December 15, 2014

Selling An Obsolete Version Of The American Dream

The Sun Sentinel reports from Florida. “Real estate agent Susan Gauthier isn’t getting paid any more than her standard 3 percent commission to camp out in the cold. It’s just part of the job this week. Gauthier, representing a New York couple, has stood in line since Thursday morning to reserve a unit at Minto Communities’ Villas By The Sea condominium, planned in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea. By midday Friday, four other buyers were parked outside Minto’s sales office on Commercial Boulevard. Prices for the 51 units range from the $500,000s to more than $1 million. During the housing boom of 2000 to 2005, buyers routinely camped out overnight for homes. The practice is slowly returning as the market strengthens.”

“‘I’m a native Floridian, and this is not my kind of weather,’ Gauthier said. ‘We’re not even on the sunny side of the street.’”

The Orange County Register in California. “Many sellers take their homes off the market or stop looking between Thanksgiving and Jan. 1. But some real estate agents say that’s a mistake. Some economic and global factors suggest there could be especially good reasons to accelerate plans to purchase or sell homes this winter instead of waiting until the traditionally busier spring and summer homebuying seasons. With little price appreciation these days from month to month, waiting to sell until this spring is ‘fruitless,’ said Steven Thomas, who analyzes the Orange County housing market. ‘It may be the busiest time of the year where demand peaks, but it is also a time where the potential of too many homeowners opting to place their homes on the market and at unrealistic prices could lead to a major buildup in the inventory,’ he said in his most recent report.”

The Reporter Herald in Colorado. “Colorado State University’s Everitt Real Estate Center director Eric Holsapple told the real estate professionals to expect continued ‘good, steady growth in home prices’ in Loveland. ‘Loveland’s home prices are rivaling Fort Collins’, which wasn’t the case a few years ago,’ Holsapple said. In the Fort Collins-Timnath market, the median price this year was $287,500, he said, and next year it could reach $300,000.”

“Loveland had 597 housing starts this year but 409 closings on new homes. ‘It could be that home prices have gone up on the new-home side pretty drastically over the last 24 months,’ said John Covert, regional director of Metrostudy. ‘Maybe we’re hitting this price ceiling,’ and people who want to buy a new home are waiting to see if a new housing development will offer more affordable prices. Covert said partly as a result of national homebuilders’ move back into Northern Colorado, the market now has a number of ’spec homes’ that were built without buyers on the hook. He said he expects to see incentives and discounts spiking at the end of the year as those publicly traded homebuilders work to clear out some of their inventory.”

The Idaho Statesman. “Seven years after crews working for the Knife River Corp. paved roads for a housing development in western Canyon County, the company still has not been paid. The developer, Eagle-based Union Land Co., had run out of money. Its failure was one among many in the downturn that popped the housing sector’s bubble in 2007 in the Treasure Valley and elsewhere. Five years after the recession ended, good times are returning, but new-home construction has yet to recover. The Intermountain MLS says 36 newly built homes sold in Canyon County in October, compared with 131 in the same month in 2006, when the local market’s descent had just begun.”

“Union Land, owned by Kerry Randall Angelos, was developing projects in several Western states during the early 2000s. Bankruptcy court records listed more than 14 developments that Union Land was involved with before going under. Union Land’s failure was not the first for Angelos, whose website says he moved to Boise from Portland in the late 1990s. According to court records, Angelos had filed for bankruptcy in Oregon in 1989. Angelos and his wife, Jacqueline Lee Angelos, filed for bankruptcy in April 2011. They listed zero income and $176.6 million in debts. The couple said they were ‘completely wiped out by the national collapse in the real estate market beginning in 2007.’”

From NBC 40 in New Jersey. “It would take 29 months to sell all the homes that are currently on the market, and that’s just in Atlantic City, according to Cindy Marsh-Tichy, president of New Jersey Realtors. ‘So that’s a lot of inventory to be sitting there that’s not moving and they’re not moving because there’s a lot of short sales and foreclosures unfortunately,’ said Marsh-Tichy. ‘Atlantic County is number one in the state for foreclosures,’ said Sheriff Frank Balles. ‘With so many layoffs we’ve seen here in Atlantic County, we’re projecting that this time next year our foreclosure, our foreclosures here in Atlantic County are extremely high.’”

From CNBC. “In an effort to accelerate lending to lower- and middle-income borrowers, mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are launching programs that will guarantee loans with down payments of as little as 3 percent. Economist Robert Shiller cast doubt on whether that would be the best course of action. ‘Because it’s only a 3 percent margin, if somebody defaults and they have to sell the house, they might not get all the money back.’ ‘In a sense, it’s a good investment because it’s only one a lot of people make. So somehow they’re motivated to do it.’”

“However, there’s a caveat. ‘Historically, houses have not done well as investments. They haven’t really gone up much in value in the last 100 years. And on top of that, they’re a nuisance,’ he said. ‘You have to take care of them.’”

The Chicago Tribune. “Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac insist that they will limit the mortgages to creditworthy borrowers who can be expected to make their payments. But the new rules ensure the proliferation of loans that will not be repaid. Arnold Kling, a former Freddie Mac economist now at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, says that under this new policy, the mortgage giants ‘are setting people up to fail.’”

“What we should have learned from the vast trauma we endured is that the federal government should stop trying so hard to enable Americans to buy homes. By luring many of them back to betting their savings on the housing market, the mortgage firms are selling them an obsolete version of the American dream that puts us all at risk of another debacle. After the last mortgage binge, we woke up in the gutter. Isn’t once enough?”




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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-12-15 06:13:19

Once bitten, twice shy.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 06:24:40

“waiting to sell until this spring is ‘fruitless,’

Contra Costa County, CA Housing Demand Craters 13% YoY; Vacancies Balloon

http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/Metro/Metro_Turnover_AllHomes.csv

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-12-15 06:30:31

‘Falsified applications are now the most common type of mortgage fraud, their incidence having risen steadily for the last three years, according to LexisNexis Risk Solutions’ annual mortgage fraud report. Seventy-four percent of the investigated loans reported in 2013 involved application fraud, up from 69 percent in 2012, and 61 percent in 2011.’

‘Application fraud involves misrepresenting a borrower’s background or circumstances by providing a lender with false information about crucial factors, such as income, employment or intent to occupy the property. Identity theft or invalid Social Security numbers may also come into play.’

‘Credit fraud also increased last year, according to Jennifer Butts, the manager of data insight and also an author of the report. Credit fraud, such as undisclosed debt on a credit history or misrepresentation on the credit report, occurred in 17 percent of reported fraud investigations, which was a big jump from 5 percent in 2012, she said.’

Comment by scdave
2014-12-15 08:12:01

or intent to occupy the property ?? undisclosed debt on a credit history ??

Those are two that I am quite sure happen a lot…

Logistics are such that its difficult to verify occupancy after the loan is closed, bundled and sold which I understand happens within days of a loan being closed…

 
Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-12-15 12:19:02

This is what happens when the lender no longer shoulders the repayment risk. The government needs to get out of the mortgage market.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 06:32:22

Alameda County, CA Housing Demand Falls To Levels Not Seen Since 1990’s; Down 11% YoY

http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/Metro/Metro_Turnover_AllHomes.csv

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 06:53:21

“Five years after the recession ended, good times are returning, but new-home construction has yet to recover.”

Considering organic demand for all housing is at multi decade lows and 25 million excess empty and defaulted houses out there, why would it “recover”? Lets review the definition of “recover”;

A housing ‘recovery’ is falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 06:56:22

“After the last mortgage binge, we woke up in the gutter. Isn’t once enough?”

Lolacado?

 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2014-12-15 06:58:01

“‘I’m a native Floridian, and this is not my kind of weather,’ Gauthier said. ‘We’re not even on the sunny side of the street.’”

No sweetness, you are on the stupid side of the street. Right near the intersection of FB Boulevard and Delusional Drive.

Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-12-15 14:07:51

So we’ve got Floridians camping out to buy condos again? Sounds like we’re hitting a top again.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-12-15 15:07:06

Gotta be fairly close, when the pigs line up to get slaughtered!

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 06:59:00

Orange County, CA Rental Rates Sink 4% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/orange-county-ca/home-values/

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 07:05:02

From the CNBC article;

“However, there’s a caveat. ‘Historically, houses have not done well as investments. They haven’t really gone up much in value in the last 100 years. And on top of that, they’re a nuisance,’ he said. ‘You have to take care of them.’”

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-12-15 07:18:53

How does this Nobel prize winner get away with such a statement? Aren’t we told all the time here how much this or that house has skyrocketed? I’ll tell you; it’s an established fact. And it’s not 100 years, it’s 600. But again and again, we have to deal with the bubble years’ blindness, reminding people, uh no, it’s a mania and it will pass.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-12-15 07:24:33

It doesn’t help the cause of restoring rationality to the housing market that the central bank decided to deliberately throw hundreds of billions of dollars at the housing market to keep the party rolling.

Comment by scdave
2014-12-15 08:19:12

deliberately throw hundreds of billions of dollars at the housing market to keep the party rolling ??

As I recall, the design was to save lenders wasn’t it ?? Change accounting rules, etc…??

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 08:23:38

The purpose was to massively inflate prices.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-12-15 09:41:43

Another purpose: Pass the trash from bank balance sheets to bagholders.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-12-15 09:42:43

Something I am still unclear on: Are all the MBS the Fed snapped up destined to remain on their balance sheet forever, something like radioactive waste buried under the Nevada desert?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 09:59:11

The idiots carved out a third of the economy, paid a 300% premium for it and threw it in a black hole.

There’s a reckoning on the horizon.

 
Comment by scdave
2014-12-15 11:09:35

Are all the MBS the Fed snapped up destined to remain on their balance sheet forever ??

I have heard that discussed….

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 11:10:54

LOL. Where you at the meeting with Yellen?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 07:08:35

‘From NBC 40 in New Jersey. “It would take 29 months to sell all the homes that are currently on the market, and that’s just in Atlantic City, according to Cindy Marsh-Tichy, president of New Jersey Realtors.’

Sale Prices Plunge Year Over Year In Six New Jersey Counties

http://www.zillow.com/nj/home-values/

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 07:18:07

Oh my word….

Colorado Housing Demand Dives 8% YoY

http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/State/State_Turnover_AllHomes.csv

First comes falling demand, then falling prices. A fresh dose of financial anguish is getting meted out in CO.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-12-15 07:25:29

‘Home sales in the four-county Sacramento region plunged in November by 26 percent. Pat Shea of Lyon said the numbers are largely due to there being five fewer business days in November rather than a significant change in market conditions.’

‘The median price in both Sacramento and Placer counties dipped slightly as compared to the previous few months and ended the period at $265,000 and $360,000 respectively.’

Comment by Blue Skye
2014-12-15 10:47:11

“five fewer business days”

Doesn’t explain YoY decline.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2014-12-15 15:06:06

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Thanksgiving always falls in November…

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-12-15 07:27:20

‘Chris Webber, the five-time NBA All-Star turned basketball analyst, has sold his home in the Big Rock area of Malibu for $3.485 million.’

‘Webber purchased the home in 2007 for $3.75 million, public records show. He had asked for as much as $3.995 million for the property earlier this year.’

 
Comment by taxpayers
2014-12-15 07:45:13

ATT Colorado
I don’t see CO in the list of states to get hit by opil slump?? in 1987 CO wasn’t a producer ,but tanked anyway
-your thoughts?

Comment by Ben Jones
2014-12-15 07:55:41

From the RH article:

‘The housing market in Greeley and Evans is experiencing a dramatic rebound, Holsapple said, in large part because of the explosion of the oil and gas industry in Weld County.’

‘The median home price in Greeley-Evans sat at $172,750 in 2011, but he predicted it will hit $255,000 next year, and as the inexpensive home lots are used up, prices will rise even more.’

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 08:02:32

It doesn’t get anymore entertaining than the way clowns misrepresent peak blowoffs in the market. Yeah buddy…. the top half of the mountain got blasted to smithereenies like St. Helens with casualties scattered all over the place. Rah rah.

 
Comment by taxpayers
2014-12-15 08:45:33

explosion is now implosion

 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-12-15 08:51:48

‘The median home price in Greeley-Evans sat at $172,750 in 2011, but he predicted it will hit $255,000 next year, and as the inexpensive home lots are used up, prices will rise even more.’

Greeley is an armpit. It has gang problems. It smells of cow manure. When kids graduate from the U of Northern Colorado there, they LEAVE, unlike CSU grads, many who find jobs and stay in Fort Collins. Once the fracking jobs shrivel up prices will drop. The median price won’t hit 255K, more likely it will be 155K.

Comment by Guillotine Renovator
2014-12-15 18:04:51

$155k is A LOT of money for the median salary in this country.

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Comment by In Colorado
2014-12-15 09:04:03

I don’t see CO in the list of states to get hit by opil slump?? in 1987 CO wasn’t a producer ,but tanked anyway
-your thoughts?

IIRC, back then it was a producer. I recall more than one governor since then promising to “diversify” the state’s economy to not be so dependent on oil. So a large telecom sector was grown … and then we had the telecom crash.

Now with fracking there has been a mini oil boom here (nothing like North Dakota). I am certain that the collapse in oil prices will be felt here.

 
Comment by rj chicago
2014-12-15 09:46:22

Taxpayers - If I may chime in - having been at ground zero in CO back in the day…..
1987 CO tanked because it was the ‘office’ for the multitudes of wildcatters drilling throughout the intermountain west from Calgary to the gulf coast excepting Dallas and Houston who also had their ‘offices’ cleared as it were. Oil shale on the west slope (Parachute) was another issue as well.
Again as I noted over the last week + in comments here on HBB - the price of oil following the lack of agreement amongst the arabs in Vienna at the time dropped by near half in a matter of months on the NY Spot market - it then became economically unfeasible for the wildcatters to go out and drill at the lower cost level - so they did the logical thing - closed up shop - took the hit and left places like Denver, Dallas, Houston and Calgary with the fallout of vacant offices, foreclosures, faulty balance sheets and a municipal tax hit that resembles alot of what we have been witnessing nationally for the last decade plus. I recall it took places like Denver (having been a one maybe two economy town at best) - about 10 years to get its legs under it again.
Following the Vienna arab debacle came that of the S and L mess - Remember Lincoln National headed up by that guy Charles Keating? Also there was an S and L in the Denver area that was run by a Bush fam member as I recall - Neal Bush - called Silverado Savings. Bush literally got away scott free - no accountability for defrauding billions in lousy RE loans made to unsuspecting investors and buyers. Keating took the hit and spent several years in prison as the poster boy of the S and L scam.
Wash, Rinse and repeat.

Comment by taxpayers
2014-12-15 11:08:36

yes, like dallas denver was the “money”
and the shale in grand junction etc was done by 81

another rhyme for you

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 07:59:31

Got a cryptic email this morning from a guy I know who has been attempting to eek out a living in the REIC since his layoff from his career track in 2002.

Subject: Market

Body: Crash imminent

LOLZ. He’s a good egg and likeable guy and can’t say enough good things about him. Just always late to the party.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-12-15 08:32:04

‘The nation’s home builders seem resigned to the fact that their business is recovering at a slower-than-expected pace. While confidence is higher, actual single family housing starts are improving only very slowly. Household formation has been all on the rental side, but given the anemic pace of construction during the worst of the housing crash, starts should be at a much higher pace now, just on pure population growth. The trouble is the builders are not seeing commensurate demand.’

“I think buyers are still a little bit skittish,” said Douglas Yearley, CEO of Pennsylvania-based Toll Bros. on a conference call with analysts last week, following the company’s quarterly earnings release. “Why 2014 was a pause, flat to 2013 and not improving, has been a bit puzzling.”

Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 08:40:45

Given the fact these fools are in the business of supplying product to a small slice of the construction sector, one has to ask how they can be so clueless.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
Comment by Housing Analyst
2014-12-15 08:45:11

crater

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2014-12-15 09:09:44

No lack of confidence there.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2014-12-15 08:58:11

“I think buyers are still a little bit skittish,” ??

Once burnt/twice shy…….And, you don’t even need to experience it personally…Just having friends or family go through the short sale or foreclosure process is enough of a learning curve…All the carnage…losing everything…Divorce….etc…Those type of life lessons do not just fade away….Hence, these experiences could be playing a significant role in the plunging birthrates and marriage…

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2014-12-15 09:43:43

“skittish” = broke

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2014-12-15 08:46:47

The Reporter Herald in Colorado. “Colorado State University’s Everitt Real Estate Center director Eric Holsapple told the real estate professionals to expect continued ‘good, steady growth in home prices’ in Loveland. ‘Loveland’s home prices are rivaling Fort Collins’, which wasn’t the case a few years ago,’ Holsapple said.

Other than what’s left of Agilent Loveland has no quality employers. Everyone I know who has a good job commutes to either Fort Collins, Longmont or metro Denver.

FWIW, I have not seen these “price increases” or demand above the low 200’s and for good reason: the jobs to support anything bigger or more expensive just aren’t there.

Comment by scdave
2014-12-15 09:04:04

the jobs to support ??

And, other than retirement enclaves which are driven by net worth more than jobs/income doesn’t it always get back to this…Jobs & Income ??

Comment by In Colorado
2014-12-15 13:35:40

I don’t see people moving to the Front Range to retire. Sure, it isn’t as cold or snowy as Wisconsin or Michigan, but it still can get cold here in the winter.

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2014-12-15 11:10:27

being from the east I though loveland pass was an ok ski joint
that’s how whimpy it is in the east

Comment by In Colorado
2014-12-15 13:34:09

The Loveland pass and the city of Loveland are two different places, not even close to each other.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
Comment by Muggy
2014-12-15 18:59:52

Work harder! Mr. Banker needs you to pull this thing.

http://cvmountain.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/heavyload.png

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2014-12-15 19:36:17

Oh dear,

‘Activity in China’s factory sector shrank in December for the first time in seven months as new orders declined, a preliminary private survey showed on Tuesday. The flash HSBC/Markit manufacturing purchasing managers’ index (PMI) fell to 49.5 in December from November’s final reading of 50.0 and well below the 50.0 reading forecast by analysts.’

‘A reading below 50 indicates contraction, while one above 50 points to expansion on a monthly basis. Underscoring the pressures facing China’s economy, the new orders sub-index fell to 49.6, the first contraction since April.’

 
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