You Haven’t Lost Until You Sell
A report from Bloomberg. “When a parking space in Manhattan costs $136,000 and only 15 percent of San Francisco’s homes are affordable for the middle class, it’s easy to worry that another housing bubble is around the corner. The vast majority of American homeowners have little to fear: A new gauge from Nationwide Insurance in Columbus, Ohio, suggests the national market is in its best shape since 2001 and there’s no reason to fear a national downturn, no less a bursting bubble. The housing market may not improve by leaps and bounds this year, and that’s exactly why Americans should feel good, David Berson, Nationwide’s chief economist said.”
“‘There are a lot of markets that are probably growing less rapidly than people would like, but that means they’re sustainable, and in the Goldilocks sense they’re just right,’ said Berson. Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Philadelphia were ranked the healthiest cities. Rock-bottom was Bismarck, North Dakota. ‘In Bismarck, the booming-ness is being caused mostly by good economic fundamentals,’ Berson said. ‘Still, prices are going up there at an unsustainable rate.’”
The Orange County Register in California. “Rebounding house values and the market-cleansing work of foreclosures and short sales pushed the share of Orange County mortgages that exceed the underlying property value down to 3.6 percent of homes in the fourth quarter, according to CoreLogic. In 2005, the Ringgolds believed that surging home prices might knock out their chances of ownership for the foreseeable future. So they jumped at the chance to buy a two-bedroom, two-bath condo in Orange for $505,000.”
“Two months later, the same style condo sold for $500,000 – and Tim Ringgold winced. What the Ringgolds thought would be a brief stay in the condo – maybe three years – became practically a decade-long adventure when the housing market crashed. In 2013, when the housing market was in a brief frenzy, they tried to buy a single-family home but were unsuccessful. Then, last spring, they found a home that fit their budget and the needs of a growing family with two kids.”
“The Ringgolds landed a four-bedroom, three-bath detached home in east Orange for $685,000 while concurrently selling their condo for $455,000. They were willing to take a loss on the condo. ‘We knew we were stuck. We just had to make it through,’ Ringgold says of the sacrifices his family made – like having kids share a condo bedroom. ‘But it’s like stock. You haven’t lost until you sell.’”
The Dallas Morning News in Texas. “After months of declines, there’s a jump in the number of North Texas homes facing foreclosure next month. Lenders have scheduled foreclosure sales for more than 1,681 homes in the Dallas-Fort Worth area — a 14 percent increase from foreclosure filings in April 2014. Next month’s foreclosure posting volume in the four-county area is at the highest level in a year, according to Addison-based Foreclosure Listing Service.”
“‘This was kind of expected,’ said Foreclosure Listing Service CEO George Roddy. ‘I had heard a couple of months ago from the law firms representing some of the bigger lenders that they were predicting a pickup in postings. That is to kind of clean up the properties that continue to be in default but that Fannie Mae and the FHA have been sitting on for months, even years and not coming down with the foreclosure hammer.’”
The News Press in Florida. “Even as overall home prices continue to rise nationally and in Southwest Florida, a stubborn problem still lingers from the crash: The most mortgage-ridden houses and condominiums are quietly sinking deeper into debt. That’s a problem because it raises the specter of a new wave of foreclosures and abandoned homes if banks or owners give up on getting in the black anytime soon, housing authorities say. ‘There are still some great pockets of distress that are going to be difficult for people to go up in value,’ said Jack McCabe, a Deerfield Beach-based real estate consultant. ‘I think we’re still going to see a string of short sales and foreclosures that is going to continue for a couple of years.’”
“Not all the distressed homes are in the low end of the market. Ken and Lois Rankin, for example, have watched for years the slow decay of the house across the canal from their home in southwest Cape Coral. Now they’re trying to sell their house, listed at $619,000. But they’re getting no bites, said their real estate agent, Shelley Lachmann of Royal Shell Real Estate. A typical response from a prospective buyer’s agent, she said, is ‘My client doesn’t want to look at the garbage across the canal from you.’”
“McCabe said that even low-end home prices in Southwest Florida and the Miami area have been relatively stable. Those trends won’t last forever, he said, and huge numbers of houses in those markets are owned by hedge funds or individual investors who bought low and then rented them out with the intention to sell eventually. Already, McCabe said, some hedge funds are quietly putting a few homes up for sale to test the market. If large numbers of rented homes are dumped on the market, he said, prices will fall and distressed homes will sink even further. ‘It may be a decade or more before they’re in the black.’”
From Delaware Online. “People who lost homes to foreclosure will rally Tuesday to demand they get a share of Delaware’s settlement money stemming from the 2008 financial meltdown. About half of the money has gone to current homeowners in the form of mortgage modifications or to former homeowners as a small check in the mail. But, this has not helped people like Robbin and Jeff Brown, who lost their five-bedroom dream house on Old Baltimore Pike to foreclosure.”
“The Browns attempted to get a mortgage modification when Jeff lost his job as a millwright at the Chrysler auto plant in Newark in 2009. However, the bank was unwilling to assist and the couple fell victim to a modification scam. ‘Delaware should really feel bad that all the officials here don’t have a backbone,’ Robbin Brown said. ‘They are in office for the people, but they don’t say anything.’”
From RealtyTrac via Inman News. “Joe Schwarz is sick and tired of being a landlord. ‘The property has pretty much been a nightmare since day one,’ he said of a home he bought while a student at Arizona State University in 2007 near the height of the housing market in the Phoenix area. ‘I’ve wanted to be done with it for years but I couldn’t because of the second (mortgage) to be honest … A lot of people shy away from me because of the second.’”
“Schwarz said he purchased the property for $165,000, thinking he was getting instant equity given that other similar properties nearby were selling for as much as $199,000 at the time. The plan was to rent the property to cover the mortgage while watching the equity increase over time. He purchased using some money he inherited along with a stated-income loan and a second mortgage to avoid paying private mortgage insurance (PMI).”
“Schwarz said he has continued to make mortgage payments because he doesn’t want to harm his credit, but at $30,000 in the hole he’s close to giving up on the property. ‘I’m never going to see that money … so why would I want to be any farther in the hole?’ he asked. ‘I have kind of been under the assumption over the past few years that this property was going to be a foreclosure or short sale.’”
“Meanwhile, home price appreciation in the Phoenix market has slowed to a crawl after a strong rebound between 2011 and the first half of 2014. That slowing appreciation is deflating the hopes of underwater homeowners who have held on for years waiting to regain their equity but who are now ready to walk away, according to full-time Phoenix real estate investor Maria Giordano. ‘The majority are in situations where they have a second that is going to adjust,’ said Giordano.”
“Many of these homeowners also have the additional hurdle of deferred maintenance that makes it even tougher to sell or refinance their property. ‘The two I looked at this week had green pools, just nasty,’ she said, noting that these distressed homeowners have been willing to keep paying a second mortgage at a lower introductory rate, but now many are realizing that their payments will soon be going higher. ‘If you’re only paying $200 to $300 on a second … why not ride that out until you decide, ‘Oh shoot, I have to do something.’”
Renton, WA Sellers Slash Prices 12% As Housing Correction Resumes
http://www.zillow.com/newcastle-wa-98059/home-values/
“You Haven’t Lost Until You Sell”
So are you going to wait so you can lose more money?
‘Many of these homeowners also have the additional hurdle of deferred maintenance’
Depreciation can never be deferred. $3/sq ft losses year after year after year adds up.
“Joe Schwarz is sick and tired of being a landlord. ‘The property has pretty much been a nightmare since day one,’ he said of a home he bought while a student at Arizona State University in 2007 near the height of the housing market in the Phoenix area. ‘I’ve wanted to be done with it for years but I couldn’t because of the second (mortgage) to be honest … A lot of people shy away from me because of the second.’”
The second mortgage = His nightmare, my dream-come-true.
“Schwarz said he purchased the property for $165,000, thinking …”
… “thinking”, what an interesting word, the way it is used here …
“… thinking he was getting instant equity …”
INSTANT EQUITY! Why, it’s magic!
“… instant equity given that other similar properties nearby were selling for as much as $199,000 at the time. The plan was to rent the property to cover the mortgage while watching the equity increase over time. He purchased using some money he inherited along with a stated-income loan and a second mortgage to avoid paying private mortgage insurance (PMI).”
“Schwarz said he has continued to make mortgage payments because he doesn’t want to harm his credit, but at $30,000 in the hole he’s close to giving up on the property.”
No! No! Don’t give up! Prosperity is just around the corner! Hang in there … for … just … a … little … bit … longer.
Back in the bad old caveman days.
1. You had to have a 20% downpayment. PERIOD. Anything else (to include sleazy stated income loans) didn’t help with PMI. In fact, that was fraud.
2. Banks ate their bad loans. PERIOD. Too many bad loans and bank officials went to jail.
3. Banks went through your financial records with a fine tooth comb.
Then government got bigger and bigger with more and more regulations and higher and higher taxes to make things MORE FAIR.
“Schwarz said he purchased the property for $165,000, thinking he was getting instant equity given that other similar properties nearby were selling for as much as $199,000 at the time. The plan was to rent the property to cover the mortgage while watching the equity increase over time. He purchased using some money he inherited along with a stated-income loan and a second mortgage to avoid paying private mortgage insurance (PMI).”
How did big government cause banks to make bad loans? If anything, it was a lack of banking regulation that allowed the banks to make the bad loans, and then pawn off their bad loans on others.
fanny and freddie back them w big gov (taxpayers) as the backstop
Lack of banking regulations?
Like fraud laws and GAAP rules have not been around for a century?
How did big government cause banks to make bad loans?????
When government gets bigger and wants to make things more “fair” (to buy votes) they force businesses to do things they would never do otherwise.
Then Government makes these things more palatable by giving out goodies to these businesses. Like forcing banks to make home loans they would NEVER do otherwise and then by guaranteeing these loans. Until, eventually, nearly every loan is guaranteed by the government.
And banks are not stupid - if government is guaranteeing every loan and the bank is making money on every loan - guess where this ends?
Want to pop the housing bubble now and FOREVER?
SHRINK government. Get it completely OUT of the housing loan market.
Nearly overnight - housing will become affordable.
Want to pop the cost of higher education bubble now and FOREVER?
SHRINK government. Get it completely OUT of higher education loans.
Nearly overnight - college will become affordable.
Want to pop the medical cost bubble now and FOREVER?
SHRINK government. Get it completely OUT of the medical insurance field.
Nearly overnight - health care will become affordable.
Note: All government needs to do is enforce fraud laws and GAAP. And put people who violate these laws into jail.
It is really that simple.
“Schwarz said he purchased the property for $165,000, thinking he was getting instant equity given that other similar properties nearby were selling for as much as $199,000 at the time.”
Instant Equity, it’s the new chum.
“When a parking space in Manhattan costs $136,000 and only 15 percent of San Francisco’s homes are affordable for the middle class, it’s easy to worry that another housing bubble is around the corner. The vast majority of American homeowners have little to fear: A new gauge from Nationwide Insurance in Columbus, Ohio, suggests the national market is in its best shape since 2001 and there’s no reason to fear a national downturn, no less a bursting bubble.”
All I gotta say to this - “Nationwide is on your side!!”
Our ethics being what they are these days, you really have to look at the motives of a private business that tells you that you have little to fear. And also the motives of anyone in the government who tells you that you have little to fear.
The irony is that this “little to fear” message is being conveyed at a time when Americans are being told to be scared about almost everything else.
Muslim terrorist central americans are going to give your children ebola!
I think investors are going to be surprised by deferred maintenance. Sure, they snapped up the houses intending to sell for the appreciation, but appreciation can be quickly eaten by even standard fix-up like a new roof, furnace, and yard clean-up. Forget about granite. And that’s if the renters don’t trash the place on the way out.
There’s a house I’m watching right now. It’s a small thing, uninhabitable, needs new everything. I pegged it for a tear-down, but lo! someone bought it. Even then, IMO total investment in the sale and fix-up will cost more than comps. My guess is that they intend to add a second floor and create an Aztlan-style boarding-house. That’s about the only way to justify the land costs. I’ll keep you posted.
Just post the link so we can evaluate it ourselves.
No.
Uh huh.
Some of the flips will be even worse, many had rot, leaks, water damage etc. skinned and painted over along with very shoddy repairs and upgrades so at a glance they look OK…after Bubble 2.0 pops I’ll be avoiding them like the plague and that will not be difficult as locally the flips are very easy to spot by the listing photos. I’d guess that a fair number will go back to the banks eventually. Meanwhile local inventory is at a 3 year high and climbing…
Avoid renting/residing in stuff built 2004 - 2008.
You know, those Tool Brothers houses were supposed to last “5 years and then they fall apart.” Well it’s been 10 years now. Any stories on falling houses yet?
They all fall apart Donk. That’s why you have to throw $5000 at it every single year you live in it just to keep it standing.
Not falling…CRATERING!!!!!!!!!
Rocklin, CA List Prices Sink 4% YoY; Sellers Drive Inventory Higher
http://www.zillow.com/rocklin-ca-95765/home-values/
“The Ringgolds landed a four-bedroom, three-bath detached home in east Orange for $685,000 while concurrently selling their condo for $455,000. They were willing to take a loss on the condo. ‘We knew we were stuck. We just had to make it through,’ Ringgold says of the sacrifices his family made – like having kids share a condo bedroom. ‘But it’s like stock. You haven’t lost until you sell.’”
Poster children for “buy high, sell low” economics
OTOH they didn’t walk away like so many…or even worse pull a strategic default on the first loan after buying a second place.
Unless they had an interest only loan they probably had paid the balance down 80 - 90K over 10 years. So it would not have made sense to walk.
when and why would godaddy ever make a buck ?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hosting-company-godaddys-shares-rise-141600300.html
“but that means they’re sustainable, and in the Goldilocks sense they’re just right,’ said Berson.”
In Colorado…. is that you?