August 5, 2014

Lemmings All Jump In At The Same Time

The Mercury News reports from California. “The Bay Area set records in the second quarter of this year in the number of homes sold for $1 million or more as well as those costing at least $2 million. In the nine-county region, 5,734 homes sold in the April-June period for at least $1 million, representing a staggering 24.5 percent of all sales of new and existing homes and condos, according to CoreLogic DataQuick. The previous peak was 5,699 in the second quarter of 2005. ‘There’s no way we can afford to buy a home and to make it,’ said Amy Austin-Hanson. ‘Worse, rent in the Bay Area has skyrocketed. My husband and I went to the bank to try to qualify to maybe buy at least a townhouse. The lady actually laughed at us.”

“She noted that townhouses in their neighborhood are going for $600,000 to $700,000. ‘The house down the street, an older tract home, is selling for $998,000,’ added Austin-Hanson, who lives in an apartment in West San Jose with her husband, a Safeway truck driver, and their 3-year-old daughter. ‘You would think, if you spend $1 million, you would be buying a mansion. These are three-bedroom tract homes.’”

“Wendy McPherson, who manages Coldwell Banker’s Menlo Park office, said prices have been pushed up ‘by the amount of money being pumped out by Silicon Valley and the international market, especially the offshore Asian buyer.’ With large cash down payments required at these high prices, even a couple making $400,000 a year between them would have trouble raising the money, she noted. In Dublin, ‘you can’t buy a new single-family house on a 5,000-square-foot lot for less than $1 million,’ said Stephen Smiley of Meyers Research, an adviser to home builders. ‘Affordability is going to be a major issue.’”

The Associated Press. “San Francisco Association of Realtors President Betty Taisch has two words of advice for those who want to live here and think $1 million will buy them their dream house: Think again. Taisch put her professional skills to work this summer on behalf of her adult son and his family, who had outgrown their one-bedroom apartment. After three unsuccessful offers, they ended up paying $913,000 for a two-bedroom, one-bath house with an outdated kitchen, a yard that can charitably be called overgrown, and a big basement that Taisch counts as its most attractive feature.”

“‘It certainly is a milestone. It’s like, ‘Wow!’, she said of the city’s new million-dollar median. ‘Everybody thinks San Francisco is all Pacific Heights Victorians, and it’s not. There are many areas of the city that are just normal, single-family homes that are small and not posh at all.’”

From Oakland Local. “Today’s overheated Bay Area real estate market is very different for buyers than the real estate bubble of the mid-2000s. ‘There have been a lot of all-cash deals,’ says realtor Martha Hill of Pacific Union. Real estate professionals don’t know where the glut of cash is coming from, but they agree that there is no single source. ‘During the downturn, all cash was relegated to investors and flippers,’ says Hill. Now, she says, ‘I’ve seen everything.’ Some people are taking money from their 401(k)s or borrowing from family members. Hill notes that ‘it seems like the lion’s share of the all-cash offers are at the high end of the market,’ which she defines as sales over $1 million.”

“Viral Joshi, a Loan Consultant and Branch Manager for C2 Financial Corporation, sees the current competitive market as part of a predictable real estate cycle. As interest rates have ticked up, people are jumping into the housing market hoping to get in while they can still get a low rate. ‘The consumers act as one. They’re kind of like lemmings,’ he adds. ‘They all jump in at the same time.’”

The Daily News. “Southern California stood out among the tony markets for several reasons, ranging from an influx of foreign buyers into the market, an improving economy to rising home prices. For example, homes that were selling for around $850,000 to $900,000 a year ago now cost $1 million or more, said CoreLogid DatqQuick analyst Andrew LePage. ‘In the high end market we are truly seeing buyers from abroad. It used to be 75 percent of the buyers were people you knew and now 75 percent of the buyers are coming from abroad,’ said Kurt Rappaport of Westside Estate Agency. Many are from Russia and China, he noted.”

The Press Telegram. “With plans to start a family, Enrique Manzano and his wife went home shopping in Long Beach a few months ago, looking to move from the two-bedroom condo they have lived in for about three years. ‘Our budget was $450,000, and we realized that we were better off in a condo because that’s all you can afford,’ Manzano said. ‘We were looking around and noticed a two-bedroom, two-bath home going for $700,000, which is ridiculous, and we gave up. We decided that we were looking somewhere else.’”

“The couple decided to buy a home in Riverside and have opened escrow on a four-bedroom, three-bath house in a good neighborhood with good schools, and within their budget. Manzano gave advice for those in his position specifically. ‘If you want to start a family, I suggest you look elsewhere,’ he said.”

The Monterey Herald. “The average home price in Monterey County has jumped more than $200,000 from this time last year. Realtor Linda Dorris, who specializes in sales in and around Salinas, said the home prices rose too high. She said sales have stalled, largely because lower-income buyers have now been pushed out of the market. Sandy Haney, CEO of Monterey County Association of Realtors, said young buyers are the ‘first domino’ to fall in a successful housing market. Haney said the only people who seem to be selling now are those who have to move or have to sell for some reason.”

“She also feared prices increased too fast in the first six months of this year and predicted things would slow down in the second half of 2014. ‘Too much, too fast,’ she said. ‘Everyone needs to take a breath.’”

The Union Tribune. “A time-tested signal of weakness in the housing market is flashing yellow. When you compare the number of home sales (which are highly seasonal) with those from the same month a year earlier, this key measure has declined in San Diego County for nine consecutive months through June — with five at double-digit rates. Statewide trends are similar, with 11 straight months of year-over-year sales declines, according to DataQuick. ‘My sellers are in complete shock. We’re getting no calls, no inquiries. It’s like the market just went away,’ said Kimberly Dotseth, a San Diego real estate broker. ‘Buyers think prices are too high.’”

“In the first six months of 2014, there were 46,146 active listings in the county, up from 26,294 last year, the San Diego Association of Realtors reports. And listings surpassed 8,000 this month for the first time since February 2012. So tight inventory probably isn’t hurting overall sales as much as slack demand at today’s prices. Potential buyers and sellers took a lot of financial shrapnel when history’s biggest housing-market bubble burst nearly a decade ago. Healing will take time, with relapse always a real possibility.”

The Desert Sun. “Coachella Valley foreclosures rose in June as a lingering trail of distressed homes returned to their lender, a new housing report shows. The slight increase may continue into the fall, real estate analysts and loan officers said. Borrowers who had tried to avoid foreclosure through efforts under the California Homeowner Bill of Rights had delayed the inevitable, they said. ‘It’s been so long, and it’s been so much time, at this point, the people that are losing their houses have exhausted every other option,’ said Bret Cohn, a senior loan officer for Stearns Lending in Palm Desert. ‘The people who are foreclosing, who had little or no money down for an FHA loan, may had a catastrophic event, and are now losing their house.’”




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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 04:05:09

Year Over Year Housing Demand Plunging In 55 Of 58 Counties In California

http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-home-value/r_9/#metric=mt%3D30%26dt%3D1%26tp%3D6%26rt%3D4%26r%3D9%26el%3D0

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Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-08-05 11:08:55

Prices pushing higher while demand is falling is the classic symptom of a looming market meltdown.

Comment by Colorado Renter
2014-08-05 11:33:30

One would think. But I feel common sense left this market a LONG time ago. I really don’t even know what to believe anymore. But still glad I’m renting…

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 13:18:15

like we established long ago. You can ask $50,000 for your 15 year old Chevy pickup but where the buyers?

So it is with housing demand collapsing to 19 year lows….. and falling.

 
Comment by LCaution
2014-08-06 12:51:18

Certainly not true in Alameda Country. It is the rare home that isn’t sold 2 weeks after listing. Buy price over ask price still incredible. Not just a $600K house going for $800K, or an $800K house going for 1M but a 1M house going for 1.5M.

I wish I could say that any of these houses were “worth” even the ask price, but they are NOT mansions, just ordinary 2/1 - 3/2 homes in good but not great neighborhoods. (Actually, I saw one “remodeled” house in a bad neighborhood go for $800K.)

The median income in my town is over $100K, so a dual income family earning, say, $200-$250K can easily afford 1M or more depending on down payment. I assume that somebody willing to pay 1.5M for a 3/2 in the middle of a multi-housing high rise neighborhood considers 1.5M to be chicken feed.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-06 15:45:19

Yet demand has collapsed to 10 year lows and falling in Alameda County.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 04:08:17

Encino, CA Housing Prices Crater 30% YoY; Inventory Billows 36% As Demand Collapses Statewide

http://www.movoto.com/encino-ca/market-trends/

Comment by azdude
2014-08-05 07:59:10

L E M M I N G

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 08:02:49

You’re enraged. Lolz

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 04:23:04

“Study: 35% of Americans Face Debt Collectors”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101874818

This is what happens when millions massively overpay for a depreciating asset like a house. Sadly, they double their losses by financing for 15 or 30 years.

If you paid in excess of $50/square foot for a house and you can find a way out from under it, do it. Do not delay.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 04:28:04

“If you have to borrow 15 or 30 years it’s not affordable nor can you afford it.”

-Blueskye, 2013

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-08-05 21:55:41

A 30-year loan works for me at 3.25%. 38% of my loan payment goes to principal reduction. $1700 payment, $641 to principal.

PITI is $2,450. Equivalent rent = $3,100

Rent differential = $650 + Principal reduction = $641

Total benefit over renting = $1291/month. I do have to maintain the place. Stucco, tile roof, one story. Not much to worry about.

I am miles ahead of the game, not even including the $235,000 in appreciation since November 2010.

Thank you BofA for your distressed sale. And thank you Ben for the HBB.

Hard work, good timing and a little luck.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-06 04:06:52

Given your consistent propensity of unsubstantiated claims, this is just another one of your phoney posts.

 
 
 
Comment by Combotechie
2014-08-05 04:44:10

“Now, she says, ‘I’ve seen everything.’ Some people are taking money from their 401(k)s or borrowing from family members. Hill notes that ‘it seems like the lion’s share of the all-cash offers are at the high end of the market,’ which she defines as sales over $1 million.””

This is what a Price equals Value market looks like. When values get disconnected from fundamentals then they get firmly connected to price. And when this happens, when price equals value, then a rising price translates into a rising value. And once this phenom gets started it feeds on itself. And it will feed on itself and feed on itself and feed on itself until the phenom runs out of food, and this is the point when the entire phenom rapidly falls apart.

And one cannot accurately predict just where this point is located because the people who drive prices in a Price equals Value market have gone insane - they are insane people who somehow can get hold of lots of money.

And, to distort a quote of Buffett just a bit: When you combine insanity with lots of money the results can get interesting.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 06:44:20

“This is what a Price equals Value market looks like.”

Price and value are both static measures. It isn’t the price which is determining the value, but rather anticipated price appreciation (i.e. “California real estate always goes up.”)

Value = Expected present value of future price appreciation

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-08-05 20:43:30

” young buyers are the ‘first domino’ to fall in a successful housing market”

$1 million houses for the common family. The average income there is not much different from here and the average earnings not that much different. It’s a “successful market” though!

Comment by LCaution
2014-08-06 12:57:02

Median income in SF, as of 2012, is $75K, median house value is $750K. Assume both have increased considerably in past 2 years.

I saw a couple, both wearing Google t-shirts, looking at a 1.5M house. (I passed it during a walk and couldn’t resist the urge to see what was going for 1.5M in that neighborhood.)

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-06 15:51:07

Again… You can ask $40k for your 10 year old Honda Civic but where are the buyers at that price?

So it is with rapidly depreciating assets like houses.

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Comment by LCaution
2014-08-06 18:20:05

Since all these houses get sold, fast, no matter the price, there are obviously buyers. I have seen some modest price drops ($10-$30k) for houses in the hills (odd, since they have spectacular views) but they go pending within days of price drop.

If there were no demand, no buyers, these houses wouldn’t sell 2 weeks after listing.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-06 19:45:46

BS. Housing demand is at 10 year lows in Alameda.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2014-08-05 05:54:59

bama going to “invest” your tax dollars in africa today— think reassigned farms and letters offering 50 million

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2014-08-05 06:35:13

So Ca- Our neighbor lost their 17 yr old son suddenly (natural causes), and they just can’t live there anymore. The UHS bought the listing. They bought at $610K, originally listing at $580K. Now it is down to $560K, and UHS talked him into a curb appeal stucco and paint job, adding carriage lights. Good $ chasing a net loss.
(HA -3 yrs into this, our improvements vs. renting zero out. Put the claws away.)

The UHS is using this listing for a weekly open house. I hope his portable office nets him zero clients. I wish the owner a sale. The house is worth $325K in the real word.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 06:37:46

Sounds like your shanty.

 
Comment by rms
2014-08-05 07:00:45

“Our neighbor lost their 17 yr old son suddenly (natural causes), and they just can’t live there anymore.”

Losing your children is a terrible thing, but it happens to families every day and frequently to violence rather than natural causes. Why should the survivors go into a tail-spin particularly with their finances?

 
Comment by oxide
2014-08-05 10:41:39

I didn’t know that realtors buy listings. How does this work?
Not sure what you mean by “portable office.” Is that his car? Or is he working in the house every week?

Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-08-05 11:11:43

“..portable office…”

If we’re talking female REALTOR, it could mean her moneymaker. :)

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 06:41:13

The lemmings had better prepare themselves for a culling.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 06:58:24

“When you compare the number of home sales (which are highly seasonal) with those from the same month a year earlier, this key measure has declined in San Diego County for nine consecutive months through June — with five at double-digit rates.”

Not mentioned: The usual seasonal trend is for sales to increase from winter into the red-hot spring sales season. So on a seasonally-adjusted basis, the month-to-month declines would look even larger. The bottom is likely to drop out of the market this fall.

“And listings surpassed 8,000 this month for the first time since February 2012. So tight inventory probably isn’t hurting overall sales as much as slack demand at today’s prices.”

8,000 listings for a county with 1,000,000 or so households is nothing to crow about. This amounts to 8 listings per 1,000 households, or less than 1% of homes on the market. This number just HAS to go up at some point in the foreseeable future, due to a combination of the latest flock of investors trying to cash in their investment gains before the next leg down in prices, plus aging baby boomers moving from empty nests on to their next stations in life

“Potential buyers and sellers took a lot of financial shrapnel when history’s biggest housing-market bubble burst nearly a decade ago. Healing will take time, with relapse always a real possibility.”

Is it possible that reflated prices due to Fed suppression of mortgage rates might not suffice to keep San Diego home prices propped up on a permanently high plateau?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 07:06:03

To get the numbers right in the above example, one should reflect that that only 54.5% of 1,176,718 housing units in San Diego County are owner-occupied, according to a recent Census estimate.

Going with these numbers, there are about 54.5% X 1,176,718 = 641,311 owner-occupied housing units in San Diego County, of which the 8,000 on the market would comprise (8,000/641,311) X 100% = 1.2% (slightly more than 1% of homes).

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-08-05 07:27:12

‘It’s getting more expensive to finance and recoup cash from U.S. rental properties for investment firms led by Blackstone Group LP’s Invitation Homes.’

‘Bond investors demanded some of the highest yields since the market started less than a year ago to buy securities backed by the landlord’s houses in a $684 million deal today. The offering included $59.3 million of junior securities paying a yield of 450 basis points, or 4.5 percentage points, more than a borrowing benchmark, a person with knowledge of the matter said.’

‘The rising costs, which were also seen last month by Silver Bay Realty Trust Corp., may combine with higher home prices to reduce the appeal of the rental-home market to the institutional investors that have sought to transform the business from an industry dominated by small, local landlords.’

‘Bond investors are backing off the securities as competing investments such as high-yield corporate bonds cheapen. Holders sought bids through dealers on about $80 million of existing rental-home notes in widely marketed auctions Friday.’

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 20:26:53

Only down 1.33% today…’tis a mere flesh wound.

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-08-05 21:40:14

….but you get a 1% dividend! LOL. CLNY is a much better deal at a 7% annual dividend. They own much more than houses…..

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-06 04:08:47

And how long before Colony’s board is indicted for cooking the books?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Bobby Mac
2014-08-05 08:06:42

Ben’s blog is great for my weight loss. Every time I read a story about San Fran or hear a realtor quote, my stomach gets sick and I want to puke.

Comment by Bluto
2014-08-05 10:48:49

Me too, was born and raised in S.F. and not so long ago a decent job was enough to get by OK there, large parts of town were blue collar and buying a place was an option for many. The million dollar prices for small mediocre houses are mind boggling, property taxes alone would run about $900/mo…

Comment by Jingle Male
2014-08-05 21:41:57

My son wants to buy a house on the peninsula. Tough sledding. His plans are on hold while he practices the “Bill in Irvine” plan. Bank everything.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 21:44:06

We bought in the Bay Area in the mid-1990s. I don’t believe prices have been reasonable relative to incomes and rents for any significant period of time since.

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Comment by Jingle Male
2014-08-05 22:10:15

You are right Whac.

I asked a good friend who bought in 2000 what he felt going into the purchase. His answer “I wanted a house for my family. I just decided to make a go of it.”

He says it has worked out on all counts: Home for the family, large financial gain in equity, and in control of his own destiny.

I related the story of my uncle who purchase in Menlo and when he passed away, 1986, no one could believe the house sold for $350,000. It just sold for over $1,400,000 last year and no one can believe that either.

Will it be different this time?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-06 04:10:20

Again…. Substantiate your claims.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2014-08-06 22:48:17

I posted the link to the house last time . how many times do I have to school you? It gets tiring! HA.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-07 04:06:23

Prove it J._Fraud.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2014-08-05 08:09:48

This reminds me of 2006, when I had lunch with some co-workers and one told the story of some married friends of his, both doctors, who were unable to afford a house in San Francisco. I said “when two doctors can’t afford to buy a house, then something’s really wrong.” The response was the exasperated sigh and gentle tone of voice — like one might use with a senile old person losing his faculties — that I got then, and still get, all the time: “[Sigh.] Snake charmer, everybody wants to live there.”

How anyone could think that this state of affairs is OK, or normal, or a good thing for the area, state or country, is beyond me. And a realtor helps her son buy a dilapidated 2/1 for $913,000 where the most attractive feature is the basement? Is he going to grow pot down there? Presuming 20% down, what would the monthly nut be on that house, including taxes and insurance?

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-08-05 10:14:34

The only reason a person would pay that much for such a dump is they expect it to increase in value significantly. And almost no one thinks anything is wrong. But this is the crisis. It won’t be when people start walking away from the loans, or saying “they should never have loaned me that much money.” It’s right now.

Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-08-05 11:18:01

What with the recent meltdown and subsequent re-bubbling of prices, I’m not sure what will ever break the “real estate makes you rich” psychology. Look at how awful things were, and yet we’re hearing the exact same tripe this time around. Makes me wonder if we will see the exact same thing again. I mean, are fundamentals ever going to take hold? It seems the Fed is willing to destroy the country before they ever allow the market to determine price and value.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 20:32:37

“And almost no one thinks anything is wrong. But this is the crisis.”

One way I can tell that I am not a true Californian, even after living here for almost two decades now, is that I just don’t buy into the One True Faith’s belief in perpetual California real estate price gains. I’ve completely given up on trying to educate these people at this point, as the Fed’s housing market reflation efforts have served to convince the faithful beyond any level of reasonable doubt that buying a home in California is the sure path to riches.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-08-05 21:16:07

‘I’ve completely given up on trying to educate these people’

Some people would rather sit around in the bits bucket or elsewhere arguing about global warming and are ignorant of what’s coming. Some will profit mightily when the masses get gobsmacked by it all. I worry about the posters that will be saying here, “oh crap, I lost my job.” But I feel like I’ve done everything I could.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-08-05 21:25:49

“…arguing about global warming…”

Which HBB poster is it who constantly likes to bring up that topic? Must be some racis’ leftist progressive communist statist.

 
 
 
Comment by LCaution
2014-08-06 13:09:23

Expect an “increase in value”? The other possibility, which I am beginning to believe, is that some people earn so much, have so much wealth in stocks, etc. that 1M is to them what $100K or $300K is to somebody else.

In other words, 1 million dollars is to me a whole lot of money. To Warren Buffet or Bill Gates, it is not even a decimal point.

Related: I don’t remember where I saw it, but the influx of people into the Bay Area during the past couple of years exceeds by a very large number the number of new houses being built. So if there are more people looking for homes than there are homes to sell, prices are bound to go up. Simple supply and demand.

And somebody who buys a house for $1M isn’t going to sell it for less than $1M 5, 10, 15 years from now (assuming job hasn’t been lost, income is stable, etc.). So it seems to me that these sales set a new floor for future buyers.

Yes, I know there are still people under-water on their mortgages and that there are still foreclosures. But under-water mortgages are only a problem if one has to sell; they’re not if one is still living comfortably in the house and can wait 5 or 10 years to get clear (and housing prices in the Bay Area do seem to be exceeding the highs before the crash which was only 6 years ago.)

As for foreclosures, they don’t help ordinary home buyers because they are sold sight-unseen at auctions.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-06 15:49:43

“But under-water mortgages are only a problem if one has to sell;”

Did you really think you were going to drop this big fat turd of a lie without getting called out on it?

And I must ask; Do you think they should wait even longer to default to realize even larger losses?

And Just how many of the 4.4 million excess empty and defaulted houses in California are located in bay area?

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Comment by taxpayers
2014-08-05 10:23:23

Sum Ting Wong
you made me do it

areas w gays are up
they’re packing them in

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-08-05 13:53:11

Temecula, CA Housing Prices Plunge 7% YoY At Peak Of Selling Seaosn; Inventory Balloons 97% As Housing Demand Evaporates Nationally

http://www.movoto.com/temecula-ca/market-trends/

 
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