November 14, 2014

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 05:13:45

cratering housing

Comment by "Auntie Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-11-14 08:39:01

Yes, I think house prices should crater, especially since I sparked the true decline of the stock market a couple days ago.

I can live with losing half of my IRA money, since I can’t get to that for a few years away. I cannot live with buying a house and losing half the mortgaged value. The house is more expensive than the IRA, and my employer doesn’t match the mortgage payment.

Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 08:44:24

Now, there’s an idea!

Put employers on the hook for mortgage payments in addition to health insurance.

What a great idea! This should have been the socially-accepted/demanded norm for decades now. Yet, better late than never.

 
 
 
Comment by nhtransplant
2014-11-14 05:46:25

Yesterday, Mike on voter ID:

[i] Comment by MightyMike

2014-11-13 16:13:21

To make this fair, though, the law should state that a driver’s license is not acceptable ID. That would force everyone to go and make a special trip to the DMV to get an ID to use to vote.

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That wouldn’t make a lot of sense. It would make more sense to allow these people who supposedly do not have the means to obtain an ID to use the ID they used to get their public benefits as a voter ID. If they are this poor they have to be on some form of public assistance(they are still alive after all, I assume) and they had to travel to sign up for it and show an ID when applying for it. If that’s still not enough for you though…why no outrage when a state like New Hampshire requires an ID to vote? There are certainly plenty of leftists up here who you would think would be against such a rule, if it is so inherently unfair to the under privileged. When a state like Texas tries to have a voter ID law there is national outrage. Is it purely a racial thing? The under privileged in NH tend to be white while those in Texas may tend to be more Hispanic and presumably more likely to vote a certain way.

Maybe the outrage is more political in nature rather than ethical?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 05:54:44

The first thing you should know about the loudest immigration pimps is that they couldn’t care less about immigrants. It’s about bolstering the price fixing schemes.

Immigration pimps are actually poverty pimps. They want everyone on the debt treadmill with empty pockets.

Comment by Shillow
2014-11-14 06:19:51

And they want the POWER and will happily exploit their constituents any way necessary to get it. One upside to the surveillance tech issue is that it makes it easier to expose these frauds and hypocrites by catching them on video saying what they really mean.

See Gruber.

 
Comment by "Auntie Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-11-14 08:41:09

“poverty pimps”

So true.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 07:53:55

There a number of issues with your statement here. First there are people who are poor who don’t receive welfare. They’re called the working poor. There are also a lot of non-poor lucky duckies, people who are not technically below the poverty line, but close enough that they’re barely scraping by.

Another group of people we often hear concern about are elderly people. Is a photo ID required to receive Social Security and Medicare? I honestly don’t know.

Also, in Southern states like Texas there are plenty of poor white people.

Regarding outrage in New Hampshire, I found a couple of things while quickly searching the Internet. The governor vetoed a voter ID bill in 2011.

This is part of his statement at the time:

“An eligible voter who goes to the polls to vote on Election Day should be able to have his or her vote count on Election Day,” said Lynch, a Democrat, in his veto message.

“SB 129 creates a real risk that New Hampshire voters will be denied their right to vote,” he said, adding the state has consistently high voter turnout, no voter fraud problem and strong election laws already in place.

A Democratic leader in the legislature said the following:

“We do not want to disenfranchise our seniors or our young people or low income voters,” said House Democratic leader Representative Terie Norelli, who opposed the bill. “Those are the groups that would have the most difficult time complying.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/27/us-voter-id-newhampshire-idUSTRE75Q6E520110627

This is part of a more recent letter to the editor of a NH news web site:

I have learned that the cost to propose, pass and implement the Voter ID laws in New Hampshire as of 2013 was $11 million and that there has been only one documented case of voter fraud. So, why is our legislature bothering with this at all? Here in New Hampshire, it is not just minority voters who are at risk, it is largely the student voting population. So much confusing propaganda has surfaced over the past few years that has been aimed towards suppressing the registration of students to vote. All students whether permanent NH residents or out of state students are eligible to register and vote in their university towns. The result of this systematic suppression? In the 2012 elections, only 2,000 out of nearly 70,000 eligible students registered to vote here in NH. Who stands to gain from this suppression of voters?

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20141113/news/141119672/101181/opinion

And here’s one about college students suing the state:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0914/College-students-New-Hampshire-is-trying-to-stop-us-from-voting

These objections may not contain a lot of outrage. But people in northern New England have a reputation for being more reserved emotionally.

Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-11-14 08:37:28

I no longer care about voter ID. I think having an ID will not change anything at all. 90% of the voters still appoint agents who steal and kill. To add more voters is water over the bridge.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-14 19:20:34

+1. A voter ID will not fix stupid, which characterizes 95% of our electorate, and 100% of Obama, McCain, and Romney voters.

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Comment by "Auntie Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-11-14 08:43:04

You have to have ID to get a job.

Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 08:48:55

Why?

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Comment by "Auntie Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-11-14 08:52:55

I mean you need one by law (to prove that you have the right to work in the United States). However, since that law is not enforced, I suppose you don’t really need one.

 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 08:54:09

IRS form I-9 yo

 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-14 09:06:08

I mean you need one by law (to prove that you have the right to work in the United States). However, since that law is not enforced, I suppose you don’t really need one.

Or you just get a fake one. From what I have heard, it’s quite a cottage industry these days.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 09:11:50

You’re also not legally required to pay federal income taxes.

So that “need” doesn’t exist either.

What are other reasons we don’t need an ID? Let’s see how many we can come up with.

 
Comment by ibbots
2014-11-14 09:26:02

” it’s quite a cottage industry these days.”

Apparently so. Some states put socials on death certificates. I was in an audit recently and the Revenue Agent ran the socials that were on the 1099’s my client had filed. Out of a dozen or so, one was good, the rest were either dead or simply made up.

 
 
 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 07:56:06

Maybe the outrage is more political in nature rather than ethical?

This point is true on both sides of the issue. Republicans advocate for those voter ID laws because they think that it will reduce the number of votes for Democratic candidates. Democrats object to those laws for the same reason.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 08:10:27

Remember this Mike;

“Liquidate whatever you’ve got and get out of debt. Hold onto every dollar you’ve got. You’ll be glad you did.”

 
Comment by Neuromance
2014-11-14 10:33:19

OR… perhaps having voter authentication will reduce the incidence and possibility of voter fraud on both sides.

A vast amount of time and money is spent on elections. It is how the power-hungry get power. Some suggest there is no evidence of voter fraud. This is unfalsifiable as successful frauds may never be found. However, to suggest that the incentive to commit voter fraud does not exist strains credulity.

It seems to me that keeping the most basic process by which the voters influence the country, as pristine and unimpeachable as possible, is a worthwhile goal.

 
 
Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-11-14 13:05:52

So funny we are in a tizzy about “voter fraud,” yet the real problem with the political system is that the Dempublicans always win and the whole system is geared for that. That means there is continued murder, theft, and slavery by the State, whether or not Jose Gonzales of Guatemala votes in Los Angeles for a Demopublican. The bigger issue is that the legal voters are voting for murders, thefts, and slavery.

War, taxation, and conscription (well maybe the USA no longer has the draft, but other developed countries do conscript).

 
 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2014-11-14 06:10:17

‘The first thing you should know about the loudest immigration pimps is that they couldn’t care less about immigrants. It’s about bolstering the price fixing schemes.’

Both parties want them in, and for overlapping reasons. Cheaper workers and a voting base that can be swayed by fsa stuff. I don’t think the dems and reps really care either way if anyone lives or dies in this country. They chose a platform to get votes/contributions based upon and they go with it. Morally, they are the equivalent of fair weather friends.

Comment by Shillow
2014-11-14 06:24:19

Yep, the first order of business with the new Rep Congress is going to be to pass a bill giving at least 5 million illegals amnesty. Anger over this issue is one big reason why the Dems got tossed out on their asses. The voters were mad that we weren’t welcoming them in.

(Obvious snark, but what you really mean is the richeepoo plutocrats that control the R’s want it. The actual voters, forget it).

Comment by 2banana
2014-11-14 07:14:36

obama wants amnesty

The democrat controlled senate wants amnesty

You say republicans want amnesty

So why hasn’t it passed yet?

Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 07:30:48

Open your wallet

You’ve got 34 million more Free Sh*t Army to pay for

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Comment by Shillow
2014-11-14 07:40:20

You say republicans want amnesty
So why hasn’t it passed yet?

Exactly my point. Even if the leadership slaves of the big bucks want it, they know the avg R voter will toss them out on their ass as just happened.

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Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 07:44:42

Because the American public doesn’t want it.

That does mean the Dems or Reps care about what we want. They care about votes.

Their question is who can first convince the public that its a good idea to fleece the public.

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Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 08:13:26

The polls are ambiguous about what the public wants.

Pew Research Center. Oct. 15-20, 2014. N=2,003 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 2.5.

“Which comes closer to your view about how to handle undocumented immigrants who are now living in the U.S.? They should not be allowed to stay in this country legally. OR, There should be a way for them to stay in the country legally, if certain requirements are met.”

NOT stay: 25%
Stay: 71%
Unsure/Refused: 3%

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Sept. 4-7, 2014. N=1,001 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.5.

“Do you think undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States should or should not be given the right to live and work here legally?”

Should: 46%
Should not: 50%
Unsure: 4%

“If a candidate for U.S. Congress supports a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, would that make you more likely to vote for that candidate, less likely or wouldn’t it make much difference in your vote?”

More likely: 27%
Less likely: 36%
Not much difference: 34%
Unsure: 3%

“If Congress does not act to address the immigration issue, do you think Obama should or should not take action on his own through executive orders?”

Should: 52%
Should not: 44%
Unsure: 5%

http://pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 08:25:36

The public wants opportunity and lower prices.

Remember Mike;

“Falling prices of all items to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is positively bullish and good for the economy.”

 
 
Comment by "Auntie Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2014-11-14 08:49:24

Now that the Republicans are in control, we will get amnesty on their terms (rather than amnesty on the D’s terms). The illegals will gain the right to work and pay taxes, but not the right to vote.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 06:14:50

KEEEEEEEEEEEEEYRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH!!!

What was that?!

You know that house you made the mistake of buying? Well the value of it just fell through the floor leaving a smoldering moon-crater.

Beware reading public. Beware.

Comment by Shillow
2014-11-14 07:42:11

Price cuts are happening. Inventory is exploding. With no flippers or investors to sustain the fraud, it all collapses. First the pump, now the dump.

 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 06:30:15

Besides Obamacare “architect” Jonathan Gruber’s ‘Dirty Secret’ sequel making the rounds there is yet another reason for MIT to be proud this week.

The Fighting Pocket Protectors are 8 and 0

MIT Engineers football team earns first NCAA playoff berth in program history

By Jack McCluskey | ESPNBoston.com
November, 8, 2014

Undefeated and on the cusp of the first New England Football Conference title in school history, the MIT Engineers ran into a tricky bug on Saturday.

Facing a third-quarter deficit against Maine Maritime, the Engineers and senior running back Justin Wallace delivered the game’s last four TDs to troubleshoot the problem and deliver the 55-37 win.

Wallace finished with a career-high 261 yards and six touchdowns on just 23 carries, pushing his career total to 4,290 yards — a new MIT record (DeRon Brown had 4,141).

MIT is now 8-0 overall and 6-0 in the conference, and clinched its first NCAA playoff berth in the Division III program’s history. The Engineers have one regular-season game left, hosting the U.S. Coast Guard Academy next Saturday.
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Yet Another Video of Obamacare Architect Jonathan Gruber Is Making the Rounds — This Time He Brags About a ‘Dirty Secret’

Nov. 13, 2014 10:57pm Jason Howerton

Ever since video emerged of Obamacare “architect” Jonathan Gruber bragging that the “stupidity of the American voter” helped get Obamacare passed, the MIT professor’s past statements have been under intense scrutiny.

Yet another video emerged on Thursday showing Gruber bragging about the “dirty secret in Massachusetts” at a Noblis Technology event in 2012.

“The dirty secret in Massachusetts is the feds paid for our bill, OK? In Massachusetts, we had a very powerful Senator you may know. His name is Ted Kennedy,” Gruber said. “Ted Kennedy had basically figured out – Ted Kennedy and smart people in Massachusetts - had figured out a way to rip off the Feds for $400 million a year.”

Comment by Tarara Boomdea
2014-11-14 07:55:10

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 06:30:15

MIT Engineers football team earns first NCAA playoff berth in program history
By Jack McCluskey
ESPNBoston.com
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/colleges/post/_/id/5857/mit-engineers-football-team-earns-first-ncaa-playoff-berth-in-program-history

Yet Another Video of Obamacare Architect Jonathan Gruber Is Making the Rounds — This Time He Brags About a ‘Dirty Secret’
Nov. 13, 2014 10:57pm Jason Howerton
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/11/13/yet-another-video-of-obamacare-architect-jonathan-gruber-is-making-the-rounds-this-time-he-brags-about-a-dirty-secret/

 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 06:43:45

Foreclosures spike as banks ramp up repossessions

Diana Olick | @diana_olick
Thursday, 13 Nov 2014 | 6:40 AM ET

More than five years after the foreclosure crisis began, the number of borrowers losing their homes is rising again.

Most of the troubled loans are not new; instead, the backlog of homes in the foreclosure process is finally starting to move more quickly. There was, however, a slight uptick in foreclosures on loans made in 2013 and 2014, a troubling turn.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102178228 - 112k -

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-11-14 07:09:36

Paging RentalWatch…

 
Comment by 2banana
2014-11-14 07:16:34

5 years of living in house without paying your mortgage

To progressives - they are victims

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 07:21:52

Everybody gets a trophy.

Appoint nurses as doctors, truck drivers as airline pilots, cashiers as accountants. It’s all good.

Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 07:48:31

Appoint the unethical and amoral to protect the Public Trust.

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Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 07:40:33

New York Times - Obama Plan May Allow Millions of Immigrants to Stay and Work in U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/us/obama-immigration.html

This message approved by real journalists

Comment by Shillow
2014-11-14 07:44:18

And how will you make money off of this? (Not specifically you goon, just anyone).

Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 07:52:09

If you seek tips and efficacy for this sort of thing, fly to Washington, DC, and ask around.

 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-14 07:48:00

Had this Chinese grifter parked his ill-gotten loot in southern California real estate instead of gold bullion, he could be basking in the sun right now instead of facing hard time in a Chinese prison camp.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-china-communist-partys-anti-graft-watchdog-find-gold-cash-in-officials-home-2014-11

 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 07:49:10

Denver Post - Emissions rules yield little benefit along Colorado’s Front Range

“Oil and gas operations continue to fuel Front Range air pollution, and rules clamping down on emissions have had little effect in the past three years, a new study says.

Air samples from residential backyards in Erie and Longmont and near wells contained levels of chemicals as much as 77 times above regional background levels.

Ambient levels of benzene, a known carcinogen, were higher at the state’s air monitor in Platteville than in Houston, home to some of the nation’s biggest refineries.”

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_26926908/emissions-rules-yield-little-benefit-along-colorado-front-range

If you like your brown cloud, you can keep your brown cloud

If you like your increased child asthma, you can keep your increased child asthma

If you like your fracking induced cancer, you can keep your fracking induced cancer

Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 07:53:43

Colorado = The Next California.

Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 08:00:36
Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-14 09:04:39

Only Colorado has TABOR.

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Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-14 08:07:39

Got TABOR?

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 08:10:08

Denver Business Journal - Boulder County extends ‘temporary’ oil and gas ban until 2018

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/earth_to_power/2014/11/no-surprise-here-boulder-county-extends-temporary.html?page=all

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 07:58:16

As if the warmist warming wasn’t bad enough, now this

CNN - Your chance of being struck by lightning is climbing, climate scientist says

“Thanks to climate change, you’ll be more likely to get struck by lightning as the years pass, scientists say. Make that 50% more likely for those who are around at the end of the century.”

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/tech/innovation/climate-change-lightning/

Scientists say?

Who cares what scientists say, they need to take their gay science and go back to Europe

See also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/us/why-republicans-keep-telling-everyone-theyre-not-scientists.html

 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 08:05:31

Some floppy wristed pansy boy fairy who writes for the New Yorker calls football a “moral abomination”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-13/malcolm-gladwell-football-is-a-moral-abomination-.html

American Exceptionalism = getting Alzheimer’s at age 35

Malcolm needs to go back to Europe with all the other socialist soccer queers

Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-14 08:08:53

American Exceptionalism = getting Alzheimer’s at age 35

So that’s why Peyton has off days!

 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 08:19:24

Malcolm needs to go back to Europe with all the other socialist soccer queers

Actually, he’s from Canada, which probably has a lot of socialist gays. How about hockey, Malcolm? Why not check out the mote in your own eye before attacking the NFL?

Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 09:03:16

Canada and Europe are the same thing, they all speak French and are a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys

When the Iranian terrists attacked us on 9/11 because they hate our freedoms, those French socialists wouldn’t lift a finger to help

Pass the Freedom Fries

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-14 19:27:09

Ditto for when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep-xgd_eETE&spfreload=10

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Comment by In Colorado
2014-11-14 09:03:28

And the NFL’s dumping ground and unofficial minor league, the CFL.

 
 
 
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Comment by Anonymous
2014-11-14 21:09:20

RIP “Sausage”!

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 08:23:33

Sub-$2-a-Gallon Gasoline Futures Hand U.S. Motorists Gift

U.S. drivers will have some extra money in their pockets this holiday season as gasoline futures tumbling below $2 a gallon mean lower prices at the pump.

“The drop in futures is eventually going to translate into further declines at the pump,” Tim Evans, an energy analyst at Citi Futures Perspective in New York, said by phone yesterday. “There will be a little extra discretionary spending that consumers can use somewhere else this holiday season.”

The nation’s largest motoring club says retail prices “have a very good chance” of being the lowest for the Nov. 28 Thanksgiving holiday in five years. Motorists are already paying the least since 2010 after crude oil tumbled more than 20 percent in the past four months.

Oil Prices »

Gasoline futures advanced 2.25 cents, or 1.1 percent, to $2.0241 a gallon at 8:30 a.m. on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Yesterday the contract closed at the lowest since September 2010. The average retail price for regular gasoline fell 0.3 cent to $2.914 a gallon yesterday, the least since December 2010, according to Heathrow, Florida-based AAA.

Based on the drop in the futures market, pump prices might fall to $2.70 or thereabouts, Michael Green, a Washington-based spokesman for AAA, said by telephone yesterday. “At this point, the market refuses to stabilize, the price of crude oil continues to fall and refiners are making more gasoline. There’s no end in sight.”

Gasoline Inventories

Almost one-fourth of filling stations in the U.S. are selling gasoline for less than $2.75 a gallon, Green said. Less than 1 percent are under $2.50.

“We’re still a long way from getting down to $2,” Green said. “But I didn’t think it was going below $3, and here we are.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-14/sub-2-a-gallon-gasoline-futures-hand-u-s-motorists-gift.html

Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 08:55:22

Sounds like a good time to increase taxes on gasoline at the pump!

Care to wager on which location/state implements this first?

 
Comment by ibbots
2014-11-14 09:28:19

I paid $2.49 the other day at Shell. Dallas has cheap gas for some reason.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 09:39:36

That’s not cheap. It’s $2.49 as of yesterday passing through NJ.

Dallas fuel prices are inflated.

 
 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 08:24:20

Gruber said. “Ted Kennedy had basically figured out – Ted Kennedy and smart people in Massachusetts - had figured out a way to rip off the Feds for $400 million a year.”
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Good old Ted Kennedy and the smart people in Massachusetts could always figure a way out of a problem.

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By Charlie Laurence
Updated: 09:31 EST, 27 August 2009

Incredibly, he was in line to inherit his brother John F. Kennedy’s legendary presidency, but his chances were dashed following the drowning of the pretty, young campaign assistant Mary Jo Kopechne.

Forever known as the Chappaquiddick Incident after the Massachusetts island where it took place, the scandal in 1969 broke the Kennedy grip on the White House.

A drunk Ted had been driving back from a party to the family ‘compound’ on Martha’s Vineyard when he veered off a bridge and into a deep tidal dyke.

Mary Jo was in the back seat and, while he claimed he was just giving her a lift back to her hotel, it was widely thought that he had picked her up for sex. Kennedy swam ashore to save himself, but left Mary Jo to drown - in fact, it was even worse than that.

It was nine hours before he reported the accident. In the meantime, he walked back to his motel, complained to the manager about a noisy party, took a shower, went to sleep, ordered newspapers when he woke up and spoke to a friend and two lawyers before finally calling the police.

Divers later estimated that if he had called them immediately, they would have had time to pull out Mary Jo. She had not drowned, but had survived in an air pocket inside the car - she was asphyxiated only when the oxygen ran out several hours later.

As always, Ted used the family name to save his neck. In any other state but Massachusetts, the Kennedys’ home turf, and with any other name, he would have been charged with homicide.

Instead, he escaped with a slap on the wrist: a two-year suspended sentence and the loss of his driving licence for a year. He had been allowed to plead guilty to no more than the charge of leaving the scene of an accident.

Kennedy lawyers arranged for him to pay £55,000 to the Kopechne family from his own pocket with a further £30,000 from his insurance. Mary Jo’s mother later said: ‘I don’t think he ever said he was sorry.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209313/Ted-Kennedy-The-Senator-Sleaze-drunk-sexual-bully–left-young-woman-die.html#ixzz3J3Yuxwf4
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Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 08:33:34

The path to Social Justice™ is with a 6-iron to Martha Moxley’s skull

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 08:40:47

“In her appearance before the court earlier this week, the 31-year-old Jupiter, Fla., woman described meeting the three Kennedy men at the Au Bar club and later driving Smith home. She testified that Smith tried to grab her as she was going to leave, then chased her across the lawn, tackled her and raped her.”

Sen. Kennedy Takes Stand at Rape Trial

December 07, 1991|PAUL RICHTER | TIMES STAFF WRITER

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told a jury Friday how he had taken his son and nephew for a late-night drink March 30 to overcome a melancholy mood, but denied that he heard screams or saw any evidence that his nephew had raped a woman later on the lawn of the family’s oceanfront estate.

In the fifth day of the William Kennedy Smith trial, the senator’s son Patrick, 24, also took the stand to say that he had seen a woman at the family estate later that night with his cousin. Patrick Kennedy also said that he heard no struggle but was told later by Smith that his “strange friend” was acting in a “bizarre” manner and threatening to call the police.

The testimony provided the first counterpoint from the Kennedy family at the trial to the dramatic account related by Smith’s accuser. It neither contradicted nor confirmed crucial parts of her version of the events, but provided extensive detail about the nightclub outing that led to the episode and the rape charges.

In her appearance before the court earlier this week, the 31-year-old Jupiter, Fla., woman described meeting the three Kennedy men at the Au Bar club and later driving Smith home. She testified that Smith tried to grab her as she was going to leave, then chased her across the lawn, tackled her and raped her.

In 45 minutes of testimony that largely followed his earlier sworn statements, the senator choked up and his nephew wept openly as the topic swung to Smith’s late father, Stephen Smith.

“I wish I’d gone for a long walk on the beach instead” to relieve the gloom, the 59-year-old Massachusetts Democrat told the panel at another point. “But I went to Au Bar,” he said.

articles.latimes.com/1991-12-07/news/mn-571_1_patrick-kennedy - 45k -

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 08:49:14

It’s Tarara time.

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Comment by Tarara Boomdea
2014-11-14 10:19:16

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 08:49:14

It’s Tarara time.

Didn’t know George Carlin sang
new lyrics to Ta Ra Ra Boom De Ay

 
 
Comment by Tarara Boomdea
2014-11-14 10:11:16

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 08:40:47

Sen. Kennedy Takes Stand at Rape Trial

articles.latimes.com/1991-12-07/news/mn-571_1_patrick-kennedy

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Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 16:57:17

:)

 
 
 
Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 09:01:16

Compare what happened in that case with the idea that the Secret Service recently was taken out to a very public woodshed and got shot.

Protection of federal officials is paramount.

Protection of the citizenry? Who gives a sh*t.

Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 09:20:52

Remember when that mentally I’ll woman with a baby in the car rammed the White House fence and led police on a low speed chase before being shot to death outside of the Capitol?

At the announcement of her death, Congress gave a standing ovation on the House floor

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Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 09:35:14

I’d like Congress to do the same on the south side of Chicago.

They could applaud all day and night.

Bet they won’t, tho.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 08:28:09

This is the top headline on the Drudge Report

Associated Press - ISIS and Al-Qaida reach accord in Syria

And your new majority Republican Congress, who are a wholly owned subsidiary of AIPAC, can now enact a foreign policy sure to please the Earth is 6,000 year old crowd and hasten the Rapture

A quote from a recent New York Times article about Libertarianism says that “radical Islam is like herpes, but it isn’t AIDS”

William Kristol wants all of your sons to die for Israel

And Sheldon Adelson will purchase a 2016 nominee who will make that happen

 
Comment by rj chicago
2014-11-14 08:41:44

Did anyone out there in HBB land happen across this a while back?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-04/paul-singer-slams-fake-world-fake-growth-fake-money-fake-jobs-fake-stability-fake-in

All the more reason to haul Bushies, Otrauma, Yellen, Helicopter Ben and especially the real frauds in all this Greenspan, Clinton and their ilk - Larry Summers would be a good start and hand em all in the public square.

Now go eat yer peas!!!

 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 08:49:54

Report: Leaked Emails Reveal Hillary Clinton’s ‘Mafia”

http://www.businessinsider.com/report-leaked-emails-reveal-hillary-clintons-mafia-2014-11

A quick search on “list of dead clinton associates” returns this:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html

 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 08:54:58

This is obviously a war on plastic surgery.

Pelosi: Boehner, McConnell got Time covers, but I never did

By Sara Fischer, CNN
updated 2:01 PM EST, Thu November 13, 2014

Washington (CNN) — Nancy Pelosi doesn’t understand why House Speaker John Boehner and newly-elected Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell have been on the cover of Time magazine in light of their electoral victories, but she has not.

“I was never on Time magazine cover even though I was first women to be (Speaker),” Rep. Pelosi, D-California, said. “Isn’t that a curiosity? That the Republicans win, Boehner’s on Time magazine. Mitch McConnell wins, he’s on the cover of Time magazine. Isn’t there a pattern here?”

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/politics/pelosi-cover-time-magazine/ -

Comment by MacBeth
2014-11-14 09:08:11

Yes, Nancy. It is Rampant Sexism. Rampant Sexism is everywhere and it’s only expanding in scope and size.

Yes, Nancy. It’s also due to the fact that Time Magazine simply is just too conservative.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-14 19:30:05

Pelosi on the cover wouldn’t sell magazines. Period. She is that revolting.

 
 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 09:22:06

Buffalo, NY, to seize guns from families following owners’ funerals

“They’re quick to say they’re going to take the guns,” says New York State Rifle & Pistol Association president

by Edmund DeMarche | Fox News | November 14, 2014

A plan by police in Buffalo, N.Y., to begin confiscating the firearms of legal gun owners within days of their deaths is drawing fire from Second Amendment advocates.

The plan is legal under a longstanding, but rarely enforced state law, but gun rights advocates say, with apologies to onetime NRA spokesman Charlton Heston, it is tantamount to prying firearms – some of which may have substantial monetary or sentimental value – from the cold, dead hands of law-abiding citizens.

“They’re quick to say they’re going to take the guns,” said Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association. “But they don’t tell you the law doesn’t apply to long guns, or that these families can sell [their loved one's] pistol or apply to keep it.”

King said enforcing the state law is the latest example of authorities targeting law-abiding gun owners, while doing little to secure the streets.

Comment by ibbots
2014-11-14 09:32:26

Phony - are you in the zone?

Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) issued a geographic targeting order (GTO)

In the latest development in a probe by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) targeting alleged money laundering activities in Los Angeles’ garment trade, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) announced Thursday the issuance of a Geographic Targeting Order (GTO) that imposes additional reporting and recordkeeping obligations on certain businesses located within the city’s fashion district.

http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/fincen-issues-geographic-targeting-order-50345/

Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 16:58:59

No I’m checked in down in Region IV

 
 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 10:19:53

ISIS announces new currency

By Hamdi Alkhshali and Dana Ford, CNN

CNN) — ISIS is planning to mint its own currency in gold, silver and copper, the group said Thursday.

Its aim is to stay away from the “tyrant’s financial system,” ISIS said in a statement. It said it would issue another statement to explain the new currency’s exchange rate, and where it can be found.

The currency will include seven coins: two gold, three silver and two copper.

The move is “purely dedicated to God” and will remove Muslims from the “global economic system that is based on satanic usury,” ISIS said.

The terror group, which calls itself the Islamic State, has seized large swaths of territory in Iraq and Syria.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/world/meast/isis-currency/index.html

 
Comment by ibbots
2014-11-14 10:20:32

More Chinese, others from abroad are buying houses in Dallas, U.S.

“I get so many calls; this is an amazing time,” said Lee, who’s been in the business since 1986. “The Chinese people have a ton of money, and they pay cash.

This year U.S. real estate agents expect to sell more than $92 billion in homes to international buyers. That’s a 35 percent increase from last year.

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/commercial-real-estate/headlines/20141113-more-chinese-others-from-abroad-are-buying-houses-in-dallas-u.s..ece

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-11-14 10:28:55

Show this to our old realtor affiliate Steve Brown.

Dallas/Fort Worth Housing Demand Plummets 22% YoY

http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/Metro/Metro_Turnover_AllHomes.csv

Did I mention prices are slipping in DFW?

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 10:29:06

In market-rigging case, US Justice Department treats corporate criminals like juvenile offenders

David Dayen
Thursday 13 November 2014 17.58 EST

What is it about internet chat rooms that causes Wall Street traders to incriminate themselves?

Whatever it is, the egregious proof those chatrooms provide is not enough to force the Department of Justice to actually send people to jail for corporate crimes.

Another set of damning bank-chat transcripts led to a $4.25bn fine for the world’s biggest banks: JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America, Royal Bank of Scotland, HSBC and UBS. Authorities in the US, Britain and Switzerland charge that the bank traders conspired with one another in Internet chat rooms to manipulate benchmark currency prices for the euro, dollar and Swiss franc.

Like so many other cases of egregious financial fraud over the past several years, regulators used softball tactics to go easy on the banks. No bank was even forced to admit wrongdoing in the orders by the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. Regulators avoided court and settled for cash, which the traders won’t pay – the bank’s shareholders will. Officials presented a minimal amount of evidence, lacking the full details of the traders’ misconduct. They sought no judicial review.

In short, banks got away with their crimes for a pittance; their stocks even rose on the news of the settlements because the market believes the trouble is over.

The banks are right. The trouble is over. The US Justice Department, which actually has the power to put people in jail, has opened criminal investigations into the currency rigging.

Good news? Not exactly. The DoJ is bringing out the biggest softball tactic of all. The DoJ has increasingly used a relatively new and declawed method to deal with the aftermath of the financial crisis: the deferred prosecution agreement (DPA).

These agreements were created 100 years ago to give juvenile defendants and first-time offenders a chance to for rehabilitate themselves. Only in the last 20 years have DPAs migrated to the field of corporate criminals, treating them like kids who’ve just gone down a bad path in life.

Mary Jo White, who is now the chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, kicked off the trend of corporate DPAs in a 1994 settlement with Prudential Insurance.

No one goes to jail and no one ever gets prosecuted. Under a deferred prosecution agreement, the Justice Department allows corporations to pay a fine, then agree to some enhanced supervision and monitoring. The Justice Department appears to admit this in the US Attorney’s manual, when they describe these deals as “agreements not to enforce the law under particular conditions.”

Needless to say, a deferred prosecution agreement never acts as a deterrent. “Deferred” is a convenient fiction; the Justice Department almost never returns to prosecute. Executives never see a jail cell.

“It makes a mockery of the law,” says Peter Reilly, associate professor at Texas A&M School of Law.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/nov/13/us-justice-department-criminals-juvenile-offenders

 
Comment by MightyMike
2014-11-14 10:44:59

Silicon Valley Shakedown

Published: November 13, 2014 | Authors: Jim Hightower

The demigods of Silicon Valley like to present themselves as miracle workers, able to create electronic wonders (and wondrous profits) from nothing but their vaunted imaginations and entrepreneurial prowess.

Well, yes. But there’s another part to that program: their routine exploitation of workers.

From the disgraceful use of sweatshop labor abroad to wage theft at home, a key component of the Silicon Valley business plan is to squeeze money from their workers. Such is the price of “miracles.”

A particularly crass example of this profiteering came to light in October, when a multimillion-dollar, multinational digital printing outfit named Electronics for Imaging was nabbed for a jaw-dropping act of wage theft.

EFI executives had flown in eight IT workers from Bangalore, India to Silicon Valley to help install the corporation’s computer system in its new headquarters.

Here comes the jaw-dropper: EFI tried to get away with paying those workers what they would’ve made in India — $1.21 an hour — rather than paying California’s $8-an-hour minimum wage or more. Furthermore, they worked up to 122 hours a week — that’s 17 hours a day — with no overtime.

And get this: EFI even paid them in Indian rupees rather than U.S. dollars.

http://www.nationofchange.org/2014/11/13/silicon-valley-shakedown/

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-11-14 14:52:42

That may sound odd to you Mike, but if I fly to Japan, Switzerland or to Mexico to fix something, I get paid the same wage as in the US. I am paid from a US bank in US dollars. My meals, lodging and transportation are paid for by my US employer. Seven days is not a transfer, it’s a field assignment.

 
 
Comment by tresho
2014-11-14 10:46:33

Inequitable: ex-wife of US oil baron to appeal $1 billion divorce award

(Reuters) - Sue Ann Hamm, the ex-wife of Oklahoma oil magnate Harold Hamm who was awarded cash and assets worth more than $1 billion in the couple’s divorce this week, plans to appeal the judgment on grounds that it grossly undervalues the marital wealth she is entitled to.

Feeling shortchanged by a ruling that allows the Continental Resources (CLR.N) chief executive officer to keep around 94 percent of the estimated $18 billion rise in his Continental shares during a 26-year marriage, Sue Ann Hamm will appeal within a few weeks, one of her lawyers, Ron Barber, told Reuters on Thursday.

Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-11-15 18:22:26

Rule 1: if you want to become a billionaire start with $5 billion and then marry.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2014-11-14 13:11:01
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 17:18:51

“St. Louis area schools and townships are warning residents to stock up on water, food and medicine before the Mike Brown court decision.”

But I thought someone who has 7 days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist by the federal government.

 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 19:51:26

LMAO

If at first you don’t succeed, lie, lie again.

WATCH: Pelosi Says She Doesn’t Know Who ObamaCare Architect Jonathan Gruber Is … But This Video Proves She Does

Nancy Pelosi at a House Speaker News Conference on November 5, 2009: ‘I don’t know if you have seen Jonathan Gruber of MIT’s analysis…’

nation.foxnews.com/…esnt-know-who-obamacare-architect-jonathan-gruber-video-proves - 24k -

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Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-14 20:33:46

Everyone Must Check In

At a…

FEMA Capstone National Level Exercise

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2014-11-14 21:05:03

Glenn Greenwald tells it like it is about Hilary Clinton. Of course that won’t stop the same vegetables who voted for Obama for making the same mistake all over again.

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/11/14/glenn-greenwald-on-hilary-clinton-soulless-principle-free-power-hungry/

Hillary is banal, corrupted, drained of vibrancy and passion. I mean, she’s been around forever, the Clinton circle. She’s a fucking hawk and like a neocon, practically. She’s surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere. But she’s going to be the first female president, and women in America are going to be completely invested in her candidacy. Opposition to her is going to be depicted as misogynistic, like opposition to Obama has been depicted as racist. It’s going to be this completely symbolic messaging that’s going to overshadow the fact that she’ll do nothing but continue everything in pursuit of her own power. They’ll probably have a gay person after Hillary who’s just going to do the same thing.

Comment by Selfish Hoarder
2014-11-15 15:49:24

Good point. Link shared on Facebook. Ironically about your last sentence, Greenwald is gay. The media refers to Greenwald as leftist. But his opposition to Hitlary and his book on Snowden belie that.

It might be more apropos to label Greenwald a 70s style leftist. in the 70s the left was all ACLU types who still unfortunately promoted sharing OPM. But most of today’s left are for the establishment.

 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2014-11-15 09:42:39

phony scandals

Comment by drumminj
2014-11-17 20:51:49

Is this like Hodor saying “hodor?”

 
 
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