Many Investors Are Shocked At What Happened
Some housing bubble news from around the world. The New York Daily News, “Sellers of some of the city’s most expensive properties are dramatically slashing prices, even as developers keep trying to push the boundaries of the luxury market with pie-in-the-sky price tags of up to $175 million. ‘Million Dollar Listing New York’ star Fredrik Eklund and business partner John Gomes of Douglas Elliman are cutting the price on their ritziest listing — the stunning 7,061-square-foot penthouse at 11 N. Moore St. in Tribeca — by more than 25%. Initially, they were seeking $40 million. Now it can be yours for $29.95 million. ‘We made a decision to get real and sell it,’ Eklund said of his listing.”
“He and Gomes aren’t the only ones axing prices. The owner of the penthouse at the storied Pierre Hotel on the Upper East Side has cut the listing price on the unit by almost half, to $63 million. It’s not that these apartments aren’t top-notch — it’s simply that they’re overpriced. But those with boots on the ground, and listings currently on the market, say things are getting out of control.”
“‘It’s starting to get to the point where it’s nauseating to people. It’s like, ‘Why don’t you just put a number like $250 million on it if you’re going to be ridiculous?’ The numbers are meaningless,’ said Andrew Gerringer of the Marketing Directors, a new-development sales firm. ‘Unless your country is physically crumbling and you need to get your money out, or you’re getting ready to go to jail, I can’t think why you would put $175 million down for anything.’”
The Edmonton Journal in Canada. “With oil hovering around $50 US a barrel, the bounce is suddenly missing from Fort McMurray’s step. Housing prices are down, and the vacancy rate for rentals is way up. That would cause angst almost anywhere other than Fort McMurray, where fortunes rise and fall with the price of oil. ‘I know this almost sounds a little arrogant, but we have definitely been there and done that,’ Colin Hartigan, director of the local realtors association, says. ‘I think it’s not a question of if it will recover, but when. Is it three months, six months, or a year? That’s what people are concerned about.’”
“Thousands of contract workers in the oilpatch have been laid off, causing the vacancy rate for apartments to soar to 11.8 per cent, and the average cost of a single-family home to drop by $100,000 to $676,162. ‘We are seeing a bit of a decline, but you have to be cautious what you read into that,’ Hartigan says.”
Reuters on Australia. “Across the country, people like are falling victim to downsizing. Jobs, once plentiful and well paid, are scarce. Real estate prices in boom towns are sinking. Prices of iron ore and coal, the country’s two biggest export earners, have plunged during the last two years amid falling demand from China, in the wake of its economic slowdown. ‘For Lease’ signs are everywhere in West Perth, the headquarters of many mining, oil and gas companies.”
“The real estate market has also been hit in the coal country of Queensland, across the continent. ‘Owner will throw in a brand new car,’ read advertisements for houses in the coal-mining town of Moranbah. Such ploys were unheard of two years ago, when investors were snapping up property. But the bottom has fallen out of the Moranbah real estate market after coal prices slumped.”
“‘If you bought a property for $1 million, you’d be lucky to have it valued at $400,000,’ said John Wood of Moranbah Real Estate. ‘People are walking away.’”
News.com on Australia. “Driven by rocketing demand from Asia, coal and iron-ore insulated the country from the worst of the GFC, and temporarily turned Australia into the world’s largest exporter of coal. By 2012, oversupply of the commodity, coupled with Chinese efforts to diminish dependence on the most polluting of all fossil fuels saw coal prices start to head south.”
“Dysart made headlines in 2011 when the Real Estate Institute of Queensland reported it had the most expensive medium rent in the state at $1,200 per dwelling per week. But the market hit hard times in 2012. When another 240 jobs were cut at nearby Saraji coal mine last September, the market all but collapsed. Today, asking prices for three-bedroom homes in Dysart start at $150 a week.”
“Things aren’t much better in Moranbah, the basin’s largest mining town. Three years ago, old weatherboard homes in Moranbah fetched rents as high as $2,000 a week, their driveways flush with speedboats, race cars, dirt bikes and Harley Davidsons. Today many of those trophies of success and excess are parked on the nature strip on Moranbah’s main street — with telltale for-sale signs sticky taped to their windscreens. ‘In 2011 more than 200 properties changed hands in this town,’ says principal of AH Realty, Annemarie Haywood. ‘People were paying up to $1 million for houses that didn’t even have grass in the backyard. Now those investors are desperate to sell before the bank takes their properties. We have mortgagee sales every second week in Moranbah.’”
The New York Times on China. “As the real estate market in the United States was collapsing in the mid-2000s, Wall Street went in search of new terrain, and found it in China. All across the country, from Beijing to Shenzhen, sprawling housing developments and business districts were popping up, seemingly overnight. Real estate prices were soaring. Western banks, hedge funds, private equity firms and other investors wanted a piece of the action.”
“One of those firms, Credit Suisse, scoured the landscape and in 2007 discovered Kaisa, a relatively small property developer in Shenzhen. Then came the fall. The real estate market slumped, dragging down the rest of the Chinese economy. Developers, in particular, were under pressure, as foreign investment dried up. And in this market tumult, reports surfaced late last year that Kaisa’s chairman was being questioned in a corruption case. With little explanation, in December, Shenzhen authorities blocked Kaisa from selling homes at several major residential developments.”
“Kaisa is now pushing such bondholders to accept roughly 50 percent of the value of their holdings, or risk getting pennies on the dollar if the company goes bankrupt. ‘Many investors are shocked at what happened,’ says Neil McDonald, a lawyer in Hong Kong for Kirkland & Ellis, which is advising some of Kaisa’s bondholders. ‘It’s troubling that in a market as sophisticated as this, no one knew what was going on.’”
“Adding to the worries, Kaisa announced in February that its debt was valued at $10.4 billion, twice earlier projections. Several analysts said that it appeared the company had been borrowing through off-the-books affiliates, perhaps making its balance sheet look stronger than it was. ‘A lot of these Chinese developers are leveraged to the teeth,’ says Anne Stevenson-Yang, an analyst at J Capital Research.”
WHDH in Massachusetts. “A Mendon man appeared in Milford District Court after police responded to a fire and found him in a van with a suspicious device on his chest. David Cheschi was accused of prompting a bomb scare and keeping firefighters away from his burning Mendon home. Prosecutors charged David Cheschi with keeping firefighters away from the burning house. Police said he may have been facing foreclosure. They feared he set the fire and booby trapped the home.”
“Police and neighbors said Cheschi had mental health issues and feared losing his home. ‘He didn’t take care of it much because things that were going on, but I don’t think he wanted to give it away,’ said Megan Shaw.”
Someone send that Mendon guy to the towns inside of 128. I could use a house at a reasonable price.
“Kaisa is now pushing such bondholders to accept roughly 50 percent of the value of their holdings, or risk getting pennies on the dollar if the company goes bankrupt.”
One persons debt is somebody else’s money. If fifty percent of the debt goes poof then that means fifty percent of somebody’s money went poof.
“‘It’s troubling that in a market as sophisticated as this, no one knew what was going on.’”
A “sophisticated market” in which “no one knew what was going on.” IMO a somewhat humorous statement.
“Several analysts said that it appeared the company had been borrowing through off-the-books affiliates, perhaps making its balance sheet look stronger than it was. ‘A lot of these Chinese developers are leveraged to the teeth,’ says Anne Stevenson-Yang, an analyst at J Capital Research.”
Say it ain’t so. Who would have ever thunk it?
“‘It’s troubling that in a market as sophisticated as this, no one knew what was going on.’”
Webster says that “sophisticated” means “worldly wise”.
So we have a worldly wise market where no one knew what was going on.
A great word, the word “sophisticated”, when it is used as a marketing tool. Works a lot better than using the word “confused” or “insane”.
The beauty of this off-book sophistication is that the losses will never subtract from GDP.
If Credit Suisse is shocked, I guess they never lent anything to Donald Trump before.
+$300 million!
‘A lot of these Chinese developers are leveraged to the teeth,’
You don’t say!
It makes me wonder how much of the global economy now is dependent upon financial fraud. Certainly asset prices reflect the assumption that fraud never will be punished. And the secondary assumption, bought into by both citizens and governments, is that those prices justify the indefinite suspension of the rule of law and the civil society it represents.
“Dysart made headlines in 2011 when the Real Estate Institute of Queensland reported it had the most expensive medium rent in the state at $1,200 per dwelling per week. But the market hit hard times in 2012.”
Coal-Fired Australia, Buffeted by Climate Change, Enacts Carbon Tax
By Josie Garthwaite , For National Geographic News
PUBLISHED October 05, 2012
Australia passed the Clean Energy Future Package in its fourth attempt at comprehensive climate legislation. Enacted in July, the package establishes a goal of reducing national emissions to 5 percent below 2000 levels by 2020, and 80 percent below 2000 levels by 2050. And it levies a carbon tax on its 300 largest polluting companies, as well as providing incentives for renewable energy and efficiency improvements. Australia’s scheme covers more sectors, and more of the country’s total emissions, than Europe’s long-standing cap-and-trade system. Analysts say California’s program, set to go into effect on Jan. 1, has a similar sweep; Australia and California are reportedly in talks to link their carbon markets.
Australia has sought to give its energy-intensive industries a helping hand in meeting new requirements. The first carbon permits, issued free of charge this week to aluminum producer Alcoa and Queensland Nitrates, are part of the government’s $8.9 billion program to help certain businesses—those facing global competition—cope with cap-and-trade.
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In Historic Blow to Climate Hysteria, Australia Kills Carbon Tax
Written by Alex Newman
Friday, 18 July 2014
With final approval of the Senate on July 17, Australia officially became the first developed nation to repeal its deeply controversial tax on emissions of carbon dioxide, dealing a major setback to proponents of increasingly discredited man-made “global warming” theories. Climate realists worldwide celebrated the historic development, while enraged global-warming theorists furiously lashed out at Australian lawmakers
The tax on CO2 emissions was originally adopted by the Labour Party-led government in 2011, which broke its promise not to impose it. After the scheme sparked soaring costs of living and record business failures, the Australian public turned overwhelmingly against it, with Abbott offering a “pledge in blood” to kill the tax. Those promises led his party to a massive victory in last year’s legislative elections. However, because the Senate was not under conservative control, two previous efforts since then to ax the tax had failed. On July 17, though, with support from three senators in businessman Clive Palmer’s party, Abbott succeeded in pushing the measure through following a successful vote in the House of Representatives last week.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/…storic-blow-to-climate-hysteria-australia-kills-carbon-tax - 79k -
“A Mendon man appeared in Milford District Court after police responded to a fire and found him in a van with a suspicious device on his chest. David Cheschi was accused of prompting a bomb scare and keeping firefighters away from his burning Mendon home.”
This is what happens when you pay current asking prices for a house and then double down on your losses by financing.
People will never learn that a house a is horrible horrible loss of wealth.
To say nothing of sanity.
Bi-polar flipper. Sell. Buy. Hot. Cold. Up. Down.
frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrauuuuuuuuuud
“‘If you bought a property for $1 million, you’d be lucky to have it valued at $400,000,’ said John Wood of Moranbah Real Estate. ‘People are walking away.’”
There it is. A 60% decline.
This is what happens when you pay a 250% premium for a depreciating asset. And we’ve got 60 million of them that did just that right here in the US.
Still think it was a good idea to pay 2.5x construction cost?
NY condos cut in half. I wonder what it will take for the media to realize the bubble has popped?
or this;
Longtime Rent-Control Tenant Shocked to Discover $6,700 Rent Hike Is Totally Legal
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2015/03/16/longtime_rentcontrol_tenant_shocked_to_discover_6700_rent_hike_is_totally_legal.php
Spin that pimpage.
I am not very good at analyzing things. But I just don’t see it popped in California. Bay Area is bubble fore sure… everything sells and there’s bidding wars… and I am not talking about San Fran… I’m talking Milpitas, San Jose, Campbell… south bay… it’s crazy
With all-time high stock market people are rich and buy everything with tech stocks. People being paid good salaries and not stocks commute 1 hour away where houses are also expensive.
Crazy crazy… houses are more expensive than back in 2006-07
Rents are definitely almost double what they were back then.
it’s quiet depressing for everyone not “inside”…
is there really an end to this casino economy?
Well…. not really. Not at all my friend.
Housing Demand Plummets YoY In 55 Of 58 California Counties
http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/County/County_Turnover_AllHomes.csv
Only 3 counties posted a gain in housing demand. The average of the median sale prices in those three counties was 60% less than the statewide median sale price.This explains why inventory is massive and growing and sellers are slashing list prices across the state.
There’s a whole lot more slashing to come.
‘Designed by well-known architect John Lautner, the following property in California – dubbed The Hope Residence – is certainly one of the most incredible houses in the United States. Now the house is up for sale for a cool $25 million. Rather incredibly, that is a 50 per cent discount on the original $50 million asking price!’
http://www.gtspirit.com/2015/03/16/jaw-dropping-californian-residence-for-sale-at-25-million/
Further on one of my architecture ‘heroes’ John Lautner….
He was an architect in the truest sense of the word….
Sad that while he was alive he was not well regarded - having gone to architecture school in So. Cal. in the early 80’s Lautner was not taught at all and yet his work was right on our doorstep.
http://primo.getty.edu/primo_library/libweb/action/dlSearch.do?institution=01GRI&vid=GRI&search_scope=ALMA_DIGITAL&group=GUEST&displayMode=full&query=any%2Ccontains%2Clautner&highlight=true&displayField=all&mode=Basic&queryTemp=lautner&x=0&y=0
Crazy crazy… houses are more expensive than back in 2006-07
Rents are definitely almost double what they were back then ??
Accurate on both counts at lest as of this 8:50 AM pacific time writing…
HA, He does not live here maybe never has even been here but offers his bogus data as to the market conditions here..
Ignore Him..
Your beef is with CAR, NAR and MRIS. Take it up with them.
San Francisco, CA List Prices Plunge 18%; Sellers Slash At Defaults Balloon
http://www.zillow.com/san-diego-ca-92130/home-values/
“”Accurate on both counts at lest as of this 8:50 AM pacific time writing…
HA, He does not live here maybe never has even been here but offers his bogus data as to the market conditions here..
Ignore Him.. “”"
Huh?… WTF…
I live here in south bay area. properties under 500K don’t last longer than a 1 week with bidding wars. I see it every day and I hear it from co-workers. With the Stock market so high people have a lot of money…
I hate it because I am NOT one of those people, and My rent keeps going up… urrrg
Nonsense.
With 4.4 million excess empty houses in CA and demand at 20 year lows with rental rates falling, sit tight and watch it all play out.
“…people have a lot of money…”
fix’t “…people perceive they have a lot of money..”
Oh there is and will be. People are blinded by euphoria though. It’s a brain thing. Being rational goes out the window when yer nabe is buying $800,000 properties and making a ton in stock options worth zip at F-book.
Absolutely right…it is crazy in Silicon Valley. But those homes may go for dust if this drought keeps up and there’s no more water.
They’ll go for dust anyways. Remember… Housing demand is at 30 year lows in CA.
Denial phase could last away.
Followed by the anger phase — wonder how that will go down?
Kirkland, WA Housing Inventory Skrockets 100% As Prices Plunge 19%
http://www.movoto.com/kirkland-wa/market-trends/
Meaningless numbers, especially at this time of year when inventory is very low anyways - any small change can produce a high percentage change.
Stick with the data my friend.
Now this is telling - Lennar leaning to leasing strategy - in other words standard arm’s length purchase just ain’t doing it for the production builders. Must be getting ugly out there.
http://www.housingwire.com/articles/33250-is-leasing-the-strategy-that-could-help-boost-lennar
Ruh roh…..
There was one silver lining: hedge funds are rushing to take out permits
on rental housing which soared from 371K to 445K. At this rate there
will be more rental housing built in the US than single family.
Assuming, of course, any of these permits actually become “starts.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-17/housing-starts-collapse-most-4-years-sept-2013-lows-miss-most-2007
An honest question for the economist types: If the dollar were to collapse as some are predicting, how would the dreaded hyperinflation scenario play out in real estate I wonder? Perhaps inverse to the cost of a gallon of now $20 milk?
Aloha
The dollar is increasingly valuable with each passing day.
Remember…. falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is your wallets best friend and good for the economy.
I’m telling you were headed for a early to mid 90’s style deflationary slog. Overcapacity in everything and the US remains the cleanest dirty shirt. Housing Bubble 2.0 busting will be a panacea for consumer spending as lowering fixed housing costs is the quickest way to add disposable income to the masses. High RE prices are CRUSHING the consumer economy.
BINGO
I remember buying a few large ticket items in late 2008 into 2009. People were begging you to take things off their hands for 50% off. People forget quickly how things turn bad fast. Retail is for suckers and people who think the good times never end. Hold on to yer cash and get ready for fire sale prices on EVERYTHING.
THANKS OBAMA!
wishful thinking… !
But, where is the economic report or study from an Economist?
I’m not an economist type, but a currency devaluation does not necessarily produce hyperinflation. Countries all over the world are trying desperately to devalue their way to competitiveness, but hyperinflation has been limited to Zimbabwe.
One thing I worry about is that, if indeed we have hyperinflation, our craven political leadership will simply enact legislation redenominating debts at the new value, i.e., you won’t be able to pay off your mortgage with the wheelbarrow full of $100 bills that you earned for a week’s work, because your mortgage will be revalued at $1 trillion. And that’s presuming that wages reasonably keep pace with consumer prices, which is anathema to our ideology at this time. Your mortgage might be revalued at $1 trillion, but your weekly paycheck might still be $1,000.
realtors are liars.
‘Billion-dollar companies join a club of “unicorns,” a term used to explain how rare they are. But there are more than 50 of them now. There’s a new buzzword, “decacorn,” for those over $10 billion, which includes Airbnb, Dropbox, Pinterest, Snapchat, and Uber. It’s a made-up word based on a creature that doesn’t exist. “If you wake up in a room full of unicorns, you are dreaming,” Todd Dagres, a founding partner at Spark Capital, recently told Bloomberg News.’
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fuzzy-insane-math-thats-creating-130003741.html
Ridiculous sums of money being thrown around. Way worse than the dot-com bubble. And yet everyone pretends it’s all OK.
Stupid money always gets euphoric before it’s demise.
Do any of those companies make money? I read somewhere that Amazon, which was founded in the 1990s, still is not consistently profitable. My company during the tech stock boom expanded by leaps and bounds, but never made a cent. Eventually the bondholders were in charge.
I mean, Snapchat. My God. A $10 billion valuation for a company whose business model depends upon sexting and teenagers gossiping to one another.
Co-worker tells me many homes in his nabe for sale but none selling.
Calabasas CA
Diana Olick says housing shortage is on !
that Britney bitch
Bellevue, WA Sale Prices Tailspin 37% YoY; Foreclosure Inventory Balloons As Sellers Slash Statewide
http://www.zillow.com/bellevue-wa-98007/home-values/