June 15, 2015

Addicted To Something So Easy To Get

Macleans reports from Canada. “With all the rage, greed and animosity, the country’s already overheated housing market has hit yet another level—one where desperate, would-be buyers clamour, wild-eyed, for a slice of the action, while existing homeowners go to extreme lengths to protect their property nest eggs. Meanwhile, the rest of the world looks on and wonders: Has Canada gone crazy? ‘We’re seeing the bully offers take over, and it’s chaos,’ says David Fleming, a Toronto realtor, adding that he’s been involved in 20 bully-offer deals so far this year, about triple the number he saw last spring. ‘In theory, your offer has to be so incredible that [the seller] just has to take it.’”

“All it takes is one frustrated couple to bid $100,000 over asking on a property to turn a street of $500,000 homes into $600,000 ones. Toronto lawyer Michael Kril-Mascarin calls it the ’stupid premium,’ meaning how much extra buyers are willing to pay to get into the Toronto real estate market. ‘When people have lost a couple of places already, they’re at the point of ‘Screw it,’ says Kril-Mascarin, who’s lost his fair share of bidding wars, including one on a house with no kitchen and graffiti-covered walls that still drew 19 offers and a selling price of $601,000. ‘Banks are willing to lend, and money is cheap, so they’re offering crazy money, in my opinion.’”

The North Shore News. “A $4-million ‘teardown’ that sold for $1 million over asking price in West Vancouver this week is renewing debate about money flooding into the top tiers of the Lower Mainland’s real estate market and its ripple effect on affordability. The buyer, from mainland China, already owns a home in the Lower Mainland, and plans to tear the existing home down and rebuild on the lot, said Viv Harvey of Royal LePage Sussex, who represented the sellers in the deal. He hasn’t decided if he’s going to live in the house or resell it, she added.”

“While a deal like this is still unusual, it’s indicative of what’s going on in high-end real estate markets like West Vancouver. ‘It’s a market on steroids,’ said Harvey. ‘The market has gone a little crazy.’”

From CBC News. “Murad Ali and Arsheen Haji live large thanks to easy access to their home equity lines of credit, joining the many Canadians succumbing to the same temptation. The wedding, trips and high-end purchases were made possible with cash from two home equity lines of credit secured against a couple of investment condos the family owns. The debt from those loans now totals $370,000.”

“‘We are addicted for sure. Who wouldn’t be addicted to something so easy [to get]?’ says 35-year-old Ali about the free-flowing lines of credit that have enabled him to splurge on the finer things in life. ‘It’s easy, accessible cash at a very cheap price. The banks make it so easy for you to obtain it,’ says the Toronto-area software engineer. They’re still undecided about another loan. ‘If you get a line on this [house] and God forbid something happens to me or [my wife] and we are unable to sustain our lifestyle or stream of income that we have, then we would be in trouble and that may lead to us losing this house,’ says Ali.”

“And that’s why some rooms in the family’s home remain empty. Ali shows CBC News his large, mostly barren master bedroom and talks about his grand plans to furnish it — sometime in the future. ‘Without the credit line, it’s slow,’ he laments. But things could always change. The couple says just last week the bank called, inquiring if the family was interested in another loan.”

The Sherwood Park News. “While the projected housing starts for Edmonton and area are down, the resale market continues to be strong. Sherwood Park realtor Catherine Missiaen said she’s noticed that housing starts have been down. ‘I believe that people just don’t have a great deal of confidence in the market, even though the interest rate is really low,’ she said. ‘As well, the resell market is really booming — there’s so many new listings coming on at an unbelievable rate.’”

The Globe & Mail. “Home prices climbed in Canada in May for the fifth month in a row, though Calgary suffered the sharpest tumble in the history of the Teranet-National Bank house price index. Today’s reading of the index underscores what the Bank of Canada said yesterday is ‘apparent trifurcation’ of the country’s housing market.’This was because Calgary prices fell 3.3 per cent from April, the largest monthly drop recorded for that region, subtracting 0.3 percentage points from the gain of the composite index,’ senior economist Marc Pinsonneault said. ‘The monthly slide left Calgary prices the lowest since April of last year.’”

“Prices in Calgary are down 1.4 per cent from a year ago, and 5 per cent from their peak of last October. The decline in Calgary, Mr. Pinsonneault noted, was concentrated in houses rather than condominiums. ‘This is consistent with anecdotal evidence that, so far, Calgary’s market for high-end expensive homes has borne the brunt of the collapse in oil prices,’ he said.”

The Calgary Herald. “Royal LePage says Canada’s recreational property market is “flourishing,” except in Alberta where sales and prices are declining. In a report Thursday, it said the depressed energy sector is to blame for the slowdown in Alberta, some border areas of eastern British Columbia, and in Newfoundland. Ted Iverson, a sales representative at Royal LePage Network Realty Corp., said prices in Sylvan Lake have softened, which could present a buying opportunity for some.”

“‘I think we’ll have some good sales this year based on lower prices,’ he said. ‘It’s a chance for people to buy a property here who couldn’t previously afford to buy. Once the price of oil gets better, the market will improve.’”




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Comment by Mugsy
2015-06-15 03:26:51

“Murad Ali and Arsheen Haji live large thanks to easy access to their home equity lines of credit, joining the many Canadians succumbing to the same temptation.”

The great part about this is that these humble folks get to enjoy fruits beyond their wildest imagination and everything turns out perfectly fine. Nobody in Canada ever defaults. Enjoy the weddings!

Comment by cactus
2015-06-15 08:21:02

Nobody in Canada ever defaults.”

I don’t think you can? Not like in the US were they just walk away

 
 
Comment by taxpers
2015-06-15 03:57:17

Canada,Texas
Oil dosnt matter
I thought cn had rational lending rules

Zillow shows oil patch cities as flat

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-06-15 07:59:07

Nope. Prices sinking in Dallas suburbs.

Plano, TX Housing Prices Fall 17%

http://www.movoto.com/plano-tx/market-trends/

 
 
Comment by Combotechie
2015-06-15 04:14:24

“All it takes is one frustrated couple to bid $100,000 over asking on a property to turn a street of $500,000 homes into $600,000 ones.”

The equity! Think of the equity!

Presto! A $100,000 jump in prices creates $100,000 of Equity! And all because of the action of one (possibly demented) stranger!

The Age of Miracles is at hand!

Equity! The word that takes the “un” out of the word “unaffordable”, takes it out of the word “unpossible”.

Yes! David Lereah lives!

Comment by Combotechie
2015-06-15 04:25:28

“The wedding, trips and high-end purchases were made possible with cash from two home equity lines of credit secured against a couple of investment condos the family owns. The debt from those loans now totals $370,000.”

The economy! The economy must be booming! The miracle of rising equity translates to spending - spending as there is no tomorrow!

“‘We are addicted for sure. Who wouldn’t be addicted to something so easy [to get]?’ says 35-year-old Ali about the free-flowing lines of credit that have enabled him to splurge on the finer things in life. ‘It’s easy, accessible cash at a very cheap price. The banks make it so easy for you to obtain it.’”

The genius of David Lereah will ripple through the world economy and it will save us all.

Comment by Combotechie
2015-06-15 04:49:25

The Borrowed Money Economy, solid as a rock!

Perpetual and enduring. Forever and ever.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2015-06-15 06:07:58

Live the high life on borrowed money, then haul azz back to the old country when the SHTF. Such a deal

 
Comment by snake charmer
2015-06-15 07:26:16

The stories from Canada are starting to rival those from this country during the summer of 2005. The combination of greed, the refusal to learn from mistakes, and all-out, numbing political failure is extraordinary. Sometimes when you think you’re flying, you’re actually falling. Except in Canada, of course.

Comment by Puggs
2015-06-15 10:48:51

True. Well put.

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Comment by Dman
2015-06-15 05:36:45

How many years before the Canadian banking system is toast? What will Canada do when it’s entire population has been foreclosed on, and the only people with jobs are debt collectors?

Comment by rms
2015-06-15 23:55:26

Janet?

 
Comment by doom
2015-06-16 14:10:59

I hate to say it but so many of our friends to the North came down and acted like they were the holy grail of RE investing. In the long run those very overinflated homes and economy in Canada will come back to hunt them for years, will Uncle Sam come to there rescue, when the deck of cards fall hard?

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2015-06-15 06:29:47

Chinese buyers overpay, because their goal isnt home ovnership, but a means to get Cash out of China, and a leverage to become residents/citizens.

Which brings me to my brainstorm.

Cut out the red tape, middlemen and Kabuki Theater. Let US Americans sell their citzenship to the highest bidder.

It doesn’t require you to leave (hell, you can’t even get illegals deported). Doesn’t mean your kids aren’t citizens.

All it really means is you (supposedly) can’t vote, and you probably can’t get a security clearance.

Comment by snake charmer
2015-06-15 07:29:20

We’re trying to convert everything to money just as fast as we can.

 
Comment by cactus
2015-06-15 08:25:54

New estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau put China in the lead with 1.34 billion residents, followed by India with 1.19 billion. The United States is a distant third with 311.1 million people.”

Comment by doom
2015-06-16 14:15:08

Yes and cactus remember America is till a young pup country compared to most others. They talk in terms of B.C. early A.D. we talk in terms before sub-prime.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2015-06-15 08:49:34

Cut out the red tape, middlemen and Kabuki Theater. Let US Americans sell their citzenship to the highest bidder.

One thing though, is that for most Americans, it would leave them “stateless” meaning they could not procure a passport for travel outside the USA. Sure, the Green Card or whatever ex citizens would receive upon selling their citizenship would get them back into the US, the trick is getting out as few countries will grant you entry without a passport.

Comment by In Colorado
2015-06-15 08:53:24

Then again, 2/3 of Americans never obtain a passport, so perhaps the question is moot. I could see Lucky Duckies being tempted to sell their citizenship for some six figure amount, though if enough of them sell, they wouldn’t get that much.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-06-15 08:37:18

Charleston, SC Housing Prices Fall 8%

http://www.movoto.com/charleston-sc/market-trends/

 
Comment by Puggs
2015-06-15 10:23:12

“All it takes is one frustrated couple to bid $100,000 over asking on a property to turn a street of $500,000 homes into $600,000 ones. Toronto lawyer Michael Kril-Mascarin calls it the ’stupid premium,’ meaning how much extra buyers are willing to pay to get into the Toronto real estate market.”

It’s actually called “Stupid Tax” after the cards have collapsed and people or a nation goes Bankrupt.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-06-15 11:53:28

At what price point did stupid start?

Around $80k.

Comment by rms
2015-06-15 23:57:29

Around $80k.

Yep, that’s about 1996, IIRC.

 
 
 
Comment by Puggs
2015-06-15 10:28:06

“And that’s why some rooms in the family’s home remain empty. Ali shows CBC News his large, mostly barren master bedroom and talks about his grand plans to furnish it — sometime in the future. ‘Without the credit line, it’s slow,’ he laments. But things could always change. The couple says just last week the bank called, inquiring if the family was interested in another loan.”

The above sounds like a comedy sketch paragraph someone would make up on this blog. Actually, the entire Mcleans report sounds like one.

Comment by Blue Skye
2015-06-15 12:05:12

I’ve seen this for at least 20 years. Two DINKs buy all the house they can get into, furniture is optional.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2015-06-15 12:10:47

Another parallel to the U.S., circa 2005: I remember reading about houses that the owners — having devoted the majority of their disposable incomes to the mortgage — could not afford to furnish.

With a shared border and a common language, it’s not like our bubble experience should have been a great opaque inscrutable mystery to Canadians. Yet they are determined to follow in our footsteps, aided by fugitive Chinese money.

 
 
Comment by rj chicago
2015-06-15 11:44:55

One thing I have noticed of late is there are at least two Canadian homebuilders now in the Denver area - Cardel and Brookfield. Are they running out of options in the Canadian market?
Just sayin.

Comment by rosie from the north
2015-06-15 12:35:17

Mattamy Homes is coming to. They’re huge around Toronto. Seeking new markets makes sense when the old market is saturated and deep in debt.

Comment by rj chicago
2015-06-15 13:28:55

Never heard of them. Any others out there from foreign lands looking to fill their pockets before the whole of the housing market in ….name your market….goes up in smoke?

Comment by doom
2015-06-16 14:22:13

Only foreign house builder coming to America from Italy soon.

It is called REH.LLC, which translate to Roman Empire Homes. Long Live Collapses?

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-06-15 12:47:04

CRATER

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2015-06-15 16:44:24

Boca Raton, FL Housing Prices Fall 4%

http://www.movoto.com/boca-raton-fl/market-trends/

 
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