Pent-Up Seller Readiness To Turn A Quick Profit
A report from Colorado Public Radio. “Despite huge increases in the metro population, the number of homes under construction here is still about half normal levels. In 2003, contractors started construction on about 16,000 homes. More than a decade later, in 2014, there were only about 8,000 home starts. Banks and builders are hesitant, because of an unexpected paradox. The Denver area is one of the fastest-growing regions in the country, adding more than 50,000 people between 2013 and 2014, but demand for new homes is actually softening. The reason goes back to the shortage of labor and land. And those two things have translated into sticker shock for potential buyers.”
“According to Metrostudy, the average price of a new single family home has risen to about $450,000. ‘We’re now in this environment of sort of drive until you qualify,’ says John Covert, who runs Metrostudy. New home buyer Justin Knoll sees first hand, in his real estate practice, the pain that price jumps cause buyers. ‘You drive by a development and you see, ‘Oh, starting in the low $200’s.’ Well, that doesn’t exist. Add $100,000 to every sign that you see, is kind of the reality.’”
Dow Jones Business News. “Given the hot market, it may be no surprise that some buyers may be hoping to turn a quick profit. The National Association of Realtors says that 28% of the people who bought a vacation home in 2014 plan to sell it in two years or less, based on survey data. Buyers who are considering a similar strategy should have a backup plan in case prices stagnate or fall. The risk could be particularly high in vacation destinations that are seeing a surge in construction, which could point to a glut of units down the road, says Jack McCabe, an independent housing analyst in Deerfield Beach, Fla. Luxury-condominium construction in Miami has taken off over the past year and is expected to increase the number of high-cost units for sale, which could hurt prices, he says.”
“Other factors also could undercut prices. In Incline Village, Nev., on the north shore of Lake Tahoe, a buying frenzy has slowed, says Linda Granger, broker-associate for California and Nevada at Alain Pinel Realtors, based in Tahoe City, Calif. Drought has limited the amount of snow in many ski areas, she says. ‘The people who are all excited to buy ski homes’ aren’t coming to ski, so they aren’t looking to buy, she says. In the first quarter of 2015, the average selling price for homes around the lake in the $500,000 to $1 million range fell 6.5%, to $677,000, Ms. Granger says.”
Crain’s New York. “Manhattan condo and co-op sale prices leveled off during the first quarter of 2015 after a many-months boom that saw pent up demand push apartment prices into the stratosphere, according to a report by brokerage Douglas Elliman and appraisal firm Miller Samuel Inc. The number of condo and co-op sales fell 19.5% to 2,661—the third consecutive quarter of double-digit declines.”
“For newly built condos and co-ops, most of which are being targeted toward wealthy buyers, inventory increased by 22% compared with last year, and units sat on the market for much longer—though still shorter than historical averages. In addition, the median sales price dipped by more than 6% to $1.6 million. With thousands more units set to come up on the market in the next two years, the price decreases could become more pronounced and apartments could sit on the market for longer.”
The Star Tribune in Minnesota. “There was not much to see at a modest home near Bohanon Park on Minneapolis’ North Side one recent morning. But that was precisely the point. Leaders of Hennepin County’s housing team watched as a contractor installed vinyl sheets resembling windows, camouflaging the plywood that has dotted the vacant house since 2012. It is part of a new pilot project examining whether disguising vacant homes reduces vandalism and improves nearby property values.”
“The foreclosure crisis that rocked north Minneapolis has largely subsided, but the area still features more than 300 of the city’s 550 vacant properties. Some have sat empty for years. ‘As a homeowner, I know that my property values are instantly lowered because of it,’ said Ann Moe, chairwoman of the Lind-Bohanon Neighborhood Association, of boarded homes. ‘The more that I see on a block, the more my value goes down.’”
The New Jersey Herald. “Faced with a foreclosure rate among the highest in the country, Sussex County officials took the first steps in a program designed to bring help to homeowners before the bank calls about late payments. Sheriff Mike Strada, whose office handles auctions of foreclosed properties, the final step in a lengthy foreclosure proceeding, said currently 450 foreclosures are in the department’s system, meaning a court has issued a writ of foreclosure and the property can now be sold. By the time his department gets a court writ to sell at auction, ‘it’s taken two to five years to get through the system,’ and, he said, ’something like 99 percent are going back to the bank (at auction) because there isn’t a bid.’”
“Freeholder Rich Vohden, who has been following demographic trends in Sussex County since late 2013, uses the number of lis pendens, the formal notice from the lender that the borrower has fallen two payments behind, as his gauge. Vohden said as of March 31, there were 9,131 lis pendens in Sussex County, an increase of 132 over the first of the month. ‘I’m not being negative, I’m just reciting the facts,’ he said. He said the number of foreclosure proceedings ‘ties into all the other issues, such as the drop in home values, the drop in property valuation, even the loss of population.’”
Lehigh Valley Business. “Warren County, NJ realized a 16.7 percent spike in February sales over February 2014 as well as a 22.9 percent jump in pending sales. ‘We are busier than we have probably ever been,’ said Jeffrey Fiedler, broker with Fiedler Real Estate, Hackettstown. ‘I see twice the listing volume that we normally have, but I can’t say that I see a lot of contracts getting written that are really going through, other than the stuff that is bank-owned right now.’”
“Fiedler sees that activity much more with bank-owned properties and much less with the traditional resale market. ‘We are not seeing the same amount of activity as we are on the bank-owned homes because the banks have finally started to let go some of the shadow inventory,’ he said. ‘We are seeing good homes that have come to market, and the buyers are snapping them up like crazy.’”
8 News Now in Nevada. “A bill that would allow banks to give more loans and release restrictions on foreclosures is being discussed in the state assembly. Supporters of the bill say it could facilitate the sale many abandoned homes across the valley. ‘Approximately 40,000 houses in Clark County have water meters set but are disengaged,’ said realtor Mark Rollie.”
The Davis Enterprise in California. “Prospective home buyers in Davis will witness something later this year that they haven’t seen in almost 15 years: a significant number of newly constructed homes, being built in several parts of town. This pending increase residential construction is also occurring at a time when Davis home prices, as measured by the price per square foot, have pretty much caught up with the previous peak of the real estate cycle.”
“This trend appears to be prompting some potential sellers who have been waiting for prices to rebound to consider listing this spring, which could create a larger inventory of existing homes for sale than Davis has seen in recent years. Kim Eichorn of Lyon Real Estate sees prices rising again this year. And she thinks more existing homes will be coming on the market. ‘There is a lot of pent-up seller readiness,’ she said. ‘There are people who were ready to sell, but did not, because they lost equity (during the recession). But now they have largely recovered.’”
To what extent have investment funds manipulated the housing market to drive up prices, and how will they exit the market once prices start falling?
To what extent? In Nevada, for instance, prices have doubled since the bottom.
Well not really. Granted prices are massively inflated and 60% higher than the last decline and 110% higher than long term trend in NV.
Remember…. the biggest decline in housing prices is still in front of us.
Yes, really. The median in Reno/Sparks is now $270k, from a low of $135K. It’s a massive bubble.
It’s a long way down indeed.
Reno is a small market with about 400k population (Reno/Sparks/Carson City), with job growth of about 50k projected over the next 5 years from Switch, Tesla, and others moving to town.
That’s a 25% increase in jobs over a 5 year period.
There’s farther up to go before it heads down.
Vegas is a different story.
Rental_Fraud,
Reno population is stagnant/flat to falling like everywhere else.
Remember…. we’ve got 35 million houses just beginning to empty as boomers die off.
^^The fraudster right above you, RentalBoy, is probably one of the speculators driving prices through the roof there. Check out his logic of why prices are increasing, nevermind the fact that it’s a low wage area. All of the tripe about increased jobs and wages answers nothing about why prices are sky high RIGHT NOW.
Bounce in Las Vegas home sales might signal listings at ‘more realistic prices’
Even the agents think they’re too much.
Also, if accurate, the 1 year change in inventory LV SFH is positively vertical.
People respond to expectations about the future.
It happened in the Bay Area before Facebook went public. People who had been waiting to buy decided to buy BEFORE the IPO, so they would have less competition. The market moved in anticipation of the IPO.
Could very well be the same in Reno. Housing starts were way down, and now the writing is on the wall that jobs are coming…people jumped off the sidelines before supply had a chance to react.
But NOW is the best time to invest and flip a house……
http://www.capitalrehabgroup.com/gemini/article/
‘but demand for new homes is actually softening’
Funny how this keeps coming up in these ‘hot’ markets.
“demand for new homes is actually softening. The reason goes back to the shortage of labor and land. And those two things have translated into sticker shock for potential buyers.”
Prices go up, demand softens because prices are too high, supply may pick up to try to sell at the higher prices…if they build too much, it sets you up for price declines (not enough buyers at the higher prices).
This is normal.
A dynamic where prices going up causes more people to buy is abnormal.
This is the new normal.
A dynamic where falling prices causes cascading waves of sales leading to further price declines is on the way soon.
Buckle up and enjoy the ride!
PS Based on recent discussion here, I got cold feet and dumped all my REIT shares. He who dumps first dumps best.
Now you can sit back, count your winnings, and cackle at the carnage.
For all I know, prices could double or triple from here before collapsing.
Harry Dent is saying the top is about 5% away.
That is the stock market, not necessarily housing.
“A dynamic where falling prices causes cascading waves of sales leading to further price declines is on the way soon.”
Here’s the problem with that dynamic…if I sell the house that I’m living in, where do I move?
In the markets where prices are the most out of whack (NY, SF, CA generally), you also have very low vacancy rates…how do you get a cascade of sellers in these circumstances?
I hold my REIT shares at such a low basis that I would effectively need to pay 30%ish in tax for anything I sell, and so I need to be really panicked before selling…and I’m not.
Question: What about the discussions here resulted in you dumping the REITs?
Here’s the problem with that dynamic…if I sell the house that I’m living in, where do I move?
Rent for half the carry costs of buying.
In the markets where prices are the most out of whack (NY, SF, CA generally), you also have very low vacancy rates…how do you get a cascade of sellers in these circumstances?
Vacancy rates are still at record highs.
Question: What about the discussions here resulted in you dumping the REITs?
The rampant fraud.
“Here’s the problem with that dynamic…if I sell the house that I’m living in, where do I move?”
No problem for all cash investors who bought on a five-year time horizon.
“No problem for all cash investors who bought on a five-year time horizon.”
But they move somewhere, right? They’re not going to live in a box under the freeway.
So they go from owning to renting…putting just a bit more pressure on rents in a low vacancy market, which encourages just a few more people to look at buying.
Again, in a low vacancy market, how does this cascade work if people aren’t FORCED to sell? How does the feedback loop gain strength?
And again, vacancy rates are still near record highs.
“But they move somewhere, right?”
Why would investors who own multiple homes they bought in order to flip them have to sell? Makes no sense.
How many “flippers” do you think still own homes to dump on the market?
https://www.propertyradar.com/blog/real-property-report-california-february-2015/
See the graphs showing purchases and sales by LLCs/LPs.
Today, there are about 500 more sales by LLCs each month than purchases. In other words, inventory of homes owned by investors is already declining, and has been for some time (at least going back to 2013).
The supply of homes owned by investors, who are getting ready to dump the homes at any moment is far less than you think.
With 25 million excess, empty and defaulted houses, they’ve got a long way to go at that rate Rental_Fraud.
You paid how much for a depreciating house? And you borrowed the money?
You’re screwed.
San Diego, CA Sale Prices Crater 18% YoY; Demand Plummets Statewide
http://www.zillow.com/san-diego-ca-92103/home-values/
I noticed that Zillow is referencing data through Feb 28. It it typical for them to be more than a month behind?
Yes.
So Kim Eichorn believes that more homes will come on the market, but prices will continue to increase? How does that work? More supply leads to higher prices?
If you spin it correctly rising prices can translate into rising values.
And in the crazy world of real estate (and stocks) a trend of rising values attracts new money, and this new money adds to the price rise (and thus adds to the rise of values) and - presto! - you once again have a boom.
That’s if you spin it correctly.
The spin is easy, what’s need is money - money that is directed, directed to support the spin.
But the money spin is also easy and that’s because the multitudes have been sold on the idea that it is in the National Interest, as well as their personal interest, the real estate prices remain elevated.
People want lower gas prices and they want lower food prices but very few people want lower real estate prices.
People want lower gas prices and they want lower food prices but very few people want lower real estate prices.
Lower real estate prices == being underwater
Or to put it another way, people want the prices of consumables to fall, but they want the prices of their assets (stocks, PMs, real estate, 401K, etc.) to rise.
It really isn’t hard to understand why people feel this way.
Paying inflated prices == being underwater
Once again you suggest inflated prices are acceptable, normal and positive.
That’s untruthful.
‘The National Association of Realtors says that 28% of the people who bought a vacation home in 2014 plan to sell it in two years or less’
That’s a lot of speculation, and I’d say more are gambling than 28%, even if they don’t realize it. Consider this:
‘The National Association of Realtors released a report on April 1st titled Vacation Home Sales Soar to Record High in 2014, Investment Purchases Fall which states that vacation-home sales catapulted to an estimated 1.13 million last year, the highest amount since NAR began the survey in 2003. In total, Vacation sales grew 57.4% from 717,000 in 2013.’
‘Vacation-home sales accounted for 21 percent of all transactions in 2014, their highest market share since the survey was first conducted.’
http://www.wtrf.com/story/28734451/vacation-home-sales-rise-57-outperforming-investment-properties
Given it costs 6% of the price of a home to sell it, you are taking a big risk assuming you can flip the house that quick.
It is usually more than 6% in practice, buyer and pest inspections very often turn up items that must be fixed before the sale goes through and there are other various costs the seller covers that add up…in my case I negotiated a 5% commission but the city required a sewer lateral video inspection that my house failed, a new line out to the middle of the street was $5K.
(FWIW it all worked out OK thanks to the HBB and OTM blogs, I knew what was coming and sold quickly in early 2007, had bought 10 years earlier)
‘Approximately 40,000 houses in Clark County have water meters set but are disengaged,’ said realtor Mark Rollie.”
Thats a eye opener…Not because of the 40k number, but because of no water meters…Clearly either Repo’s or investor owned…The ultimate absorption of all those housing is going to have market consequences…Wow….
Taraboomdea (sp?) posted a version of this the other day.
‘The housing depression created a new underclass of homeowners who cannot sell or refinance for two reasons. Because they owe more on their homes than they are worth. Or because they are above water but don’t have enough positive equity to cover the costs of selling or the 20 percent positive equity lenders require to refinance.’
‘They own about 10 million homes — about 20 percent of the 49.9 million homes with mortgages, according to CoreLogic’s latest equity report. That’s one out of every five homeowners with a mortgage.’
‘The impact of the under-equitied on the housing economy is magnified because they are concentrated in certain markets. Those markets are the places that suffered most during the housing crisis — the so-called sand states of California, Arizona, Nevada and Florida/’
‘Over the past three years, we have been lulled to sleep by comforting headlines from reliable sources such as CoreLogic and RealtyTrac reporting that the numbers of underwater and under-equitied homeowners were steadily declining. The number of underwater homeowners increased in the fourth quarter of last year, but that’s not the real problem. The HARP program, now winding down, helped some 3.4 million, mostly under-equitied homeowners refinance. But HARP only helped the half of all mortgage holders whose mortgages were owned by Fannie or Freddie — all others were out of luck.’
‘Like ghosts in the night, the under-equitied play havoc with the balance between supply and demand. Wonder why there are many entry-level homes in your market? Are thin inventories driving up prices? Are inventories low because too many homes are owned by under-equitied folks who can’t sell?’
http://www.inman.com/2015/04/08/why-under-equitied-homeowners-are-a-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-real-estate-economy/
Saw this commercial on TV last night. Basically equating risk taking in the housing market with our patriotic duties like the moon landing. Gotta be a top indicator
Suzanne researched this!
https://youtu.be/TGc5dE6CGQI
‘The American dream can be scary. But it’s the big things like starting a family and signing a 30-year mortgage that ultimately trump fear, demand bravery and fill you with a sense of empowerment. Start here.’
Ironically it’s when you sign up for 30 years of mortgage slavery is where the life crushing fear and loss of power begins.
Loss of power for some, but not for all.
It’s all about positioning, positioning yourself on the right side of these 30 year mortgages.
Some people work, others reap.
This is when you become a slave to your employer.
“…30 years of mortgage slavery…”
A home loan should never exceed ten years, IMHO.
Bahahahahahahahahaha …
“None of this make rational sense, it only makes American sense.”
America: A nation of dummys.
Dumb ‘em down, and profit.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Don’t forget Canada, Australia, England, China, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. And I’m sure this list is not comprehensive.
A classic in making. You can tell by the way it makes your skin crawl.
‘There is a lot of pent-up seller readiness,’ she said. ‘There are people who were ready to sell, but did not, because they lost equity (during the recession). But now they have largely recovered.’”
Funny stuff right here considering nobody is interested at that price. Demand is down and falling in every state except for two.
http://files.zillowstatic.com/research/public/State/State_Turnover_AllHomes.csv
I’m trying to sell a 2004 Chevy pickup for $50k. I paid $60k for it.
I’m Screwed.
Then sell it to the insurance company.
The title of the NY article:
‘Manhattan: Your residential gold rush is over’
NYC’s Saddest Homes Have Sought Buyers for Over 4 Years
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2015/04/07/nycs_saddest_homes_have_sought_buyers_for_over_4_years.php
Sounds just like California. Millions of excess empty houses will continue to sit there until the prices fall.
If they aren’t selling at current inflated prices, how will ever lower future prices induce sales?
This is definitely driving demand at the “low end” in my little burg, 30 miles north of Denver. Houses in the low 200K range sell fast, often in a single day with multiple offers. This definitely wasn’t the case even a year ago. Also seeing increased demand in the low $300K range, but those don’t sell as quickly nor do they receive multiple offers.
It’s going to be interesting when the music stops.
’sort of drive until you qualify’
Check.
‘Add $100,000 to every sign that you see’
Check again! This is looking familiar.
Here’s another drive til you qualify place:
http://www.zillow.com/queen-creek-az/
‘1,247 results’
The traffic in metro Denver is the worst it has been in the time I’ve lived here
And shiny cars I bet. Everybody’s feelin’ pretty good.
March 27, 2008
‘A year ago at this time, Irvine was home to 18 subprime lenders, including many of the leaders in the field, such as New Century Financial and Option One. Then, in what seemed like the blink of an eye, 4,100 good-paying white collar jobs were gone.’
‘Honestly, some people are still sitting here with their jaws dropping, saying ‘How did it happen?’ It was just so fast,’ said Jacquie Ellis, CEO of the Irvine Chamber of Commerce. ‘Everybody was riding high, it was like fat city.’
http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=4322
What blows me away about the Denver area is the the concentration of building INSIDE the 470 loop. I have to wonder why this has occurred. Some of this has leaked over the hill on I-25 south toward Castle Rock and north I-25 past Thornton, but man o man inside the 470 the traffic is just scary. Did the great powers that be when ‘planning’ was considered foresee this mess in the Denver area - me thinks not.
Still - you have to live in a place like Chicago to understand how BAD traffic can be - don’t move here you won’t like it.
It was awful in the 80’s. I can’t imagine.
Queen creek. LOL. Like Maricopa, good luck to the fools that bought there.
I was out there a few months ago. It was a mad housing construction blow-out. Look at how many of the listings on that link are new houses.
“The National Association of Realtors says that 28% of the people who bought a vacation home in 2014 plan to sell it in two years or less, based on survey data.”
Luckily for the NAR, we haven’t run out of real estate investing morons just yet.
I just got this in an email:
‘Keep Your Home California announced today changes to help more low- and moderate-income homeowners who are struggling with their monthly mortgage payments remain in their homes as part of the free mortgage-assistance program. The changes will assist homeowners who have suffered a financial hardship attain an affordable monthly mortgage payment and provide them with an opportunity to solve their mortgage troubles, before they fall behind on their payments.’
‘For homeowners who have already fallen behind on their monthly payments, Keep Your Home California has more than doubled the amount of funding that is available to help homeowners catch-up on past-due mortgages. The state program, which is overseen by the California Housing Finance Agency (CalHFA), can provide up to $100,000 in assistance to eligible homeowners under the Principal Reduction Program.’
“Despite an improving economy and job market, there are still many homeowners who are struggling every month or just need a little help to get back on track with their payments,” said Tia Boatman Patterson, Executive Director of CalHFA. “Our goal is to help California homeowners prevent avoidable foreclosures, and the changes to the program are the latest in that effort.”
‘The changes affect the Principal Reduction Program, which allows homeowners with unaffordable monthly mortgage payments to apply for as much as $100,000 in assistance to reduce their principal balance. Principal reductions often lead to savings of hundreds of dollars each month on homeowners’ mortgage payments.’
‘The state-managed program has also more than doubled the funding limit for the Mortgage Reinstatement Assistance Program. Homeowners who are behind at least two months on their payments can now receive up to $54,000 to help them catch up on their past-due mortgage payments. The previous maximum was $25,000. Homeowners must have recovered from their financial hardship and be able to make their monthly mortgage payments going forward in order to be eligible for the program.’
“California’s recent program changes allow struggling homeowners to get the mortgage help they need,” said Mark McArdle, Chief of the Homeownership Preservation Office at the U.S. Department of Treasury. “Although the housing market is recovering, there are still many homeowners who have a difficult time making their mortgage payment. These changes will provide relief to those who need it most.”
‘Boatman Patterson said that many California homeowners are back to work, but some are now in lower-paying positions and having a difficult time making their monthly payments or catching up on their mortgage. An affordable mortgage payment – the cornerstone of a solid financial situation – benefits homeowners, their communities and the state.’
‘Homeowners must meet program eligibility requirements, including having suffered a financial hardship – such as a job loss, cut in pay, a divorce, death or extraordinary medical expenses – and meet county-by-county income requirements (a complete income limit list is available at http://keepyourhomecalifornia.org/income-limits/). Severe negative equity – a loan-to-value ratio of 120% or more –is considered a financial hardship under the Principal Reduction Program.’
‘The changes to the Mortgage Reinstatement Assistance and Principal Reduction programs are the fourth in as many months for Keep Your Home California.’
‘Keep Your Home California began helping homeowners in February 2011 after the state received almost $2 billion from the U.S. Treasury’s Hardest Hit Fund. More than 50,000 homeowners have received a total of $950 million from the program.’
Whine Country!
Just what California needs… another foreclosure moratorium.
As if collapsing housing demand to 20+year lows wasn’t enough in that state.
I’m struggling to pay my rent. Can I get $54,000 to help make our monthly over the next couple of years?