Back To A Reality Check
The Marin Independent Journal reports from California. “Home equity loans were up across the Bay Area in the first six months of 2014. In Marin, 451 such loans were made in that period, a 5 percent increase over the same period in 2013, according to DataQuick. This was the highest number of these loans in Marin for any first quarter since 2008. ‘What’s causing the uptick (in loans) is that values have gone up so much in the area, people who couldn’t refinance years ago can now refinance and take advantage of the historically low interest rates,’ said Jeff Grady of San Rafael-based California Mortgage Advisors. ‘Now they can pull equity out of their house to do home improvement projects, pay for college, any one of a number of things,’ Grady said.”
The Union Tribune. “Between 2004 and 2007, more than 325,000 San Diegans took out home equity lines of credit, totaling around $40 billion,DataQuick reports. Now the bills from that first wave of HELOCs, taken out in 2004, are coming due. Homeowners must start paying on both interest and principal on the outstanding balance, and often at higher interest rates of 5 or 6 percent.”
“‘It’s one of those ticking time bombs that’s eventually going to happen,’ said Bruno Lizarraga, a loan originator at San Diego-based Community Housing Works.”
The LA Times. “After fast appreciation last spring, Southland home prices have largely leveled out since interest rates rose last summer and more houses trickled out for sale. But with investors backing out and the stocks of foreclosures and short sales drying up, the market now hinges on regular buyers. The number of absentee and cash buyers continued to drop, as did the share of distressed sales. Meanwhile adjustable-rate and jumbo loans continued to grow. ‘We’re kind of bumping along a ceiling,’ said Steven Thomas, who analyzes Southland real estate. ‘I really can’t see values going up much more. Buyers are really honing in on trying to pay a fair market value.’”
The Orange County Register. “Real estate broker Richard Daskam compiles a monthly report on listings in Los Angeles and Orange counties using data from the MLS. His report shows that there were 17,677 listings in April. In May, the area had 26,746 listings on the market. Although Daskam chalked up some of the increase to ‘the typical summer influx of new listings,’ he said the month-to-month jump is bigger than usual.”
“Although he’s hoping that more homes on the market spur buyer interest, Daskam credited some of the listing influx to homes sitting and not selling. He has only a couple of pending sales. ‘We really should have eight or nine in escrow,’ he said, adding, ‘We’re just not getting the showings and the offers right now.’”
The Mercury News. “The Bay Area’s housing market stumbled in May — prime home-buying season — as high prices and low inventory held real estate sales well below normal levels, according to DataQuick. The price gains are leveling off as they near their previous peaks and as buyers drop out. The year-over-year gains between May 2012 and May 2013 were much larger in all but Alameda County, according to DataQuick. ‘Buyers for whatever reason are not willing to line up for a mortgage to buy a house,’ said Richard Calhoun of Creekside Realty in San Jose.”
“‘I believe we are probably hitting affordability limits,’ said Brett Jennings of Keller Williams in Los Gatos. His said his typical buyers are a husband and wife in tech, making a combined $240,000 a year, who still can’t afford a basic home in some parts of the valley. ‘When the median home price is no longer supported by the median income, we’re near top,’ he said.”
The Press Democrat. “Petaluma broker associate Timo Rivetti said he feels like there is a bit of a lull now in the Petaluma market. About 10 properties have had price reductions in the past few weeks. ‘We’ve all been spoiled. I think we’re back to a reality check,’ he said.”
“Rivetti said one of his biggest challenges today is sellers with an inflated sense of their home’s value, often fueled by online sites like Zillow or Trulia that may not take into account truly comparable properties. ‘They still think their house is worth X, when in reality it’s worth Y,’ he said. ‘We’ve all been spoiled by a fantastic marketplace in the last 18 months.’”
From Bakersfield Now. “Housing prices continue to rise, and 2014 is seeing the return of a ‘normal’ housing market, according to Bakersfield appraiser Gary Crabtree’s annual report. The number of houses available on the market has nearly doubled at 1,015, up from 515 one year ago. ‘Many of those homes were being purchased by investors,’ Crabtree said. ‘And we’re seeing investors now leave the market, which now opens the market up for the home buyer. Interest rates are continuing to help out, because they are continuing to stay low. But, again, without a median family income increase, it’s hard for families to be able to afford these homes.’”
The San Gabriel Valley Tribune. “The years-long battle over a modest working-class home continues, as the Coronel family protested at the Fannie Mae office in Pasadena. The Coronel family was one of millions affected by the recession, with the 63-year-old patriarch losing his job as a landscaper in 2009. When they tried to get a loan modification, though, they were denied.”
“Public documents show the Coronels had purchased the home in 1990 for $143,000. Beginning in 2000, the family began taking out multiple loans ranging from $12,000 to $26,000, ultimately signing a $371,000 loan on the home in August 2007. A notice of default was recorded on June 7, 2010, and the deed was transferred to Fannie Mae at $411,701 on Oct. 19, 2010, public documents show. After the foreclosure, however, the Coronels were allowed to stay as renters in the home.”
“In a statement released Tuesday, Jaime Coronel explained that the couple refinanced three times at the encouragement of lenders and brokers. However, the refinancing provided the family less than $100,000 for the repair of the house and payment of two auto loans, with the rest going to broker fees. ‘The house was in very bad condition,’ Juana Coronel said, explaining that the smaller loans, which included $70,000 borrowed in a 15-month span, were used for remodeling and home improvements like roofing, electrical and landscaping.”
I was so surprised by the Union Tribune article that I’m going to repost the entire paragraph from it:
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“Between 2004 and 2007, more than 325,000 San Diegans took out home equity lines of credit, totaling around $40 billion, real estate tracker DataQuick reports. Borrowers make interest-only payments on the loan for 10 years. After that, the line of credit converts to a mortgage and must be paid back — typically at a higher interest rate. Had home values kept rising, paying back the loans might have been easy, through a refinance or another line of credit. Today, however, many who bought during the housing bubble are just glad their homes have regained their original value, which plummeted during the Great Recession. Their equity disappeared, but the lines of credit remained. Now the bills from that first wave of HELOCs, taken out in 2004, are coming due. Homeowners must start paying on both interest and principal on the outstanding balance, and often at higher interest rates of 5 or 6 percent. ”
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Years ago I saw an NYT map showing that 40% of southern CA had I/O or neg-am cash-out HELOCS. But I had no idea that this toxic paper had a 10-year grace period instead of the usual three years. And this is 2004! What is this going to look like in 2015 and 2016, when the loans from the crazy 2005-2006 prices kick in?
And even in the best case scenario, the only way to pay back the loan is to take out another loan? So no one ever intended to pay the loan back ever?
Its old news Donk. It was posted and discussed at length 2 months ago.
“donk”
luv it
“Borrowers make interest-only payments on the loan for 10 years. After that, the line of credit converts to a mortgage and must be paid back — typically at a higher interest rate.”
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
People are smart. Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
“loans from the crazy 2005-2006 prices…”
Not everyone was astute enough to borrow at 2004 prices, before all this crazy stuff began.
In other news:
“The average apartment rent over the prior 6 months in Washington has decreased by $104 (-5%)”
rentjungle dot com
Why buy a depreciating house when you can rent it for half the monthly cost?
Blue, HELOC’s in 2004 were for lower amounts, simply because prices (equity) hadn’t skyrocketed fully. In some places, HELOC principles from 2005-2006 could be double what they were in 2004. No one will ever pay that back. We could see a new wave of walking.
I don’t trust apartment rate trends. There’s so much difference in location and rate hikes upon renewal that you can’t make a good comparison. And what difference does that drop make? A 2/2 flat in an old building still costs as much as the PITI on my 3/2.
Nonsense. Prices were up 250% by 2004.
“There’s so much difference in location and rate hikes…”
The big picture is that rental rates around DC have been falling for several years. One thing about the rent, you wouldn’t be facing the loss of a couple hundred large…
Why is a two bath two bed apartment the baseline for a single person?
“In 1997, housing prices began to diverge substantially from rental costs. Between 1997 and 2002, the average compound rate of growth in housing prices was 6 percent, exceeding the average compound growth rate in rentals of 3.34 percent.”
“Today, after the financial crisis, the recession and the slow recovery, the bubble is beginning to grow again. Between 2011 and the third quarter of 2013, housing prices grew by 5.83 percent, again exceeding the increase in rental costs, which was 2 percent.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/opinion/the-bubble-is-back.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
Housing prices were sky high in 2004 as the top was reached in mid-2005.
To quote Gomer Pyle: Surprise, surprise, surprise!
It’s not old news. One article I read cited the example of a woman who indeed had her loan renewed as an interest only loan.
“Home equity loans were up across the Bay Area in the first six months of 2014.
“‘What’s causing the uptick (in loans) is that values have gone up so much in the area, people who couldn’t refinance years ago can now refinance and take advantage of the historically low interest rates,’ said Jeff Grady of San Rafael-based California Mortgage Advisors. ‘Now they can pull equity out of their house to do home improvement projects, pay for college, any one of a number of things,’ Grady said.”
No dollar escapes. The same people who were underwater and living sleeplessly at the edge a few years ago are now cashing in the equity that has magically returned to their (or rather the lender’s) houses.
One would think that people - people who are smart - would have somehow learned a lesson or two from their experiences but apparently they do not and they did not. If/when the next downturn comes around these same people will again end up living sleeplessly at the edge and will be pissing and moaning about all the ways they have been victimized by the ruthlessly unfair System.
Stay tuned.
they will get a bailout what do they have to lose?
“they will get a bailout what do they have to lose?”
Most likely they will be put into a holding pattern just as they were before.
The so-called bailouts are reserved for the lenders.
Economic victims are always worthy of bailouts, even when they do it to themselves.
Just keeping the host alive.
These parasites are smart critters!
“These parasites are smart critters!”
It only seems to be so because the hosts are dumb as rocks.
Throw out a “People are smart” campaign and the dummies immediately buy into it.
they will get a bailout what do they have to lose?
Thanks Amy.
‘Now they can pull equity out of their house to do … any one of a number of things,’
Is it legal to spend the proceeds of a home mortgage loan on anything the borrower wants?
What if the value of the home later drops and the borrower finds himself underwater? Will he then clamor for a bailout, even though he spent the loan proceeds on any one of a number of things (besides stable household finances)?
Define legal. Define “is.” Lola is always ranting about trickle down economics. Bubba brought us Trickle Down Truth!
More of the same to come if Hitlery gets elected…
Yes, HELOC cash can be used for whatever you want:
What Can You Do With a Home Equity Loan or HELOC?
You can do whatever you want with a home equity loan or HELOC: finance your son’s education, take an extravagant trip, or buy a big screen television. Some people use it to consolidate debts that they’ve racked up on various credit cards.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/home-equity-loan-basics-30021.html
However, let the borrower beware. Even in California, only purchase mortgages (80%+piggyback 20%) are non-recourse. Everything else, you’re on the hook. You can’t walk from the boob job.
However, if the second mortgage was financed after the initial purchase of the property and is on a second deed, then Section 580b does not apply. Similarly, Section 580b also does not apply when the borrower has refinanced the property to take out additional equity or obtain financing at better terms
http://www.bills.com/is-my-heloc-a-recourse-or-non-recourse-loan-in-california/
“would have somehow learned a lesson…”
Forced to repeat Home Economics 101.
It will be the government’s fault, but the government will blame it on Ron Paul.
Get ready for (1…2…3…) MASSIVE DENIAL AND REALTOR® SPIN.
Never forget: California real estate always goes up.
Never forget: California real estate always goes up ??
Generic statement, and very misleading…The numbers would probably show thats the case over a long period of time in a place like Carmel, San Francisco, Palo Alto, La Jolla, Malibu and a few more…
Applying that same statement to the majority of California, again over a long period of time adjusted for CPI its likely not the case…
From Ben yesterday;
“I also discovered some of them had brought their notions of what houses and land were worth with them…My experience is that Californians have an unusually high percentage of people that gamble in real estate…. I don’t know why that is. And I also have seen that they take this gambling habit with them when they leave California”.
I would agree with that Ben…I guess it may be the hot money effect…The only experience I have to have seen this happen is in Grants Pass Oregon where I have extended family and they are in the construction industry…I got to see first hand the transformation almost solely impacted by the “hot money” coming from California…When the hot money stopped coming the market collapsed and the area was stuck with huge inventory that had been speculated on and built anticipating that continued flow of hot money…Valuations got completed detached from any local workers ability to buy…
Today, it has come full circle and although valuations have come back a bit, they are probably back to mid 90’s level…
Meaningless considering your consistent misrepresentations about construction costs.
If current resale prices weren’t 300% higher than current construction costs you might have a point.
Construction costs for whom?
Might as well dwell on the costs of brain surgery.
Sure, I can remove a brain tumor for the cost of a few band aids and ether, but unless Someone is willing to sell the operation at that price, it is of small consequence.
All prices are subjective, component costs, though they may be trivial, don’t matter.
his costs are for shanties
And your shack was even less to build
…. with profit.
I had no idea construction was brain surgery though.
If Kidbuck can do brain surgery, then he could probably make a good living by selling lobotomies to realtoRs. That would improve their intelligence.
he could probably make a good living by selling lobotomies to realtoRs
Just inject some of their Botox directly into the brain, cheaper and same effect.
You need a brain to be able to understand….HA.
“Between 2004 and 2007, more than 325,000 San Diegans took out home equity lines of credit, totaling around $40 billion, DataQuick reports. Now the bills from that first wave of HELOCs, taken out in 2004, are coming due. Homeowners must start paying on both interest and principal on the outstanding balance, and often at higher interest rates of 5 or 6 percent.
‘It’s one of those ticking time bombs that’s eventually going to happen,’ said Bruno Lizarraga, a loan originator at San Diego-based Community Housing Works.”
No big deal. What’s $40 billion in loans to rich San Diegans?
It’s normal for the number of homes available on the market to double in one year? For how many more years is this normal pattern expected to continue?
Sounds more like the market is open for knife catchers. Try not to catch yourself a falling knife.
‘The last chunks of distressed property in Inland Southern California continued to push through the foreclosure pipeline in May, the second straight month for a spike in bank take-backs.’
‘Daren Blomquist, vice president of RealtyTrac, warned months ago that the lag in scheduled auctions and notices of bank repossessions, which seemed to begin when California’s Homeowners Bill of Rights took effect in 2013, would be the “second shoe to drop” once lenders adjusted to the new law.’
One provision in the Bill of Rights derailed a practice called dual-tracking, in which a bank representative or debt-service agent talked to a homeowner about a loan modification while personnel in another department took formal action to foreclose on the property. The new law set up specific steps to take. It also made lenders more liable for their missteps in a foreclosure process.’
“The increase in bank repossessions in states with shorter foreclosure timelines like California and Oregon demonstrates there is still some pent-up foreclosure activity there,” Blomquist said. California repossessions increased 26 percent in May from May 2013.’
‘In the greater Valley, Palmdale topped the list with foreclosures in one out of every 367 homes. The other major Antelope Valley city of Lancaster also continued to struggle, with one out of every 398 homes in foreclosure.’
‘Other Valley communities with high foreclosure rates include Santa Clarita, with one in every 566 homes; Pacoima, with one in every 709 homes; and Sylmar with one in every 778.’
Lawyers are liars.
It sux that it not only is legal to make a living by lying, but it is considered a downright respectable professional occupation.
‘Since the beginning of the Great Recession, an increasing number of young adults in San Diego County live with their parents, putting a damper on the housing market and the broader economy, according to a report released by the National University System Institute for Policy Research.’
‘The IPR report noted that San Diego’s population has grown by 4.2 percent since the recession began in December 2007, but the number of households has grown only 1.7 percent, suggesting that a lower percentage of people are living on their own.’
‘If trends in household formation had remained unchanged from 2007, the county would have 27,500 more households than it has, estimated Kelly Cunningham, who wrote the report.’
‘Instead, the trend translates into less demand for housing, meaning fewer job opportunities in construction and finance, as well as slower growth for the economy, said economist Kelly Cunningham, who also wrote the report.’
‘Last year, San Diego County added 8,315 new housing units. Although that was a vast improvement from the depths of the recession, it was less than half of the record-setting pace before the recession and nearly 30 percent less than the homebuilding rate between 1990 and 2006, when an average of 11,300 houses and apartments were added each year.’
‘Similarly, there are 25 percent fewer jobs in the construction, real estate and mortgage industries than at the peak before the recession, despite four years of recent growth.’
‘Cunningham said research indicates that the trend is largely tied to young people either “choosing or being forced by circumstances to remain in their parents’ home longer than they would have in previous generations.”
‘One reason may be that the bulk of jobs created in San Diego since the beginning of the recession do not pay enough for workers’ rent.’
‘IPR policy research analyst Vince Vasquez released a report in May showing that 37 percent of workers in San Diego earn less than $11 per hour, and 33 percent of those workers are between 22 and 30, including a significant number who appear to be living with their parents.’
‘A report last week by the San Diego County Taxpayers Association indicates that such a salary could not cover the rent. The association calculated that a worker would need $12.76 per hour to rent a studio apartment and pay for other necessities.’
“Many people opt to share two-bedroom apartments, regardless of income level,” said Sean Karafin, the association’s interim president, who drafted the report with the San Diego Regional Chamber of Commerce.’
‘IPR analyst Vasquez suggests that a lower wage may be appropriate for people who are in “a transitory part of their career” — for instance, college graduates just entering the labor force. But Vasquez’s statistics show that nearly half of the area’s low-wage workers do not appear to be in that transitional phase.’
‘Some 45 percent are older than 30; 32 percent are older than 40 and 18 percent older than 50.’
‘Statistics suggest that as with the younger people, some of those older workers appear to be doubling up with other workers to lower rental costs, translating into less demand for new housing.’
“Similarly, there are 25 percent fewer jobs in the construction, real estate and mortgage industries than at the peak before the recession, despite four years of recent growth.”
Gee, “despite four years of recent growth” there are fewer jobs in the construction, real estate and mortgage industries.” I wonder why that is?
Maybe if I read a bit farther down I will somehow come across the answer.
“One reason may be that the bulk of jobs created in San Diego since the beginning of the recession do not pay enough for workers’ rent.”
Oh, okay, I think I’s getting close, maybe if I read down a bit farther …
“IPR policy research analyst Vince Vasquez released a report in May showing that 37 percent of workers in San Diego earn less than $11 per hour, and 33 percent of those workers are between 22 and 30, including a significant number who appear to be living with their parents.”
Oh, THERE IT IS! There is the answer! I found it! Eureka!
Slowly - very slowly - I am making a connection here, I am connecting incomes with expenditures. I am discovering - slowly discovering - that if one does not have the income then he cannot make the expenditure.
I need to stop right here and write this thought down before it forever slips away …
“…37 percent of workers in San Diego earn less than $11 per hour, and 33 percent of those workers are between 22 and 30, including a significant number who appear to be living with their parents.”
OMG! How does even the most capable macroeconomist paint lipstick on those piggish numbers?!
It’s perfect because the bubble houses were gigantic, meaning they can contain more people. There were predictions on this blog that McMansions would be broken up into multifamily units. Just convert one bedroom into a kitchen, add a separate entrance, throw up an extra wall, and voila, you have a duplex.
When little Joanie or Franky gets married and has a kid, but they all still live at the grandparents’ house, these things tend to happen.
“It’s perfect because the bubble houses were gigantic, meaning they can contain more people.”
That’s right! Four Mexican familias can live in a McMansion affordably priced ‘from the $1 millions.’
This puts into context why it made sense to loan out $700K+ to Central Valley strawberry worker households pulling down $30K/yr.
‘Since the beginning of the Great Recession, an increasing number of young adults in San Diego County live with their parents, putting a damper on the housing market and the broader economy, according to a report released by the National University System Institute for Policy Research.’
We’re a statistic, as we have a live-in young adult child as I type.
Luckily we are all getting along much better now than when she was a HS student. She even has a job (in the fast food service industry!).
‘Jayceon Taylor, the rap musician and reality TV actor known as Game or the Game, has sold his gated house in Glendale for $1.63 million, the Los Angeles Times reports. ‘
‘He bought the house in 2005 for $1.9 million, public records show. He owns another property in Northridge.’
If only there were some mainland Chinese buyers in Los Angeles to keep the prices up and snap up all real estate in hours. Too bad none in LA.
looks like a nice gain on that sale
Donald Trump style gain!
‘Today there’s just a fenced-off pit the size of a city block to remind residents of a time when Sacramento’s housing market seemed ready to reach for the sky and draw thousands of upscale buyers to downtown condominiums. Toward the end of last decade’s housing boom, developers promoted ambitious proposals to raise residential towers that would dwarf the existing skyline …Then, the housing bubble burst, flattening the bevy of high-rise proposals before any actually got off the ground.’
‘In recent months, as the housing market rebounded and plans for a new NBA arena spurred interest in downtown real estate, developers and city officials again have been talking about soaring towers and million-dollar condos with views of the Central Valley.’
“We’re actually quietly looking at some sites right now, because we do believe the market is coming back,” said Craig Nassi, the New York developer who at the height of the market in the mid-2000s planned to build a strikingly modern 38-story tower on Capitol Mall called Aura. It would have featured 265 units priced from $400,000 to $1.5 million.’
‘The developer said he took pre-orders on 78 percent of the units, with buyers signing contracts and paying deposits, before the market imploded. Nassi’s architect, the renowned Daniel Libeskind, quit the project after complaining he wasn’t getting paid. “We still have our lists of people who are highly qualified and highly interested,” Nassi said.’
‘Skeptics say residential towers remain a dream in Sacramento, a historically low-rise and leafy city with plenty of land to build on.’
“None of these projects is real unless there’s a crane in the sky,” said Sacramento City Councilman Steve Hansen, who represents downtown. “We’re dealing with aspirations. There’s no reality yet.”
Most of these folks round sacramento think there somebody cause they live in CA.
There are some real armpits around the valley. There are only a handful of nice areas and prices are sky high because of the limited supply.
You can try and go cheap and you end up with a bunch of tweekers around you.
The first time we stopped for gas in CA, it was in Sacramento. The temperature was 107 degrees F, and luckily the stop was brief, as I never, ever want to have to live there!
‘Today there’s just a fenced-off pit the size of a city block to remind residents of a time when Sacramento’s housing market seemed ready to reach for the sky and draw thousands of upscale buyers to downtown condominiums.’
Do you know this site, Jingleballs?
He is busy trying to offload his shacks at the least loss.
Do you really believe the race to the exits is already underway!?
‘A growing trend of banks placing distressed homes up for sale with online auctions has left Santa Clarita Realtors crying “foul,” claiming online auction sites are using “shill” bids to drive prices up. One company, Auction.com, however, does disclose on its website that it “may counter bid on behalf of the seller.”
‘The Irvine-based company’s reasoning is that bidding on a property they’re selling through auction helps to meet the seller’s reserve price. The company claims it does not continue bidding if the minimum sales price is met or exceeded.’
‘But the practice has prompted California Realtors Association – C.A.R. - to sponsor legislation to stop the practice.’
‘Even a few of Realtors say they don’t know if the some of the problems they’ve experienced are related to the online company – or the banks which have already been heavily fined for poor practices during the mortgage meltdown.’
‘Still, Realtors are suspicious of behaviors that aren’t transparent. Sam Weller with Keller Williams said a friend recently lost his home to foreclosure. Despite the comps showing the home should have been valued at $1.3 million, the house sold online for $1.05 million. He felt someone had some kind of ‘inside information,’ he said.’
“The bank foreclosed very fast without giving him a chance to short sale or make a payment schedule,” Heller said. “And neither I nor the title company can find any information of the listing on the Internet after it sold - like it never happened.”
Hey Sam, why didn’t your friend just accept one of those multiple offers and avoid the foreclosure?
‘Still, Realtors are suspicious of behaviors that aren’t transparent.’
That is truly precious.
“How dare they run bogus auctions! That our job!”
Ahahahahahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaa. But this may point the way to the destruction of the Stealtor monopoly.
“legislation to stop the practice”. Stop the practiced of telling everybody pay 6% or your house won’t sell?
Aren’t their antitrust laws in the USA? I’m thinking of the Sherman Act — why doesn’t someone use it to shut down the NAR monopoly?
Google it, there are many lawsuits against NAR and other local Stealtor Associations on antitrust grounds. Still they do it and no one cares.
“The bank foreclosed very fast without giving him a chance to short sale or make a payment schedule,”
Usually a mortgage has a payment schedule arranged before the loan is made…
‘the inventory of homes for sale has grown, with more traditional sellers wading into the market this spring. That’s giving buyers more to choose from, but without a flood of new buyers, it means homes that feel overpriced are starting to sit on the market a little longer.’
‘That’s an unpleasant surprise for some sellers, especially those who were finally lured into the spring market by tales of bidding wars and double-digit price hikes, and then valued their homes accordingly. Mona Cohen, an agent with Rodeo Realty in Brentwood, finds herself more often having to play the bad guy with sellers who think their home is worth more than the market will bear.’
“They still think they’re in that little bubble of 2013, where you’d put it on the market and have 15 offers,” she said. “That still happens in pockets. But buyers have become a lot more savvy.”
‘Indeed, Cohen and other market watchers say they’re starting to see more price reductions as sellers lower their sights to compete.’
‘Still, no one is expecting home prices to go down overall. There’s still more demand than supply, and well-priced homes are still selling quickly. Many experts just think the market will keep muddling along through summer.’
‘And in a region like Los Angeles, where the median-priced house costs seven times the median household income and housing affordability is a growing challenge, having a market that moves in tune with the fundamentals of the economy isn’t such a bad thing, said Appleton-Young, even if it’s growing a bit more slowly than it has been the last few years.’
“Whatever normal means,” she said, “I agree.”
Not sure I get your drift Leslie.
“no one is expecting home prices to go down overall”
Hey LA Times, I can think a few people.
‘And in a region like Los Angeles, where the median-priced house costs seven times the median household income
Sometime life is doing you a huge favor by not giving you what you think you want.
“Sometime life is doing you a huge favor by not giving you what you think you want.”
This would make a good curse of some sort, maybe a Chinese curse or a Gypsy curse:
“May life present to you everything that you want.”
“Be careful what you ask or pray for - you just might get it.”
Or maybe something like:
Heaven I where you get everything you need and hell is where you get everything you want.
What is it when you only get what someone else wants you to have?
‘Cradle to grave’ care?
“After a time, you may find that *having* is not so pleasing a thing as *wanting*.” –Mr. Spock to the Vulcan who stole his woman.
Dang, it that ain’t true. I can count numerous times when a situation or deal fell through and how that saved my hiney in hindsight.
Didn’t the LA Times do an interview with Ben Jones in the past? OK, they’re right, there is not one person who thinks that prices will go down. There are thousands.
‘His said his typical buyers are a husband and wife in tech, making a combined $240,000 a year, who still can’t afford a basic home in some parts of the valley. ‘When the median home price is no longer supported by the median income, we’re near top,’ he said’
I’ve been asking this of some posters here for a while: do you really think this is going to glide up to the perfect point of equilibrium and stay there? Or is it more likely to run a muck and get to crazy land?
It’s a bubble. When you have prices going up double digits for almost 2 years, multiple offers, selling way over asking. love letters, jeebus you name it, it’s a bubble, not a “recovery”.
There is that wonderful moment I remember as a child, when I would be chewing bubblegum and blowing bubbles. Every once in a while you’d get that one big bubble that would surprise even you. It would be full of hope that it would never pop. But it would last only for a moment.
Then there’d be a lot of sticky gum to deal with.
Besides, the typical family in the Bay Area does not make $240,000. Those may be the typical buyers, but only because the normal people can’t afford to be buyers. So why the high prices, then? Infestors and Chinese people I guess, but that doesn’t seem like a satisfactory explanation to me. I keep thinking there must be more to it.
Why couldn’t those Investors save The Game’s house in LA? Its all horsehockey.
Even worse than that, the foreclosed inventory from the last bubble still hasn’t cleared. All over the Bay Area inventory is tight, and in many areas nearly half of the inventory and often all of the potentially affordable properties are dragging through a foreclosure process that doesn’t seem to have any structure or bounds. This isn’t just a bubble, it is a double bubble. Reverting to the historic medians may take some time, but is essentially inevitable.
>>Bills from that first wave of HELOCs, taken out in 2004, ????? wtf
you don’t make payments for 10 years ?
Explains a lot of hummers…
I was shocked to learn about that. I was under the impression that all the i/o resets had already occurred. It’s spooky when you think about it.
‘Some leading central banks have become major players on world equity markets in a development that could potentially contribute to overheated asset prices. Evidence of an increase in equity-buying by central banks and other public-sector investors has emerged from a survey of publicly owned or managed investments compiled by the Official Monetary and Financial Institutions Forum (OMFIF), a global research and advisory group.’
‘The OMFIF research publication, Global Public Investor (GPI) 2014, launched on June 17, is the first comprehensive survey of $29.1 trillion worth of investments held by 400 public-sector institutions in 162 countries. The report focuses on investments by 157 central banks, 156 public pension funds and 87 sovereign funds. There are worries that central banks may be over-stretching themselves by operating in too many areas.’
‘The best-known example is the Norwegian sovereign fund, Norges Bank Investment Management (NBIM), with $880 billion under management, of which more than 60% is invested in equities. The fund owns on average 1.3% of every listed company globally, and 2.5% of listed companies in Europe.’
‘Rivaling NBIM is now the State Administration of Foreign Exchange (SAFE), part of the People’s Bank of China, the biggest overall public-sector investor, with $3.9 trillion under management, well ahead of the Bank of Japan and Japan’s Government Pension Investment Fund (GPIF), each with $1.3 trillion.’
‘SAFE’s investments include significant holdings in Europe. In a new development, it appears that the PBoC itself has been directly buying minority equity stakes in important European companies. Another large public-sector equity owner is Swiss National Bank, ranked the world’s No. 10 GPI measured by market assets, with $480 billion under management. The Swiss central bank had 15% of its foreign exchange assets — or $72 billion — in equities at the end of 2013.’
Print money, buy stocks. What could go wrong?
seems logical to print money , devalue the currency and thus stock prices are suppose to go up to make up for the devalued currency.
Those rich people will then hire somebody for 10 bucks an hr.
“it’s hard for families to be able to afford” lower commission to 1.5% to seller agents and 1.5% to buyers agent that may help these families afford a house?
While on my subject of RE agents and the must have 6% or “nobody will show your home” folks.
My niece ask us to look for a possible home in the 400k range. We made the mistake of doing this on Fathers day, I called at least 7 agents nobody answer the phone and when finally got a agent to answer she said, “can we talk Monday, today in Father’s day?”
Well there it is plain and simple, the real estate community has it all sewn up. They are the cartel running the show, the wake up call should be for buyers and sellers to get together and let these folks enjoy a perm ant Father’s Day?
always sold my own- w all the net help available it’s a less than no brainer now.
Sounds like a family of suckers who don’t understand the value of a dollar.
do u use chinese drywall on your shanties?
Speaking of suckers… Hows that drepeciating shanty of yours $hitHouse Poet?
Her name is Amy.
Besides, Father’s day is a day when dads get weird ties from their kids. Who cares about that? It’s not like there is chocolate involved.
“It’s not like there is chocolate involved.”
I got some. And I deserved it.
Your kids must be above average.
I honestly think it is true. In my unbiased fatherly opinion, of course. (Not saying they are the next generations’ Einsteins, just that they are basically good kids at heart and treat others well most of the time…)
crater
‘Argentina’s president is refusing to go along with a U.S. judge’s ruling requiring a $1.5 billion repayment of defaulted bonds, even though the U.S. Supreme Court rejected her government’s appeals and left the order in place.’
‘In a national address Monday night, Cristina Fernandez repeatedly vowed not to submit to “extortion,” and said she had working on ways to keep Argentina’s commitments to other creditors despite the threat of losing use of the U.S. financial system.’
‘Argentine markets were already reflecting fear. The Merval stock index dropped 11 percent after the court decision, its largest one-day loss in more than six months, and the value of Argentina’s currency plunged 33 percent on the black market.’
‘But a chorus of analysts said that if she complied with the ruling, it would become much easier for Argentina to borrow again.’
“Some people say, ‘Why don’t you pay them and end all this right now?’” the president said. “It’s because there’s another problem, even more serious. There’s another 7 percent who would be able to demand payment from Argentina, right away and now, of $15 billion. That’s more than half the reserves in the Central Bank. As you can see, it’s not only absurd but impossible that the country pays more than 50 percent of its reserves in a single payment to its creditors.”
“It’s our obligation to take responsibility for paying our creditors, but not to become the victims of extortion by speculators,” she said.’
I don’t see the problem Cristina. Just print the money. That’s what we do.
Seriously, is there any reason they can’t or won’t take this approach?