February 5, 2015

A Desperate Bid To Appeal To Nervous Buyers

MetroNews reports from Canada. “January’s bitter cold doesn’t appear to have a taken a bite out of the GTA housing market, with the Toronto Real Estate Board reporting ‘a strong start to 2015′ in sales figures for the first month of the year. Sales, prices and even new listings were all up significantly. New listings were up 9.5 per cent, although active listings – the combination of new and previous listings still unsold – were still down 2.5 per cent year over year, which means the market remains tight. ‘The fact that new listings grew at a faster pace than sales suggests that it has become easier for some people to find a home that meets their needs,’ said TREB president Paul Etherington.”

“But some housing watchers will inevitably take a different view, suggesting that the growth in listings – especially after so many years post-recession in which folks opted to just stay put – may be a reflection that some homeowners are concerned the market has hit its peak, consumer confidence is waning, and sales may be headed for a slowdown, despite TREB’s optimistic predictions for 2015.”

The Edmonton Journal. “Residential real estate sales in Edmonton slumped nearly 26 per cent in January compared to the same month in 2014, the Realtors Association of Edmonton reported. The 666 residential properties that changed hands marked the lowest number of January sales in the past five years. In 2013, January saw 915 Edmonton sales. Also last month, new listings increased 29.5 per cent to 2,316 — the highest number of new January listings in five years. The sales-to-listing ratio for the month was 29 per cent, indicating a buyer’s market.”

“Association president Geneva Tetreault said she doesn’t draw a link between January’s spike in new listings and sellers who are worried about oil prices and Alberta’s economy. ‘These are people that planned on listing in the new year anyway,’ said Tetreault, owner-broker of Century 21 Vantage Realty in Edmonton’s west end. ‘I haven’t had any calls in my circle of people panicking and saying, ‘Oh my God, I need to sell my house right away.’”

From Global News. “A whopping 2,316 new listings were added to MLS for the Edmonton area in January, compared to 932 new listings added in December. ‘My sellers are trying to beat the market,’ said real estate agent Jay Herrick. ‘They’re trying to get on before the uncertainty really unfolds… Nobody’s panicking yet.’”

From CBC News. “Calgary’s housing market slowed way down in January. Here’s the strangest number in the report: new listings jumped by 37 per cent, which begs the question, what are people thinking? That NOW is the time to sell? ‘It’s the fear of missing out,’ says Don Campbell, a real estate analyst and co-founder of the Real Estate Investment Network.”

Business News Network. “Since listing her condo townhouse at about $340,000 three weeks ago, Calgary entrepreneur Susan Benoit has received only a handful of phone calls from interested buyers and just a single viewing. She purchased the unit six years ago, shortly before the market crash brought on by the financial crisis, which instantly wiped more than $100,000 off the assessed value of the home. It’s taken this long for home prices to rebound to a point where Ms. Benoit hopes to break even on selling the property, which she began renting out after she got married.”

“‘I probably should be more worried because I have a rental property I’m trying to sell,’ she said. ‘Right now I’m not worried. Maybe that’s naive or wishful thinking, but so many people say even though oil and gas is going down, [home] prices are still going up.’”

The Globe & Mail. “The calls started coming into Thomas Keeper’s Calgary real estate office a week before Christmas. Oil executives, watching their company stocks plummet in the wake of plunging crude prices, were looking to sell their multimillion-dollar homes ahead of the new year, hoping to cash in before the panic reached the city’s housing market. The city’s luxury market is already in the midst of meltdown, with some sellers slashing their prices by hundreds of thousands of dollars in a desperate bid to appeal to nervous buyers.”

“Nearly half of the luxury properties in Calgary’s most prestigious neighbourhood, Mount Royal, have dropped their prices by $100,000 or more, with many homes that were selling well above $1-million now languishing on the market in the six figures. Nearly a third of all new listings above $1-million in the city are for brand new, builder-owned attached houses on infill lots, said Colin Kehler of Re/Max. Several are from small developers who had torn down older single-family homes to build high-end attached houses. Many are now sitting empty in a cooling market. ‘You’d have to think they can’t carry them for too long,’ Mr. Kehler said. ‘I think there’s going to be some motivated sellers.’”

“After pouring thousands into granite countertops, hardwood floors and new appliances, Sandra MacKenzie listed her 102-year-old house on a corner lot in Mount Royal for $1.4-million in November. But after weeks with little interest from buyers, Ms. MacKenzie recently slashed the price to $900,000. An open house last weekend brought 30 people, but no takers. ‘I just can’t go any lower than that, but everybody is so scared to buy now because of the oil prices,’ said Ms. MacKenzie, whose parents had taken out a reverse mortgage on the property, leaving her little equity amid falling prices. ‘I would even sell to a builder at this point. I hate saying that because it’s a beautiful home, but I’m getting desperate.’”




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Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 05:38:30

South San Francisco, CA Sale Prices End Year Lower 4% As Housing Correction Resumes

http://www.zillow.com/south-san-francisco-ca/home-values/

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2015-02-05 05:50:23

Ah, yes, dumb ‘em down, and prosper …

“‘I probably should be more worried because I have a rental property I’m trying to sell,’ she said. ‘Right now I’m not worried. Maybe that’s naive or wishful thinking, but so many people say even though oil and gas is going down, [home] prices are still going up.’”

“… but so many people say …”

Bahahahahahaha … meaning so many people are smart …

“… even though oil and gas is going down, [home] prices are still going up.’”

Bahahahahaha … and there it is, folks:

Dumb ‘em down, and prosper.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 05:55:55

“People say”

Exactly. Meanwhile prices are falling in all 4 directions.

Comment by cactus
2015-02-05 09:46:27

Societe Generale’s notoriously bearish strategist, Albert Edwards, has warned that the deflation threat currently dogging the euro zone is greater in the U.S. and that equity markets will soon be “ripped to smithereens.”"The deflationary fault line on which the U.S. sits is every bit as precarious as that of the euro zone, but is being disguised,” he said in a new research note on Thursday.”

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 05:52:25

Westchester County, NY List Prices Plunge 20% In 2014

http://www.zillow.com/westchester-county-ny/home-values/

 
Comment by Shillow
2015-02-05 05:54:41

“After pouring thousands into granite countertops, hardwood floors and new appliances, Sandra MacKenzie listed her 102-year-old house on a corner lot in Mount Royal for $1.4-million in November. But after weeks with little interest from buyers, Ms. MacKenzie recently slashed the price to $900,000

Sounds fishy. I’ve never heard of an FB who was willing to slash prices like that after only a few weeks. Something else is going unsaid.

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-02-05 06:49:51

It’s a panic. This is what a debt-fueled panic looks like. She’s not the only one, the article says there are builders around her that gambled on expensive tear-downs who are in the same boat. Granted, we don’t see financial panics in housing markets very often in history, but gambling on houses is a fairly recent phenomenon.

Plus, the moves by Bernanke and Carney were characterized as “extraordinary.”

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2015-02-05 08:11:26

I was grinning as I read that paragraph too. Yeah, a half-million dollar haircut as an initial price reduction is indeed indicative of panic. It also helps re-price every other house in the area. ‘He who panics first, loses least’! And so it begins… I wonder what her next reduction will be?

Comment by Blue Skye
2015-02-05 08:31:52

Her next reduction may be liquidation.

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Comment by oxide
2015-02-05 09:48:47

Sounds fishy — the key might be in “reverse mortgage.” Sounds like her parents had bought the house long ago, paid the house off, and then took our a huge reverse mortgage — my guess is $850K –to buy a lot of toys. Now the daughter is stuck with the bill.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 09:58:21

It’s always fishy when sale prices exceed production costs. An overage of $850k in the case of this 100 year old fully depreciated shack.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-02-05 10:02:20

“…stuck with the bill.”

Only if she wanted to keep the house. Her answer to the debt…more debt.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2015-02-05 10:21:56

Check out Sandra MacKenzie’s 1912 house. This must be it; it matches up with the points in the article. Admittedly, it’s cutie patootie and shows very well, but not for $899,900.

http://idx.myrealpage.com/wps/-/facebook~1,preview~1,_wf~520/mylistings/24309/details-44643533

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 11:25:01

$40k

Comment by oxide
2015-02-05 13:08:42

o shut up

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 13:15:16

Think about it. It’s a 100 year old house my friend.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-02-05 13:45:15

Looks like section 8 across the street and again over the back fence. No garage. The house is all wood, including the roof! Assessed for half the listing price, lol. Oh, and it’s only a couple of minutes from the pub. I’ll bet the lady spent more than the house is worth on the staging.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 13:52:22

“But it’s the land!”

…nnnnnnnnnnnope.

 
Comment by oxide
2015-02-05 14:17:15

I don’t disagree there, but it’s probably worth more than $40K even for the salvage and the land. Not only no garage, but no paved driveway. I’m sure it’s a muddy mess every spring.

(however, I appreciate you two taking the time to look. Being a housing bubble blog, I really do have an interest in actual houses.)

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 15:09:19

Salvage? Donk. There isn’t anything there to salvage. There’s $10k-20k there in demo, transportation and disposal costs.

$40k max.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-02-05 16:08:19

I think the dining table is worth something.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-02-05 16:27:05

It’s 14 degrees F in Calgary right now.

 
Comment by pazuzu
2015-02-05 16:49:54

Those striped aluminum window awnings are so beautiful.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 06:00:50

“Ms. Benoit hopes to break even on selling the property”

Overpay 200%+, live in it for 6 years and then expect to break even? Life doesn’t work that way.

Corvallis, OR Sal Prices Dive 5% In 2014; Plummet MoM And QoQ

http://www.zillow.com/corvallis-or/home-values/

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 06:05:07

“Mortgage delinquencies Tick Up 6.08%”

http://marketrealist.com/2015/01/mortgage-delinquencies-tick-november/

This is what happens when you don’t wait for grossly inflated housing prices to bottom out.

Comment by Rental Watch
2015-02-05 16:56:53

Well, that was November. In December, the rate ticked back down to 5.64%.

And I find it fascinating that you are now quoting one of my sources…Black Knight’s Mortgage Monitor.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 17:15:13

Understated by 50% and 500% higher than long term trend.

Your point is?

 
 
 
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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-02-05 06:13:04

‘Roman Skowroniski would go back home to British Columbia if he thought the job prospects there were any brighter. But, for the time being, the heavy equipment operator will keep trying to make a go of it in Fort Mac. “Right now the economy’s very, very slow,” he said. “The situation has started to get from bad to worse.”

‘Rob, a tradesman dining at a downtown soup kitchen, said he’s expecting lean times for three or four years. “It’s looking pretty bleak up here,” he said. “I’m expecting I’m going to have to work some place else because the price of oil is getting so low that pretty much all the things are getting shelved. There may be some minor maintenance work, but it’s awful here.”

‘Rob brought in six figures working contract jobs last year, but now finds himself on the street “due to the effects of cutbacks and some poor choices on my part and some unfortunate things that happened to my life.” “I had money. I was living a little bit over my means, I suppose. I never expected this to happen.”

“If someone told me that the price of oil was gong to hit $50 a barrel…,” he said, trailing off.’

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 06:16:22

Sad story but this is the end result of not understanding the value of something.

Think of the millions of suckers who overpaid 100%+ for depreciating assets like houses in the last 15 years.

Comment by Mr. Banker
2015-02-05 06:28:05

“I had money. I was living a little bit over my means, I suppose. I never expected this to happen.”

Next? Next up? May I help the next person in line?

Comment by Mr. Banker
2015-02-05 06:43:02

Oh, and then there’s the secondary effects, the effects on businesses of this guy doing a lot of earning and doing a lot of spending and then - suddenly - …

… nuthin’.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2015-02-05 06:52:31

I’ll bet some of that overspending was on ladies of the evening instead of putting it into a retirement account

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2015-02-05 08:15:45

“Aaaaaaaand its gone… I’m sorry ma’am, this line is only for people who have money in this bank. Next, please!!”

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Comment by Blue Skye
2015-02-05 08:51:56

“the end result of not understanding the value of something”

There is that and there is also the failure to assess risk. I don’t think people are born able to assess risk, but only learn this through experience.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 11:33:00

“There is that and there is also the failure to assess risk.”

That’s the other 50% of the loss right there. And the problem is everyone is looking in the rearview mirror instead of the current environment. One could probably sustain the losses as a result of not knowing what something is worth. Stack on the losses from failure to assess the risk going forward and you’ve got a lifetime of irrecoverable losses.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 06:13:54

“2014-Vintage Loan Secured By Two Housing Multifamily Properties Became Delinquent This Month”

http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Lenders-Analysts-Keeping-Close-Watch-On-CRE-Portfolios-in-Energy-Markets/167978

This is what happens when you pay too much for something when demand is at 20 year lows. And falling.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 06:32:14

‘I would even sell to a builder at this point. I hate saying that because it’s a beautiful home, but I’m getting desperate.’”’

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Not only are you desperate but delusional too. I know a couple degenerate gamblers that are interested at that price though.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 07:30:34

California List Prices Sink To Negative Territory In 2014

http://www.zillow.com/ca/home-values/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-02-05 07:35:08

‘Investors are getting heartburn over the latest financial report from Chipotle Mexican Grill. The reason? Slowing sales. Yahoo Finance Editor in Chief Aaron Task points out that Chipotle has been a darling on Wall Street. Shares have soared some 1600% since it began trading in 2006, and he thinks the chain has become a victim of its own success.’

‘Task adds that Chipotle has been a trailblazer for the industry. “In some ways you can give Chipotle credit for the whole boom in restaurant IPO’s we’ve seen over the past few years: Potbelly, Zoe’s, The Habit and Shake Shack,” he argues. “Everybody is looking for the next Chipotle because the stock chart of Chipotle, those kinds of grand slams, they don’t come around that often.”

Hmmm, a “boom in restaurant IPO’s”. Grand slams on burritos and burgers. Nothing out of the ordinary here. What do the commenters have to say?

‘Spend your last $20 bill on a mess of rice, beans, mystery meat and MSG slapped together by a bunch of tattooed, eye-brow pierced rude ESLers on a flat piece of bread dough, and you don’t have to wonder why sales are going down.’

‘I finally tried one and was disappointed at the price and taste. It was $6.95 for a hand held burrito filled with rice and very little chicken. Did not taste as good as I hoped and it cooled off (temperature) quickly which left me with a cold burrito. Will definitely NOT do that again.’

‘Been over their prices since they came to my town. Went twice. That is all. Can’t justify dropping such a huge amount of money on rice. And being charged for “Extras” for my burrito.’

‘Nice pump-and-dump by the Yahoo! Finance staff. Yesterday, “Chipotle: Stock might be pricey, but with these results, no one cares”
Today, down 7% and “Are we over Chipotle?” Well done, guys. If you were fund managers, you’d be in jail.’

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 07:38:44

How can you not make money selling grease tubes for $7 each?

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2015-02-05 07:40:52

“‘If you were fund managers, you’d be in jail.’”

Bahahaha … Shirley, you jest!

Comment by Mr. Banker
2015-02-05 07:42:00

Bahahahaha … these day nobody needs a Get Out Of Jail card because these days nobody goes to jail.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2015-02-05 09:13:53

Grand slams on burritos and burgers ??

LOL…You crack me up Ben…

It does go directly to your past comments though…Why are we not focused, as a country, on building things of value & use…

 
Comment by cactus
2015-02-05 09:52:57

Chipotle Mexican Grill way over priced for what you get.

Remember Boston market back in the 90’s ? Went way up because fidelity fund manager Vinik? sp. he liked it so bought a boatload of it.

Comment by In Colorado
2015-02-05 14:15:49

Chipotle Mexican Grill way over priced for what you get.

And Chipotle has competition too. Making burritos ain’t rocket science.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2015-02-05 10:02:29

“tattooed, eye-brow pierced rude ESLers ”

In the 90’s the foodie community shifted their adoration from the end product to the cheffing and preparation. So, rather than hide the cooks behind a swinging door, mid-high end restaurants took down walls to expose the kitchens and show off the geniuses at work. It’s backfiring now, as the high-end clientele sees just who is prepping their foi gras. And it ain’t white guys from France.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 07:55:00

“House of Lies”

http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/back-home-again/phil-gulley-house-lies/

“My wife has scheduled us to move out of our house in 2036, when we’re 75 years old. That means I have 22 years to make up a handful of lies I can tell about our home—unless we hire a Realtor and let her tell them for us. What’s one more fib to a Realtor? They’re already in trouble with God as it is.”

Their lies are so treacherous that even an ordained minister can’t get past them.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-02-05 08:24:48

“Seller Beware: Homes For Sale Become Targets for Bad Realtors, Teen Parties”

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/seller-beware-homes-targets-bad-realtors-teen-parties/story?id=23550492

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-02-05 08:27:33

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2554931c-ac85-11e4-9d32-00144feab7de.html#axzz3QsZlP63G

Global debt up $57 trillion since 2007 - to $200 trillion.

Comment by Blue Skye
2015-02-05 09:14:12

“My dear, here we must run as fast as we can, just to stay in place. And if you wish to go anywhere you must run twice as fast as that.”

― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-02-05 09:58:10

It’s all fun and games until the debts don’t get paid back.

“The European Central Bank has suspended the eligibility of Greek sovereign debt as collateral for its liquidity operations, starting Feb. 11.”

Bloomberg

 
 
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