Vanguard finally gave me the feature of looking at my ten year investment performance. My personal performance with all my Vanguard funds (as a whole) exceeded the “buy and hold” of any single fund on the last ten years. Yes I do have a money market fund in the mix and a short term TIP ETF.
How about 9.99% average annual gain over the last ten years despite the depression between 2008 and 2011.
The key is dollar cost averaging of course.
Has anyone’s stucco box appreciated 9.99% per year the last ten years? That would be 257% of the original value.
Bill knows the key to getting better. Whether it is getting richer or thinner or more educated whatever. It is this: have a plan and put one foot in front of the other executing that plan over and over and over day in and day out. Along the way assess and reassess with objective feedback. That is how you get better. That is it.
All who want to get rich, what is your plan and how are you executing it?
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Comment by Skroodle
2014-09-20 09:54:54
I’m trying to get job working on a government contract.
Comment by Shillow
2014-09-20 10:27:10
Try is not a plan. Neither is hope. And Bill works his butt off from what I can tell.
Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-09-20 12:12:08
I joshua-treed (on “ignore”) that guy screwballs or whatisname.
Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-09-20 12:56:05
Thanks. That is essentially my methodology. While I’m mostly dollar cost averaging and will keep doing so, a couple times a year I read up on strategies.
Here are some I picked up:
a) Diversify among your tax avoidance strategies. This makes living in an unfree world more tolerable. And if I was going to pick California as my permanent retirement spot I would first shift to municipal bonds, lots of investment wines, convert all my traditional retirement to a Roth IRA, and have plenty of US Treasuries. California FTB can go pi$$ up a rope.
b) Take money off the table by realizing long term gains of your best performing assets. Even if you don’t need the money, it’s a great idea to realize such gains when your asset class is 7 percentage points or more above your comfortable asset allocation percentage. This allows you to follow W. Buffet’s advice: “Be fearful when the others are greedy, be greedy when the others are fearful.” These days I am happy to sell my big gains on a whim: I sneezed this morning, therefore I’m selling 75 shares. That type of excuse.
I don’t like options. But I think it’s fun to buy individual stocks. My screeners are producing nothing. And they will continue to produce nothing until we get a much needed 50% haircut. Another 2009. My guess is that the first industry to go to the Davey Jones Locker is staffing companies. And I will scoop up shares of my former company stock greedily when it’s at my buy price (below $16).
Everyone has their own values and best wishes and teams. Won’t list my several dozen stock watch list here but I look forward to the day of trading a pile of money for some personal bet on my favorites.
Your most important investing decision of the last ten years may have been to ignore people who told you to buy a home. (I made the same decision!)
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Comment by Ryan
2014-09-20 11:09:43
Which funds are people looking at now considering the markets current condition and likely forward direction? Surely people aren’t long S&P right now?
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-09-20 11:19:08
Surely people aren’t long S&P right now?
Haven’t you figured out by now the stock market is guaranteed to always go up from now on? Get with the program!
Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-09-20 12:15:25
I’m not long or short on anything. Dollar cost averaging is neither. Although my cost basis is 38% below the current NAVs on my funds.
Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-09-20 12:37:01
It does not make sense for an investor to be long or short on any fund. Trader? Maybe. At a minimum, small cap stocks tend to do well during Democrat takeover of government. Blue chips do well under Republican administrations. visgx versus vfiax is 22% versus 18% annual gain. In view of that, I have realized gains two or three times out of my small cap stock fund and finally reduced the amount going in by $50 per month. Switched that $50 to the VGSIX (REIT) fund.
A good fund in the long run versus VFIAX is VTCLX, the tax managed admiral fund. I hope not to tap that for another ten years, but I lost my aversion to realizing long term gains when I need the money.
I used to hate realizing gains in stock funds because they would seem a setback. Then a few years ago an idea came to mind that with all the asset classes I have, when I need money, why not realize a long term gain in the best performing asset in any asset class?
Hence I sold some gold in 2010 and some of the small company stock fund a year or two ago. And hence now selling off my former company’s stock. Hopefully will get a nice enough compensation increase at my company January 1 2015 so that this bleed off of equities will slow.
“A colleague told me then a man in his 40s should own a house!”
Many years ago I read a piece where a fund manager said, “If you don’t own your home outright and have some money tucked away to keep the wife comfortable then you weren’t a real investor.”
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Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-09-20 20:54:57
Ha! Funny how some people seem to want to project their values on how others should copy their values. The world would be a boring place and collectivism would thrive if everyone was the same. Thank goodness we are not. But people keep denying that. Like I should be married and have kids graduating from college by now or even be a grandfather! According to some people. They really get all twisted that I just have not followed the same path they did.
I don’t get it. I live in 32828 and the market has slowed, as in houses sit longer before going under contract but things are still selling. Every time a house comes up for sale in the subdivision we live in (Avalon Park) the asking prices are higher and they still go under contract.
I am waiting for this next downturn to happen before buying but WTF! Where are all of these people coming from that can support a $400k mortgage? Not everyone who works for Lockheed, Siemens or UCF makes that much money or decide to live in this neighborhood and those are the only major employers in the neighborhood.
Granted, two things: 1. I haven’t seen the ask vs. sell price and 2. It seems like things stay pending for quite some time.
How were prices there in 2010-11? Did they go up to a stupid level since then because of the deliberate govt intervention? We are going back to those same prices in the same or sooner time frame, then we’ll keep going lower.
Why can’t you wait a year? At this point what does it matter?
Yes, prices have been going up dramatically over the last year. I really can’t understand these people? One realtor tried to tell me that prices were going up a $1,000 a day. I politely explained to her what a bubble and a mania were and that if the houses she was selling for $180k were in fact worth $545k in a year then she should have plans for another line of work because nothing would sell, period.
I can wait, there really is no rush, I am just getting tired of waiting. We rent a house in the neighborhood, we are a growing family though and the pressure from my better half is mounting. She does understand the economics and what will happen because we went through this before in 2007. We didn’t buy in the last crash because I thought it was going to keep dropping.
We didn’t buy in the last crash because I thought it was going to keep dropping.
I get it. I hear ya. Here in PHX area same thing, but I think we are in a place now where the turn back to a market with falling prices is undeniable. I was where you are 6 months to a year ago. Watching prices rising for no reason other than government subsidizing flippers and hedge funds. But they cannot repeal the laws of gravity and 2+2 will always equal 4 no matter how they try to spin it. The next leg down is back underway.
If prices went back down to the 2010-2011 prices again would you then buy?
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Comment by Ryan
2014-09-20 12:20:03
I don’t know to be honest. I keep reading the fear porn over at ZH and other places and everybody is starting to say the bottom is really going to drop out this time. Though, they are the same people that say the only thing to buy is gold and the end times are nigh too.
I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. So we will likely look at buying if prices do recede back to that area.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-09-20 13:02:42
The wild cards are:
1) whether government real estate price supports will last forever, or will they eventually end;
2) whether the government will succeed in keeping real estate prices propped up, even if that is their intent.
Answer those two questions successfully and invest accordingly, and you can make yourself a wealthy man.
Comment by "Auntie Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-09-20 13:17:45
There are some places where prices never became sane. I think that will rectify itself in the repop.
Comment by Shillow
2014-09-20 14:09:16
The repop!
I like that the REPOP.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-09-20 16:39:51
You’d think so. For one thing, the myth that rich Californians are driving prices skyward is pretty much dead as a doornail at this point in the Housing Bubble.
Selfishly having lots of fun staying on top of my finances and nutrition. Knowing I could easily buy 5 new models of my car with my cash and T-bills.
You know, every once in awhile I pi$$ off someone when they pin me down and ask if I own a house and then I tell them no. I can tell they are pi$$ed by their reaction.
The question I should ask them is “why should I own a house?”
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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-09-20 16:42:17
The reactions that I get are normally a knowing look suggesting I don’t have a clue, or a generous offer to educate me in the errors of my thinking.
I can’t recall having ever met a Californian who thought it might be more financially prudent to not buy a house and rent one instead.
I guess yellen was telling all the poor people to get rich this week.
Is it even possible for everyone to be rich? Do we have enough resources for everyone to consume like mad?
Another thought crossed my mind about the availability of resources. Is it just one big pie and everyone has a chunk of it? Does it mean that these rich people like buffet actually take away resources from other people?
I know in CA there are certain industries that you will never get rich cause you cant even compete. There are so many regulations out there that there is no way you could get rich in certain fields.
Seems like some of the people getting rich are the ones using shareholders as a stepping stone.
Another way I see of getting rich is coming up with a great idea.
Is it possible to get really rich by working a 9-5?
IMO, we’ve slow walked into a really bad situation. We need capitalism to prosper, and we got none in the housing market, for one:
‘Home loans to lower-income Americans are dwindling as Washington regulators and major banks continue to haggle over who pays when riskier mortgages go bad. Federal Housing Administration loans, given to borrowers with weaker credit scores and requiring small down payments, plummeted 19 percent in the nine months ending June 30 compared with a year earlier.’
“The government is worried about access to credit. They’re looking at volume numbers, and they know it’s a serious problem,’ said Brian Chappelle, a former FHA official and partner at Potomac Partners LLC, a consulting firm for lenders in Washington.’
Why is this the governments problem? Because they took over the entire industry and won’t let it go.
‘Back in 1999, the average household made $56,895 in today’s dollars. That number took a hit when the dot-com bubble burst and never reached the same high note again. It plummeted once more during the Great Recession and has slinked lower through the recovery. That middle-of-the-road household is now making $51,939. In other words, for the past 15 years, a growing economy has failed to translate into rising incomes.’
‘Summers notes that continually blowing asset bubbles and trying to staunch the bleeding when they pop is not exactly a brilliant macroeconomic policy. “A strategy that relies on interest rates significantly below growth rates for long periods of time virtually guarantees the emergence of substantial bubbles and dangerous build-ups in leverage,” he wrote. His big idea is just to have the government run deficits in perpetuity, supplying the demand that the great swath of American middle-income households can no longer supply. Improving worker skills and boosting exports would help, too.’
I’ll say it again; these people are freaking idiots. They shouldn’t be running a lemonade stand. But we just let them take over the majority of the economy and run it into the ground. Then the media sits around all butt-hurt and broke and wonders how it happened.
yeah it seems they keeping making mistakes over and over again and just printing money to put bandaids on things.
No one is ever held accountable and they just pass the buck to the next guy.
Its like barney frank. He basically helps destroy the economy and then cnbc has him on as a contributor for advice, wtf?
Its like they let wall street party for a long time and then when sh@t hits the fan they are the backstop.
Getting back to getting rich . I’m just not seeing the opportunities out there in a lot of fields. There are like 100,000,000.00 people who cant even find a job.
There is no opportunity if you beleive there is no opportunity. It won’t be 9-5, but success in any field rarely is. If you are comfortable, that is not good for your desire to get rich.
P.S. The same reasoning extends to explain why it is now the government’s implicit responsibility to maintain elevated housing prices.
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Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-09-20 06:26:12
A government as massively indebted as ours (the Fed balance sheet alone is $17 billion to cover its binge of money-printing, not to mention to toxic-waste MBS garbage they conveniently took off the hands of their bankster accomplices and transferred to the public books instead) fears deflation, or natural price discovery, above all else. Hence Auntie Janet and her successors will hyperinflate rather than let prices sink to what an increasingly impoverised 99% can actually afford to pay.
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-09-20 06:55:56
The Fed cannot hyperinflate in any way I can see. They can make money to lend, and now we see they can make money to buy toilet paper from their member banks, still the money has to be lent to cause any inflation. The inflation of the past 40 years has been based on people’s willingness and ability to borrow. When debt exhaustion hits, the game is deflation. Learn how to play sooner rather than later.
Comment by taxpayers
2014-09-20 08:14:12
1921 shows us allowing deflation of ALL prices is the best thing in the world.
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-09-20 08:22:41
“still the money has to be lent to cause any inflation.”
There it is… Print $50 Quadrillion and store in bunkers and it still won’t cause inflation. Further to the point; Even if it’s borrowed as a substitute to wages dollar for dollar, it’s still not inflation.
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2014-09-20 08:38:49
‘When debt exhaustion hits, the game is deflation. Learn how to play sooner rather than later.’
That seems the Occam Razor explanation sure enough. However, I envision it to be deflation in things we do not need utmost and inflation in staple items like gasoline and food and insurance. Sorry, but yeah, deflation can happen in the big ticket items like houses but it is hard to grasp how that will happen unless interest rates go higher for one, and two, people get very disillusioned about mortgaging a house and/or the demand drops off the map because the cash flow dries up.
I tend to believe the whole thing about maintenance and taxes on houses do depreciate them as an investment. This buy higher, sell higher mentality for houses will run out of greater fools.
SAN DIEGO (CNS) - The average price of a gallon of self-serve regular gasoline in San Diego County dropped Wednesday to its lowest amount since Feb. 13, decreasing seven-tenths of a cent to $3.763.
The average price has decreased 65 times in the past 72 days, dropping 39 cents over that span, including four-tenths of a cent on Tuesday, according to figures from the AAA and Oil Price Information Service.
The average price is 4.2 cents less than one week ago, 9 cents lower than one month ago and 26.7 cents cents below what it was one year ago.
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That was a wonderful bit of sophistry. Says who we gotta own it? Globalist Meddlers who want decades of tax money spent on the clean up?
All this PC war stuff is just indicative of how spoiled we are that we even have the option to think about what we should do after we win. That ain’t a war, that’s meddling.
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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-09-20 10:48:54
We were discussing housing policy, not war.
Colin Powell’s use of the ‘Pottery Barn Rules’ described the possible aftermath when the U.S. steps in and wipes out a sovereign government.
My quote was in reference to the consequences of U.S. economic authorities using taxpayer-subsidized intervention to effectively wipe out private markets, as has happened with housing finance, including mortgages and PMI.
Different settings, similar results.
Comment by Shillow
2014-09-20 12:04:57
My bone to pick is with Colin Powell and his oft repeated canard. Not you. I may not even disagree with your point related to housing. I’ve just been looking to point out that quote and it’s reasoning are generally bogus and a setup.
“Another thought crossed my mind about the availability of resources. Is it just one big pie and everyone has a chunk of it?”
No. The size of the pie and distribution of the chunk size depends on the system of governance.
For instance, central planning tends to produce an ever-smaller pie over time, and smaller pieces for all individuals except a shrinking pool of pig men.
It’s not a choice between “unlimited wealth” and “one big (fixed) pie” — the truth lies somewhere in between, and the effectiveness of production and distribution depends heavily on the system of governance.
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Comment by Shillow
2014-09-20 06:54:02
is there unlimited wealth for everyone to get rich? Or is this a carrot being dangled?
Our poorest today would be considered tremendously wealthy by Great Depression standards.
We have the productive capacity to provide a very high standard of living to everyone in the country with fewer and fewer workers and that dynamic is only increasing.
What do you do with a society where only 10 percent need to work to provide for the rest at a high standard? We’re getting there.
Conversely what do you do with all those on the Dole? The Dole robs you of your spirit and destroys initiative.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-09-20 10:51:08
“What do you do with a society where only 10 percent need to work to provide for the rest at a high standard? We’re getting there.”
Agreed. The problem today is much more about fair and effective allocation, not production. And it is getting worse.
Comment by Patrick
2014-09-20 19:06:59
The US economy is only 25% of the world economy. Yet it prints the world’s real money. What happens when a country like Brazil cannot control it’s currency -
The next problem will not be caused by the USA but by instability in a fairly large country. They cannot print their way out of trouble but they can price their products at a much cheaper price - overnight.
If a major country suddenly devalues their currency to allow easier competition of their products, most of which originate in their home country, then it probably would start a trade war.
Much worse than fooling with a currency. Ms Yellen knows this but continues to believe she is in charge.
I guess yellen was telling all the poor people to get rich this week.
Let’s face it: a lot of poor people remain that way because they are unintelligent and make poor choices, i.e. they are DNC entitlement voters even though the DNC (like the GOP) has been bought and paid for by the Wall Street grifters.
So while the average Obama Zombie may have a dim perception they were sold a bill of goods, they lack the intelligence to grasp the full magnitude of how badly they, and the country, are being screwed by the .1%.
I don’t think it’s possible for everyone in China to get rich, but I do think it’s possible for tens of millions of them to be well off the rest of their lives (if they take themselves and their wealth out of China).
Let’s imagine 50 million rich people. I think that is possible. And why do you think they have to be confined to a certain area? They can invest internationally and I certainly do invest internationally. I think it’s possible for 1/6 or more of the USA population to be rich and well off the rest of their lives.
I used to live in CA, but now in live in AZ. AZ is far more regulated than CA, contrary to popular belief. All the regulations in AZ are tilted in favor of those with vast funds.
I’ll say it again; these people are freaking idiots.
I respectfully disagree. They are thoroughly evil and corrupt, but they are not stupid by any means. People like Robert Rubin, Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, and the other Goldman Sachs plants who have captured our economic and monetary policy have succeeded brilliantly at facilitating the most egregious rip-off in history: the massive transfer of wealth and assets from the 99% (who willingly voted for their own economic destruction) to the 1%.
I gave up attempting to understand if these monsters are stupid, evil or both. The end result of their misconduct is a disaster of unprecedented size and scope. And make no mistake, their actions cant be interpreted as anything but official misconduct considering they are deliberate in imposing their disastrous “policies”.
I’m sure having a hard time remembering which Fed chair I voted for in the last election!
If you voted for Clinton, Bush, Obama, McCain, or Romney in any recent elections, you voted for whatever Fed chair the Republicrat duopoly annointed to rule over you.
I’m not talking about intelligence, but their policies. Yellen had the nerve to talk about poor people just one paycheck away from blah blah. What about these high house prices Janet? Ever think that might be making things harder for poor people? Stop buying MBS, sell some of those foreclosures you bought. Stop giving wall street money to drive up prices!
These policies are nuts, and we put our hands in our pockets and can’t figure out why nothings there? It’s not hard; houses and house prices don’t create jobs. It’s a consumption. Yet that’s the Fed’s big plan! It’s not a secret.
Then it doesn’t work, and what happens? We sit here and listen to even bigger idiots tell us we need space aliens or some crap. Yes, I think when someone starts talking about space aliens and the economy, we are listening to a freaking idiot. And most of what passes for economic planning these days isn’t too far from Krugman’s foolishness. Oh, we’ll print money! Let’s all get rich on walkie-talkies made in China, or some Chinese IPO, that does what exactly? And the house! We’ll flip houses! I bet right now there are reality TV shows running on flipping houses. After how many years, and people are still flipping houses?
Guilty pleasures as they may be, those so-called “reality” TV shows featuring flippers — folks who profit from turning neglected dwellings into comfortable, turnkey homes — drive Marty Boardman, well, flipping crazy.
The Gilbert-based flipper, who does most of his work these days in Milwaukee due to the narrow profit margins he found in the Valley, has perhaps a better understanding than most people of what goes into these shows.
“It’s difficult for me to sit through any reality show, because I know so much about the formula,” said Boardman, a former television-news cameraman, referring to the shows’ need for a protagonist, an antagonist and an artificial deadline to stir up plenty of drama.
Although he doesn’t want to ruin anyone’s enjoyment of these shows — they have their appeal, he admits — the author of “Fixing and Flipping Real Estate: Strategies for the Post-Boom Era” ($19.99, Apress, 2012) is always happy to point out things he thinks the shows get wrong about the business. His top bugaboos include:
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What does house flipping add to the economy? Sure, they spend some money on counters and flooring, but the buyer borrows and pays for that ultimately. Somehow, the house magically grows in value over the space of the time to do this little bit of work? It’s a illusion. And way too many people have embraced it.
It’s hard to say where this all began. The first big policy lie I can remember is being told we are going to become a consumer based economy. I was in my late teens and I could see that was BS. Lo and behold, in ten years the US went from being the biggest creditor country to the biggest debtor. Despite the complete bankruptcy of the concept, it’s still the dominate economic policy! We just need people to borrow and spend. Give them more credit! Have the government borrow money and pay them to dig ditches and fill them in, so they can make the monthly payments. And when they can’t make the payments, bail out the lenders and start all over again. It just flat cannot work.
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Comment by Jingle Male
2014-09-20 07:20:56
I thought you just moved to a new location somewhere in the U.S. so you could buy and sell foreclosed houses.
I’ve never participated in selling a house, except my own years ago after I moved out of it. I did sell a lot a lender gave the company I manage. That was after I determined we didn’t have a use for it. I talking about buying a house and selling it, primarily based on appreciation.
Anybody contemplating a business has to ask themselves, what will I be doing? Why should someone give me their money to invest, or to live in the house I manage? For the investor, it’s reliable returns. For the tenant, it’s a safe, comfortable shelter that they can afford. I have to do both.
What is a foreclosure, or a distressed sale? A property that someone needs to get out from under. This is a situation where I can function to take a non-performing asset and turn it into a performing asset. But there’s a friction; I have to get it at a price that allows me to provide for the investor and the tenant. So my challenge then is to secure the price that suits the seller, investor and tenant. This includes an accurate assessment of what it will cost to put it into livable condition, maintain it and what affordable rents will be. And there is the ongoing management. All of this is much different from someone who takes out a loan, puts in some granite counter tops and puts a sign in the yard, expecting to make a hundred grand for doing almost nothing.
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-09-20 10:53:38
“Despite the complete bankruptcy of the concept, it’s still the dominate economic policy!”
Given political inertia, it takes a VERY long time for the inside-the-Beltway set to recognize the folly of their ways.
Comment by Ella58
2014-09-20 12:02:11
Creating a product (rental housing) that both gives investors a return and that tenants can afford? Thereby creating an economic transaction that benefits BOTH parties at the same time? How horribly passe - that sounds like my grandfather’s version of capitalism.
Time to get with the program of New “Capitalism”, made up of multiple win-lose relationships. What you SHOULD be doing is trying to squeeze as much money as possible from the tenant, regardless of your input costs, profit margin, or what they can afford. Ideally, the tenant should need two jobs to afford to rent from you. And your investors should probably start a payday loan business, because your tenant sure will need it.
The foreclosure victim who used to own the house should notice that your investors are raking in money, and should sue you and the bank for damages. Think of how many lawyers you’ll hire!
Next, the tenant, also with a lawyer, should complain to the local gov’t, and apply for a rent voucher funded by the tax payer. The local gov’t will then raise yours and everyone’s property taxes to cover the voucher, plus a little extra for them to keep, because why not?
Hopefully the tenant will build up great resentment toward you and your investors. That way they can trash the house without feeling bad. This is a good thing, because you will have to employ several people to repair the damage.
And that’s how we get full employment in the 21st century.
The shift from a production-based economy - which is how wealth is created - to Wall Street’s speculative casino has been going on ever since LBJ ended honest money in 1964 (and accelerated when Tricky Dick took us off the gold standard). The oligarchs know full well how their raping the 99%, but occasionally have to throw out “we feel your pain” platitudes to the sheep, who they depend on to mindlessly keep electing the .1%’s Republicrat enablers.
And most of what passes for economic planning these days….
That’s just it, any planning is done not with the overall interests of the country in mind, but with the interests of the rich or connected interest groups. Housing is one of those interest groups as we all unfortunately know.
‘People like Robert Rubin, Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, and the other Goldman Sachs plants who have captured our economic and monetary policy have succeeded brilliantly at facilitating the most egregious rip-off in history: the massive transfer of wealth and assets from the 99% (who willingly voted for their own economic destruction) to the 1%.’
And what was our means of backlash after that? Occupy Wall Street? Which got shot down quickly as it was treated as a spoiled kid’s temper tantrum party.
A sizeable bloc denizens living unhappily under the misrule of “former” Goldmanite Rajoy, undeterred by Scotland’s “no” vote for independence (and escape from the City of London banksters and their Parliament), are getting poised to go their own way, despite the Establishment status quo informing them a referendum is illegal and they must return to the sheep pens.
It’s a wonder news like this doesn’t show up in share prices.
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September 19, 2014 1:55 pm
IMF warns of emerging markets slowdown
By Robin Harding in Washington
Emerging markets are suffering an unprecedented and broad-based slowdown that threatens the future of the global economy, researchers at the International Monetary Fund have warned.
Not only did emerging market growth stall in the wake of the financial crisis, it has kept falling across a wide range of countries and unlike in advanced economies the IMF does not forecast a recovery.
The slowdown marks a big change in the pattern of global growth and the spillovers could hurt advanced economies, too, warn the researchers.
“Emerging markets as a group were growing at about 7 per cent before the crisis,” said Hamid Faruqee, a division chief in the IMF’s research department. “We now see them growing at about 5 per cent going forward.”
The Fund’s paper finds that growth is slower across a swath of developing countries, not just the largest economies such as China and India. Expansion rates in more than 90 per cent of emerging markets are lower than before the 2008 turmoil.
“The slowdown seems to be quite broad based,” said Mr Faruqee. Such a synchronised deceleration is unique outside of a recession or financial crisis.
According to the IMF research, trade links are an important reason for the slowdown, with emerging markets suffering from weaker growth in their trading partners. But there are also signs of deeper problems, with evidence that productivity improvements are contributing less to growth.
Real GDP growth
“The fact that we project some rebound in growth for the advanced economies and are lowering it for the emerging economies is suggestive of something internal among the EMs,” said Mr Faruqee.
According to the IMF’s estimates, a one percentage point slowdown in emerging market growth lowers growth in advanced economies by quarter of a percentage point because of reduced trade.
That means the 2 percentage point reduction in emerging market growth since before the financial crisis could mean a 0.5 percentage point reduction in growth for rich countries such as the US. This suggests the weakness in developing countries could be an important reason for the recent growth disappointments in advanced economies.
Developed and emerging econmies
The IMF said an emerging market slowdown could also mean lower commodity prices and possible trouble for banks that have overextended their lending in countries where growth has abated.
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First reaction to that is if the emerging markets are slowing down, it is because the bankers want them to slow down right now. Huh? I just do not picture these states as having a choice in the matter. What kind of armies do emerging markets have?
China’s central bank has opened its spigot to a certain extent. Heard on the Street columnists Alex Frangos, Aaron Back and Abheek Bhattacharya debate what this means for the economy.
BEIJING—China’s central bank is injecting 500 billion yuan ($81 billion) into the country’s five major state-owned banks as it moves to counter slower-than-expected growth in the world’s No. 2 economy, according to a senior Chinese banking executive.
The move contributed to a rise in Asian markets early Wednesday, but falls short of a more sweeping effort, such as an interest-rate cut, to lift the economy, showing that Beijing is continuing to use targeted measures. (Latest: China Home Prices Weaken)
Some Chinese bankers and executives doubt the measure will do much to help rev up economic activity, pointing to sagging demand for loans from businesses due to the gloomy economic outlook.
Economists also warned that the move may not be enough, and that Beijing may face growing pressure to adopt more broad-based stimulus measures if momentum weakens further.
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China released a bunch of grim economic data this weekend, the worst of it being industrial production, which slowed to its lowest level since doom year 2008.
It’s a flashback nobody in markets wants to experience and indicates that, unless the government wants to step in, China will be shrinking for the near term at the very least.
China, Singapore slowdown weigh on Q3 Asia business sentiment
MUMBAI Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:28am IST
A woman in a wedding gown and a tourist (2nd R) pose for photos with the skyline of the financial district of Singapore at Marina Bay August 22, 2014. REUTERS/Edgar Su/Files
(Reuters) - Business sentiment among Asia’s top companies fell sharply in the third quarter, weighed down by worries about China’s slowing economy, a possible end to the U.S. Federal Reserve’s stimulus policy and a decline in the outlook for regional economic hubs like Singapore, a ThomsonReuters/INSEAD survey showed.
The ThomsonReuters/INSEAD Asia Business Sentiment Index fell to 66 in the third quarter from 74 in the previous quarter, its steepest decline in three years. A reading above 50 indicates an overall positive outlook.
Companies in India were the most positive with a maximum score of 100 for the second consecutive quarter after pro-business leader Narendra Modi was elected prime minister.
In contrast, Taiwanese businesses were the most negative, with a score of 33.
“While growth is still robust across Asia, businesses are grappling with a number of challenges, including worries about rising interest rates as the Fed begins to press the brakes,” said Frederic Neumann, the Hong Kong-based co-head of Asian economic research at HSBC.
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Brazil’s economy suffered a technical recession in the first half of this year, with two consecutive quarters of contraction, dealing a blow to President Dilma Rousseff’s bid for re-election in October.
Gross domestic product declined 0.6 per cent in the second quarter, when Brazil hosted the start of the 2014 soccer World Cup, compared with the previous three months, while the first quarter was revised down from positive 0.2 per cent to negative 0.2 per cent, said IBGE, Brazil’s national statistics agency.
Brazil’s benchmark equity index, the Bovespa, rose 0.59 per cent in early trade on hopes that the poor performance would lead to a change of government.
“We believe that this contraction is largely a temporary effect caused by the reduction of business days during the World Cup,” Itaú-Unibanco said in a research report. “However, the data already available for the third quarter show weaker-than-expected recovery.”
Brazil’s economy has been flirting with recession for some time after a series of quarters in which growth has been stagnant, inflation near the top of the central bank’s target range and investment and consumer sentiment weak.
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Former Russian finance minister Alexei Kudrin has a warning for Kremlin officials: Russia is dangerously close to a recession. Kudrin’s analysis comes just after the European Union and United States announced increased sanctions against Russia, including a hit to Russia’s oil sector and financing options. Kudrin believes that because Russia is not investing heavily enough in their own economy, they are decreasing their own chances of successfully surviving increased sanctions.
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Europe News Germany Economic Outlook Weakens Uncertainty in Eurozone and Effect of Sanctions Against Russia Weigh on Sentiment
By Todd Buell
Updated Sept. 16, 2014 7:16 a.m. ET
MANNHEIM, Germany—The German economic outlook weakened in September, a survey of financial analysts released Tuesday showed, suggesting that uncertainty over the eurozone economy and the effect of sanctions on Russia continues to weigh on sentiment.
Still, the decline in the sentiment index—compiled by research institute ZEW—isn’t necessarily a cause for grave concern, analysts said, noting the German economy remains in good position for a resumption of growth after a small contraction in gross domestic product during the second quarter.
The lead indicator of the ZEW survey declined to 6.9 in September from August’s 8.6. Economists polled ahead of the release by The Wall Street Journal had forecast the indicator to fall to 5.0. The indicator for current conditions fell sharply to 25.4 from 44.3, well below expectations of 41.0. The lead expectations indicator hit its lowest level since December 2012.
Analysts, however, cautioned not to read too much into the data, which is highly sensitive to swings in financial markets. Surveys of purchasing managers and other business leaders are typically eyed more closely as a gauge of economic activity.
“The predictive power of the ZEW index has to be taken with more than a pinch of salt. For example, the current assessment component increased throughout the second quarter, while growth actually turned out to be negative,” said ING economist Carsten Brzeski in a research note.
“Deteriorating sentiment is not exactly good for growth. However, our own assessment is that while German growth might be somewhat slower in [the second half of the year] than it was in [the first half], it will remain in positive growth territory,” wrote BNP Paribas economist Evelyn Herrmann.
German GDP contracted by 0.2% in the second quarter from the first, or 0.6% at an annualized rate, but that was after strong annualized growth of about 3% in the first three months of the year.
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Japan News Japan Cuts September Economic Assessment First Downgrade to Cabinet Office’s Overall Economic View in Five Months
By Alexander Martin
Updated Sept. 18, 2014 9:31 p.m. ET
Pedestrians crossing at the Shibuya intersection in Tokyo. Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
TOKYO—Japan downgraded its overall assessment of the economy in September for the first time in five months, as poor summer weather weighed on consumption, raising further questions over the viability of pushing ahead with a second sales-tax increase after the first one in April hurt demand and stalled growth.
In its monthly economic report released Friday, the government cut its assessment of private consumption, saying it appeared “to be pausing recently” as typhoons and record downpours pummeled Japan this summer. While it said the economy was still on the path to a “moderate recovery,” attention should be paid to the lingering impact of the April 1 tax increase to 8% from 5%.
Economists and policy makers are closely following how the economy is responding to the higher tax rate, following a spending surge before its implementation that saw the economy grow 6% in the January-March quarter. A pullback in demand, however, saw the economy shrink 7.1% in the April to June quarter, heightening concerns that the tax rise is taking a greater-than-expected toll on the economy.
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Why Does Obama Describe the Islamic State as ‘ISIL’ Instead of ‘ISIS?’
September 9, 2014 By Matthew Burke
Many of even the most casual observers have noticed that virtually all news organizations (not to mention the terrorist organization themselves), refer to the Muslim terrorist group as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.
That is everyone with the exception of the Obama regime, who in robotic lockstep refer to the evil, barbaric, and subhuman group of beheaders, not as ISIS, as the rest of the world does, but as ISIL, which stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
So what’s the difference? What’s the big deal? And why is the Obama regime going to such organized contortions to go against the grain of the established name?
Two journalists, Chuck Todd, who just took over NBC’s Meet the Press from David Gregory’s failed tenure as the long-running political show host, had one take on the regime’s obsession in trying to cram “ISIL” down everyone’s collective throats, stating that Obama doesn’t like dealing with the last “S” in the abbreviation, as it stands for Syria, another of his failed foreign policies.
“Obviously, we refer to it at NBC News as ISIS,” Todd explained during his first time as full-time host of the program that he is commissioned with bringing back the to its former glory days under deceased former legendary host Tim Russert. “The Obama administration, the president says the word ‘ISIL.’ The last ‘S’ stands for Syria. The last ‘L’ they don’t want to have stand for Syria.”
The word “Levant” encompasses a much larger area of land, which included Syria, the area referred to as Palestine, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and parts of Turkey, according to Al Jazeera, the Middle East media outlet owned by the oil-rich country of Qatar, who purchased “Current TV” in the U.S. for $500 million from global warming huckster Al Gore.
FOX News’ Harris Faulkner issued an even stronger criticism of the Obama Democrat Machine’s insistence with using ISIL over ISIS on Outnumbered last week, in speaking with fellow panelists Ainsley Earhardt and Jesse Watters. She said that Obama was giving the terrorist group a hat tip:
Ainsley Earhardt: “They changed the name in the middle of all this to ISIL. they don’t have the right to do that. We’re going to continue to call them ISIS.”
Harris Faulkner: “So our president is tipping his hat to them.”
Ainsley Earhardt: “They changed the name…”
Jesse Watters: “And I think the president doesn’t want to have it be just Iraq and Syria because that brings to mind the president’s failed policies in Iraq. which, he said the Iraq war was over. And Syria, which he drew the line and basically vacated it. When they say ‘Levant,’ that’s broadening it out and it kind of doesn’t remind people that this is his policy.
Roughly a year ago, the Obama regime, as well as a handful of Republicans like John McCain, were arguing to help ISIS, who they then referred to as “rebels,” in toppling the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.
That could have something to do with the Obama machine’s reluctance to remind the American people of that inconvenient truth.
A cartel of globalist “development” banks has produced a report “on the need for economic collaboration to help nations adapt and avert the impact of climate change,” UPI reported on Friday.
The report was prepared by the African Development Bank, the Asian Development Bank, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the European Investment Bank, the Inter-American Development Bank, and the World Bank Group and appears ahead of a United Nations climate summit in New York next week.
So-called development banks get money from playing the financial markets and from “subscriber” nations, in other words from taxpayers in “rich” or “developed” countries.
The plan “requires mobilizing a wide range of financial resources, public and private, bilateral and multilateral, including alternative sources,” the report said.
Agenda 21
The report calls for Agenda-21 style “sustainable development” policies to combat disputed anthropogenic climate change, including “dense cities.” Carbonists argue “dense cities designed for efficiency offer one of the most promising paths to sustainability.”
Other “promising paths” include control of water allocation and distribution, outlawing private transportation in favor of “eco-conscious transportation modes,” and restricting individual use of nature to protect “biodiversity.”
In short, “smart growth” and “biodiversity” are about eliminating private property and the rights of the individual. “Sustainability” is about sustaining the global elite and creating an authoritarian globalist apparatchik to control the lives of billions of people.
Under Agenda 21 people “would be herded into ‘Smart Growth’ zones or ‘human settlements,’ where they would be confined to high-rise buildings. Individual rights, including private property rights, would be stripped away. Agenda 21/Sustainable Development documents call for reduction of the human population from the present 6.6 billion down to about 1 billion people, that is, by 85%,” writes Michael Shaw.
“Forget your dream of a two story home on your own piece of land. Instead the plan is to force us to settle for a nightmare. Conjure up an image of China,” writes Nancy Thorner, “specifically a city like Beijing with few private homes and massive apartment buildings. A place where people will likely live in zones connected by congested freeways, and all controlled by an untouchable government.”
Predatory Financial Class the Problem, Not Climate
Brazil’s Curitiba and Colombia’s Bogota are held up as admirable examples in the report.
“Far from an idyllic utopia, Curitiba faces the same problems that metropolises around the world do, including overcrowding, poverty, pollution and limited public funding,” writes Tim Gnatek. The city, however, has instituted an Agenda 21-styled “master plan” to “clean up the environment and also address poverty.”
Colombia has some of the worst poverty statistics in Latin America and one of the most stratified social systems in the world. More than a third of the country’s population lives below the poverty line, which is a dollar per day.
More than alleged climate change, Colombia is a victim of the financial class represented by the World Bank and its development banks.
“As a result of World Bank and IMF-sponsored policies, per-capita income in Colombia has plunged from $2,716 in 1997 to a current level of $1,890. Between 1997 and 2000, the percentage of Colombians living in poverty rose from 50.3% to 60.0%,” notes Tony Avirgan.
The World Bank thrives on economic predation. Climate change is merely the latest scheme designed to implement world government as the global elite abandon the Bretton Woods system and seek a more effective way to rule and control the world’s population and resources.
OK, Sears comment from yesterday. Richard Warren Sears was a marketing genius. He was a railroad employee, that bought a shipment of bad watches rejected by a jeweler, and with the eventual partnership with Roebuck, built a great company. Sears and Montgomery Wards even sold kit home through there catalogs 1908-1940 (Montgomery Wards=Wayward Homes). I am sad to see they lost their way in the retail jungle.
Great, so now I will have to set up another charity. The Wigs for Bald Eagles fund is already hard enough to manage. Now there will be a Prosthetic Hooves for Oxide fund. Send donations to Ben’s account.
“Former” Goldmanite-turned-ECB head Mario Draghi trying to keep the EU ponzi going for awhile longer with ever-more QE, but finds the Germans - who of all people should know where central bank money-printing and currency debasement leads - ain’t playing along quite as well as he’d like.
Ironically, the oligarchs who benefit the most from Fed and central bank money-printing are most congizant of the resultant debasement of the currency, and worse, that will result from such monetary policies, and are hedging accordingly.
Oligarchs for open borders laments its lack of success in realizing amnesty and unrestricted immigration. C’mon, America, Comrade Pelosi’s DNC permanant supermajority isn’t going to buid itself, you know, and those billionaires can only become trillionaires if they jettison those overpriced American workers for foreign wage slaves.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SYRACUSE NY. ONE CAN NEVER PAY THIS HOUSE OFF AS THE REAL ESTATE TAXES WILL BE THERE FOREVER AND MORE LIKELY TO GO UP. I GUESS THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY MORE STATES LIKE NYS.
It’s got a 1.6 acre lot. What an abortion of a house.
If you are the bagholder trying to hold on by your fingernails after you lose your job, can’t find another one, are out of cash and out of options…you won’t even be able to grow your own food or have your own cow. Or go to the woodlot to get fuel to stoke up the ol’ woodstove during the six months of winter. Place likely has an HOA Gestapo as well.
The Tories, the UK equivilant to our Wall-Street owned GOP, are making good money off of flooding the UK with refugees and asylum seekers. Not hard to imagine well-connected Republicrats doing the same.
Pull on your Doc Martens, button up your flannel, tease up your bangs, and throw some Mariah on. This week, the Census Bureau came out with its big annual report on income and poverty in the United States, and it reconfirmed that as a country, we peaked in the late 1990s.
To be more specific, median household income peaked. Back in 1999, the average household made $56,895 in today’s dollars. That number took a hit when the dot-com bubble burst and never reached the same high note again. It plummeted once more during the Great Recession and has slinked lower through the recovery. That middle-of-the-road household is now making $51,939. In other words, for the past 15 years, a growing economy has failed to translate into rising incomes.
It is a big problem. And it goes a long, long way to explaining the squeeze lower and middle-income families feel. If the economy had kept on performing the way it did in the late 1990s, that median household would be making $20,000 more than it currently is. But forget a world where the 1990s lasted forever, where there was no Iraq War and no mortgage bubble. The latest findings raise a more modest question: Will we ever get back to where we were?
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Growth itself has become more anemic, too. To help explain why, let’s turn to another throwback, top Democratic policy mind Lawrence Summers, who just happened to be Treasury secretary in 1999. Of late, Summers has talked a lot about what he calls “secular stagnation.” The big idea is that the economy cannot achieve strong growth and low unemployment absent some kind of extraordinary policy intervention.
That extraordinary policy intervention is often really loose monetary policy and growing deficits. The modest expansion of the 2000s only happened under the aegis of the housing bubble, he points out. And today’s modest rates of growth are only happening because of the Federal Reserve’s aggressive asset purchases and insistence on leaving interest rates at scratch. (Those bang-up growth rates and rising median incomes in the 1990s also owe a lot to the froth of the dot-com bubble, it is worth noting.)
Summers notes that continually blowing asset bubbles and trying to staunch the bleeding when they pop is not exactly a brilliant macroeconomic policy. “A strategy that relies on interest rates significantly below growth rates for long periods of time virtually guarantees the emergence of substantial bubbles and dangerous build-ups in leverage,” he wrote. His big idea is just to have the government run deficits in perpetuity, supplying the demand that the great swath of American middle-income households can no longer supply. Improving worker skills and boosting exports would help, too.
But right now, deficits are falling and the Federal Reserve is planning on stepping back, rather than doing more. Growth is not translating into higher wages, or lifting median earnings by much. There is little to suggest that the middle class will start growing and feeling flush again. In short, 1999 levels of median income might still be nothing but a fantasy for the next five years of growth, or ten. But at least we have our flannels, scrunchies, and Mariah to soothe us.
I remember colleagues in the early-1990s predicting that if Bill Clinton were elected, the U.S. economy would go to hell in a hand basket. It didn’t turn out that way, though.
The lesson I learned from those eight years was one of the economic moral hazard problem facing any sitting U.S. president. There is a standing incentive to adopt policies which goose the economy while you are in office and leave your successor holding the bag.
Case in point: Housing policies to goad lenders into making subprime loans to low-income households, plus a $500K capital gains exclusion for sale of a primary residence, which served to kick the Housing Bubble into overdrive. GWB was left holding the bag on the subsequent collapse.
That Clinton-era “prosperity” was enabled by epic scams and swindles by banksters and crony-capitalist insiders like Citigroup’s Rubin Rubin, with the bills landing on the US taxpayer in 2008.
After he stepped away from Treasury in 1999, Rubin moved to Citigroup (C), and until 2009 he served as chairman of the executive committee and, briefly, chairman of the board of directors. On his watch, the federal government was forced to inject $45 billion of taxpayer money into the company and guarantee some $300 billion of illiquid assets. Taxpayers ended up with a 27 percent stake in Citigroup, which was sold in 2010 at a cumulative profit of $12 billion. Rubin gave up a portion of his contracted compensation—and was still paid around $126 million in cash and stock during a tenure in which his serenity has come to look a lot more like paralysis. “Nobody on this planet represents more vividly the scam of the banking industry,” says Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of The Black Swan. “He made $120 million from Citibank, which was technically insolvent. And now we, the taxpayers, are paying for it.”
Now that the Double Down is under way, what will happen next? How many tears will be shed? Will another recession crop up? Will Oxide ever get those new dancing shoes she needs?
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Home ownership is really overrated.
Home ownership is path to nirvana.
In the sense that the lead singer of Nirvana committed suicide.
As a result of mental illness, sad. Also another parallel with housing.
Butters!
Vanguard finally gave me the feature of looking at my ten year investment performance. My personal performance with all my Vanguard funds (as a whole) exceeded the “buy and hold” of any single fund on the last ten years. Yes I do have a money market fund in the mix and a short term TIP ETF.
How about 9.99% average annual gain over the last ten years despite the depression between 2008 and 2011.
The key is dollar cost averaging of course.
Has anyone’s stucco box appreciated 9.99% per year the last ten years? That would be 257% of the original value.
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Bill knows the key to getting better. Whether it is getting richer or thinner or more educated whatever. It is this: have a plan and put one foot in front of the other executing that plan over and over and over day in and day out. Along the way assess and reassess with objective feedback. That is how you get better. That is it.
All who want to get rich, what is your plan and how are you executing it?
I’m trying to get job working on a government contract.
Try is not a plan. Neither is hope. And Bill works his butt off from what I can tell.
I joshua-treed (on “ignore”) that guy screwballs or whatisname.
Thanks. That is essentially my methodology. While I’m mostly dollar cost averaging and will keep doing so, a couple times a year I read up on strategies.
Here are some I picked up:
a) Diversify among your tax avoidance strategies. This makes living in an unfree world more tolerable. And if I was going to pick California as my permanent retirement spot I would first shift to municipal bonds, lots of investment wines, convert all my traditional retirement to a Roth IRA, and have plenty of US Treasuries. California FTB can go pi$$ up a rope.
b) Take money off the table by realizing long term gains of your best performing assets. Even if you don’t need the money, it’s a great idea to realize such gains when your asset class is 7 percentage points or more above your comfortable asset allocation percentage. This allows you to follow W. Buffet’s advice: “Be fearful when the others are greedy, be greedy when the others are fearful.” These days I am happy to sell my big gains on a whim: I sneezed this morning, therefore I’m selling 75 shares. That type of excuse.
I don’t like options. But I think it’s fun to buy individual stocks. My screeners are producing nothing. And they will continue to produce nothing until we get a much needed 50% haircut. Another 2009. My guess is that the first industry to go to the Davey Jones Locker is staffing companies. And I will scoop up shares of my former company stock greedily when it’s at my buy price (below $16).
Everyone has their own values and best wishes and teams. Won’t list my several dozen stock watch list here but I look forward to the day of trading a pile of money for some personal bet on my favorites.
And ten years ago I was 45. A colleague told me then a man in his 40s should own a house! BWAHAHAHAHA!
Your most important investing decision of the last ten years may have been to ignore people who told you to buy a home. (I made the same decision!)
Which funds are people looking at now considering the markets current condition and likely forward direction? Surely people aren’t long S&P right now?
Haven’t you figured out by now the stock market is guaranteed to always go up from now on? Get with the program!
I’m not long or short on anything. Dollar cost averaging is neither. Although my cost basis is 38% below the current NAVs on my funds.
It does not make sense for an investor to be long or short on any fund. Trader? Maybe. At a minimum, small cap stocks tend to do well during Democrat takeover of government. Blue chips do well under Republican administrations. visgx versus vfiax is 22% versus 18% annual gain. In view of that, I have realized gains two or three times out of my small cap stock fund and finally reduced the amount going in by $50 per month. Switched that $50 to the VGSIX (REIT) fund.
A good fund in the long run versus VFIAX is VTCLX, the tax managed admiral fund. I hope not to tap that for another ten years, but I lost my aversion to realizing long term gains when I need the money.
I used to hate realizing gains in stock funds because they would seem a setback. Then a few years ago an idea came to mind that with all the asset classes I have, when I need money, why not realize a long term gain in the best performing asset in any asset class?
Hence I sold some gold in 2010 and some of the small company stock fund a year or two ago. And hence now selling off my former company’s stock. Hopefully will get a nice enough compensation increase at my company January 1 2015 so that this bleed off of equities will slow.
“A colleague told me then a man in his 40s should own a house!”
Many years ago I read a piece where a fund manager said, “If you don’t own your home outright and have some money tucked away to keep the wife comfortable then you weren’t a real investor.”
Ha! Funny how some people seem to want to project their values on how others should copy their values. The world would be a boring place and collectivism would thrive if everyone was the same. Thank goodness we are not. But people keep denying that. Like I should be married and have kids graduating from college by now or even be a grandfather! According to some people. They really get all twisted that I just have not followed the same path they did.
My rental properties return more than that, and someone else manages them.
I don’t get it. I live in 32828 and the market has slowed, as in houses sit longer before going under contract but things are still selling. Every time a house comes up for sale in the subdivision we live in (Avalon Park) the asking prices are higher and they still go under contract.
I am waiting for this next downturn to happen before buying but WTF! Where are all of these people coming from that can support a $400k mortgage? Not everyone who works for Lockheed, Siemens or UCF makes that much money or decide to live in this neighborhood and those are the only major employers in the neighborhood.
Granted, two things: 1. I haven’t seen the ask vs. sell price and 2. It seems like things stay pending for quite some time.
List prices are falling and sale prices are falling in that zip too. Time is on your side.
How were prices there in 2010-11? Did they go up to a stupid level since then because of the deliberate govt intervention? We are going back to those same prices in the same or sooner time frame, then we’ll keep going lower.
Why can’t you wait a year? At this point what does it matter?
Yes, prices have been going up dramatically over the last year. I really can’t understand these people? One realtor tried to tell me that prices were going up a $1,000 a day. I politely explained to her what a bubble and a mania were and that if the houses she was selling for $180k were in fact worth $545k in a year then she should have plans for another line of work because nothing would sell, period.
I can wait, there really is no rush, I am just getting tired of waiting. We rent a house in the neighborhood, we are a growing family though and the pressure from my better half is mounting. She does understand the economics and what will happen because we went through this before in 2007. We didn’t buy in the last crash because I thought it was going to keep dropping.
We didn’t buy in the last crash because I thought it was going to keep dropping.
I get it. I hear ya. Here in PHX area same thing, but I think we are in a place now where the turn back to a market with falling prices is undeniable. I was where you are 6 months to a year ago. Watching prices rising for no reason other than government subsidizing flippers and hedge funds. But they cannot repeal the laws of gravity and 2+2 will always equal 4 no matter how they try to spin it. The next leg down is back underway.
If prices went back down to the 2010-2011 prices again would you then buy?
I don’t know to be honest. I keep reading the fear porn over at ZH and other places and everybody is starting to say the bottom is really going to drop out this time. Though, they are the same people that say the only thing to buy is gold and the end times are nigh too.
I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. So we will likely look at buying if prices do recede back to that area.
The wild cards are:
1) whether government real estate price supports will last forever, or will they eventually end;
2) whether the government will succeed in keeping real estate prices propped up, even if that is their intent.
Answer those two questions successfully and invest accordingly, and you can make yourself a wealthy man.
There are some places where prices never became sane. I think that will rectify itself in the repop.
The repop!
I like that the REPOP.
You’d think so. For one thing, the myth that rich Californians are driving prices skyward is pretty much dead as a doornail at this point in the Housing Bubble.
Falling housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is nothing to fear.
Why entertain thieving lying Realtors anyways?
Gulf Breeze, FL Sale Prices Plummet 17% YoY As Housing Demand Plummets Statewide
http://www.zillow.com/gulf-breeze-fl/home-values/
Florida Housing Demand Plummets 8% YoY; Turns Negative First Time Since 2009
http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/State/State_Turnover_AllHomes.csv
Miami, FL Sale Prices Turn Negative YoY; Down 3% In A Month
http://www.zillow.com/miami-fl/home-values/
Key Largo, FL Sale Prices Crater 17%QoQ; Down 13% On Month
http://www.zillow.com/key-largo-fl/home-values/
Remember….. falling prices and deflation is your wallets best friend.
Thanks for reminding me. Saturday is the day I pull out some fiat from my bank and stuff my wallet.
It’s fun to enrage Debt Donkeys with buckets o’ money.
Selfishly having lots of fun staying on top of my finances and nutrition. Knowing I could easily buy 5 new models of my car with my cash and T-bills.
You know, every once in awhile I pi$$ off someone when they pin me down and ask if I own a house and then I tell them no. I can tell they are pi$$ed by their reaction.
The question I should ask them is “why should I own a house?”
The reactions that I get are normally a knowing look suggesting I don’t have a clue, or a generous offer to educate me in the errors of my thinking.
I can’t recall having ever met a Californian who thought it might be more financially prudent to not buy a house and rent one instead.
Me neither W-A-B. They must be high on Kool-Aid.
I guess yellen was telling all the poor people to get rich this week.
Is it even possible for everyone to be rich? Do we have enough resources for everyone to consume like mad?
Another thought crossed my mind about the availability of resources. Is it just one big pie and everyone has a chunk of it? Does it mean that these rich people like buffet actually take away resources from other people?
I know in CA there are certain industries that you will never get rich cause you cant even compete. There are so many regulations out there that there is no way you could get rich in certain fields.
Seems like some of the people getting rich are the ones using shareholders as a stepping stone.
Another way I see of getting rich is coming up with a great idea.
Is it possible to get really rich by working a 9-5?
You’ll get poor in a hurry by paying grossly inflated prices for rapidly depreciating assets like houses.
IMO, we’ve slow walked into a really bad situation. We need capitalism to prosper, and we got none in the housing market, for one:
‘Home loans to lower-income Americans are dwindling as Washington regulators and major banks continue to haggle over who pays when riskier mortgages go bad. Federal Housing Administration loans, given to borrowers with weaker credit scores and requiring small down payments, plummeted 19 percent in the nine months ending June 30 compared with a year earlier.’
“The government is worried about access to credit. They’re looking at volume numbers, and they know it’s a serious problem,’ said Brian Chappelle, a former FHA official and partner at Potomac Partners LLC, a consulting firm for lenders in Washington.’
Why is this the governments problem? Because they took over the entire industry and won’t let it go.
‘Back in 1999, the average household made $56,895 in today’s dollars. That number took a hit when the dot-com bubble burst and never reached the same high note again. It plummeted once more during the Great Recession and has slinked lower through the recovery. That middle-of-the-road household is now making $51,939. In other words, for the past 15 years, a growing economy has failed to translate into rising incomes.’
‘Summers notes that continually blowing asset bubbles and trying to staunch the bleeding when they pop is not exactly a brilliant macroeconomic policy. “A strategy that relies on interest rates significantly below growth rates for long periods of time virtually guarantees the emergence of substantial bubbles and dangerous build-ups in leverage,” he wrote. His big idea is just to have the government run deficits in perpetuity, supplying the demand that the great swath of American middle-income households can no longer supply. Improving worker skills and boosting exports would help, too.’
I’ll say it again; these people are freaking idiots. They shouldn’t be running a lemonade stand. But we just let them take over the majority of the economy and run it into the ground. Then the media sits around all butt-hurt and broke and wonders how it happened.
yeah it seems they keeping making mistakes over and over again and just printing money to put bandaids on things.
No one is ever held accountable and they just pass the buck to the next guy.
Its like barney frank. He basically helps destroy the economy and then cnbc has him on as a contributor for advice, wtf?
Its like they let wall street party for a long time and then when sh@t hits the fan they are the backstop.
Getting back to getting rich . I’m just not seeing the opportunities out there in a lot of fields. There are like 100,000,000.00 people who cant even find a job.
There is no opportunity if you beleive there is no opportunity. It won’t be 9-5, but success in any field rarely is. If you are comfortable, that is not good for your desire to get rich.
“Why is this the governments problem? Because they took over the entire industry and won’t let it go.”
P.S. The same reasoning extends to explain why it is now the government’s implicit responsibility to maintain elevated housing prices.
A government as massively indebted as ours (the Fed balance sheet alone is $17 billion to cover its binge of money-printing, not to mention to toxic-waste MBS garbage they conveniently took off the hands of their bankster accomplices and transferred to the public books instead) fears deflation, or natural price discovery, above all else. Hence Auntie Janet and her successors will hyperinflate rather than let prices sink to what an increasingly impoverised 99% can actually afford to pay.
The Fed cannot hyperinflate in any way I can see. They can make money to lend, and now we see they can make money to buy toilet paper from their member banks, still the money has to be lent to cause any inflation. The inflation of the past 40 years has been based on people’s willingness and ability to borrow. When debt exhaustion hits, the game is deflation. Learn how to play sooner rather than later.
1921 shows us allowing deflation of ALL prices is the best thing in the world.
“still the money has to be lent to cause any inflation.”
There it is… Print $50 Quadrillion and store in bunkers and it still won’t cause inflation. Further to the point; Even if it’s borrowed as a substitute to wages dollar for dollar, it’s still not inflation.
‘When debt exhaustion hits, the game is deflation. Learn how to play sooner rather than later.’
That seems the Occam Razor explanation sure enough. However, I envision it to be deflation in things we do not need utmost and inflation in staple items like gasoline and food and insurance. Sorry, but yeah, deflation can happen in the big ticket items like houses but it is hard to grasp how that will happen unless interest rates go higher for one, and two, people get very disillusioned about mortgaging a house and/or the demand drops off the map because the cash flow dries up.
I tend to believe the whole thing about maintenance and taxes on houses do depreciate them as an investment. This buy higher, sell higher mentality for houses will run out of greater fools.
“…inflation in staple items like gasoline…”
San Diego gas price drops to lowest amount since mid-February
Story Published: Sep 17, 2014 at 12:44 PM PDT
SAN DIEGO (CNS) - The average price of a gallon of self-serve regular gasoline in San Diego County dropped Wednesday to its lowest amount since Feb. 13, decreasing seven-tenths of a cent to $3.763.
The average price has decreased 65 times in the past 72 days, dropping 39 cents over that span, including four-tenths of a cent on Tuesday, according to figures from the AAA and Oil Price Information Service.
The average price is 4.2 cents less than one week ago, 9 cents lower than one month ago and 26.7 cents cents below what it was one year ago.
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Once you break it, you are going to own it.
–Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell
That was a wonderful bit of sophistry. Says who we gotta own it? Globalist Meddlers who want decades of tax money spent on the clean up?
All this PC war stuff is just indicative of how spoiled we are that we even have the option to think about what we should do after we win. That ain’t a war, that’s meddling.
We were discussing housing policy, not war.
Colin Powell’s use of the ‘Pottery Barn Rules’ described the possible aftermath when the U.S. steps in and wipes out a sovereign government.
My quote was in reference to the consequences of U.S. economic authorities using taxpayer-subsidized intervention to effectively wipe out private markets, as has happened with housing finance, including mortgages and PMI.
Different settings, similar results.
My bone to pick is with Colin Powell and his oft repeated canard. Not you. I may not even disagree with your point related to housing. I’ve just been looking to point out that quote and it’s reasoning are generally bogus and a setup.
“Another thought crossed my mind about the availability of resources. Is it just one big pie and everyone has a chunk of it?”
No. The size of the pie and distribution of the chunk size depends on the system of governance.
For instance, central planning tends to produce an ever-smaller pie over time, and smaller pieces for all individuals except a shrinking pool of pig men.
well there is some truth to that.
is there unlimited wealth for everyone to get rich? Or is this a carrot being dangled?
What if you can live without all that stuff?
It’s not a choice between “unlimited wealth” and “one big (fixed) pie” — the truth lies somewhere in between, and the effectiveness of production and distribution depends heavily on the system of governance.
is there unlimited wealth for everyone to get rich? Or is this a carrot being dangled?
Our poorest today would be considered tremendously wealthy by Great Depression standards.
We have the productive capacity to provide a very high standard of living to everyone in the country with fewer and fewer workers and that dynamic is only increasing.
What do you do with a society where only 10 percent need to work to provide for the rest at a high standard? We’re getting there.
Conversely what do you do with all those on the Dole? The Dole robs you of your spirit and destroys initiative.
“What do you do with a society where only 10 percent need to work to provide for the rest at a high standard? We’re getting there.”
Agreed. The problem today is much more about fair and effective allocation, not production. And it is getting worse.
The US economy is only 25% of the world economy. Yet it prints the world’s real money. What happens when a country like Brazil cannot control it’s currency -
The next problem will not be caused by the USA but by instability in a fairly large country. They cannot print their way out of trouble but they can price their products at a much cheaper price - overnight.
If a major country suddenly devalues their currency to allow easier competition of their products, most of which originate in their home country, then it probably would start a trade war.
Much worse than fooling with a currency. Ms Yellen knows this but continues to believe she is in charge.
“Seems like some of the people getting rich are the ones using shareholders as a stepping stone.”
It pays well to be a darling of the Wall Street/Silly Valley printing press money conduit.
I guess yellen was telling all the poor people to get rich this week.
Let’s face it: a lot of poor people remain that way because they are unintelligent and make poor choices, i.e. they are DNC entitlement voters even though the DNC (like the GOP) has been bought and paid for by the Wall Street grifters.
So while the average Obama Zombie may have a dim perception they were sold a bill of goods, they lack the intelligence to grasp the full magnitude of how badly they, and the country, are being screwed by the .1%.
Visit Alabama some time. The poor there are staunch Republicans that hate Obama.
I don’t think it’s possible for everyone in China to get rich, but I do think it’s possible for tens of millions of them to be well off the rest of their lives (if they take themselves and their wealth out of China).
Let’s imagine 50 million rich people. I think that is possible. And why do you think they have to be confined to a certain area? They can invest internationally and I certainly do invest internationally. I think it’s possible for 1/6 or more of the USA population to be rich and well off the rest of their lives.
I used to live in CA, but now in live in AZ. AZ is far more regulated than CA, contrary to popular belief. All the regulations in AZ are tilted in favor of those with vast funds.
crater
Try to buy an AR-15 at a mainstream gunshop in Cali. Then tell me about over-regulated.
except for gun stuff
I’ll say it again; these people are freaking idiots.
I respectfully disagree. They are thoroughly evil and corrupt, but they are not stupid by any means. People like Robert Rubin, Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, and the other Goldman Sachs plants who have captured our economic and monetary policy have succeeded brilliantly at facilitating the most egregious rip-off in history: the massive transfer of wealth and assets from the 99% (who willingly voted for their own economic destruction) to the 1%.
I’m sure having a hard time remembering which Fed chair I voted for in the last election!
You’re leashed instead of them.
I gave up attempting to understand if these monsters are stupid, evil or both. The end result of their misconduct is a disaster of unprecedented size and scope. And make no mistake, their actions cant be interpreted as anything but official misconduct considering they are deliberate in imposing their disastrous “policies”.
If you want to understand their policies, as a simple question: cui bono? (who benefits?). The answer to that is crystal clear.
I’m sure having a hard time remembering which Fed chair I voted for in the last election!
If you voted for Clinton, Bush, Obama, McCain, or Romney in any recent elections, you voted for whatever Fed chair the Republicrat duopoly annointed to rule over you.
The last time a Republican president was elected without a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket was 1928.
Add if you voted for any Roosevelt or any president named Adams or Jefferson also. Do you really think you live in a representative democracy?
So you are saying Bush was responsible for Reagan’s election?
So you are saying Bush was responsible for Reagan’s election?
I am saying everyone should focus on improving themselves and their own lot in life, their family and their neighborhood.
Forget about pretending the oligarchs’s choices for you are somehow an actual choice.
‘they are not stupid by any means’
I’m not talking about intelligence, but their policies. Yellen had the nerve to talk about poor people just one paycheck away from blah blah. What about these high house prices Janet? Ever think that might be making things harder for poor people? Stop buying MBS, sell some of those foreclosures you bought. Stop giving wall street money to drive up prices!
These policies are nuts, and we put our hands in our pockets and can’t figure out why nothings there? It’s not hard; houses and house prices don’t create jobs. It’s a consumption. Yet that’s the Fed’s big plan! It’s not a secret.
Then it doesn’t work, and what happens? We sit here and listen to even bigger idiots tell us we need space aliens or some crap. Yes, I think when someone starts talking about space aliens and the economy, we are listening to a freaking idiot. And most of what passes for economic planning these days isn’t too far from Krugman’s foolishness. Oh, we’ll print money! Let’s all get rich on walkie-talkies made in China, or some Chinese IPO, that does what exactly? And the house! We’ll flip houses! I bet right now there are reality TV shows running on flipping houses. After how many years, and people are still flipping houses?
What reality TV won’t tell you about flipping houses
Gremlyn Bradley-Waddell, Special for The Republic 5:49 p.m. MST July 23, 2014
Marty Boardman
(Photo: Rebekha Hahn Pailliotet)
Guilty pleasures as they may be, those so-called “reality” TV shows featuring flippers — folks who profit from turning neglected dwellings into comfortable, turnkey homes — drive Marty Boardman, well, flipping crazy.
The Gilbert-based flipper, who does most of his work these days in Milwaukee due to the narrow profit margins he found in the Valley, has perhaps a better understanding than most people of what goes into these shows.
“It’s difficult for me to sit through any reality show, because I know so much about the formula,” said Boardman, a former television-news cameraman, referring to the shows’ need for a protagonist, an antagonist and an artificial deadline to stir up plenty of drama.
Although he doesn’t want to ruin anyone’s enjoyment of these shows — they have their appeal, he admits — the author of “Fixing and Flipping Real Estate: Strategies for the Post-Boom Era” ($19.99, Apress, 2012) is always happy to point out things he thinks the shows get wrong about the business. His top bugaboos include:
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What does house flipping add to the economy? Sure, they spend some money on counters and flooring, but the buyer borrows and pays for that ultimately. Somehow, the house magically grows in value over the space of the time to do this little bit of work? It’s a illusion. And way too many people have embraced it.
It’s hard to say where this all began. The first big policy lie I can remember is being told we are going to become a consumer based economy. I was in my late teens and I could see that was BS. Lo and behold, in ten years the US went from being the biggest creditor country to the biggest debtor. Despite the complete bankruptcy of the concept, it’s still the dominate economic policy! We just need people to borrow and spend. Give them more credit! Have the government borrow money and pay them to dig ditches and fill them in, so they can make the monthly payments. And when they can’t make the payments, bail out the lenders and start all over again. It just flat cannot work.
I thought you just moved to a new location somewhere in the U.S. so you could buy and sell foreclosed houses.
I’ve never participated in selling a house, except my own years ago after I moved out of it. I did sell a lot a lender gave the company I manage. That was after I determined we didn’t have a use for it. I talking about buying a house and selling it, primarily based on appreciation.
Anybody contemplating a business has to ask themselves, what will I be doing? Why should someone give me their money to invest, or to live in the house I manage? For the investor, it’s reliable returns. For the tenant, it’s a safe, comfortable shelter that they can afford. I have to do both.
What is a foreclosure, or a distressed sale? A property that someone needs to get out from under. This is a situation where I can function to take a non-performing asset and turn it into a performing asset. But there’s a friction; I have to get it at a price that allows me to provide for the investor and the tenant. So my challenge then is to secure the price that suits the seller, investor and tenant. This includes an accurate assessment of what it will cost to put it into livable condition, maintain it and what affordable rents will be. And there is the ongoing management. All of this is much different from someone who takes out a loan, puts in some granite counter tops and puts a sign in the yard, expecting to make a hundred grand for doing almost nothing.
“Despite the complete bankruptcy of the concept, it’s still the dominate economic policy!”
Given political inertia, it takes a VERY long time for the inside-the-Beltway set to recognize the folly of their ways.
Creating a product (rental housing) that both gives investors a return and that tenants can afford? Thereby creating an economic transaction that benefits BOTH parties at the same time? How horribly passe - that sounds like my grandfather’s version of capitalism.
Time to get with the program of New “Capitalism”, made up of multiple win-lose relationships. What you SHOULD be doing is trying to squeeze as much money as possible from the tenant, regardless of your input costs, profit margin, or what they can afford. Ideally, the tenant should need two jobs to afford to rent from you. And your investors should probably start a payday loan business, because your tenant sure will need it.
The foreclosure victim who used to own the house should notice that your investors are raking in money, and should sue you and the bank for damages. Think of how many lawyers you’ll hire!
Next, the tenant, also with a lawyer, should complain to the local gov’t, and apply for a rent voucher funded by the tax payer. The local gov’t will then raise yours and everyone’s property taxes to cover the voucher, plus a little extra for them to keep, because why not?
Hopefully the tenant will build up great resentment toward you and your investors. That way they can trash the house without feeling bad. This is a good thing, because you will have to employ several people to repair the damage.
And that’s how we get full employment in the 21st century.
Sincerely,
Paul Krugman
The shift from a production-based economy - which is how wealth is created - to Wall Street’s speculative casino has been going on ever since LBJ ended honest money in 1964 (and accelerated when Tricky Dick took us off the gold standard). The oligarchs know full well how their raping the 99%, but occasionally have to throw out “we feel your pain” platitudes to the sheep, who they depend on to mindlessly keep electing the .1%’s Republicrat enablers.
And most of what passes for economic planning these days….
That’s just it, any planning is done not with the overall interests of the country in mind, but with the interests of the rich or connected interest groups. Housing is one of those interest groups as we all unfortunately know.
‘People like Robert Rubin, Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, and the other Goldman Sachs plants who have captured our economic and monetary policy have succeeded brilliantly at facilitating the most egregious rip-off in history: the massive transfer of wealth and assets from the 99% (who willingly voted for their own economic destruction) to the 1%.’
And what was our means of backlash after that? Occupy Wall Street? Which got shot down quickly as it was treated as a spoiled kid’s temper tantrum party.
Restlessness is growing among the serfs.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/19/catalonia-parliament-independence-referendum-vote
A sizeable bloc denizens living unhappily under the misrule of “former” Goldmanite Rajoy, undeterred by Scotland’s “no” vote for independence (and escape from the City of London banksters and their Parliament), are getting poised to go their own way, despite the Establishment status quo informing them a referendum is illegal and they must return to the sheep pens.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11109234/Defiant-Catalans-push-ahead-for-independence-referendum.html
If you like your police-state tactics, you can keep your police-state tactics.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/19/illinois-judge-swat-raid-parody-twitter-peoria-mayor
A US LibroCon dream date.
Not a peep from the “progressives,” as usual.
Of course not. They never squeal when their savior holds office.
The military police industry enjoys support from both sides of the aisle in Congress.
How do you manage to view this as a “Progressive” problem? You on drugs, boy?
Wither the burgeoning emerging market economies.
It’s a wonder news like this doesn’t show up in share prices.
ft dot com > Markets >
beyondbrics
September 19, 2014 1:55 pm
IMF warns of emerging markets slowdown
By Robin Harding in Washington
Emerging markets are suffering an unprecedented and broad-based slowdown that threatens the future of the global economy, researchers at the International Monetary Fund have warned.
Not only did emerging market growth stall in the wake of the financial crisis, it has kept falling across a wide range of countries and unlike in advanced economies the IMF does not forecast a recovery.
The slowdown marks a big change in the pattern of global growth and the spillovers could hurt advanced economies, too, warn the researchers.
“Emerging markets as a group were growing at about 7 per cent before the crisis,” said Hamid Faruqee, a division chief in the IMF’s research department. “We now see them growing at about 5 per cent going forward.”
The Fund’s paper finds that growth is slower across a swath of developing countries, not just the largest economies such as China and India. Expansion rates in more than 90 per cent of emerging markets are lower than before the 2008 turmoil.
“The slowdown seems to be quite broad based,” said Mr Faruqee. Such a synchronised deceleration is unique outside of a recession or financial crisis.
According to the IMF research, trade links are an important reason for the slowdown, with emerging markets suffering from weaker growth in their trading partners. But there are also signs of deeper problems, with evidence that productivity improvements are contributing less to growth.
Real GDP growth
“The fact that we project some rebound in growth for the advanced economies and are lowering it for the emerging economies is suggestive of something internal among the EMs,” said Mr Faruqee.
According to the IMF’s estimates, a one percentage point slowdown in emerging market growth lowers growth in advanced economies by quarter of a percentage point because of reduced trade.
That means the 2 percentage point reduction in emerging market growth since before the financial crisis could mean a 0.5 percentage point reduction in growth for rich countries such as the US. This suggests the weakness in developing countries could be an important reason for the recent growth disappointments in advanced economies.
Developed and emerging econmies
The IMF said an emerging market slowdown could also mean lower commodity prices and possible trouble for banks that have overextended their lending in countries where growth has abated.
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First reaction to that is if the emerging markets are slowing down, it is because the bankers want them to slow down right now. Huh? I just do not picture these states as having a choice in the matter. What kind of armies do emerging markets have?
Armies of consumers and producers? (Thinking of China and India here…)
Markets
China’s Central Bank Injects $81 Billion Into Top Banks to Counter Slowdown
Economists Warn More Stimulus May Be Needed
By Lingling Wei
Updated Sept. 17, 2014 12:38 a.m. ET
China’s central bank has opened its spigot to a certain extent. Heard on the Street columnists Alex Frangos, Aaron Back and Abheek Bhattacharya debate what this means for the economy.
BEIJING—China’s central bank is injecting 500 billion yuan ($81 billion) into the country’s five major state-owned banks as it moves to counter slower-than-expected growth in the world’s No. 2 economy, according to a senior Chinese banking executive.
The move contributed to a rise in Asian markets early Wednesday, but falls short of a more sweeping effort, such as an interest-rate cut, to lift the economy, showing that Beijing is continuing to use targeted measures. (Latest: China Home Prices Weaken)
Some Chinese bankers and executives doubt the measure will do much to help rev up economic activity, pointing to sagging demand for loans from businesses due to the gloomy economic outlook.
Economists also warned that the move may not be enough, and that Beijing may face growing pressure to adopt more broad-based stimulus measures if momentum weakens further.
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It’s a good thing for China that oil prices are dropping.
Perhaps you haven’t calculated what that does to GDP numbers…
http://www.businessinsider.com/china-was-blasted-back-to-2008-this-weekend-2014-9
China released a bunch of grim economic data this weekend, the worst of it being industrial production, which slowed to its lowest level since doom year 2008.
It’s a flashback nobody in markets wants to experience and indicates that, unless the government wants to step in, China will be shrinking for the near term at the very least.
Brace for cascading defaults. Most leveraged economy in the world.
If only ABQDan were here to either assure us it ain’t so, or otherwise to change the subject to Obama.
China, Singapore slowdown weigh on Q3 Asia business sentiment
MUMBAI Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:28am IST
A woman in a wedding gown and a tourist (2nd R) pose for photos with the skyline of the financial district of Singapore at Marina Bay August 22, 2014. REUTERS/Edgar Su/Files
(Reuters) - Business sentiment among Asia’s top companies fell sharply in the third quarter, weighed down by worries about China’s slowing economy, a possible end to the U.S. Federal Reserve’s stimulus policy and a decline in the outlook for regional economic hubs like Singapore, a ThomsonReuters/INSEAD survey showed.
The ThomsonReuters/INSEAD Asia Business Sentiment Index fell to 66 in the third quarter from 74 in the previous quarter, its steepest decline in three years. A reading above 50 indicates an overall positive outlook.
Companies in India were the most positive with a maximum score of 100 for the second consecutive quarter after pro-business leader Narendra Modi was elected prime minister.
In contrast, Taiwanese businesses were the most negative, with a score of 33.
“While growth is still robust across Asia, businesses are grappling with a number of challenges, including worries about rising interest rates as the Fed begins to press the brakes,” said Frederic Neumann, the Hong Kong-based co-head of Asian economic research at HSBC.
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ft dot com
August 29, 2014 3:43 pm
Brazil’s economy slips into recession
By Joe Leahy in São Paulo
The Christ the Redeemer statue looks out over Guanabara Bay in this aerial photo taken in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on Friday, Aug. 22, 2014. Brazilian analysts reduced their 2014 economic growth estimate for the 13th straight week after consumer confidence dropped to the lowest since the recession of 2009. Photographer: Dado Galdieri/Bloomberg©Bloomberg
Brazil’s economy suffered a technical recession in the first half of this year, with two consecutive quarters of contraction, dealing a blow to President Dilma Rousseff’s bid for re-election in October.
Gross domestic product declined 0.6 per cent in the second quarter, when Brazil hosted the start of the 2014 soccer World Cup, compared with the previous three months, while the first quarter was revised down from positive 0.2 per cent to negative 0.2 per cent, said IBGE, Brazil’s national statistics agency.
Brazil’s benchmark equity index, the Bovespa, rose 0.59 per cent in early trade on hopes that the poor performance would lead to a change of government.
“We believe that this contraction is largely a temporary effect caused by the reduction of business days during the World Cup,” Itaú-Unibanco said in a research report. “However, the data already available for the third quarter show weaker-than-expected recovery.”
Brazil’s economy has been flirting with recession for some time after a series of quarters in which growth has been stagnant, inflation near the top of the central bank’s target range and investment and consumer sentiment weak.
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Sep 16, 2014 10:43AM ET / Russians in Ukraine
Russia Is Teetering on the Edge of a Recession
Polly Mosendz
AP Photo/Alexander Zemlianichenko, Pool
Former Russian finance minister Alexei Kudrin has a warning for Kremlin officials: Russia is dangerously close to a recession. Kudrin’s analysis comes just after the European Union and United States announced increased sanctions against Russia, including a hit to Russia’s oil sector and financing options. Kudrin believes that because Russia is not investing heavily enough in their own economy, they are decreasing their own chances of successfully surviving increased sanctions.
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The Russian Ruble is looking sickly these days, which will make it harder for them to repay all that foreign debt they’ve racked up.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/Currency/USDRUB?countrycode=US
Sux to be a foreign creditor of a nation with a devaluing currency…
Europe News
Germany Economic Outlook Weakens
Uncertainty in Eurozone and Effect of Sanctions Against Russia Weigh on Sentiment
By Todd Buell
Updated Sept. 16, 2014 7:16 a.m. ET
MANNHEIM, Germany—The German economic outlook weakened in September, a survey of financial analysts released Tuesday showed, suggesting that uncertainty over the eurozone economy and the effect of sanctions on Russia continues to weigh on sentiment.
Still, the decline in the sentiment index—compiled by research institute ZEW—isn’t necessarily a cause for grave concern, analysts said, noting the German economy remains in good position for a resumption of growth after a small contraction in gross domestic product during the second quarter.
The lead indicator of the ZEW survey declined to 6.9 in September from August’s 8.6. Economists polled ahead of the release by The Wall Street Journal had forecast the indicator to fall to 5.0. The indicator for current conditions fell sharply to 25.4 from 44.3, well below expectations of 41.0. The lead expectations indicator hit its lowest level since December 2012.
Analysts, however, cautioned not to read too much into the data, which is highly sensitive to swings in financial markets. Surveys of purchasing managers and other business leaders are typically eyed more closely as a gauge of economic activity.
“The predictive power of the ZEW index has to be taken with more than a pinch of salt. For example, the current assessment component increased throughout the second quarter, while growth actually turned out to be negative,” said ING economist Carsten Brzeski in a research note.
“Deteriorating sentiment is not exactly good for growth. However, our own assessment is that while German growth might be somewhat slower in [the second half of the year] than it was in [the first half], it will remain in positive growth territory,” wrote BNP Paribas economist Evelyn Herrmann.
German GDP contracted by 0.2% in the second quarter from the first, or 0.6% at an annualized rate, but that was after strong annualized growth of about 3% in the first three months of the year.
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Japan News
Japan Cuts September Economic Assessment
First Downgrade to Cabinet Office’s Overall Economic View in Five Months
By Alexander Martin
Updated Sept. 18, 2014 9:31 p.m. ET
Pedestrians crossing at the Shibuya intersection in Tokyo. Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
TOKYO—Japan downgraded its overall assessment of the economy in September for the first time in five months, as poor summer weather weighed on consumption, raising further questions over the viability of pushing ahead with a second sales-tax increase after the first one in April hurt demand and stalled growth.
In its monthly economic report released Friday, the government cut its assessment of private consumption, saying it appeared “to be pausing recently” as typhoons and record downpours pummeled Japan this summer. While it said the economy was still on the path to a “moderate recovery,” attention should be paid to the lingering impact of the April 1 tax increase to 8% from 5%.
Economists and policy makers are closely following how the economy is responding to the higher tax rate, following a spending surge before its implementation that saw the economy grow 6% in the January-March quarter. A pullback in demand, however, saw the economy shrink 7.1% in the April to June quarter, heightening concerns that the tax rise is taking a greater-than-expected toll on the economy.
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David Stockman on Obama’s “war” (or whatever it’s being called) on ISIS.
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-tower-of-babel-comes-to-paris-the-folly-of-obamas-war-on-isis/
Why Does Obama Describe the Islamic State as ‘ISIL’ Instead of ‘ISIS?’
September 9, 2014 By Matthew Burke
Many of even the most casual observers have noticed that virtually all news organizations (not to mention the terrorist organization themselves), refer to the Muslim terrorist group as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.
That is everyone with the exception of the Obama regime, who in robotic lockstep refer to the evil, barbaric, and subhuman group of beheaders, not as ISIS, as the rest of the world does, but as ISIL, which stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
So what’s the difference? What’s the big deal? And why is the Obama regime going to such organized contortions to go against the grain of the established name?
Two journalists, Chuck Todd, who just took over NBC’s Meet the Press from David Gregory’s failed tenure as the long-running political show host, had one take on the regime’s obsession in trying to cram “ISIL” down everyone’s collective throats, stating that Obama doesn’t like dealing with the last “S” in the abbreviation, as it stands for Syria, another of his failed foreign policies.
“Obviously, we refer to it at NBC News as ISIS,” Todd explained during his first time as full-time host of the program that he is commissioned with bringing back the to its former glory days under deceased former legendary host Tim Russert. “The Obama administration, the president says the word ‘ISIL.’ The last ‘S’ stands for Syria. The last ‘L’ they don’t want to have stand for Syria.”
The word “Levant” encompasses a much larger area of land, which included Syria, the area referred to as Palestine, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and parts of Turkey, according to Al Jazeera, the Middle East media outlet owned by the oil-rich country of Qatar, who purchased “Current TV” in the U.S. for $500 million from global warming huckster Al Gore.
FOX News’ Harris Faulkner issued an even stronger criticism of the Obama Democrat Machine’s insistence with using ISIL over ISIS on Outnumbered last week, in speaking with fellow panelists Ainsley Earhardt and Jesse Watters. She said that Obama was giving the terrorist group a hat tip:
Ainsley Earhardt: “They changed the name in the middle of all this to ISIL. they don’t have the right to do that. We’re going to continue to call them ISIS.”
Harris Faulkner: “So our president is tipping his hat to them.”
Ainsley Earhardt: “They changed the name…”
Jesse Watters: “And I think the president doesn’t want to have it be just Iraq and Syria because that brings to mind the president’s failed policies in Iraq. which, he said the Iraq war was over. And Syria, which he drew the line and basically vacated it. When they say ‘Levant,’ that’s broadening it out and it kind of doesn’t remind people that this is his policy.
Roughly a year ago, the Obama regime, as well as a handful of Republicans like John McCain, were arguing to help ISIS, who they then referred to as “rebels,” in toppling the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.
That could have something to do with the Obama machine’s reluctance to remind the American people of that inconvenient truth.
http://www.tpnn.com/…/why-does-obama-describe-the-islamic-state-as-isil-instead-of-isis/ - 39k -
The “S” in ISIS doesn’t stand for Syria; it stands for Sham, which is older and covers a broader territory. Get your neo-con talking points straight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham
So it’s a Sham.
Which S is it?
IShamIS?
or
ISISham?
Now what do I do with the L?
It would be a lot easier if they just called it Al Qaeda.
ISIScia?
ISIS is too violent for Al Qaeda and was kicked out.
Supporting ISIS in Libya may not have been a smart move. As Ron Paul would say blowback is a biatch.
That’s RacIS’
Banksters Align Behind Globalist Climate Change Agenda
by Kurt Nimmo | Infowars.com | September 19, 2014
A cartel of globalist “development” banks has produced a report “on the need for economic collaboration to help nations adapt and avert the impact of climate change,” UPI reported on Friday.
The report was prepared by the African Development Bank, the Asian Development Bank, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the European Investment Bank, the Inter-American Development Bank, and the World Bank Group and appears ahead of a United Nations climate summit in New York next week.
So-called development banks get money from playing the financial markets and from “subscriber” nations, in other words from taxpayers in “rich” or “developed” countries.
The plan “requires mobilizing a wide range of financial resources, public and private, bilateral and multilateral, including alternative sources,” the report said.
Agenda 21
The report calls for Agenda-21 style “sustainable development” policies to combat disputed anthropogenic climate change, including “dense cities.” Carbonists argue “dense cities designed for efficiency offer one of the most promising paths to sustainability.”
Other “promising paths” include control of water allocation and distribution, outlawing private transportation in favor of “eco-conscious transportation modes,” and restricting individual use of nature to protect “biodiversity.”
In short, “smart growth” and “biodiversity” are about eliminating private property and the rights of the individual. “Sustainability” is about sustaining the global elite and creating an authoritarian globalist apparatchik to control the lives of billions of people.
Under Agenda 21 people “would be herded into ‘Smart Growth’ zones or ‘human settlements,’ where they would be confined to high-rise buildings. Individual rights, including private property rights, would be stripped away. Agenda 21/Sustainable Development documents call for reduction of the human population from the present 6.6 billion down to about 1 billion people, that is, by 85%,” writes Michael Shaw.
“Forget your dream of a two story home on your own piece of land. Instead the plan is to force us to settle for a nightmare. Conjure up an image of China,” writes Nancy Thorner, “specifically a city like Beijing with few private homes and massive apartment buildings. A place where people will likely live in zones connected by congested freeways, and all controlled by an untouchable government.”
Predatory Financial Class the Problem, Not Climate
Brazil’s Curitiba and Colombia’s Bogota are held up as admirable examples in the report.
“Far from an idyllic utopia, Curitiba faces the same problems that metropolises around the world do, including overcrowding, poverty, pollution and limited public funding,” writes Tim Gnatek. The city, however, has instituted an Agenda 21-styled “master plan” to “clean up the environment and also address poverty.”
Colombia has some of the worst poverty statistics in Latin America and one of the most stratified social systems in the world. More than a third of the country’s population lives below the poverty line, which is a dollar per day.
More than alleged climate change, Colombia is a victim of the financial class represented by the World Bank and its development banks.
“As a result of World Bank and IMF-sponsored policies, per-capita income in Colombia has plunged from $2,716 in 1997 to a current level of $1,890. Between 1997 and 2000, the percentage of Colombians living in poverty rose from 50.3% to 60.0%,” notes Tony Avirgan.
The World Bank thrives on economic predation. Climate change is merely the latest scheme designed to implement world government as the global elite abandon the Bretton Woods system and seek a more effective way to rule and control the world’s population and resources.
Banking fraud skyrockets in the UK. (I presume this doesn’t include the fraud committed by banksters).
http://rt.com/uk/189108-uk-banking-fraud-rise/
OK, Sears comment from yesterday. Richard Warren Sears was a marketing genius. He was a railroad employee, that bought a shipment of bad watches rejected by a jeweler, and with the eventual partnership with Roebuck, built a great company. Sears and Montgomery Wards even sold kit home through there catalogs 1908-1940 (Montgomery Wards=Wayward Homes). I am sad to see they lost their way in the retail jungle.
Eddie Lampert’s Ayn Rand mgmt style should have Sears battle Walmart for retail supremacy in a few years.
sears is basically using equity in the company to keep the doors open. They are losing money everyday the doors stay open.
Sfogliatelle….. fresh. And you ain’t getting any.
http://picpaste.com/pics/56eb3ebdba1c32f4406a4c15b0a05730.1411229728.jpg
Dude, did you cut Oxide’s feet off? That was not nice.
She got her hoofs hung up in a crater so we amputated.
Great, so now I will have to set up another charity. The Wigs for Bald Eagles fund is already hard enough to manage. Now there will be a Prosthetic Hooves for Oxide fund. Send donations to Ben’s account.
“Former” Goldmanite-turned-ECB head Mario Draghi trying to keep the EU ponzi going for awhile longer with ever-more QE, but finds the Germans - who of all people should know where central bank money-printing and currency debasement leads - ain’t playing along quite as well as he’d like.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-18/ecb-throws-a-party-nobody-shows-up
Ironically, the oligarchs who benefit the most from Fed and central bank money-printing are most congizant of the resultant debasement of the currency, and worse, that will result from such monetary policies, and are hedging accordingly.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11104055/Super-rich-rush-to-buy-Italian-Job-style-gold-bars.html
Are the sheeple finally awakening? Polls show the American public’s trust in the MSM is plummeting.
http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/09/good-news-americans-trust-in-news-media-plummets-according-to-poll/
Oligarchs for open borders laments its lack of success in realizing amnesty and unrestricted immigration. C’mon, America, Comrade Pelosi’s DNC permanant supermajority isn’t going to buid itself, you know, and those billionaires can only become trillionaires if they jettison those overpriced American workers for foreign wage slaves.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/20/President-of-Zuckerberg-Pro-Amnesty-Group-Resigns-After-Failing-to-Get-Amnesty-Passed
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SYRACUSE NY. ONE CAN NEVER PAY THIS HOUSE OFF AS THE REAL ESTATE TAXES WILL BE THERE FOREVER AND MORE LIKELY TO GO UP. I GUESS THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY MORE STATES LIKE NYS.
4257 FRASER FIR DR, POMPEY, NY 13104
http://www.remax.com/realestatehomesforsale/4257-fraser-fir-dr-pompey-ny-13104-gid400031421630.html
Same house listed by the Zillow
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4257-Fraser-Fir-Dr-Manlius-NY-13104/98109375_zpid/
Because nothing makes your point like SHOUTING!
No my computer keys were frozen. Sorry
No worries.
“No my computer keys were frozen. Sorry”
Don’t worry about it, Raymond K is flowing heavy today.
HA!
It’s got a 1.6 acre lot. What an abortion of a house.
If you are the bagholder trying to hold on by your fingernails after you lose your job, can’t find another one, are out of cash and out of options…you won’t even be able to grow your own food or have your own cow. Or go to the woodlot to get fuel to stoke up the ol’ woodstove during the six months of winter. Place likely has an HOA Gestapo as well.
Too bad, so sad.
The Tories, the UK equivilant to our Wall-Street owned GOP, are making good money off of flooding the UK with refugees and asylum seekers. Not hard to imagine well-connected Republicrats doing the same.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2763025/Hobnobbing-Tory-minister-millionaire-businessman-Hotel-Asylum-accused-making-millions-refugee-crisis.html
Will the economy ever be as good again as when the Clintons were in office?
Daily Intelligencer
September 19, 2014 9:05 a.m.
Will the Economy Ever Be As Good As It Was in the ’90s?
By Annie Lowrey
Pull on your Doc Martens, button up your flannel, tease up your bangs, and throw some Mariah on. This week, the Census Bureau came out with its big annual report on income and poverty in the United States, and it reconfirmed that as a country, we peaked in the late 1990s.
To be more specific, median household income peaked. Back in 1999, the average household made $56,895 in today’s dollars. That number took a hit when the dot-com bubble burst and never reached the same high note again. It plummeted once more during the Great Recession and has slinked lower through the recovery. That middle-of-the-road household is now making $51,939. In other words, for the past 15 years, a growing economy has failed to translate into rising incomes.
It is a big problem. And it goes a long, long way to explaining the squeeze lower and middle-income families feel. If the economy had kept on performing the way it did in the late 1990s, that median household would be making $20,000 more than it currently is. But forget a world where the 1990s lasted forever, where there was no Iraq War and no mortgage bubble. The latest findings raise a more modest question: Will we ever get back to where we were?
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Growth itself has become more anemic, too. To help explain why, let’s turn to another throwback, top Democratic policy mind Lawrence Summers, who just happened to be Treasury secretary in 1999. Of late, Summers has talked a lot about what he calls “secular stagnation.” The big idea is that the economy cannot achieve strong growth and low unemployment absent some kind of extraordinary policy intervention.
That extraordinary policy intervention is often really loose monetary policy and growing deficits. The modest expansion of the 2000s only happened under the aegis of the housing bubble, he points out. And today’s modest rates of growth are only happening because of the Federal Reserve’s aggressive asset purchases and insistence on leaving interest rates at scratch. (Those bang-up growth rates and rising median incomes in the 1990s also owe a lot to the froth of the dot-com bubble, it is worth noting.)
Summers notes that continually blowing asset bubbles and trying to staunch the bleeding when they pop is not exactly a brilliant macroeconomic policy. “A strategy that relies on interest rates significantly below growth rates for long periods of time virtually guarantees the emergence of substantial bubbles and dangerous build-ups in leverage,” he wrote. His big idea is just to have the government run deficits in perpetuity, supplying the demand that the great swath of American middle-income households can no longer supply. Improving worker skills and boosting exports would help, too.
But right now, deficits are falling and the Federal Reserve is planning on stepping back, rather than doing more. Growth is not translating into higher wages, or lifting median earnings by much. There is little to suggest that the middle class will start growing and feeling flush again. In short, 1999 levels of median income might still be nothing but a fantasy for the next five years of growth, or ten. But at least we have our flannels, scrunchies, and Mariah to soothe us.
Larry summers has been bought by the establishment so many times that he is confused as to who owns him.
Those were the days
I remember colleagues in the early-1990s predicting that if Bill Clinton were elected, the U.S. economy would go to hell in a hand basket. It didn’t turn out that way, though.
The lesson I learned from those eight years was one of the economic moral hazard problem facing any sitting U.S. president. There is a standing incentive to adopt policies which goose the economy while you are in office and leave your successor holding the bag.
Case in point: Housing policies to goad lenders into making subprime loans to low-income households, plus a $500K capital gains exclusion for sale of a primary residence, which served to kick the Housing Bubble into overdrive. GWB was left holding the bag on the subsequent collapse.
Typical hillbilly move. Drink up all the liquor and then get out while the getting is good!
That Clinton-era “prosperity” was enabled by epic scams and swindles by banksters and crony-capitalist insiders like Citigroup’s Rubin Rubin, with the bills landing on the US taxpayer in 2008.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-19/rethinking-robert-rubin
After he stepped away from Treasury in 1999, Rubin moved to Citigroup (C), and until 2009 he served as chairman of the executive committee and, briefly, chairman of the board of directors. On his watch, the federal government was forced to inject $45 billion of taxpayer money into the company and guarantee some $300 billion of illiquid assets. Taxpayers ended up with a 27 percent stake in Citigroup, which was sold in 2010 at a cumulative profit of $12 billion. Rubin gave up a portion of his contracted compensation—and was still paid around $126 million in cash and stock during a tenure in which his serenity has come to look a lot more like paralysis. “Nobody on this planet represents more vividly the scam of the banking industry,” says Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of The Black Swan. “He made $120 million from Citibank, which was technically insolvent. And now we, the taxpayers, are paying for it.”
Now that the Double Down is under way, what will happen next? How many tears will be shed? Will another recession crop up? Will Oxide ever get those new dancing shoes she needs?
phony scandals