The Real Estate Community Has Lost Its Exuberance
Reuters reports on Canada. “Sales of existing homes in Canada slipped further in January as the drop in oil prices hurt homebuyer demand in western Canada, the Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) said. A sharp, sustained drop in oil prices has sideswiped the economy in the resource-rich provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan, where homeowners are trying to sell houses before values decline further. ‘What is interesting to note about the housing measures is that there is a clear sense of panic,’ Mazen Issa, senior Canada macro strategist at TD Securities, said in a research note.”
“One realtor in Calgary said overall sales there are down 40 percent compared to last year and sellers are bracing for a price correction, but not a crash, as oil prices slump and fewer people arrive there looking for work. ‘That’s certainly going to take a lot of capital out of the province and the city and we anticipate housing prices will likely soften over the next couple of years, but talk of a mass slide of 20 or 30 percent is wrong,’ said Jim Sparrow, a realtor with Royal LePage. ‘Nobody is giving their house away and sellers are reluctant to start slashing the price of their homes,’ he added.”
The Houston Chronicle in Texas. “The city’s real estate community, after a years-long rally from the depths of recession, has lost much of its exuberance as oil prices tumble and energy companies issue pink slips by the thousands. The financiers who funded all those cranes and concrete trucks from downtown to the farthest suburbs are red-lining new projects. A high-end real estate broker predicted builders could soon be offering incentives - ‘closing costs, appliances, upgrades’ - in a market that only recently had homebuyers writing plaintive letters to sellers and paying well over asking price to get their second- or third-choice house.”
“Tens of thousands of rental units are expected to open this year and the giveaways have started, mostly in the brand-new developments. There is ‘abundant free rent’ in the Energy Corridor, particularly in new properties, Stacy Hunt of Greystar, an apartment development and management firm, said in an email. Falling oil prices have also shifted the calculus of homebuying. ‘The psychology of the people in Houston was this was a boom town,’ said Jacob Sudhoff, who arrived in 2010 from Corpus Christi to start a high-end real estate brokerage firm, Sudhoff Cos. ‘People were making more money off their homes than they ever made. Appreciation was happening at a record pace.’”
Emirates 24/7 on Dubai. “Property prices in Dubai’s secondary market are expected to soften this year though the market correction isn’t likely to be as drastic as 2009, according to Standard and Poor’s Ratings Services. Though prices and rents stabilised last year, transaction volumes have lowered since the first quarter 2014. Irrespective of that a number of new projects have been announced over the past 18 months. ‘Prices have come down by approximately 15 to 25 per cent depending on the areas from the peak hit in Q2/Q3 2014. This is a healthy correction as prices had appreciated 50-60 per cent in 18 months since the recovery which started after Arab Spring,’ Kalpesh Sampath, Director, SPF Realty, told this website.”
The New York Times on Singapore. “Lamborghinis, Porsches and Bentleys fill the driveways of multimillion-dollar villas in Sentosa Cove. Yachts line the 400-berth marina nearby. But signs of a slowdown are just beneath the shiny surface. The grass on front lawns has turned brown from neglect. Two condominiums last summer went for less than half their original price, while others sit empty.”
“At the W Residences, one of the newest condominiums, fewer than half of the units have been sold. Sheena Teng, a sale consultant for City Developments Limited, the developer of the W Residences, says that prospective buyers in Sentosa once were rich Asians looking for vacation homes. She said most of the current occupants at the W Residences were expatriate professionals in Singapore — and they are renting.”
“Borrowers are running into trouble as well. In a recent case, United Overseas Bank accused an Indonesian developer, the Lippo Group, of conspiring with buyers at a property in Sentosa Cove to inflate the value of their home loans. In the lawsuit, the bank says 37 of the 38 borrowers have defaulted on mortgages worth 181 million Singapore dollars. The suit claims that the developer handed out furniture vouchers, which amounted to a rebate of as much as 20 percent of the sales price; the buyers did not disclose the discounts. The Lippo Group has denied the accusations.”
“The few recent sales paint a grim picture. Most sellers have taken sizable losses. At one apartment building called the Turquoise, a unit sold last July for 4 million Singapore dollars. The seller bought the apartment in November 2007 for 7 million Singapore dollars, according to government data.”
The Bangkok Post in Thailand. “The condominium market in destinations favoured by SET-listed developers over the last couple of years is feeling the pinch from oversupply and weak demand. The situation is especially bad in major provinces such as Chiang Mai, Udon Thani, Khon Kaen, Chon Buri and Phuket. ‘The condo market in these provinces shares the same story. It boomed in 2012-13 with many condo units launched after the floods hit Bangkok in 2011, but demand is limited,’ says Samma Kitsin, director-general of the Real Estate Information Center (REIC).”
“Some projects completed last year had unit transfers of only 30% despite a sales rate of 80%. This happened for various reasons, including buyers failing to get home loan approval, while some were speculators who failed to find buyers to resell the unit to.”
“Phanom Kanchanathiemthao, managing director of property consultant Knight Frank Chartered (Thailand) Co, says now is a golden time for property-savvy investors to buy a condo unit at newly completed projects in Pattaya, particularly from Russian buyers. ‘Russian buyers’ purchasing power has dropped significantly due to the fall in the rouble. They may refuse to get a unit transfer,’ he says.”
‘Nobody is giving their house away and sellers are reluctant to start slashing the price of their homes,’ he added.”
I wonder if this realtor realizes that if I had a dollar (US) for every time I read this nonsense I’d have enough money to buy one of his over priced houses. I am an HBB Veteran!
“we anticipate housing prices will likely soften over the next couple of years, but talk of a mass slide of 20 or 30 percent is wrong”
When house prices were going up 20% year after year, that was wrong. You’ll just have to give it all back now, and then some.
A neighbor who just bought in September hung out the for sale sign last week, listing for about 10 percent more than he paid. Apparently they want a bigger yard.
No improvements whatsoever in that time, listing prices have been declining and he wants 10 percent more. This ought to be good.
All I’ve heard in this pricing collapse is that you just go to an auction, snatch up the property, and then “flip it” for a big profit… as if the auction didn’t already establish the market price.
These guys are lying more than rugs do.
I’ve been offering my house for sale for $5 billion since 2007, and there have been no offers, not even any interest expressed.
You’d think if all the fly-by-night investors suddenly shifted from the demand side to the supply side of the market, “larger than expected” losses might result. How can one even begin to predict the magnitude, given the historically unprecedented level of investor purchases in recent years?
Dr op in oil prices leaves roughnecks at loose ends.
“In 2013, Abel Niño, who lives in Little Elm on a peninsula jutting into Lewisville Lake, got on a crew cleaning up after drilling rigs once the well was finished. Six months later the 36-year-old father of five was on with Patterson, traveling around South Texas and working shifts of up to 100 hours a week.
But since being let go from Patterson’s operation in Alice earlier this month, he is left hanging around at home and is struggling to keep up with his expenses.
“I was able to save some, but the more you make, the more you spend, the more bills you accumulate. Now I have a mortgage and a truck payment,” said Niño, who has filed suit against Patterson. “We made good money, plenty of hours. ”
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/20150217-drop-in-oil-prices-leaves-roughnecks-at-loose-ends.ece
Too bad he didn’t put anything away for a rainy day.
“Too bad he didn’t put anything away for a rainy day.”
Americans tend to be shocked that bad times follow good times. Yet for some reason they expect rainy days after a few sunny days. It’s dueced odd, innit squire? When it comes to finances, Americans become autists.
It was an equally shocking surprise to Americans to find out that housing prices DO go down… despite every word that came out of the mouths of their real-tards.
Boom in a bust? Who makes money on falling oil prices?
It’s not all bad news and belt-tightening in the oil patch. One sector is seeing a boom in business because of the downturn in drilling.
“When there’s a substantial drop in the price of oil, there is a huge uptick in energy litigation. That was predictable,” said Michael Hurst, a Dallas attorney with experience in oil and gas litigation.
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/texas-news/2015/02/17/boom-in-a-bust-who-makes-money-on-falling-oil-prices/23588607/
I’m starting to think that the only species that will survive an apocalypse besides the cockroaches is the attorneys.
From the article above:
Realtor Watkins said she used to close on four houses a month. Like many, she now strives to get at least one. That caused her and her husband to cancel a trip to California last weekend so they can start saving more money.
“We used to eat out like crazy and bring friends and family,” Watkins said. “Now we’re at home making meals.”
House prices have fallen a little, but they no longer sell as quickly, she said.
Prices for older homes, without updates, reach as high as $266 a square foot. Even one-bedroom apartments in average complexes around Midland can rent for $1,450 a month
Remember….. I can ask $50k for my ten year old Chevy truck but where is the buyer at that price?
Housing demand is collapsing and now at 20 year lows for that very reason.
Nobody is giving their house away and sellers are reluctant to start slashing the price of their homes,’ he added.”
Reluctant, perhaps, but when they start getting tired of feeding the alligator month after month…for the fools with loans anyway…negative cash flow without phantom appreciation…ready…aim…SLASH PRICE!..Neil, please pass the popcorn.
Oh, and as far as “giving their house away” the lenders will eventually auction the house to the highest bidder, and the current owners of the “put” option on the houses will eventually be foreclosed upon and have no say whatsoever in the final “auction (giving away) price.”
“Nobody is giving their house away…”
Price discovery occurs when clinging is not an option. It only takes a divorce here and a death or relocation over there to discover for the whole neighborhood.
A high-end real estate broker predicted builders could soon be offering incentives - ‘closing costs, appliances, upgrades’ - in a market that only recently had home-buyers writing plaintive letters to sellers and paying well over asking price to get their second- or third-choice house.”
Call me when they start parking the low-end give-away “Beemers” in the front yard. I guess since it was Houston prospective buyers had to write about feeding the armadillos instead of the squirrels?
‘Call me when they start parking the low-end give-away “Beemers” in the front yard.’
‘It still can be tough to sell a home in Phoenix. That’s why one local seller is ratcheting up the incentives to entice potential buyers into considering his Phoenix mansion.’
‘The 3,593-square-foot home is tucked away in a gated community in Phoenix Country Club Manor and can be yours for $1.25 million. But the seller isn’t just counting on the location and the condition of the home be his main selling points. He also is throwing in all the furnishings in the home – from the family room to the master bedroom – to whoever purchases the property.’
‘And that’s not all. The seller is so motivated, he’s also willing to hand over the keys to a 6-month-old Tesla Model S to the person who buys the home.’
Those Phoenix area city fathers need to get in there with the new property tax assessments before the “values” drop again.
Jack em up.
Okay so call me when they start filling the Teslas with armadillos.
+1 that’s funny.
‘What is interesting to note about the housing measures is that there is a clear sense of panic,’ Mazen Issa, senior Canada macro strategist at TD Securities, said in a research note.”
Panic? Affirmative.
“One realtor in Calgary said overall sales there are down 40 percent compared to last year and sellers are bracing for a price correction, but not a crash, as oil prices slump and fewer people arrive there looking for work.”
Crash? Negative.
Got it.
Crash, correction, falling prices… it’s all good.
Remember…. Falling prices of all items to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is positively bullish and good for the economy.
So ground zero will be Texas, NYC, California or Florida?
I wonder if the oil-dependent parts of CA will take a hit ( e.g. Bakersfield)?
All of California is oil dependent.
My little corner celebrates every drop in oil prices (such as today’s).
Shillow, do mean consumption or production dependant? Big difference….
Potomac(DC Metro) Sale Prices Plunge 9% YoY; Crater 11% MoM
http://www.zillow.com/potomac-md-20854/home-values/
No one even bothers to dispute falling prices any more because it is so obvious from clear data.
Their incoherent rage doesn’t make passed moderation.
mind the gap
median price of homes currently listed in 20854 is $1,125,000
while the median price of homes that sold is $833,625.
‘Interest rates jumped again Tuesday, reacting quickly to a sell-off in the bond market. Mortgage rates loosely follow the yield on the 10-year Treasury, which moved markedly higher.’
“In terms of bad months following good months, February is the worst bounce since January 2009,” said Matthew Graham of Mortgage News Daily. “What had been 3.625 percent two weeks ago is now 3.875 percent.”
‘The nation’s home builders and Realtors had been hoping for a bounce over the President’s Day holiday weekend, the unofficial start of the spring housing season, but buyer traffic was weak. Builders blamed frigid temperatures and seemingly endless snowfall across much of the nation, but others pointed to simple fundamentals.’
“It’s the price point, not the temperature, that is chilling builders,” said Nela Richardson, chief economist for Redfin.’
I’m beginning to think interest rates are as irrelevant to the housing market as fundamentals are to the stock market.
Not at all. In fact, the absurd valuations in home prices we see today go hand-in-hand with historically low interest rates.
‘If hot markets in Toronto and Vancouver are stripped out of the calculation, house prices have actually dropped in the past year, with the average price outside those two cities now $312,280, a decline of 0.3 per cent.’
‘Housing-market watchers look at something called “inventory” in assessing the health of the real estate market, and there was a slight red flag there, too. Basically, inventory refers to the number of months it would take to sell all the houses currently for sale, at the current pace of buying.’
‘There were 6.5 months of inventory across Canada last month, the highest reading since April 2013.’
‘A total of 3,125 homes were sold in January across Greater Vancouver, up 5.7% compared with December 2014 and 8.0% year-over-year, according to Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) data released February 17. In spite of growing sales in the region, however, the average residential sales price dipped in the month. The average home sold for $825,233 in January – down 2.6% compared with $847,661 in December.’
“Canada’s housing market is cooling notably, largely because of the sudden deep chill in the previously hottest cities,” said BMO Financial Group chief economist Douglas Porter, pointing to a 23.9% drop in unit sales in Calgary and a 9.8% decrease in Edmontong for the month.
Gotta scalp a few more fools and spendthrifts on the way back down.
‘After the housing crash, Phoenix-area home prices shot up from September 2011 to summer 2013. Then, the median single-family-home price rose just another 5.4 percent – $204,000 to $215,000 – from December 2013 to December 2014.’
‘Lastly, Orr mentions that some Canadians may decide to lock in profits made on Phoenix-area homes bought since the housing crash. In 2014 alone, the prices went up an additional 15 percent when converted to the Canadian dollar.’
2015 is going to be the year of the truth in Phoenix. But it’s a truth that’s been pushed down and hidden. Nothing saves the spring, especially with oil half off.
Phoenix is like an airplane. The only support was from the acceleration itself. Stop accelerating and there is no support at all.
_______ is like a trainwreck. (fill in the blank with any medium or large city)
Phoenix added 100,000 jobs last year. That is good news. 2,000,000 jobs now, almost to 2007 levels.
^speaking of financial trainwrecks.
‘The American benchmark for natural gas reached a peak of $6 per million British Thermal Units in February of 2014, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Last month, the price averaged just below $3 per million BTUs.’
‘The decline is owed largely to the rapid increase in North American natural gas production in recent years, analysts said. New plays like the Marcellus Shale in the eastern United States are pumping more gas into the market. At the same time, oil wells drilled in North Dakota and Texas are producing gas as a secondary product.’
“Clearly we’ve got a huge inventory overhang that we have to work off,” said Kyle Cooper, managing director of research at Cypress Energy Capital Management in Houston. “It is going to be difficult to work that off before next winter.”
‘The impact is felt in Pinedale, a community of 2,000 people where a drilling boom last decade turned the region’s gas fields into some of the country’s biggest producers.’
‘The Sublette County rig count was 12 the week of Feb. 6, two fewer than the 14 reported for the same week last year, according to the oil services firm Baker Hughes. The statewide natural gas rig count of 14 is two below the 16 registered at the same time last year.’
“People are freaking out,” said Madison Mitchell, a bartender at Wind River Brewery in Pinedale.’
‘She pours drinks and listens as workers with reduced hours or cut jobs lament the future. The lucky ones keep their jobs but transfer somewhere else, she said. The unlucky ones come to talk, or stop coming at all.’
I felt this heart-breaking impact right at my house. This month I paid $29 less than I did the month before, based simply on a large drop in the per unit charge for the natgas I use, even with all fees & taxes included. These two months are typically the most costly in terms of natgas used.