June 22, 2014

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 04:16:00

realtors are liars

Comment by mikeinbend
2014-06-22 07:27:55

Sell all your (55$ sq ft WISHING) depreciating assets NOW as you will not find a buyer at any price later….
Just looking out for you bud.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 11:55:44


We sign contracts, not speculation.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 07:47:45

realtors are liars

Finally—back to my favorite of your repeti-posts!

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 11:59:59

Everyone here who wants to check in and prove their non-shill status please post these words:


It is that simple.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 12:10:25

It really is that simple. Strange it gets skimmed over.

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Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:53:04

So many shills here, so little time.

How many are living off the fat of the land in houses that they could not afford to buy at current prices. Crater.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 04:35:16

“Every Indicator Of Housing Market Activity And Prices We Know Is Slowing Or Falling Outright”


No wonder the lying realtors are re-appearing here. They are panicking and underwater trying to talk up the dying housing market. Dumb lying realtors.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 06:56:18

And the Shill quotient here is increasing which also means a falling market.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 04:40:40

Housing Demand Plummets 10% YoY Nationally


And this chart is developed using NAR’s own cheery over the top optimistic data.

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Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 07:00:59

same old rubbish today?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 07:03:32

Having fun yet Amy/$hithouse Poet?

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:05:20

Listing prices down. Inventory up. Price reductions in houses on market. Days on market up.

Should have shills and stealtors quaking in their booties.

When before in recent memory has this happened after a dramatic runup? What happened once it started then?

It wasn’t a permanently high plateau. And even with Uncle Sam stepping in, MANY GOT FLATTENED!

Comment by Janet
2014-06-22 07:27:42

Some moderate inflation should solve this problem. Inflation will force money hoarders to loosen up and spend some of their hoard.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 07:48:01

Hold onto your cash. You’re going to need every penny of it.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:54:23

Prices of houses are already dropping, open your eyes.

Comment by mikeinbend
2014-06-22 07:40:42

What happens, jester, when the king is no longer entertained by your antics?

Keep reflecting; if the housing situation is not about you then what keeps you so diligent?

“Nyah Nyah Nyah. I am HA. I am rubber, you are glue. All you say bounces off at me and back at you!” You can use that one on me, I did not make it up myself after all so I am offering you nothing. And when I build a home/work place on my property in a few years, I would send you my plans, but you will be living under the bridge to nowhere you built.

Its all about you mister. If you are currently getting your $55/sq foot; that price should be halved soon enough. According to you, give or take.

I would be worried if I were you; buyers gonna buy at the price THEY decide, and that is falling due to lack of demand, right, right? Sorry you are in the wrong industry at the wrong time; cuz, well, crater Mr Craterton. Two houses pending on my street, they got their wishing prices too.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 07:44:08

Awwww…. Still smarting from your losses? Well that’s what get when you play.

Remember…… Houses result in loss.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 07:51:25

Nice to see you back, mike.

BTW, I was one of the ones who encouraged you to sell—but if you recall, I said pretty directly that by holding, you were merely another speculator, and speculators win sometimes and lose sometimes. And I also thought it would go up further before turning around.

I do think you are better off choosing a more sustainable life, such as you have now, over one where your “earnings” were driven primarily by the insanity of mania and money supply.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 07:53:14

Sorry you are in the wrong industry at the wrong time;

Very interesting question that he raises, HA: how secure do you feel in your chosen profession, as demand for building should in fact fall if the housing market takes another dive.

I’d really value hearing your perspective on this point.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:56:19

Mutual admiration of shills society.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 07:59:56

Wow, now I’m a shill? Show me a single post from me that shills for the REIC.

You will fail to do so—because there are none. You are quite possibly delusional. I have been advocating for sane lending and sane house prices here for almost a decade now.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 08:09:17

Obvious to everyone here and its news to you? Lolz

Comment by drumminj
2014-06-22 08:13:56

Wow, now I’m a shill?

Folks here lately seem so quick to dismiss someone’s message by calling them a troll or shill, rather than discussing the comment itself. Common on the internet, of course, but it’s a shame to see so much of it here.

Prime most certainly isn’t a shill, Favela, especially given he currently doesn’t own a house and actively speaks as to why he doesn’t.

It’s a shame the HBB doesn’t have accounts with “join dates” so we can track all these new aliases, and folks wouldn’t be calling long-time posters “shills”

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 08:17:05

Its pretty simple my friend……..when you come here and and attempt to distort the truth, you’ll get hammered.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-06-22 08:42:04

‘Folks here lately seem so quick to…it’s a shame to see so much of it here…It’s a shame the HBB doesn’t have…’

You know, I used to make a meager living from this blog. Now, I provide it as a favor to people, and even spend hours on the side researching and putting together posts. And many more hours moderating the comments. My all this complaining! Why don’t I just ditch the bits bucket? Why even have comments at all? I didn’t have them when I started. I can turn them off in a second.

Comment by drumminj
2014-06-22 09:05:59

My all this complaining!

Ben, I wasn’t complaining and certainly wasn’t meaning to voice a lack of appreciation for you providing this blog as a place for us to post.

Please consider that I was simply opining as to a way of addressing some of the perceived issues in this forum.

If this is really how you feel, why don’t you just turn off the comments? If you’re at the point of attacking a long-time poster for simply lamenting something that would be nice to have (not criticizing you, or demanding it), it seems better for your mental health.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-06-22 09:09:55

‘attacking a long-time poster’

I didn’t ‘attack’ you. Just sitting here on a Sunday morning, volunteering my time like I’ve done for 10 years.

Comment by drumminj
2014-06-22 09:23:30

I didn’t ‘attack’ you.

Fair enough - you did not attack me. Guilt-tripping? Threatening perhaps?

Presumably you get something out of keeping this blog running. There’s a reason you actively post here…so why make statements such as “I can turn them off in a second?”

I don’t see anywhere in this thread where someone (myself included) is complaining about how this blog is run, or that you should do something differently. What I do see is some folks in this community trying to keep the level of discourse high, and about ideas, and discouraging others from making personal attacks.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-06-22 10:03:34

‘Presumably you get something out of keeping this blog running’

That’s a good question. When I started this blog, it was a way to examine an issue that had been at the back of mind since 1998, when I first got the idea there was a housing bubble. Having lived through the disaster that was the oil states bubble in the 80’s, I recognized what to me was exuberance, especially when I moved to Arizona. But I also remembered the heartache. I mean gut wrenching, suicide provoking, life destroying economic calamity that followed that bubble. I was between jobs and had just discovered blogs. (I had another one before this blog.) So I set out to try and document the bubble, if there was one. No comments, no ads. Just me sifting through the internet, reading Moody’s PDF’s, looking for clues. What I found was far larger than anything I ever imagined.

Why I still do it? I guess the best answer I have is wanting to finish what I’ve started. I want to tell this story in my own way from where I started to its end.

‘why make statements such as “I can turn them off in a second?”

What is a blog like this? Servers, time and money spent. Time and intellectual input from individuals around the world. But the core of what I want to do doesn’t involve these comment spaces. I provide them because I have a real appreciation and fondness for the posters here. Sure they’re cranky sometimes, I’m cranky sometimes. We all get out of line somewhere. We have our train wrecks, pick ourselves up. We’ve shared our life stories, loss of jobs, loved ones. Some posters have passed away.

I read the comments to articles online. These well financed organizations have paid moderators, and I see all sorts of awful conduct. My point is, the contributors to this blog are pretty darn well behaved. Back when I spent 14 hours a day moderating and otherwise working on this blog, I could delete maybe 100 or more “offensive” comments a day. But I simply can’t do that anymore. So appreciate what you’ve got here, warts and all. Appreciate the people, even if you don’t like them, or put them on ignore. Because there will be a day when this blog ends. I just hope that will happen when the mania has ended as well.

Comment by drumminj
2014-06-22 11:19:33

Ben, I appreciate the candid response.

I also appreciate that you started and continued to run this blog. I have learned a lot from your posts, the linked articles, as well as from the motley crew that posts here.

I agree that the personal “relationships” with posters here, and ability to follow each others’ lives (well, what each of us share) is valuable. It truly is a community, and the effort you’ve put into moderation, as well as the effort you’ve put into not silencing different perspectives, is largely to be credited for that.

I don’t believe I expect anything from you, and I do appreciate the blog as is. I come and I go, sometimes turned off by the tone of conversations and political orientation of the posters here, but inevitably find myself coming back.

I’m glad that you keep this place up and running, and do appreciate the effort it takes. Having one place that documents the events, news coverage, and effects on the lives of the posters here over time is and will be incredibly valuable.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 11:53:53

“sometimes turned off by the tone of conversations and political orientation of the posters here,”

And as far as I can tell, that is the only legitimate part of your beef. Everyday, without fail, all the empty pockets, all the paid hacks, all the want something for nothing sloths, the LIEberals and corporate repukes, all of which make up the statist pigs that created this ongoing disaster, spam this place. Everyday. And every spare moment I have, I will troll them, harrass them, expose their lies and drag their names through the dirt. Why? Well why not?

As author of a useful tool like the JT extension, you and everyone is welcome to use it and should. Many claim to use it but strangely enough, they complain about the very individuals they claim to ignore. Having a few ounces of street smarts and a nose for BS precludes the need for the JTE but most just don’t have a BS detector. So use the JTE.

Comment by drumminj
2014-06-22 12:13:26

that is the only legitimate part of your beef

My “beef”, if I have one, is that folks are incredibly quick to label a poster a “shill” if that poster says something at odds with their point of view, playing the ad-hominem game.

There are places where there are bidding wars and houses sell within an hour. That doesn’t mean there aren’t places where housing demand is down, or there’s plenty of inventory. It simply means there are variations. Shades of grey.

And there’s a reason the JT extension doesn’t simply remove posts by ignored commenters. It’s because even the “annoying” (an individual assessment, to be sure) posters add something of value, and it’s often worth skimming what they have to say, and even engaging them from time to time.

An echo chamber is a boring place. Much is to be learned from having a reasoned conversation with someone who holds an opinion different from your own.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 12:18:59

My calling Prime a shill was a mistake and I apologize. Crimney what a thread. I got confused and blame it on the lack of enuf coffee and a slight hangover. Somehow I was thinking you were that guy from the other dY who posted about selling a PHX house and making 140k.

Prime you were the one recently married, I’d hate to harsh that, so please accept my apology.

Now apologies are worthless usually without some recompense. So by way of restitution, I will refrain from commenting on anything about Lola (except his alcoholism and lies) for two weeks.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 12:30:16

My “beef”, if I have one, is that folks are incredibly quick to label a poster a “shill” if that poster says something at odds with their point of view, playing the ad-hominem game.

Point of view? There is no “point of view”. There is data and truth. You understand the end result of mixing a little bit of truth with a whole lot of lies. Right?

There are places where there are bidding wars and houses sell within an hour. That doesn’t mean there aren’t places where housing demand is down, or there’s plenty of inventory. It simply means there are variations. Shades of grey.

And cherry picking those exceptions and characterizing them as the general trend is another problem here and it’s one a few of us will flush out daily.

You know whats on the menu of the shills and fraudsters, it’s no mystery to you.

Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 15:01:03

“So appreciate what you’ve got here, warts and all.”

This wart appreciates it. :)

Thank you Ben Jones

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 15:53:55

What I do see is some folks in this community trying to keep the level of discourse high, and about ideas, and discouraging others from making personal attacks

Very selectively, Personal attacks on conservatives are fine, at least you never have complained. When you attack Rio for personal attacks you might have some credibility. This is just a distraction to get the discussion away from Obama’s epic fail.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 04:56:06

Sacramento CA Housing Prices Plummet 5% During Peak Season


Imagine the velocity this develops during the off season. lol.

Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 07:48:43

state workers and the unions put a floor under housing in sacto!

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:57:50

And thousands and thousands got crushed last time even with that floor. Know why? Because they bought at massively inflated prices.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 08:11:36

Apparently not considering prices recently went negative in Sacramento.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 04:58:07

Yorba Linda, CA Housing Prices Plunge 13% YoY; Inventory Balloons 86%


Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 04:59:34

Woodland Hills, CA Housing Prices Crater 5% YoY; Inventory Skyrockets 68%


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Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 07:46:10

land, permits, fees can easily be 50/ ft before you put up a 2×4 in CA.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 05:05:36

Calabasas, CA Housing Prices Dive 17% YoY As Demand Plummets And Inventory Balloons


Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 05:08:50

Glendale, AZ Housing Prices Dive 6% YoY; Inventory Balloons 130% As Sellers Slash Prices


Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 05:10:44


Comment by Ol'Bubba
2014-06-22 05:26:06

Apparently there’s a big kickball tournament going on in Brazil.

Comment by jose canusi
2014-06-22 05:28:03

attacking British visitors

Comment by MacBeth
2014-06-22 05:32:36

To be followed by a bunch of fans committing violent acts against each other and property.

And it is us that is supposedly uncivilized.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:08:45

Lola’s entire business model is based on violent acts and shouting Goal at just the right moment.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 07:21:03

He/she is bending over and waiting for the change, we are beyond hope.

Comment by scdave
2014-06-22 07:26:52

Why the personal attack’s ?? Just brings the intellectual quality of the blog down…I scroll through HA’s endless loop posts but what purpose is served with elementary schoolyard personal attack banter ??

Attack the message ?? Fine….Attack the person or a group of persons, that just instigates a bunch of arrow throwing…Worthless information…

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 07:37:22

Lola was engaging in personal attacks long before people responded and he still does.

Comment by mikeinbend
2014-06-22 07:43:31

He has always been nice to me

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 07:57:25

TMI, I thought bend was a location.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 07:58:00

I have disagreed with Rio on substance any times, but have always had a cordial debate.

These homophobic attacks cheapen the blog. I want to ask very clearly that you guys stop. I know some very nice people who are gay; some I know from work, some I know socially. The fact that you guys consider this a reasonable way to attempt to denigrate someone is somewhere between sad (for the ignorance displayed) and despicable (for the hate displayed).

Can you please just stop?

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 08:02:19

No. It is an attack on Lola’s constant lies. Gay’s got nothing to do with it anymore than alcoholism.

He is a high net worth individual who lives in Brazil with a hot Brazilian wife sipping (guzzling) rum drinks and eating mangos.

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-06-22 08:02:37

The personal attacks are how the PTB keeps us divided, fighting amongst ourselves, and distracted from their theft. It’s how they made sure the Tea Party and Occupy movements never joined together, which would have been the PTB’s worst nightmare.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 08:04:53

No. It is an attack on Lola’s constant lies.

Then call him a liar. I don’t see how calling him a transvestite hooker says anything about lying.

Wield the truth as a weapon, not lies of your own.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 08:17:07

It is no difference than calling Amy a whore. Lola is not a real person and I see no reason to treat him/her like one.

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-06-22 09:03:41

It’s stuff like homophobia and racism that are the most effective tools for keeping the people divided, fighting amongst themselves, ignoring the theft that is going on openly.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 09:29:50

No one is ignoring the theft and people like Obama love to distract people from the theft by calling his opposition racist and homophobic.

Comment by MightyMike
2014-06-22 10:13:28

When has Obama ever false accused someone of being racist? I think that argument is a complete fabrication.

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-06-22 10:21:14

Homophobic and racist comments make it hard to recommend a blog to people at work, for instance. Therefore such comments make it harder to disseminate information about the theft to the general public. That’s an effective way to continue the theft.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 10:24:24

And you determine what is a false charge?

Comment by MightyMike
2014-06-22 10:28:34

Can you give an example of the president falsely accusing someone of racism?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 10:40:48

He acts through surrogates to have plausible deniability but his entire 2012 was built around it along with war on women, and homophobic themes http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/the_obama_campaigns_racial_slander_strategy.html

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2014-06-22 12:23:16

No. It is an attack on Lola’s constant lies.

Then do it while he’s actively posting in a given BB, not when he’s not around. The little side circle jerk you guys have going on when he’s not around is patently Bush League.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 12:33:08

Economies around the globe on the edge of implosion and you guys are arguing about queers. You’re the problem.

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-06-22 12:52:57

¨Economies around the globe on the edge of implosion and you guys are arguing about queers. Youŕe the problem.¨

And why are we arguing about queers? What do they have to do with the credit bubble, its causes, and ramifications? Nothing, of course. So why do some people keep bringing them into the conversation? All it does is divide and distract. Just as the PTB would like.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 13:56:33

Who cares why. Don’t be distracted by it.

Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 14:32:13

sheep get tied up in these useless conversations.

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-06-22 14:42:39

Sheep get herded, divided, and distracted by PTB shepherds who know the sheep buzzwords. If you want to ensure the PTB keep scamming us, then help them divide us according to color, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. If you want to stop their scam, then stop helping them divide our ranks.

Comment by MightyMike
2014-06-22 14:52:41

So the answer is no. A link is provided to another wacky right wing web site. The writer makes sure that we don’t forget the president’s middle name and tell us, “There aren’t enough ‘racially resentful whites’ to matter. They represent the tiniest fraction of the American population.” Just reading following the people who post here disproves that statement.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 15:17:31

This is dumb: Then do it while he’s actively posting in a given BB, not when he’s not around.

I do post when he’s around.

But mostly, I post early in the AM and then later in the PM. Then throughout the day on weekends or on a holiday. Why? Hmmm.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 15:21:21

Then do it while he’s actively posting in a given BB, not when he’s not around

How do you know he is not posting under another name?

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-06-22 15:22:56

Why do you attack someone for being gay, when it has no relation to the housing bubble?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 15:38:30

Why does he attack people for being racist when it has nothing to do with housing?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2014-06-22 15:41:16

How do you know he is not posting under another name?

Ever notice how he can’t resist responding to you? That’s how I know.

I do post when he’s around.

Okay, how about this? Post that crap ONLY when he’s around. And as Prime stated, call him a liar and leave it at that…

Multiple people have asked you two to stop posting homophobic slurs. Is there a reason you can’t, or should we turn to Psyche 101 to help guide the answer?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 16:03:45

Tired of political correctness and censorship

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 16:06:21

But if Lola apologizes for calling me a racist, I would stop the jokes.

Comment by Oddfellow
2014-06-22 16:50:22

Why not stop the jokes so you don’t needlessly splinter the opposition to the PTB’s theft?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 17:02:05

Because if homophobia and racism have no real definition and once you give into the political correct police you have given them a weapon to shut you down. If the Pope says the bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong is that homophobic? If I say that the policies of the federal housing organizations to encourage minority ownership helped lead to the housing bubble and should not be repeated is that racist? Why can you only make jokes about white male Christians?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 17:09:40

tried to answer but it will not post

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 17:38:47

realtors are liars. And so is Lola

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 20:46:40

LIEberal Lola defenders puhleez. You all could care a flaming thong’s worth about that shill liar. What you are really trying to do is pile on hoping to censor a point of view you disagree with and not one about gays.

Multiple people have asked you two…

Lola claims I am on ignore so I don’t need to worry.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 21:39:37

“What you are really trying to do is pile on hoping to censor a point of view you disagree with”

BINGO. And it ain’t gonna happen.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2014-06-22 22:14:18

Repeatedly insinuating a dude is a cross-dresser is your “point of view”?

I couldn’t care less what you or Dan’s opinions are. I even agree with many of them, but common courtesy in the discourse on this site doesn’t make you guys victims…

Comment by CA renter
2014-06-23 04:10:27

Thank you for your attempts here, Oddfellow, PIC, and sleepless.

The personal attacks are why I’ve not been spending as much time around here, too. It’s a shame because there are a lot of posters here to have interesting things to add to the discussion.

As Oddfellow so aptly stated, let’s not be divided amongst ourselves. We should keep our eyes on those in power (not the Democrats or Republicans — nonsensical, divisive, corrupt “Two Party” system that it is, but the corporate/banking elite who control them) and not let them get away with this theft.

Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 06:19:05

Has anyone seen the photo with this story?

Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.A.

LATIMES.COM ^ | 6/21/2014 | Los Angeles Times

Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:23:38 PM by FreeAtlanta

audia Sanchez crouched on a grassy slope alongside the railroad tracks, breast-feeding her 10-month-old daughter, Heather.

It had already been a long journey from Honduras to central Mexico, clinging with her baby to the top of a rickety train. They still had a thousand or so miles to go to reach the U.S. border.

Her 3-year-old boy, Jonah, ran up and down the empty rails with Ethan, also 3, who was traveling with his single dad, Kenny Rodriguez, from the Honduran capital of Tegucigalpa. Ethan’s mom abandoned them long ago.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3170729/posts - 11k -

Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 07:06:01

This shouldn’t have been posted here, but it should improve the U.S. soccer team in a few years.

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Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:10:49

So the kids get in, but what happens to the Dad? Hmmm, I wonder.

All you Messiah supporters who claim to be against shamnesty and open borders, there is your God.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 17:59:51

I read your post in response to mine. Good points.

I heard a little Hispanic girl (5 years old) say that her mom, dad, brother and her, had just gone to Disneyland. $100 a ticket minimum and they were on an EBT card and the SNAP program. Daddy was at work, and Mommy told me (no shame)she wanted to stay home and raise her kids for now. Wow, Disney on welfare, how cool is that.

Comment by CA renter
2014-06-23 04:13:51

Inchbyinch, perhaps you haven’t run the numbers, but many women are working for a negative income. The cost of childcare, work clothing, transportation, etc. can easily cost more than a lower-paid worker can make.

She could easily be making the best decision, given the circumstances. Also, kids with parents at home tend to do better in school and life than latch-key kids.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-06-22 07:12:32

If they do have amnesty I predict the end of consent of the taxpayers. I predict a huge tax revolt. Because the floodgates are open now.how about a massive invasion of hundreds of thousands of people a month? BP won’t stop them even if they wanted to. Such a scenario can happen soon.

We are headed to the taxpayer ultimatum soon.

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Comment by jose canusi
2014-06-22 07:32:49

Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled reproducing masses yearning to feed at the taxpayer trough.

Comment by jose canusi
2014-06-22 07:38:28

BTW, a poem is not an immigration policy.

Massive immigration, both legal and illegal, is incompatible with a welfare state.

These creatures will be the death of our liberties, what few we have left. The more crowded a country, the less free it is.

Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 07:42:20

give them a food stamp application and free trip to the emergency room for a checkup.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 07:42:45

They are willing to steal and rape too.

Comment by jose canusi
2014-06-22 07:49:10

World War Z.

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 07:50:33

We’ve discussed that poem at the base of The Statue Of Liberty being imposed into our national documents. When I correct people, they become embarrassed.

I was at a Ca state agency for 5 minutes last week. It was a mix of a trash freak show and a Spanish speaking give away. Lots of recipient new Hondas and Nissans in the parking lot. I became germ phobic as my thoughts connected to the demographics. Even saw a lady (Spanish)with a medical mask on. Scary chit. (She looked unkept, but not in a big “C”/chemo way)

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 08:02:47

If they do have amnesty I predict the end of consent of the taxpayers. I predict a huge tax revolt.

I predict that the sheeple remain sheeple. Occam’s Razor.

Comment by drumminj
2014-06-22 08:21:07

I predict a huge tax revolt.

With withholding from paychecks, I don’t see how this happens.

Bill, I know you’re all about minimizing your tax profile/liability, but that’s not always possible. How does one minimize their tax liability on a windfall of ISOs, for example? Such events pad the coffers of CAs budget, for sure.

And tax revenues aren’t even necessary. We’ve clearly seen that the federal reserve can simply monetize the debt/budget of the US federal government. Me paying less in taxes isn’t going to change policy, as far as I can tell.

So how do you see a tax revolt happening, and actually changing anything???

Comment by jose canusi
2014-06-22 08:44:15

We’ve discussed that poem at the base of The Statue Of Liberty being imposed into our national documents. When I correct people, they become embarrassed.

I was at a Ca state agency for 5 minutes last week. It was a mix of a trash freak show and a Spanish speaking give away. Lots of recipient new Hondas and Nissans in the parking lot. I became germ phobic as my thoughts connected to the demographics. Even saw a lady (Spanish)with a medical mask on. Scary chit. (She looked unkept, but not in a big “C”/chemo way)”

Yeah, they should be embarrassed. Pablum in, pablum out. But that’s part of the plan. Dumb down people with slogans and “correct think” and they’ll accept anything, including their own degradation.

I’ve seen some of these slatterns at my own local clinic and out and about in the area. I might not mind so much if I saw any real signs of desire for betterment in terms of lifestyle, intellect and education, but what I see more often is a desire for subsidized degradation, and the desire to impose that degradation on citizens of the host country.

I also have a problem with the way their children are used for fun and profit, such as the woman (and I use the term loosely) who sets up a “produce” stand in a nearby parking lot and uses her daughter (who looks to be about five or six years old) as a shill to attract retired people to buy fruit and vegetables at her stand. In the incredible heat of summer.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-06-22 08:53:59

Drumminj, the revolt need not be in the form of withholding taxes.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-06-22 08:58:19

There are so many ways to revolution. Use your imagination and figure. Many nonviolent ways of making life unbearable for statists and bureaucrats.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-06-22 09:01:07

And I made a major step in the last few months to disengage and not sanction. At a, cost but now I have a lot more freedom. And my freedom is accumulating.

Comment by drumminj
2014-06-22 09:29:23

And my freedom is accumulating.

I’m curious how you reconcile your freedom “accumulating” and the fact a significant portion of it (from what I understand) is in electronic accounts which can be frozen in an instant.

I recall that you, like me, are distrustful of retirement accounts/having tax policy between yourself and your savings, but presumably some of your “freedom” is subject to the whims of tax policy.

It’s not that I disagree with you, more that as each day goes by, I feel that any way of flouting/avoiding “the man” is simply an illusion

Comment by Bill, just south of Irvine
2014-06-22 09:54:00

Don’t stay under the dark cloud. Government is not the only entity attacking our liberty. Our own personal choices most often are self limiting

Comment by Bill, just south of Irvine
2014-06-22 09:59:08

I posted a list of things over time that increase individual liberty. The most obvious to us all: rent.

Comment by stab wound
2014-06-22 11:03:06

Bravo DrumminJ.

Unless we want to rein on the Fed and its criminal activities, nothing will change.

There are more people protesting the Fed these days but sadly they are in Germany.

Comment by rms
2014-06-22 09:00:48

“Has anyone seen the photo with this story?”

Hehe, reminds me of the movie, “Emperor of the North.”

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Comment by jose canusi
2014-06-22 10:07:55

Make no mistake, this is not a “humanitarian” crisis. It is a deliberately manufactured crisis, and those involved, whether active or passive, are committing treason, pure and simple.

This whole debacle began with the sainted Ronald Reagan, who, by signing into the law the first massive amnesty, started the chain that led to what we have today. Some say he was gulled by Teddy Kennedy and assorted other Democrats, but I don’t give an eff what his excuse was. Clinton upped the ante with NAFTA. Jorge W. Bush started to put the whole shebang on steroids.

The current suit in the White House hates this country with a passion, as do his henchmen and his wife and his chief advisor, the crazy woman who runs the whole show. And she DOES run it, she makes the decisions, it’s time people recognized it.

The goal is nothing less than the collapse and degradation of the US.

Comment by MightyMike
2014-06-22 10:20:31

You actually have a point there about NAFTA. If forced small Mexican farmers to compete with giant American agribusiness, which impoverished them and sent them trekking northwards.

Comment by jose canusi
2014-06-22 11:15:15

Exactly. Great example of what goes around, comes around, except it didn’t affect the Clintons in the least.

Many Mexicans were very happy to live in their own country, and at least make a living off their own piece of land. Instead, they’ve been consigned to the corporate fields and orchards, and the US subsidizes the labor for big ag. Washington and Big Ag tore Mexico apart, and the Mexicans are returning the favor in spades. Except they’re not paying back the correct individuals.

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 12:33:32

jose and all,
The fact Ca was only part of Mexico 25 years and has been part of the US 170+ years alludes RAZA. When I hear we stole Ca back, I want to smack the ignoramuses.

If this was Mexico’s land to date, Ca would be a sewer. Oh wait, the state in many areas is a sewer. The coastal upscale areas are still incredible in scenery and culture. Wish I was rich.
It occurred to me at 50, I took the path of least resistance, not like my family tree.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-06-22 16:16:15

Marin County is pretty much like much of Southern California used to be 50 years ago. It’s so full of white progressives that there are too few racial minorities. That is how the progressives like it. Always pretending to be for the underdog and multi culture when it is so obvious that they cannot stand living among people of color.

Comment by In Colorado
2014-06-22 13:34:26

Apparently there’s a big kickball tournament going on in Brazil.

Gee, playing football with your feet. Who would have thought of that? It makes so much more sense to use your hands.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 20:49:04

Mexico v. Brazil was awesome. What was the score again? Oh yeah, 0 to 0.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 05:11:32

Fountain Hills, AZ Housing Prices Sink 6% YoY As Prices Slide Nationally


Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:13:53

But this can’t be true. Some lying shill here claims to have made $140k by selling a house bought in 2010 and then moving into a tiny one bedroom apartment (1.5 years before he sold).

I’ll believe the lying internet shill.

Comment by Blackhawk
2014-06-22 07:46:00

A lovely small city.

Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 05:46:20


article a couple years old but still relative.

Out of the 38 million people of CA there is only about 18 million people available in the workforce. where are all the other folks?

~ 12.5 million private
~2.5 million govt
~ 15 million people employed out of the workforce of 18 million

Comment by tresho
2014-06-22 06:28:56

Colorado regulators warn RE agents about keeping listings off the market

DENVER – Colorado regulators are warning real estate agents not to keep listings away from the market in an effort to boost their pay.

The state’s hot real estate market is boosting the practice of brokers putting up signs saying listings are “coming soon,” The Denver Post reported.

The Colorado Real Estate Commission issued the warning because the practice can be bad for consumers. Because the full market can’t bid, sellers might not get as much as they could. Agents are able to take a commission from both the buyer and the seller.

Selling property off the market is OK if sellers realize the risk they’re taking, the commission wrote in its opinion issued this month. If not, that “endangers the interest of the public.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 07:05:56

More to come.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:18:23

The Stealtor game is accepted fraud and antitrust violations. There is no reason that the MLS list should not be immediately open and transparent other than this government sponsored monopoly to benefit real estate developers.

So much of todays economy is based on the SCAM model. Avoid price discovery and true knowledge at all costs. God forbid someone should offer a produce or service someone wanted at a fair price.

Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 07:58:50

u have to pay the bankers their cut to be in the game.

Comment by mikeinbend
2014-06-22 08:12:56

Some realtors in our area are notorious for doing “pocket” listings. I’ve called on some nice looking foreclosures a couple years back.
I have found these types won’t show you the place you are calling on; since you are an average Joe; they always bring up another place they have got that is more available somehow. In other words, bait and switch rip-off.

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 06:53:02

Solar for us doesn’t pencil out. Even with running the pool 3 hours a day, our SCE bill is never over $55 mo. CFLs and LEDs help a lot, but we aren’t energy pigs to begin with.

Say, has anyone done any cement overlay on their property? Happy with it?
We are looking at a Santa Rosa Flagstone Overlay with a darker tint around the pool edge. Our other option looks like Herringbone. We’re thinking of taking a class and doing it ourselves.

Much more cost effective than ripping out funky old concrete.

Comment by azdude
2014-06-22 06:58:28

I think they will require solar at some point. Ship the coal to asia.

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 07:31:34

I would assume they would use a usage metric to mandate solar on SFHs. Otherwise it reflects payola, and in this country, that just doesn’t happen. lol

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 07:01:10

Backfill that corroding scow.

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:22:37

Leave Lola out of this!

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 07:35:23

A fill-in is $6K-$8K, no thanks. (EQ regulations) We’re using solar rings (round floats with solar cells on top) to heat the pool. They work fairly well.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 08:06:49

Fill is free. One triaxle will fill a pool, driver and equipment $120 an hour, 2 hours tops.

$8k for a $300 job is another one of your “I honestly have no idea but here’s a guess” quotes.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 19:36:04

BS. I had a licensed guy quote the job. (has to be compacted and EQ safe) You’re the one full of it. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 19:38:14

HA -
Time to learn something, my dear. If we found a construction site that had to dump dirt, it would cut down on the cost, but it’s still $1,000’s. Stick to what you know, dogs and Doritos.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 08:12:42

We’re using solar rings (round floats with solar cells on top) to heat the pool.

That sounds absolutely _ridiculous_! The efficiency of a piece of floating black rubber would dramatically exceed the efficiency of a floating solar panel. Turning sunlight into electricity, just to run an electric heater, floating on the top of a pool—that’s one of the silliest overly-complicated ideas I’ve ever heard. Ridiculous!

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Comment by shendi
2014-06-22 09:43:13

Maybe it uses an air to air heat exchanger? ;)

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 15:23:22

I hope so other wise why not just let the sun warm the pool directly?

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 19:44:22

Deep end is 9 ft deep. The sun will not warm it.

Secondly, here’s the product.
It’s not like you guys know what you accuse me of not knowing. OK, I get it, legends in your own mind. Trouble is, it’s just in your mind.

My neighbor has these, and although these don’t make her pool super warm (44,000 gal pool) they brought the temperature up 7 degrees in a few warm days. Not bad!

Comment by FavelaTouro
2014-06-22 07:19:49

Solar is FSA enrollment right? Government subsidized and sponsored?

Comment by SV guy
2014-06-22 13:54:49

“We’re thinking of taking a class and doing it ourselves.”

Concrete and ‘doing it ourselves’ should never be in the same sentence.

Comment by inchbyinch
2014-06-22 20:05:26

SV guy
We have been watching youtube on how to do a stamped concrete pool deck. The decision metrics will be the cost of supplies,like the rubber molding stamp, not the labor. The equipment, if we can’t rent it, will be the deal breaker. Otherwise, we did a stamped concrete patio as a Rosa (lite pink) Flag Stone, lined with brick. That was our first home we sold in 1998. It came out beautiful!
But we were younger.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 21:40:46

Nothing like throwing good money after bad down a rat hole.

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Comment by SV guy
2014-06-23 04:48:24

That you did your own stamped patio successfully is impressive. Most would end up with a monolithic mess.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 07:11:44

Important stuff. Plan accordingly.

omment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-06-21 16:51:13

Cash-strapped municipalities are going to use large illiquid assets like houses as as cash cows as revenue from other sources dries up as the real economy (as opposed the Wall Street-Federal Reserve casino economy) dries up and blows away.

Comment by Janet
2014-06-22 07:32:39

Municipalities wouldn’t be cash-strapped if citizens weren’t hoarding money.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 07:41:04

I think most people don’t have money (currency), it is amazing how few people that even $500 for an emergency. They can only spend if they are given more credit but since they are such poor credit risks, the banks do not dare.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 07:44:05

even have

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Comment by Janet
2014-06-22 07:48:31

Many people do not have money because the few people with money are hoarding their money instead of spending it. The people with hoarded money got to build their hoard because somebody else did some spending. This is why moderate inflation is needed, moderate inflation will force selfish money hoarders to let loose of some of their hoard and put their money back into circulation where it will do some good.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-06-22 08:14:54

The people with hoarded money got to build their hoard because somebody else did some spending.

Darrell, is that you???

Comment by Janet
2014-06-22 08:19:01

The hoarder’s motto is the same as Harry Truman’s motto, and this mottos is “The buck stops here”.

Comment by rms
2014-06-22 23:11:46

“Darrell, is that you???”


Comment by iftheshoefits
2014-06-22 07:45:01

You go first, honey.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 07:54:33

BTW, many Chinese municipalities are strapped right now since they rely on land sales for a lot of revenue. The difference is the national government’s financial strength: The U.S well over 100% national debt, China around 17%, for this year U.S. deficit 2.8%, China’s deficit 2.2%, China’s economy growing 7.3% while the U.S. 2.4% (most numbers from the Economist magazine). Finally China has current account surplus of 142.5 billion while the U.S. has a deficit of 379.3 billion.

Comment by Combotechie
2014-06-22 08:03:51

China is in the financial position it is now in because up until a few years ago the West went nuts with their borrowing and spending of money and much of this borrowed and spent money ended up in China.

That was then, this is now.

I’m not saying the West is not nuts but I am saying that the West is not as nuts as it was just a few years ago, which is a good thing for the West but not such a good thing for China.

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Comment by Combotechie
2014-06-22 08:09:43

And not such a good thing for countries such as Australia that sells raw material to China and thus are indirectly dependent on the West continuing to remain nuts with their borrowing and spending.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 08:22:15

That was then, this is now.

The current account balance and the growth rate is now not then. China is moving up the manufacturing ladder, from making t-shirts, to vehicles, construction equipment, and now planes and high tech goods.

Comment by Combotechie
2014-06-22 08:28:35

Good for China. Now all they need is a market to sell into, a market that has money to spend.

Comment by Combotechie
2014-06-22 08:48:26

What China could do to keep their economy growing is to spend money they do not have to build things they do not need such as lots of infrastructure - maybe something that some people might think of as Ghost Cities.

Oh, wait …

Comment by Combotechie
2014-06-22 09:07:21

If you Wiki-up “GDP” you will learn that:

“GDP can be determined in three ways, all of which should, in principle, give the same result. They are the production (or output) approach, the income approach, or the expenditure approach.

“The most direct of the three is the production approach, which sums the outputs of every class of enterprise to arrive at the total. The expenditure approach works on the principle that all of the product must be bought by somebody, therefore the value of the total product must be equal to people’s total expenditures in buying things. The income approach works on the principle that the incomes of the productive factors (”producers,” colloquially) must be equal to the value of their product, and determines GDP by finding the sum of all producers’ incomes.”

There are three approaches to determining GDP, let’s take one, the “income approach”, an have some fun with it:

First, divide your country’s workforce into two groups and supply both groups with shovels. One group’s job is to dig holes, the other group’s job is to fill them in. Also, be sure to pay each member of each group a good wage.

Since each member of each group gets paid good money to do all this digging and filling the total income for the two groups will be large and, because we are using the income approach to determine GDP, the growth in GDP will be large. But, really, the real world net product of what was produced will end up being zero.

Comment by Combotechie
2014-06-22 09:23:07

Another way would to maybe pay one group to break glass windows and another group to replace them.

Or maybe pay one group to build ghost cities and, sometime later on, pay another group to demolish them.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine
2014-06-22 09:34:01

Frederic Bastiat’s Broken Window Fallacy. Statists gotta ignore reality.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 09:35:31

Better to waste money on infrastructure than hire an army of social workers and people to redistribute money like we do in the US. During our so called recovery we have lost 6% of real income since 2009, the average Chinese worker sees his real income rise by about 10% per year, China must be doing something right.

Comment by Combotechie
2014-06-22 09:39:56

What’s really neat about using the “income approach” in calculating GDP is this approach doesn’t take into account the source of the income, only its amount; It doesn’t matter if the root source of income is earned money or if it is borrowed money.

And since one person’s spending is another person’s income and it is income that determines GDP (if you are using the income approach) then the same amount of GDP can be produced whether the source of this income is earned money or whether it is borrowed money.

So I suppose that if one is clever enough then, as measured by the growth of GDP, a leader of a country could really and truly borrow his country into prosperity.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 09:43:51

Workers that had poor quality bikes 30 years ago, now are buying BMWs, I do not think fixing broken windows or digging and filling holes has caused that.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 09:49:10


BMW sales in China.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 10:00:13

So I suppose that if one is clever enough then, as measured by the growth of GDP, a leader of a country could really and truly borrow his country into prosperity

If you could we would have prosperity because that was Obama’s plan. We are the debt leader not China, as I showed above China is still running a large current account surplus, normally when you are growing rapidly you run deficits. But it shows that China is still producing goods that the world wants at prices the world is willing to pay. You are projecting Obamanomics on China but their economics is closer to Reaganomics and thus is successful. China needs people that can pay, that is increasingly the Chinese since their pay is up 20 fold in a few decades, they have already caught up to Brazil and soaring past it since they have not engaged in redistribution of income policies, poverty is being eliminated by economic growth not by governmental theft. I believe in taxation for the common good: roads, schools, reasonable defense spending etc. However, taxing people to redistribute to another is governmental theft and illegal if done by the federal government since it is not authorized by the U.S. constitution.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 10:30:56

Link will post soon, I am sure there is “ghost” housing in the town and a wasteful bullet train to the city:

The all-new Mk3 Mini is set to be built in China, according to City analysts. A recent report on China’s auto industry by Bernstein’s analysts says that the new Mini range and its front-drive BMW sister cars will be made at BMW’s joint-venture Tiexi plant in Shenyang, north-west China, from 2015.

Bernstein quotes local sources as saying that BMW has already allocated space at Tiexi for a big expansion in production, while the new paintshop has much greater capacity than would be needed for current production levels.

Bernstein says that building the new front-wheel-drive family of cars in China is driven by a number of factors. Firstly, demand for the Mini in China leapt massively between 2010 and the end of last year, and the country is now Mini’s fourth largest global market.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 11:08:42
Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 08:05:54

I can’t believe this because this is not a real journalist.


John Koskinen’s testimony before the House Ways & Means Committee basically came down to “The Dog Ate My Emails”, infuriating when you consider that the IRS demands all Americans keep all financial records for up to 7 years for possible review by the IRS, while the IRS was free to dispose of embarrassing and criminal evidence at their discretion. Worse, apparently emboldened by Attorney General Eric Holser’s steadfast refusal to allow the Department of Justice to open a criminal investigation into the IRS’ actions (possibly to to the DOJ’s own complicity in siccing the FBI on Obama’s enemies), Koskinen refused to even apologize for the lost emails, barely able to keep the smirk off of his face!

Then, Friday afternoon, Peter Suderman posted an article at Reason.com that proved the IRS had an ongoing contract with a private company to back up the IRS servers, including the Microsoft Exchange system used to handle the IRS emails! This article was an instant sensation and was quickly reported by the Independent Media on the internet.

Shortly afterwards the original article at Reason.com was taken down, and the URL produced a 404 “file not found” error. But by then it was too late as the original article was already duplicated at my web site and other locations. The copies spreading across the net made it very clear that the report would not be silenced, and realizing that the act of trying to erase the original was propelling the story, the original post was restored to Reason.com later that same day.

More online evidence began to surface of an ongoing contract between the IRS and a company called “Sonasoft”, whose slogan is “Email archiving done right.” The company specializes in archiving emails from Microsoft Exchange Server, confirming that the IRS mail system does not in fact simply store emails on the hard drives of the desktop computers! A solicitation at the General Service Administration’s own website (and also archived HERE) shows the IRS contracting with Sonasoft in 2008, before the period of the emails sought by Ryan and Issa. Note that the products specified relate to backing up Microsoft Exchange, the IRS’ email server! SmartProcure.us showed the IRS as being Sonasoft’s top government customer in 2010, right in the middle of the period Koskinen says the dog ate Lois Lerner’s (and six other IRS officials’) emails! And Sonasoft’s list of customers (also archived HERE) shows the IRS is still a customer to this very day!

Mr. Koskinen, your pants are on fire!

At this point, the story gets really strange! In addition to preserving and disseminating this information on the independent media, I decided that Darrell Issa’s office needed to be informed, so I printed out the hard copy of the original article from Reason.com , filled out a FAx cover sheet, and tried to FAX the information both to Darrell Issa’s district office and his Washington DC office. My FAX is built into an HP OfficeJet 8600 Pro, which I purchased just three months ago and which so far has not given me any problems. The first attempt ended when I got an error message saying that the FAX in Issa’s DC office cannot handle color. So I switched modes at my end and resent, but as soon as the cover page went through, the FAX failed, with an error message that communications had been interrupted! Oh well, Hawaiian Telco doesn’t have the best reputation anyway, so I tried again … three more times. All failed. Then I tried FAXing to Issa’s district office. Three times. Those failed!

I was unable to leave a message using the contact form at Issa’s website because my zip code is not in his district, so I went over to the reporting web form at the Committee on Oversight & Government Reform website. I filled out a report with URLs but it too refused to complete the transmission, failing with “unknown error.”

Needless to say in this age of ubiquitous NSA back-dooring of all electronics, I was a bit suspicious so many independent systems seemed to be failing at the same time, so I told my wife I was going to use the FAX at the local Office Depot, then went instead to a local postal box shop, and succeeded in FAXing the information to Darrell Issa’s offices on the very first try! Here are the transmission slips.

Issa’s District office
Issa’s DC office

So, here we are. The IRS is lying when it says Lois Lerner (and six other IRS officials at the heart of the IRS targeting of Obama’s political opponents)’s emails are lost forever and there are no backups. The IRS has an ongoing contract with Sonasoft to back up the IRS Exchange servers that covers the time period of the missing emails.

Now Darrell Issa’s office knows the IRS is lying.

And now so do you.

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Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 08:49:53

Our list of customers spans many industries.

The world’s leading companies rely on Sonasoft products to secure their operational data. Sonasoft’s award winning disaster recovery software for Microsoft Servers: SonaVault, SonaExchange, and SonaSQL is known for ease of use and reliability for email archiving, backup, recovery, replication and migration needs.

Internal Revenue Services (IRS)

Email Archiving, Email Archiving for Exchange Server
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Comment by In Colorado
2014-06-22 09:44:58

I don’t get it. Why not just back up the email servers with conventional back up software?

And wouldn’t the IRS’s servers use RAID type storage? (Maybe I’m expecting too much from them).

One technology I’m wary of (because I’ve seen it fail too many times) is backing up to hard drives using deduplication software (AKA Virtual Tape)

Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 10:34:31

“I don’t get it.”

“do you believe in the Easter bunny?”

WH on Lerner Emails: ‘You’ve Never Heard of a Computer Crashing Before?’

Guy Benson | Jun 17, 2014

Reporter Sharyl Attkisson presents a series of questions to the IRS, some of which were purportedly addressed in the Post piece, with additional queries coming from an attorney representing one of the targeted conservative groups. It’s not just Congressional investigators who aren’t buying the administration’s “who, us?” routine. Mainstream media outlets are ridiculing the IRS’ laughable story that a computer crash permanently destroyed almost two years’ worth of a powerful bureaucrat’s emails. In discussing the claim, CNN asked, “do you believe in the Easter bunny?” and MSNBC’s Morning Joe crew called it “ridiculous.” A former Information Technology specialist at the IRS agrees (via The PJ Tatler):

UPDATE - This is one of the IRS officials whose emails have also “disappeared:”

John Ekdahl @JohnEkdahl
Follow Nikole Flax, whose emails the IRS “lost”, sure visited the White House a lot.

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Comment by stab wound
2014-06-22 13:20:52

It’s not about tech failure.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 15:25:29

No it is about the epic fail of the Obama administration and the use of government agencies to suppress the normal response to epic fail.

Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 10:02:27

Does having successfully gotten a guilty client off of rape charges on a 12 year old girl disqualify you from being an advocate for womens rights?


Hillary Clinton is known as a champion of women and girls, but one woman who says she was raped as a 12-year-old in Arkansas doesn’t think Hillary deserves that honor. This woman says Hillary smeared her and used dishonest tactics to successfully get her attacker off with a light sentence—even though, she claims, Clinton knew he was guilty.

The victim in the 1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer has only spoken to the media once since her attack, a contested, short interaction with a reporter in 2008, during Clinton’s last presidential campaign run. Now 52, she wants to speak out after hearing Clinton talk about her case on newly discovered audio recordings from the 1980s, unearthed by the Washington Free Beacon and made public this week.

On the tapes, Clinton, who speaks in a Southern drawl, appears to acknowledge that she was aware of her client’s guilt, brags about successfully getting the only piece of physical evidence thrown out of court, and laughs about it all whimsically.

“He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,” Clinton says on the recording, failing to hold back some chuckles.

She then describes how she discovered that investigators had cut out and lost a section of the suspect’s underwear that they said contained the victim’s blood. Clinton brought the remaining underwear segment to a Nobel Prize-winning blood expert in Brooklyn, NY, she explained, in order to convince him to lend his heavyweight reputation and influence to her defense case.

“And so the, sort of the story through the grapevine was, if you get him interested in the case, then you know you had the foremost expert in the world willing to testify so that it came out the way you wanted it to come out,” Clinton said.

Clinton told the judge that the famous expert was willing to testify. Instead of the original charge of first-degree rape, the prosecutors let Taylor plead to a lesser charge: unlawful fondling of a child. According to the Free Beacon, Taylor was sentenced to one year behind bars, with two months reduced for time served. The second attacker was never charged.

“Oh, he plea bargained. Got him off with time served in the county jail, he’d been in the county jail about two months,” Clinton said on the recording, apparently not remembering the sentence accurately.

For the victim, the tapes prove that while Clinton was arguing in the affidavit that the victim could have some culpability in her own attack, she actually believed that her client was guilty. Taylor’s light sentence was a miscarriage of justice, the victim said.

“It’s proven fact, with all the tapes [now revealed], she lied like a dog on me. I think she was trying to do whatever she could do to make herself look good at the time…. She wanted it to look good, she didn’t care if those guys did it or not,” she said. “Them two guys should have got a lot longer time. I do not think justice was served at all.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/…-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html - 190k

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2014-06-22 15:26:29

She is married to a rapist why should this bother her?

Comment by phony scandals
2014-06-22 15:33:16

I miss the Deabeats tales of woe.

The sob stories and Robo-signed reasons the failed preasure cleaning business dude couldn’t make the payment on his $150k house he refied up to $450k.

The adult child who waited in line overnight to get into see a NACA counselor because her father had lost his job when he weed-whacked his toes off while working on the lawn of the home he had purchased at the peak and was now hundreds of thousands of dollars upside down.

Hundreds of homeowners crowd loan-modification seminar

Mortgage crisisAdvocacy group promises loan help delivered over the next five days
February 25, 2010|By Kimberly Miller, The Palm Beach Post

Desperate homeowners from across the country have made their way to the Palm Beach County Convention Center, where they lined up hours early Thursday for a chance to reduce their mortgage payments.

The Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America, or NACA, is promising mortgage modification help delivered over the next five days, remaining open 24 hours a day, and offering same-day service.

Some people have been waiting in line since midnight, hoping to be the first in the door to see a loan modification counselor.

Rena Williams flew from Los Angeles to attend the event. Her plane landed at 10:45 p.m. Wednesday and she was at the convention center by 1 a.m. About 30 people were already waiting.

“I’m dealing with One West Bank and they are not being helpful at all,” said Williams, bundled in a winter jacket, hood pulled tight around her face. “They’ve already set a foreclosure date for my home.”

Williams has a return flight to California at 6:45 tonight. She’s hoping a NACA counselor can get her a loan modification before she has to leave. Her foreclosure is scheduled for April 18.

“They can’t give me the run around if I’m here,” Williams said about her lender.

NACA Spokesman Darren Duarte isn’t surprised to see the amount of people in line this morning, even with the 24-hour sessions.

He said he’s heard people have traveled from as far as Washington state and Oregon.

At least 7,000 had registered for the marathon sessions earlier in the week. This morning hundreds of them formed a line that stretched around half the building.

Organizers wearing “Stop Loan Sharks” T-shirts walked the line, trying to answer questions before the 9 a.m. start time.

“I just want to get my mortgage lowered. I’ve been trying for a whole year and getting the run around,” said Pauline Wallerd, who drove from Ft. Lauderdale to get in line by 3:30 a.m Thursday.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-06-22 18:25:52

Hobbled housing… hobbled hobbled housing… housing is more hobbled with each passing day.

Comment by goon squad
2014-06-22 19:18:18

hobbled? try crippled and laying face down in a ditch

buy a house today, and your losses will be incalculable

Comment by goon squad
2014-06-22 19:43:50

So many debt donkeys, so many lying iiar Realtors, when does it end?

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