Waves That Could Get A Bit Choppy
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “The housing market in Southwest Florida has been red-hot for the past three years. Now it’s about to get blistering. Because many buyers are older, affluent and paying cash, said Naples real estate agent Ryan Schwartz, ‘no one is getting appraisals, and that’s pushing up prices dramatically fast.’”
“Chicago residents Joanna and Thomas Wala recently bought a three-bedroom home in Bonita Springs. They plan to use it occasionally for vacations, and eventually to make it their retirement place in the sun — even though they are both still in their 40s and not at all ready to retire. In the meantime, they are covering their expenses and even making a small profit by renting it out seasonally. ‘Moving here now was out of the question,’ said Joanna. ‘But I did the calculations, and buying just made so much sense. We have something that’s worth something, and its value is growing.’”
“In the latest sign of froth in the high-end home market, Manhattan penthouses are being offered for millions more than they sold for just a year or two ago. While brokers say the rise of penthouse flipping is a sign of strength in the market, with tight supply and strong demand from rich overseas buyers, others say it signals excessive expectations for the luxury home market. ‘I don’t see it as a sign of the strength of the market,’ said Jonathan Miller of the appraisal firm Miller Samuel. ‘I think it’s buyers testing the market and seeing if they can get their number. If they can’t, no harm, no foul.’”
“Miller also said the rise of penthouse flipping is a sign of the new wave of buyers-foreign and U.S. rich who see real estate as investments rather than primary residences. Since they are more like safe-deposit boxes than homes, owners are more free to flip them if the market seems attractive.”
“A real estate developer said he is taking the unusual step of changing his 38-unit Salt Ballard Condos project to apartments due to rising construction costs and concerns over construction defect liability. Changing condos to apartments was common during the Great Recession’s devastating condo crash. In his letter to buyers, Dave deBruyn, principal of Vancouver, British Columbia-based InHaus Development, said there is a record amount of construction in the greater Seattle area, including more than even at the last market peak of 2007.”
“Adding more apartments in Ballard adds a risk as almost 1,200 units were build in the neighborhood in 2013 and 2014. Landlords are offering higher-than-market concessions, such as some free rent. Yet the vacancy rate in the first quarter for new apartments was a whopping 45 percent. That isn’t slowing construction, however. There are just over 600 units under construction and 450 approved by the city in Ballard.”
“There are plenty of short-term rental opportunities on the Monterey Peninsula, even in cities that have ordinances against the practice. Monterey and Carmel ban short-term rentals. ‘It’s purely financial,’ one Monterey property owner said of her motivation to rent out short term. ‘To stay in my home, I need this income.’ She asked that her name not be used for fear of repercussions from the city.”
“Calgary landlords are seeing a noticeable drop in the number of prospective tenants and some are opting to reduce their rents in response, as the city’s once red-hot housing market appears to have cooled substantially, according to industry representatives. ‘We’re seeing a lot of people needing to break their lease,’ said Bill Blake of the Alberta Landlords Association. ‘A lot of newer landlords who just got into the market in the past five years when things have been really hot, they’re getting really stressed out.’”
“The lack of demand for luxury properties, weakening of oil prices and strengthening of the US dollar are causing house prices in Dubai to fall. Haider Ali Khan, CEO of property portal Bayut, attributed the realty price decline to a number of factors, including the strengthening of the US dollar, slow growth in the global markets and fall of the oil prices. ‘The oil price crunch has also affected demand from Russian and Saudi investors, whose wealth has lost value due to the global crisis,’ he said.”
“Like the Byculla project, at least three others in central Mumbai have dropped conditions for buyers, indicating that exclusive housing is gradually becoming less commercially viable. For the first time in years, supply is keeping up with demand and, in many cases, outstripping it. Dreading the prospect of unsold flats, many builders are dropping archaic biases in favour of cold, hard cash. ‘Builders are now forced to accommodate Muslims as they need money - that’s all,’ said Amin Patel, a Congress legislator and developer.”
“Leo Johnson, partner at PwC, said 81% of pension funds are invested in the Chinese housing market and they could experience ‘waves that could start to get a bit choppy.’ He said: ‘If you kick the tyres on it, what you see is you’ve got some trends that suggest they’re overbuilt and there’s empty housing stock. You’re seeing a market that’s starting to look like 80 years’ worth of oversupply already.’”
“Over the past 25 years we have tied too much capital to the ‘unproductive asset’ of housing, and too little to the productive entities we call ‘business’. Houses contribute to the economy by turning out happy, healthy workers who labour to create the goods and services Australians consume, or to create tradable goods and services to help pay for imports. And yes, Australian dwellings have become fancier, better structures over time so are worth more. But that’s not in itself enough to drive the stock of housing debt from 20 per cent of GDP in 1990 to around 90 per cent today.”
“When the GFC threatened to halt the growth of housing credit – waves of federal and state government hand-outs to help first home buyers get onto the housing ladder. What’s forgotten in that long-term story is that each new generation has to direct an ever-larger proportion of their pay packets to servicing debt.”
“Australia’s rebalancing away from a heavy dependence on the resources sector comes at time when we must also rebalance away from a long property and credit boom. That doesn’t have to mean a bubble will ‘burst’, but it does mean the end of an era in which Aussie pay packets were assumed to be able to service unlimited amounts of debt. If anything is bursting, it’s that fantasy.”
“You’re seeing a market that’s starting to look like 80 years’ worth of oversupply already.’”
How are measures like this calculated? Is it as simple as summing units of currently for-sale used home inventory plus recent new construction, then dividing by the recent rate of sales?
Even if eighty years’ worth of backlog is close to the true magnitude of the glut, it remains unclear why ‘waves that could start to get a bit choppy.’ should be a concern to institutional investors who bought Chinese real estate. Don’t these properties act more like a ’safe deposit box’ for using real property ownership to buffer portfolios against fiat currency devaluation than as places to live in? If so, why should unsold shadow inventory even matter?
What seem quite ludicrous are MSM articles suggesting any kind of linkage between prices in investor-driven markets (Australia, coastal U.S., China, etc) and fundamental demand for homes as domiciles.
So long as the investor bid far exceeds what households are willing to pay for shelter, why does traditional fundamental demand matter one iota?
“…why does traditional fundamental demand matter one iota.”
It doesn’t until other people’s money runs out. Right now things are back to 2004 and I’m not kidding. You can get hard money for 20% down (or less) and they’ll finance 80% of the repairs as well. Investors are picking up houses for $200,000, putting very little work into them, and flipping for $300,000. Eventually we’ll have a repeat when people can’t finance the houses on the back side.
‘In Portland’s hot real estate market where some homes are getting dozens of offers and bidding wars have sent prices skyrocketing, one buyer found a way to stand out among the rest: Offer free pizza every month for life.’
‘Donna DiNicola, owner of DiNicola’s Italian Restaurant in southeast Portland, might have been joking when she offered the pizza, but it worked. Her offer for a 900 square foot (83.6 sq meter) house in southeast Portland for her 23-year-old son was accepted.’
“I thought, well time is ticking and we’ve got to get into this market,” she said, adding the house was perfect even though it was at the top of their price range after offering $275,000 and two months of free rent for the sellers.’
“I thought, well time is ticking and we’ve got to get into this market,” she said, adding the house was perfect even though it was at the top of their price range after offering $275,000 and two months of free rent for the sellers.’
Curious about the two months free rent. Are the sellers renting back from the new owners, or did new owners agree to cover two months of rent on a different place? Either way, it’s interesting the former owners have now opted to rent, something we did on selling the last home we owned a decade back.
‘Donna DiNicola, owner of DiNicola’s Italian Restaurant in southeast Portland, might have been joking when she offered the pizza, but it worked. Her offer for a 900 square foot (83.6 sq meter) house in southeast Portland for her 23-year-old son was accepted.’
“I thought, well time is ticking and we’ve got to get into this market,” she said, adding the house was perfect even though it was at the top of their price range after offering $275,000 and two months of free rent for the sellers.’
I can’t decide which sentence is WORST. winning a bidding war or coddling your 23 year old millennial manchild?
The second paragraph grossly demonstrates a sucker’s ability to buy at the top of a market.
When we purchased, the seller wanted to stay in the home for a month after we closed in order to get their stuff together and move out (they had lived there for ~20 years).
That was part of the negotiation of the purchase agreement. Since the negotiation was off-market, and she didn’t really counter on price, we were willing to conceded a month of free rent in the negotiation.
Since she was no longer the owner of the home, however, we needed to have a short-form lease for the one month she stayed, rent free.
Since it is difficult to perfectly time the sale of one home and the purchase of another, it is not uncommon for the seller to stay in their (former) home for a short period of time before they move out.
The two months free rent is highly likely a situation where the sellers got to stay in their house for 2 months following the close of escrow.
Whether they bought another place, or are becoming renters can’t really be gleaned from the 2-months free rent. I know the person who sold us their house (and got one-month free rent from us) bought another house.
Yup. Seen this same thing in my neighborhood. Negotiated in the purchase & sale agreement. Gives the seller some breathing room to make future living arrangements.
DiNicola’s is meh pizza anyway.
Now if it had been Pizzicato…
‘The housing shortage in Worthington has reached a new level, forcing employees of the city’s largest company to commute from as far as Sioux Falls. City officials say the workforce continues to grow, but with a rental vacancy of zero, they won’t be able to keep up forever.’
“It is a sacrifice. One hour drive to come and one hour drive to go back,” said Beraki Wodermariam, JBS Employee.’
‘About a dozen cargo vans take nearly 100 employees from Sioux Falls to JBS every day. Wodermariam says some have tried to move to Worthington, but the housing just isn’t there. “It’s the community. Their family, their friends that live there. And there’s not enough houses here to bring that whole support group,” said Len Bakken, JBS Human Resources Director.’
‘Chapulis says there are a number of factors that have allowed the housing shortage to spiral out of control. “Due to the fact that there hasn’t been housing to keep up with the demand, we have not seen construction. And that affects appraisals,” said Chapulis.’
‘Add that to the rising cost of construction, Chapulis says these factors make it extremely difficult to attract developers to places like Worthington.’
I get the long range commuter issue in coastal CA, thanks to watching it up close for a couple of decades now.
But in Minnesota? That’s just strange.
And it’s rural Minnesota. According to Wikipedia, the population of that town is just under 13,000.
‘She was always housing everyone else with that piece of stability she had. But then Joe got sick, and died in 2006, and she lost her job as a medical office receptionist when she was 67. She missed her mortgage payments in June and July 2007, and says she couldn’t catch up after that.’
‘She tried to get a loan modification, she says. She fought and fought, but the bank foreclosed on the house, and she moved out on Memorial Day, exactly 30 years after Joe dug the flagpole hole.’
‘More than 1.5 million older Americans lost their homes as a result of the mortgage crisis, according to a 2012 study by AARP, and 3.5 million more were underwater on their loans.’
‘Often, military veterans’ widows like Mary, whose benefits are thin and who were unable to have their own stable careers that would give them pensions, are the ones getting kicked out. The bank foreclosed on Mary’s home, and it sold for $42,000 in 2010. It was resold for about $56,000 the next year.’
“I used to drive by my home every few days or so until my neighbor across the street said that the present owners were getting scared and asked her to tell me to stop,” she said.’
‘Today, the house is back on the market, for $259,000.’
‘Often, military veterans’ widows like Mary, whose benefits are thin and who were unable to have their own stable careers that would give them pensions, are the ones getting kicked out. The bank foreclosed on Mary’s home, and it sold for $42,000 in 2010. It was resold for about $56,000 the next year.
Today, the house is back on the market, for $259,000.’
Some investor made a bundle off Mary’s misfortune, plus the luck of timing with the Fed’s home price reflation initiative.
“Some investor made a bundle off Mary’s misfortune, plus the luck of timing with the Fed’s home price reflation initiative.”
Let’s take a peek at what lies behind Mary’s misfortune:
“… and she moved out on Memorial Day, exactly 30 years after Joe dug the flagpole hole.”
Thirty years. Check.
“… she lost her job as a medical office receptionist when she was 67. She missed her mortgage payments in June and July 2007, and says she couldn’t catch up after that.”
She lost her job at age 67 and then began to miss mortgage payments - mortgage payments for a house she and her husband bought thirty years ago.
So, why does she still have mortgage payments for a house that was bought thirty years ago?
She and her husband bought the house thirty years ago from the year 2006, which means she bought the house in 1976. Houses did not cost nearly as much in 1976 as they did in 2006 so her mortgages payments from a mortgage taken out in 1976 should have not been all that overwhelming - in fact (if she and her husband did the right thing) they shouldn’t have had a mortgage payment at all.
But they did have a mortgage payment and this mortgage payment was overwhelming which strongly suggests that the mortgage payment she could not make was not the same mortgage payment that she and her husband signed up for in 1976.
Implied is that she did not have enough equity in the house to get a HELOC to smooth things over.
She is pictured next to a fairly new F150 XLT.
Did you really expect her to drive a beater Corolla like Bill in LA?
‘What a difference a few weeks can make. After years of constrained housing inventory we’ve suddenly got close to 400 properties on the market in Reston.’
‘While there is a lot more property on the market than we’ve previously had a 3.3 month’s supply is still considered a “seller’s market” although we’re not seeing the appreciation that is typically associated with a seller’s market — prices have been flat, especially above the $500,000 end of market.’
‘Does that mean you can throw a sign in your yard and expect the offers to roll in? Not by a long shot. Buyer’s are demanding and they’re informed. They recognize the when a seller has reached the correct intersection of price and condition.’
This dynamic reminds me of looking at a market in CA where there was 1 month of inventory, but flat year-on-year prices.
If a tight market (judged by number of sales vs. listings) is not generating price increases even equal to inflation, you can be pretty sure prices are topping out.
The “number of sales” in CA are at 30 year lows simply means housing demand is at 30 year lows.
‘After years of soaring real estate prices in Norway, especially in Oslo and Stavanger, it finally was a little less expensive to buy a home last month. Brokers reported a slight decline in average sales prices, down 0.3 percent from April to May.’
‘In Stavanger, where prices were regularly climbing for years in line with Norway’s oil-fed economy, the sudden slowdown in the oil industry has kept housing prices almost still for the past year.’
“I think the Stavanger region will enter a period when prices decline,” Christian Vammervold Dreyer of the real estate industry’s trade association, Eiendom Norge, told news bureau NTB. The number of resales nationwide fell 4.8 percent, to 8,791.’
Norway housing is toast. I know a couple of young Norwegians who did very well by purchasing early and riding up the bubble, but it’s over now.
‘Despite a sustained period of strong pending home-sale numbers, the rate of actual closed deals for homes in Massachusetts has been stagnant in recent months, according to data from the Massachusetts Association of Realtors.’
‘Several Realtors said that difficulty securing financing deals with banks has prompted some of their clients to back out of agreements or has substantially delayed closings. In cities such as Fitchburg, Leominster and Lowell, there are still a large number of bank-owned homes for which the financing process can be particularly slow, said Bill Foss, president of the North Central Massachusetts Association of Realtors.’
‘”Mainland Chinese buyers are really driving markets from Sydney through New York to London, and Canadian cities like Vancouver — particularly Vancouver — are no exception,” former ambassador to China David Mulroney told Canada’s national broadcaster, the CBC, in March. Like many in Vancouver, Mulroney wants to restrict investments in high-end real estate to protect lower-income buyers.’
‘The evidence of Chinese money flowing into Vancouver is unmistakable. South of downtown, the suburb of Richmond has been transformed into a bustling network of Chinese markets, shopping malls, hair salons and English schools. On Richmond’s busiest street corners, signs in Chinese are more visible than those in English. It’s easier to buy a pork bun than a hamburger, and you can shop all day without speaking a word of English. Along the light-rail corridors, gleaming condo developments are sprouting up to accommodate new buyers.’
“For the Chinese investor, there are two important things; one is family, and the other is real estate,” said Eric Andreason, marketing manager of Adera, a firm that advertises to Chinese buyers. “They’re very savvy, and they know real estate. They know that if they buy a place and hold onto it, it’s going to do well for them.”
‘Andreason said many Chinese families, like the Wangs, come to Vancouver looking for a good education for their children and an opportunity to divest their money from a potential Chinese housing bubble that could burst. With a few million dollars to spend, a new home often seems like the safest bet.’
‘Michigan’s vacation home market is a story of diverging fortunes for the state’s east and west coasts. On the Lake Michigan side, agents see rising prices and a growing number of people looking to buy. In many popular areas such as Saugatuck, there’s a thinning inventory of waterfront property and cottages to pick from. That’s good for sellers and more expensive for buyers.’
‘Depending on location, the secondary-home or cottage prices are anywhere from 2% to 20% off their pre-Great Recession peak. “We’re almost back to that late 2006-early 2007 level, before the cliff,” said Dick Waskin, a broker-owner of RE/MAX Saugatuck-Douglas.’
‘But on the Lake Huron “sunrise side” of the state, the cottage market is less bright for sellers. Prices here are, at best, inching up from their recessionary lows. The shortage is not in inventory, but in prospective buyers.’
‘Sam Johnson, 63, of Bel Air, Md., was impressed this spring by the number of high-quality and reasonably priced cottages on the Lake Huron side of Michigan. For $234,000, he bought a two-bedroom log home on Long Lake, just outside Alpena.’
“That is one of the reasons why I looked at waterfront property up there,” said Johnson, who also has relatives in the area. “Down where I live, (prices) are just off the charts.”
‘In the Lake Charlevoix area, prices are about 10% higher than two years ago, yet still 15% to 20% off their peak of last decade, said Pat O’Brien of Boyne City-based Pat O’Brien & Associates.’
‘There have been 18 sales over $250,000 on Lake Charlevoix so far this year, including five over $1 million. That compares with 11 sales at this time last year with two of them over $1 million, he said. “I think it’s people having more confidence in their financial situation, and they’re more ready to get back in the second-home market,” said O’Brien said.’
Lakefront Michigan is beautiful. Still, $234K for a house that you can use 3 to 4 months out of the year is insanity.
The Port Huron side of the state has always been where retired auto workers bought. The Lake Michigan side, especially in the Traverse City area and north, is too rich for that blood.
‘Thirteen years ago, Percy Evans and his wife, Beverly, both in their 60s, made the decision to follow the typical American dream and purchase a home in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.’
‘But since making that decision, life for the couple has been far from a dream. “If I know then what I know now, I don’t think I’d buy a house,” Percy, 66, said.’
‘They purchased their home for $79,000. With an interest rate at nine percent, the couple’s payments are just over $1,100 a month, but after more than a decade of paying it off, they still owe the full principal amount on the home.’
I don’t think Percy was planning on working until he was 90 to pay off the house. More likely the house was supposed to pay him.
9 percent? What are they? Sub-sub prime?
“‘They purchased their home for $79,000. With an interest rate at nine percent, the couple’s payments are just over $1,100 a month, but after more than a decade of paying it off, they still owe the full principal amount on the home.’”
???
This math doesn’t work unless they pulled out a bunch of cash with a refinance later.
$79,000 at 9% = $600 in interest per month.
Which means a $1,100 payment would have paid down $500 in principal with the FIRST payment (and going up).
If they paid $1,000 per month, the loan would have been PAID OFF COMPLETELY after 10 years…even at a 9% rate.
There is something (major) they are not telling us. Great reporting, Aljazeera.
You just don’t know how to do debt junkie math.
‘While house-hunting in Marin, Kiu Phung of Novato and her husband, Michael Murray, made offers on three homes to no avail, always losing out to higher bids. Finally, they wrote a letter to a seller introducing themselves and explaining why they loved the property — and they snagged the house this month.’
‘The couple’s story is just one example of how practices that were common in the boom of the early 2000s are catching on again.’
‘As the third year of multiple offers and offers over asking price continues, Marin homebuyers are resorting to creative enticements to get the homes of their dreams. Writing letters, offering free rent-backs, paying all cash, doing pre-inspections and waiving contingencies are common ploys. Some are carryovers from the first boom, and others are new.’
“We in Marin are starting to follow what has been more of a pattern in San Francisco, with a number of multiple offers and even some non-contingent offers,” said Patricia Navone of Pacific Union, Phung’s real estate agent. Phung looked for nine months before succeeding in her search, Navone said.’
“We do see any opportunity from the buyer’s perspective to stand out in the seller’s eyes. They are competing with other buyers on price and terms so the buyers try to find a way to make their terms more attractive to the sellers,” said Dave Buoncristiani of Coldwell Banker. “That might be a free rent-back, possibly, or buyers will write personal notes to the seller just to stand out and hopefully make it a little more personal transaction.”
We said we’d learn from last time, that we were a better people than that, but it was a monstrous lie. This was what we really wanted, more than anything, and this is what we got.
And what’s even worse, after the next crash it’s gonna happen again.
‘When Lisa Metzler declared bankruptcy in 2012, she was so delinquent on her mortgage that she agreed to surrender her Gibsonton townhouse so the bank could proceed with foreclosure.’
‘By agreeing to give up the home, Metzler was allowed to keep $5,000 worth of personal property. That was in federal court, which handles bankruptcy cases. Yet in state court, Metzler hired a lawyer and continued to fight the foreclosure. She still has her house. So do some other debtors who promised to surrender their homes but kept battling the bank.’
‘That’s not fair, lenders are starting to argue. When people say they are going to surrender property, they should do so or face a penalty. It’s an argument that’s finding a receptive ear among a small but growing number of bankruptcy judges.’
‘Last year, Judge Michael G. Williamson in Tampa threw out Metzler’s bankruptcy case because she kept trying to block foreclosure. “At a minimum,” he wrote in a recent opinion, “ ’surrender’ means a debtor cannot take an overt act that impedes a secured creditor from foreclosing its interest in secured property.”
‘In a similar South Florida case, Judge Erik Kimball put the issue more bluntly: “When a debtor says, ‘(I) surrender,’ that means you need to throw up your hands and not fight anymore.”
‘Some debtors fight to keep houses they don’t even live in. Former Clearwater Beach real estate agent Michael Andolino agreed in bankruptcy court to surrender a waterfront home he bought as a rental property.’
‘But after his bankruptcy case was closed, Andolino resumed battling the bank in state court. He hasn’t made a mortgage payment in five years, yet he continues to collect rent each month.’
‘Andolino, who now has a used car business in New Port Richey, was asked by email why he collected thousands of dollars in rent yet hadn’t made a payment on his loan in five years. He did not respond.’
‘As a real estate investor looking to buy houses, fix them up and sell them for a profit, Aaron Chaney has flipped houses in just about every part of Allegheny County, but he says his most lucrative opportunities have been in Lawrenceville.’
“I find the neighborhoods that are most profitable to flip in are the neighborhoods in transition to a higher value,” said Mr. Chaney, co-owner of Penn-Pioneer Enterprises in Trafford. He and his partner, Mark Fichtner, flipped about 40 houses last year.’
‘They are currently renovating a three-bedroom house in Lawrenceville they bought in 2013 for $38,000. After extensive renovations, they plan to list it for $450,000.’
‘They are currently renovating a three-bedroom house in Lawrenceville they bought in 2013 for $38,000. After extensive renovations, they plan to list it for $450,000.’
Were tulips this profitable?
‘There’s been a great deal talk about under-occupancy over the past two years, and generally it’s been linked to talk of under-occupants - social housing tenants who have more bedrooms than they apparently need.’
‘But what about those who don’t occupy their properties at all? At the last count, more than 31,000 homes in Scotland had been unoccupied for six months or more; a significant number at a time of chronic housing shortages.’
‘Who are these people who can afford to pay 90 per cent council tax on a home where no-one lives, let alone 200 per cent? I’d wager many of them have inherited these “bonus” properties, often without paying a penny of tax in the process. Shelter estimates that leaving a home empty can “cost” up to £7,000 a year - but that figure includes hypothetical lost rental income so the real outlay for council tax, security and repairs will be considerably lower. The key question is whether this cost is likely to outweigh any increase in the property’s value, as the housing bubble inflates again and those sitting on assets they haven’t earned look forward to cashing in their chips.’
‘Meanwhile, regular working people with just the one home (which they can’t sell unless they buy another) illogically rub their hands at the prospect of “gains” they’ll never see, endorsing policies that push home ownership out of the reach of their children and grandchildren - at least until such time as they shuffle off their mortal coil and leave a free house.’
‘Who are these people who can afford to pay 90 per cent council tax on a home where no-one lives, let alone 200 per cent?
Could someone from the UK explain what this means? 90 to 200 percent of what?
Nevermind, I just looked it up.
The maximum property tax in the UK is £2,536, which is 200% of the middle band of £1,268.
I know people in in the Bay Area that pay $12,000 a year.
wow it’s capped? no wonder London is booming
prop 13
Imagine that. Buy a £10 million house in London and only pay £2,536 property tax per year. Buy a $10 million house in Palo Alto and pay $100,000 per year. Buy a $10 million house in some high prop tax state and you could be paying $500,000 per year.
‘Listing agents have shaved $450,000 off the initial asking price of one of Frank Sinatra’s Coachella Valley homes — or, rather, three houses— arranged high above Palm Desert in a compound called Villa Maggio.’
‘The estate was listed for $3,995,000 in April 2013. In September of that year, agents raised the price to $4,400,000. The listing expired in August 2014, and the house returned to market in February for its current asking price of $3.95 million, according to the listing agent’s office.’
Keep slashin’ Realt-Liars…… keep slashin’.
I’m sure the three houses are totally cool, but they were custom designed to suit Frank Sinatra’s taste. Don’t people with that kind of money generally prefer to “do it their way” rather than buy some deceased entertainer’s lived-in spread?
‘Police in Florence wondered where all the money was going. Italy’s economy was heading off a cliff, but its Chinatowns were booming. Luxury cars snaked past Chinese betting parlors and garment factories that hummed into the night. Chinese immigrants were buying up Italian coffee bars and real estate. But their prosperity was not reflected in local tax records.’
“What do they do with the money?” said Pietro Suchan, then deputy public prosecutor in Florence. “Do they eat it?”
‘The answer, after a four-year investigation by Italy’s financial police, was no. They discovered that more than 4.5 billion euros ($4.9 billion) — the proceeds of counterfeiting, prostitution, labor exploitation and tax evasion — had been smuggled out of Italy to China in less than four years using a money-transfer service. Nearly half that money was funneled through one of China’s largest state banks, the Bank of China, which earned more than 758,000 euros in commissions on the transfers, according to Italian investigative documents obtained by The Associated Press. Italian officials said that when they tried to appeal to Chinese authorities for help, they got nowhere.’
‘Once the money left Italy, it vanished behind China’s great legal firewall.’
‘Italian police had no way to track the flow of dirty money in China and no way to get the cash back to Italy’s depleted state coffers. The Bank of China, which is now under investigation in Italy for money laundering, denied wrongdoing, saying it has always complied with Italian regulations.’
‘A great legal firewall separates China from the West, despite the deep economic ties — both licit and illicit — that bind them. A combination of inconsistent cooperation, incompatible legal systems and China’s secrecy laws have allowed criminals to globalize more effectively than law enforcement — and made it harder for Western companies and courts to put them out of business.’
‘The legal firewall has also helped people who sell counterfeit goods use major, state-run Chinese banks as financial shelters on a significant scale, AP found in an article published in May. Counterfeiters have used the banks, including the Bank of China, to process credit card payments and move their money beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement. But Western companies that have pursued Chinese counterfeiters in the U.S., where many counterfeit goods are sold, have been blocked by China’s secrecy laws, which prohibit banks from freezing funds or releasing information on the order of a foreign court. The banks say they are caught in a jurisdictional dispute between the U.S. and China, which maintains that bank secrecy is a matter of national sovereignty.’
“Chinese financial institutions can effectively operate behind a firewall that keeps them largely immune from the jurisdiction of U.S. courts and regulatory agencies, leaving U.S. partners, competitors, and investors vulnerable,” said a May report from the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, which advises Congress.’
‘The consequences of that legal firewall are becoming more palpable as Chinese businesses go global. Chinese companies have invested $46 billion in the U.S. since 2000, most of it in the last five years, according to the Rhodium Group, a New York research firm. Chinese banks have expanded their reach, opening overseas branches and buying stakes in foreign banks. Chinese firms have voraciously tapped U.S. financial markets, with the 2014 IPO of e-commerce giant Alibaba ranked the largest in history.’
On this blog, many including myself identified this stuff as money-laundering years ago. Now in Australia they’ve discovered, ‘gosh, it’s money laundering!’ Even Canada is wising up:
‘Seventy-three percent of British Columbians think that a tax on absentee homeowners is a good idea, according to a new poll.’
‘The online survey of 825 people by Insights West found that only 17 percent of B.C. residents believe that such a tax is a bad idea.’
‘However, when the poll results are broken down by ethnicity, it shows that a higher percentage of people of East Asian descent suspect the public debate over foreign real-estate ownership in B.C. is grounded in racism.’
‘Among East Asians—the demographic most often portrayed as foreign real-estate investors—35 percent said they agree that the debate is “inherently racist”, while 55 percent disagreed.’
‘Meanwhile, 20 percent of South Asian respondents agreed and 71 percent disagreed.’
‘Among white respondents, 21 percent agreed and 74 percent disagreed (49 percent of them “strongly”) that the debate has racist overtones.’
I once spoke with an FBI agent who used to live near us about potential money laundering in San Diego through real estate investment. If he knew anything about its occurrence, he sure played his hand close to the vest!
What is the FBI going to do about it? Place China on their 10 Most Wanted Countries list?
They just busted a former congressman for moving money around against the rules. And I posted some information recently about the feds cooperating with China in tracking down corrupt money-launderers.
‘Once the money left Italy, it vanished behind China’s great legal firewall.’
The Great Legal Firewall of China?
“Chicago residents Joanna and Thomas Wala recently bought a three-bedroom home in Bonita Springs. They plan to use it occasionally for vacations, and eventually to make it their retirement place in the sun — even though they are both still in their 40s and not at all ready to retire. In the meantime, they are covering their expenses and even making a small profit by renting it out seasonally. ‘Moving here now was out of the question,’ said Joanna. ‘But I did the calculations, and buying just made so much sense. We have something that’s worth something, and its value is growing.’”
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Buying a retirement house when you’re in your 40s. Yeah, I believe that one. I’d love to see her lady’s calculations. The pythons will be living there before that couple will.
I’ve been to the Naples area, several times, and can’t figure out the appeal, unless your idea of the good life is living in a gated golf-course community with other late-middle-aged empty-nesters who paid $699,000. It’s like an upscale version of the “Depreston” song and video we talked about here yesterday. If you aren’t on antidepressants, you will be soon.
Naples has a charming downtown with overpriced shopping that old white people love. It’s not my cup of tea but I can at least see the appeal.
For me, I’d rather have a nice place in Okeechobee with a little pontoon boat. Nothing like going out on the rim canal with a few beers to go fishing and/or gator watching.
I don’t get down there often, but the counties around Lake Okeechobee remind me of the town from To Kill a Mockingbird: “a day was twenty-four hours long but seemed longer.”
‘no one is getting appraisals, and that’s pushing up prices dramatically fast’
What about next month? Will these purchases be used as comps?
No appraisal = no mortgage.
Not that we should ignore the mania that will cause people to overpay, but in a “normal” world, wouldn’t a purchase without the benefit of a low-interest rate mortgage be more indicative of value than a purchase with a low-interest rate mortgage helping?
Like the dotcom stocks bought with cash?
“Like the dotcom stocks bought with cash?”
Actually, pretty apt comparison. Why did dotcom stocks go up in price without the need for cheap debt? Because the demand for the stocks exceeded their supply in a big way.
- There is only one company that is going to magically deliver groceries to your door…Webvan–gotta buy it (vs many old-line grocers).
- There is only one company that will utilize the internet for digital payments…PayPal–gotta but it (vs. many old-line financial institutions).
Despite massive numbers of IPOs (that were in response to market demand), there were simply more people that wanted to buy the next “hot company” than there was availability. And it fed upon itself for a while.
For housing, where is the market response adding supply in the face of this demand?
I hear on this blog everyday that the increase in prices was due entirely to the Fed and low interest rates blowing the next bubble.
However, that narrative doesn’t explain cash buyers driving up prices.
You can’t have it both ways.
Are low interest rates the only reason home prices are going up (ie. Fed intervention)? Or is there something else ALSO at hand?
I have submitted over and over again that there is something else ALSO at hand:
1. We have underbuilt housing over the past 5 years;
2. Which when combined with low interest rates, is a situation that drives prices higher and higher;
3. Until there is a lot more development of homes;
4. Which then sets the stage for the next housing correction.
Some people are using low interest rates to justify buying at higher prices. Others are convincing themselves of paying higher prices with cash due to scarcity.
Both (perceived and real) scarcity AND low interest rates are contributing to the higher prices.
Following up on my prior post (yet to post as of this writing). Anyone with $100 and an E*Trade account could buy a dotcom (making that mania much easier to feed), it is a bit harder to have a pure mania in housing if you limit the universe to people who are paying cash.
Rental_Fraud
1. With tens of millions of excess empty and defaulted houses and population growth rate falling, there is no reason to build more houses.
2. Grossly inflated prices has resulted in demand falling to 20 year lows.
3. See #1
4. The housing correction has already begun.
“a day was twenty-four hours long but seemed longer.”
And it’s just the way I like it!
I hate whitie too
“Chicago residents Joanna and Thomas Wala recently bought a three-bedroom home in Bonita Springs. …… ‘But I did the calculations, and buying just made so much sense. We have something that’s worth something, and its value is growing.’”
What needs to be understood here is that these two most likely are city or state employees - buying in their forties is not uncommon with anticipated pension payout at say 55 years full retirement is what MANY from this hell hole do. Before I get blasted by those who would disagree, I am not averse to pensions - the deal is the public service payouts are disproportiionate to that in the private sector using Soc. Sec. as a metric. SS - most one can anticipate is in the mid 20k’s per year vs. pensions from the taxpayers in ILLANNOY - at 25 to 30 years of service payout is 75% of final two years salary which is many times falsely inflated for said purpose. In many cases this is in the high 5 figures per year - plus health care for life. Not sure of there is a COLA.
It looks peculiar to the rest of the nation but this is a normal walk in the park for this flea bitten cess pool.
The give away as to where these two most likely work - “We have something that is worth something and its value is growing”. For the normal schmoe this would be preposterous - value based on what exactly - but for the retired Chicago worker getting a pension - a value proposition is a nonconcern because they be gettin their pension for the remainder of their lives and livin large. Currently, I work as a consultant in the midst of a sea of AFSCME workers and this is the drum beat I hear all the time - “I can’t wait to move to outta here when I qualify for my full pension at ‘x’ years of age.”
‘The housing market in Southwest Florida has been red-hot for the past three years’
Buy high, sell higher.
Northern Winters have created a new flock of buyers for the SW area and the Florida Keys. I’ve been watching home taxes on Zillow. A house that has been lived in as a primary residence with $5500 taxes gets sold to a person using it as a second home and the taxes become $12,000. The local municipalities like this. It feeds the beast. It also buys sand for beaches being reclaimed by climate change that disappear again two years later.
A question, Ben.
With people living longer and r.e. taxes rising nearly nearly 3%/year in more affluent Florida areas, will aging owners be forced to move in twenty years regardless of what they want ? (Are you expected to manage your “investments at 80? Will everyone have the mental faculties for this ?)
I know some people getting up there in age, and every day their houses are a bigger unnecessary burden, even if paid off. This is an illiquid thing, and the next generations aren’t looking like they can afford it.
As for Ms. Wala, you are correct–per what appears to be her Linkedin page, she is employed by the State of Illinois as a revenue auditor.
Snake -
My take on them was just a guess but having been around this mentality for way too long it is easy to see.
Pensions were a good idea when people retired at 55 and died off by 70. That’s simply not the case.
If you want to keep public pensions you should have to stay in the state that pays you the pension. Too many New York and New Jersey cops put in their 20 years, pack it up and move to Florida just to keep working. Their home state doesn’t see any benefit from paying out that money.
Or they need to have honest math.
Don’t base the pension on the last three years of salary, base it on a blended average of their pay over their career.
There are too many people who work their way up the ladder, paying in at a rate consistent with each rung as they move up for their entire career, only to get their pension based on the top rung.
That math doesn’t work…and I haven’t even touched the crazy return assumptions.
Last I heard - this within the last year - Chicago actuaries and prognosticators are still going with 8% + annual return in their models.
This state is filled with broke a$$ losers who trust these bozos in the actuaries to give ‘em what they want to hear instead of the truth. The sad thing is with each passing day ILLANNOY gets broker and broker - more folks move out leaving the poors behind to pick up an increasing tax burden.
I have long been an advocate of flushing this place down the you know what but I pray they wait until I have my box packed and have the opportunity to drive across the Mississippi River before it happens!!
“Last I heard - this within the last year - Chicago actuaries and prognosticators are still going with 8% + annual return in their models.”
Sadly, in order to get returns back up to levels consistent with those questionable assumptions would require a massive asset price collapse, which would take down the value of the investments in pension funds. I don’t see any easy way out of this conundrum.
I am in my late 30s and planning on looking at retirement properties when this next downturn hits, probably around Rehoeboth DE, Ocean City MD or Virginia Beach. My inlaws still live in the McMansion neighborhood and seem miserable. No on entire age around, no public transportation for when they get older. We’d like to set ourselves up for a nice small condo by the water to enjoy our autumn years with services like transportation and bus lines still around.
One thing to consider with these bus towns is the employment factor. I was speaking to a bartender a few years ago who was in college. He was planning on going to OC, MD and spend the summer bar tending and working up there. He had a small number of friends who were going to do have same thing, and said he makes a fortune doing it. (And has a chance to meet young college girls and party and whatnot). These guys pay a high premium for short term rental for a few months and have the time of their lives. Then in the off season you rent it out to construction workers modding hotels and resturants and such. While it isn’t a strong business plan and you will lose a bit of money every year, it would be nice to plan now instead of 30 years from now when it’s too late.
The majority of your assumptions, and even what you want, will change in the next 30 years.
‘Despite the bull run, property stocks failed to keep pace with the high rising stock market indices. But the property market in Shanghai is really getting a boost due to the bullish stock run.’
‘Is it true that winners of the bullish stock run are fleeing to cash their gains into the property market? “I believe the housing price will surely go up. I will invest my stock gains into the property market for long term gains,” a stock trader said.’
‘But analysts are cautious over the housing price rise in Shanghai. Experts say the price surge in Shanghai’s property market is mainly due to an inflow of capital from the stock market. But that will not last long.’
‘Adding that the fundamentals of such cities like Shanghai have not changed much, a surge of housing prices in these cities should not be expected.’
‘Stephen Qin, a 28-year-old office worker in northern China, traveled 1,000 miles and set up an account in Hong Kong to trade Chinese stocks he could have bought at home.’
‘The money of thousands of mainland investors is doing a similar round trip, flowing into brokerages in Hong Kong and then returning to China via share purchases through the city’s stock connect with Shanghai.’
‘Why? It’s cheaper. Discounts on trading commissions, lower margin-finance charges — even reimbursement for airfares — make the city’s securities firms look like a bargain compared with those on the mainland. Chinese investors can also borrow higher amounts for trading than at home.’
“I’ve done my research and realized it’s quite a fantastic opportunity to trade stocks with a Hong Kong brokerage,” Qin, who lives in Jincheng in Shanxi province, said by phone.’
‘Recently he bought China Construction Bank Corp. and China Merchants Bank Co., and has invested 1 million yuan, including borrowed money, in A shares. “I can make more money if I can borrow more,” said Qin.’
“I can make more money if I can borrow more,”
1. Borrow money.
2. Buy stocks and houses.
3. ?
4. PROFIT!
The thing is, when your county has 1.3 billion people, there are likely to be hundreds of thousands of individuals, if not millions or tens of millions of individuals, behaving as recklessly as Mr. Qin. And their behavior indirectly, or occasionally directly, influences what we pay for houses.
Who was the poster here whose favorite figure of speech was somebody getting slapped with a mackerel across the face?
‘The prices of apartments in the biggest Red Sea port city of Jeddah experienced a four-fold rise in value in several months only.’
‘The rise comes after the Saudi Ministry of Housing , late last year, cut short a major financing program that would help potential home buyers pay for apartments ranging from 250 square meters to 180 square meters.’
‘The move led to a number of properties in populated districts across the oil-rich monarchy being sold at nearly $200,000 or roughly equal to four times the cost of building them.’
‘What was more worrying to home buyers was that officials, construction companies, and investors were blaming each other for the dramatic increase in prices.’
‘Nasir Basunbul, owner of a real estate development company told Al-Madina that the “market nature and the supply and demand rule govern the process of pricing. But, many apartments are way overpriced and simply are not worth their claimed value.”
‘Prices were not negotiable, said Ali al-Omarain, a citizen, from Jeddah , who called on the ministries of housing and commerce and industry to prevent a full-blown housing crisis.’
“You can’t negotiate, because owners assign the building doorman to tell you the price or assign a real estate agent who shocks you with unbelievable prices that reach SR900,000 for five-room apartments and SR500,000 for three-room ones. “It is greed and exploitation, while concerned bodies are taking no measures to stop it.”
Gotta love it, even the Saudi’s have a bubble that puts ours to shame.
has Yellen made a “mo free money” announcement yet?
the 10yr almost got way