November 6, 2014

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Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 03:12:39

Jack Seiler
From Wikipedia

John P. “Jack” Seiler (born May 27, 1963) is an American politician and Mayor of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Prior to this he was a Democratic member of the Florida House of Representatives, from 2000 to 2008 representing District 92 which is located in Broward County, Florida.[1][2] He served as mayor, vice mayor and city council member of Wilton Manors, Florida from 1993 to 2000.[1] In 2014, he supported and defended laws passed criminalizing feeding homeless people in public, in hopes of eliminating the poorer population from his city.
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“Mr. Abbott has decided that he doesn’t think these individuals should have to have any interaction with government,”

“We disagree,” Seiler said.”

90-year-old man charged for feeding homeless cited again

Arnold Abbott cited for second time

Author: Bob Norman, Reporter, bnorman@Local10.com
Terrell Forney, Reporter, tforney@Local10.com
Published On: Nov 05 2014

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -

Local 10 first brought you the story of the 90-year-old man who was arrested for illegally feeding the homeless in Fort Lauderdale. Wednesday he was back to continue his cause.

“I am both enthused and humbled,” Abbot said. “The good news is that there is pressure being put on the city of Fort Lauderdale to do something about a law that is not only unfair, it’s repressive.”

Mayor Jack Seiler, who supports the ordinance, said he’s gotten massive feedback as well, though not always so positive. But he said the law is meant to help the homeless, not to keep them from eating.

“Mr. Abbott has decided that he doesn’t think these individuals should have to have any interaction with government, that they should be fed in the parks. We disagree,” Seiler said.

But Abbott said there aren’t adequate government services or food to deal with the homeless.

http://www.local10.com/…/90yearold-man-charged-for-feeding-homeless-back-at-it/29566212 - 88k -

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 04:09:47

Seven50: It’s Agenda 21’s Baby Cousin in Florida

By: Nancy Smith | Posted: October 10, 2013 3:55 AM

Remember Agenda 21? By its authors’ definition, it was “a nonbinding, voluntarily implemented global action plan to bring about sustainable development.”

Seven50, on the same hand, is a “voluntary” regional action plan to bring about sustainable development.

Seven50 is Agenda 21’s baby cousin. It was born in the U.S.A., in Washington, D.C. somewhere, when the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) gave a partnership of South Florida regional planning councils a $4.25 million grant to make “sustainable development” happen.

That’s seven counties — Monroe, Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucie and Indian River — all under regional control within 50 years.

Oops. I just called Seven50 Agenda 21’s baby cousin. I’m sure the Southeast Florida Regional Partnership (SFRP) — the folks pushing this time-warp of an endeavor — will marginalize me by claiming I’m a tin-foil-hat tea bag spreading misinformation. A conspiracy theorist. I hope I’m none of the above. I lived in Britain and Europe for 10 years and loved the lifestyle under socialist governments that happily adopted many of Agenda 21’s components.

The unelected leadership driving Seven50 believes that without coordinated action, Southeast Florida is looking at a future of congestion, declining quality of life and economic deterioration.

“Go to the meetings and listen to them,” Bill Paterson, chairman of the St. Lucie County Republican Executive Committee, told me. “The coordinated action they’re talking about is regional leadership making all the decisions for the dozens of local governments in the seven counties. They aren’t looking for our ideas, they have their own and they just want to get on with implementation.”

The fact is, we’re not just talking about Florida as an isolated case here. Federal agencies HUD, EPA and DOT are financing the restructuring of local government divisions all over the country. Whether it’s Seven50 in Florida, Plan Bay Area in California, or Granite State Future in New Hampshire, they are one and the same, based on the same principles.

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Seven 50

SE Florida Prosperity Plan

A blueprint for ensuring economic prosperity & the best-possible quality of life for Southeast Florida.

Bicameral Task Force on Climate Change Letter

Posted on April 9, 2013

April 4, 2013

The Honorable Henry Waxman & Sheldon Whitehouse
Co-Chairs, Bicameral Task Force on Climate Change
United States Congress
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Senator Whitehouse and Representative Waxman,

We write to commend you on the formation of the Bicameral Task Force and for reaching out so broadly in search of solutions to meaningfully address global climate change. We write under the same cover, and on behalf of our region.

Sincerely,

Mayor Steven L. Abrams, Palm Beach County
Mayor Kristin Jacobs, Broward County
Mayor George Neugent, Monroe County
Mayor Woodrow L. Hay, City of Boynton Beach
Mayor John P. “Jack” Seiler, City of Fort Lauderdale
Mayor Matti Herrera Bower, City of Miami Beach
Mayor Craig Cates, City of Key West

seven50.org/bicameral-task-force-on-climate-change-letter/ - 78k -

Comment by goon squad
2014-11-06 07:18:42

“sustainable development”

Because South Florida’s model of unsustainable development has been such a resounding success for the last several decades. It’s a dumping ground for poors and olds.

And the edumacated youfs will continue to move to urban areas with high walkscores. The 20th century phoned, they want sprawlburbia back. Because if you like your clowncar commute, you can keep your clowncar commute.

Comment by Young Deezy
2014-11-06 08:58:06

those same youfs will migrate back to the suburbs a few years later after having had their fill of living side by side with and “economically diverse” population living in subsidized housing right next door.

I’d know, I’m one of those youfs who fled. A commute is a small price to pay for not being involuntarily culturally enriched.

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Comment by taxpayers
2014-11-06 09:37:15

pit bulls per pop is a number city-data.com should add to demographics

 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-06 09:38:00

those same youfs will migrate back to the suburbs a few years later after having had their fill of living side by side with and “economically diverse” population living in subsidized housing right next door.

Only if they get married and have kids, which these days is less and less likely.

 
 
Comment by Oddfellow
2014-11-06 09:07:56

“clowncar commute”

What if your clown car drives itself?

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Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-06 09:39:03

You’re still stuck in the car. I supposed you could play Candy Crush on your smartphone while “commuting”

 
Comment by Northeastener
2014-11-06 11:03:44

Electric and hybrid cars, mobile wireless hot spots and driverless car technology will all change how we view commuting/working.

20 years from now, people will wonder why so many today want to live in dense urban areas. The next urban migration outflow is right around the corner…

 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2014-11-06 16:50:52

It might drive itself, but it’s not gonna pay for gas.

 
 
Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 11:41:42

If a youf telecommutes like so many want to walkscore and clowncar commutes don’t enter the equation. Lot’s of opportunity there for craft brewers and organic coffee roasters to expand in suburbutopia.

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Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 16:15:41

“Whether it’s Seven50 in Florida, Plan Bay Area in California, or Granite State Future in New Hampshire, they are one and the same, based on the same principles.”

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Comment by Tarara Boomdea
2014-11-06 10:31:40
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 03:38:00

Citrus Heights, CA (Sacramento) Sale Prices Flat YoY; Turn Negative 7% QoQ and 3% MoM

http://www.zillow.com/citrus-heights-ca-95610/home-values/

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 03:43:09

Colleyville, TX(Dallas) Sale Prices Plunge 17% YoY; Housing Demand Craters

http://www.zillow.com/colleyville-tx/home-values/

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 03:45:24

San Luis Obispo County, CA Sale Prices Turn Negative YoY; Down 4% QoQ, 2% MoM

http://www.zillow.com/san-luis-obispo-county-ca/home-values/

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 03:47:16

Las Vegas Sale Prices Turn Negative on Year; Plummet 10% QoQ and 7% MoM

http://www.zillow.com/las-vegas-nv-89135/home-values/

Comment by Allan
2014-11-06 13:58:59

It looks more like the prices jumped up and are still climbing at a slower rate. Where do you get that the market has dropped 10%?

Comment by Housing Analyst
Comment by Allan
2014-11-06 21:29:11

This does not show a drop in pricing. It shows an 11% year gain with more to come. What am I missing?

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-07 04:27:39

Sure it does. You’re not looking at the data.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-11-07 09:54:42

Plummet 10% QoQ and 7% MoM

There are clear season patterns that make QoQ a ridiculous statistic to quote.

For a more sensible one, let’s look at YoY. On the link he references, if you click on the dropdown and select Median Sale Price, and then compare Y-o-Y, the real data is:

Sept 2013
$314K

Sept 2014
$304K

In other words, down about 3%. But the seasonal pattern looks like it might have started a month earlier this summer; if that is the case, then that 3% may be in the noise.

But it’s definitely not up 11% YoY!

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-07 14:31:42

Falling prices.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 04:45:42

“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 06:11:25

These times are tough if you are paying attention and you have integrity.

 
Comment by Shillow
2014-11-06 06:42:02

Truth, really? Are we sure we want truth? Seems like a lot of people these days are more concerned with their truth coming out, hence the constant harping about privacy.

“Then if we’re taking oaths there’s a few people I’d like to swear in.” Lt. Col. Frank Slade, Scent of a Woman, 1993.

Comment by drumminj
2014-11-06 08:19:49

“Then if we’re taking oaths there’s a few people I’d like to swear in.” Lt. Col. Frank Slade, Scent of a Woman, 1993.

Just rewatched that this past weekend. LOVE that final scene/speech.

 
Comment by nhtransplant
2014-11-06 10:58:01

Kind of a twisted way to look at it. If you like your privacy you like being lied to? If you expect your government do be upfront about what it’s doing you are morally condoning the technological surveillance society. Something about that don’t smell right.

Comment by Shillow
2014-11-06 17:34:31

I’m just saying, open your eyes. Spying is wrong, but so is lying and some people who want to keep up the lies use the fake shield of privacy.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 05:42:49

“South Florida realtor charged again - with fraud”

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-christopher-white-fraud-brf-20141104-story.html

Will NAR ever clean up their act? Ever?

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-06 06:17:21

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-05/us-mint-sells-out-silver-eagles-following-tremendous-demand

When it comes to buyers of physical assets as opposed to traders of paper representations of such assets, there is one key difference: the latter, more than anything, enjoy looking at “heatmaps”, chasing trends and jumping on momentum, the result being the most recent massive selloff in such “paper” representations of precious metals as the GLD and SLV ETFs, and various gold futures.

On the other hand, those who prefer to hold the metal in their hands, as well as others such as China whose ravenous apetite for gold over the past 4 years has been extensively covered here in the past, take every advantage of selloffs, and - inconceivably - demonstrate how Econ 101, namely supply and demand, really works, leading to ever greater demand the lower the price. Demand so high, in fact, that the underlying commodity that is being sold through paper conduits, sells out.

This is precisely what happened at the U.S. Mint, which just sold out of all silver American Eagle silver bullion coins, following “tremendous” demand in the past several weeks, according to Reuters reports.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:01:37

On the other hand, those who prefer to hold the metal in their hands, as well as others such as China whose ravenous apetite for gold over the past 4 years has been extensively covered here in the past, take every advantage of selloffs, and - inconceivably - demonstrate how Econ 101, namely supply and demand, really works, leading to ever greater demand the lower the price. Demand so high, in fact, that the underlying commodity that is being sold through paper conduits, sells out.

Knifecatcher’s credo

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:03:57

Chinese gold demand cools
Fergus Ryan & AAP
4 Nov, 2:40 PM
Economy
China
Commodities

Demand for gold in China is cooling even as global prices slumped to a four-year low on Monday.

The precious metal hit a four-and-a-half year low of $US1,165 per on Monday night, but prices on the Shanghai Gold Exchange were at a rare discount.

Gold prices are normally at a premium in China due to capital controls.

Only last week, the premium in Shanghai was US$2 to $3 an ounce to London prices.

Some analysts predict the price of gold could sink below $US1,000 per fine ounce by the end of 2015 as the American economy recovers.

The value of gold is expected to fall deeper as speculators turn to the greenback.

“We’re in the phases of a multi-year cyclical bull run for the US dollar,” IG chief market strategist Chris Weston said.

“If the US dollar’s going to strengthen, I personally believe the gold price is going to suffer as a consequence.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:13:56

“…demonstrate how Econ 101, namely supply and demand, really works,…”

That may be the biggest crock of BS I’ve ever about undergraduate economics ever put in print. No Econ 101 textbook I’ve ever opened covers price dynamics, as the topic is ‘beyond the scope of the course.’

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 07:14:21

The problem with Econ 101 is that it ignores a credit mania and deleveraging.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:18:22

Not to mention any discussion of price dynamics whatever (all analysis is done in terms of “comparative statics”, which cannot explain deflationary psychology).

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Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 07:33:55

“deflationary psychology”

The honors course is being taught in Japanese. Translation into other languages coming soon. The Greek version I think is already available.

Prerequisite Course: Massive Credit Expansion.

 
Comment by taxpayers
2014-11-06 09:38:26

BAAhhhhhhhhh kewl
1921 embrace deflation” Andrew Mellon

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-06 06:28:21

Global scramble for physical silver bullion (as opposed to paper silver being traded by the bullion banks).

https://www.goldcore.com/goldcore_blog/Global_Scramble_For_Silver_Coins_Hard_To_Get_Premiums_Likely_To_Jump

Silver has had a torrid time in recent months and has fallen nearly 40% since July. In less than four months, it is down from $21.40/oz to $15.45/oz today. Silver is 70% lower since reaching over $49/oz in April 2011. The selling has accelerated in recent days and silver has fallen from $17.20/oz on October 28 and is down 12% in the last week.

Comment by taxpayers
2014-11-06 09:39:49

supposedly used in solar panels- maybe they just hold it next to the panel,briefly

 
Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-11-06 14:26:06

An acquaintance told me his friend sold everything he owned and loaded up on silver. I wonder how he’s feeling right now. I don’t know what price he got in at, but I bet he’s chitting his panties.

Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 17:34:41

He should have just held on to the cash.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 23:59:07

“…I bet he’s chitting his panties.”

Eventually those who narrowly bank on cash will find themselves in the same boat.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 06:31:24

I saw a table of home prices last night showing double digit deceleration rates for most California cities plus Las Vegas (aka CA East).

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:06:04

Here it is. Flippers are advised to dump their California dumps before a sustained negative second derivative drives the first down to negative levels.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:15:06

I suppose there is a fine line between cooling Chinese demand for gold and decelerating California home prices…

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 08:36:25

Probably no line at all between highly leveraged Chinese gold speculators and a rush to get into the US stock market before Japanese National Pension Fund goes all in.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:07:04

Oops…I think that was a misfire! Try this link.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:16:21

Double-digit deceleration, with lots more to come, given the strong dollar’s effect on the prices all-cash investors pay for California housing…

 
Comment by scdave
2014-11-06 07:41:57

Where did this chart come from ??

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 08:55:20

I posted the chart separately in order to not bias its proper interpretation by the REIC propaganda headline:

Asking prices for houses accelerate in 40 metro areas

Published: Nov 6, 2014 6:56 a.m. ET
Some housing markets are bucking the slowing trend
By Quentin Fottrell
Personal finance reporter

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Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 07:07:30

Speaking of tables; oil, coal and metals are down 10% YOY. Corn, wheat and Silver down 20%. Iron ore down 40%. Forest products starting to decline.

While there is a long way to go to get to pre bubble levels, this is a good start. The end of the building mania means cheaper energy which eventually means cheaper everything, which means the replacement cost of all those overpriced houses is collapsing. It doesn’t look like 1995 yet, but things are pointing in that direction.

Looks like a great time to short everything but cash.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 07:11:40

You have keen vision.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2014-11-06 08:26:27

Linky?

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 09:05:45

I wrote it myself.

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Comment by rms
2014-11-06 13:53:52

“I wrote it myself.”

+1 The Swami

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 17:46:53

The scary part is that now I have made my prediction, it makes it more likely that we will have yet another and grander credit expansion. I don’t know how, but I call these thing about like flipping a coin.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:00:17

“…it makes it more likely that we will have yet another and grander credit expansion.”

Can’t rule that one out!

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:13:08

All the statistics are supported by information freely available on the internet. Google is your friend.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:17:44

Case in point (after a couple of minutes of sifting through myriad on-topic online articles):

Markets
Iron-Ore Fall Hits Miners as China Demand Wanes
China Tries to Cut Pollution Ahead of APEC Forum

The slide in iron-ore prices hit mining stocks, including Fortescue Metals Group. Here, a worker at the Fortescue loading dock at Port Hedland in the Pilbara region of Western Australia. Reuters
By Rhiannon Hoyle
Updated Nov. 6, 2014 3:35 a.m. ET

Iron-ore prices sank to a near five-and-a-half year low and mining company shares fell, as cutbacks to steel output ahead of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in China dented demand for the steelmaking commodity.

Beijing hustled to “ensure cleaner air” before the summit, when major world leaders would descend on the city, said Commonwealth Bank of Australia analyst Lachlan Shaw. The move prompted heavy industry, such as steel plants, to pare production. Before the push, residents in China’s capital endured some of the year’s worst air pollution over the past two months.

Iron ore fell 1.4% Wednesday to US$76 a metric ton, according to data provider The Steel Index, and is now down 43% year-to-date. It is the benchmark’s lowest value since June 2009.

The plunge is also battering the value of companies that mine the raw material, including Australia’s Fortescue Metals Group Ltd. and Atlas Iron Ltd. Their stock prices fell 8.5% and 17%, respectively, Thursday. China is the world’s largest iron-ore buyer.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 08:58:47

Foolish speculators are in a frenzied panic…

Futures Movers
Oil tumbles after OPEC cuts demand forecasts
Published: Nov 6, 2014 10:40 a.m. ET
Pressure on again for crude, Brent
By Claudia Assis
Energy reporter

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Crude-oil futures tumbled further on Thursday after the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries cut demand forecasts for its oil and investors worried about the eurozone.

On the New York Mercantile Exchange, light, sweet crude futures for delivery in December (CLZ4, -1.33%) fell $1.10, or 1.4%, to $77.58 a barrel.

December Brent crude (LCOZ4, -0.77%) on London’s ICE Futures exchange fell 58 cents, or 0.7%, to $82.37 a barrel.

In its annual world outlook released earlier Thursday, OPEC predicted less demand for its oil through 2017.

It said that even as it expects demand to pick up in later years, it would still be lower than 2013 demand.

OPEC said demand for its crude would fall to 28.2 million barrels a day by the end of 2017 as output from producers outside the cartel, such as the U.S. and Canada, Latin American countries, and Russia, continue to rise.

Demand for OPEC crude will pick up again in 2018, but a year later it will still be lower than demand for 2013, OPEC said.

In last year’s outlook, OPEC noted the rise of non-OPEC supply for the first time. It predicted demand for its crude would reach 29.2 million barrels a day by 2018 and 30.3 million barrels a day in 2013.

Comments from European Central Bank President Mario Draghi also dragged prices down. In a news conference Thursday after the ECB left interest rates unchanged, Draghi offered a drab assessment of the eurozone economy, adding to concerns that slack economic activity in Europe and elsewhere would dent demand for oil.

 
 
 
Comment by Combotechie
2014-11-06 06:48:18

“Pension Plans Need Massive $110 Billion In 7 Years, Moodys Warns

“Thanks to improving life expectancy and the Federal Reserve’s financial repression lowering yields, US company pension funds have been hit by a double whammy. As Moody’s warns, companies will have to find $110 billion in the next seven years to fund pension liabilities shortfalls. Moody’s adds, “given these increasing liabilities and cash drains, we expect to see an acceleration in lump sum offers,” as firms try to derisk.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-05/us-pension-plans-need-massive-110-billion-7-years-moodys-warns

“… we expect to see an acceleration in lump sum offers …”

Which is good for money managers who can convince retirees that it is in the best interest of these retirees that the money managers manage the retiree’s cashed-out pension money (and collect hefty fees for doing so) instead of having the retirees sit back and collect monthly pension annuity payments for the rest of their lives (a decision which will cut out the money manager altogether), which means:

1. The company wants employees to opt for cashed-out pensions and

2. So do the money managers.

Q. So, who is there to stand up and speak out for the other side, the take-the-monthly-annuity-side?

A. Apparently there is nobody.

An anecdote: A co-worker of mine says she will take the buy out because every money manager who she has ever talked to has told her the that’s the best decision she could make. Never mind that the money manager has an interest in her making this decision - this thought had never entered her mind.

Comment by Combotechie
2014-11-06 07:06:22

The irony of this is if I were to decide to take the annuity then it would be in my best interest to convince everyone else to take the buy-out - which means it would be in my best self-interest to join the ranks of the company and the money managers in touting the buy-out and bad-mouth the annuity.

Do as I say, not as I do. (Perhaps I have the qualifications to go into politics?)

Comment by oxide
2014-11-06 07:19:06

Why join the ranks of money managers only in the “touting?” Join them in the doing, too! Train as a money manager and take a % to manage all those lumps sums… collecting your own annuity all the while, of course. :mrgreen:

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:03:09

It’s actually more cost effective to receive a life annuity as part of an insured group, assuming no malfeasance in pension fund management, than to go it alone. The difference is that the long-term survivors in an insurance pool gain an insurance benefit in the form of “forfeitures” of claims to pension fund assets by those who predecease them.

By contrast, self-insuring is expensive, and carries a risk of running out of money if you live “longer than expected.”

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-11-06 10:54:58

and carries a risk of running out of money if you live “longer than expected.”

In other words: save more than expected.

 
Comment by drumminj
2014-11-06 11:49:20

In other words: save more than expected.

Or have an endgame planned/make sure one of your “assets” goes ‘bang!’

 
 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2014-11-06 08:22:53

(Perhaps I have the qualifications to go into politics?)

I would vote for you and also provide funds for your political campaign. However I suspect you are a decent fellow and are not cut out to be a politician.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:08:48

“… we expect to see an acceleration in lump sum offers …”

Take your lumps and enjoy them!

Comment by Shillow
2014-11-06 07:29:33

What kind of discounting is going on in people’s minds to account for the chance that there won’t be any money to pay the annuity some years in the future?

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 07:36:21

The trick to taking the cash out may be to take it early.

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Comment by Oddfellow
2014-11-06 08:29:49

I wonder if such payments could be subject to a clawback.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:11:51

“The trick to taking the cash out may be to take it early.”

Unless the pension is about to go belly-up (Exhibit A: Detroit), it actually matters little, as your lump sum will be equal to the actuarial present value of the cost to the pension fund of paying out a life annuity. However, if you use your lump sum to pay yourself a monthly annuity for life, it will most likely be for a smaller amount than what the fund could pay you, for two reasons:

1) You probably won’t prove as capable an asset manager as the professionals who manage the pension fund from which the life annuity is paid, making the investment gains on your personal funds too small to match the returns on the pension fund that would have provided your life annuity payments.

2) Forefeitures provide an insurance benefit to participants in a group pension plan which you cannot provide for yourself, which translates into a larger monthly payment from a group pension plan than you could self fund (see my related comment in response to one of Oxide’s posts).

3) As my ex-girlfriend’s father once pointed out to me, the losers in the life-annuity choice are the heirs of the beneficiary, who receive no residual inheritance once the life annuity payment stream ends.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 09:56:10

4) You probably will not figure out how to get 8% returns forever, like the fund managers are sure they will.

 
Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 11:33:34

(ARCC) Div 9.43 What does everyone think? PE 8.63

Ares Capital Corporation specializes in acquisition, recapitalization, mezzanine debt, restructurings, rescue financing, and leveraged buyout transactions of middle market companies

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:10:58

…the money managers manage the retiree’s cashed-out pension money (and collect hefty fees for doing so) instead of having the retirees sit back and collect monthly pension annuity payments for the rest of their lives (a decision which will cut out the money manager altogether)…

Who manages the pension fund that cuts the monthly annuity payments?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:23:39

Q. So, who is there to stand up and speak out for the other side, the take-the-monthly-annuity-side?

The money managers whose jobs are to manage the pension fund that pays out monthly annuities.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:25:17

“Thanks to improving life expectancy and the Federal Reserve’s financial repression lowering yields, US company pension funds have been hit by a double whammy. As Moody’s warns, companies will have to find $110 billion in the next seven years to fund pension liabilities shortfalls.”

Did they consider that the ginormous pension shortfalls could shrink along with pension fund liabilities once interest rates normalize in a few years?

Probably not.

Comment by rms
2014-11-06 13:59:25

“Thanks to improving life expectancy and the Federal Reserve’s financial repression lowering yields, US company pension funds have been hit by a double whammy. As Moody’s warns, companies will have to find $110 billion in the next seven years to fund pension liabilities shortfalls.”

The taxpayers will be pressed to make-up the shortfall unless the courts decide otherwise.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 07:37:33

“… we expect to see an acceleration in lump sum offers …”

Which is good for money managers who can convince retirees that it is in the best interest of these retirees that the money managers manage the retiree’s cashed-out pension money (and collect hefty fees for doing so) instead of having the retirees sit back and collect monthly pension annuity payments for the rest of their lives

That’s interesting. It will probably be good for the solvency of the pension fund.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-06 07:53:52

FIND IT?

Has it not occurred to the clowns at Moodys that the solution for years now has been to cut wages? Wow….

It won’t nearly enough, of course, but someone has to pay for lavish retirement plans. Might as well start be slicing and dicing of today’s workers.

 
Comment by Oddfellow
2014-11-06 08:58:20

““Thanks to improving life expectancy ”

The land whales are living longer?

Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-06 09:42:43

I suspect that most land whales are members of the poors, and don’t have pensions to begin with.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 10:32:31

Obesity has been increasing quite a bit. Another way to say that is that it wasn’t such a big problem a few decades ago. The people currently retired and those nearing retirement will probably live longer than their parents. It’s the current generation of American kids who may not live as long as earlier generations.

 
 
Comment by Bluto
2014-11-06 13:51:12

I retired two years ago and took the cash, thanks to QE and artificially low interest rates the cashout amount was waaay more than it would have been in a normal economy with normal interest rates. I do realize that in a normal economy taking the monthly payment is usually a better choice. In addition my former employer was about to phase in a less favorable cashout formula. Rolled it into an IRA which is up about 20% since retirement as is my 401K and have no regrets over my decision. If I live to be 100 I’ll probably wish I’d taken a monthly check but that is not bloody likely.
Anyway, in our twisted economy it is not a cut and dried decision…the QE that made it impossible for me to buy a house in 2011/2012 due to competition from 100% cash flippers and speculators made cashing out my pension the right move for me (when I gave up on buying a place in 2012 I retired)

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:05:49

“I retired two years ago and took the cash, thanks to QE and artificially low interest rates the cashout amount was waaay more than it would have been in a normal economy with normal interest rates. I do realize that in a normal economy taking the monthly payment is usually a better choice.”

You made a smart move, as there has never been a better time to cash out a lump sum than with current rock-bottom rates.

Conversely, if you happen to retire when rates are historically high, you would likely do better taking an annuity than cashing out.

 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-06 07:09:10

More can kicking in the Eurozone as “former” Goldmanite Draghi pledges moar stimulus “if needed.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/euro-falls-as-draghi-speaks-2014-11

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-11-06 07:15:30

This link isn’t working right:

http://www.realtytrac.com/content/foreclosure-market-report/us-institutional-investors-and-cash-sales-report-q3-2014-8179

But here’s a quote:

“Institutional investors, who flooded the market a couple of years ago, are starting to sell their inventory for substantial gains,” said Chris Pollinger, senior vice president of sales at First Team Real Estate, covering the Southern California market. “Meanwhile, first time buyers are still underrepresented because of affordability challenges in the Southern California marketplace.”

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 07:19:48

Summarized: If you got a house(or houses), dump it for whatever you can get. You’ll be glad you did.

Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 11:58:05

AMEN!!!!!

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:20:01

Double-digit deceleration in prices, now and dead ahead…

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-11-06 14:44:06

https://www.propertyradar.com/reports/real-property-report-california-september-2014

See the graphs in the middle of the page. LLC/LP purchases represent 3.5% of purchases in CA, and about 5% of sales in CA.

Therefore, the net sales of LLC/LPs investors represents an addition of supply of about 1.5%.

In other words, if you have a 3 month supply of homes on the market, the additional supply provided by investors now being net sellers is about 1-2 days.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 16:14:02

With falling prices, collapsing demand and a massive and growing excess empty inventory of houses in CA, not to mention all the fraud in housing there, it’s clear these investors are underwater and in deep trouble.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:21:48

Saving for a down payment? It could take you until 2027
Published: Nov 5, 2014 6:01 a.m. ET
By Quentin Fottrell
Personal finance reporter

If first-time home buyers start saving for their down payment today, in 10 years they still won’t have enough stashed away.

Stagnant wages and rising property prices don’t bode well for first-time buyers who don’t have equity or wealthy parents to help them out. It takes an average of 12.5 years to save up a 20% down payment — the usual requirement by banks — with the current personal savings rate of 5.6%, according to new research by real-estate firm RealtyTrac. It could take even more than that. RealtyTrac’s figure is based on current house prices — and doesn’t take into account possible further rises in home prices.

“It’s too hard to get a loan today and when first-time buyers believe that, they won’t even begin their search,” says Rob Chrane, president and chief executive of Down Payment Resource, a web-based software company in Atlanta that aims to help potential house buyers qualify for a mortgage. RealtyTrac analyzed affordability in 512 U.S. counties with a combined population of 235 million with median household incomes based on Census Bureau data. The median price of a home is around $259,000, which would require a 20% down payment of $51,800.

If the down payment for a conventional loan was lowered to 3% from the traditional 20% — as has been suggested by Melvin Watt, director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency — it would take less than two years. “To increase access for creditworthy but lower-wealth borrowers, FHFA is also working with the Enterprises [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac] to develop sensible and responsible guidelines for mortgages with loan-to-value ratios between 95% and 97%,” he told the Mortgage Bankers Association last month.

Comment by scdave
2014-11-06 07:58:40

If first-time home buyers start saving for their down payment today, in 10 years they still won’t have enough stashed away ??

Here is another thought…It comes from the perspective of being around many early thirty somethings that I have known since they were little kids…

Most, almost all, tell me that they will never buy in our area…First, saving up the downpayment is hard…2nd, they have no desire to work that hard to save it, then still have to take on a massive mortgage due to high cost of housing….

Although they love it here, this is how they approach this housing things…Even if they are married with a budding family…Its their intent to stay and work their a$$es off…Save as much as they can…By mid-40’s, they will jettison the job, move out of the area or state, seek other employment and likely pay off their new residence free & clear…

 
Comment by bink
2014-11-06 08:09:32

“It takes an average of 12.5 years to save up a 20% down payment — the usual requirement by banks”

Was this article written in 1985?

Comment by rms
2014-11-06 14:06:17

“…save up a 20% down payment…”

The 20% down is so twentieth century. The twenty-first century is all about 3% down, and the seller slips that under the table.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:22:46

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stocks appear to be dropping sharply on the Republican rout. Is the handwriting on the wall for a premature death of born-again subprime lending?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:24:16

Check out the shellacking in GSE share prices today!

Fannie CEO: Low-down-payment mortgages ‘can be safely made’
Published: Nov 6, 2014 11:16 a.m. ET
By Ruth Mantell
Economics reporter

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch)—Low-down-payment mortgages “can be safely and responsibly made,” the chief executive of federally controlled housing-finance giant Fannie Mae said Thursday.

On a conference call after the company reported another quarter of profits, Fannie (FNMA, -5.17%) CEO Tim Mayopoulos said loans with down payments as low as 3% can perform well.

“We have substantial experience with these loans,” Mayopoulos said.

The Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates Fannie and sister company Freddie Mac (FMCC, -2.71%) recently announced that the government-sponsored enterprises are working to support mortgages with loan-to-value ratios of up to 97%. Fannie and Freddie had previously bought loans with such high LTV ratios, but both companies stopped that practice in recent years.

Some are concerned about the financial dangers posed by mortgages with a slim down payment. In response, Mayopoulos said Thursday that private capital will be in a first-loss position in case high-LTV loans go bad.

Mortgage insurers will have to conclude that these loans are prudent to make,” Mayopoulos said.

Comment by bink
2014-11-06 11:05:41

“We have substantial experience with these loans,” Mayopoulos said.

Being a highly paid executive requires a complete lack of self-awareness.

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Comment by taxpayers
2014-11-06 12:25:46

hope they privatize these country clubs- bennies=40% of pay

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 09:27:05

Crater

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 07:28:53

The Wall Street Journal
Oil at $70? ‘Panic in OPEC’
Published: Nov 6, 2014 9:16 a.m. ET
Getty Images
OPEC’s output ceiling could be cut if oil falls to $70
By Benoit Faucon
SummerSaid

VIENNA — OPEC would likely lower the ceiling on its collective production if oil prices fall to $70 a barrel, a level most of the group’s members don’t expect to see this year, according to several of the group’s officials.

At $70 a barrel, there will be panic in OPEC. We have become used to living with $100 a barrel,” said one OPEC official, speaking on the sidelines of a meeting of governors and other officials from the 12 members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.

OPEC governors are senior officials from member countries involved in formulating the group’s policy. They are meeting ahead of a full OPEC ministerial meeting on Nov. 27. OPEC ministers have so far failed to agree on a unified response to the roughly 25% slide in oil prices since the summer.

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 07:48:00

“We have become used to living with $100 a barrel…”

Actually, you extrapolated rising prices to the moon.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2014-11-06 07:56:01

Oh, come on. Now when has that ever happened with any asset or commodity?

 
Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 11:50:10

“We have become used to living with $100 a barrel…”

I have become used to living on less than I make…

Comment by rms
2014-11-06 14:08:56

“I have become used to living on less than I make…”

+1 You must belong to an ancient race.

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Comment by Neuromance
2014-11-06 08:34:37

I’ve always gotten the impression that the oil market was highly manipulated. It is an official cartel, of course.

This current action may well be aimed at the Russians, to dissuade further land-grabs from surrounding countries.

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 08:52:10

Maybe you are onto something there. Maybe all these oil producing countries around the world love Obama so much, that they have a huge conspiracy to cut oil prices, and throw their countries into depression, just to discourage any more former Soviets from deciding they would like to be Russians.

Or maybe there is another possible explanation.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:26:52

I thought OPEC was trying to break the back of its nascent competitor, the US fracking industry? We’ll see who wins this game of oil price chicken…

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Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 09:53:50

The game is called collapsing demand. The biggest losers will be the biggest misallocators, as in those who wouldn’t have existed without the global housing bubble.

I guessed one time that it took a barrel of oil to build 10 ft2 of house. Building enough housing for half the world’s population in China is a huge pressure on the oil market. Poof. It’s not price chicken, each oil producer is now leaning on their own sword.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-11-06 10:58:11

The game is called collapsing demand.

+1. Producers don’t intentionally leave billions and billions of dollars on the table in order to make a point. They are selling for what the market will bear, which is less than what it previously would bear.

 
Comment by mathguy
2014-11-06 15:08:41

I find it extra funny that they claim they will lower their ceiling to drive up the price. With the reduced cash flow due to the lower price, they will instead be clamoring to sell as many barrels as they can to make up for smaller profits with higher volume… They WILL be missing that extra money :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-11-06 07:32:43

Listening to the speeches yesterday and watching the results caused me to remember some what some posters here have said. It wasn’t that long ago, someone would say, “the GOP is dead. They are down to a few old white dudes. Stick a fork in them.” And others would dog pile in, completely sure the Republicans were in permanent, irreversible decline.

There are a bunch of things and people that will come out of this that I won’t like. But it is instructive to recall how certain that feeling was. I never could see it. After all, I can remember when Democrats were the party of segregation. These things flip-flop. I still think our biggest political problem is the 2 party system. And note that it is this system that will put people like John McCain back into powerful committee spots just because he’s been there a long time.

From what I’ve read this morning, it seems lots of people didn’t vote. Those who did have economic concerns. The incumbents who were up for election took a bigger hit than usual. Republicans have more to lose in 2016, seat wise. Maybe they will look down that road and see a mirror image to this election . I don’t know. Record high stocks, bonds, near record house prices, and wages are down. The rich are richer than ever. Seems like some pressure has been building and may continue to do so.

Comment by goon squad
2014-11-06 07:42:00

The Free Sh*t Army ain’t going nowhere.

And the GOP victories in this and possibly the next few election cycles are just a dead cat bounce on the way to the Permanent Democrat Supermajority. Yes, the Republican party may still exist, but voters will have the “choice” of voting for the Free Sh*t Party or the More Free Sh*t Party.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-11-06 08:10:24

‘voters will have the “choice”

I think that’s too simplistic. How many people out there with Obamaphones voted this week? 5%, less?

There are many concerns. For instance, it’s pretty telling that the NSA spying was hardly mentioned by either side. The President was initial elected as a peace candidate. I’d bet a lot of people who stayed home were on that wagon in 2008.

Let’s look at what didn’t motivate people. Stocks; anybody can buy stocks and should be feeling great. But many people don’t have the money to buy stocks. There’s a disconnect for you. House prices up, but people are still leaving houses to rent or not buying in the first place.

What was the big plan to get the US out of the “great recession”? Easy money, low interest rates. Sure, stocks and house prices took off. But high house prices and rents make us poorer. The central banks; their agenda and what’s good for the economy are two different things. I hope some lackey drops this comment in your box Janet Yellen.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-11-06 08:23:55

Here’s an example:

‘New York Fed President William C. Dudley and Chicago Fed President Charles Evans in recent weeks have invoked the lessons of 1937 as reason for caution as the central bank prepares for the first interest-rate increase since it lowered its benchmark federal funds rate to zero in 2008.

“I believe that the biggest risk we face today is prematurely engineering restrictive monetary conditions,” Evans said in a Sept. 24 speech in Washington. “The U.S. experience during the Great Depression — in particular, in 1937 — is a classic example for monetary historians.”

‘After a return to growth and inflation led the Fed to raise bank reserve requirements, and the government to reduce deficit spending, “the economy dropped back into recession and deflation,” Evans said.’

‘Dudley, answering questions at the Bloomberg Markets Most Influential Summit in New York Sept. 22, said premature tightening in the 1930s “turned out to be a horrible mistake. It’s actually characterized as the mistake of 1937.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-concern-repeat-1937-blunder-050000870.html

These guys act like it’s a one-way deal. There is no down side to lower rates. What about the junk bond market? What about people buying more house than they can afford? Even now, the government is pushing lower down payments. People forget circumstances can increase borrowing costs outside of central bank control. Like junk bond default. If you’ve built a pyramid based on ever higher house prices, history shows it can collapse.

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Comment by Neuromance
2014-11-06 08:32:31

Yellen had the famous speech some weeks ago, about how the poor should build up assets, financial and physical. While at the same time implementing policies to drive up the prices of those assets, keeping them ever further out of reach of the poor. It was a classic incoherent, Marie Antoinette Let-Them-Eat-Cake (LTEC) moment.

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Comment by Neuromance
2014-11-06 08:36:00

Is it part of the Fed’s mission to be manipulating asset prices?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-11-06 08:59:05

No it’s not, and a little reflection can show how much has changed. Greenspan really ignored house prices for a long time. He said there’s never been a national house price drop so it can’t happen. Then he did his mortgage equity withdrawal paper and reversed course. Bernanke actually established a policy that targeted house price increases. This had happened in the past with stocks, but now they were drawing in the general public on a scheme to boost the economy via housing equity. It was wildly dangerous all along, and now we see it didn’t work.

Another big picture change; central bank intervention over a long time period. What had been a few quarters of rate cuts here and there to get money moving around turned into multi-year asset purchases in the trillions. And it wasn’t just the US, another “unprecedented” situation. Remember the justification at the time; “congress is in a stalemate, so Bernanke has to act”.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2014-11-06 09:29:17

“but now they were drawing in the general public on a scheme to boost the economy via housing equity”

That was how it has been presented, but I would argue that internally to them it was never about the economy but rather about saving the banks. When housing collapsed virtually all the banks were insolvent by any comprehensive measure of their balance sheets. I would assert that most still are. The math that explains this is easily comprehended by a 2nd or 3rd grader. It takes a Harvard or Princeton PhD economist to not understand.

The insolvency was readily forestalled by the various bailouts, but only a longer term (decades long) artificial floor under housing prices could ever provide any real hope of keeping the banks afloat indefinitely.

I realize this isn’t any news to you, Ben, but it bears repeating over and over and over until people wake up and realize what has really happened, and why.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:32:34

“Is it part of the Fed’s mission to be manipulating asset prices?”

Um…I don’t think you are allowed to ask that question on a blog. It’s unlegal.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:34:59

My son has been reading about the “independent Federal Reserve Bank” for his high school history class. The more I read, the more convinced I become that they operate above the law of the land, aka the United States Constitution.

One has to wonder to what extent the economic predicament we find ourselves in has to do with enabling a central planning agency to take over America’s free enterprise system over 100 years ago.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-11-06 09:39:15

‘That was how it has been presented’

I agree, and that’s why I say their agenda isn’t the same as what is good for the economy. (I’m in a hotel and this laptop is new to me, so I skimp on typing).

I’ve often wondered what exactly motivates the Federal Reserve. I came to the conclusion it is to hold onto the power that they have. Recently, I saw an article calling Yellen the most powerful woman on earth.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:42:17

“Bernanke actually established a policy that targeted house price increases. This had happened in the past with stocks, but now they were drawing in the general public on a scheme to boost the economy via housing equity.”

The problem that seems to be missed with asset price manipulation is that pretty soon, private investment decisions are driven by expectations for bubble price gains and future manipulation in case a bubble pops, rather than by what is actually needed in the real economy to make individual American citizens better off. The eventual consequence is massive malinvestment in the latest bubble asset class.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-06 09:47:11

Anoter change; 10s of millions of people who have fallen out of the dream.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-06 11:10:08

It was a classic incoherent, Marie Antoinette Let-Them-Eat-Cake (LTEC) moment.

I had the very same thought. Of course the poors are utterly unaware that she said that.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-06 09:31:15

“I hope some lackey drops this comment in your box Janet Yellen.”

It must be somewhat flattering to know the Fed cares enough to monitor your blog.

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Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 11:43:41

Debt clock closing in on 18T. Free chit army continues to pile on the AmEx.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 07:46:58

“it seems lots of people didn’t vote”

The defeatist framework isn’t productive but I think it applies here. Why bother? Seriously. Why bother. The election outcomes since 1990 is more than enough proof enough that these guys are lying crooks, every last one of them, and swapping them out for another new set of crooks simply makes the voter part of the problem.

 
Comment by scdave
2014-11-06 08:04:31

It wasn’t that long ago, someone would say, “the GOP is dead ??

The real question is, Who is the GOP ?? They are so fragmented that its impossible to identify them today…State elections are confined to the area in question…National elections (President) effect everyone…This, IMO, is where the GOP comes unwound…Can’t get everyone on the same page…So they get a moderate like Romney and try and pull him to the right….Or, get a guy like Cruz and pull him to the center…

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 08:30:07

^ and right here is a perfect example of the problem.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-06 09:35:55

Who is the GOP ??

A good question. Colorado has been leaning GOP in the past few elections, and TABOR is as popular as ever. Yet at the same time voters decriminalized mj. An anti abortion amendment went down in flames on Tuesday.

As for the GOP being dead, IIRC the consensus here was that they would do well in the short term but that long term demographics do not favor them.

I doubt that Obama will issue an executive order amnesty, but if he does that will eventually lead to a profound change to the electorate demographics, depending on how many pursue citizenship instead of settling for a Green Card (it currently costs $680 to apply for citizenship). It makes you wonder if the Dems are willing to sacrifice the next election to gain a long term advantage.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 09:43:37

Strip out the cultural and social agenda platforms and the two are duplicates.

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Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-06 09:52:45

The Colorado GOP candidates are the products of entrenched dinosuars who dogmatically put forward only the worst sort of crony-capitalist neo-con stooges certain to appeal to the low IQs of the evangelical far-right. They deserve to lose, but the party apparatus will never learn the obvious lessons of seeing these grimly dogmatic, Elmer Gantry ideologues and Wall Street fluffers snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Comment by scdave
2014-11-06 08:06:26

The rich are richer than ever. Seems like some pressure has been building and may continue to do so ??

I agree…I think the whole jobs, income & inequality issues are the Elephant in the room for 2016….

Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 11:40:32

Looks like “trickle down economics” was a sham. They got theirs and kept it. No trickle, no jobs even with record profits on Wall St.

Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-11-06 23:25:42

Their answer:

“We’ve just got to do it a little longer. Trickle-down takes time. Just trust us.”

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:09:41

The trickle was yellow and warm.

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Comment by goon squad
2014-11-06 07:34:36

“the most direct consequences in Washington will surely be felt by the hundreds of Democratic congressional staffers who will be out of work in just two months”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/11/05/hundreds-of-democrats-to-be-jobless-in-the-great-shellacking-of-2016/

Yeah, right. Every single one of them will be absorbed into and recycled through the Media/Academia Social Justice Industrial Complex™ of joke jobs, as if any of them need jobs anyway, since they all have trust funds like every other Social Justice Warrior.

Also note that the article title says 2014 but the URL string says 2016, do the reall journalists at the Washington Post know something we don’t?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 07:50:58

“Financial Advisor”<——— That’s funny. Can you imagine? :mrgreen:

Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 11:48:58

They advise you to give them a lot of your money.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:10:41

I spent a lot of time and energy this year talking my parents into unhiring their financial advisors.

 
 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 07:52:10

States Benefiting Most From Obama’s Health Law Elected Republicans

Arkansas, Kentucky and West Virginia — states that saw substantial drops in the proportion of their residents without insurance — all elected Republican Senate candidates who oppose the Affordable Care Act. Control of the West Virginia state House of Delegates flipped from Democrats to Republicans. And Arkansas elected Republican supermajorities to both houses of its legislature along with a Republican governor, a situation that could imperil the Medicaid expansion that helped more than 200,000 of its poorest residents get health insurance.

That places that benefited most from the law still supported politicians who oppose it should not be a surprise. Republicans were the favorites in many of these races, and polling has shown that health reform had faded as a decisive issue for many voters. Counties that showed the biggest gains in insurance coverage were more likely to be strongly Republican-leaning than Democratic based on their 2012 presidential votes, according to an Upshot analysis of data from Enroll America and Civis Analytics. That pattern appears to have held.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/upshot/states-benefiting-most-from-obamas-health-law-elected-republicans.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

Comment by goon squad
2014-11-06 08:15:49

Teabaggers gonna bag, MikeyMite

And New York Times = DoublePlusGood

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 08:26:01

San Diego, CA Sale Prices Crater 5% YoY; Down 9% QoQ As Price Declines Accelerate

http://www.zillow.com/san-diego-ca-92130/home-values/

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-11-06 10:53:19

Median list price looks convincingly down; median sale price does not.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 11:00:57

Still in denial. Prices are down 5% YoY and falling faster.

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Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-06 08:32:13

Q: So if ObamaCare is such a plus, then why the flip?

A: Because ObamaCare isn’t a plus. Tens of millions have seen their deductibles skyrocket into the five figures, while simultaneously having a much higher monthly premium to pay.

It was much cheaper for me personally to get my own insurance. And it still is - but now I get to pay a fine.

Some deal.

Thanks, Obama.

Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-06 09:24:58

Tens of millions have seen their deductibles skyrocket into the five figure

Given that the deductible for the bronze plan is $5000 (which is still mind boggling) I don’t see how the above statement could be true.

Personally, I think Bronze HD plans are useless, so I’m OK with scrapping the ACA. You might as well be uninsured. It won’t cover anything short of being hospitalized for multiple days.

Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 11:19:40

Big insurance wins and rips us all off if we dont evolve and change ACA.

Other countries do it, why cant we?

A $5000 deductible is fine for healthy people who don’t see a dr very often. It keeps them from going broke if they crash a car and get airlifted to a hospital ( my friends trip was $37k)

In 2003-2006 I had Blue Cross , $144 mo. $5k deduct. $30 dr visits. Never used it.

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Comment by Dman
2014-11-06 11:42:53

Health care has become such a racket that you need an insurance company to negotiate lower rates for services. That’s right, hospitals can charge you more for the same procedure if you don’t have insurance. The insurance company is like the godfather who provides you protection, for a price. It’s sad when something that people rely on becomes comparable to a gangster movie.
The ACA provides more people with protection, but it’s still not enough. I predict that if the Dems ever get a big majority and the White House, single-payer will be passed. Then the crooks will howl.

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Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 12:36:16

I had an overnight sleep test done for apnea. The sleep center sent insurance co a bill for $1740. Allowed amount was $158 from Blue Cross. So sleep co took $158 as full payment.
If I was uninsured they would have tried to get $1740 for the service ! What a racket indeed!! I would like to post this Blue Cross invoice on facebook.

 
Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-11-06 23:29:53

If your name was Juan Pablo Martinez and you just so happened to not have a green card, birth cert, or SS#, it’s “free.”

 
Comment by Avocado
2014-11-07 11:14:49

not true. they would not offer it

only e- room is free (or used to be before ACA)

 
 
Comment by oxide
2014-11-06 11:51:25

Isn’t that the point of catastrophic coverage? Especially for youngs and singles, they can buy their own physicals and stitches for the less than the price of premiums. But if they get in an accident or unexpected cancer, they are covered.

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Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 10:45:54

Q: So if ObamaCare is such a plus, then why the flip?

A: Because ObamaCare isn’t a plus. Tens of millions have seen their deductibles skyrocket into the five figures, while simultaneously having a much higher monthly premium to pay.

No, that’s not the answer. The NY Times article had a link to a previous article which began with this:

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — The Affordable Care Act allowed Robin Evans, an eBay warehouse packer earning $9 an hour, to sign up for Medicaid this year. She is being treated for high blood pressure and Graves’ disease, an autoimmune disorder, after years of going uninsured and rarely seeing doctors.

“I’m tickled to death with it,” Ms. Evans, 49, said of her new coverage as she walked around the Kentucky State Fair recently with her daughter, who also qualified for Medicaid under the law. “It’s helped me out a bunch.”

But Ms. Evans scowled at the mention of President Obama — “Nobody don’t care for nobody no more, and I think he’s got a lot to do with that,” she explained — and said she would vote this fall for Senator Mitch McConnell, the Kentucky Republican and minority leader, who is fond of saying the health care law should be “pulled out root and branch.”

Ms. Evans said she did not want the law repealed but had too many overall reservations about Democrats to switch her vote. “Born and raised Republican,” she said of herself. “I ain’t planning on changing now.”

Kentucky is arguably one of the health law’s biggest early successes, with about 10 percent of the population getting coverage through the state’s online insurance marketplace — albeit mostly through Medicaid, not private plans — and none of the technology failures that plagued other enrollment websites. The uninsured rate here has fallen to 11.9 percent from 20.4 percent, according to a recent Gallup poll that found only Arkansas had experienced a steeper decline.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/us/politics/kentucky-elections-obama-health-care-act.html

Comment by Dman
2014-11-06 14:24:02

I hope Mitch McConnell is successful and manages to end Obamacare in Kentucky, just so this woman loses her coverage. “I ain’t got no insurance.” Welcome to the real world, jack ass.

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Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-11-06 23:30:57

I hope Mitch McConnell croaks.

 
 
Comment by reedalberger
2014-11-07 03:14:41

If she votes for Marxists, she may have health care, but eventually her meager $9.00/hr job would cease to exist. That’s why she loathes Obama and his like.

I think we could make it possible for low income workers to qualify for Medicaid without this disastrous ACA.

#FundamentalTransformationOfAmerica

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Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 11:37:27

no fine if you have insurance. you can get your own.

Insurance through an employer has always cost the employer a lot more than an individual getting his own.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-06 07:59:26

This is an opinion piece titled “Republicans, Meet Science” written by real journalists at the New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/05/opinion/frank-bruni-republicans-meet-science.html

And this is a repost of an article titled “Why Republicans Keep Telling Everyone They’re Not Scientists” written by real journalists at the New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/us/why-republicans-keep-telling-everyone-theyre-not-scientists.html

And now back to your regularly scheduled Drudge Report links

Comment by Bring Back the WPA
2014-11-06 08:50:32

As the impacts of climate change slowly ramp up and become more obvious with time, it will be entertaining to watch the GOP reverse themselves and backpedal on this issue.

Comment by 2banana
2014-11-06 08:59:17

And the only thing that can save us is bigger and bigger government, more and more regulations and higher and higher taxes…

Comment by Bring Back the WPA
2014-11-06 10:33:16

Not just government… the private sector is way ahead of the GOP on climate change. 70% of the companies in the S&P 500 have implemented climate change risk management and strategic planning in their operations. [ source: CDP S&P 500 Climate Change Report 2014 ]

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 13:46:48

“Even in the absence of the excess empty housing inventory estimated in the tens of millions, historically housing prices fall. Why? Because houses depreciate. ALWAYS.”

Exactly.

 
 
Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 11:42:33

Reagan raised taxes 8x, grew the gov, and added regulations.

But, now you are against this?

Hey GOP, if you dont want higher taxes, dont get us into a 13 yr war at $9 mill a day with no end in site.

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Comment by Dman
2014-11-06 11:53:29

Yes, I would rather have mass starvation and global ecological catastrophes than pay higher taxes, as long as the government provides me with food and shelter.

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Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 16:15:09

I am the only Republican that thinks food stamps are a good idea and save us money in the long run.

Jail is $49k per person per yr BTW.

 
 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 16:23:43

“As the impacts of climate change slowly ramp up and become more obvious with time, it will be entertaining to watch the GOP reverse themselves and backpedal on this issue.”

Behind the Green Mask

Follow the Money

Bicameral Task Force on Climate Change Letter
Posted on April 9, 2013

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 10:18:10

Why Republicans Keep Telling Everyone They’re Not Scientists

The short explanation is that it’s a way for Republicans to avoid answering questions that they don’t want to answer. On the Democratic side the woman who ran for the Senate in Kentucky refused to say whether she voted for Obama.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 07:59:52

Posted on 11/05/2014

Older Voters Tilt Strongly to GOP in Senate Battleground States

Older voters were a dominant part of the GOP’s nationwide coalition as Republicans took control of the Senate and apparently made a double-digit gain of House seats in the Nov. 4 election. Similar patterns applied in virtually all of the Senate battleground states, according to a national Election Day survey.

Of four broad age groups, voters 65 and older were the strongest supporters of Republican candidates, according to data in the national exit poll conducted by the National Election Pool, a consortium of ABC News, the Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News and NBC News. The data was shared with many other news organizations.

The nationwide total of nearly 20,000 respondents showed that Republicans led 56 percent to 43 percent among those 65 and older, and 52 percent to 46 percent among those ages 45 to 64. By contrast, Democrats led 55 percent to 43 percent among those 18 to 29, and 51 percent to 47 percent among those 30 to 44.

Similar exit polls were conducted in most states with a competitive campaign for a Senate seat. In at least four states where Republicans took what had been a Democratic-controlled seat, they performed best among the oldest voters.

Of those states, the age disparity was most pronounced in Iowa and North Carolina. Republican Joni Ernst won Iowa over Rep. Bruce Braley by 56 percent to 42 percent among those 65 and older, and 52 percent to 47 percent among those 45 to 64. Ernst lost 43 percent to 54 percent among those 18 to 29, and 48 percent to 49 percent among those 30 to 44. In North Carolina, Republican Thom Tillis’ contest with Sen. Kay Hagan had comparable margins.

http://blog.aarp.org/2014/11/05/older-voters-tilt-strongly-to-gop-in-senate-battleground-states/

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 08:18:54

Huntington Beach, CA Sale Prices Plummet 21% YoY; Housing Inventory Skyrockets

http://www.zillow.com/huntington-beach-ca-92646/home-values/

 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-06 08:19:45

“Take America back”

“Restore our future”

Et cetera

LOLZ

 
Comment by Dman
2014-11-06 11:55:46

“Older Voters Tilt Strongly to GOP in Senate Battleground States”

Pretty soon Republicans will be canvassing funeral homes for voters.

 
Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 12:38:52

Old people are afraid of being beheaded before Ebola kills them. (the GOP platform)

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 13:44:33

What’s really going on with housing in California?

California imposed a new law on banks innocuously called “Homeowners Bill of Rights” which forces banks to switch over to a judicial foreclosure process, which they can opt to do on their own, but takes a year or more to renegotiate contracts and compensation structures for the foreclosure law firms who do all the leg work for the banks. And while those changes are being made… it makes it appear that foreclosures have slowed down dramatically in the state.

The reality?

Defaults (undeclared) are spiraling upward that yet have to pass through the foreclosure pipeline.

The truth?

California is still the highest foreclosure state in sheer volume and percentage.

The low-down?

Resale housing is still massively overpriced as a result of unprecedented interference by individual states and the federal government. The market distortions will be removed and the down draft will continue allowing the market to correct.

With millions of excess empty houses and housing demand at 19 year lows, housing prices have a long way to fall. A very long way to fall.

 
 
Comment by reedalberger
2014-11-07 04:24:41

“Older Voters Tilt Strongly to GOP in Senate Battleground States”

I guess you will have to wait a few more years for your marxist revolution.

#FundamentalTransformationOfAmerica

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2014-11-06 08:48:13

“Bribery is an act of giving money or gift giving that alters the behavior of the recipient, where the gift is of a dishonest nature. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black’s Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.”

But the big Romney and Obama donors are not trying to influence public officials?

Question: How are these big, influential donations not subject to bribery laws? I understand that we’re supposed to imagine that it’s a logical construct (corporation) giving money to a logical construct (politician’s shell corporation). But the logical constructs don’t do anything on their own - it’s people giving money to politicians while performing a ritual song and dance designed to absolve them of wrongdoing.

It’s very curious. Goldman Sachs is not a top donor of either of these candidates out of a sense of magnanimity.

Comment by 2banana
2014-11-06 09:04:41

Hey - anyone see a PATTERN HERE???

———————-

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014

1 ActBlue $124,142,516 - UNION
2 National Education Assn $73,795,231 - UNION
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $66,986,218 UNION
4 National Assn of Realtors $64,805,267
5 AT&T Inc $59,456,031
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $48,593,414 - UNION
7 Goldman Sachs $47,497,295
8 American Assn for Justice $45,216,290 - UNION
9 Carpenters & Joiners Union $45,093,750 - UNION
10 United Auto Workers $43,364,375 - UNION
11 Laborers Union $41,402,639 - UNION
12 Service Employees International Union $40,652,457 - UNION
13 Communications Workers of America $38,450,995 - UNION
14 American Federation of Teachers $38,050,160 - UNION
15 AFL-CIO $37,855,693 - UNION
16 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $37,473,121- UNION
17 Teamsters Union -$36,373,152 - UNION

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Comment by California
2014-11-06 09:19:43

4 National Assn of Realtors $64,805,267

These people paid $64 million in what are essentially bribes. Unreal

Comment by iftheshoefits
2014-11-06 10:46:13

And they pay those sums to buy specific types of legislative activities that are slowly but steadily destroying the underpinnings of their industry and livelihood.

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Comment by rms
2014-11-06 14:22:30

Tragedy of the Commons?

 
 
 
Comment by rj chicago
2014-11-06 09:27:12

Anyone read that book on union cronyism by a guy named Mallory Factor? Came out a couple years back.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 10:59:59

The unions have been in decline for 40 years. That decline is one of the major causes of the decline of the American middle class, also referred to as the rise in inequality. It could be that the unions are not getting much for all of their campaign contributions.

On the other hand, it’s deceptive to excerpt just the top 17 organizations on the list. There are a total of 155 and a quick scan shows that a large majority of them are businesses or groups of businesses.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2014-11-06 12:57:10

Declining unions are not a cause of the general decline, but rather a symptom.

Private sector unions were done in by their own successes. The internal corruption in the leadership of the various national organizations became massive. The high wages they successfully bargained for eventually left their workers uncompetitive globally, after other nations finally recovered from WWII and rebuilt their manufacturing bases. People in many foreign countries were (and still are) willing to work for much less than American workers. This will always be the case. There is nothing that pro or anti union sentiment or legislation can do about that.

And public sector unions are not in decline in the least. Of course you know this, it’s just inconvenient to mention.

I’m not someone who believes that unions are the cause of all of our woes. Once upon a time they were a net plus, now they’re no longer helping the situation. There’s nothing I feel that can be done about this, other than avoiding interaction with them as much as possible. Kind of like TBTF banks.

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Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 13:14:52

Yes, I know that public sector unions are not in decline, but the union movement as a whole has been.

You overstate the point about workers being uncompetitive internationally. There are plenty of workers, for example in the service sector, who do not compete against workers in other countries.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2014-11-06 16:48:43

You’re right, not all work is competitive globally, but with our advanced digital connectivity, more and more is all the time. If one is not aware and honest with themselves regarding the real supply and demand factors surrounding their work, well let’s just say there will be surprises ahead.

This isn’t some theoretical notion I have, it hits right home. I get average engineer’s compensation here in the US (I work independently), but there are engineers in India willing to do what I do for as little as 25% of what I’m paid. So I stick to things that are difficult to farm out remotely, particularly providing valuable on site engineering services. We would really prefer to live remote from where I work, but I’m not sure I keep enough of my advantage in that case, considering many of the Indian professionals are willing to come over, team up 4 or 5 in a cheap apartment, just to be near the work if it helps.

I’m still doing OK at this point, but if the scales tip, I’m not sure how the government or a union are going to help me. Unless we put up severe work barriers for foreigners, but that’s not the way we’re trending, and it would only go so far. I’ll have to adapt again somehow or find something else to do.

When I look at efforts to prop up wages by union or legislative fiat, it’s really no different to me than propping up house prices, or the price of some foodstuff, or failed corporations or banks. You’re only postponing the inevitable, but no one seems to recognize that any more.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-06 17:28:07

When I look at efforts to prop up wages by union or legislative fiat, it’s really no different to me than propping up house prices, or the price of some foodstuff, or failed corporations or banks. You’re only postponing the inevitable, but no one seems to recognize that any more.

When workers don’t have a union, they negotiate with employers as individuals. When they have a union, they negotiate as a group, and generally get better pay, benefits and working conditions. The term collective bargaining is used to describe negotiating as a group.

I’ve heard the sentiment expressed elsewhere that employees negotiating as individuals is a “market” phenomenon, while employees negotiating as a group is a non-market way of doing things that will lead to trouble in the long run. It reminds me of that old TV commercial with the saying, “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature”. The market represents nature and interfering with nature can bring trouble. I don’t really think that there’s a lot of evidence to support this notion that unions will lead to problems in that way.

There’s one other thing that you should keep in mind about your own situation. if you happen to work in software engineering or computer hardware design, you’re working in an industry that was built on corporate welfare. The federal government paid for a huge share of the research and development that the industry relied on going way back to the early days of the industry.

On the other hand, the fact the government developed the internet and also gave paid for a lot of the R & D that the aerospace industry was built on enables the outsourcing to India that threatens your salary.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2014-11-06 21:49:53

I have no problem whatsoever with collective bargaining in the private sector. If it’s not forced, it absolutely is a market phenomenon IMO. I’ve chosen not to go that direction for a whole host of reasons, for better and for worse.

Collective bargaining can be very effective. As long as America owned virtually the entire supply of labor it worked great. I’m not sure that it works anymore except in limited cases though.

Everything is built on corporate welfare now, it seems. I don’t live off government business, but if it weren’t for the bailouts my main client would have probably lost enough of their large TBTF bank customers that I would been let go a few years back.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 09:34:15

Hows our Donald Trump acolytes? Skeeerd? You should be.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2014-11-06 09:43:02

Rome lived upon its principal till ruin stared it in the face. Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought out nothing but loads of dung. That was their return cargo.

– The Martyrdom of Man by Winwood Reade (1871)

I see the above version playing out in most towns I visit in the Country

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-06 09:46:54

If the decline in the intelligence of the population is illustrated by the sheeple who voted for Obama, McCain, and Romney, the decline in public and private morality and ethics is illustrated by the increasing dishonesty and propensity to steal by American workers. One wonders how much of this thievery is driven by the moral hazard promoted by the Fed, and the brazen larceny and fraud committed with impunity by Wall Street while the DoJ, enforcers, and regulators turn a blind eye. Workers also seem to feel little allegiance or affinity toward corporate employers who treat them like expendable “head count.”

More and more, We the People are mirroring the decline and fall of the empires that have preceeded us, especially in the growing coarseness and baseness of the population.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-workers-are-big-time-thieves-far-worse-than-in-other-countries-2014-11-06

American workers steal from their employers — a lot.

The Global Retail Theft Barometer released Thursday by Checkpoint Systems finds that American employees steal from their employers at significantly higher rates than workers in other countries, with the exception of Argentina. While in most countries shoplifting makes up the bulk of shrinkage (in layman’s terms, shrinkage is the difference between the revenue businesses should have received and the revenue they do receive, and is thanks in large part to losses from shoplifting, employee theft and vendor/supplier fraud), in the U.S., the bulk of shrinkage is due to employees stealing from their employers. Indeed, 43% of shrinkage in the U.S. is due to employee theft (vs. 37% from shoplifting). Globally, it’s just 28% from employee theft (vs. 39% from shoplifting).

Comment by Larry Littlefield
2014-11-06 13:15:50

“American employees steal from their employers at significantly higher rates than workers in other countries, with the exception of Argentina.”

It’s funny. Younger generations of Americans are worse off then those who came before to a much greater extent that those in other countries — with the exception of Argentina.

Our future is positively Argentine.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-11-06 10:04:50

I was just perusing the Fannie Mae Credit Supplement for Q3.

The stat that jumped out at me was this:

Florida has 5.6% of FNM’s single family loan guarantees, and 33.7% of their credit losses.

Wow.

FL, IL, and NJ represent 50% of all of FNM’s credit losses.

Double Wow.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 10:07:53

Yet non-FNM losses in CA are far greater.

Comment by Rental Watch
2014-11-06 14:33:06

Do you have a source, or are you simply making up the data?

Black Knight Financial Services has insight into loans far beyond FNM. The non-current loan rate in CA according to Black Knight (formerly LPS) is now 4.3% (7th lowest in the country). This would strongly imply that you are making up the data again.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 16:10:42

Your foolish wagers on depreciating assets(houses) are failing you.

Accusing me of making anything up while you quote convicted felons?

Priceless.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 10:18:35

California, Florida and Illinois Top List Of Fannie Foreclosure Acquisitions

http://www.fanniemae.com/resources/file/ir/pdf/quarterly-annual-results/2014/q32014_credit_summary.pdf

Comment by Rental Watch
2014-11-06 14:54:49

You’re right.

And from the same page, Fannie’s total inventory of REO in CA at the end of the quarter was a grand total of…

…3,881.

About 1 day worth of home sales in the state.

You’d think with your claimed 4.4 million of excess defaulted housing inventory in CA alone, FNM would have more than 0.1% of that number on their books, wouldn’t you?

Comment by Rental Watch
2014-11-06 15:07:19

And a reality check.

FNM also has their 2004 10-K available on their Quarterly/Annual Results web page.

In that report, page 153 to be precise, they note the ending inventory of REO on their books each of 2002, 2003, and 2004.

Those numbers are, 9,975…13,749…and…18,361.

California is about 14% of the country (by population), and 20% of money lent by FNM.

Puts 4k into perspective.

Comment by Rental Watch
2014-11-06 15:10:45

And to pile on…back to your page of the FNM Credit Supplement, CA’s seriously delinquency rate is 0.73% of their loans. The national average is 1.96%.

FL is 4.87%
IL is 2.46%
NJ is 5.83%

On their Credit Loss Concentration page (page 16), they don’t even single out CA, because they chose the top then states with highest percentage of credit losses…CA didn’t break the top 10.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 16:06:59

With 4.4 million excess empty and defaulted houses in CA, FNM’s inventory is nothing but raindrops in the desert.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2014-11-07 14:43:15

Your metaphor is right on. FNM’s inventory of REO is nothing but raindrops in the desert.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-07 19:55:40

By comparison but still problematic for a corrupt FNM.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 11:04:30

I love how the GOP is stating people voted for “change.” Yet they re-elected the same kooks who have done nothing since the Bush era when they had full control to pass what they wanted. I guess “this time is different.” Says McConnell (been there for 30yrs). O did not change the Bush direction, same wars, same QE, same bailouts…. so what is our “new direction?” Are we going to cut taxes and increase the deficit even more? Cut entitlements to people , leave them for corporations? Grow the gov like Reagan?

whats new?

Reagan = tripled the deficit
Bush = Doubled it ( no wars on books)
Clinton = surplus
O = up 95% (wars now on the books)

Know Your Party 101

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 12:41:20

Remember. …. Houses are depreciating assets that never pay you back.

Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 13:56:15

Unless your timing is good.
My situation
Bought , 4 yr old house for $310k in 2003
Sold $425k 2005 (exactly 2 yrs to avoid short term gains too)

YMMV

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 14:12:25

uh huh. ;)

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Comment by Avocado
2014-11-06 16:16:24

How much will you give me if I prove it? $500?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 16:23:05

I’d be begging for spare change too if I were you.

 
Comment by Avocado
2014-11-07 11:16:06

wuss!

 
 
Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 17:32:30

You should have waited one more year.

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Comment by Puggs
2014-11-06 12:09:35

“I hate debt so much I’m shedding it like it’s going out of style!”

You know it!!

 
Comment by rj chicago
2014-11-06 12:51:53

The great public says it all - I am not a big Schiff fan but this memo seems to summarize the angst of America - its disgust with politics, its fear of the future, its anger and on and on. Things are not good on main street folks.

http://www.europac.net/commentaries/its_economy_and_theyre_not_stupid

 
Comment by Larry Littlefield
2014-11-06 12:53:40

Lots of talk about politics and the two party monopoly here. But has anybody ever done anything about it?

I did, with a minor party protest campaign against the local hack state legislator.

http://www.ipny.org/littlefield/civicunion2020.html

I didn’t get very far, but I’m proud I tried.

Unless you are in a swing state at the federal level, and a swing district otherwise, your vote on Election Day doesn’t matter. Other actions are required. This week I wrote in my own name for one office where the incumbent hack was unchallenged, and Daffy Duck for another.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 13:55:08

Whatever happened to Krusty Perkins?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 14:19:27

Walnut Creek, CA Sale Prices Turn Negative on Year; Down 5% MoM

http://www.zillow.com/walnut-creek-ca/home-values/

 
Comment by frankie
2014-11-06 15:36:46

Two different headlines but the same event; just goes to show how you can spin news

Brussels anti-austerity protest ends in clash

Belgian police have used tear gas and water cannon against violent anti-austerity protesters in central Brussels after a largely peaceful march by about 100,000 workers.

Several vehicles were set ablaze by protesters at the end of the march. They also hurled cobblestones and smoke flares at police in the capital.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29944648

Brussels burns: Violence erupts in Belgian capital as more than 100,000 protesters clash with riot police during demonstrations against EU austerity measures

Water cannons and tear gas were used in the centre of the Belgium capital as riot police tried to bring the situation under control. Fighting broke out soon after the end of a largely peaceful march organised by trade unions and left wing politicians. ‘Metal barriers were thrown at the police, together with stones, and then the situation rapidly got worse,’ said demonstrator Gilles Broussard. ‘Hundreds of riot police were involved in trying to bring the situation under control - it all got very nasty.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-06 16:02:28

Region VIII

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 16:28:59

Living Behind the Green Mask in RegionIV

Seven50: It’s Agenda 21’s Baby Cousin in Florida

That’s seven counties — Monroe, Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucie and Indian River — all under regional control within 50 years.

Oops. I just called Seven50 Agenda 21’s baby cousin.

We write to commend you on the formation of the Bicameral Task Force and for reaching out so broadly in search of solutions to meaningfully address global climate change. We write under the same cover, and on behalf of our region.

Sincerely,

Mayor Steven L. Abrams, Palm Beach County
Mayor Kristin Jacobs, Broward County
Mayor George Neugent, Monroe County
Mayor Woodrow L. Hay, City of Boynton Beach
Mayor John P. “Jack” Seiler, City of Fort Lauderdale
Mayor Matti Herrera Bower, City of Miami Beach
Mayor Craig Cates, City of Key West

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 16:20:43

California Housing Demand Plunges 14% YoY; Demand Craters Every Year Since 2010

http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/State/State_Turnover_AllHomes.csv

 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 16:59:20

German Bank Charging NEGATIVE Interest to its Customers

Bank charges customers for storing money created by bank

by Simon Black | LewRockwell.com | November 6, 2014

Just three months ago, Mario Draghi (President of the European Central Bank) embarked on his own Quixotic folly by taking certain interest rates into NEGATIVE territory.

Draghi convinced himself that he was saving Europe from disaster. And like Don Quixote, everyone else has had to pay the price for his delusions.

On November 1st, the first European bank has passed along these negative interest rates to its retail customers.

So if you maintain a balance of more than 500,000 euros at Deutsche Skatbank of Germany, you now have the privilege of paying 0.25% per year… to the bank.

 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 17:07:47

Enjoy

Homebuyers’ nightmare: Homeless, in limbo for six months

OAKLAND — When Francisco Nieto and Mirella Rangel sold their house near Mills College this year, they wound up in a limbo of homelessness that’s snagged many move-up buyers in the Bay Area’s overheated real estate market.

For six months, from February to August, they lived like nomads, staying with friends and then hop-scotching from one Airbnb rental to the next while managing the sale of their two-bedroom home and struggling to find a larger one they liked and could afford.

“We were gathering all our clothes and packing the car up every Sunday,” Rangel said. “Everybody had one duffle bag, and there was one duffle bag for Tupperware, olive oil, sugar — everything. We had to carry it with us, in two cars, and move to the next place and do it again the following Sunday.”

Nieto said he and the kids — Sabina, 8, and Lucio, 10 — actually enjoyed their homeless rambling. “I kind of like bouncing around and being nomadic,” he said. Rangel was less enthusiastic.

The family is now happily settling into their 3-bedroom home in the upper Rockridge section of Oakland, purchased for $850,000. They beat out a cash offer by agreeing to let the owners stay in the house for a month while they looked for a home to buy.

“We said, “We’ve been living out of a suitcase for all these months, what’s one more month?’ That is what got us the house,” Nieto said.

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-11-06 17:25:00

Please don’t post entire articles.

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 18:09:57

OK

Sorry

 
 
 
Comment by TriangleMan
2014-11-06 17:19:31

Dear HBBers,

Can you guys give me your opinions and check my thought process? You are the only community that I feel I can trust when it comes to real estate.

I’m 32 and I’ve always been a committed renter. I followed HBB and others back in 2007-08, pre-crash and I avoided dooming myself with homeownership. (I did fall for student loan slavery, but that’s another story).

I rent a 2-bedroom apartment with my long-term girlfriend, in a near-downtown area of a 1-million+ midwestern city. We each earn about $50,000. During the 6 years that we’ve lived here, our neighborhood has become extremely desirable. Our rent has gone up from $750 to $1150. (And the cardboard box houses around us are selling for $300,000+.)

Just across the highway is an economically depressed area where rehabbed houses are selling for $60-80,000 and foreclosures are even less. In our analysis, this area is #1 on the city’s priority list to revitalize. The city is diverting tons of money there, has built new infrastructure, and artists have begun moving in.

For the first time, it seems to make economic sense to buy. Our mortgage would be somewhere between $350-$500 a month. I love renting. I love having free landscaping, free maintenance, and a beautiful neighborhood. But it seems that the cost/benefit analysis has clearly shifted to favor buying.

What do you all think? And, if buying makes sense, how can I do it without a realtor?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 17:29:55

Where? Show us a link with these fantasy rental increase?

The reality is rental rates are falling and so are housing prices. Even in NYC.

Comment by TriangleMan
2014-11-06 17:46:15

By where, you mean which city? Columbus OH, Victorian Village neighborhood.
I don’t have a link to the historical annual rents in my complex. I can assure you that our rent has gone up from $750-$1150 in 6 years.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 18:45:24

uh huh.

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Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-11-06 19:35:15

I drove through Columbus, although on the freeway. Seems a far nicer place than Cleveland. My folks are from northern Ohio.

When I was 31 I bought a house. Biggest mistake of my life. And you are not married. The Harry Browne “How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World” in me says if you buy a house, only one of the couple should buy the house (and do not marry - it’s a trap).

I rented since 1996. Have felt more freedom ever since. I later became a traveling consultant and made tons of money. Something I would never think of if I still owned that house.

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Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-06 18:25:13

“and artists have begun moving in.”

I don’t think that worked here.

Artists buying cheap houses in Detroit

Cory Doctorow at 11:33 pm Tue, Mar 17, 2009

A small colony of artists is cropping up in Detroit, taking advantage of the bottomed-out property prices, buying houses for as little as $100:

boingboing.net/2009/03/17/artists-buying-cheap.html - 123k -

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-06 18:56:47

“Why buy a house at these massively inflated asking prices when you can rent a house for half the monthly cost?”

Exactly. Asking prices are grossly inflated and falling. Buy later after housing prices crater for 65% less.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:18:39

Wither gold?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:24:19

ft dot com > Markets >
Commodities
November 6, 2014 8:42 am
Gold price bears take charge of bullion
Henry Sanderson

When the price of gold collapsed in the summer of 2013 Chinese buyers stepped in sensing a bargain, in the process putting China ahead of India as the world’s largest consumer of the precious metal.

This year, however, Chinese buyers have been conspicuous by their absence – and gold prices this week have hit a four-year low. Retail consumption fell by a fifth to 754.8 tonnes in the first nine months of the year compared with the same period last year, according to the China Gold Association, and few analysts believe it will rebound in the coming months even though bullion is at a five-year low in local currency terms.

“There is a natural caution on the part of buyers and they don’t want to catch the proverbial falling knife,” says Philip Klapwijk, managing director of Precious Metals Insights, an industry publication. “Chinese consumers are a little bit wary – last year they piled in with the correction of the price. There isn’t the same conviction that it’s a temporary blip down [this year].”

After two sell-offs in April and June of 2013, driven by a more optimistic view on the US economy, gold dropped by almost 30 per cent, bringing to a shuddering halt a decade-long bull run. As western global investors in exchange traded gold funds sold, Chinese buyers moved in.

This year the market is being buffeted by similar headwinds. The US dollar has risen to its highest level in four years amid signs the world’s biggest economy is recovering, and China’s domestic stock markets turned positive, giving investors other investment options.

“The bears seem to be well and truly in charge. Near term, it is hard to argue otherwise,” says ANZ analyst Victor Thianpiriya.

Analysts are not surprised by the lack of Chinese buying, noting that last year’s purchases took place after prices had fallen 15 per cent during a short period.

This has not happened in 2014. While gold recently touched $1,147 a troy ounce, the lowest since April 2010, prices are down little more than 4 per cent in the year to date. To get to a 15 per cent decline, gold would have to be trading at $1,050.

“What precipitated it last year was not so much the level but the move – it went down in a matter of weeks – and buyers were anticipating a rebound,” Matthew Turner of Macquarie said.

While there was a pick-up in Chinese physical demand in September and most of October it has not been enough to stabilise the price. Indeed, in recent days bullion on the Shanghai Gold Exchange has traded at a discount to the price in London, which according to analysts is a negative price signal.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:28:06

Remember Lehman’s collapse? Holdings in gold’s biggest fund are now back to that level
Debarati Roy
Bloomberg News
Published Wednesday, Nov. 05 2014, 2:37 PM EST
Last updated Wednesday, Nov. 05 2014, 3:02 PM EST

Gold bears are betting that the rout in the metal isn’t over, sending assets in the biggest bullion-backed fund to the lowest since the month that Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapsed.

Holdings in the SPDR Gold Trust slid 0.3 per cent Tuesday to 738.8 tonnes, the lowest since September 2008. Oil’s tumble into a bear market and the Federal Reserve’s exit from bond buying have cut the appeal of bullion as a hedge against rising consumer costs.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:31:35

China Gold Buying Means Price Floor to Standard Chartered
By Debarati Roy and Nicholas Larkin
Nov 6, 2014 11:15 PM PT

The cheapest gold in four years is proving irresistible for shoppers in China and India, where rebounding demand may signal an end to the longest price slump in more than a decade.

Purchases in Asia will help support prices that are headed for the first two-year decline since 2000, Standard Chartered Plc said. While surging equities and tame inflation have eroded gold’s appeal as a hedge, sending bullion tumbling to $1,132.16 an ounce today, prices are nearing the lows forecast by banks from Citigroup Inc. to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:36:20

Miners facing ‘bloodbath’ if gold sinks to $1,000
CEO of the largest London-listed gold miner sounds a warning for the industry
By John Ficenec
2:52PM GMT 06 Nov 2014

The boss of the largest London-listed gold miner said his industry is suffering and is facing a “bloodbath” if the price of the precious metal sinks to $1,000 an ounce.

Mark Bristow, chief executive of Randgold Rresources, said: “The [gold mining] industry is clearly stuffed at $1,140 and it will be a bloodbath at $1,000.”

The price of gold is testing four-year lows. It fell again today - down 0.4pc to $1,142.8 per ounce at midday.

Mr Bristow, who was speaking at his company’s third quarter results presentation in London, said demand for gold is as strong as ever. However, he believes that the industry has failed to learn the lessons from a cyclical market and is “pumping out” unprofitable gold into the market after years of expansion.

He believes that the business plans of many companies are based on the price of gold being around $1,300 per ounce. This did not look outlandish when the price hit $1,900 in 2011 but is making things difficult now.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:38:22

Are you ridiculously optimistic about stocks?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-07 00:39:44

Buyer beware? Investor sentiment at highest level of 2014
Published: Nov 6, 2014 3:32 p.m. ET
Optimism can turn into a cautionary tale, in a hurry
Irrational exuberance?
By Anora Mahmudova
Reporter

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — A scary selloff in U.S. stocks that gripped markets last month may seem like a gauzy memory, by now. Major U.S. stock benchmarks are hurtling to new heights.

So, have the halcyon days for stocks returned? At first glance, the answer appears to be, yes.

Eyeballing the most recent investor-sentiment survey from The American Association of Individual Investors indicates that optimism is at its highest level since Dec. 26, 2013, while pessimism fell to a nine-year low.

More than half of people surveyed are optimistic that markets will rise over the next six months, while only 15% expect markets to fall, as the chart included shows.

It’s important to note that many market watchers use the AAII survey as a contrarian indicator. Meaning high optimism can signal that it’s not the best time to be a buyer because the markets are hopped up on a major dose of irrational exuberance. After all, if everyone is already bullish, who’s left to buy?

At current levels, optimism is unusually high and pessimism is unusually low, AAII wrote, in a report accompanying its survey results, adding that “historically, such occurrences have been followed by lower-than-average levels of market gains.”

 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-07 15:59:26

phony scandals

 
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