Snapshot: You Can Hear The Hiss Of Air Escaping
The Orlando Sentinel reports from Florida. “During Christmas week last year, Robert Cook and his wife, Karen, rejoiced when they learned they had qualified for a government-sponsored mortgage reduction that would help them keep their home. More than eight months later, they still have no mortgage deal, and they fear they will lose the Altamonte Springs townhome they purchased in 2006 unless they can cut their principal and get out of their adjustable-rate mortgage. ‘You weren’t dealing directly with the state of Florida,’ said Robert Cook, 74. ‘You were dealing with this group that only answers the phone. If they had just acted interested, that would have been doing good. None of them seemed to understand — not one person.’”
“The couple are now able to handle their monthly payments of $416, an amount that doesn’t include property taxes, condominium fees or insurance. But Cook said he believes it’s inevitable the payments on their adjustable-rate mortgage will increase to the point they cannot afford them. Cook said it’s hard to imagine that he might eventually lose his home while the state faces the prospect of tapping only a portion of foreclosure-relief funds. ‘It’s almost inconceivable … but it could happen,’ he said.”
The Tribune Live in Pennsylvania. “Pat Cupido and her husband refinanced their home in Jefferson Hills 11 years ago to pay off debts and help their daughters financially. But they couldn’t keep up with the $1,800 monthly payments when Cupido lost her civilian job with the Army Reserve. At one point, she said, her attorney asked about the federal Home Affordable Modification Program. ‘‘Billions of dollars were given to the banks to help people like her,’ Cupido, 71, remembered her attorney telling the representative.”
“But Cupido was disappointed to hear that the program known by its acronym, HAMP, couldn’t help. She and her husband, living on Social Security, did not qualify because their income is too high. A new servicer took over Cupido’s loan on Sept. 1. ‘I’m very pessimistic about everything,’ she said.”
The Jackson Hole News & Guide from Wyoming. “Of all the homes in Teton County, 43 percent are vacant. Half the jobs in Teton County are in retail or in hospitality — the two lowest-paying sectors of the county’s economy other than mining, which employs three people. The high vacancy rate of homes in the county is the result of second-, third- and fourth-home owners, said the state’s top economist, Wenlin Liu. For the state as a whole, only 15 percent of homes sit vacant. Even among rental units, 19 percent of Teton County’s have no inhabitants, compared with the state average of 8 percent.”
“Contrary to popular belief, within the borders of Teton County, private property covers only 2.2 percent of the land.”
The Salinas Californian. “Home prices in Monterey County took a tumble in July, with the median price for a single-family home falling 7 percent, according to the Multiple Listing Service. The market is still very active and the supply is increasing, which could be a factor in pricing pressures. But demand also remains high. Given the bleak picture of income levels needed to buy homes, who are these buyers? ‘Cash buyers are edging out those who would opt to putting down a 5 percent down payment,’ said Sandy Haney, executive director of the Monterey County Association of Realtors.”
“Many of these cash-in-hand buyers are off-shore, particularly from China, Haney said. The attraction is first and foremost Chinese citizens cannot own property. They like the United States, and want to eventually have their children grow up here. Call it a pre-immigration move.”
The Strait Times on Singapore. “Mr Chia Boon Kuah, president of the Real Estate Developers’ Association of Singapore called for more dialogue between developers and the Government as the industry goes through ‘challenging times.’ He pointed to the swelling stock of unsold units sitting on developers’ balance sheets. Banks, which give out loans to developers and home buyers, are increasingly concerned, too.”
“Mr Alan Cheong, research head at Savills Singapore, said that while developers are concerned about how a slowing property market could affect the economy, the Government’s primary concern is to ensure financial prudence among borrowers. ‘The measures could have been calibrated at too high a level,’ noted Mr Cheong. ‘Singaporeans are put off by the total debt servicing ratio and foreigners are not bringing in the money because of the additional buyer’s stamp duty. Money is flowing out.’”
The Central Queensland News in Australia. “Chris Allen from Gladstone Designer Homes said the past 18 months have been the hardest he’s experienced in 15 to 20 years. He said high land prices combined with a large number of new investment houses built during the 2011 housing boom led a housing glut and a drop in approvals. But now investors have deserted Gladstone and land has dropped $60,000 from an average of $260,000. ‘Now that the land has come down, it’s made it more affordable and people can do a nice house for under $500,000,’ he said.”
“Gladstone president of the Urban Development Institute of Australia, Andrew Allen said property prices had corrected from an all-time high to a more sustainable level. ‘We saw that demand level off and supply caught up to demand, and in many cases particularly in the apartment and townhouse market, supply overtook demand,’ he said. ‘In terms of housing approvals, the reason that they dropped so much was that they were coming off a very high base. 2012 and 2013 saw an enormous number of investment housing approvals. That investment housing has slowed dramatically.’”
The Telegraph in the UK. “The summer is over for the UK’s frenzied house price growth as new data shows a drop in demand for the first time since January. The pace of growth has been ferocious over the last 12 months, particularly in London and the south-east, boosted by domestic and overseas wealth and a lack of supply. London’s performance has rippled out into the southern regions, as families move out into the home counties, cashing in on their London homes and searching for value for money.”
“‘London seems most vulnerable to any downturn and certainly the bubble (if there was one) was in the capital. I think you can already hear the hiss of air escaping,’ said Henry Pryor, high end estate agent. ‘The volume of emails I am getting from estate agents advising of price reductions or of ‘motivated sellers’ is what we saw when the market last turned.”
“Home prices in Monterey County took a tumble in July, with the median price for a single-family home falling 7 percent, according to the Multiple Listing Service.”
falling housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is positively bullish.
down we go
a mort at age 74? bought in 2006 the sweet peak- in July 05 there were so many 4sale signs how could you miss it?
saved by gov program=bama gonna make the honkey pay
It’s too easy to blame things on “the government,” but these FB’s have no one to blame but themselves.
The Cooks say they’ve spent hundreds of hours dealing with call centers and state-appointed housing counselors
Really? I only needed 100 seconds to figure out that they were toast. I spent 30 seconds googling, and 70 seconds skimming the Florida Hardest Hit FAQ to find this (link to PDF below):
——- FAQ ———
“Homeowners must meet all criteria within each category to qualify. However, homeowners who meet all eligibility criteria are not guaranteed approval for UMAP/MLRP assistance; homeowners can still be denied eligibility by their mortgage company…
This assistance cannot exceed $25,000 total, and any past due amounts over and above the $25,000 are the responsibility of the homeowner…All funds will be disbursed by Florida Housing directly to the loan servicer on behalf of the homeowner.”
—————–
This explains everything in the article. My suspicion is that Florida had so many FB’s (24000 apps) that they had to cap the cash at $25K each. Problem is, Florida crashed so hard that FB’s were far more underwater than that. No bank is going to agree to a refi or cram down for a mere $25K.
the Cooks said they had been assured by their lender at the peak of the market that they could always refinance their mortgage.”
Did they get that in writing? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
[The letter] stated that they had been “deemed eligible” for the principal reduction program as long as their lender, JP Morgan Chase, approved the deal.”
And their lender didn’t approve the deal. The End.
Ditto for the other FB anecdotes who had jumped through “all” the hoops. No, they only made it through the Florida hoops, not the lender hoop.
“But records show that Chase, which is participating in the state’s Hardest Hit program, declined to restructure the Cook’s interest-only mortgage.”
Per Zillow, mid-grade townhomes in Altamonte Springs sold for $150-$200K at peak, and are now worth $75-$100K. That’s more underwater than $25K. Not worth it for the bank.
The couple are now able to handle their monthly payments of $416, an amount that doesn’t include property taxes, condominium fees or insurance. But Cook said he believes it’s inevitable the payments on their adjustable-rate mortgage will increase to the point they cannot afford them.
You already have an I/O ARM rock bottom mortgage. You never paid a penny of principle. If I may repeat an HBB Q: Refinance into what? And you “believe” that it’s “inevitable” that your payments will go up?
Halfway to the 2017 deadline for spending the money, the state has distributed a third of its share and lags most other states in getting the money into homeowners’ hands. Officials with the housing agency said Florida has been more conservative than other states in setting guidelines for mortgage-relief funds, so other states have been able to distribute more of their money.
Not the fault of the state. The state can’t hand out money if the bank rejects the applications.
“The most frustrating thing about these programs run by the government is that you can’t talk to anyone who knows what they’re talking about,” said Kelly Cook, who owns a travel agency.
There isn’t much to know, except to talk about how toasted you are. Kelly Cook ought to know that, since she “owns a travel agency.” And evidently she was smart enough to incorporate that business to LLC, or else that travel agency could be seen as unemcumbered assets above $5000 which would have disqualified them entirely. Yeah, that’s in the FAQ too.
(PDF for Hardest HIt FAQ):
http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.flhardesthithelp.org/rfv-77.aspx&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=FP8OVI-9PNWxggTmwoH4CQ&ved=0CB8QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNEPevT0Ln9E8qYk42WnwgjRpx1zyA
Most all of the Phoenix area is still underwater even though the rain stopped. They never should have bought in the last 10 years.
And they are now sinking deeper.
Crater.
solution-get the gov out of the housing business
They’d be better off giving the place back, renting a hovel and buying some LTC insurance.
Even a hovel costs more than $416/month in rent. I wouldn’t surprise me if they have everything packed and they are just milking the system until they are kicked out.
When I was househunting I saw a place like that. The seller’s agent was serially submitting bogus short sale offers just to buy time from the bank, 30-60 days at a time. I think they kept it going for a year before they were kicked out. Judging from what I saw of the residents, staying in one place for a year was somewhat of a victory.
No not really…. Not at all Donk. We’re seeing rents all over the map. As little as $200/month.
‘Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc , which operates two casinos in Atlantic City, joined the list of casino operators in New Jersey that have filed for bankruptcy. Trump Entertainment, which filed for bankruptcy in 2009 and emerged the following year, said it has about 2,800 full-time employees and about 1,800 seasonal employees.’
‘The company, founded by Donald Trump, listed assets and liabilities of between $100 million and $500 million and said it owed about $286 million to Carl Icahn-owned funds.’
I wonder if Trump will be on the Hannity show today telling us how we should be running the world or whatever?
Ya gotta hand it to Trump. He knows how to startup and bankrupt massive business enterprises over and over, yet still get the banksters to hand him more capital to do it again.
The modern snake-oil salesman of our day…
He’s is a realtor after all.
‘Ali and Mariluci Sleiman wanted to buy a house. The couple, who run a day care service inside their first-floor rental apartment, had outgrown their space in Taunton, Massachusetts. They also wanted to avoid answering to a landlord who might complain about 10 little kids running around all day. They were “desperate to buy a home,” Ali told me. And with good credit and $46,000 in joint income, they hoped they wouldn’t have a hard time getting a loan. So they were disappointed when the bank rejected their application, and then when a local credit union did too.’
‘A recent poll found that 76 percent of Americans considered homeownership “necessary” to be a member of the middle class. When I asked the Sleimans why they wanted to move, their answer was as emotional as it was practical. “This is a good property, but it’s not ours — it’s a rented home,” Ali Sleiman told me. “It does not fit our needs. Or our dreams.”
“An overly tight credit box means fewer individuals will become homeowners at exactly the point in the housing cycle when it is advantageous to do so,” Goodman and her co-authors wrote in their study, published in The Journal of Structured Finance. “Ultimately, it hinders the economy through fewer new-home sales and less spending on furnishings, landscaping, renovations and other consumer spending.”
‘It seems, in other words, as if it might be time for the revival of the subprime-lending industry.’
‘fewer individuals will become homeowners at exactly the point in the housing cycle when it is advantageous to do so’
Advantageous to whom?
And the Washington Post, no less:
‘Many renters who want to buy a home might not even try to because they fear that they won’t qualify for a mortgage, researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York concluded Monday after analyzing the results of a consumer sentiment poll.’
‘The renters on average said they had a 63 percent chance of moving during the next three years, but only 44 percent would buy a home if they moved. Those who were reluctant to buy cited traditional reasons, including not enough savings or income. But a sizeable portion (41 percent) also said they were worried that their credit scores would not pass muster.’
‘The results of a separate Fannie Mae survey released Monday also found that people are generally reluctant to buy. Of the 1,000 renters and homeonwners polled in August, 64 percent said it is not a good time to buy — tying the low seen in November 2013. (The poll has been conducted monthly for about four years.) Fannie Mae’s chief economist, Doug Duncan, said consumers are too worried about wages and the job market to commit to a home purchase.’
‘The happy news coming out of the New York Fed’s research is that most of the people surveyed, renters and homeowners alike, say that a home is a solid financial investment.’
There was a headline story on KSL news in Salt Lake last night about the trend for millenials to prefer renting in a major way. I don’t mess with linkys but it would be easy to find and link here for someone who does.
The way it was presented was roughly equal parts social and economic phenomenon. And this is on KSL even, one of the biggest local mouthpieces for the real estate industry that I’ve ever seen.
Salt lake has a higher percentage of homeownership than the country at large, probably due to the emphasis on families. If they can’t even convince Salt Lake any more…
The chart on this link might explain a few things in terms of who can afford to purchase - surely not most Americans!!
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/incomes-fell.png
An overly tight credit box?
The real estate market hasn’t seen an overly tight credit box in years.
“considered homeownership “necessary” to be a member of the middle class.”
Ah yes. It’s the owning of a house and not the income and “saved money” that makes one a member of the middle class. Free admission to the club the day you sign the papers. The NAR lives rent free in people’s empty skulls.
Well maybe you need to buy a cheap mobile home and get it tied down in deep cement. Cause that’s all you can afford.
—— Cook said it’s hard to imagine that he might eventually lose his home while the state faces the prospect of tapping only a portion of foreclosure-relief funds.
“The couple are now able to handle their monthly payments of $416, an amount that doesn’t include property taxes, condominium fees or insurance. But Cook said he believes it’s inevitable the payments on their adjustable-rate mortgage will increase to the point they cannot afford them.
Let me get this straight: he can afford his mortgage payment, plain and simple, but he needs “relief” because he was stupid enough to sign up for an ARM when interest rates were at 40-yr lows?
Wow. Just…. wow.
Hmmm …. the masters of the universe might have to do something or they will have to mop the floors and scrub the toilets in their Jackson Hole mansions themselves.
I’m sure that the problem can be solved by opening a bunch of mobile home parks in the next county and busing the serfs to their menial jobs In Jackson.
‘I’m sure that the problem can be solved by opening a bunch of mobile home parks in the next county and busing the serfs to their menial jobs In Jackson.’
Why no ‘Occupy Jackson Hole’?
Did illegals ever participate in Occupy Wall St?
There really isn’t any ‘next county’ nearby, except for Teton Co. ID. And that’s not cheap any more either. Nice over there, though.
Teton Pass can be a real doozy in the winter.
Stay healthy, keep cash and git ready.
deep thought -the average pe in the roaring 20’s was 11
that’s in the good years
These sagas are priceless. One “I lost my ass on this damn house” story after another.
The grim reality is you lost your ass if you bought a house any time in the last 15 years. You may not know it yet but you lost it anyways.