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i disagree with beauprez on almost every issue except gunz, which is why i voted for him.

in every race that had a libertarian candidate, i voted for the libertarian.

and i will probably never vote for a republican or democrat for any federal office for the rest of my life.

Leave your options open, goon. Bill needs to do the same.

I didn’t vote yesterday - there were no candidates that earned my vote. Someday, I expect that to change.

What I want is a recognition that ethics and morals trumps law, that the Constitution is to be followed, that playing fields are leveled for all and that government is reduced in size.

The little I heard about those wasn’t good enough.

Steadykat was correct last week for getting on this board and basically admonishing everyone here for our lack of involvement. I admire that poster. I don’t admire myself.

i disagree with beauprez on almost every issue except gunz, which is why i voted for him.

Since there were no other choices, I left that one blank

I wanted badly to see “Hick” defeated for his pandering to former NYC Mayor Bloomberg on gun control. Beauprez was a piss-poor alternative and a crony capitalist through and through, but voting Hick out of office would’ve been a nice payback for his perfidy in driving Magpul out of the state with his Bloomberg-dictated gun control legistlation.

“…and i will probably never vote for a republican or democrat for any federal office for the rest of my life.”

For the first time in my adult life, I’m done voting. Didn’t vote, not sure I ever will again. The candidates were garbage.

At least vote Libertarian or unaffiliated, to send a “none of the above” vice apathy message to the political elites. Or write in your dog’s name like I’ve done a time or two.

“At least vote Libertarian or unaffiliated, to send a “none of the above” vice apathy message to the political elites.”

Low voter turnout sends the same message. And I don’t even have to spend the time or fuel to do it. Fawk the system. I’m done with it. It’s all controlled by the monied special interests.

that’s racis !

Furgeson up 3% next yr per Zillow

She is an LDS convert, FWIW. I doubt she would have won if she was still Catholic. She also won with 50.04% of the vote

Tons of national money went into Utah 4th. Advertising was saturation level.

I didn’t vote. Not that interested in Utah politics any longer as we plan on leaving before too long. She seems like a nice enough person, but every time I hear her speak, all that comes out is Repub boilerplate. Her opponent was no better, even though he comes from solid Utah ruling class stock. We’ll see how she votes.

Much more interested in the politics of the proposed Dominion pipeline through Augusta Co VA. What a nightmare. The Clinton-crony gov is solidly behind. I thought the dems were all about the environment and this warming thingy that’s going to drown us all in 5 years!

First black Republican woman. Dems have been electing black women to the house for decades.

Yeah Maxine Waters is a real prize eh Donk?

How would an LDS individual fare running in say, Ohio?
Funny how LDS folk are all seen as religious bigots when the bigotry runs both ways ‘cross the land.

And, so what is she’s the first Republican black woman? She’s in Utah. What it shows is that in Utah, at least, race matters less than religion. Not so in many other places. Race is still the bigger issue in non-religious areas. (Which begs the question - who and where are the real racists?)

What about Maryland? Could a white LDS woman win a House seat there? No way. How about a black LDS woman? The black would probably stand a better chance. Blackey trumps whitey when it comes to social issues, and to the typical racist, that’s all that matters.

Funny how this all plays out.

“She also won with 50.04% of the vote”

You make it sound like her opponent got 49.96%. Not quite. She won with enough margin that nothing’s being contested.

And no, she wouldn’t have won if she wasn’t LDS. She had to run against an opponent that reminded us every 5 minutes or so that he was “6th generation Utahn”. You know what emotions were being played on there. By the tribe that assures us they’re all for “diversity” or something.

All diversity is local.

It’s a concept that your typical religious fanatic and your typical racist/anti-racist moonbat have yet to discover.

What about Maryland? Could a white LDS woman win a House seat there? No way.

How do you know this? A white LDS man was elected governor of Massachusetts.

How would an LDS individual fare running in say, Ohio?

George Romney was governor of Michigan.

My point was that she won because she’s LDS, not because she’s black. And she barely won.

She won because the political scales tipped the opposite way this time, and the national party spent a boatload of money here. This district is about as purple as it gets. She may well lose to the same guy, next time, if the scales tip back.

Interesting to hear the usual suspects inject the standard racial and religious overtones into everything, considering that she was “out-LDSSed” by her opponent. She never brought any of that up, she stuck straight to the national script that was handed to her.

She may well lose to the same guy, next time, if the scales tip back.

She lost to him two years ago by 768 votes. She won this time by an even smaller margin.

Um, no. She won by over 4200 votes at last count.

Um, no. She won by over 4200 votes at last count.

I just double checked, and you are correct. However, she did only get 50.04% of the vote.

What’s also interesting is that about 120K votes were cast in total. In 2012 245K votes were cast. Now that’s what I call voter apathy, and it seems to be split right down the middle.

‘there really is no regime change’

Tell that to the 100,000 dead in Syria.

An example: If you Wiki-up AT&T you will learn that:

“According to the Center for Responsive Politics, AT&T is the second-largest donor to United States political campaigns, and the top American corporate donor, having contributed more than US$47.7 million since 1990, 56% and 44% of which went to Republican and Democratic recipients, respectively.”

Fifty-six percent of political donations went to Republicans and forty-four percent went to Democrats. It’s not a wash but it is pretty close to it.

“Tell that to the 100,000 dead in Syria.”

So now, because of the election outcome, we should expect this trend to change?

Mass murder isn’t a trend. And I think I was clear about the two party dictatorship.

Sorry Ben, I have to disagree with you here. Those nut jobs in the middle east really are evil - just the other day they tortured and murdered children, and they love to stone women to death. Better to bomb them with drones than send in our troops to fight another endless war, although I’m sure the new majority will push for it to show how manly they are (i.e. our new national symbol will be a chicken hawk instead of eagle).

‘to fight another endless war’

Uh, that’s what we got.

It’s pointless discussing this stuff any more. This is what we’ve become.

http://www.peacenowar.net/Iraq/AG/

“Those nut jobs in the middle east really are evil - just the other day they tortured and murdered children, and they love to stone women to death”

I always like these kind of comments.

“Those nut jobs in the middle east really are evil - just the other day they tortured and murdered children,

I always like these kind of comments.

Are you Guys referring to the Israelis committing genocides against the Palestinians?

No. What I am referring to is that the lives of women and children are always regarded as more important to those of men.

No. What I am referring to is that the lives of women and children are always regarded as more important to those of men.

So let me get this straight you are saying that the Israelis are killing more important lives Palestinian “women and children”.

Do I understand you correctly? If so then shame on them.

Progressive Neocon speak at it’s best.

Fear not, my friends. The “Syrian moderate rebels” touted by John McCain and the neo-cons will soon sort out the bearded Islamist fanatics.

Oh, wait….

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/how-did-islamists-receive-american-weapons-see-the-evidence-from-guided-missile-that-exploded-near-syrian-front-line-9834472.html?origin=internalSearch

No. What I am referring to is that the lives of women and children are always regarded as more important to those of men.

There’s a reason why women and children are targets in horror movies. They are less “expendable” than men, thus their grisly deaths have a bigger impact.

How about just that it’s wierd to declare another group of people ‘evil’ and therefore we have to kill them first via indescriminate robot bombing.

We aren’t less ‘evil’, we just have better weapons.

“We aren’t less ‘evil’, we just have better weapons.”

HBB, I would be interested in knowing what your definition of evil is…

Who was evil duing the crusades, Muslims or Christians? Who was evil during the Revolutionary war, Britain or the 13 Colonies? Who was evil during WW2, Germany and Japan or the US, UK and the USSR? How about the Cold War? Korea? Vietnam? Iran Iraq War? Gulf War 1? Gulf War 2? Afghanistan?

If you don’t see a trend here, I can’t help you.

If you don’t see a trend here, I can’t help you.

Explain the trend. In most of the wars, there were atrocities or similar nastiness committed by both sides.

The only question we have to ask here is who is evil now, and I think the answer is pretty obvious. The nut jobs I referred to earlier was ISIL, in case anybody thought I was referring to the entire middle east, no I wasn’t. But if the common belief here is that pacifism is the only good, then I don’t agree. At this point in the middle east we are just basically helping the Kurds, after the Shiites dropped their weapons and ran. And we are the ones who put the Kurds in the position they are in of being attacked by fanatics, because of the brilliant decision to invade Iraq. Yes we do owe them, and yes some things are worth fighting for.

The trend I tried to highlight above is simply that history is written by the victors. There is no good and evil in war, just violence enacted on a mass scale. We use terms like good and evil later to justify our actions, help us accept the horrors we took part in, and sway public opinion for our involvement.

ISIL is no different than the Sadam regime we originally supported against Iran and later toppled when it outgrew it’s usefulness.

As to endless war, read Sun Tzu. A thing that cannot go on forever will stop. Wars cost money. Wars require reaources. Resources, money and the will to fight are finite.

Hillarious!

I never thought the day would come, but I didn’t vote. I can no longer bring myself to vote for either head of this poisonous snake. The “lesser of two evils” or “incumbent challenger” just isn’t good enough for me anymore. Voter turnout was dismal this election, BTW.

Central Coast of CA passed all of its bonds for education raising taxes about $400 a year or more for home owners.

it’s not school -it’s another welfare distribution point

No, I dont think Archer Daniels or BofA get any of it.

However, volatility is increasing.

Which shows that neither party is delivering.

I think Maryland is tired of the thugs knocking people over the head and stealing their money and belongings, or worse, killing them. People are starting to associate Democrats with such thuggery.

The people can do it. Whether the federal government will allow it is another story.

Remember that Washington always operates at a fiscal and monetary loss. Without forcing the citizenry to do what it wants, it will have to decrease in size and influence.

Washington has no other option. It’s either steal from the people or cut off its own arms and legs.

Everyone knows that during the past fourteen years, it has chosen the former.

Will it now voluntarily choose the latter, or will it attempt to further enslave the citizenry? If it chooses to further enslave, individuals in Washington better have their Titanic deck chairs handy. It won’t end well.

The United States isn’t Europe. Nor is it Russia. The tradition of its people was - and continues to be - freedom for the individual. Individual liberty. It’s in the blood. Our ancestors had it. We have it.

You’ve received the talking points well. You have a bright future.

I think Mz Craterton cuts directly from USA Today and pastes here.

Oxide might be right. However, the voters have just stated loudly stated that isn’t what they are looking for.

Clearly, the masses are turning against the NeoCon-Progressive Party. And, typically, Washington is a decade behind the people.

Better shore up your job, oxide. Your longer-term well being could very well be more on the line than you might imagine.

A pair of non-NeoCon republican governors re-elected in Wisconsin and Michigan last night. That’s significant.

What if Maryland voters decide they like their newly elected Republican governor? Massachusetts just voted in another Republican as governor.

It’s not the national scene that informs one of what is going on at ground level. It’s the locals and states that do.

Do you fully grasp what those outside of the Washington metro area (the wealthiest across all the land, lest you forget) are thinking and wanting?

What lousy editing on my part today. My apologies to all.

By all accounts, the election was a victory for establishment Republicans

Agreed, the overwhelming majority of the GOP incumbents are not Tea Partiers.

But if the Tea Party is serious about balancing the budget and getting us out of foreign wars, more power to them. That said, I’m not holding my breath.

Better shore up your job, oxide.

Yes, I saw to that a couple months ago.

Yes, I did get that talking point straight from the radio this morning. I don’t think of it as a partisan talking point. It rings true. Last time, wacko Tea Party candidates upset several established R’s in the primaries, either making the Dem easier to elect, or opening the door for a Dem pickup, in the general election. This year, the established R’s burned the witches and “shut it all down” in advance.

I think there are two kinds of voters: single-issue and general-discontent voters.

1) Single issue types are easy to predict. Pro-gay-rights: Democrat; anti-abortion: Republican. Etc.

2) General discontent voters: These will stay home or vote for the incumbent if the discontent level is low. They will vote for the opposition if the discontent level is high.

I suspect for the second group, the discontent level is getting higher. With dropping real wages in the face of inflationary pressure (right, right - there’s no inflation except in the non-essentials: food, education, housing (buy+rent), medicine and energy), I think they might have rumbled last night.

Also, there’s the “aspirational” problem - parents want their kids to do better. With the current climate, that’s probably looking unlikely.

3) Finally, there are the issues which no officials are allowed to do anything about as these are decided by the Deep State.

Right. Joes Repair Shop is going to push around the state of MA.

What script are you reading from again?

What are you talking about with this script nonsense? I wasn’t referring to small businesses.

Mom n pops have no clout, even though they are pandered to.

But what I have seen in my little burg is that ANY business that can bring 50+ jobs to town can get a grant. As we speak, Sprouts markets is in the process of getting a $2,000,000 grant from the city to help them open a store.

It’s sad that it’s come to doing business this way, but if you don’t, you’re already at a disadvantage vs. those that do.

Kind of like how honest homeowners paying their mortgage, essentially are screwed by people who put almost nothing down, cash out $100K of equity, and then stop making payments for as long as they can get away with . . .

As we speak, Sprouts markets is in the process of getting a $2,000,000 grant from the city to help them open a store.

It’s official:

http://www.reporterherald.com/news/loveland-local-news/ci_26867627/loveland-city-council-approves-sprouts-deal

The prison-industrial complex is a classic self-licking ice cream cone and cash cow for the ghouls who “invest” in it.

And incarcerating the guilty in Washington would cost plenty in the short-term…and significantly less in the long-term.

And incarcerating the guilty in Washington would cost plenty in the short-term…and significantly less in the long-term.

Unfortunately those people are untouchable. But if officials bust dudes for smoking joints and spend 60K or more per year to incarcerate them then they can say that they’re “tough on crime”.

And not a single Wall Street banker among them, I might add. Thank you, Eric Holder, for your “some are more equal than others” enforcement of the law.

Thank you, Eric Holder, for your “some are more equal than others” enforcement of the law.

It’s an American tradition.

Despicable.

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That this corrupt incumbent fossil was re-elected shows just how doomed we are as a country.

You can pretty much say that for almost all of congress

Since no politician has the guts to vote themselves term limits, we should start a social media movement…a term limit pledge, so to speak, that no one will vote for a person who has been in their current seat for more than 8 years (4 terms for House, 2 for Senate).

I was actively sharing a voting strike page (refusal to vote) on FB starting a few weeks before Tuesday’s incumbents’ victory. I had a lot of fun and now started getting voluntaryist FB friends. Several.

I will come out of the closet (on FB, not on HBB) if most of my FB friends are voluntaryists and change my screen name middle name to “Voluntaryist” like a lot of them do.

Another thought that crosses my mind is how long it will take to process all these people. There’s more to it than just handing out greencards like Halloween candy. If anything, these people will have to be interviewed. And I hope that there will be some background checking done. From a quick looksie on the internet, about 600,000 green cards are issued each year, which means that is the current processing capacity. I’m sure they will try to streamline the process, but I have my doubts everyone will be processed in just a few years.

“4.5 year low. What an opportunity!”

Sure…so long as it doesn’t lead to an eventual 25 year low…

I respect that Bill buys physical. None of this nonsense about “mining interests.” Even if gold is at a 25-year low, the movable and hidable aspect adds intrinsic value. And if society degrades to a point where Bill has to invoke the value in gold being movable and hidable, then gold will certainly not be at a 25-year low.

I respect that Bill buys physical. None of this nonsense about “mining interests.” Even if gold is at a 25-year low, the movable and hidable aspect adds intrinsic value. And if society degrades to a point where Bill has to invoke the value in gold being movable and hidable, then gold will certainly not be at a 25-year low.

Of course, the whole ‘hideable’ thing doesn’t work so well if you keep talking about it on the NSA and Fed-monitored internets…

“Even if gold is at a 25-year low, the movable and hidable aspect adds intrinsic value.”

Said by a recent home buyer…somehow that makes perfect sense!

But if you read a bit up the thread, you will note that gold is only at a 4.5 year low, which means it would be 20.5 more years down to get to a 25 year low, then who knows how long to get anywhere near current levels.

A quarter of a century is a LONG time for your investments to tank.

It rhymes awfully close!

Been buying high now for quite some time. May spring bring you better, though I personally think the cycle is breaking slower than that.

The trouble with cash is that it is harder to hold onto than a baked potato.

You thinking $1200 is high? Try $1600 a couple years ago. Gold is 33% off its all time high.

How far off the all time high is the S & P 500 index?

Peanut gallery, please keep on beating the assets that are closest to their 5 year lows. You keep me laughing.

I’m certain you’ll do well regardless what gold is doing.

Have you bought significantly above $1200 or not? I thought you have been buying all along. I am sure you will do fine too, and you don’t need me to suggest that the price will go lower. Buy whatever you like. Kudos for staying out of debt.

Yep, hoarder. I’m getting ready to load up on bullion.

Of course you have. Every single human being has. Time to take some meds for that narcissism.

It’s easier to answer that this way.

Have you ever been right?

There is no profit in advertising a bagel to someone who makes purchase of such only out of occasional necessity, and in a town with only one drivethrough.

Boy, try to start a thread related to housing… the true believers just can’t put the hackery aside for two minutes.

if they repeal it we are still stuck with high costs, blue cross wins again.

The whole medical industrial complex wins.

Wanna bet that they’ll be blaming future price hikes on ACA years after it’s been repealed?

“Boy, try to start a thread related to housing… the true believers just can’t put the hackery aside for two minutes.”

Notice that eh?

I’m thinking it’s going to end starting tomorrow morning bright and early. Just a hunch.

My colleague had no complaints.

My sis-in-law who lives in the UK had her gall bladder removed. She had to wait 3 weeks for surgery. I also had to wait about 3 weeks to get mine removed in the USA. We traded notes and the experiences were pretty much identical: out patient surgery, etc. The only difference was that I had to cough up about $500 to cover the deductible and coinsurance. She paid $0. And the tax they pay for their national health is miniscule compared to even an American high deductive policy.

just trying to save money! (lower oil prices and less dependence on the middle east)

ps. we spend $9 mill a day over there… try factoring that in.

Or Exxon Valdez?

I drive a Acura with a 6 cyl.

My apologies. I misread your post and thought you were driving a hybrid. I’ve just become a little grouchy about those people thinking they’re special and saving the environment when they’re actually polluting worse.

“You clearly don’t live in California. We’re f*cked here.”

+1 Welcome aboard.