The Avalanche Of Supply
Its Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Austin homeowners have enjoyed steadily rising property values for several years. ‘I’ll show them a house that’s dilapidated, tear down, almost and they’re still going for $300,000, and it’s ridiculous, but the thing is the comps around are supporting it,’ said real estate appraiser and broker Stan Laird. ‘People are paying it.’”
“Activity at the first of the new downtown-Brickell condo towers to be completed leads many to anticipate that a majority of units in condos under construction or announced will, like their immediate predecessors, add to the area’s rental base. Units at My Brickell started at less than $500,000. ‘It was built with no parking,’ said Peter Zalewski, principal of CraneSpotters.”
“Buyers of housing all across the city hit the pause button in the third quarter, in the face of stiff headwinds on the pricing front. While the median sale price for an apartment in the city hit $575,000, up 2% from a year earlier, both the dollar volume and the number of sales declined, according to the Real Estate Board of New York. n the Bronx and Staten Island, on the other hand, median sale prices dropped 7% and 2%, respectively. ‘Pricing has tempered activity,’ said Michael Slattery, senior VP for research at REBNY. ‘As prices start to go up, it’s pushing people out of the market.’”
“The median sales price of a home in Kitsap County was $249,950 in September, $7,000 more than in August, according to the Northwest MLS. Frank Wilson, managing broker of John L. Scott Real Estate, said about one-third of homes in Kitsap sell in the first 30 days after being listed, but about 30 percent of homes don’t sell after six months. ‘Even though the market has picked up, it is still important to price your home at or close to market value, otherwise buyers move on to purchase another home,’ Wilson suggested. ‘We are seeing a trend of buyers who are much more discriminating about what they are buying. Despite not having a lot of choices, buyers are willing to step aside from a transaction after an inspection if the home is not perfect.’”
“A large homebuilder active north and south of Kern County has moved into the Bakersfield market with its purchase of nearly 400 unfinished lots it plans to turn into homes for first-time and “move-up” buyers starting next year. Although Realtor Ronda Newport said she thinks Woodside will do well in Bakersfield, she expressed concern that 400 new homes could ‘flood the market’ and depress prices. ‘It would be nice to have new options and new builders come to town,’ she said. ‘I just don’t know, with high inventory, how that’s going to affect sales.’”
“Local homebuilder Matt Towery said he was less concerned about Woodside flooding the market than he was about the company’s price points. Noting local wages have not risen much lately, he pointed out some developers recently dropped prices on their home inventories in Bakersfield.”
“Although it hasn’t been reflected in prices, the number of homes being sold in Israel dropped sharply over the past year. As of June 30, there were 94,450 homes and apartments under construction in Israel; by August 31, 26,920 were still unsold, a very unusual situation in a country where, in recent years, apartments have been snapped up before the first foundation had been dug. That constitutes 28.5% of all apartments being built, a record high, beating the previous 25% record. Some experts believe that the slowdown in sales is likely to boomerang – that even though prices will be ‘discounted’ by 18%, prices will rise by an even greater amount, because contractors will slow down their construction efforts as the homes they are currently building remain unsold.”
“Asking rents have stalled in the capital cities after a spike in investment property purchases pushed up supply in the housing rental market. The rental market has become more affordable for tenants in Canberra and Perth as landlord returns fall. Sydney agents have reported ongoing demand from investors for new stock. Greencliff Realty, which is marketing properties in Chippendale’s Central Park development, said investors made up about 50 per cent of all buyers to date in the $2 billion project. ‘Although, we’ve seen a pause in rental growth over the September quarter, demand will continue to put upward pressure on rents in Sydney,’ Domain Group senior economist Andrew Wilson said.”
“A backlog of more than 400 unsold new housing units is acting as a drag on Regina’s housing market, according to Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. ‘What we are seeing for sure is that, for Regina, the unsold inventory - those units that have been completed, but remain unsold - the level has risen quite a bit,’ said Goodson Mwale, CMHC’s senior market analyst for Saskatchewan. Saskatoon home builders, who took their foot off the gas last year, seem to be putting the pedal to the metal this year. While total starts were down in September to 285 from 614 in September 2013, year-to-date starts were 2,671 versus 2,367 during the first three quarters of last year.”
“The public housing resale market continued to soften for the eighth consecutive month, with prices hitting a 20-month low as property curbs and a healthy stream of Build-to-Order flats continue to crimp activity, showed a flash report by the Singapore Real Estate Exchange. Century 21 CEO Ku Swee Yong expects the downward trend to stretch for three more years, given the ‘avalanche of supply’ in BTO flats, as well as the number of Executive and Private Condominium projects nearing completion.”
“Manager of research and consultancy at OrangeTee Wong Xian Yang said demand for rental flats have fallen in the wake of tightened foreign worker policies. Mr Ku added that falling rents for private property have led to some ‘cannibalisation’ on HDB units.”
“House prices in London have fallen for the first time in nearly four years, and will continue to do so, according to the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors. Charles Puxley, estate agent from the Chelsea branch, Jackson-Stops & Staff, said: ‘Traditionally September is a busy month for instructions in central London. This has not happened this year and there is notably very little activity at just over the £2m mark. Mansion tax it seems to be a real worry. It will decimate London prices.’”
“Further out in Enfield, Essex, Keith Barnfield of estate agents, FRICS, said: ‘Activity is yet to pick up after the holidays. More properties are staying on the market for longer and offers are being made below asking price.’”
“As the US Federal Reserve attempts to exit from its unconventional monetary policy, it is grappling with the disparity between the policy’s success in preventing economic disaster and its failure to foster a robust recovery. To the extent that this disconnect has led to mounting financial-market excesses, the exit will be all the more problematic for markets — and for America’s market-fixated monetary authority.”
“The operative view in central-banking circles has been that the so-called ‘wealth effect’ — when asset appreciation spurs real economic activity — would square the circle for a lagging post-crisis recovery. The persistently anemic recovery and its attendant headwinds in the US labor market belie this assumption.”
“Nonetheless, the Fed remains fixated on financial-market feedback — and thus ensnared in a potentially deadly trap. Fearful of market disruptions, the Fed has embraced a slow-motion exit from QE. By splitting hairs over the meaning of the words ‘considerable time’ in describing the expected timeline for policy normalization, Fed Chair Janet Yellen is falling into the same trap. Such a fruitless debate borrows a page from the Bernanke-Greenspan incremental normalization script of 2004-2006. Sadly, we know all too well how that story ended.”
Facebook is blocking any posts about Ebola. Imagine google will as well. My guess is that flu/ebola season will shut schools and tourism in NYC. Prices will plummet. Talked to some senior NYC officials yesterday. They are shifting bricks. I knew that this was the one to watch ever since Ebola Rest on and Preston’s The Hot Zone.RE in NYC will crash.
Don’t let Ebola infect your investment portfolio!
There is no “ebola season”.
Ebola wipes wonderfully off granite countertops.
A new disease is spreading…the Emoola Virus. It is affecting millions who are living beyond their means…
“History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man.”
I think “they” have Ebola contained just like they had housing under control
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ebola-remark-officials-meet-plane-leaving-philadelphia/story?id=26087286
Airline industry going down
… eeb eeb eBOLA!
So it would be “draconian” to put flight restrictions on people coming out of Ebola countries, but it’s totally cool to have all these problems where everyone is freaking out because they know that there are no restrictions. It would actually be less effort to simply put the restrictions in place. Anyone flying out of Ebola country should be quarantined for 21 days before they are allowed to go free in their destination country. If they have a fever, then they shouldn’t be allowed on the plane.
Such a simple solution, you would think the PTB would have already come up with that.
But how are politicians going to make hay out of this crisis if it is so readily contained?
Facebook is blocking any posts about Ebola.
NOPE. I have been posting about Ebola. regularly on my Facebook page for over a week. No problems with that. But thanks for the FUD, anyway.
It’s actually the president blocking them. Ebola…Obama… need I say more?
How do you know that Facebook is blocking Ebola posts? Did you try to post something?
NYC has a huge supply of luxe condos coming online. When it does we had better have a wave of absentee millionaires to enjoy it. Eb-la should solve that. Makes me want to go to a salad bar today. Somebody had better get a vaccine quick….
No worries on that, as an unlimited number of absentee Chinese millionaires are eagerly awaiting the chance to snap up more NYC investment properties.
One small glitch with that solution. There are only about 6,000 or so obscenely wealthy people in China. Those 6,000 people can buy property in any country that allows it. Within those countries, they have myriad territories, states, provinces, cities, etc to choose from. Within those areas, they have multitudes of actual units to choose from. They can buy land, single-family houses, condos, apartment units, commercial buildings, industrial space, or even stuff that is not real estate.
I’m pretty sure that NYC can lick the Chinese Billionaires (with a B).
“said real estate appraiser and broker Stan Laird. ‘People are paying it.’”
Banks are paying it. A few suckers sign up for it but not many. Remember…. Housing demand has fallen every year since 2006.
“The operative view in central-banking circles has been that the so-called ‘wealth effect’ — when asset appreciation spurs real economic activity — would square the circle for a lagging post-crisis recovery.”
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha … in other words pump up the prices and you pump up the so-called “wealth effect”, and when you pump the wealth effect “real economic activity” …
(bahahahahahahahaha, you gotta love it)
… “real economic activity” will once again prevail over the land.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
And all of this “real economic activity” will be powered by borrowed money of course, and this is where I come in.
Again, “You can’t lose with the stuff I use.”
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Line ‘em up, line up the potential debt slaves. All the dotted lines are there, all ready and waiting.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Bahahahahaha … what makes life so easy for me is the American people have been dumbed down so much and so far that they now have absolutely no fear - NO FEAR WHATSOEVER - of going deep - DEEP - WAY DEEP into debt, way over their heads into debt, so far into debt that they absolutely are dependent on debt - not only dependent on their own debt but dependent on the debt willingly taken on by strangers - strangers who will willing take on debt so as to bail their dumbed-down stupid asses out.
Bail them out of one debt hole so they can immediately start digging for themselves another debt hole.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah … what a nation of fools!
A nation of fools who pay an enormous amount attention to - to what! - to CREDIT SCORES, something that they would not care about one way or another if they had a lick of sense.
What happens when you put too many bricks in the donkey cart?
Speaking of credit scores … do any of you proles out there in HBB land know if credit scores are mentioned on dating sites?
It would seem to me that a good credit score would be of great interest to one seeking a lifetime partner the same way a good credit score is of interest to employers.
Anyone know?
“seeking a lifetime partner…”
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
“seeking a lifetime partner…”
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
Okay, if not a lifetime partner then just a partner that won’t ruin your finances.
It doesn’t take a lifetime to ruin a romantic partner’s finances; I’ve seen it done is six months.
One only has to lend money to ruin a relationship. Never mind about the credit score, you are not going to be paid back.
Okay, if not a lifetime partner then just a partner that won’t ruin your finances.
I think such a “partner” can ruin your finances in divorce court even if said “partner” has a pristine credit score.
Till debt do us part.
In my case till death do we part and after that I am a happy “free man”.
If you travel at all outside the U.S. I think that you will quickly notice that this is a universal trend … why don’t you visit Belgium or the Philippines or Peru or China or Australia or Canada or (fill in the name of any county) … then come back and post about borrowing and the willingness of people to become debt slaves … it’s everywhere.
Which simply means the collapse will be global.
That’s one thing that globalization will get you — a global collapse when debt donkeys get their comeuppance the world over.
Yes, we have been reading about all that in the news. The United States is the only one threatening to tighten the reigns. That’s why the US dollar is gaining ground so quickly.
” in other words pump up the prices and you pump up the so-called “wealth effect”, and when you pump the wealth effect “real economic activity””
Tell me if Hans and Franz are running this show - We will pump (clap) you up!!!
Bahahahahahahah!!! Indeed.
If the central banks are trying to produce real economic activity, then QE3 is toast. It no longer has any potential to produce real economic activity, and has outstayed its welcome. If, however, this is all talk, and the Federal Reserve doesn’t actually care about real economic activity, then we could see QE300 in our lifetimes.
I’m certain the Fed’s wealth effect has worked out great for the 0.1 percent who own almost all the wealth.
inventory is the indicator
prices lag
Austin and LA maybe the last perky markets
miami down
dalas etc will go w the oil patch
that’s all folks
With stock futures down by two percent before the opening bell, it seems as though traders have sniffed out the Fed’s dillemma and are running for cover well in advance of when the Fed normalizes interest rates. Try not to get trampled by the stampede of Wall Street bulls as they race en masse over the nearest cliff.
are running for cover well in advance of when the Fed normalizes interest rates ??
I think the sell-off has little if anything to do with the FED and interest rates…Its all about Europe right now IMO…If Germany is starting down the recession/disinflation road warning sirens go off in New York…
I have no opinion.
Rent or be owned for life
10-15 percent decline will DECIMATE the real estate market.
Easily attainable in the next 6 months in PHX.
Is that the % drop that you’re predicting?
You seem to be operating in the dark Donk.
10-15 percent decline will DECIMATE the real estate market ??
DECIMATE = Destroy….I dought that a 15% correction will Decimate any market….
It will be a lot more than 15 percent. What I am saying is that once it is down 15 percent people will freak out realizing that this is real and significant and that a decline just like last time can happen. 15 percent is the tipping point for Joe 6pack now for something that, of course, has already tipped.
Keep wishin it will only be 15 percent.
Keep wishing it will only be 15 percent ??
I am not wishing Chit dude…Your the one that posted it…You Like pigeon holeing people don’t you…
You will be.
If I remember my Roman history correctly, I think decimate means to destroy one tenth. Not sure how it has come to mean “obliterate”.
Let’s consult Merriam and Webster:
So inywayz, the Romans would kill 10% of their soldiers if they thought the lot of them were lousy. It was a way of scaring the rest into fighting against their will. That’s why Shillow’s use of the word is so apt. If 10-15% of the value is lost, then a bunch of the other value will be scared away.
Obliterate or annihilate refer to near complete destruction.
Decimation refers to the old Roman martial disciplinary practice of putting every 10th man in an insubordinate unit to death.
That’s how it started out now it means to kill or destroy. Language changes. Jeez such smarty pants.
A 1/10 decline in real estate prices would decimate highly leveraged investors in the U.S. market.
‘Metro Denver’s housing market started to cool in September, following typical seasonal patterns, according to a monthly report from Metrolist. The slower market showed up in single-family home prices, which dropped 3 percent to $319,819 in September.’
‘A year or so ago, Las Vegas housing prices were skyrocketing about 30 percent year-over-year each month, but the market has cooled considerably. The slowdown comes as investors, who bought cheap homes in bulk to turn into rentals after the recession hit, purchase fewer houses, and as more homes valleywide get ignored by potential buyers.’
“Our market is entering a more stable time,” GLVAR President Heidi Kasama said in the report.
‘As investors pull back, more homes are being left on the table. About 8,200 single-family homes were up for sale without offers by the end of September, up almost 30 percent from a year earlier.’
I will not be buying a $319,819 starter home.
It seems no one else is interested either.
I will not be buying a $319,819 starter home.
They’re much cheaper in places like Brighton and Aurora
Go snap one up, Goonie. They’re even cheaper if in the DIA flightpath
‘Does urbanization drive demand for new homes in China? The mismatch between supply and demand is the root of the country’s current property slump and one of the most confounding issues facing the world’s No. 2 economy. Empty apartments and falling home prices suggest China has too many houses.’
‘Mr. Gan’s estimates are the second from Southwestern University to pour cold water on the housing market. In June it said its survey showed more than one in five urban homes, or 49 million home, were vacant last year, including low-cost social housing.’
‘Real estate tycoon Ren Zhiqiang never seems to be afraid to air his views, often in strong terms, and when he airs them, a lot of people sit up and take notice. But one of Ren’s recent prognostications has drawn more interest than usual because he seems to have had a complete change of heart on where the Chinese property market is heading.’
‘Over the past few years, Ren has gained a reputation for being one of the firmest believers in the strength of the market. However, in a recent interview he said that, despite continued economic growth, it was looking more and more unlikely that the real estate market would be able to pull itself out of its current malaise.’
‘Ren, chairman of Huayuan Property Co Ltd of Beijing, has a strong market statistics base and a research team. Most of his forecasts in the past few years have proved to be accurate. For some industry insiders that has given Ren’s change of perspective extra credence, suggesting that China’s real estate market, especially in smaller cities with huge supply, now faces serious problems.’
“When the economy trends down, the real estate sector slackens too,” Ren said. “This rule applies the world over; China is no exception. Incomes and consumption are certain to weaken in this sluggish economy.”
Now that Ren has weighed in, I guess what everyone else has been saying for months on end must be true.
Confounding? I’m not confounded by that at all. The mean household income in China in 2012 was $2,100. I’m guessing that it’s not a lot higher now.
A 20% vacancy rate for the average urban area all over an entire country. Imagine that. Because the government can control things.
‘Never before have so many offices in the Netherlands been empty, according to research by Dutch property group DTZ Zadelhoff for the NRC. Currently, some eight million square metres of offices are vacant – the equivalent of 746 football pitches, the paper says. So far this year, new tenants have been found for just one million square metres.’
‘The low occupancy rate stems from the fact office construction projects have continued unabated since 2000, research chief Frank van der Sluys told the paper. The problem is worst in satellite cities such as Nieuwegein close to Utrecht, where one third of all office space is vacant.’
‘Efforts are underway in many places to convert offices into student hostels and homes for people entering the housing market for the first time.’
“Never before have so many offices….been empty”
Christopher Thornberg (Beacon Economics) just made a presentation at a commercial real estate lending conference and part of his presentation included comments on the office market. Basically, he said office space occupancy is stuck in 2009. While there has been some hiring, tenants are using space more efficiently and need less of it. Overall vacancy in the US is still about 16-17%, just as it was in 2009.
Excess empty office space. Excess empty housing units. And both are growing by the day.
“Basically, he said office space occupancy is stuck in 2009. While there has been some hiring, tenants are using space more efficiently and need less of it.”
From what I understand (and I am not claiming to know much about the subject) the trend for businesses is to have roving sales forces who store information in the cloud rather than in a desk or a filing cabinet.
Not needing a desk or a filing cabinet means one does not really need a office, only access to places in order to meet up with clients in places such as, say, a Starbucks.
Even before the “cloud” the office has been the laptop/notebook PC for quite some time, with access to the office servers via VPN connections.
Which allows one to live on a boat practically for free, hundreds of miles from said desk.
Is there any link to that info JM ??
One of the most revealing slides on office market trends presented by Dr. Thornberg, however, displayed Absorption vs. Employment Change in Los Angeles County Offices. These are trends affecting office markets all over the United States and not just L.A., in which office occupiers are taking less space and creating greater density per employee.
In L.A., since 2009 when the economy began recovering, employers have added more than 10,000 new office-employment jobs, yet office absorption since 2009 and through the middle of this year has been negative approximately 4 million square feet.
Here is one link: http://www.corfac.com/news-details.cfm?NewsID=1113
How can they afford that vacancy rate? Shouldn’t they all be bankrupt?
With low leverage, you can afford a higher vacancy rate. It isn’t pretty, but you can afford it.
With low leverage ??
And no leverage….
There are entire shopping centers that are completely empty all around the Phoenix area. Some are packed, and others are miniature ghost towns. People should be aware that trendiness comes and goes. You put a lot of investment (too much) into one geographic area thinking it’s “hot”, and then the hotness moves elsewhere. Never buy a place because it’s hot.
What happened to that poster from Netherlands, I think his name was nhz?
Seems like he stopped posting around the time his home country’s housing bubble popped. Most of his posts were of the nature, “Gee whiz, this ginormous bubble keeps inflating and is obviously going to last forever!”
He capitulated and bought a house shortly before the NHZ market began to crash. I felt sorry for him, even though I usually feel happy about people who lose their shirts after being stupid and buying houses for millions of dollars. He held out for so long; he was beaten down.
Seriously?
FYI this bubble is seemingly interminable. We are facing down a proposed rent increase in excess of our household income change, but the alternative is to move, and rents are very bubblelicious at the moment.
At what point will the market finally wipe out the investors who bought in the Echo Bubble? Can’t wait for it to happen!!!
Propose name be changed to Obola
You know we are in housing bubble when you see the listing for the price seller wants….
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Rosemead/9311-Pitkin-St-91770/home/8011164
Seriously?
Redfin involved in tons of shady stuff.
Including this message, which I see when I attempt to anonymously access their site: