nonsensical statements of his own. Like yesterday’s gem:
Has the reality dawned on you that there isn’t a house on the planet worth more than $250k?
There are houses that I personally would happily pay more than $250K for.
Others unfortunately are willing to pay far more than I am, and thus I sit on the sidelines…
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-05-11 13:47:46
Whether you’re clueless enough to borrow a stupid amount of money to to pay a grossly inflated price for a depreciating asset isn’t my point.
Let me clarify; There isn’t a house on the planet that can’t be built for $250k or less.
Comment by MrsLolaSoros
2014-05-11 15:39:56
HA is a rock. Gibraltar. He is properly counteracting the liars, shills, con men, deluded fools, Kool aid drinkers, “investors,” flippers, underwater geniuses and FBs that pop up or live here.
Those who choose not to understand will not understand. It costs a certain amount to build. Then there are local variances, but those still need to be tied to income in the area as the ability to pay, not whatever someone can borrow or whatever someone is willing to pay. All the rest is stone soup hucksterism.
Comment by Professor Bear
2014-05-11 16:19:58
Has the reality dawned on you that there isn’t a house on the planet worth more than $250k?
A man is entitled to his opinion. And these opinions are a fitting counterweight to the lying, shilling real estate fluffers.
Lighten up. I was joking, OK? Because EVERY time I get to the blog early in the day, it’s a list of questions from Whac and the related posts arrive later. I realize it’s just his style.
Amen. And if you live in Florida, like we do, in some ways the aftermath of the bubble and now bubble 2.0 has been worse. Florida has become some sort of promised land for northern refugees from the sh&thole states like NY, NJ, Mass, Ct. and Illinois. We’re getting vultured beyond belief here. All of a sudden, all the whining about “ooh, it’s too cold up here”. No, that’s not the reason they’ve moving here en masse. Because it’s interesting to note that you don’t see too many people moving here from New Hampshire, for example, where taxes and social ills are far less than in those other states.
Really, it sucks on the ground here in Florida. You’d have to see it to believe it. “I’m moving to Florida!!!!!!” Ugh, I can’t stand it. They’re driving up prices, keeping the bubble going, clogging the roadways, straining the resources, flushing the goddamn toilets and draining the aquifer. These are people who, in the past, wouldn’t have looked at Florida twice to bet on in a dog show. All of a sudden, this is such a great state. WHAT????? I moved here in the first place back in 1980 to get away from these dicks. They looked down on Florida and were all mealy-mouthed about “I like the four seasons”. Oh, yeah? Well, the four seasons don’t look so good when you’re broke-ass, right?
Buncha freakin’ broke liars. “Ooooh, oooh, I’m cold, I wanna move to Florida”. BS. They don’t say “I wanna move to California”. Hey, it’s nice and warm there, why not move to CA? Or how about Puerto Rico, for that matter?
I know the reason they don’t move to CA. Taxes, property prices, and oh, yeah, let’s not mention they don’t want their kids in school with a bunch of budding gangbangers. But they won’t admit all that.
Those are Florida’s two attractions - it’s hot and it’s cheap. Arizona and Nevada historically were the same. When people in those three states got so excited during the bubble as their house prices skyrocketed, they should have realized that it was not sustainable. High housing costs would have ended the high rates of migration, killing the economy.
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Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-05-11 11:42:46
The nice things about Florida: January and February are comfortable. No income tax and its pro RKBA policies.
Well, the four seasons don’t look so good when you’re broke-ass, right ??
Partially you may have it right Palmy…They may not be “broke” but many are on limited resources and compared to where they are, Florida allows them to “stretch” their dollar mainly because of cheaper housing…
I think the under-funded retirements for many boomers is real and we could see a new phase of housing rollover coming due to this…Even if you own a modest home, turning it into tax free cash if you have limited savings is not just tempting, it may be necessary…
Except that’s the problem, the housing is getting more expensive, not less so. You have people saying they’re looking to spend 300,000 or 400,000 for a FREAKING HOUSE IN FLORIDA!!!!!!!! In some subdivision that looks like Levittown with swimming pools and granite countertops. Seriously.
They’re paying the Eloi tax (HG Wells Time Machine reference). They figure (and rightly so, in many cases) that this is what they need to pay in order to keep their kids out of schools with gangbangers, thugs and pervert teachers (some parts of Florida have a problem with teachers who like to bonk their students, Hillsborough County being one of those areas).
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Comment by scdave
2014-05-11 08:09:04
I am really talking about empty nesters Palmy…I don’t know Florida that well but its a big state and if I understand correctly there are a lot of 55 and over affordable area’s…
I can’t remember what writer said it, maybe Carl Hiaasen, and I paraphrase from memory. ¨Florida is where you move when everything in your life is falling apart, and you need a fresh start.¨ One of the attractions is that most everyone else is a screwed up newcomer there too, so you fit right in. It makes for an interesting state.
Nobody “likes” the four seasons. That’s just an excuse for being to scared to move away from mommy’s hometown. Anyway, we already know what happens to equity locusts. The cannibalize themselves. Patience, Hosay, patience.
BTW, I thought I would share this watershed/shoeshine moment with you all: my stoner wastoid “brah, deadheads are everywhere” sack leach mentally ill lazy ass dirty rap sheet brother in law has decided to…
The teat he has been sucking has been his grandfather’s riches from building suburbs in upstate New York in the 50’s and 60’s.
Grandpa’s dead, and the beach house is very expensive to maintain. They just dumped grammy in a “home”facility. I expect refi-ing and drug use to increase 100% in 2015.
“Grandpa’s dead, and the beach house is very expensive to maintain. They just dumped grammy in a “home”facility. I expect refi-ing and drug use to increase 100% in 2015.”
“Mother’s Day might be a time to shower your mom with cards and gifts, but the woman responsible for the holiday would tell you not to bother. That’s because the late Anna Jarvis, who founded Mother’s Day (unofficially on May 10, 1906) to honor her own mother, grew to despise the day for its sappy commercialization.
“A printed card means nothing except that you are too lazy to write to the woman who has done more for you than anyone in the world,” Jarvis famously told greeting card and candy executives. “And candy! You take a box to Mother — and then eat most of it yourself. A petty sentiment.”
Sounds like someone got grumpy in her old age (which I applaud). Handwritten is an anachronism at this point.
Also, if the sappy commercialism of a store bought card and candy is no good, it ain’t like you can’t do something else. Take the old mare out for a bite to eat or to see the movies or to the park with the grand kids.
I have one kid, and strangely enough, I have also become my mother’s mother (stroke - sometimes she will introduce me to doctors/nurses as her mother.) She is driving me up a wall watching the Kardashians.
sometimes she will introduce me to doctors/nurses as her mother Not one bit surprising. She’s right (in a sense) when she says that, and you’re right too. She is driving me up a wall watching the Kardashians. There is a hypnotic phenomenon known as “negative hallucination” which might serve you very well indeed.
I’ve been doing my best to ignore it. Don’t even get me started about Hard Core Pawn.
Payback time for irritating things you did as a child?
Nope. I was an angel Also, she was an extremely young widow with two kids so I never wanted to upset her (so I made sure I never got caught.) Sounds sappy, but it’s true.
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Comment by Professor Bear
2014-05-11 16:24:21
That’s totally sweet.
It also brings to mind my FIL’s childhood. He and his four brothers lost their dad to suicide when the oldest was about twelve. His mom somehow managed to finish the job of raising the five boys and put food on the table for them as well. She was eventually honored as Utah “Mother of the Year” for her successful effort.
Comment by Tarara Boomdea
2014-05-11 17:42:09
“Mummy” marathon on AMC today. There’s appreciation for ya!
Are you kidding? The antifemale statements that sometimes dominate this blog have driven away probably 85% of the people who might be mothers. It’s a shame too, since those people probably could have contributed some good comments.
Did you mean to post a different link? The link you posted does not provide evidence of girls being held up as important members of society. In contrast, it proves that lots of people want to lend support to men who kidnap and sell girls, and make public statements about God wanting men to sell women.
A-Dan: Do you even read the links that you receive in your “post this” list every morning?
If you had more logic you would understand moveon.org did not seem to have any problem with the Islamic terrorist group when it was killing boys only when it started to kidnap girls did it have a problem. But you would not know the difference between grape nuts and blue balls.
Then maybe you should have posted an article containing information alluding to that claim. And Moveon.org does nothing but host petitions.
Furthermore, the group in question has attacked the general population (including males and females), but this move is specifically against females. So that’s the logic, dummie. You can’t be antifemale without being antihuman.
Once again, you need to read the articles that you receive in your list before posting links to them on various blogs.
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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-05-11 16:15:33
I pick the links and post the links for the intelligent people on this board both conservatives and liberals.
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-05-11 16:50:34
And Moveon.org does nothing but host petitions
Moveon allowed the petition to protect the terrorist organization to remain as a link while the terrorists were burning boys alive it only removed it when they kidnapped girls. Its actions were supporting the group until they crossed the feminists. Therefore, the link supports the contention made, perfectly, since it shows that the link has been there and was only removed recently. Their justifications mean nothing since they would equally apply now, why is kidnapping girls worse than burning boys alive? Why not remove the link months ago?
Nobody gives a sh*t about somebody like Bubbles from “The Wire”, this heroin wasn’t a problem until all the white kidz started dying on it.
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Comment by MrsLolaSoros
2014-05-11 15:47:39
The Wire chronicles an American tragedy on a meta level. Begun over a decade ago to tell the tale of the fight against drugs and how it plays out on the front lines. We have not moved on inch forward in all the time since it began.
And heck, it was telling about a problem that had already been going on for 20 years or more when it began in 02.
Oh, is that face considered “pretty”? I thought it was something else. Like “ugly”, for instance. Yeah, she isn’t fat, but that’s just because she takes heroine.
“Is The U.S. A Capitalist Democracy Or Oligarchy?” Janet Yellen Doesn’t Know
Mike Krieger
Liberty Blitzkrieg blog
May 11, 2014
During this week’s Senate hearings, Janet Yellen was asked by Senator Bernie Sanders if the U.S. was a capitalist democracy or has morphed into an oligarchy. While readers of this site already know the answer to this question, which was recently proved empirically by a Princeton and Northwestern academic study, it was still stunning to note her unwillingness to answer the question.
I will give her some credit for not flat out lying about it. She inherently understands that the U.S. is a corrupt, shameful oligarchy, but as head of the institution most responsible for this transformation she simply cannot tell the truth. It is incredible that things have fallen so far that a U.S. Senator felt compelled to ask such a question, and even worse that such a powerful official couldn’t vehemently and decisively deny the claim.
Where I take exception with Sanders, is that he appears to live under some strange sort of hypnosis that makes him think only Republican oligarchs are problematic. Of course no sane person should draw any serious distinction between establishment Democrats or Republicans. Furthermore, he also makes the mistake of focusing on the 1%, when the real problem resides in a far smaller 0.01%, which I described in my post: Where Does the Real Problem Reside? Two Charts Showing the 0.01% vs. the 1%.
See for yourself:
This article was posted: Sunday, May 11, 2014 at 4:46 am
A crony capitalist / progressive society. Little real capitalism. Corporations are run mostly by “progressives” and they run the thugernment. “Progressives” in government owe a lot to large and mispd sizes corporations, but cannot admit it.
The first obvious source is their own advertising in the media, and their “progressive” ads have been going on for decades. I’m saying corporations in general, not necessarily all corporations.
If you don’t see the progressivism it’s because you are a progressive yourself.
It took me less than 10 seconds to find my first example. This is from Bank of America. Go to their .com site and there is the link below. It has nothing to do with the business of banking and “empowering women,” “social responsibility”, etc. I can go to Southwest Airlines and find another “progressive” link. I can go to Toyota and find another “progressive” link.
A). Nazism is to socialism
B). Conservatism is to conserving
C). Moral relativism is to morality
D). Socialism is to social media
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 16:13:21
Bill:
Those are just feel-good pieces designed to sell more product. BofA has no actual intention to empower anyone but the boys in the club.
Conservatives want to make 99% of humans into slaves who serve the elite. And they want women to be the lowest form of slave. It’s no wonder that you (a conservative) would see the term “empowering women” at the BofA website, and jump to the conclusion that BofA must be a “progressive” corporation that will lead the United States to Hell in a hand-basket.
Bill, you are a narcissist. You hate progressives because they insist on giving credit where credit is due (i.e., not always to the nearest rich white man).
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2014-05-11 16:14:59
Also here is a good read: E Warren hates citigroup because she’s a {sniff} “progressive,” yet she appointed a Government Sux corporation member to some government office. BWAHAHAHA!
The pretense big businesses make in being for “the little people” are all predictable. They were the James Taggarts, Owen Boyle, and the other crony capitalists in Atlas Shrugged.
I’m saddened that Big V does not realize progressivism is tied at the hip with crony capitalism.
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2014-05-11 16:23:06
No Big V. You are in denial. Enjoy your mythology that “progressivism” is progress and anti corporation.
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2014-05-11 17:52:01
“You hate progressives because they insist on giving credit where credit is due”
Let’s see, “credit where credit is due.”
All progressives have this in common: They hate the creator of wealth, even the crony capitalists hate themselves as Ayn Rand predicted - just look at Warren “I am not taxed enough” Buffett - who pays very little income taxes because he has very little income. He has stocks, which get capital gains. He’s a dam hypocrite.
The credit is due to the wealth creator, not the recipient of taxpayer money, and certainly no credit is due any other self-labeled “progressive.”
My problem is that the government has these phony quality improvement standards so if a computer has twice the memory and costs 20% more, under the way they count the computer has dropped in price even if I did not need the additional memory. Great way to artificially hold down core inflation.
A great quote from one of my favorite heros, Ernst Blofeld, taken from the James Bond movie “From Russia with Love”:
“Siamese fighting fish, fascinating creatures. Brave but of the whole stupid. Yes they’re stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here who lets the other two fight. While he waits. Waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself, and then like SPECTRE… he strikes!”
“The sign never indicates where to check in – it only assumes that those who know where to check in will check in and for what is anyone’s guess. There are many people who believe that the sign would indicate that some sort of drill or action was already planned and that those “in the know” were required to check in.”
Could this signal the start of some fresh thinking on credit scores?
Are lenders’ credit score requirements for home buyers this spring too high — out of sync with the actual risks of default presented by today’s borrowers? The experts say yes.
What experts? The developers of the credit scores used by virtually all mortgage lenders. Executives at both FICO, creator of the dominant credit score used in the mortgage industry, and up-and-coming competitor VantageScore Solutions confirmed that mortgage lenders could reduce today’s historically high score requirements without raising their risks of loss. In the process, many prospective buyers who currently can’t qualify might get a shot at a loan approval.
Consider this: Consumer behavior in handling credit is subject to change over time, often keyed to regional or national economic conditions. Credit scores that were acceptable risks in the early 2000s — say FICOs in the 640-to-680 range — turned into larger-than-anticipated losers when the recession hit. Now that the housing rebound is well underway and federal regulators have imposed tighter standards on income verification and debt ratios, the high credit score “cutoffs” that virtually all mortgage lenders imposed in the scary aftermath of the crash are stricter than necessary.
FICO scores run from 300 to 850. Lower-risk borrowers have high scores, and higher-risk consumers have low scores. Early in the last decade, a FICO score of 700 was good enough for an applicant to get a lender’s best deals or close to it. Today a 700 FICO just barely makes the grade — 50-plus points below the average score for home purchase loans at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the big investors.
Joanne Gaskins, senior director of scores and analytics for FICO, said that statistical studies by her company have demonstrated that “the risk of default on more recent mortgage vintages is better than at the onset of recession” — essentially real risk has reverted to the early 2000s. A lot more people pay on time. As a result, she said, lenders can afford to “take a look” at their current strict scoring requirements and consider lowering them without sacrificing safety.
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Wells Fargo Joins Lenders Lowering Credit Standards
By Jody Shenn, Dakin Campbell and Kathleen M. Howley
May 1, 2014 9:44 AM PT
Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
A Wells Fargo & Co. branch in Hermosa Beach, California.
U.S. banks are easing credit standards in search of a safe and profitable middle ground after an era of reckless home lending gave way to the stiffest rules in decades, putting a damper on the housing recovery.
Wells Fargo (WFC) & Co., the biggest U.S. home lender, two weeks ago cut its minimum credit score for borrowers of Fannie Mae-and Freddie Mac-backed loans to 620 from 660. The step followed moves by smaller lenders, such as the U.S. unit of Canada’s Toronto-Dominion Bank (TD), which lowered down payments to 3 percent without requiring mortgage insurance for some loans.
Banks ratcheted up borrowing requirements after the most severe housing crash since the Great Depression, preventing as many as 1.2 million loans from being made in 2012, according to an Urban Institute paper. Lenders rode a wave of refinancing until a spike in borrowing costs last year gutted demand, forcing the biggest banks to cut more than 25,000 mortgage jobs. Now they’re removing barriers to mortgages for some borrowers in hopes of reviving a shrinking market.
“We threw the baby out with the bathwater because we had to,” said Rick Soukoulis, chief executive officer of San Jose, California-based lender Western Bancorp. “From there, you start to inch back. If you keep selling only what isn’t selling, you’re just dead.”
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“Now they’re removing barriers to mortgages for some borrowers in hopes of reviving a shrinking market.”
That’s one way to put it.
Another way to put is the PTB are now creating a market (foaming the runway) for Blackstone and others to unload the real estate they bought up a few years ago at much lower prices.
If you have a price-equals-value market then you will need to get the prices up because in such a market when you get the prices up the values also go up.
Enter Blackstone and others with their buckets of money into the market when the values are down. They enter the market and bid up the prices and people on the sidelines remain alongside their boxes of stupid and watch.
Then after prices are bid up out comes the RE hype and the watchers on the sidelines dip into their boxes of stupid and, in true lemming-like behavior, decide to make the plunge.
And this decision to make the plunge, coupled with all-of-a-sudden easy money, creates a market for RE to be unloaded into.
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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 13:14:04
I think Zillow is in on the scheme. They are showing markets everywhere skyrocketing in value. At the same time, they are ALSO showing skyrocketing numbers of houses with price reductions. They have my house overvalued by about 50%, based on comps and a realtoR evaluation.
In the meanwhile, Movoto is showing very large increases in inventory over the past year or so, although the inventory numbers seem to be leveling out right now. It is May though, so one would expect that.
Why would Zillow have numbers that are THAT far above the actual market? I haven’t seen any numbers on Zillow that appear to be below market at all.
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-05-11 14:09:58
Yet very recently Zillow is showing falling prices YOY. This very fact indicates the rapid reversal in prices very recently.
We’re in the first inning of this.
Comment by MrsLolaSoros
2014-05-11 14:42:37
Zillow is all over the map. I think it needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. It has some value for the actual listing prices of houses or recent sales and to show prices being cut on specific homes and maybe small neighborhood size areas. Beyond that I think it becomes less reliable.
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-05-11 17:54:29
It would take a long time to find just one area where list or sale prices are falling on zillow….. until very recently. Now they’re showing up everywhere.
Comment by MrsLolaSoros
2014-05-11 19:31:28
I haven’t seen any numbers on Zillow that appear to be below market at all.
There are lots of houses in Southeast PHX on the market for over their zillow zestimates.
Can’t find the online version to post, but an article in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SUNDAY (dead tree edition) claims that divorced couples’ wealth levels are 75% lower a decade after divorce compared to couples that stayed married. Ouch!
I can say that from among my wife’s seven siblings, this principle definitely has played out. The one out of eight couples (including ourselves in the small sample) who got divorced seven years ago is now living the Oil City plan of which we some times post here. Before divorce, they were a six-figure two-income, upwardly mobile household.
The other seven couples are all making do financially.
One thought on that “75 percent wealth reduction” finding: If I were the husband in a divorce, and learned first-hand that U.S. laws are written to screw men in favor of womyn, I sure as hell would quickly head out to Oil City and let my wages drop to as close to $0 as possible, rather than working my tail end off only to have it forcibly handed over to my ex.
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 13:03:22
Actually Whac, divorce courts are skewed in favor of men. You only hear men complaining about it all the time because most of them assume that they are the sole owners of all the assets and money in the family. Upon divorce, they discover that their kids and wife are entitled to a minority portion of the funds, and the men freak out. They are disillusioned, and they can’t handle the loss of perceived control/power.
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2014-05-11 14:58:29
If I were the husband in a divorce, and learned first-hand that U.S. laws are written to screw men in favor of womyn, I sure as hell would quickly head out to Oil City and let my wages drop to as close to $0 as possible, rather than working my tail end off only to have it forcibly handed over to my ex.
One of my acquaintances was pregnant with her fourth child when her husband (or ex husband), a druggie, left her. Also he was one semester away from a degree in business. Her husband moved to Las Vegas and worked at a 7-11, which meant subsistence wages. He did that on purpose so that he would not have to pay support.
The woman had issues of her own, I considered her good looking and she was always fit, even after having four children, she was into distance biking and swim competition. But she had some severe mental health issues. And she told me once that she had those since she was a child.
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 16:24:22
Once again, Bill doesn’t even realized that he just provided more evidence to prove that it isn’t the MEN who need to avoid marriage and parenthood, it is the WOMEN. Men can easily shirk their responsibilities by moving to another state and earning their income under the table. Women, on the other hand, have already born and raised the three kids, with one in the oven, when the guy is allowed to disappear with no punishment.
So this is why WOMEN are deciding not to get married and have kids. This is why the fertility rate is declining in the industrialized world. It is not because smart men like Bill figured out that women are too expensive.
Bill: If the court system were fair, that A-hole would be forced to work off his debt to his family. But no, a white man can’t be held accountable for that sort of thing. For you are a white man, and you are at the TOP of the heap.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-05-11 16:35:36
“Actually Whac, divorce courts are skewed in favor of men.”
I don’t claim any expertise on this subject. But I do have a close (male) friend who seemed to have gotten severely screwed by the divorce courts. His wife, a foreign national, went to school with both of us, so I knew them both pretty well. Later she decided she wanted to live overseas rather than in the U.S. where his job was.
Rather than recognizing her decision to split up the family, the divorce court saddled him with a large enough alimony payment, to be sent to her and the kids overseas, in order to effectively prevent him saving enough money to visit the kids. From my perspective, if she wanted to set up a separate household from her husband overseas, the divorce settlement should have included financial accommodation for him to visit. Instead it basically cleaned him out, even though she lived in her wealthy father’s home and didn’t really need the money.
Albeit this is a single data point, but it seems to offer an example of how a working male can get saddled with an unfair settlement.
Comment by goon squad
2014-05-11 16:41:04
MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way
It’s a beautiful thing. Welcome to America 2014
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2014-05-11 17:33:22
Big V wrote
“Bill: If the court system were fair, that A-hole would be forced to work off his debt to his family. But no, a white man can’t be held accountable for that sort of thing. For you are a white man, and you are at the TOP of the heap.”
I saw another instance that happened to my sister. Her husband cheated on her with the woman next door and that woman’s friend. The toad split the scene shortly after his youngest son ended up paralyzed and with head injury from being hit by a car. My sister’s husband was (is, if he’s still alive) a ne’er do well. She married below her level. She married the first piece of slime that came out of the flooded gutter and smiled at her, in essence. Funny thing is that she still kept his last name, and never divorced him. Her now grown kids (the paralyzed one died after ten years of suffering) don’t reminisce at all about their dad.
So no, not all cases of contention between men and women are the women’s fault. But I have listened for more than 20 years to older men at work tell me what they went through on divorce. I never wanted to be a divorced man ever.
Also, a divorced man usually has poorer health than a single man. It is mostly due to the mental damage after divorce. Loss of net worth, realizing his ex spouse has become his worst enemy, etc.
Never married men have to make up for the shortfall of not having a spouse to nag about health. We have to be our own spouse, in a sense and our reason should guide us in diet and exercise.
Divorce is a troubling trend in America and it’s very expensive.
In AZ the law divides the assets in half, you have to pay lawyer fees and you have to buy new stuff. Then when there’s a disparity in income, the richer half has to pay alimony to the other for 1/3 the time you married. Add it all up and it really sucks.
In the end a single person has a net worth about 40% of what they had before, depending upon how much the lawyers cost you. (I knew a lady that had been married 4 times. She knew the system so well she didn’t even bother with lawyers, but that’s another story.)
“In the end a single person has a net worth about 40% of what they had before, depending upon how much the lawyers cost you.”
Maybe this is not a valid comparison, but that sounds much better than the Ohio State University study conclusion, which was that ten years after divorce, a broken-up couple’s combined wealth is only 1/4 that of their married peers.
The Average retirement savings at age 50 is less $44,000, which is unfortunate.
I’m expecting redistributive measures imposed on those who lived less large and saved more in the coming years in order to keep those who lived larger and saved little off the streets.
“The crisis template always seems to involve an inspection, visit from dignitary, or drill prior to the event.”
“Then the incident takes place in a place of open infrastructure to create a fishbowl terror scenario, this includes malls, theaters, schools. Then there is always eye witness accounts of maybe one of two suspects. Those suspects disappear and then a name is given as the suspect. Sometimes names are changed, suspects are eliminated and then there in one suspect that usually either is apprehended or commits suicide.”
Avalanche of Koch cash coming soon to a TeeVee near you (thanks, Citizens United)
“The Koch brothers’ main political arm intends to spend more than $125 million this year on an aggressive ground, air and data operation benefiting conservatives, according to a memo distributed to major donors and sources familiar with the group.
The projected budget for Americans for Prosperity would be unprecedented for a private political group in a midterm, and would likely rival even the spending of the Republican and Democratic parties’ congressional campaign arms.
AFP’s $125 million projected 2014 budget alone would also exceed the total 2012 fundraising hauls of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, National Republican Congressional Committee, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee or the National Republican Senatorial Committee.”
Tom Steyer isn’t Senate majority leader, or chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, or even Senate president pro tem. He’s merely the man who wants to spend $100 million on Democrats this year and who hates the Keystone pipeline.
President James A. Garfield Monument in Lakeview Cemetery burglarized, commemorative spoons stolen
“Someone broke into the President James A. Garfield Monument in Lakeview Cemetery and stole commemorative spoons, police reports say.
The burglars on Wednesday shattered a window to the monument and resting place of the 20th U.S. president to get inside the building just off Mayfield Road.
Garfield is the only U.S. president to have his casket on full display and is near the glass case where the spoons were stolen.
Reports say a cemetery worker discovered about two dozen commemorative demitasse and teaspoons stolen from the monument and called police.”
I do not like them,
Sam the Ram.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.
Would you like them
Here or there?
I would not like them
here or there.
I would not like them
anywhere.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.
I do not like them,
Sam the Ram.
Michael Sam: ‘Overwhelmed’ by pick
Updated: May 11, 2014, 11:06 AM ET
By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Michael Sam made history Saturday afternoon, as the St. Louis Rams made him the 249th overall choice in the 2014 NFL draft.
The Missouri defensive end became the first openly gay player to be drafted in league history and seeks to be the first openly gay athlete ever to play in the NFL.
Here’s an article about the Toyota moving its North American headquarters from California to Texas. Some people were under the impression that Texas was chosen due to its small government and free market policies. Part of the reason for choosing Texas was, in fact, the complete opposite of that.
Texas to Pay $10,000 for Each Toyota Job
State Incentive Helps Land Car Maker’s North American Headquarters
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Texas offered Toyota $40 million to move, part of a Texas Enterprise Fund incentive program run out of the governor’s office. At $10,000 a job, it was one of the largest incentives handed out in the decade-old program and cost more per job created than any other large award. Last year, Texas spent about $6,800 to lure each of 1,700 Chevron Corp. CVX -0.05% positions to Houston and $5,800 for each of 3,600 Apple Inc. AAPL -0.42% jobs shifted to Austin.
Is the Texas strategy better - soaking the middle class to give it away to giant corporations?
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Comment by Combotechie
2014-05-11 10:03:00
“Is the Texas strategy better - soaking the middle class to give it away to giant corporations?”
Whether it is better or not for the middle class really doesn’t matter because it’s not the middle class that is making these decisions.
The Texas Enterprise Fund guys focus their attention (and their money) on the cooperate movers and shakers because these are the guys that get to decide whether or not to make the jump.
Texas is smart. And California? Not so much.
Comment by MightyMike
2014-05-11 11:11:55
So if it was smart for Texas to give $40 million to Toyota, it must have been a genius move for the federal government to hand over billions to GM and Chrysler.
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-05-11 12:05:31
Without a state income tax, where did Texas get this $40 million?
Comment by In Colorado
2014-05-11 13:33:24
Without a state income tax, where did Texas get this $40 million?
Have you ever seen what property taxes are like in Texas?
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2014-05-11 14:53:16
“Have you ever seen what property taxes are like in Texas?”
I have. But being from Arizona and California, I’m used to the counties getting the revenue. So what county in Texas gave Toyota $40 million?
Comment by Al
2014-05-11 15:59:49
“…where did Texas get this $40 million?”
I’m sure they did what every other government does, they borrowed it.
California used to work when businesses had no other reasonable place to move to. Now that Texas has this apparently successful incentive program this is no longer the case.
By the time the wizards that run California finally “get it” it’ll be too late.
And yet our “mothership” is still there, and Larry seems quite OK with that. We have room to spare at the Broomfield campus, yet all the new hiring seems to happen at the Santa Clara campus, which is bursting at the seams.
Oh lord, everyone is telling me to buy stocks and buy a house. No one understands dividends or rents anymore. They only understand “equity”. And no one understands interest anymore either.
Why Hillary is better off not running in 2016, Obama and the White House Correspondents Dinner, and why running with Obama may put some Democrats in danger of losing.
5/6/2014 1:00:00 PM11:25
Monica Lewinsky writes in Vanity Fair for the first time about her affair with President Clinton: “It’s time to burn the beret and bury the blue dress.” She also says: “I, myself, deeply regret what happened between me and President Clinton. Let me say it again: I. Myself. Deeply. Regret. What. Happened.”
After 10 years of virtual silence (“So silent, in fact,” she writes, “that the buzz in some circles has been that the Clintons must have paid me off; why else would I have refrained from speaking out? I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth”), Lewinsky, 40, says it is time to stop “tiptoeing around my past—and other people’s futures. I am determined to have a different ending to my story. I’ve decided, finally, to stick my head above the parapet so that I can take back my narrative and give a purpose to my past. (What this will cost me, I will soon find out.)”
Clearing the Air
Maintaining that her affair with Clinton was one between two consenting adults, Lewinsky writes that it was the public humiliation she suffered in the wake of the scandal that permanently altered the direction of her life: “Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship. Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position. . . . The Clinton administration, the special prosecutor’s minions, the political operatives on both sides of the aisle, and the media were able to brand me. And that brand stuck, in part because it was imbued with power.”
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One thing is for certain: If Hillary runs, you can bet your bottom dollar that the RNC will pay Monica Lewinsky a handsome sum to go on lecture tours to make presentations on how her affair with Bill Clinton ruined her early adult life.
Not part of the “war on women” meme when a democrat does it.
Or when Muslims kidnapped and sell school children into slavery.
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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 12:16:37
It will be the Republicans who cement their image as misogynists when they use this scandal as a way to discredit Hillary. Because Hillary had nothing to do with it, see?
And btw, I still haven’t heard any good explanation as to why Repubs don’t want equal pay for equal work. Have you?
Monica + Bill does not equal “war on women”. It equals “egotistical man as President who got caught”.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-05-11 16:42:09
Because Hillary had nothing to do with it, see?
Huh!?
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-05-11 16:43:41
‘Not part of the “war on women” meme when a democrat does it.’
When a Democrat does what?
Hopefully you aren’t really so stoopid that you think I am a Democrat!? If so, I pity you.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-05-11 16:45:07
“egotistical man as President who got caught”.
Either that, or he was starved for a lack of home cooking.
Yeah, but why does everyone associate this scandal with Hillary? She wasn’t involved in it.
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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-05-11 12:27:06
She blamed the scandal of a right wing conspiracy and the human humidor instead of her husband, it does not say much about her judgment now does it? But what difference does it make whether it was due to a right wing conspiracy making it up or it actually happened?
Hillary managed in the “Bimbo Eruption Team” that would attack, demean and ruin the good name of anyone that Bill touched. Kathleen Willy, Paula Jones, etc, etc, etc.
Bill’s libido is legendary and I have to wonder if he’s changed his ways. It had to have hurt Hillary and why would she subject herself to the same thing again.
Besides the Benghazi thing is going bring it’s own troubles.
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 14:33:06
Sorry guys, but Hillary did not react the way that you claim she reacted.
Why do Republicans oppose equal pay for equal work?
Why do Republicans think that a woman can’t get pregnant from being raped?
Why do Republicans think that the best way to prevent unwanted pregnancy is for young females to take sole responsibility for keeping the populace a virgin?
Yeah, y’all are gonna lose because you have not paid the proper respect to females (i.e., the MAJORITY of registered voters). Stupid is as stupid does.
Uncle Fed,
I’m curious, where did you get that information? Seriously, I’m eager to see the article(s) where?
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 16:29:14
Blackhawk:
Do you live in a cave? All that stuff was all over the news for WEEKS when it happened. A quick google search will turn up all the quotes and videos you need. GAWD, the repub party is such a circle-jerk. No matter. Keep your blinders on and keep on losing. You. cannot. win. without. women.
“One thing is for certain: If Hillary runs, you can bet your bottom dollar that the RNC will pay Monica Lewinsky a handsome sum to go on lecture tours to make presentations on how her affair with Bill Clinton ruined her early adult life.”
Hillary should have fluffed Bill twice a week to keep him out of trouble; shame on her. Larry Flynt of Hustler magazine will still pay Monica $1-million to show us what Bill sampled. Easy money.
Scariest thing about Hillary Clinton: The deep pockets who run the show from behind the curtain may be able to figure out a way to get her elected, even though it appears that at least half the U.S. population would cringe at the thought.
A new poll shows former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s (D) numbers hitting their lowest point in six years.
Meanwhile, it finds that the Republican Party is experiencing something of a renaissance.
The Fox News poll, from Democratic pollster Anderson Robbins Research and GOP pollster Shaw & Company, shows Clinton’s favorable rating dropping to 49 percent, compared to 45 percent unfavorable.
The last time her numbers were in that ballpark was during the 2008 Democratic presidential primary race. After she ended her campaign, her favorable/unfavorable split was 47/46.
Other polls have shown Clinton’s numbers — which were stellar during her time as secretary of state — steadily dropping since she left her post last year.
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Video | Poverty’s Long Reach California’s Inland Empire, east of Los Angeles, has attracted people expecting to live out the American dream. But with jobs and services scarce, the region has a high poverty rate.
By JENNIFER MEDINA
May 9, 2014
MORENO VALLEY, Calif. — The freeway exits around here are dotted with people asking for money, holding cardboard signs to tell their stories. The details vary only slightly and almost invariably include: Laid off. Need food. Young children.
Mary Carmen Acosta often passes the silent beggars as she enters parking lots to sell homemade ice pops, known as paletas, in an effort to make enough money to get food for her family of four. On a good day she can make $100, about double what she spends on ingredients. On a really good day, she pockets $120, the extra money offering some assurance that she will be able to pay the $800 monthly rent for her family’s three-bedroom apartment. Sometimes, usually on mornings too cold to sell icy treats, she imagines what it would be like to stand on an exit ramp herself.
“Everyone here knows they might have to be like that,” said Ms. Acosta, 40, neatly dressed in slacks and a chiffon blouse, as she waited for help from a local charity in this city an hour’s drive east of Los Angeles. Both she and her husband, Sebastian Plancarte, lost their jobs nearly three years ago. “Each time I see them I thank God for what we do have. We used to have a different kind of life, where we had nice things and did nice things. Now we just worry.”
Five decades after President Lyndon B. Johnson declared a war on poverty, the nation’s poor are more likely to be found in suburbs like this one than in cities or rural areas, and poverty in suburbs is rising faster than in any other setting in the country. By 2011, there were three million more people living in poverty in suburbs than in inner cities, according to a study released last year by the Brookings Institution. As a result, suburbs are grappling with problems that once seemed alien, issues compounded by a shortage of institutions helping the poor and distances that make it difficult for people to get to jobs and social services even if they can find them.
For years, the couple thought of themselves as wealthy. They bought a five-bedroom house in a suburb just a few miles east of downtown Los Angeles, where they both worked in the jewelry district — she inspected diamonds and he designed bracelets and rings. Making $16 an hour, plus commissions, they earned as much as $2,000 a week. They traveled to San Diego and Las Vegas, they bought their two children the toys they asked for. Just more than a decade after they had emigrated from Mexico, they believed their hopes had become a reality.
But in 2011, Ms. Acosta was laid off. So was Mr. Plancarte, just a few months later. They soon sold the house for far less than they had paid. They drove east, looking for something they could afford to rent, and landed in Moreno Valley, a city 60 miles inland that has become a common outpost for those priced out of Los Angeles. They live in a sprawling apartment complex designated for low-income families.
The paletas have become a centerpiece of their lives. The couple constantly think about the best prices for ingredients and how many pops are in their small freezer; they take orders by phone to deliver to backyard parties. When their son asks to get hamburgers at the local In-N-Out, they have a standard response: “The mathematics are very simple,” Ms. Acosta said. “If you want to eat there, we need you to sell $25” of the ice pops.
“The hardest part is the shame,” Mr. Plancarte said, sitting at his kitchen table as his wife and daughter ate mango paletas doused in chamoy, a blood-red sugary hot sauce. “People say to me, ‘Why don’t you find a job over there, or at that factory or that place?’ First of all, they aren’t there, I’ve tried. But even if they have a job, it’s going to be paying me $8 an hour. So I’ll spend no time with my family to make less money than I make now selling these.”
Just a couple of years ago, when the dry cleaner called reminding her to pick up a pair of pants, Ms. Acosta told him to give them to charity. “Now I am one of the people taking giveaways,” she said. “I see people all the time in worse positions than we are in. The kids are healthy, we have a roof. Maybe that’s the best we can hope for.”
How do a diamond inspector and a jewelry designer manage to double their wages in tips? I have never given a tip to a person who does either of those jobs. Methinks they lied on their mortgage application, so they don’t want the real numbers publicized.
Maybe they can get a good factory job at Toyota? Oh wait - the super majority of democrats who control the state pushed them out - along with thousands of other businesses…
Something does seem fishy. And if they’re illegals (which they probably are) they couldn’t get a job with Toyota, not even in Texas, plus they are clearly uneducated so I doubt that even if they were legal immigrants they could get get one of Toyota’s cube farm jobs due to their lack of credentials.
Cameron: Give Us Access To Your Bank Accounts or We’ll Raise Taxes
by Breitbart London
10 May 2014
British Prime Minister David Cameron has argued that the controversial new plans to allow HM Revenue and Customs to take money from Britons’ bank accounts at will is a necessity if the public wants to avoid further taxes rises.
The warning came during an interview with Sky News wherein the Prime Minister defended the intrusive measure announced in the Budget earlier this year. In effect, if UK tax authorities (HMRC) believe that money is owed to them by the taxpayer, they can dip into bank accounts at will and remove owed funds.
HMRC cannot take less than £1000 and the account must still have at least £5000 remaining, but there are fears it is the slippery slope towards having no legal recourse.
Cameron told Sky News: “We have a choice here. If we don’t collect taxes properly and make sure people pay their taxes properly we look at the problems of having to raise tax rates. I don’t want to do that, so I support the changes the Chancellor set out in the Budget which is to really say that not paying your taxes is not acceptable.
“It is very clear that they can only do this if there is a debt of over £1,000, they can only do it if there’s £5,000 or more in the account after this has been completed. The general principle – do we want to pursue every avenue of making people pay their taxes they are meant to pay before we put up taxes, because that’s the alternative – absolutely, yes we do.”
But Members of Parliament are less keen on the plans. The Telegraph reports that MPs say in a recently published document: “The ability directly to have access to millions of taxpayers’ bank accounts raises concerns about the risk of fraud and error.
“This policy is highly dependent on HMRC’s ability accurately to determine which taxpayers owe money and what amounts they owe, an ability not always demonstrated in the past. Incorrectly collecting money will result in serious detriment to taxpayers.”
HMRC has come under fire in the past for its poor data handling, and it was reported earlier this year that the arm of the British government intends to sell citizens’ data to private companies. Former Conservative minister David Davis told the Guardian the plans were “borderline insane”.
And I’m sure that the HMRC would never make a mistake in collecting that money. They don’t have that “innocent until proven guilty” thing over there, do they?
The facts are the U.S. government’s IRS is far more of a thug organization than any other tax agency in a developed nation. It reaches illegally across the jurisdiction of the U.S. boundaries to go after people who seek havens. The other nations don’t do that.
Yesterday no one seemed to admit that taxation is theft. Well Oxide made an ad hominem attack against me instead of address my statement that taxation is theft.
After Obama leaves office, and is replaced by a Democrat, we will continue to see less corruption than we did under the Republicans. Now, back to the question:
“After Obama leaves office, and is replaced by a Democrat, we will continue to see less corruption than we did under the Republicans.”
That is your opinion, so please leave out the “we”.
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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-05-11 16:31:58
It’s gonna happen to you too, Hi-Z. You are gonna get a Democrat for prez in 2016. I will laugh sooooooo hard if it turns out to be Hillary, but only because the Repubs would have caused that to happen.
May 7, 2014, 10:35 a.m. EDT This Russian empire will crumble just like the last one
Opinion: Weakened economy will collapse under burden of Ukraine annexation
By Matthew Lynn
Reuters
A Ukrainian soldier stands at a checkpoint near Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine.
Russia has already annexed the Crimea. Its agents are reported to be fomenting rebellions across the Eastern Ukraine. Its troops are massing on the border, and President Vladimir Putin has talked admiringly of the old Soviet empire just as he appears intent on recreating it in purely Russian colors.
The world is quite right to be worried that Moscow has imperial ambitions across its region, just as it did through most of the 19th and 20th centuries.
But the last Russian Empire was undone by the weakness of its economy, and this one will be as well. Putin may act tough, but he has not put in the place the economic foundations for a bid for great-power status.
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DUBAI—An experimental monetary policy tool that lets banks and financial firms place cash with the Federal Reserve in exchange for an overnight loan of U.S. Treasurys will likely be adopted as a more permanent means for the central bank to help control short-term interest rates, Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart said on Sunday.
The so-called reverse repos have proven popular since testing began in September. By manipulating the interest rates attached to these transactions, the hope is that the Fed can put a floor under overarching short-term interest rates.
While the Fed has put limits on allotments of the repos, Lockhart said the experiment has been a success.
“Overall I am confident that reverse repos will be among our tool bag and therefore may very well have a role in how we try to influence short-term interest rates,” he said at an American Business Council of Dubai event at the Dubai International Financial Centre.
Fed Chairwoman Janet Yellen said during congressional testimony last week that the reverse repo tool was likely to be in play when it came time to raise rates. The Fed has kept short-term interest rates near zero to stimulate the economy as it gradually recovers from the worst recession in a generation.
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Are you worried the slowing Chinese economy might pinch the U.S.?
Slowing Chinese economy likely to pinch US, too
May 11, 2014
Last updated: Sunday, May 11, 2014, 1:21 AM
By PAUL WISEMAN and JOE McDONALD
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
A government billboard with the words “China Dream Is My Dream” near a construction site in Beijing. One analyst offers this reminder: “China is the second-largest economy on the planet.”
* Before cheering problems overseas, Americans should remember that economies are connected
WASHINGTON — After watching China narrow the U.S. lead as the world’s largest economy, Americans might be tempted to cheer signs that the Chinese economy might be stumbling.
But in an interconnected global economy, bad news for one economic superpower is typically bad news for another — even a fierce rival.
“It hurts,” says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. “China is the second-largest economy on the planet. If growth slows there, it affects everybody.”
Zandi estimates that each 1 percentage point drop in China’s economic growth causes as much damage to the U.S. economy as a $20-a-barrel increase in oil prices: It shaves 0.2 percentage point off annual U.S. growth.
That isn’t catastrophic. But to regain its full health nearly five years after the Great Recession officially ended, the U.S. economy needs whatever help it can get.
A sharp slowdown in China also threatens the 28-member European Union, which outweighs even the United States if measured as a single economy. China is the EU’s second-largest export market behind the United States.
A stream of economic news from China has been rattling financial markets. Chinese manufacturing slowed in April for a fourth straight month. A Chinese lending bubble, driven by overbuilding, is stirring alarm. China’s growth in the January-March quarter slowed to 7.4 percent compared with a year earlier. It was its slowest quarterly growth since the 2008-09 global crisis.
For most economies, 7.4 percent growth would qualify as explosive. The U.S. economy hasn’t grown as fast as 7 percent since 1984. But for China, a still-developing economy that clocked double-digit growth through much of the 2000s, the latest figures qualify as a slump.
And Americans and Chinese are linked ever more tightly economically.
They buy each other’s products, invest in each other’s markets, visit each other’s tourist attractions. U.S.-China trade in goods last year totaled $562 billion. China is the United States’ second-biggest trading partner and the No. 1 source of U.S. imports, according to the Congressional Research Service.
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Chinese developers pull back as property downturn hits economy
By Clare Jim
SHANGHAI Thu May 8, 2014 5:04pm EDT
A garbage collector walks past residential and office buildings in construction, in Hefei, Anhui province, April 3, 2014.
Credit: Reuters/Stringer
(Reuters) - China’s efforts to cool its property sector look to have been more effective than intended, as a sharp drop in construction activity and falling prices threaten what had been one of few firing engines of the world’s second-largest economy.
Developers know the market is struggling — their inventory is rising and prices are falling — but expect that authorities will relax their tight grip on the sector in coming months.
The government has long made it clear that economic growth would moderate as it tries to reform the economy. But by keeping the pressure on property too long, analysts fear the fallout will be more severe than anyone had expected.
“To us, it is no longer a question of ‘if’ but rather ‘how severe’ the property market correction will be,” Nomura analysts said in a report.
New housing starts in the first quarter fell 25.2 percent compared to a year ago, Nomura calculated, as tighter credit conditions, oversupply and falling prices undermined the market.
They estimated the property slump could take a full percentage point off China’s economic growth this year, knocking it below 7 percent for the first time since 1990. The government is targeting growth of about 7.5 percent.
The downturn really gained traction in late 2013 after more than four years of government efforts to tame record home prices and avoid an asset price bubble. Authorities also wanted to channel money towards consumption and productive investments.
“When sales slow and there are still inventories, the development momentum can moderate slightly; there’s no rush,’ said Adrian Chan, assistant to the chairman at Guangzhou R&F properties (2777.HK).
Chan said the developer has no plans to revise its project pipeline and full-year sales target, but others are feeling the pressure from credit curbs and chronic oversupply in some cities.
In March, government officials told Reuters that Zhejiang Xingrun Real Estate Co, based in the coastal city of Ningbo, was on the brink of bankruptcy.
On Thursday, Guang Real Estate Group Co, based in the southern city of Shenzhen, said it had failed to deliver some properties to homebuyers on time due to financial pressures.
OVERSUPPLY
Even Beijing has a problem with excess supply. Figures from data provider China Real Estate Information Corporation (CRIC) show more than 13 months supply of unsold housing in the capital, an increase of 80 percent from a year ago.
“Due to the impact of oversupply, it will be difficult for the market to come out from the correction in the first half of the year; the extent of price cuts may further expand under the pressure to sell inventories,” CRIC said.
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Correction in property market weighs on China’s growth
Xinhua
2014-05-10
09:48 (GMT+8)
Buildings under construction in Taiyuan, Shanxi province. (File photo/CNS)
The meteoric rise of the Chinese property sector has shown signs of abating since the beginning of this year, and economists say such a downturn could weigh on growth.
The property sector accounts for at least 16% of China’s economic output, according to Tokyo-based brokerage firm Nomura Securities. Slowing investment growth and tightening credit conditions in the property sector during the first quarter of this year have already taken a toll on growth, which dipped to 7.4% in the first quarter, the lowest rate since the second quarter of 2012.
“We are convinced that the property sector has passed a turning point and that there is a rising risk of a sharp correction,” said Zhang Zhiwei, an economist with Nomura Securities in a research note earlier this week.
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Pop
An illustrated guide to why China’s housing bubble may finally be bursting—and what that means for the economy
By Gwynn Guilford @sinoceros May 6, 2014
Is China’s building boom finally busted? Reuters/Kim Kyung-Hoon
The long-awaited popping of China’s housing bubble may finally be here. Although a slew of individual cities had seen their property markets collapse since 2012, in Q1 2014, the trend went national.
“Every property market leading indicator at the national level turned down,” writes Zhang Zhiwei, economist at Nomura, in a note. “The question is no longer ‘if’ or ‘when’ but rather ‘how much’ China’s property market will correct.”
This is scary stuff. Falling sales tend to discourage property investment, which generates at least 16% of China’s GDP, says Zhang. A six-percentage-point decline in property investment translates to a 1ppt drop in GDP growth, he calculates. In other words, if property investment were to fall from 2013′s 19.8% to, say, 7.8%, China’s GDP growth would fall to around 5.8%. Nomura expects a less dramatic drop—for investment to slide to 13.8%, dragging GDP growth down to 6.7%.
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Got inventory out the wazoo?
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Gloom deepens for China property developers
May 9, 2014 11:44am
by James Kynge
The torrent of bad news for Chinese property developers shows no sign of letting up.
Unsold floor space continued to surge in April. Two small developers are reported to be slipping into financial distress. The total net profits of 117 domestically-listed developers posted a 27 per cent decline in the first quarter to Rmb9.65bn. The bearishness of investment bank analysts, meanwhile, is plumbing new depths.
This chart from China Confidential, a research service at the FT, shows what is amiss – a surge in unsold real estate inventory. The red line shows a moving average of unsold inventory in 14 cities nationwide, while the black line shows a less dramatic trend in first tier cities – Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou.
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Citi sees “nuclear” Chinese property bust
Posted by Houses and Holes in China Economy at 6:05am on May 8, 2014
Citi’s Oscar Choi and Marco Sze have produced this startling assessment of the Chinese property market:
A Powerful Loosening “Combo” now a MUST to Prevent a “Demand Cliff”: We believe the physical market has reached a critical point, with potential for broader- based demand shrinkage across different product-ends. Beside the recurring factors like tight credit, HPR [home purchase restrictions] policy, altered ASP [average selling price] expectations due to media reporting, etc, different to FY08/11, the downward pressure on demand is also intensified by new factors, like a weaker economy, RMB depreciation, anti- corruption, outflows of purchasing power to overseas, etc, We believe merely fine- tuning policy by the local gov’ts is insufficient to mitigate this potential correction…
June/July – Last Chance to Shoot the Silver Bullet: We believe a “nuclear” impact on economy and employment from any excessive slowdown of this mega- size market (est. total housing value at RMB130-160trn, annual RMB8trn property sales and RMB3-4trn land sales) is not affordable for government and society. To prevent the “demand cliff” and a big correction, we see June/July as the LAST chance for government to introduce powerful measures. Our current judgment is that nationwide volume should peak in FY15 (not FY14, even if it is more challenging than expected), based on the argument that the gov’t could still adopt powerful policy easing to restore buyer interest and a ST volume recovery. Missing this “deadline” could bring about a downward adjustment to our national assumption (sales up 8%, ASP up 2%) and an earlier-than-expected significant correction.
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More worried that Obamacare will pinch the U.S., China seems fine:
(Reuters)
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Chinese imports of copper rose 7.2 percent in April from the previous month, extending gains made in March as stronger domestic prices boosted their appeal. Seasonal consumption also supported demand in the world’s top copper consumer, along with global prices that have fallen more than 9 percent this year.
Benchmark three-month copper on the London Metal Exchange inched up slightly after the Chinese data was released, trading at $6,669.25 per tonne at 0317 GMT.
Arrivals of copper anode, alloy, refined metal and semi-finished copper products were 450,000 tonnes in April, up from 420,000 tonnes in March, customs data showed on Thursday.
April imports surged 52 percent from the year before.
April arrivals were higher than expected by some traders, who had said some importers were delaying term shipments as they expected prices to fall.
The rise could be a result of the buying by China’s stockpiler, the State Reserves Bureau, said Zhou Jie, dealer and senior analyst at China International Futures (Shanghai) Co Ltd.
“SRB buying has already pushed up (yuan) premiums in the domestic market,” Zhou said.
He added that strong premiums for spot refined copper could encourage importers to buy metal in the international market this month to resell domestically.
Seasonal demand has also boosted domestic consumption, traders said.
A factory using refined copper had increased buying of spot metal in the domestic market after its orders had risen 11 percent in April and were up 5 percent in May, a purchasing manager at the firm said.
But supply of spot refined copper had fallen in April due to reduced sales by Chinese smelters with stronger seasonal consumption, traders said.
Large smelters plan to export more refined metal to support domestic prices, while traders said the third-largest producer Jinchuan Group had cut supply by a third last month after a technical problem in March.
Buyers of spot refined copper paid premiums of over 1,000 yuan per tonne on top of the price of front-month copper contract on the Shanghai Futures Exchange to secure physical metal in April, compared to discounts in March, traders said.
What share of your portfolio is invested in China?
Virtually none, BHI probably sells some drilling rigs there but it would be minor part of the company.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-06/china-wages-seen-jumping-in-2014-amid-shift-to-services-.html
Not said in this article but the interesting thing that I think will occur this year is the average Chinese worker will probably get a raise higher than the average American worker. I do not mean as a percentage that has been happening for decades I mean cents per hour. I see the Chinese worker getting 20 to 25 cents per hour more, a staggering amount since the average wage 25 years ago was probably ten cents an hour.
Think of this excerpt:
More broadly, China’s wage gains have been slowing. Average urban salaries rose 11.9 percent to 46,769 yuan in 2012, down from a 14.4 percent pace in 2011, according to data from the National Bureau of Statistics. Salary figures from the first three quarters of 2013 show a gain of about 11 percent from the comparable period in 2012.
So they are making around $8000 a year and they will receive a raise of about $800 a year, a lot of Americans if not most will not receive a raise of $800 this year. Speaking of China, I need to do some coolie labor in my yard.
P.S. actually, it will be more than $900 since their wages are more than the cited 46,769 since that is the 2012 wages, we are probably looking at around a $900 raise with a present salary around $9000 a year
They will need a nice war to distract the populace from their eroding living standards.
Speaking of China, I need to do some coolie labor in my yard.
A word: xeriscape!
Actually, it is but it still needs work from time to time. Stones need to be sifted to remove for sand etc. However, I have a better looking and less labor intensive than my neighbors that try to have an Eastern law in the desert.
law=lawn
China’s Credit Crunch Starts To Hurt
Apr. 30, 2014 8:04 AM ET
By Anthony Harrington
The new leadership in the People’s Republic of China seems determined to bring some sobriety back to the Chinese credit markets; but, as always– when a government or central bank puts the squeeze on, many companies find themselves headed towards a brick wall. As the dominant engine of global growth, when China puts the brakes on, the pain really does get spread around. The signs of stress are starting to mount. As Bloomberg News reported on 12 March, a number of Chinese steel companies are having to cut back dramatically as they can’t get the financing to keep running at their accustomed output levels. This, in turn, is leading to a glut of iron ore and to panic selling as providers frantically try to dump stock to free up cash.
On 11 March, China’s top banking regulator warned that strict credit guidelines would be imposed on Chinese steel mills, particularly on those that are heavy polluters and consume large amounts of energy. Iron ore prices plummeted to a four year low in short order. However, the problem is not restricted to iron ore. As an article in the Wall Street Journal’s Market Watch makes clear, the fact that the world price of copper dropped below $3 a pound for the first time since July 2010 can also be traced back to China, which is one of the biggest markets for copper.
And once again, the credit crunch is at the heart of the story. The Shanghai-based solar equipment manufacturer Chaori Solar became China’s first ever mainland corporate bond defaulter, when it missed the interest rate payment on a domestic bond. Chaori Solar was already massively leveraged and said that, due to the ongoing credit crunch, it could not raise sufficient funds to make good on its interest payments. Now, a second solar energy company, Baoding Tianwei Baobian Electric, has had its bonds suspended on the Shanghai exchange after reporting substantial losses for the second year running, sparking fears of a default. In part, the default has a positive side in that it brings some much needed realism to the Chinese corporate bond market, which had been a magnate for investors who believed - erroneously as it now transpires - that the Chinese government or China’s banks would always step in to bail out troubled companies. That belief had already caused the Chinese corporate bond market to bloat up 10-fold by the end of January 2014, to 8.7 trillion yuan, by comparison with where the bond market was in 2007.
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Chaori Solar was already massively leveraged and said that, due to the ongoing credit crunch, it could not raise sufficient funds to make good on its interest payments.
Why you must borrow in order to make your interest payments, you are doomed…
“Why you must borrow in order to make your interest payments, you are doomed…”
Management likely paid themselves, first.
I think the U.S. media wants the Chinese government to stimulate its economy not to save the Chinese economy but the U.S. economy. China is doing fine with its lower but still fine growth which is allowing it to move resources from low margin dirty industries to high margin cleaner industries which actually compete with the U.S.
An example on how the media distorts by just its magnitude of coverage without actually being inaccurate is the coverage of the North Dakota oil boom. Just by the coverage you would thing that the shale oil boom is centered in North Dakota. However, Texas has around five times the drilling of oil wells as ND with most of them being shale oil wells.
Similarly, these Chinese stories have allowed the media to avoid covering the serious slowdown in the U.S. and are laying the groundwork for a new excuse when corporate profits fall short, first it was the U.S. weather now it will be weak demand in China.
Interesting theories, kind of like global warming.
Or that saturated fats are bad for you.
On that note, the half-and-half in the cup of coffee to my immediate left sure does taste delicious.
“Or that saturated fats are bad for you.”
Or that the nannyfascists will ban them.
Interesting theories, kind of like global warming.
Talk about an interesting theory, the theory that the slowdown was primarily weather related. The first quarter either was no growth or negative growth depending on the coming revisions. The Real Journalists, who are Obama supporters could have blamed it on Obamacare or weather. So of course it was weather related despite the economy being as weak in the West with its mild weather as the East with its cold, stormy weather. Now Obamacare caused premiums to go up for everyone, many people started to pay for the first time in years, the rich had to pay higher capital gains taxes and businesses continue to cut hours and are avoiding hiring people to avoid being covered by Obamacare. Thus, the Real Journalists need a new excuse to explain a slow growth economy since weather will not work for another quarter.
Radioactive fallout and waste are also healthful, like Grapenuts.
There are theories and then there is bullshit, and it is important to not confuse the two.
http://www.chinamining.org/News/2014-05-09/1399604897d67581.html
Chinese coal imports also up at a 7% pace in April.
It seems to me like their economy is on the boil, in an unsustainable race towards a metaphorical brick wall.
But this, too, is just a theory.
I’d worry more about the imminent collapse of the US housing and stock market bubbles.
China’s collapse may happen, but not sooner than those two things. China’s got a lot of lying to do first. I think it will play out over the next couple of decades.
But when housing psychology turns here, as it is doing, and prices start dropping things change over tens of months not tens of years.
If it can go up 20 percent in a year, it can drop that much. But a 20 percent decline would be FATAL to the market and the economy.
Like Goofy said …. Waaaaahooooooooeeeeeeeeey.
“If it can go up 20 percent in a year, it can drop that much. But a 20 percent decline would be FATAL to the market and the economy.”
For that reason, I expect the Fed to keep vocalizing its worries over the housing market while doing all the stealth intervention it can to keep it propped up.
How much of the recent increase in real estate prices in California, Nevada, Arizona is Chinese equity locusts, and what will a collapse in China real estate prices mean?
Spot on, chilidogg!
No, the coming collapse in China is not the worry for the housing market right now. It has not happened yet and won’t for at least a little while. The collapse is playing out pretty much first in the PHX area. The worry is that prices have dropped. The reason is because there is no organic demand. It is not because Chinese investors have left because of problems in China. It is because ALL investors have left because they can’t buy properties that cash flow and they can’t count on appreciation from lower purchase prices any more.
NOT CHINA, NOT YET.
More worried that Obamacare will pinch the U.S., China seems fine:
All they need to do is build more ghost cities and it’s all good!
Or build an Alibaba.
China’s role in copper’s collapse: Why investors should care
March 12, 2014, 9:38 AM ET
The investment world is buzzing about copper prices, and there’s good reason to pay attention, as those falling prices trace back to China — and a potential hard landing for its economy.
For the first time since July 2010, prices for a most active futures contract HGK4 are trading below $3 a pound, according to data from FactSet.
China is the major culprit for the price drop, as the country is one of the metal’s biggest customers and recent poor trade data have rattled the investing world. But the collapse in prices to their worst level in nearly four years isn’t solely about demand concerns.
Overnight, the Chinese solar-energy company Baoding Tianwei Baobian Electric saw its bonds suspended on the Shanghai exchange after a second year of net losses spurred default fears. Such action would follow last week’s first default by a Chinese company on its onshore corporate bonds.
The default worries have “shaken the foundations of the copper market which in China is used as much for financing transactions as for its commodity properties,” wrote Boris Schlossberg, managing director of foreign-exchange strategy at BK Asset Management, in a note Wednesday.
Wednesday’s session saw high-grade copper for May delivery falling as low as $2.91 a pound.
With estimates that as much as 60% of China’s copper stock is used as trade collateral, there’s panic among copper investors who are worried about massive liquidation in the market, said Schlossberg.
Over the years, copper’s value has expanded beyond its use as an industrial metal, and the commodity is now firmly a highly financialized product in China, said John Hardy, head of foreign-exchange strategy at Saxo Bank, in emailed comments Wednesday.
He said the drop in copper prices “can be directly traced to the recent and obvious move by the Chinese regime to weaken its currency in order to slow the popularity of the U.S dollar/China yuan carry trade that was driving their currency stronger against the USD even as major [emerging market] currencies were recently weak.”
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China Steel Mills Slide as Credit Squeeze, Iron Ore Panic Grips
By Bloomberg News Mar 12, 2014 1:29 AM PT
Chinese steel companies, the world’s largest, helped drive a regional industry benchmark index to a seven-month low as concern builds that some mills face financial difficulty amid a government credit squeeze.
“They are having trouble accessing finance,” Yunde Li, chairman of Ishine, a unit of China Zhongsheng Resources Holdings Ltd., which processes iron ore in Shandong, said today in an interview in Perth. Some of Ishine’s steel mill customers cannot make their payments to his company, Li said through a translator, declining to name the companies.
Closely-held steel mills in China are struggling to get funding at the moment and that’s led to panic selling of iron ore, according to Morgan Stanley. The nation’s top banking regulator said yesterday strict credit guidelines will be imposed on mills that were big polluters and users of energy.
“The capital squeeze on steel traders has started to affect mills,” said Henry Liu, Hong Kong-based executive director of China Merchants Capital and head of its commodities research department. “It looks like the credit crunch is worsening.”
Iron ore this week had its biggest drop in more than four years, spooked by the credit squeeze and a surge in stockpiles. The Bloomberg Asia Pacific Iron/Steel Index, which includes China’s Baoshan Iron & Steel Co. and Angang Steel Co. and Japan’s Nippon Steel & Sumitomo Metal Corp., dropped for a third day today, to the lowest since July 31.
“There’re talks some mills are facing tightening credits, as they may be charged with higher interest rates on loans,” said Hu Shunliang, investor affair representative with Maanshan Iron & Steel Co. It hasn’t affected Maanshan, Hong Kong’s second-largest listed steelmaker, he said.
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I guess the China March metals market panic blew over without any problems?
Is housing as important to the overall momentum in the U.S. economy as the Fed thinks?
Housing Not as Important as Fed Thinks: Shepherdson
May 8 (Bloomberg) — Ian Shepherdson, chief economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, discusses Janet Yellen’s worries about the U.S. housing market and what he thinks the Fed should focus on in the economic recovery on Bloomberg Television’s “Bloomberg Surveillance.”
This is good news. The coming crash in house prices won’t necessarily affect the broader economy.
Precisely.
Remember. Falling housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is a housing recovery by definition.
Imagine the rapid economic acceleration when prices finally bottom to early 1990’s levels. Now that is optimism and everyone will benefit.
May 9, 2014, 6:31 a.m. EDT
2 reasons the Fed may keep interest rates at zero
Opinion: Yellen highlights risks from weak housing and emerging markets
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
Reuters
Federal Reserve Board Chair Janet Yellen
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Everyone assumes the Federal Reserve will finally raise interest rates sometime next year. That’s what the Fed’s “dot plot” is forecasting, that’s what the markets are pricing in, and that’s what almost every Fed watcher believes.
But what if they are wrong? What if the Fed delays that first rate hike? What if the U.S. economy isn’t ready for higher rates in 2015?
In her testimony to Congress this week, Fed Chair Janet Yellen didn’t steer anyone away from the assumption that the Fed will probably raise rates next year. But she did flag two risks to the economy that could delay higher rates: the U.S. housing market and the fragile condition of foreign economies.
The link between a weak housing market and low rates is pretty straightforward: Housing is very sensitive to interest rates. Usually, the Fed’s easy-money policies work primarily through the housing market. By lowering borrowing costs for home buyers and home builders, the Fed can accelerate home buying and home building, and give the economy a jump-start that spreads to other sectors of the economy.
This channel for monetary policy has failed in this expansion, mostly because a warped housing market was the main cause of the recession, and it’s taking time to fix it. Many households can’t buy a house, either because their credit was ruined by a foreclosure, or because they are underwater on their current mortgage, or because they want to further reduce their debts, or because their income growth won’t allow it, or because lenders are reluctant to lend to any but the most overqualified buyers.
During last year’s “taper tantrum” in the bond market, just the hint of tighter monetary policy put the brakes on the housing recovery, as mortgage rates drifted higher. By almost every metric, housing has slowed in the past six months, and the Fed is as much to blame for that as anyone.
It’s possible that the housing market will be strong enough by next year that it could accommodate higher rates. But it’s also possible that housing will remain so weak that even a whisper of higher rates could crash the market. The Fed doesn’t want to do that.
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May 8, 2014, 7:00 a.m. EDT
6 dubious Yellenisms from the Fed chair’s testimony
Opinion: Above all, her ‘don’t worry, be happy’ talk hit a sour note
By Diana Furchtgott-Roth
Bloomberg
Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen did a masterful job navigating the political shoals of the Joint Economic Committee yesterday. She told liberal Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) that she shared his concern about the Koch brothers and inequality, and conservative Indiana Sen. Dan Coats (R-IN) that Congress needed to act soon to reduce long-term budget deficits.
But her testimony, and the discussion that followed it, raised a host of serious questions about the role of the Federal Reserve in this sluggish economy. As Chair Kevin Brady (R-TX) told Yellen, her “don’t worry, be happy” monetary message might not work. From what I heard, there were at least six issues on which she spoke that made no sense. I’ll call them Yellenisms. Each of the six issues, below, is bold-faced.
Most important, will the Fed be able to keep inflation in check at “only” 2%, its target goal, after its massive monetary accommodation?
Yellen testified that the Fed has the tools to move in time to avoid inflation. Carnegie Mellon University professor Allan Meltzer, whose op-ed in the Wall Street Journal forecasting higher inflation appeared on the same day, does not think so. Meltzer wrote: “Never in history has a country that financed big budget deficits with large amounts of central-bank money avoided inflation. Yet the U.S. has been printing money — and in a reckless fashion — for years.” Every Fed chair wants to avoid inflation, but America saw substantial periods of inflation in the 1970s that were difficult to eradicate.
Linked to inflation is the question of asset bubbles. Rep. Richard Hanna (R-NY) asked Yellen about Meltzer’s concern that seniors on fixed incomes are taking too much risk in the stock market because they can’t get a historic rate of return on their savings accounts.
Yellen, in full “don’t worry, be happy” mode, sees no evidence of an asset bubble in equities. Plus, she highlighted the advantages for Americans of low mortgage rates that have served to increase the value of houses, Americans’ main asset. True, house prices have gone from underwater to back in the black, as she said. Is this another bubble, especially given the current softness in the housing market? It will take us another few quarters to be sure. Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan did not see asset bubbles, but they surfaced and popped anyway.
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If banking is the question then housing is the answer. Btw has anybody read Nomi Prins new book. I love her efforts in exposing the Bankers as well as the Politicians.
From Wikipedia:
“Nomi Prins is an American author, journalist, and Senior Fellow at Demos. She has worked as a managing director at Goldman-Sachs and as a Senior Managing Director at Bear Stearns, as well as having worked as a senior strategist at Lehman Brothers and analyst at the Chase Manhattan Bank. Prins is known primarily for her book All the Presidents’ Bankers in which she explores over a century of close relationships between the 19 Presidents from Teddy Roosevelt through Barack Obama and the key bankers of their day based on original archival documents, for her whistleblower book, It Takes a Pillage: Behind the Bonuses, Bailouts, and Backroom Deals from Washington to Wall Street, for her views on the U.S. economy, for her published spending figures on federal programs and initiatives related to the 2008 bailout, and for her advocacy for the reinstatement of the Glass–Steagall Act and regulatory reform of the financial industry.”
Curses! I have been outed by a traitor to the cause!
God’s work will have to be postponed.
Wow! Everyone here should watch this twenty-minute interview with Nomi Prins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnNbLOf3dE
Can you give me a sentence or two on what she says before I click the link?
She said you should take out a reverse mortgage.
Saved to favorites for later. TIA!
Are you avoiding long-term bonds due to fears about rising rates?
May 9, 2014, 3:45 p.m. EDT
If you own bonds, beware of rising interest rates
By Jonathan Clements
If you own bonds, how badly could rising interest rates hurt you?
With the economic recovery apparently on a firm footing and the Federal Reserve curtailing its efforts to hold down interest rates, there’s a decent chance we’ll see higher bond yields—and when yields climb, existing bonds decline in price.
How much could interest rates rise? How much would your individual portfolio suffer? To answer the first question, we can look to nominal economic growth, which reflects both inflation and real (after-inflation) GDP growth. Bond yields and nominal economic growth tend to track each other fairly closely.
I’ve heard various theories for why the two may be connected. One possibility: If government bond yields are above the nominal economic growth rate, the government would have to commandeer an ever-growing share of the economy’s resources to cover its interest payments—and that isn’t sustainable in the long run.
Lately, of course, this hasn’t been a worry, thanks in part to the Federal Reserve’s loose monetary policy. Yields on 10-year Treasury notes have been well below the nominal U.S. economic growth rate, which clocked in at 3.8% in 2011, 4.6% in 2012 and 3.4% in 2013.
As the effects of the financial crisis wane, many expect economic growth to pick up, with real GDP growth at 2.5% and possibly 3% a year, while inflation runs at 2% or more. Combined, that might put nominal economic growth at 4.5% to 5% a year.
Suppose that, as the Federal Reserve cuts back its monetary easing, the 10-year Treasury note rose to those levels. That would mean a two-percentage-point rise from today’s 2.6% yield. How would your bond portfolio react?
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May 9, 2014, 11:59 a.m. EDT
How to gauge bond-fund losses before rates rise
By Dan Moisand
Financial markets are full of uncertainty, but how rising rates affect bond prices isn’t all that mysterious. In this week’s featured question, we explore how to estimate the damage rising rates may inflict on bondholdings.
Q. Hi Dan. I really enjoy your articles. My wife and I are both retired. We have two IRA’s. One is $162,000 and the other is $125,000. Our RMDs start next year. All in a bond fund. I am getting nervous about the outlook for bonds and I am not sure what I should do. I know interest rates are going to rise which will hurt bonds but I don’t know how badly. We are comfortable right now but we cannot afford to lose much money. I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you — Allan
A. Thanks Allan. I enjoy writing these.
You don’t need to wonder how rising rates affect bonds. The shorter the term of a bond, the less damage will be done by rising rates. In January, my firm posted a commentary on rising rates . In it there is a chart of the behavior, from May 1- Dec. 31, 2013, of an exchange-traded fund that holds short-term Treasurys and one that holds long-term Treasurys. Interest rates rose a little last year and you can see the effect clearly in the chart. The long-term bonds lost about 18% but the short-term bonds were hardly affected. The trade-off for the stability of shorter-term bonds is that the shorter-term bonds tend to pay less interest.
The extent your holdings are exposed to interest rate risk can be assessed by a mathematical calculation called duration. If the fund you hold has a duration of say 7, a 1% rise in rates will cause a drop in value of about 7%. A shorter duration would result in a smaller drop in prices.
Of course, you would still collect interest which will offset some of the drop. If your fund yields 3% and rates rise 1%, after a year, the fund should be down around 4% (-7% in price reduction + 3% in interest payments).
Don’t interpret this to mean higher yields mean greater safety. That may not be true if the higher yields are coming from bonds issued by parties with weak finances. Wall Street likes to label these “high yield” but they were once commonly known as “junk bonds.” (“High yield” sure sounds better than “junk,” doesn’t it.) Find out what percentage of a fund’s holdings are below “investment grade.” The fund company should have the duration and credit quality information handy.
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Are you tired of Whac-A-Bubble asking you all these questions?
I’m tired of not knowing the answers.
I like it. He never predicts what is going to happen or comes down on a side answering his questions. He just posts the links in a neutral manner.
Jose,
“Whac” has been an institution around here for a very long time and even though we have our differences, many of his posts are important news items regarding financial tidbits. So I read the posts that interest me and skim over the ones that don’t.
I first read his stuff when he was Get Stucco and it might be interesting to list his names over the years.
And another thing, one of the purposes of this blog is to generate visits/clicks because that’s how Ben makes some of his money. I would imagine that he only inhibits disruptive posts. Is that about right?
I am never in favor of limiting debate or a clash of ideas. When people start to limit debate you know that they do not have the facts on their side. I knew the data supporting AGW had seriously gone south for the proponents when they started to say that there was no sense hearing from the other side and actively banned them and refused to publically debate them.
I am never in favor of limiting debate or a clash of ideas ??
As Am I….Its the obvious BS and childish banter thats unnecessary…
But then how to counteract the shills of which there are many?
And the liars. Never let a liars lie go unmet.
I’m in your camp, bro’.
Me too. But I wish HA would confront the lies without making nonsensical statements of his own. Like yesterday’s gem:
Has the reality dawned on you that there isn’t a house on the planet worth more than $250k?
There are houses that I personally would happily pay more than $250K for.
Others unfortunately are willing to pay far more than I am, and thus I sit on the sidelines…
Whether you’re clueless enough to borrow a stupid amount of money to to pay a grossly inflated price for a depreciating asset isn’t my point.
Let me clarify; There isn’t a house on the planet that can’t be built for $250k or less.
HA is a rock. Gibraltar. He is properly counteracting the liars, shills, con men, deluded fools, Kool aid drinkers, “investors,” flippers, underwater geniuses and FBs that pop up or live here.
Those who choose not to understand will not understand. It costs a certain amount to build. Then there are local variances, but those still need to be tied to income in the area as the ability to pay, not whatever someone can borrow or whatever someone is willing to pay. All the rest is stone soup hucksterism.
A man is entitled to his opinion. And these opinions are a fitting counterweight to the lying, shilling real estate fluffers.
Lighten up. I was joking, OK? Because EVERY time I get to the blog early in the day, it’s a list of questions from Whac and the related posts arrive later. I realize it’s just his style.
Good one Jose. I’ll get you for that. You tricked me into saying something nice about Whac
Just don’t trick me into saying something nice about Lola.
“You tricked me into saying something nice about Whac”
Why wouldn’t you say something nice about Whac? He’s a nice guy. Very accomplished, too.
Yes, whac is an institution and Lola belongs in one, that is the critical difference.
“You tricked me into saying something nice about Whac”
Duly noted. I owe you one.
I at least hope someone buys Lola some flowers today. He’s quite a mutha…
Liberace has tulips for all his friends today.
I have three words for you: Joshua Tree Extension
“Pathetic. The entire housing bubble was pathetic and stupid and I’m never going to shut up about it.”
BetterRenter, 2014
^^ This
Amen. And if you live in Florida, like we do, in some ways the aftermath of the bubble and now bubble 2.0 has been worse. Florida has become some sort of promised land for northern refugees from the sh&thole states like NY, NJ, Mass, Ct. and Illinois. We’re getting vultured beyond belief here. All of a sudden, all the whining about “ooh, it’s too cold up here”. No, that’s not the reason they’ve moving here en masse. Because it’s interesting to note that you don’t see too many people moving here from New Hampshire, for example, where taxes and social ills are far less than in those other states.
Really, it sucks on the ground here in Florida. You’d have to see it to believe it. “I’m moving to Florida!!!!!!” Ugh, I can’t stand it. They’re driving up prices, keeping the bubble going, clogging the roadways, straining the resources, flushing the goddamn toilets and draining the aquifer. These are people who, in the past, wouldn’t have looked at Florida twice to bet on in a dog show. All of a sudden, this is such a great state. WHAT????? I moved here in the first place back in 1980 to get away from these dicks. They looked down on Florida and were all mealy-mouthed about “I like the four seasons”. Oh, yeah? Well, the four seasons don’t look so good when you’re broke-ass, right?
Buncha freakin’ broke liars. “Ooooh, oooh, I’m cold, I wanna move to Florida”. BS. They don’t say “I wanna move to California”. Hey, it’s nice and warm there, why not move to CA? Or how about Puerto Rico, for that matter?
I know the reason they don’t move to CA. Taxes, property prices, and oh, yeah, let’s not mention they don’t want their kids in school with a bunch of budding gangbangers. But they won’t admit all that.
Those are Florida’s two attractions - it’s hot and it’s cheap. Arizona and Nevada historically were the same. When people in those three states got so excited during the bubble as their house prices skyrocketed, they should have realized that it was not sustainable. High housing costs would have ended the high rates of migration, killing the economy.
The nice things about Florida: January and February are comfortable. No income tax and its pro RKBA policies.
Well, the four seasons don’t look so good when you’re broke-ass, right ??
Partially you may have it right Palmy…They may not be “broke” but many are on limited resources and compared to where they are, Florida allows them to “stretch” their dollar mainly because of cheaper housing…
I think the under-funded retirements for many boomers is real and we could see a new phase of housing rollover coming due to this…Even if you own a modest home, turning it into tax free cash if you have limited savings is not just tempting, it may be necessary…
“cheaper housing…”
Except that’s the problem, the housing is getting more expensive, not less so. You have people saying they’re looking to spend 300,000 or 400,000 for a FREAKING HOUSE IN FLORIDA!!!!!!!! In some subdivision that looks like Levittown with swimming pools and granite countertops. Seriously.
They’re paying the Eloi tax (HG Wells Time Machine reference). They figure (and rightly so, in many cases) that this is what they need to pay in order to keep their kids out of schools with gangbangers, thugs and pervert teachers (some parts of Florida have a problem with teachers who like to bonk their students, Hillsborough County being one of those areas).
I am really talking about empty nesters Palmy…I don’t know Florida that well but its a big state and if I understand correctly there are a lot of 55 and over affordable area’s…
Dump those shacks….. if you can find a buyer.
I can’t remember what writer said it, maybe Carl Hiaasen, and I paraphrase from memory. ¨Florida is where you move when everything in your life is falling apart, and you need a fresh start.¨ One of the attractions is that most everyone else is a screwed up newcomer there too, so you fit right in. It makes for an interesting state.
LOL, I moved to Florida many moons ago figuring I might as well cut to the chase and flunk out of the Northeast gracefully.
Yeah, that’s J-J-Joe’s theory, that it’s a state full of losers.
Joe has yet to be released from the Matrix.
Florida: “A sunny place for shady people.”
HAHAHAHAHA!
Nobody “likes” the four seasons. That’s just an excuse for being to scared to move away from mommy’s hometown. Anyway, we already know what happens to equity locusts. The cannibalize themselves. Patience, Hosay, patience.
BTW, I thought I would share this watershed/shoeshine moment with you all: my stoner wastoid “brah, deadheads are everywhere” sack leach mentally ill lazy ass dirty rap sheet brother in law has decided to…
become…
a
Realtor.
Good. Another lackey joins the ranks.
“When you play the game of thrones you win or you die. There is no middle ground.”
When you play the game of realtor you either sell or you starve. There is no middle ground.
The middle ground belongs to the banker, who neither sells nor does he starve.
He merely sits back and waits and gets a cut of the action from the deals that are brought to him.
stoner wastoid “brah, deadheads are everywhere” sack leach mentally ill lazy ass dirty rap sheet
Leech may cover it, but is he sucking on the govt teat in some way? Why isn’t he on disability? That unAmerican.
See my post about Toyota at 2014-05-11 09:12:50.
The teat he has been sucking has been his grandfather’s riches from building suburbs in upstate New York in the 50’s and 60’s.
Grandpa’s dead, and the beach house is very expensive to maintain. They just dumped grammy in a “home”facility. I expect refi-ing and drug use to increase 100% in 2015.
“Grandpa’s dead, and the beach house is very expensive to maintain. They just dumped grammy in a “home”facility. I expect refi-ing and drug use to increase 100% in 2015.”
+1 The broker’s banquet.
become…
a
Realtor.
Are his teeth still presentable?
Happy Mother’s Day!
(Are there any moms on here?)
“Mother’s Day might be a time to shower your mom with cards and gifts, but the woman responsible for the holiday would tell you not to bother. That’s because the late Anna Jarvis, who founded Mother’s Day (unofficially on May 10, 1906) to honor her own mother, grew to despise the day for its sappy commercialization.
“A printed card means nothing except that you are too lazy to write to the woman who has done more for you than anyone in the world,” Jarvis famously told greeting card and candy executives. “And candy! You take a box to Mother — and then eat most of it yourself. A petty sentiment.”
Sounds like someone got grumpy in her old age (which I applaud). Handwritten is an anachronism at this point.
Also, if the sappy commercialism of a store bought card and candy is no good, it ain’t like you can’t do something else. Take the old mare out for a bite to eat or to see the movies or to the park with the grand kids.
She’s sleeping.
I have one kid, and strangely enough, I have also become my mother’s mother (stroke - sometimes she will introduce me to doctors/nurses as her mother.) She is driving me up a wall watching the Kardashians.
sometimes she will introduce me to doctors/nurses as her mother Not one bit surprising. She’s right (in a sense) when she says that, and you’re right too.
She is driving me up a wall watching the Kardashians. There is a hypnotic phenomenon known as “negative hallucination” which might serve you very well indeed.
“She is driving me up a wall watching the Kardashians.”
Payback time for irritating things you did as a child?
I’ve been doing my best to ignore it. Don’t even get me started about Hard Core Pawn.
Nope. I was an angel Also, she was an extremely young widow with two kids so I never wanted to upset her (so I made sure I never got caught.) Sounds sappy, but it’s true.
That’s totally sweet.
It also brings to mind my FIL’s childhood. He and his four brothers lost their dad to suicide when the oldest was about twelve. His mom somehow managed to finish the job of raising the five boys and put food on the table for them as well. She was eventually honored as Utah “Mother of the Year” for her successful effort.
“Mummy” marathon on AMC today. There’s appreciation for ya!
Are you kidding? The antifemale statements that sometimes dominate this blog have driven away probably 85% of the people who might be mothers. It’s a shame too, since those people probably could have contributed some good comments.
“Are you kidding?”
Naw, I wasn’t.
Bo.ys do not count but attacks on girls are important:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/moveon-org-petition-supports-girls-kidnappers/
Did you mean to post a different link? The link you posted does not provide evidence of girls being held up as important members of society. In contrast, it proves that lots of people want to lend support to men who kidnap and sell girls, and make public statements about God wanting men to sell women.
A-Dan: Do you even read the links that you receive in your “post this” list every morning?
If you had more logic you would understand moveon.org did not seem to have any problem with the Islamic terrorist group when it was killing boys only when it started to kidnap girls did it have a problem. But you would not know the difference between grape nuts and blue balls.
Then maybe you should have posted an article containing information alluding to that claim. And Moveon.org does nothing but host petitions.
Furthermore, the group in question has attacked the general population (including males and females), but this move is specifically against females. So that’s the logic, dummie. You can’t be antifemale without being antihuman.
Once again, you need to read the articles that you receive in your list before posting links to them on various blogs.
I pick the links and post the links for the intelligent people on this board both conservatives and liberals.
And Moveon.org does nothing but host petitions
Moveon allowed the petition to protect the terrorist organization to remain as a link while the terrorists were burning boys alive it only removed it when they kidnapped girls. Its actions were supporting the group until they crossed the feminists. Therefore, the link supports the contention made, perfectly, since it shows that the link has been there and was only removed recently. Their justifications mean nothing since they would equally apply now, why is kidnapping girls worse than burning boys alive? Why not remove the link months ago?
What’s up with all you East Coast junkies? Seems like there’s another MSM article like this every week. This in Hazleton, PA:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/11/magazine/addict-informant-mother.html?_r=0
What does the NY Times care about some heroin addict in small town PA? They got no junkies of their own in NYC?
Not sure.
But for whatever reason, the “real journalists” have latched on to the story of small town junkies all around the country.
They just had an article on Monday about heroin use on Staten Island.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/nyregion/heroins-new-hometown-in-staten-island.html
“What does the NY Times care about some heroin addict in small town PA?”
White suburban junkies are a tragedy especially the pretty ones.
Nobody gives a sh*t about somebody like Bubbles from “The Wire”, this heroin wasn’t a problem until all the white kidz started dying on it.
The Wire chronicles an American tragedy on a meta level. Begun over a decade ago to tell the tale of the fight against drugs and how it plays out on the front lines. We have not moved on inch forward in all the time since it began.
And heck, it was telling about a problem that had already been going on for 20 years or more when it began in 02.
Oh, is that face considered “pretty”? I thought it was something else. Like “ugly”, for instance. Yeah, she isn’t fat, but that’s just because she takes heroine.
“Is The U.S. A Capitalist Democracy Or Oligarchy?” Janet Yellen Doesn’t Know
Mike Krieger
Liberty Blitzkrieg blog
May 11, 2014
During this week’s Senate hearings, Janet Yellen was asked by Senator Bernie Sanders if the U.S. was a capitalist democracy or has morphed into an oligarchy. While readers of this site already know the answer to this question, which was recently proved empirically by a Princeton and Northwestern academic study, it was still stunning to note her unwillingness to answer the question.
I will give her some credit for not flat out lying about it. She inherently understands that the U.S. is a corrupt, shameful oligarchy, but as head of the institution most responsible for this transformation she simply cannot tell the truth. It is incredible that things have fallen so far that a U.S. Senator felt compelled to ask such a question, and even worse that such a powerful official couldn’t vehemently and decisively deny the claim.
Where I take exception with Sanders, is that he appears to live under some strange sort of hypnosis that makes him think only Republican oligarchs are problematic. Of course no sane person should draw any serious distinction between establishment Democrats or Republicans. Furthermore, he also makes the mistake of focusing on the 1%, when the real problem resides in a far smaller 0.01%, which I described in my post: Where Does the Real Problem Reside? Two Charts Showing the 0.01% vs. the 1%.
See for yourself:
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Plutocracy.
A crony capitalist / progressive society. Little real capitalism. Corporations are run mostly by “progressives” and they run the thugernment. “Progressives” in government owe a lot to large and mispd sizes corporations, but cannot admit it.
Where are you getting this information?
“Where are you getting this information?”
The first obvious source is their own advertising in the media, and their “progressive” ads have been going on for decades. I’m saying corporations in general, not necessarily all corporations.
If you don’t see the progressivism it’s because you are a progressive yourself.
It took me less than 10 seconds to find my first example. This is from Bank of America. Go to their .com site and there is the link below. It has nothing to do with the business of banking and “empowering women,” “social responsibility”, etc. I can go to Southwest Airlines and find another “progressive” link. I can go to Toyota and find another “progressive” link.
http://about.bankofamerica.com/en-us/partnering-locally/empowering-women-leaders.html?cm_sp=EBZ-Corp_SocialResponsibility-_-CorporateSocialResponsibility-_-EIT1C35M_sc_womens_arwb4ung_s.gif
Progressivism is to progress as
A). Nazism is to socialism
B). Conservatism is to conserving
C). Moral relativism is to morality
D). Socialism is to social media
Bill:
Those are just feel-good pieces designed to sell more product. BofA has no actual intention to empower anyone but the boys in the club.
Conservatives want to make 99% of humans into slaves who serve the elite. And they want women to be the lowest form of slave. It’s no wonder that you (a conservative) would see the term “empowering women” at the BofA website, and jump to the conclusion that BofA must be a “progressive” corporation that will lead the United States to Hell in a hand-basket.
Bill, you are a narcissist. You hate progressives because they insist on giving credit where credit is due (i.e., not always to the nearest rich white man).
Also here is a good read: E Warren hates citigroup because she’s a {sniff} “progressive,” yet she appointed a Government Sux corporation member to some government office. BWAHAHAHA!
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/05/progressivism-the-other-pro-corporate-movement-2618852.html
The pretense big businesses make in being for “the little people” are all predictable. They were the James Taggarts, Owen Boyle, and the other crony capitalists in Atlas Shrugged.
I’m saddened that Big V does not realize progressivism is tied at the hip with crony capitalism.
No Big V. You are in denial. Enjoy your mythology that “progressivism” is progress and anti corporation.
“You hate progressives because they insist on giving credit where credit is due”
Let’s see, “credit where credit is due.”
All progressives have this in common: They hate the creator of wealth, even the crony capitalists hate themselves as Ayn Rand predicted - just look at Warren “I am not taxed enough” Buffett - who pays very little income taxes because he has very little income. He has stocks, which get capital gains. He’s a dam hypocrite.
The credit is due to the wealth creator, not the recipient of taxpayer money, and certainly no credit is due any other self-labeled “progressive.”
http://real-economics.blogspot.com/2013/05/penny-pritzker-as-example-of.html
Crony capitalist brown nose (a$$-kissing) Penny Pritzker. Progressive (PPP)
Bizarro Housing Bubble Flipping. And the beat goes on. But only in the “luxury” markets.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-10/bizarro-housing-bubble-spills-over-overbid-madness-10-million-flips-24-hours
food and energy
Are “volatile” and therefore excluded from core inflation.
“Let them eat i-pads” — Federal Reserve bankster William Dudley
My problem is that the government has these phony quality improvement standards so if a computer has twice the memory and costs 20% more, under the way they count the computer has dropped in price even if I did not need the additional memory. Great way to artificially hold down core inflation.
Are essential and thus their availability and their use should be carefully controlled by those who know what’s best for everybody.
And this is the role that bankers are destined to play.
It’s part of God’s plan.
Mr. Baker:
We already know that you just added an extra “n” to your name. I verified the fact by checking your sign-in records. Now bake me a Cheeto, fraud.
If you think that core inflation is a useless statistic, you could just ignore it.
It is hard to have a factually based argument when the government manipulates the facts.
A great quote from one of my favorite heros, Ernst Blofeld, taken from the James Bond movie “From Russia with Love”:
“Siamese fighting fish, fascinating creatures. Brave but of the whole stupid. Yes they’re stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here who lets the other two fight. While he waits. Waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself, and then like SPECTRE… he strikes!”
EVERYONE MUST CHECK IN
FEMA sector VIII checking in.
And a helpful map in case you’re not sure what region you’re in:
http://www.fema.gov/regional-operations
I have fond memories of growing up in Region I and my father taking me for the short trip to Region II for football and baseball games.
“The sign never indicates where to check in – it only assumes that those who know where to check in will check in and for what is anyone’s guess. There are many people who believe that the sign would indicate that some sort of drill or action was already planned and that those “in the know” were required to check in.”
Where does that come from?
Checking in for Region IX.
“Where does that come from?”
The card.
“Where does that come from?”
Clyde Lewis
“EVERYONE MUST CHECK IN”
Thanks for the reminder.
Here’s something to keep you busy for a while:
http://pmpix.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/usps-logo-a-guillotine/
“you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave”.
Apparently the problem is not that home prices or interest rates are too high this spring. Rather it is that credit standards are too tight.
Or so the experts say.
This sounds like a great recipe for another foreclosure tsunami the next time the economy heads south.
But if the experts recommend it, then it must be a good idea.
Call me Rip Van Winkle. I thought they went belly-up in the Fall 2008 crisis and were about to get wound down any day now?
Lenders’ credit score requirements may be stricter than needed
Kenneth R. Harney
MAY 11, 2014 5:00 AM | WASHINGTON
Could this signal the start of some fresh thinking on credit scores?
Are lenders’ credit score requirements for home buyers this spring too high — out of sync with the actual risks of default presented by today’s borrowers? The experts say yes.
What experts? The developers of the credit scores used by virtually all mortgage lenders. Executives at both FICO, creator of the dominant credit score used in the mortgage industry, and up-and-coming competitor VantageScore Solutions confirmed that mortgage lenders could reduce today’s historically high score requirements without raising their risks of loss. In the process, many prospective buyers who currently can’t qualify might get a shot at a loan approval.
Consider this: Consumer behavior in handling credit is subject to change over time, often keyed to regional or national economic conditions. Credit scores that were acceptable risks in the early 2000s — say FICOs in the 640-to-680 range — turned into larger-than-anticipated losers when the recession hit. Now that the housing rebound is well underway and federal regulators have imposed tighter standards on income verification and debt ratios, the high credit score “cutoffs” that virtually all mortgage lenders imposed in the scary aftermath of the crash are stricter than necessary.
FICO scores run from 300 to 850. Lower-risk borrowers have high scores, and higher-risk consumers have low scores. Early in the last decade, a FICO score of 700 was good enough for an applicant to get a lender’s best deals or close to it. Today a 700 FICO just barely makes the grade — 50-plus points below the average score for home purchase loans at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the big investors.
Joanne Gaskins, senior director of scores and analytics for FICO, said that statistical studies by her company have demonstrated that “the risk of default on more recent mortgage vintages is better than at the onset of recession” — essentially real risk has reverted to the early 2000s. A lot more people pay on time. As a result, she said, lenders can afford to “take a look” at their current strict scoring requirements and consider lowering them without sacrificing safety.
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Wells Fargo Joins Lenders Lowering Credit Standards
By Jody Shenn, Dakin Campbell and Kathleen M. Howley
May 1, 2014 9:44 AM PT
Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
A Wells Fargo & Co. branch in Hermosa Beach, California.
U.S. banks are easing credit standards in search of a safe and profitable middle ground after an era of reckless home lending gave way to the stiffest rules in decades, putting a damper on the housing recovery.
Wells Fargo (WFC) & Co., the biggest U.S. home lender, two weeks ago cut its minimum credit score for borrowers of Fannie Mae-and Freddie Mac-backed loans to 620 from 660. The step followed moves by smaller lenders, such as the U.S. unit of Canada’s Toronto-Dominion Bank (TD), which lowered down payments to 3 percent without requiring mortgage insurance for some loans.
Banks ratcheted up borrowing requirements after the most severe housing crash since the Great Depression, preventing as many as 1.2 million loans from being made in 2012, according to an Urban Institute paper. Lenders rode a wave of refinancing until a spike in borrowing costs last year gutted demand, forcing the biggest banks to cut more than 25,000 mortgage jobs. Now they’re removing barriers to mortgages for some borrowers in hopes of reviving a shrinking market.
“We threw the baby out with the bathwater because we had to,” said Rick Soukoulis, chief executive officer of San Jose, California-based lender Western Bancorp. “From there, you start to inch back. If you keep selling only what isn’t selling, you’re just dead.”
…
“Now they’re removing barriers to mortgages for some borrowers in hopes of reviving a shrinking market.”
That’s one way to put it.
Another way to put is the PTB are now creating a market (foaming the runway) for Blackstone and others to unload the real estate they bought up a few years ago at much lower prices.
Egg-sactly!
If you have a price-equals-value market then you will need to get the prices up because in such a market when you get the prices up the values also go up.
Enter Blackstone and others with their buckets of money into the market when the values are down. They enter the market and bid up the prices and people on the sidelines remain alongside their boxes of stupid and watch.
Then after prices are bid up out comes the RE hype and the watchers on the sidelines dip into their boxes of stupid and, in true lemming-like behavior, decide to make the plunge.
And this decision to make the plunge, coupled with all-of-a-sudden easy money, creates a market for RE to be unloaded into.
I think Zillow is in on the scheme. They are showing markets everywhere skyrocketing in value. At the same time, they are ALSO showing skyrocketing numbers of houses with price reductions. They have my house overvalued by about 50%, based on comps and a realtoR evaluation.
In the meanwhile, Movoto is showing very large increases in inventory over the past year or so, although the inventory numbers seem to be leveling out right now. It is May though, so one would expect that.
Why would Zillow have numbers that are THAT far above the actual market? I haven’t seen any numbers on Zillow that appear to be below market at all.
Yet very recently Zillow is showing falling prices YOY. This very fact indicates the rapid reversal in prices very recently.
We’re in the first inning of this.
Zillow is all over the map. I think it needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. It has some value for the actual listing prices of houses or recent sales and to show prices being cut on specific homes and maybe small neighborhood size areas. Beyond that I think it becomes less reliable.
It would take a long time to find just one area where list or sale prices are falling on zillow….. until very recently. Now they’re showing up everywhere.
I haven’t seen any numbers on Zillow that appear to be below market at all.
There are lots of houses in Southeast PHX on the market for over their zillow zestimates.
Mmmmm, Zesty.
Is the dropping of the FHA limits meant to drive the loans to the private sector which will be allowed to loosen standards back to fog a mirror days?
Otherwise I can’t see why they don’t raise those limits back up quick now that housing is faltering.
On this Mother’s Day, can anyone offer comment on the difference in wealth between couples who stay married and those who divorce?
Can’t find the online version to post, but an article in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SUNDAY (dead tree edition) claims that divorced couples’ wealth levels are 75% lower a decade after divorce compared to couples that stayed married. Ouch!
I can say that from among my wife’s seven siblings, this principle definitely has played out. The one out of eight couples (including ourselves in the small sample) who got divorced seven years ago is now living the Oil City plan of which we some times post here. Before divorce, they were a six-figure two-income, upwardly mobile household.
The other seven couples are all making do financially.
It’s cheaper to keep her.
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/fowler-kevin/cheaper-to-keep-her-24197.html
I’ve hear the opposite.
Why is divorce so expensive? It’s worth it?
One thought on that “75 percent wealth reduction” finding: If I were the husband in a divorce, and learned first-hand that U.S. laws are written to screw men in favor of womyn, I sure as hell would quickly head out to Oil City and let my wages drop to as close to $0 as possible, rather than working my tail end off only to have it forcibly handed over to my ex.
Actually Whac, divorce courts are skewed in favor of men. You only hear men complaining about it all the time because most of them assume that they are the sole owners of all the assets and money in the family. Upon divorce, they discover that their kids and wife are entitled to a minority portion of the funds, and the men freak out. They are disillusioned, and they can’t handle the loss of perceived control/power.
If I were the husband in a divorce, and learned first-hand that U.S. laws are written to screw men in favor of womyn, I sure as hell would quickly head out to Oil City and let my wages drop to as close to $0 as possible, rather than working my tail end off only to have it forcibly handed over to my ex.
One of my acquaintances was pregnant with her fourth child when her husband (or ex husband), a druggie, left her. Also he was one semester away from a degree in business. Her husband moved to Las Vegas and worked at a 7-11, which meant subsistence wages. He did that on purpose so that he would not have to pay support.
The woman had issues of her own, I considered her good looking and she was always fit, even after having four children, she was into distance biking and swim competition. But she had some severe mental health issues. And she told me once that she had those since she was a child.
Once again, Bill doesn’t even realized that he just provided more evidence to prove that it isn’t the MEN who need to avoid marriage and parenthood, it is the WOMEN. Men can easily shirk their responsibilities by moving to another state and earning their income under the table. Women, on the other hand, have already born and raised the three kids, with one in the oven, when the guy is allowed to disappear with no punishment.
So this is why WOMEN are deciding not to get married and have kids. This is why the fertility rate is declining in the industrialized world. It is not because smart men like Bill figured out that women are too expensive.
Bill: If the court system were fair, that A-hole would be forced to work off his debt to his family. But no, a white man can’t be held accountable for that sort of thing. For you are a white man, and you are at the TOP of the heap.
“Actually Whac, divorce courts are skewed in favor of men.”
I don’t claim any expertise on this subject. But I do have a close (male) friend who seemed to have gotten severely screwed by the divorce courts. His wife, a foreign national, went to school with both of us, so I knew them both pretty well. Later she decided she wanted to live overseas rather than in the U.S. where his job was.
Rather than recognizing her decision to split up the family, the divorce court saddled him with a large enough alimony payment, to be sent to her and the kids overseas, in order to effectively prevent him saving enough money to visit the kids. From my perspective, if she wanted to set up a separate household from her husband overseas, the divorce settlement should have included financial accommodation for him to visit. Instead it basically cleaned him out, even though she lived in her wealthy father’s home and didn’t really need the money.
Albeit this is a single data point, but it seems to offer an example of how a working male can get saddled with an unfair settlement.
MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way
It’s a beautiful thing. Welcome to America 2014
Big V wrote
“Bill: If the court system were fair, that A-hole would be forced to work off his debt to his family. But no, a white man can’t be held accountable for that sort of thing. For you are a white man, and you are at the TOP of the heap.”
I saw another instance that happened to my sister. Her husband cheated on her with the woman next door and that woman’s friend. The toad split the scene shortly after his youngest son ended up paralyzed and with head injury from being hit by a car. My sister’s husband was (is, if he’s still alive) a ne’er do well. She married below her level. She married the first piece of slime that came out of the flooded gutter and smiled at her, in essence. Funny thing is that she still kept his last name, and never divorced him. Her now grown kids (the paralyzed one died after ten years of suffering) don’t reminisce at all about their dad.
So no, not all cases of contention between men and women are the women’s fault. But I have listened for more than 20 years to older men at work tell me what they went through on divorce. I never wanted to be a divorced man ever.
And I will never ever be a divorced man.
There, I gave two cases. But
Also, a divorced man usually has poorer health than a single man. It is mostly due to the mental damage after divorce. Loss of net worth, realizing his ex spouse has become his worst enemy, etc.
Never married men have to make up for the shortfall of not having a spouse to nag about health. We have to be our own spouse, in a sense and our reason should guide us in diet and exercise.
“A bachelor is a man who never made the same mistake once” — Unknown
Divorce is a troubling trend in America and it’s very expensive.
In AZ the law divides the assets in half, you have to pay lawyer fees and you have to buy new stuff. Then when there’s a disparity in income, the richer half has to pay alimony to the other for 1/3 the time you married. Add it all up and it really sucks.
In the end a single person has a net worth about 40% of what they had before, depending upon how much the lawyers cost you. (I knew a lady that had been married 4 times. She knew the system so well she didn’t even bother with lawyers, but that’s another story.)
“(I knew a lady that had been married 4 times. She knew the system so well she didn’t even bother with lawyers, but that’s another story.)”
Bahahahahahahahahaha
Send husband number 4 to me; I have some dotted lines for him to sign.
“In the end a single person has a net worth about 40% of what they had before, depending upon how much the lawyers cost you.”
Maybe this is not a valid comparison, but that sounds much better than the Ohio State University study conclusion, which was that ten years after divorce, a broken-up couple’s combined wealth is only 1/4 that of their married peers.
That kind of comparison is difficult to gauge since I don’t know what any of my peers make.
The Average retirement savings at age 50 is less $44,000, which is unfortunate.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/retirement-statistics/
I’m expecting redistributive measures imposed on those who lived less large and saved more in the coming years in order to keep those who lived larger and saved little off the streets.
Just my guess…
I asked a divorced friend why he didn’t have any “replacement squeeze?” He said he could afford to live on half, but not a quarter.
LOLZ
OPERATION CLOSED CAMPUS
“The crisis template always seems to involve an inspection, visit from dignitary, or drill prior to the event.”
“Then the incident takes place in a place of open infrastructure to create a fishbowl terror scenario, this includes malls, theaters, schools. Then there is always eye witness accounts of maybe one of two suspects. Those suspects disappear and then a name is given as the suspect. Sometimes names are changed, suspects are eliminated and then there in one suspect that usually either is apprehended or commits suicide.”
Avalanche of Koch cash coming soon to a TeeVee near you (thanks, Citizens United)
“The Koch brothers’ main political arm intends to spend more than $125 million this year on an aggressive ground, air and data operation benefiting conservatives, according to a memo distributed to major donors and sources familiar with the group.
The projected budget for Americans for Prosperity would be unprecedented for a private political group in a midterm, and would likely rival even the spending of the Republican and Democratic parties’ congressional campaign arms.
AFP’s $125 million projected 2014 budget alone would also exceed the total 2012 fundraising hauls of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, National Republican Congressional Committee, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee or the National Republican Senatorial Committee.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/koch-brothers-americans-for-prosperity-2014-elections-106520.html?hp=l3
I guess this is just a snow slide.
Tom Steyer isn’t Senate majority leader, or chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, or even Senate president pro tem. He’s merely the man who wants to spend $100 million on Democrats this year and who hates the Keystone pipeline.
Oh Drudge
President James A. Garfield Monument in Lakeview Cemetery burglarized, commemorative spoons stolen
“Someone broke into the President James A. Garfield Monument in Lakeview Cemetery and stole commemorative spoons, police reports say.
The burglars on Wednesday shattered a window to the monument and resting place of the 20th U.S. president to get inside the building just off Mayfield Road.
Garfield is the only U.S. president to have his casket on full display and is near the glass case where the spoons were stolen.
Reports say a cemetery worker discovered about two dozen commemorative demitasse and teaspoons stolen from the monument and called police.”
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/05/president_james_a_garfield_mon.html
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Michael Sam: ‘Overwhelmed’ by pick
Updated: May 11, 2014, 11:06 AM ET
By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Michael Sam made history Saturday afternoon, as the St. Louis Rams made him the 249th overall choice in the 2014 NFL draft.
The Missouri defensive end became the first openly gay player to be drafted in league history and seeks to be the first openly gay athlete ever to play in the NFL.
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Here’s an article about the Toyota moving its North American headquarters from California to Texas. Some people were under the impression that Texas was chosen due to its small government and free market policies. Part of the reason for choosing Texas was, in fact, the complete opposite of that.
Texas to Pay $10,000 for Each Toyota Job
State Incentive Helps Land Car Maker’s North American Headquarters
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Texas offered Toyota $40 million to move, part of a Texas Enterprise Fund incentive program run out of the governor’s office. At $10,000 a job, it was one of the largest incentives handed out in the decade-old program and cost more per job created than any other large award. Last year, Texas spent about $6,800 to lure each of 1,700 Chevron Corp. CVX -0.05% positions to Houston and $5,800 for each of 3,600 Apple Inc. AAPL -0.42% jobs shifted to Austin.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303939404579529672654374090
“Texas to Pay $10,000 for Each Toyota Job.”
“… part of a Texas Enterprise Fund incentive program run out of the governor’s office.”
California is run by idiots. The Golden State is letting lose of its gold.
Soaking the rich in order to give it away to the indigent works great until all the rich guys move away.
Is the Texas strategy better - soaking the middle class to give it away to giant corporations?
“Is the Texas strategy better - soaking the middle class to give it away to giant corporations?”
Whether it is better or not for the middle class really doesn’t matter because it’s not the middle class that is making these decisions.
The Texas Enterprise Fund guys focus their attention (and their money) on the cooperate movers and shakers because these are the guys that get to decide whether or not to make the jump.
Texas is smart. And California? Not so much.
So if it was smart for Texas to give $40 million to Toyota, it must have been a genius move for the federal government to hand over billions to GM and Chrysler.
Without a state income tax, where did Texas get this $40 million?
Without a state income tax, where did Texas get this $40 million?
Have you ever seen what property taxes are like in Texas?
“Have you ever seen what property taxes are like in Texas?”
I have. But being from Arizona and California, I’m used to the counties getting the revenue. So what county in Texas gave Toyota $40 million?
“…where did Texas get this $40 million?”
I’m sure they did what every other government does, they borrowed it.
California used to work when businesses had no other reasonable place to move to. Now that Texas has this apparently successful incentive program this is no longer the case.
By the time the wizards that run California finally “get it” it’ll be too late.
Besides, land is cheaper and wages are lower in Texas. It surprises me that any business is still located in California, especially manufacturing.
And yet our “mothership” is still there, and Larry seems quite OK with that. We have room to spare at the Broomfield campus, yet all the new hiring seems to happen at the Santa Clara campus, which is bursting at the seams.
Stupid question of the day:
“Are stocks cheap?”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/are-stocks-cheap
Big surprise! The link above makes a strong case that they are not.
Oh lord, everyone is telling me to buy stocks and buy a house. No one understands dividends or rents anymore. They only understand “equity”. And no one understands interest anymore either.
I’m sad.
“Interest”? Isn’t that he near 0% the banks pay you to deposit your money with them?
Interest is something that happens when a stock or house goes up for sale. Everyone is interested in buying.
Why not go directly to the glorious post-presidency period without first suffering through the burdens of leadership?
Opinion Journal Live
Why Hillary Should Not Run in 2016
Why Hillary is better off not running in 2016, Obama and the White House Correspondents Dinner, and why running with Obama may put some Democrats in danger of losing.
5/6/2014 1:00:00 PM11:25
May 6, 2014, 10:00 AM
Exclusive: Monica Lewinsky Writes About Her Affair with President Clinton
By Vanity Fair
PHOTOS Monica Lewinsky Is Back
Photograph by Mark Seliger.
Monica Lewinsky writes in Vanity Fair for the first time about her affair with President Clinton: “It’s time to burn the beret and bury the blue dress.” She also says: “I, myself, deeply regret what happened between me and President Clinton. Let me say it again: I. Myself. Deeply. Regret. What. Happened.”
After 10 years of virtual silence (“So silent, in fact,” she writes, “that the buzz in some circles has been that the Clintons must have paid me off; why else would I have refrained from speaking out? I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth”), Lewinsky, 40, says it is time to stop “tiptoeing around my past—and other people’s futures. I am determined to have a different ending to my story. I’ve decided, finally, to stick my head above the parapet so that I can take back my narrative and give a purpose to my past. (What this will cost me, I will soon find out.)”
Clearing the Air
Maintaining that her affair with Clinton was one between two consenting adults, Lewinsky writes that it was the public humiliation she suffered in the wake of the scandal that permanently altered the direction of her life: “Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship. Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position. . . . The Clinton administration, the special prosecutor’s minions, the political operatives on both sides of the aisle, and the media were able to brand me. And that brand stuck, in part because it was imbued with power.”
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One thing is for certain: If Hillary runs, you can bet your bottom dollar that the RNC will pay Monica Lewinsky a handsome sum to go on lecture tours to make presentations on how her affair with Bill Clinton ruined her early adult life.
Not part of the “war on women” meme when a democrat does it.
Or when Muslims kidnapped and sell school children into slavery.
It will be the Republicans who cement their image as misogynists when they use this scandal as a way to discredit Hillary. Because Hillary had nothing to do with it, see?
And btw, I still haven’t heard any good explanation as to why Repubs don’t want equal pay for equal work. Have you?
Monica + Bill does not equal “war on women”. It equals “egotistical man as President who got caught”.
Huh!?
‘Not part of the “war on women” meme when a democrat does it.’
When a Democrat does what?
Hopefully you aren’t really so stoopid that you think I am a Democrat!? If so, I pity you.
“egotistical man as President who got caught”.
Either that, or he was starved for a lack of home cooking.
Yeah, but why does everyone associate this scandal with Hillary? She wasn’t involved in it.
She blamed the scandal of a right wing conspiracy and the human humidor instead of her husband, it does not say much about her judgment now does it? But what difference does it make whether it was due to a right wing conspiracy making it up or it actually happened?
Hillary managed in the “Bimbo Eruption Team” that would attack, demean and ruin the good name of anyone that Bill touched. Kathleen Willy, Paula Jones, etc, etc, etc.
Bill’s libido is legendary and I have to wonder if he’s changed his ways. It had to have hurt Hillary and why would she subject herself to the same thing again.
Besides the Benghazi thing is going bring it’s own troubles.
Sorry guys, but Hillary did not react the way that you claim she reacted.
Why do Republicans oppose equal pay for equal work?
Why do Republicans think that a woman can’t get pregnant from being raped?
Why do Republicans think that the best way to prevent unwanted pregnancy is for young females to take sole responsibility for keeping the populace a virgin?
Yeah, y’all are gonna lose because you have not paid the proper respect to females (i.e., the MAJORITY of registered voters). Stupid is as stupid does.
Uncle Fed,
I’m curious, where did you get that information? Seriously, I’m eager to see the article(s) where?
Blackhawk:
Do you live in a cave? All that stuff was all over the news for WEEKS when it happened. A quick google search will turn up all the quotes and videos you need. GAWD, the repub party is such a circle-jerk. No matter. Keep your blinders on and keep on losing. You. cannot. win. without. women.
Are you saying Monica will swallow her pride and spit out the story?
She thinks that would be hard to swallow.
“One thing is for certain: If Hillary runs, you can bet your bottom dollar that the RNC will pay Monica Lewinsky a handsome sum to go on lecture tours to make presentations on how her affair with Bill Clinton ruined her early adult life.”
Hillary should have fluffed Bill twice a week to keep him out of trouble; shame on her. Larry Flynt of Hustler magazine will still pay Monica $1-million to show us what Bill sampled. Easy money.
Scariest thing about Hillary Clinton: The deep pockets who run the show from behind the curtain may be able to figure out a way to get her elected, even though it appears that at least half the U.S. population would cringe at the thought.
Poll: Hillary Clinton’s numbers worst since 2008, as GOP brand surges
By Aaron Blake
April 17 at 12:09 pm
Then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Lima, Peru. (Karel Navarro/Associated Press)
A new poll shows former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s (D) numbers hitting their lowest point in six years.
Meanwhile, it finds that the Republican Party is experiencing something of a renaissance.
The Fox News poll, from Democratic pollster Anderson Robbins Research and GOP pollster Shaw & Company, shows Clinton’s favorable rating dropping to 49 percent, compared to 45 percent unfavorable.
The last time her numbers were in that ballpark was during the 2008 Democratic presidential primary race. After she ended her campaign, her favorable/unfavorable split was 47/46.
Other polls have shown Clinton’s numbers — which were stellar during her time as secretary of state — steadily dropping since she left her post last year.
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I’m not sure the PTB don’t want to switch to R this time. I think they go back and forth to make it look like there is a choice.
Hardship Makes a New Home in the Suburbs
Video | Poverty’s Long Reach California’s Inland Empire, east of Los Angeles, has attracted people expecting to live out the American dream. But with jobs and services scarce, the region has a high poverty rate.
By JENNIFER MEDINA
May 9, 2014
MORENO VALLEY, Calif. — The freeway exits around here are dotted with people asking for money, holding cardboard signs to tell their stories. The details vary only slightly and almost invariably include: Laid off. Need food. Young children.
Mary Carmen Acosta often passes the silent beggars as she enters parking lots to sell homemade ice pops, known as paletas, in an effort to make enough money to get food for her family of four. On a good day she can make $100, about double what she spends on ingredients. On a really good day, she pockets $120, the extra money offering some assurance that she will be able to pay the $800 monthly rent for her family’s three-bedroom apartment. Sometimes, usually on mornings too cold to sell icy treats, she imagines what it would be like to stand on an exit ramp herself.
“Everyone here knows they might have to be like that,” said Ms. Acosta, 40, neatly dressed in slacks and a chiffon blouse, as she waited for help from a local charity in this city an hour’s drive east of Los Angeles. Both she and her husband, Sebastian Plancarte, lost their jobs nearly three years ago. “Each time I see them I thank God for what we do have. We used to have a different kind of life, where we had nice things and did nice things. Now we just worry.”
Five decades after President Lyndon B. Johnson declared a war on poverty, the nation’s poor are more likely to be found in suburbs like this one than in cities or rural areas, and poverty in suburbs is rising faster than in any other setting in the country. By 2011, there were three million more people living in poverty in suburbs than in inner cities, according to a study released last year by the Brookings Institution. As a result, suburbs are grappling with problems that once seemed alien, issues compounded by a shortage of institutions helping the poor and distances that make it difficult for people to get to jobs and social services even if they can find them.
For years, the couple thought of themselves as wealthy. They bought a five-bedroom house in a suburb just a few miles east of downtown Los Angeles, where they both worked in the jewelry district — she inspected diamonds and he designed bracelets and rings. Making $16 an hour, plus commissions, they earned as much as $2,000 a week. They traveled to San Diego and Las Vegas, they bought their two children the toys they asked for. Just more than a decade after they had emigrated from Mexico, they believed their hopes had become a reality.
But in 2011, Ms. Acosta was laid off. So was Mr. Plancarte, just a few months later. They soon sold the house for far less than they had paid. They drove east, looking for something they could afford to rent, and landed in Moreno Valley, a city 60 miles inland that has become a common outpost for those priced out of Los Angeles. They live in a sprawling apartment complex designated for low-income families.
The paletas have become a centerpiece of their lives. The couple constantly think about the best prices for ingredients and how many pops are in their small freezer; they take orders by phone to deliver to backyard parties. When their son asks to get hamburgers at the local In-N-Out, they have a standard response: “The mathematics are very simple,” Ms. Acosta said. “If you want to eat there, we need you to sell $25” of the ice pops.
“The hardest part is the shame,” Mr. Plancarte said, sitting at his kitchen table as his wife and daughter ate mango paletas doused in chamoy, a blood-red sugary hot sauce. “People say to me, ‘Why don’t you find a job over there, or at that factory or that place?’ First of all, they aren’t there, I’ve tried. But even if they have a job, it’s going to be paying me $8 an hour. So I’ll spend no time with my family to make less money than I make now selling these.”
Just a couple of years ago, when the dry cleaner called reminding her to pick up a pair of pants, Ms. Acosta told him to give them to charity. “Now I am one of the people taking giveaways,” she said. “I see people all the time in worse positions than we are in. The kids are healthy, we have a roof. Maybe that’s the best we can hope for.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/us/hardship-makes-a-new-home-in-the-suburbs.html?referrer=
We posted this article yesterday.
Where’s IE LANDLORD KING? According to him the Inland Empire is the land of milk and honey.
How do a diamond inspector and a jewelry designer manage to double their wages in tips? I have never given a tip to a person who does either of those jobs. Methinks they lied on their mortgage application, so they don’t want the real numbers publicized.
I didn’t see the word “tips” anywhere in the article. It said they earned _commissions_ on top of their base pay.
They don’t make commissions either! Commissions are for sales people.
So much more to this story
Immigration status?
Liars loans?
Home equity loans?
No other jeweler jobs in LA?
Maybe they can get a good factory job at Toyota? Oh wait - the super majority of democrats who control the state pushed them out - along with thousands of other businesses…
Something does seem fishy. And if they’re illegals (which they probably are) they couldn’t get a job with Toyota, not even in Texas, plus they are clearly uneducated so I doubt that even if they were legal immigrants they could get get one of Toyota’s cube farm jobs due to their lack of credentials.
MoVal is full of illegals.
Making $16 an hour, plus commissions, they earned as much as $2,000 a week
That was a lot of commissions, if they really did earn them. So how did they go from from being highly paid jewelers to selling home made popscicles?
Cameron: Give Us Access To Your Bank Accounts or We’ll Raise Taxes
by Breitbart London
10 May 2014
British Prime Minister David Cameron has argued that the controversial new plans to allow HM Revenue and Customs to take money from Britons’ bank accounts at will is a necessity if the public wants to avoid further taxes rises.
The warning came during an interview with Sky News wherein the Prime Minister defended the intrusive measure announced in the Budget earlier this year. In effect, if UK tax authorities (HMRC) believe that money is owed to them by the taxpayer, they can dip into bank accounts at will and remove owed funds.
HMRC cannot take less than £1000 and the account must still have at least £5000 remaining, but there are fears it is the slippery slope towards having no legal recourse.
Cameron told Sky News: “We have a choice here. If we don’t collect taxes properly and make sure people pay their taxes properly we look at the problems of having to raise tax rates. I don’t want to do that, so I support the changes the Chancellor set out in the Budget which is to really say that not paying your taxes is not acceptable.
“It is very clear that they can only do this if there is a debt of over £1,000, they can only do it if there’s £5,000 or more in the account after this has been completed. The general principle – do we want to pursue every avenue of making people pay their taxes they are meant to pay before we put up taxes, because that’s the alternative – absolutely, yes we do.”
But Members of Parliament are less keen on the plans. The Telegraph reports that MPs say in a recently published document: “The ability directly to have access to millions of taxpayers’ bank accounts raises concerns about the risk of fraud and error.
“This policy is highly dependent on HMRC’s ability accurately to determine which taxpayers owe money and what amounts they owe, an ability not always demonstrated in the past. Incorrectly collecting money will result in serious detriment to taxpayers.”
HMRC has come under fire in the past for its poor data handling, and it was reported earlier this year that the arm of the British government intends to sell citizens’ data to private companies. Former Conservative minister David Davis told the Guardian the plans were “borderline insane”.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/10/Cameron-let-us-into-your-bank-or-well-raise-taxes
And I’m sure that the HMRC would never make a mistake in collecting that money. They don’t have that “innocent until proven guilty” thing over there, do they?
Another incentive to store excess cash beyond the $5,000 bank limit - under your mattress if you are a Brit.
More reason to load up on movable and hidable wealth. Platinum and gold bullion and liquor. Should also move some wealth to Galt’s gulch in Chile.
And we wonder why foreigners see the US as a safe haven.
The facts are the U.S. government’s IRS is far more of a thug organization than any other tax agency in a developed nation. It reaches illegally across the jurisdiction of the U.S. boundaries to go after people who seek havens. The other nations don’t do that.
Yesterday no one seemed to admit that taxation is theft. Well Oxide made an ad hominem attack against me instead of address my statement that taxation is theft.
Donkeys are known for kicking.
First Detroit-owned home up for auction draws top bid of $34,100
and for a little less than $25/sq. ft.
“…and for a little less than $25/sq. ft.”
So HA was telling us the truth after all…
No one here doubts houses in Detroit are worth $25/SF.
Materials and labor are the same irrespective of location.
That reality strikes fear in you as it should.
This housing rebubble thing is really stressing me out. When will the dead cat finally hit the EFFING ground?
When the Obama trillion dollar deficits end and the fed (100% appointed by Obama) stops QE and bankers start to go to jail.
Or to sum up - not until at least 2016…
After Obama leaves office, and is replaced by a Democrat, we will continue to see less corruption than we did under the Republicans. Now, back to the question:
House prices. When?
“After Obama leaves office, and is replaced by a Democrat, we will continue to see less corruption than we did under the Republicans.”
That is your opinion, so please leave out the “we”.
It’s gonna happen to you too, Hi-Z. You are gonna get a Democrat for prez in 2016. I will laugh sooooooo hard if it turns out to be Hillary, but only because the Repubs would have caused that to happen.
C’mon…sit back, relax and enjoy the vindication and panic.
I am HA, I am.
May 7, 2014, 10:35 a.m. EDT
This Russian empire will crumble just like the last one
Opinion: Weakened economy will collapse under burden of Ukraine annexation
By Matthew Lynn
Reuters
A Ukrainian soldier stands at a checkpoint near Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine.
Russia has already annexed the Crimea. Its agents are reported to be fomenting rebellions across the Eastern Ukraine. Its troops are massing on the border, and President Vladimir Putin has talked admiringly of the old Soviet empire just as he appears intent on recreating it in purely Russian colors.
The world is quite right to be worried that Moscow has imperial ambitions across its region, just as it did through most of the 19th and 20th centuries.
But the last Russian Empire was undone by the weakness of its economy, and this one will be as well. Putin may act tough, but he has not put in the place the economic foundations for a bid for great-power status.
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‘nother stealth bailout?
May 11, 2014, 11:21 a.m. EDT
Fed’s reverse repos to become permanent: Lockhart
By Asa Fitch
Bloomberg/file 2013 Enlarge Image
Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart
DUBAI—An experimental monetary policy tool that lets banks and financial firms place cash with the Federal Reserve in exchange for an overnight loan of U.S. Treasurys will likely be adopted as a more permanent means for the central bank to help control short-term interest rates, Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart said on Sunday.
The so-called reverse repos have proven popular since testing began in September. By manipulating the interest rates attached to these transactions, the hope is that the Fed can put a floor under overarching short-term interest rates.
While the Fed has put limits on allotments of the repos, Lockhart said the experiment has been a success.
“Overall I am confident that reverse repos will be among our tool bag and therefore may very well have a role in how we try to influence short-term interest rates,” he said at an American Business Council of Dubai event at the Dubai International Financial Centre.
Fed Chairwoman Janet Yellen said during congressional testimony last week that the reverse repo tool was likely to be in play when it came time to raise rates. The Fed has kept short-term interest rates near zero to stimulate the economy as it gradually recovers from the worst recession in a generation.
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