A Natural Big Lie
The Globe and Mail reports from Canada. “Emma Co has been a real estate agent for several years in Vancouver, but she’s never seen the market so fired up, particularly on the city’s east side. ‘I can’t believe this market,” she said. ‘I was talking to one realtor, and she said, ‘where is this going?’ Local buyers are either panicking to get into the market to settle down, or they’re investors looking for a deal, Ms. Co says. ‘They want to buy because the interest rates are very low, and they are panicking because the market keeps going up.’”
“As agent Keith Roy says: ‘Every month this year, the value of the detached home has gone up. The attitude of sellers right now is, ‘Why sell now when my house is going to be worth more next month?’”
“Perhaps a sign of an already cooling market is the recent sale of a Kitsilano house for well below asking. The two-storey renovated house on a 40-by-105-foot lot at 2765 W. 8th Ave. was listed at $1.799-million and sold for $1.580-million after 34 days on the market. ‘It’s still active, no question, but I don’t think you see the same activity we experienced about six weeks ago,’ says agent Christopher Rivers, who sold a house down the street for $1.569-million.”
“As to whether the frenzy will continue, Mr. Roy, the agent, believes the market has plateaued and could go either way. ‘Expectations keep going up, but at some point, that changes. Over the long term, your house will be worth more than it is today. But there’s going to be one day when your home is worth less than it was the day before.’”
The Vancouver Sun. “‘Data!’ cry Vancouver’s beleaguered house poor. ‘Give us data!’ Their shouting has yet to pierce the stone-deaf resolve of our senior governments’ refusal to do so. In the meantime, the debate on the effect of offshore investment on the Metro Vancouver house prices festers in a stew of anecdote and urban folklore. As their excuses pile up about the difficulty of gathering data, or that the effect of offshore investment is negligible, or that rising house prices are the fault of municipal governments, they have begun to look not just feckless but complicit.”
“A team of Credit Suisse research analysts published reports on Chinese investment into Australian residential property last year and this. This year’s report ‘bemoaned the poor data quality in Australia,’ they still believed it to be ‘the best in the world’ of its type. ‘For example,’ the report stated, ‘in New Zealand, where Chinese demand for housing is reputed to be strong, there isn’t a body even attempting to record these flows.’ (Nor for that matter, they could have added, is there such a body in Canada.)”
From CanIndia. “A Manulife Bank of Canada survey reveals that 15 per cent of mortgage holders would face a financial crisis if rates rose or they got downsized. Most analysts now believe interest rates will rise this year. Nearly half said they couldn’t manage a 10 per cent increase in their mortgage payment. Faced with loss of employment by the major breadwinner, most respondents to the survey said they had a very limited financial cushion. About 16 per cent said they’d be in trouble within a month and a total of 43 per cent said they’d have difficulty within three months if someone in the household lost a job.”
“An interest rate hike would prompt thousands of investors to put their investment properties on the market or move into a cheaper living unit. This would result in a housing glut which would cause what many expect- a correction in the real estate market.”
The Calgary Herald. “Calgary region home prices declined for a second consecutive month in April. Statistics Canada’s New Housing Price Index for the Calgary census metropolitan area fell by 0.4 per cent from March, it said. ‘Some builders reduced their prices to stimulate sales, while others reported lower negotiated selling prices in April,’ said the federal agency.”
“Wayne Copeland, president of the Canadian Home Builders’ Association-Calgary region, said local builders are adding incentives trying to entice people to buy new homes. ‘They’re starting to offer some sort of a discount and we’ve got buyers out there that are responding to that. A lot of builders are offering incentives rather than lowering prices; adding extras and upgrades,’ he said. ‘The cost of land is too valuable to be taking a hit on it. Labour costs are coming in a little bit lower now. Builders have gone out and asked for discounts on that type of thing.’”
Fort McMurray Today. “A weak labour market caused by low oil prices is causing a sharp increase of rental vacancy rates in the region. According to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s rental market survey, the vacancy rate in Wood Buffalo in April stood at 22.3%, up from 7% at the same time last year. CMHC market analyst Braden Batch said that the labour market is affecting rents.”
“‘The sources of demand in the rental market have certainly pulled back in the last survey period,’ Batch said. ‘I would largely attribute that to the labour market in Wood Buffalo being quite a bit weaker than what we saw in April last year.’”
“Batch cited Statistics Canada’s newest Labour Market Survey, released June 5 as showing a 2% decline in full-time employment in the Wood Buffalo region. The survey also said that the unemployment rate in the region had risen to 8.6% in a three-month period ending May, compared to 4.2% at the same time last year. ‘Nobody’s surprised by saying anymore that the price of oil has declined considerably,’ he said. ‘Some people in that market are there solely for work … and if the work is dried up they may be leaving the town.’”
“The high vacancy rates and rent were similar in the Cold Lake area, which showed a vacancy rate of 29.3% and average two-bedroom rent of $1,433. The average two-bedroom rent in the province is $1,249.”
From Macleans. “You have to give Bank of Canada governor Stephen Poloz credit. On the question of Canada’s frothy housing market and sky-high household debt levels, he’s been nothing if not consistent. Pretty much from his first statements as governor in 2013—that’s about $100,000 ago in real estate appreciation terms—through to last week when the bank released its latest financial system review, Poloz has walked a tightrope between admitting that elevated house prices and debt levels pose a risk to the economy, and assuring Canadians that the likelihood of a crash is actually pretty low.”
“In early 2004, as American house prices roared higher and there came dire warnings from some quarters about the existence of a bubble—accompanied, of course, by strident denials from banks, most economists and the mortgage and real estate industries—Ben Bernanke (then still a governor before he became Fed chairman) addressed the problem of what to tell the American people. ‘One’s inclination is to answer by painting a benign picture so as not to cause unnecessary public concern,’ he said during one March meeting. ‘On the other hand, financial conditions do change, and it’s our collective responsibility both to monitor those changes and to communicate truthfully to the public what we see.’”
“To paraphrase, don’t freak people out, but be honest if the situation turns bad. It was a moot point, however, because as the transcripts from 2004 to when housing prices started to drop in 2006 show, it was unfathomable to those in the room that a deep and long-lasting housing crash could actually occur.”
“Last year the economist Paul Krugman offered one of the best explanations I’ve seen yet as to why bubbles are so hard to spot, until they pop. A thoroughly inflated bubble, he offered, is ‘a natural big lie—that is, a lie so audacious nobody will believe that anyone would dare to invent it.’ Like, for instance, the notion that bungalows in Toronto and Vancouver can regularly and briskly sell for well over $1 million in a nation where the inflation-adjusted median incomes for individuals are more or less where they were at four decades ago.”
“Poloz may truly believe that, but you’ll probably never know either way.”
“Local buyers are either panicking to get into the market to settle down, or they’re investors looking for a deal, Ms. Co says. ‘They want to buy because the interest rates are very low, and they are panicking because the market keeps going up.’”
Do the central bankers who are responsible for ultra-low interest rates consider this rate-induced panic to buy houses a healthy sign their policies are working?
Anytime somebody is “panicking” to buy a house, there is something extremely wrong.
Economic Terrorism
I am sure they would say it’s “transitory”
Check this out:
“The Globe and Mail reports from Canada. “Emma Co has been a real estate agent for several years in Vancouver, but she’s never seen the market so fired up, particularly on the city’s east side. ‘I can’t believe this market,” she said. ‘I was talking to one realtor, and she said, ‘where is this going?’ Local buyers are either panicking to get into the market to settle down, or they’re investors looking for a deal, Ms. Co says. ‘They want to buy because the interest rates are very low, and they are panicking because the market keeps going up.’”
This represents the demand side, and the demand side shows lots and lots of buying interest. Now let’s take a look at the supply side:
“As agent Keith Roy says: ‘Every month this year, the value of the detached home has gone up. The attitude of sellers right now is, ‘Why sell now when my house is going to be worth more next month?’”
So what we have here is lots and lots of potential buyers and very few sellers. And this is driven by …
(ta da)
The price rise, the rise in prices, the rate of change in prices (not to be confused with the prices themselves).
Which means that if (when?) prices stop rising then there will be a major shift involving what currently drives the demand and what currently drives the supply - meaning the buyers will no longer be panicked into buying and the sellers will no longer be holding out for higher prices.
And this is when the fun begins.
Really smart people would do anything to become “house-poor”, or worse.
Percentage of income devoted to house expenses:
25 = house responsible
35 = house unfortunate
40 = house poor
50 = house indigent
60 = house destitute
70 = house wretched
80 = Fang nu
Good thing oil is of no consequence in canaduh
‘the notion that bungalows in Toronto and Vancouver can regularly and briskly sell for well over $1 million in a nation where the inflation-adjusted median incomes for individuals are more or less where they were at four decades ago’
It’s really strange. The consensus in Canada (and Australia) is that they never had a housing bubble. The big blowup was caused by subprime lending in the US. I never thought that the bubble could be separated from prices, but the PTB have pulled it off. Recently we had a little cross posting with the Seattle bubble blog, where that writer scoffed at the idea that prices were the bubble. Oh no, it was the loans! Never mind that most foreclosures were prime loans.
‘Nearly half said they couldn’t manage a 10 per cent increase in their mortgage payment. Faced with loss of employment by the major breadwinner, most respondents to the survey said they had a very limited financial cushion. About 16 per cent said they’d be in trouble within a month and a total of 43 per cent said they’d have difficulty within three months if someone in the household lost a job’
Canada is so screwed.
Screwed six ways from Sunday.
House prices 7 x income.
Commodities bust.
Exchange rate shock.
Three year mortgages.
Recently we had a little cross posting with the Seattle bubble blog, where that writer scoffed at the idea that prices were the bubble. Oh no, it was the loans! Never mind that most foreclosures were prime loans.
Ben, I don’t think it was either the loans or the prices—a bubble is in the mindset. We clearly had bubble-mentality back in 2005/2006. And from what I can tell, we have it again today already, either that or we never managed to shake it in the first place (thanks to the Fed).
Sure, loans with zero underwriting were a great demonstration of bubble-belief; and the loans did enable a certain segment of buyers to join in on the mania. But the manic-thinking was among ALL the buyers, not just that particular sub-prime segment.
Contrast that with today’s Treasury market, where the prices/yields seem ridiculous; however, I hesitate to think of it as a real bubble, as I think people are buying them out of fear rather than greed (and not the “fear of missing out” that you see in a bubble).
Fear of what’s not real. Greed for what’s not real. Mania just the same.
“we never managed to shake it in the first place”
I think that people wake up, crash and burn or have their epiphany one at a time and shaking out a crowd mania is like bouncing down a flight of stairs. Some get off each time, some not.
I’ve been of the opinion that it’s the same bubble. Most people didn’t get spanked hard enough. Those that did were told they were victims, not foolish gamblers. There’s been no collective or academic acknowledgment of what a financial mania even is. Sure, here and there, but not much.
Yesterday I was driving and I listened to this infomercial. It was an hour of how to flip. (They would sell you the turn-key houses of course). Details on how to leverage up, use your retirement money, 70-100% returns per year.
The Australian (and to a lesser extent Canadian) political debate about housing bubbles is interesting. It’s almost like a taboo subject, accidentally dragged into the open. The politicians tip pie-toe around the details like they’re afraid of embarrassing people or offending them. But if you read the comments to some of these articles, the average Joe has already thought it out in detail. Now that we’re at the point of physical protests in British Columbia, maybe politicians and bankers will be forced to face this growing debacle.
I live in Vancouver and things have just been insane in terms of people buying real estate for so many years, it’s the new norm. Everyone is in complete denial that rates will rise, and thus, their mortgage payment will be higher when they renew (in Canada it’s typical to renew every 5 years, we can’t lock in for 30 years like the US). I can’t believe the insanity, I had a chat with my banker about real estate (a mortgage guy). He said the same thing: his clients who are right on the edge of his lending ratios are desperate to get into the market. He asks them “What will you do when rates are higher, where will the money come from, will your salary be 10% higher?” They don’t care, they just want in NOW. Also, nobody believes that real estate will ever go down, especially in Vancouver because “everyone wants to live here.” Ha.
“You have to give Bank of Canada governor Stephen Poloz credit. On the question of Canada’s frothy housing market and sky-high household debt levels, he’s been nothing if not consistent. Pretty much from his first statements as governor in 2013—that’s about $100,000 ago in real estate appreciation terms—through to last week when the bank released its latest financial system review, Poloz has walked a tightrope between admitting that elevated house prices and debt levels pose a risk to the economy, and assuring Canadians that the likelihood of a crash is actually pretty low.”
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No, I don’t have to give Mr. Poloz credit. This isn’t international diplomacy. Why should anyone with his responsibilities get credit for “walking a tightrope” between the truth and a lie?
‘A report by RBC Economics says housing affordability continued to decline in Toronto and Vancouver, while conditions for homebuyers improved in Alberta during the first quarter of the year as lower oil prices caused the real estate market to soften. The RBC Housing Affordability study measures the proportion of household income that is needed to service the costs of owning a home at current market values.’
‘On a national level, RBC says affordability edged 0.3 percentage points lower for condos to 27.1 per cent, while for detached homes it declined 0.2 percentage points to 47.9 per cent.’
‘The bank predicts that rate hikes from the central bank, which is expected to raise its trend-setting overnight interest rate next year, are likely to erode affordability. “Exceptionally low interest rates have been a key factor keeping housing affordability levels in a largely manageable state in recent years,” Craig Wright, RBC’s senior vice-president and chief economist, said in a statement. “The knock-on effect of the anticipated rise in rates would be most visible in high-priced markets.”
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5689418-want-to-own-a-home-in-canada-it-s-going-to-cost-almost-half-your-income/
‘Today, Zhang Yong has become a survivor, his trapped developer friends struggling to survive, are “riding the tiger” with projects: if construction continues, certainly dead, if you do not build, also dead. Even more sad is that the local government refuses to let home prices fall, otherwise it’ll be unable to sell land and thus unable to repay debt.’
“Although I do not know how many Chinese real estate developers have jumped [off a building], but I think a lot of owners have considered it.” Zhang said. These real estate companies are either overwhelmed when the high interest payment crisis appears, or the homes don’t sell, are insolvent.’
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/06/real-estate-crash-spreads-in-lower-chinese-cities/
Shanshui Bonds Tumble to Record Low on Default Risk Amid Row
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-22/shanshui-bonds-tumble-to-record-low-on-default-risk-amid-rift
‘The tide is going to go out, and there’s going to be a lot of people without their swimming trunks on,” strategist Ewen Cameron Watt of BlackRock told Bloomberg Television, borrowing from Buffett’s observation about investors caught swimming naked when markets get shaky.’
‘Considering the sudden wave of sell orders in Shanghai and Shenzhen, we’re about to witness a surge of investors caught skinny dipping. The math behind Chinese stock markets’ more than $6 trillion surge over the past 12 months makes less sense by the day. Shares on mainland exchanges are trading at an average of about 256 times reported earnings, making China’s market mania of 2007 look rational by comparison.’
‘The question is, can Beijing put a bottom under history’s biggest equity bubble? As JPMorgan strategist Adrian Mowat sees it, “policy makers will step in if the market correction gets beyond a comfortable level. I would imagine if the correction continues [this] week you will hear something reassuring.” He’s not necessarily wrong for the moment. China will indeed throw everything it has at the market: central bank rate cuts, tweaking margin-trading rules, slowing the pace of initial public offerings, talking up share prices, you name it.’
‘What is wrong, though, is the belief that China can prevent the crash of a market already defying the most wildly optimistic of economic scenarios. Beijing can’t do it anymore than Tokyo could in 1990, Seoul in 1997 or Washington in 2008.’
‘China is reaching the limits of its ability to prolong a rally that turned 928 days old Friday. Beijing has encouraged companies to pursue splashy IPOs in order to sustain the excitement on stock markets, and lure Chinese households to open trading accounts. The thought is that if average Chinese feel wealthy, they’ll buy into Xi’s vision of a “China Dream” and the legitimacy of the Communist Party.’
‘But the market bubble has grown to unsustainable proportions. The median stock, for instance, has a price-to-earnings ratio of 98, while the Shanghai Composite, which has a heavy weighting toward low-priced bank shares, is valued at 23 times. The reason bank shares are so depressed, of course, is China’s dueling bubble in debt. China has $28 trillion of public and private debt; then there’s the unprecedented $363 billion of margin debt that’s supporting shares.’
‘It doesn’t help that China’s economic fundamentals have turned for the worse. As Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Kenneth Hoffman detailed in a report Friday, Chinese demand for steel is collapsing. On June 18, Bloomberg’s steel profitability lost $37 per metric ton, hitting a record low. Chinese manufacturing activity, Hoffman wrote, could be in for a “major decline,” even if Beijing ramps up its stimulus programs.’
‘That may explain the breadth of last week’s sell-off. Among 10 industry groups in the CSI 300 Index of the biggest Chinese shares, technology, phone and industrial companies plunged most - at least 15 percent. The ChiNext Index of small-cap stocks slumped 5.4 percent on Friday alone, extending losses to 17 percent since a record high on June 3.’
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3005734&cloc=etc|jad|googlenews
That sounds like “soaring” to me.
“a natural big lie—that is, a lie so audacious nobody will believe that anyone would dare to invent it”
The bozo actually said this and wraps it up with a little banker buddy defense. Krugman… noble prize winner.
“And so it was very difficult, even once the bubble began popping, for Fed officials (and others) to wrap their minds both around the scale of the housing bust and the financial implications of that bust.”
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/natural-big-lies/?_r=0
I don’t know why the international media turns to Krugman so much about bubbles. He once said the US should start one. Later he was asked about it and said he was joking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1KFVRKOOmM
NY Times Columnist + Nobel Price = Expert on everything that ever related to money in any way.
crushing.housing.losses.
Los Angeles, CA Housing Inventory Skyrockets 63% As Prices Fall
http://www.movoto.com/los-angeles-ca/market-trends/
“Recently we had a little cross posting with the Seattle bubble blog, where that writer scoffed at the idea that prices were the bubble. Oh no, it was the loans! Never mind that most foreclosures were prime loans.”
Whooops….
Seattle, WA Housing Prices Fall 11%
http://www.zillow.com/seattle-wa-98121/home-values/
Whoops is right . . . using Zillow again, shame shame . . .
Refute the data.