FXStreet (Mumbai) - Asian indices has an upbeat start to the week, with Japanese shares leading gains on weaker yen following a contraction in Japan’s Q2 GDP figures, preliminary estimates showed. While investors’ sentiment remained boosted amid stabilizing fx markets as the latest PBOC yuan fix had no major impact.
China yuan fixing stood firmer for the second day on Monday at 6.3969 versus 6.3918 Friday.
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Asian shares dragged down by volatile China stocks; dollar edges up
By Reuters | 17 Aug, 2015, 12.47PM IST
TOKYO: Asian stocks were dragged lower by volatile Chinese equities on Monday, as relative stability in the yuan failed to assuage underlying concerns that Beijing may push its currency further down after last week’s surprise devaluation.
In Europe, however, markets look set to take their cues from Friday’s modest gains on Wall Street. Spreadbetters forecast a higher open for Britain’s FTSE, Germany’s DAX and France’s CAC.
MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan fell 0.8 per cent.
The index added to last week’s loss of 2.6 per cent suffered after Beijing devalued the yuan, buffeting global financial markets and fanning concerns about China’s economy.
The yuan fell more than 4 per cent at one point, pulling down riskier assets such as emerging currencies globally amid fears the devaluation would spark a global currency war, but financial markets began stabilising towards the end of last week as China slowed the pace of the currency’s drop.
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Chinese stocks recouped early losses on Monday but gains were capped by fears that Beijing would let the yuan depreciate further, despite statements from the central bank last week that it sees no reason for more declines.
After ending morning trade in the red, the Shanghai Composite Index closed up 0.7 percent at 3,994.37 points, its third consecutive session of gains.
The CSI300 index of the largest listed companies in Shanghai and Shenzhen closed up 0.1 percent at 4,077.87.
“We believe the renminbi will still face further depreciation pressure as the weak economic environment warrants further monetary easing measures, while the U.S. interest rate hike is likely to come as soon as next month,” Alex Fan, a research director at GF Securities wrote in a research note.
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Chinese stocks fell, with a gauge of shares in Hong Kong retreating to an eight-month low, as foreigners pulled funds amid concern about the weaker outlook for the yuan and economic growth.
The Hang Seng China Enterprises Index dropped 0.9 percent to 10,962.24 at the close. Net outflows from Chinese and Hong Kong equities reached $531 million in the week to Aug. 12, the ninth week of sales out of the past 10, China International Capital Corp. said. Ping An Insurance (Group) Co. led losses by insurers as the government seeks to contain the fallout from blasts in Tianjin port. Airlines jumped in mainland trading, spurring a late-day rebound for the Shanghai Composite Index.
The yuan sank the most in 21 years last week after the government allowed markets greater sway in setting the currency’s level. China’s industrial production, investment and retail data all trailed analysts’ estimates, according to data released this month. The securities regulator signaled on Friday China Securities Finance Corp. will reduce the scale of its intervention in the stock market. The fund has become one of the most influential investors since a $4 trillion rout.
“Investors expect the depreciation of the yuan to continue,” said Sam Chi Yung, a strategist at Delta Asia Securities Ltd. in Hong Kong. A weaker currency would make Chinese assets less attractive to foreigners, he said, while any withdrawal by the government from the market would further “frighten” investors.
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Oil slipped further into negative territory in Asian trade on Monday as the market remained under selling pressure, with U.S. oil prices dropping below the $42 a barrel mark.
On the New York Mercantile Exchange, light, sweet crude futures for delivery in September CLU5, -1.60% traded at $41.88 a barrel, down $0.62 in the Globex electronic session. October Brent crude LCOV5, -1.12% on London’s ICE Futures exchange fell $0.64 to $48.55 a barrel.
“We have concerns about crude fundamentals and prices in [the second half of 2015] and 2016,” Morgan Stanley said in its weekly report.
The bank warned that oil demand is already near peak seasonal levels and will fall in the coming weeks as summer demand wanes. Moreover, oil production from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries has grown significantly this year, and the U.S. dollar is expected to strengthen further, weighing on oil prices. Financial markets will be watching U.S. FOMC minutes this week, keeping currency markets volatile.
“Supply-side news continues to dominate the market. OPEC is expected to boost crude oil production to 33 million barrels a day, the most ever, after international sanctions are removed against Iran,” ANZ Bank said.
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‘Short of cash and unsettled in their careers, young Americans are waiting longer than ever to buy their first homes. The typical first-timer now rents for six years before buying a home, up from 2.6 years in the early 1970s, according to Zillow. The delay reflects a trend that cuts to the heart of the financial challenges facing millennials: Renters are struggling to save for down payments. Increasingly, too, they’re facing delays in some key landmarks of adulthood, from marriage and children to a stable career, according to industry and government reports.’
‘These shifts help explain why homeownership, long a source of middle class identity and economic opportunity, has started to decline. The share of the U.S. population who own homes has slid to 63.4 percent, a 48-year low, according to the Census Bureau.’
‘And when young adults do sign the deed, their purchase price is now substantially more, relative to their income, than it was decades ago. First-time buyers are paying a median price of $140,238, nearly 2.6 times their income. In the early 1970s, the starter home was just 1.7 times income.’
Waiting 6 years and it aint 6 years saving a down payment because those aren’t really required anymore. In that context the figures look even worse.
Simply put the price of houses is too expensive for what people can afford to pay. People live in houses they could not afford to buy. That is unsustainable.
“And when young adults do sign the deed, their purchase price is now substantially more, relative to their income, than it was decades ago. First-time buyers are paying a median price of $140,238, nearly 2.6 times their income. In the early 1970s, the starter home was just 1.7 times income.”
“… their purchase price is now substantially more, relative to their income …”
And this is because houses have become more “affordable” - affordable not as defined by the price but as defined by monthly payments. If the monthly payments are low enough then the price that these monthly payments are associated with can be quite high.
And high prices for houses are seen by many, are seen by the majority of people - are seen by the 63.4 percent of homeowners - as being a “good thing” because these high prices represent “wealth”.
Wealth as represented by prices, prices that are supported by monthly payments, monthly payments that are associated with debt - lots of debt.
Which means … this “wealth” - this illusion of wealth - is directly attached to debt - lots of debt, debt that must be incurred by somebody else - strangers - in supporting the comps if one’s own wealth is to be maintained.
Current asking prices of resale housing is 2x long term trend price and 3x construction costs(lot, labor, materials and profit) irrespective of location.
“And high prices for houses are seen by many, are seen by the majority of people - are seen by the 63.4 percent of homeowners - as being a “good thing” because these high prices represent ‘wealth’.”
To take this one step further …
It is not just the high prices that are seen as a “good thing”, it is THE RISING of these high prices that is seen as a good thing. The higher the price rise the better it is for everybody because rising prices - never-ending rising prices - translate into rising wealth - never-ending rising wealth - that can translate into rising spending - never-ending rising spending - that can lift the economy into prosperity - never-ending prosperity.
1. Rising taxes on transactions (i.e. sales taxes), and
2. Rising taxes on rising wealth (rising taxes on rising property values).
So everybody - including governments - love rising prices.
Comment by Combotechie
2015-08-17 07:02:41
BTW, property tax is probably the only tax there is on wealth, the only wealth tax. There may be others but I cannot think of what they may be.
Comment by Combotechie
2015-08-17 07:04:31
Okay, maybe an inheritance tax, but that would be a one-time tax while a property tax is a tax that endures.
Comment by 2banana
2015-08-17 07:56:00
So let me see if I understand your liberal logic.
I buy an overpriced crap shack for $500,000 with a liar’s loan for $499,000.
The public union goons demand I pay $25,000/year in property taxes to fund their insane pensions.
And this is a tax on wealth?
Sounds more like slavery.
Comment by scdave
2015-08-17 08:25:57
maybe an inheritance tax ??
The mega wealthy don’t pay a dime of Inheritance tax…They create Non-Profit Foundations with their wealth….Give there kids 1 mil a year jobs with every possible perk from houses to helicopters…With a exemption of 10-mil + for couples the measly little-rich don’t pay either…So, the inheritance tax does not get the little rich or the big rich it gets the middle rich…
Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 09:50:09
“So, the inheritance tax does not get the little rich or the big rich it gets the middle rich…”
Exactly, when it’s the big rich who should be paying the most, because they have most of the money. The purpose of an inheritance tax is to stop the formation of a privileged class, but the privileged class has trained enough sheeple to call it a “death tax” that they don’t have to worry about paying more than a token when they pass off their fortune to the next generation of takers.
“‘Short of cash and unsettled in their careers, young Americans are waiting longer than ever to buy their first homes. The typical first-timer now rents for six years before buying a home, up from 2.6 years in the early 1970s, according to Zillow. The delay reflects a trend that cuts to the heart of the financial challenges facing millennials: Renters are struggling to save for down payments. Increasingly, too, they’re facing delays in some key landmarks of adulthood, from marriage and children to a stable career, according to industry and government reports.’”
And people wonder why the birth rate is falling. There are a lot of factors involved in that coming problem, however, one of the biggest is the hurdles now involved in making it to the typical landmarks of adulthood. Make housing massively expensive, people buy houses later. Make houses crazy priced per sq/ft, people buy smaller houses. Both of which lead to fewer children being born.
Much of the “Peter Pan” generation (they won’t grow up and move out, won’t get married/have kids) hand wringing that we see today in magazines is really a result of moving the bar so far out for what it takes to join the ranks of the middle class. And, of course, the raising expectation of what “middle class” living is.
Isn’t it great that we have bigger and bigger government to “help” with:
Higher Education Costs
Medical Costs
Housing Costs
It is so much better than the bad old days when banks had to eat bad loans and colleges and hospitals could only charge what people could afford in a competitive market place…
How has his military “help” worked out in Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq so far?
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Comment by Goon
2015-08-17 07:25:46
Your buttboy Scott Walker (who promised a ground invasion of Iran on the day of his inauguration) is polling in third place in Iowa behind Trump and Ben Carson
Better start working those phones if you want your trillion dollar war
1994 was a good time to buy. Your circumstances allowed you to hit a good period of timing. Now shift everything forward 10 years and look at everything being exactly the same BUT facing 2004 prices instead of 1994 prices. And they were rising like crazy.
No, I think he bought in 1984. Then he says he really should have bought in 1994. Then he informs us that we all need to have a guaranteed 20-year job in the same place before we are allowed to buy.
In that case, the only people who could buy are government workers. And even that’s dicey. The job might be secure, but the office itself may move to a location with an intolerable commute.
On the other hand, 1987, a year after we were married, was a terrible time to buy. And yet we had plenty of people telling us “buy now or be priced out forever!”
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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-08-17 08:43:54
And prices collapsed to mid-1970’s levels when the bottom fell out in 1990.
Bought in 1984. That is 10 years, not 6 years or 2.6 years. We put 40 percent down, and paid off the mortgage as soon as possible ??
HA thinks your stupid for buying a depreciating shack…You should have just stayed home and lived in moms basement like him…Blue Skye thinks your stupid for borrowing money….From my lens, it appears like you made the correct decision…
“First-time buyers are paying a median price of $140,238, nearly 2.6 times their income. In the early 1970s, the starter home was just 1.7 times income.”
LBJ’s Great Society program put the housewife to work.
Not being able to buy a house at what may very well be the peak of another bubble isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Let the people who can afford to take the losses take them, and if they can’t afford the losses that everyone knows are coming, they shouldn’t be buying a house in the first place.
What’s a career? Most of us can barely get jobs much less line up the full roman cursus honorum treatment of a steady upward progression of jobs.
Five entry level jobs in thirty years isn’t a career. Its the modern American lifestyle but its not a career.
Careers seemed to disappear in the boomer era for most, as a Xer I don’t have a career and don’t personally know any Xers on a career path although I’m told they exist in legacy fields, and the millenials are and will be mostly un and under employed after graduation, much less have a career.
Once that research project is complete, we can try for stable career instead of merely any old career. I’m mystified where a stable career could even exist. Maybe in the employ of the government? I wouldn’t say military live defines stability, but maybe in some captured regulatory agency?
If you require a career to buy a house, you’re not going to sell many houses given the whole pyramid thing. Unless bosses have less than two direct reports, most people will never be a boss, obviously.
You could doublespeak newspeak the word career to mean “any job at all” but that waters down the value.
Fundamentally if you insist on pyramid structure of economy, unless you’re going full on Ponzi most people will obviously never have a career and if you go full on Ponzi it won’t be a stable career.
So is the article snarkily claiming no one should buy a house?
Reminds me of listening to overly picky single people claiming theres no fish in the sea because they can’t quite seem to find tenured professor retired astronaut part time platinum record recording championship college sports team singles in their home town, so they’ll just buy another cat for their empty house instead of dating.
“Five entry level jobs in thirty years isn’t a career. Its the modern American lifestyle but its not a career.”
The normal track, aside from a fortunate generation of two, is a quick rise in pay through middle age, as a worker gains some experience, followed by a flattening out.
And then getting downsized and taking jobs for less.
As an electrical engineer, I have had about a half-dozen entry-level jobs over the past 25 years. Now I’m too old to be considered for hiring by most of today’s companies.
It’s a completely different jobs landscape than it was back in the day. I fully expected to hire on at a major corporation and spend my entire career there, getting mentored and then becoming one.
Oh well . . .
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Comment by Larry Littlefield
2015-08-17 12:59:53
Certainly each generation, starting with the back end of the Baby Boom, has been less well off than the one before.
There’s a new movie out called Blood or Oil, or something like that. I saw an ad for it while I was waiting for my sandwich today. It’s kind of funny because they must have conceived of the film when oil was still hot, and now it’s cratering at the same time that the movie is actually coming out.
Had a laugh yesterday. One of the DC news radio stations had its weekly segment with a local real estate agent. The subject was, “How to bid for a property.”
What made me laugh darkly was the agent’s suggestion that the real estate agent and lender speak directly, to get an understanding of the buyer’s finances.
I thought, “Wow. You can shear a sheep multiple times, but you can skin him only once. This is shearing the sheep, closely.”
The buyer’s real estate agent is not the buyer’s teammate. He’s on the seller’s team. His interests are opposite to the buyer’s in the most important category - price.
The seller is interested in getting as high a price as possible, his agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible and the “buyer’s” agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible. Why? Because those three make more money the higher the price is.
The buyer is interested in a lower price. None of those three aforementioned actors wants a lower price.The lender and RE agent speaking directly simply provides an insight into the maximum price the buyer can pay.
It’s extremely deceptive. And deception is the core component of fraud.
If someone has so little understanding of the game that they’d allow “their” real estate agent to speak with the lender to understand the maximum price the buyer can pay, yet they are prepared to spend north of half a million dollars (500K is the median price in DC), and get on the hook for well over a million - well, it’s startling.
This is the famous Milton Friedman quote: “there is one and only one social responsibility of business–to use it resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud.”
Without deception or fraud. Entirely too easy to ignore that last part.
I spent most of the past two weekends driving and listened to radio shows about real estate. House buying really. One was this station in Las Vegas, 720 AM. It’s a full court press. Urgency, scarcity. (They did get into shadow inventory and concluded it was the smart and good thing to do.) I noticed the majority of the talk was about loans.
I bet I heard “do it now”, and “I wouldn’t wait” every couple of minutes. We’re all consuming housing right now. Obviously what these people are interested in is churn. Transactions. OK, sales people will be sales people. But our economy has been hijacked by this stuff. Otherwise why does the financial media care if we rent a house or buy a house? I know the narrative; loan-owners buy more furniture, paint the walls. Is that really the basis of a strong economy?
The most important point of this past weekends post was this; a big shift into low down, government backed loans. FHA and VA; so we’re looking at 3.5% or less. Is it that hard to imagine these buyers being underwater in these circumstances? The last show was out of Phoenix. These two brothers ended the thing by going over their listings. One price reduction after another. The final one was in Gilbert, a 7 bedroom 8 bath, pool, everything. Originally priced at $1.9 million, now at $1.3 million. “Now that’s a motivated seller” one guy says.
I wonder where there is a house worth a million bucks in gilbert? I lived in gilbert about 10 years ago. It is mainly tract homes built on old farmland. I just dont remember seeing any million dollar homes around.
Gilbert 10 years ago is far from Gilbert now. Lots of building. LOTS of building. LOTS OF BUILDING. There’s lots of nice big houses with cool yards and pools and stuff on big lots. But I agree that none of it should be worth a million. The jobs don’t support it even the ones further away in downtown PHX. A bit of equity locusting going on.
“Otherwise why does the financial media care if we rent a house or buy a house? I know the narrative; loan-owners buy more furniture, paint the walls. Is that really the basis of a strong economy?”
The financial media is interested, of course, because the more buyers, the higher home prices go. The higher home prices go, the bigger the loan. And the bigger the loan, the more interest that they can collect. I understand their motives, while I find them despicable, it’s not hard to see where they are coming from.
Is that the basis of a strong economy? Well, IMHO, no way. However, when you think about it, all this house flipping/home buying is an “in country” activity that really can’t (yet) be outsourced to China. Higher a roofer, you’re going to be putting money in American pockets. Buy a new Xbox, you’re not putting much money in American pockets.
The thing that really makes me think when I see these bank rates is “What would the bank be doing if they couldn’t lay that risk off on others”? I wouldn’t loan a family member money for 30 years at 4%. Would any intelligent banker make that loan if they couldn’t push that risk (and the money tied up) to someone else? IMHO, not a chance in he**. And this is one of the big problems today with the housing market, interest rates are still unrealistically low, when they correct, prices will fall in proportion. That’s the huge downside that’s yet to come.
Otherwise why does the financial media care if we rent a house or buy a house?
Main reason:
House purchases is the proxy economic indicator of how many people working in stable careers.
Other smaller reasons:
Mortgages have a steady house payment, while rent goes up. More time in house –> more money each month to buy stuff.
Homeowners are stable families/less crime. Another proxy for a stable career (and the stable person to land that career job.)
Homeowners have a place to stay when they retire.
Homeowners can leave the house to their kids to live in. This worked well generations ago. The kids could get jobs in the same cities as their parents and take over the house with no mortgage payment (and buy stuff). It doesn’t apply now. The kids left for college, moved on to the hoppin’ cities like Denver and Austin, and never came back. Nobody want’s Dad’s wallpapered 3/1 in Milwaukee.
Rent goes up and it’s still less than buying a depreciating shack at a grossly inflated price. Rents would have to double then some to reach the cost of a massive mortgage payment, interest and depreciation.
Why finance a depreciating asset for a lifetime when you can rent it for half the monthly cost?
“Mortgages have a steady house payment, while rent goes up. More time in house –> more money each month to buy stuff.”
This will only be true in the future if the general credit expansion continues on relentlessly for decades to come. That will only happen if the average person has only just started to test their debt service capabilities. If tens of millions do not join the Oxide way, then it won’t happen.
The people I see in Starbucks in the DFW area being worked over by slick real estate agents definitely all look like low/no downpayment FHA/VA loan people.
Mostly young, overweight, tatooed, poor-ish looking. And this is in the “wealthy” northern suburbs.
Sometimes you see entire families, everyone on a laptop, all looking at real estate lsitings with an agent. Thay spend hours doing this, all the while nodding their heads in unison whenever the real estate agent speaks.
I wouldn’t sell these folks a pack of gum on credit, much less a house.
“The seller is interested in getting as high a price as possible, his agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible and the “buyer’s” agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible. Why? Because those three make more money the higher the price is.”
And previous buyers - 63.4 percent of the population - are interested in the current buyer paying the highest price possible because high and rising prices mean high and rising wealth for everyone EXCEPT the buyer - however (and this is the really strange part) even the buyer wants prices to be high and rising because high and rising prices IS THE ATTRACTION. High and rising prices is what entices him to want to buy, entices him to want to “get in on the action”.
So … to boil it down a bit … most everyone wants high and rising prices and so high and rising prices is what you get (as long as the money is made available).
My realtor company ran a joint operation with my mortgage lender, so I’m sure they discussed my finances. But I don’t see why it’s a big deal. Say you give the realtor a ballpark of $200K. That realtor already guesses that you’re qualified for more, and will show you a $300K house anyway. Does it really matter if you’re qualified exactly for $220K or $275K? If the buyer can’t resist the $300K house, that’s the buyer’s fault, not the realtor.
A purchase negotiation is a game where the buyer tries to bring the price down and the seller tries to bring the price up.
When you have someone ostensibly working for you, whose interests are in fact aligned with the seller, and who tips your hand to the seller, that costs the buyer money.
It’s little different than a car salesman working with the buyer’s lender to figure out the maximum the buyer can spend on the car.
‘The problems afflicting Castro’s Cuba were systemic and not so easily solved: while economic efficiency increased, the economy was still heavily dependent on Soviet subsidies. And when those were reduced to a trickle, and then finally ended with the Soviet implosion, popular discontent and “social deviancy” skyrocketed. Cuban Communism was in crisis.’
‘Castro reacted with his crazed “Rectification” campaign, a set of new policies that had three prongs. The first prong was an economic belt-tightening: imports were curbed along with consumption, and a strict rationing system was introduced.’
‘Secondly, the private market that had cautiously yet steadily grown up around the margins of the state-controlled economy was viciously assaulted and shut down: farmers’ markets were closed, small traders and other micro-scale businesses were outlawed, and even street vendors were swept off the sidewalks and alleyways of Cuba’s cities.’
‘The third prong of the “Rectification” crackdown was a renewed effort to instill Leninist dogmatism in every aspect of Cuban society. The Soviet reforms of the Gorbachev era were denounced as a “betrayal”: “It is disgusting,” fumed Castro, “that many in the Soviet Union are dedicating themselves to denying and destroying the historic feats and extraordinary merits of that heroic people.” The stern figure of Che Guevara was restored as the epitome of “socialist consciousness,” and the militarization of labor, coupled with fierce repression of the slightest ideological “deviancy,” was reintroduced. Moral hectoring replaced material incentives: Cubans must work for the glory of the Communist state without “selfish” desires for physical comforts.’
‘The reason for this was because the regime had no material comforts or rewards to offer: the Cuban economy was collapsing. Yet Castro persisted, driving the country into penury, otherwise known as the “special period.” It wasn’t until his illness and retirement, and the assumption of de facto power by brother Raul, that economic reform was instituted and the economy slowly improved.’
‘Opponents of normalization, such as the neocons’ favorite son Marco Rubio, don’t have a leg to stand on. The idea that the embargo does anything but reinforce the totalitarian rule of the Communist Party is now completely discredited. Bereft of the excuse that the “Yankee imperialists” are responsible for Cuba’s parlous condition, the regime is now being forced to move in the same direction that Gorbachev did – and the results will be quite similar, insofar as the Communist Party will be forced to give up its dictatorship. While they won’t go quietly – indeed, their accommodation of the need for political and economic change is an attempt to forestall the loss of their power – the Leninist project in Cuban is doomed, and they know it. What they are counting on is the possibility that decades of ideological indoctrination and nationalist sentiment will give them the edge when the one-party system finally gives way before the tides of history.’
‘If I were them, I wouldn’t count on it. Their only hope is that the Marco Rubios of this world will prevail, and the US embargo remains in place. Then they can point to external factors, rather than the abject failure of socialism, as the source of Cuba’s problems. This was Castro’s strategy, and they’ll fall back on it if they have to. However, the question is – why are the alleged anti-communists of the Rubio persuasion giving the Cuban communists this out?’
We used to talk about this in the 80’s. For instance, why do people in Mexico and central America go to such efforts to come to the United States? For decades! Do they not have democracy? Natural resources, capitalism? Do they not work so hard in Mexico? Why are they so damn poor down there? And wasn’t NAFTA supposed to fix all this?
This is why I can’t understand the socialists here in this country. Capitalism has given us everything we have, such that it is. The government doesn’t create anything. It only takes. Sure they may pass some of it around, but look at the result; inequality like we’ve never experienced. Record numbers on government assistance. It’s funny to me that pundits noted, “well China manipulates their stock markets but so does the west.” Yeah, and that’s the problem with command and control economies; it’s all a self-defeating bunch of BS.
Well why don’t we insist they fix their problems? If these immigrants couldn’t leave, they might grow a backbone and stand up to the PTB and get reform. I’ll repeat; why aren’t we asking what the heck is so wrong down south that millions of people leave?
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Comment by 2banana
2015-08-17 05:52:43
Well why don’t we insist they fix their problems?
HA! A subject of many drinks at the local bars.
Throwing money at the problem just makes it worse.
The “conclusion” we arrived at is that you would have to send “white” Americans to run the place for a few generations until most of the corrupt generations had died off.
2banana’s Rule:
Economic opportunity + personal liberty + private property = A growing and vibrant economy
We have this in America (although it is quickly disappearing)
I saw the same in Afghanistan. Massive corruption and nothing gets done until a white American takes charge.
And FYI - “White” American describes pretty much any American who works hard, can organize and is not corrupt. NOT the color of the skin.
Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 07:58:30
Most countries that were once colonies of Spain and Portugal have problems with bribery and corruption. English colonies inherited hundreds of years of English common law, whereas Latin countries inherited a legacy of harsh Catholic indoctrination. These kinds of issues can’t be solved overnight, if they can be solved at all.
Comment by 2banana
2015-08-17 08:08:05
Most countries that were once colonies of Spain and Portugal have problems with bribery and corruption. English colonies inherited hundreds of years of English common law, whereas Latin countries inherited a legacy of harsh Catholic indoctrination. These kinds of issues can’t be solved overnight, if they can be solved at all.
I guess the answer is to make the illegals become citizens so we can bask in their diversity.
‘These kinds of issues can’t be solved overnight, if they can be solved at all’
I did a 180 on open borders after living a few miles from Mexico. It was much the same on the Texas border. Brownsville had 3 school superintendents in 3 years, all forced out for corruption. One had 22 secretaries, most of which were friends and relatives. I came to see it like this: once you get elected, it’s gravy time. The next guy gets in, it’s his turn. This was in a system with common law and not much influence from the church.
It’s a form of racism to say Mexicans can’t have a higher standard of living because they are Mexicans. Corruption can be rooted out anywhere. The fact is Mexico has a class system, benefiting a ruling caste at the expense of the masses. NAFTA did nothing to change this arrangement and possible entrenched it. IMO we are doing the poor people to the south an injustice to allow these countries to export their unemployment and social unrest.
Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 08:45:49
“The fact is Mexico has a class system, benefiting a ruling caste at the expense of the masses.”
No doubt about that. Mexico’s privileged would rather keep the masses poor than live in a country they can be proud of. In that sense, we’re becoming more Mexican every day, and in this country, the people who dislike Mexicans the most are the ones the privileged class has the easiest time manipulating.
Comment by Karen
2015-08-17 11:02:46
Much of the problem in Latin America is due to socialist ideology. Most people in these countries stil believe in socialism.
Comment by WPA
2015-08-17 11:17:17
Much of the problem in Latin America is due to socialist ideology.
The primary driver of Latin American underperformance is their social caste structure, corruption in institutions, and few avenues for higher education. These problems dominate regardless if the presidente or dictator is “socialist” or not.
Comment by tj
2015-08-17 19:48:39
NAFTA did nothing to change this arrangement and possible entrenched it.
free trade doesn’t do much to change working conditions or the value of labor. it’s a wrong expectation. free trade does help to improve the standard of living though. but as i said, it won’t help wages at all.
IMO we are doing the poor people to the south an injustice to allow these countries to export their unemployment and social unrest.
correct. as you said above, they would be better off if they fixed their own problems. the truth is though, that they don’t know how. they won’t like to hear what needs to be done.
the pilgrims decided to share everything when they landed. you know, the communist way. it got worse every year for them. by year 3 they were all starving. finally they gave up and said it was every man for himself. everyone could keep whatever they produced. the starvation ended there. conditions continued to improve. i think that’s how bad things have to get before people in mexico (and elsewhere) will give up socialism. they will always want government to do more as conditions worsen. with more government power comes more corruption. they will continue to want more government help until it all falls in.
This is why I can’t understand the socialists here in this country. Capitalism has given us everything we have, such that it is.
Capitalism, like communism, have something in common: both have been tried and both have failed. North Korea is the last holdout for communism. The are no successful purely capitalist countries in existence. I suppose dirt poor countries like Sudan with no government, no services and subsistence economies might count as examples. When the U.S. had a pure capitalist economy in the 1800’s it was a disaster: lurching from one recession or depression from another. Several states defaulted.
The *only* proven economic system is the mixed economy — part capitalist and part socialist. Scanning down a list of the most prosperous countries — defined either as GDP or by standard of living — and all of them are mixed economies.
The government *does* create wealth — indirectly. Investments in infrastructure and scientific research create a multiplier effect. Electrification, space program, internet all started as government programs but opened the door to the private sector — there’s a huge amount of wealth that wouldn’t exist today without that government involvement.
A car engine cannot run on just air or gas — there is an optimum mixture of both. The economy is the same way, there is an optimum mixture of capitalism and socialism that creates maximum wealth. Even free-market darling Art Laffer admitted as much in his Laffer Curve: as taxes approach zero so does economic output.
‘there is an optimum mixture of capitalism and socialism that creates maximum wealth’
Elsewhere there’s a post saying it all has to do with being a former British colony. On this list of prosperous mixed economies, how many are non-anglo?
Some people are inclined to being told what to do. Take Canadians; they wallow in socialism, speak reverently of the Queen. It’s a nice place, but I couldn’t stand to live there.
This is the way it’s supposed to work. Each state can have it’s own set up, more or less. If Massachusetts want to be near-commie, let em. If California wants to be a welfare state, let em. If Arizona wants to make it easy to start a business and carry a gun, it their choice. And then let’s see who does better and people will gravitate to what suits them best.
Government creates wealth = a tick makes a dog run faster.
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Comment by WPA
2015-08-17 08:44:04
On this list of prosperous mixed economies, how many are non-anglo?
China, Japan, Brazil, and India are in the top 10. All of them mixed economies.
World’s largest corporation, Royal Dutch Shell, is based in the highly socialist Netherlands. Many of the largest corporations in the U.S. are based in New York or California — blue states.
let’s see who does better and people will gravitate to what suits them best.
That experiment’s already been done. That marvelous laboratory of free market trickle down called Kansas isn’t attracting businesses or people — in fact, people are moving out.
Comment by drumminj
2015-08-17 08:57:09
That experiment’s already been done. That marvelous laboratory of free market trickle down called Kansas isn’t attracting businesses or people — in fact, people are moving out.
Yes, and with a stronger federal government (rather than how this country was initially set up), we get to have the poor policies implemented at the national level such that we all suffer, rather than allowing for some states to make good decisions that hopefully influence others.
Comment by WPA
2015-08-17 09:10:17
Yes, and with a stronger federal government (rather than how this country was initially set up), we get to have the poor policies implemented at the national level such that we all suffer, rather than allowing for some states to make good decisions that hopefully influence others.
… except it is well known that the Red States consume a disproportionate share of federal assistance. There is a price we all pay for “states rights” when they conduct these experiments that don’t work.
Comment by drumminj
2015-08-17 09:26:55
… except it is well known that the Red States consume a disproportionate share of federal assistance.
Do you think that someone like me supports our tax at federal level + redistribute to states model?
That isn’t an argument against my position. The tax+redistribute is part of the problem, and part of the mechanism the fedgov uses to cement it’s power. If states don’t enact laws that can’t be done at the federal level, the fed withholds funds. How is that in line with allowing states to determine how they wish to be run???
Comment by WPA
2015-08-17 09:54:17
How is that in line with allowing states to determine how they wish to be run???
I’m saying states should not be allowed to do anything that they want because they can drag us all down. I’ll pick on a blue state this time: Illinois. For many years they made the bad decision to underfund their pensions, which causes the losses to grow exponential due to loss of compounding, and at some point down the line the state may have to default. If Illinois defaults the Feds will have no choice but to bail them out because it would hurt the credit rating of the U.S. as a whole. So we all pay for a state’s bad decisions. Therefore, there’s a national interest in not letting states get too crazy.
Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 10:51:58
“If Illinois defaults the Feds will have no choice but to bail them out because it would hurt the credit rating of the U.S. as a whole.”
I doubt that Illinois would be bailed out. Detroit straightened out it’s mess by filing for bankruptcy. I don’t know if that’s an option for a state, but an option may need to be created.
Comment by drumminj
2015-08-17 11:52:01
If Illinois defaults the Feds will have no choice but to bail them out because it would hurt the credit rating of the U.S. as a whole. So we all pay for a state’s bad decisions.
You’re arguing that we *should* all pay for a state’s bad decisions. I’d argue against that — Illinois should be allowed to fail, just as bad banks should be allowed to fail.
If we don’t allow failure, how can we possibly hope to identify success? Answer: we can’t, which is why our system is so f’n busted at this point.
Comment by oxide
2015-08-17 13:25:51
“That experiment’s already been done. That marvelous laboratory of free market trickle down called Kansas isn’t attracting businesses or people — in fact, people are moving out.”
But WPA, please understand, that’s what Kansas wants! If Kansas cut the freebies, then the freeloaders will either have to get a real job, or move to a blue state which still hands out freebies. Filter out the refuse, and Kansas will become a utopia of self-reliant hard working people.
“Capitalism, like communism, have something in common: both have been tried and both have failed.”
‘cuz yer once…
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Comment by WPA
2015-08-17 08:47:17
‘cuz yer once…
A trademark of a simple mind is repetition. You might want to visit a home for Alzheimer’s patients — you can tell the same joke every day, over and over again, and they will laugh every time.
Comment by palmetto
2015-08-17 09:26:28
twice
Comment by palmetto
2015-08-17 11:39:05
“You might want to visit a home for Alzheimer’s patients”
The government doesn’t create anything. It only takes.
The government provides those very property rights that banana was raving about. The government also provides and sustains the “hundreds of years of common law,” which constantly prevents systemic corruption from taking root. Not to mention protections and a lot of prevention.
Government is an organization chosen to do certain functions. Its only power is force, therefore the less of it the better. Individuals develop laws, not the government. Like WPA, some think anything done “collectively” has some magic mojo going for it.
The government provides those very property rights
The government may _enforce_ them, but it doesn’t provide them. A subtle point, but very much the basis of the philosophy behind our method of government.
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Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 10:57:15
Property rights are inalienable, unless someone with a lot of money wants to put an oil pipeline through your back yard.
Comment by drumminj
2015-08-17 11:53:01
unless someone with a lot of money wants to put an oil pipeline through your back yard.
And who helps them do that? Government, of course, via eminent domain. Funny, that….
‘In the housing bubble, prices rose beyond all reason. In the bust, they fell even more than they had risen. For a long time since then, they recovered in fits and starts.’
‘Recently, however — as is fitting in a saner real estate market — house prices have been rising in line with personal income and other economic fundamentals in local areas. But a return to a more stable growth pattern does not mean that housing will once again become the economic engine it was in the decades before the bubble.’
‘One reason is that millions of homeowners still owe hundreds of billions of dollars more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.’
‘One solution for many troubled borrowers would be to modify their loan terms. But as Gretchen Morgenson of The Times reported recently, banks are still unwilling to modify loans, despite rules imposed by regulators and legal settlements after the bust that were supposed to make it easier and fairer for borrowers to obtain relief.’
‘Another reason that housing cannot propel the economy the way it once did is the growing inequality in incomes. That home prices are increasing in tandem with income is a sign of stability. But only investment income has been rising steadily in the recovery, while wages from work have stagnated.’
‘One result is that buying a home is still out of reach for many working people, particularly those who would have been first-time buyers in a healthier economy. Another result is that builders have largely focused on higher-end homes, leading to a low inventory of new starter homes.’
‘The situation is evidence of the unrepaired damage from the bust. Aggressive intervention to provide debt relief and create good jobs is still needed, but has not been forthcoming. It is not too late for remedial steps, if only the political consensus to take them could be found.’
‘American Home & Hardware announced Friday it is closing its home interior outlet, located a short distance from the main store at the corner of Main and Bridge streets. American Home & Hardware’s main store will remain open.’
‘Harry Brown, owner of the 91-year-old lumber, hardware and home supply company, said he thought about closing the outlet for a couple of years. He finally pulled the trigger last week and announced the news to his employees. “It’s just sad,” he said, repeating what one of his employees said when he announced the news.’
‘Opened in 1924 as Elkton Supply Company, over the years the business operated under two trade names, American Home & Hardware and American Home Interiors, to serve builders, remodelers, and homeowners in the Maryland, Delaware and Pennsylvania area.’
‘The decision to shutter the 27-year-old American Home Interiors building will allow American Home & Hardware to consolidate some of the interior’s store lines, such as cabinetry, into the main store. At the same time, it will cut the overhead expenses of maintaining two separate facilities, Brown said.’
“The world has changed and we’ve reinvented ourselves many times before,” he added. “This is just a reaction to the marketplace.”
‘Brown lamented that the real estate market hasn’t fully recovered in Cecil County yet.
“Not very many new homes are being built and there’s more competition than there was in 1988 when Harry Hammond and I opened American Home Interiors,” he said.’
‘When the housing bubble burst in about 2007, Brown employed 115 people. “I now have 72 employees, and I won’t be able to keep all five of the employees who currently work at the home interiors store,” he noted. “I’ve already told them so they have time to look for another job.”
‘Hammond retired several years ago, but he and Brown still own the building that houses American Home Interiors at 207 S. Bridge St. and will be putting it on the market. Brown hopes to be out of the American Home Interiors building by the end of October.’
“We’ve been selling off our appliances for a few months now,” he said.’
‘A lot of the merchandise in the American Home Interiors building can’t be relocated into the existing store, so Brown is offering bargains to move out as much as he can. “We will still be carrying cabinets, just not as many lines,” he said. “The appliances and flooring are going.”
‘Whitfield’s problem actually began in 2005, when her mother fell prey to one of the mortgage industry’s most notorious types of loan — the reverse mortgage — typically advertised on late-night infomercials and endorsed by national celebrities.’
‘Documents from legal filings show that Whitfield’s mother, Betty Cook, then 71, borrowed from Financial Freedom, a reverse mortgage marketer based in Austin, Texas. She received $18,633 to pay off the outstanding mortgage on the house, relieving her of making any more house payments during her lifetime, and she received a check for $6,386 in cash, according to legal filings. But the lender immediately tacked on up-front fees, pushing the total that Cook owed to nearly $38,000. By the time she died five years later and the lender moved to foreclose, the amount owed had ballooned with interest to almost $60,000.’
‘“I believe she was a victim of predatory lending. The seniors are sucked into this crap,” Whitfield said, seated on crumbling concrete steps to the house she calls home. So, what did her mom do with the $6,386 in cash?’
“I have no idea,” she said, speculating that it might have gone toward repairs on the house.’
“Dawn to dusk, we’ll have people in front of that house,” said David Mitchell, 34, of Detroit. To mark the battle zone, Mitchell and other volunteers have erected fencing on weedy lots next to Whitfield’s house, covering it with kids’ murals and slogans: “Justice, Not Eviction.” “Foreclosure-Free Zone.” “Black Homes Matter.” “Black Women Matter.”
‘They predict that if a bank puts Whitfield out, the house will be stripped and perhaps burned within days, setting the city another step back in trying to revive its declining neighborhoods. Neighbors can vouch for that.’
“If they evict her at noon, by midnight that house will be stripped,” said Michelle Dexter, 48, who lives across the street from Whitfield.’
‘The irony is that Whitfield, 56, missed an opportunity to purchase the house. But she has a steady job and has since twice offered to buy the property. Trying to buy a home valued at $9,000, Whitfield has repeatedly been to court and faced the same mortgage financing giant that American taxpayers spent billions of dollars bailing out just a few years ago.’
““If they evict her at noon, by midnight that house will be stripped.”
Let them strip the house, and the lender won’t get back anywhere near the amount they loaned when they take the house back. That would be the best revenge.
‘Financial services giant Goldman Sachs has invested $150 million (Rs 978 crore) to buy a minority stake in Piramal Realty, the privately held real estate arm of Ajay Piramal-led diversified firm Piramal Enterprises Ltd, the company said on Monday.’
‘The proceeds would be used to expand the company’s current real estate portfolio and acquire prime properties in and around Mumbai.’
‘Meanwhile, the company has announced a special scheme for home buyers under ‘Piramal Assurance’. As per the plan, the company will offer to buy back any residential unit from a customer at a five per cent discount to the market value until possession if a buyer is not satisfied.’
‘What is interesting is even when real estate market is going through a slump, private capital has continued to flow in.’
Too many Yellen bucks circling the globe. Can’t get price discovery with GS running around buying up shacks and UHS.
As Central Banks Lose Control, Doomsday Clock For Global Market Crash Strikes One Minute To Midnight
Now The End Begins | 16 Aug 15 | Geoffrey Grider
China currency devaluation signals endgame leaving equity markets free to collapse under the weight of impossible expectations
When the banking crisis crippled global markets seven years ago, central bankers stepped in as lenders of last resort. Profligate private-sector loans were moved on to the public-sector balance sheet and vast money-printing gave the global economy room to heal.
Time is now rapidly running out. From China to Brazil, the central banks have lost control and at the same time the global economy is grinding to a halt. It is only a matter of time before stock markets collapse under the weight of their lofty expectations and record valuations.
But remember, always remember, that every time you click on a Weekly Standard link, you are pulling a Shekel out of the United States Treasury (borrowed from communist China) and putting it in William Kristol’s pocket
And you may think you’re a conservative, you may think you’re a Christian, but in William Kristol’s eyes, all you’ll ever be is a stupid f*ing goyim
Only bigger and bigger government, with more and more government spending can save us…
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More Government Spending Equals Higher Prices
Capitol Confidential | 8/15/2015 | Jarrett Skorup
A news article in The Wall Street Journal notes that a view long held by most economists is increasingly being accepted by other scholars and policymakers across the board. Increasing federal aid for higher education, intended to make college more affordable, is driving up prices and making it more unaffordable.
The federal government has boosted aid to families in recent decades to make college more affordable. A new study from the New York Federal Reserve faults these policies for enabling college institutions to aggressively raise tuitions.
The implication is the federal government is fueling a vicious cycle of higher prices and government aid that ultimately could cost taxpayers and price some Americans out of higher education, similar to what some economists contend happened with the housing bubble.
The new Federal Reserve study found that every $1 in federal grants and loans increased tuition by between 55 and 65 cents.
Even with a paid off mortgage - you never own your house. You just rent it from the state.
And public union goon pensions will be paid. And they support democrats 99-1.
Long term democrat rule + public union goons + huge free sh*t army = bankruptcy, misery and ruin
And as a FYI - I have friends with nothing special houses on a 1/4 acre lots in NJ. Property taxes are $15-20K a year.
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The 10 worst states for property taxes
The Fiscal Times - Yuval Rosenberg - August 14, 2015
Residents of the Garden State are paying a whole lot for their gardens, according to a new analysis of property tax rates by the Tax Foundation.
Property taxes in the U.S. are a complicated patchwork of different policies set by states, cities and counties as well as local school boards, fire departments and utility commissions. Those differences — and the added complexity of valuing property — can make it difficult to arrive at apples-to-apples comparisons of property tax rates.
To cut through all those variables and map out where property tax rates are highest, the Tax Foundation looked at effective tax rates on owner-occupied housing. “This is the average amount of residential property tax actually paid, expressed as a percentage of home value,” the foundation’s Jared Walczak wrote in a blog post Thursday. The calculations exclude property taxes paid by businesses, renters and others. You can see how your state stacks up on the map below.
Keep in mind also that property taxes are just one part of your total tax bill. “Some states with high property taxes, like New Hampshire and Texas, rely heavily on property taxes in lieu of other major tax categories; others, like New Jersey and Illinois, impose high property taxes alongside high rates in the other major tax categories,” Walczak explains.
Here are the 10 states with the highest effective property tax rates for homeowners:
State Tax Rate
New Jersey 2.38%
Illinois 2.32%
New Hampshire 2.15%
Connecticut 1.98%
Wisconsin 1.96%
Texas 1.90%
Nebraska 1.84%
Michigan 1.78%
Vermont 1.71%
Rhode Island 1.67%
Are these the same public union goons who fix your roads, fight your fires, patrol your streets, and purify your water? Should people provide these services for free, and just eat cat food when they retire? If you want to live in a cabin in the woods that’s fine, but it sounds like what you really want is for other people to pay for the services you benefit from.
+1000 Dman. Whenever a conservative politician says “lower taxes” what he really means is “my corporate donors want to transfer part of their tax bill to the federal deficit so the entire population will pay for it with treasury bonds.”
Was “social justice” achieved when Jesse Jackson shaked down Anheuser-Busch and got his kidz the largest beer distributorship in Chicago?
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Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 08:58:43
How much social justice was there when Scott Walker committed hundreds of millions of dollars to pay for a sports arena for billionaires to profit from?
Are these the same public union goons who fix your roads, fight your fires, patrol your streets, and purify your water?
Technically, no. These were the public union goons who fixed, fought, patrolled, and purified 20-30 years ago. Past tense.
But that’s another way that the baby boomers benefited they they won’t admit. They got those services 20-30 years ago for a lower price, because those workers took a lower salary at the time in exchange for the retirement.
Re: Taxes in ILLANNOY!!
Don’t move here - you won’t like it.
You have to live here to really understand how bad it is.
This is the home of the future library of Barack HUSSEIN obamao!!!
Murder rate continues to escalate.
Potholes, labor unions and fiscal malaise and debt -
A veritable utopian paradise.
Full Story at Reuters…….
This thing is DOA……
Madigan and Cullerton will be sending Rauner back to revamp this thing again and again - thereby just grinding on him til he gives in. It is the ILLANNOY and Chicago way after all.
CHICAGO, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner unveiled on Monday a revamped bill to freeze local property taxes that hopes to woo Democratic votes by boosting funding for financially struggling school districts, particularly the Chicago Public Schools (CPS).
The measure couples a two-year tax freeze with a $74 million increase in state funding for high-poverty school districts and the creation of a commission to change Illinois’ school funding formula. The state would contribute $200 million a year for two years toward pension and healthcare costs at CPS without a reduction in the district’s $600 million state grant funding, according to the Republican governor.
William Kristol’s eyes, all you’ll ever be is a stupid f*ing goyim
It may be true.
But William Kristol will never send to public union thug with a gun to take my house (to fund pensions) and to make sure I paid my obamacare taxes (to fund health care for illegals). All to make sure he gets the votes.
And that my friend, is the difference.
I can make the choice never to read another Weekly Standard article again and William Kristol can do nothing about it.
No, blame Christian Zionists and the people they elect
ISIS are, to put it succinctly, loosers
Christian Zionists have a taxpayer funded $600,000,000,000+ a year war machine
Christian Zionists have sex with their daughters and their siblings. Christian Zionists speak in tongues and roll around on the floor of their church having convulsions. Christian Zionists believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
13% of Americans infected with HIV are unaware they are infected
Vote for Obama twice, and that’s what you get
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Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 08:38:42
As of 4 years ago, 30% of Americans still think that Saddam Hussein attacked us on 911. These are the same folks who think the earth is 6,000 years old and that Obama was born in Kenya. Vote for W. twice, and that’s what you get, or rather, let morons vote, and what you get is W.
I haven’t decide which candidate I will donate my time, $$$ and expertise to. It will be whichever candidate that plans to export illegals, end the fed and slash SS and Pentagon and everything in between.
Whether you do or don’t like Trump, this is very good.
It sucks. It’s just base-rallying with simple ideas to reach out to those who read at an 8th grade level. It’s pablum for the AM radio crowd. A vote for Trump is a vote for the oligarchy.
Make it a felony to hire an illegal, and immigration will grind to a halt overnight. Talk about building fences and deporting people is like throwing slop to the pigs.
“Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.”
Companies have become very good at getting politicians and journalists to talk about the “skills gap” when what they really mean is wage gap. Pay someone less to do the same job and your executive bonus will be even bigger.
Make H1-Bs for the workers only — no parents and NO wives allowed not even for visits. You want to see your family? Get skype and plane tickets on your own dime. H1B will slow to a trickle overnight.
We don’t need a wall. There are 2000 miles along the US-Mexico border.
Want to protect the border and save money? Position one US soldier every 1/10th of a mile along the border. That would require 20k troops. Stagger another soldier in between those 20k, 1/10th of a mile behind the first 20k. Now we’re up to 40k.
Where would we get the troops to do this?
There are 10k+ troops in Afghan/Iraq, 80k in Asia, 60k in Europe, and 1M here in the US.
“I won’t stand for standing behind things I don’t know if I stand for or not. I will make a decision soon depending how it affects the 95% of black votes for democrats.”
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Bernie Sanders backs away from campaign’s apology to #blacklivesmatter
americanthinker.com | 8/17/2015 | Thomas Lifson
The Soros-funded #blacklivesmatter movement is a big problem for the Democrats, and Bernie Sanders just stumbled over it. Failure to grovel risks dampening the extraordinary black turnout necessary for Democratic victories in many states. But excessive groveling (say, apologizing for saying, “All lives matter,” as Martin O’Malley did) makes the candidate look like a PC wuss, nobody to entrust the nation’s security to.
Appearing on Meet the Press, Bernie Sanders in effect pleaded incompetence as a leader for his campaign’s apology letter that made its way to Buzzfeed. Amber Ferguson reports in the Huffington Post:
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) says he was not the person who sent an apology email to Black Lives Matter activists and believes an apology is unnecessary.
Michael Brown robbed a convenience store and attacked a cop True.
Eric Garner was murdered by NYPD True.
But when you’re a “progressive” these events are indistinguishable False. There is no grand agreement among the left that Brown was innocent. However, it is undeniable there is a problem with overly-aggressive militarized police. And it’s not just black people who suffer from it.
While you may distinguish that difference, the 99% of Facebook slacktivists that are the “base” of progressive politics can’t do that
I saw Straight Outta Compton on opening day. In the scenes of the Rodney King verdict riots in Los Angeles, there were lots of white people “demonstrating” and carrying signs
Because that’s what “progressives” do, they rewrite history, just like Stalin
Neocons want to invade and destroy other countries, but progressives want to destroy this country from the inside out
Because the “progressive” media airs a photograph of Trayvon Martin taken when he was 11 years old, not the teenage thug with previous burglary arrests who was high on promethazine with codeine when he assaulted that “creepy ass cracker”
Scripting a narrative
That’s what progressives do
P.S. there are more black people living in my apartment building than in your entire zip code, because progressives are segregationists and racists
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Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 10:09:10
So every pathetic white loser who wants to play cop is entitled to kill at least one black kid? There are many ways in which some black people harm themselves, and many of them never had a chance to begin with, but they shouldn’t have to go through life wondering if some real or pretend cop is going to murder them.
Comment by redmondjp
2015-08-17 21:09:31
Then, Dman, their mommas better teach them one thing:
eric gardner was NOT murdered by the police…….it was a suicide by cop…..he was extremely obese asthma useless and he resisted arrest…. he could have manned up and stood still and took his medicine quietly…. (getting handcuffed)
Donald Trump Tells His Biggest Lie By Claiming To Break Bernie Sanders’ Crowd Records
“The truth is that Trump isn’t breaking any records. His biggest crowd was a little over 4,000 in Las Vegas. Sanders set the record last weekend when 28,000 came out to see him in Portland, OR. Trump’s best crowd is about seven times less than the Sanders record.
The media isn’t bothering to fact check Trump. He is making it all up as he goes along, and no one is challenging him.”
Big crowds aren’t going to see Trump because they all have real jobs
The progressive rent-a-mob at the Sanders speeches have trust funds or work at some sh*tty nonprofit trying to fundraise to pay for Cecil the lion to have a sex change operation
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Comment by Dman
2015-08-17 13:27:31
Many of Trump’s supporters could never be away from their TV’s long enough to go to a campaign rally anyway.
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-08-17 15:44:55
Free Shit Army rent-a-mobs are cheap. None of the work.
Market timer Tom McClellan sees stocks set up for ‘ugly decline’ as early as Thursday
MarketWatch | August 17, 2015 | Tomi Kilgore
McClellan is bullish today, but he expects definitive peak in stocks between Aug. 20 and Aug. 26
Tom McClellan loves doing what financial advisers tell you not to do. He tries to time the financial markets — to the exact day, if his charts align just right.
At the moment, they are telling him to be bullish on the stock market for all of his trading time frames, including those that trade every few days, weeks and months. But bulls should be ready to flee, as soon as this week.
That’s because McClellan said his timing models suggest “THE” top in stocks will be hit some time between Aug. 20 and Aug. 26. He expects “nothing good for the bulls for the rest of the year,” he said in a phone interview with MarketWatch.
McClellan doesn’t have a strong view on how far stocks could fall, just that it will probably be an “ugly decline” lasting into early 2016. The good news is that his models suggest it should not be as bad as the 2007-to-2009 bear market, when the S&P 500 Index SPX, -0.37% plunged as much as 57%, or the 2000-to-2002 selloff when the index plummeted 49%.
Goon:
You guys play Ten Years After in your shop?
Man if you don’t pull up a copy of A Space in Time - if you want to hear Alvin Lee in his prime - I think your patrons would like this music alot - jsut great to hear it again!!!
The median house price in San Francisco has jumped 103% since the first quarter 2012 to $1.35 million in July; the median condo price has jumped 74% to $1.125 million. These aren’t palaces; condos include 1-bedroom and smaller units!
And incomes in San Francisco, it turns out, haven’t soared in lockstep (the Census Bureau pegged the median household income at $75,604 in 2013 though it has risen since). A similar scenario has played out in other Bay Area counties. And thus housing affordability has plunged. “Housing crisis” – that’s what a lot of people call it.
The Housing Affordability Index (HAI) for the 2nd quarter, just released by the California Association of Realtors, shows that only the top 10% of households in San Francisco can afford to buy a median house, and this despite historically low mortgage rates!
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Asian stocks trade in the green, Chinese indices drop on firmer yuan
Mon, Aug 17 2015, 02:06 GMT | FXStreet
FXStreet (Mumbai) - Asian indices has an upbeat start to the week, with Japanese shares leading gains on weaker yen following a contraction in Japan’s Q2 GDP figures, preliminary estimates showed. While investors’ sentiment remained boosted amid stabilizing fx markets as the latest PBOC yuan fix had no major impact.
China yuan fixing stood firmer for the second day on Monday at 6.3969 versus 6.3918 Friday.
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Asian shares dragged down by volatile China stocks; dollar edges up
By Reuters | 17 Aug, 2015, 12.47PM IST
TOKYO: Asian stocks were dragged lower by volatile Chinese equities on Monday, as relative stability in the yuan failed to assuage underlying concerns that Beijing may push its currency further down after last week’s surprise devaluation.
In Europe, however, markets look set to take their cues from Friday’s modest gains on Wall Street. Spreadbetters forecast a higher open for Britain’s FTSE, Germany’s DAX and France’s CAC.
MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan fell 0.8 per cent.
The index added to last week’s loss of 2.6 per cent suffered after Beijing devalued the yuan, buffeting global financial markets and fanning concerns about China’s economy.
The yuan fell more than 4 per cent at one point, pulling down riskier assets such as emerging currencies globally amid fears the devaluation would spark a global currency war, but financial markets began stabilising towards the end of last week as China slowed the pace of the currency’s drop.
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Industries | Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:12am EDT
Related: Financials, Industrials
China stocks claw back losses but fear further yuan depreciation
HONG KONG
Chinese stocks recouped early losses on Monday but gains were capped by fears that Beijing would let the yuan depreciate further, despite statements from the central bank last week that it sees no reason for more declines.
After ending morning trade in the red, the Shanghai Composite Index closed up 0.7 percent at 3,994.37 points, its third consecutive session of gains.
The CSI300 index of the largest listed companies in Shanghai and Shenzhen closed up 0.1 percent at 4,077.87.
“We believe the renminbi will still face further depreciation pressure as the weak economic environment warrants further monetary easing measures, while the U.S. interest rate hike is likely to come as soon as next month,” Alex Fan, a research director at GF Securities wrote in a research note.
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Chinese Stocks Fall in Hong Kong as Yuan Outlook Spurs Outflows
August 16, 2015 — 6:23 PM PDT
Updated on August 17, 2015 — 1:41 AM PDT
Chinese stocks fell, with a gauge of shares in Hong Kong retreating to an eight-month low, as foreigners pulled funds amid concern about the weaker outlook for the yuan and economic growth.
The Hang Seng China Enterprises Index dropped 0.9 percent to 10,962.24 at the close. Net outflows from Chinese and Hong Kong equities reached $531 million in the week to Aug. 12, the ninth week of sales out of the past 10, China International Capital Corp. said. Ping An Insurance (Group) Co. led losses by insurers as the government seeks to contain the fallout from blasts in Tianjin port. Airlines jumped in mainland trading, spurring a late-day rebound for the Shanghai Composite Index.
The yuan sank the most in 21 years last week after the government allowed markets greater sway in setting the currency’s level. China’s industrial production, investment and retail data all trailed analysts’ estimates, according to data released this month. The securities regulator signaled on Friday China Securities Finance Corp. will reduce the scale of its intervention in the stock market. The fund has become one of the most influential investors since a $4 trillion rout.
“Investors expect the depreciation of the yuan to continue,” said Sam Chi Yung, a strategist at Delta Asia Securities Ltd. in Hong Kong. A weaker currency would make Chinese assets less attractive to foreigners, he said, while any withdrawal by the government from the market would further “frighten” investors.
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China is the least of our problems.
With globalization comes the chaos effects of contagion. A butterfly flapping its wings in China causes a tornado in California.
Watch out for tornadoes!
First we’ve got a manic run on Beef Chow Ho Fun and moo goo gai pan in this country and now we don’t have to worry about it. You guys are a riot.
Oil dips further, Nymex crude under $42 a barrel
Published: Aug 17, 2015 1:13 a.m. ET
By Eric Yep
Oil slipped further into negative territory in Asian trade on Monday as the market remained under selling pressure, with U.S. oil prices dropping below the $42 a barrel mark.
On the New York Mercantile Exchange, light, sweet crude futures for delivery in September CLU5, -1.60% traded at $41.88 a barrel, down $0.62 in the Globex electronic session. October Brent crude LCOV5, -1.12% on London’s ICE Futures exchange fell $0.64 to $48.55 a barrel.
“We have concerns about crude fundamentals and prices in [the second half of 2015] and 2016,” Morgan Stanley said in its weekly report.
The bank warned that oil demand is already near peak seasonal levels and will fall in the coming weeks as summer demand wanes. Moreover, oil production from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries has grown significantly this year, and the U.S. dollar is expected to strengthen further, weighing on oil prices. Financial markets will be watching U.S. FOMC minutes this week, keeping currency markets volatile.
“Supply-side news continues to dominate the market. OPEC is expected to boost crude oil production to 33 million barrels a day, the most ever, after international sanctions are removed against Iran,” ANZ Bank said.
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‘Short of cash and unsettled in their careers, young Americans are waiting longer than ever to buy their first homes. The typical first-timer now rents for six years before buying a home, up from 2.6 years in the early 1970s, according to Zillow. The delay reflects a trend that cuts to the heart of the financial challenges facing millennials: Renters are struggling to save for down payments. Increasingly, too, they’re facing delays in some key landmarks of adulthood, from marriage and children to a stable career, according to industry and government reports.’
‘These shifts help explain why homeownership, long a source of middle class identity and economic opportunity, has started to decline. The share of the U.S. population who own homes has slid to 63.4 percent, a 48-year low, according to the Census Bureau.’
‘And when young adults do sign the deed, their purchase price is now substantially more, relative to their income, than it was decades ago. First-time buyers are paying a median price of $140,238, nearly 2.6 times their income. In the early 1970s, the starter home was just 1.7 times income.’
The bamomony
Live in the basement
Waiting 6 years and it aint 6 years saving a down payment because those aren’t really required anymore. In that context the figures look even worse.
Simply put the price of houses is too expensive for what people can afford to pay. People live in houses they could not afford to buy. That is unsustainable.
“And when young adults do sign the deed, their purchase price is now substantially more, relative to their income, than it was decades ago. First-time buyers are paying a median price of $140,238, nearly 2.6 times their income. In the early 1970s, the starter home was just 1.7 times income.”
“… their purchase price is now substantially more, relative to their income …”
And this is because houses have become more “affordable” - affordable not as defined by the price but as defined by monthly payments. If the monthly payments are low enough then the price that these monthly payments are associated with can be quite high.
And high prices for houses are seen by many, are seen by the majority of people - are seen by the 63.4 percent of homeowners - as being a “good thing” because these high prices represent “wealth”.
Wealth as represented by prices, prices that are supported by monthly payments, monthly payments that are associated with debt - lots of debt.
Which means … this “wealth” - this illusion of wealth - is directly attached to debt - lots of debt, debt that must be incurred by somebody else - strangers - in supporting the comps if one’s own wealth is to be maintained.
And this all makes perfectly good sense because …
2.6 x income?
where
1950 2.2 now 4
and in cool zippy area 5 or 6x
Current asking prices of resale housing is 2x long term trend price and 3x construction costs(lot, labor, materials and profit) irrespective of location.
“And high prices for houses are seen by many, are seen by the majority of people - are seen by the 63.4 percent of homeowners - as being a “good thing” because these high prices represent ‘wealth’.”
To take this one step further …
It is not just the high prices that are seen as a “good thing”, it is THE RISING of these high prices that is seen as a good thing. The higher the price rise the better it is for everybody because rising prices - never-ending rising prices - translate into rising wealth - never-ending rising wealth - that can translate into rising spending - never-ending rising spending - that can lift the economy into prosperity - never-ending prosperity.
Don’t forget the rising taxes.
“Don’t forget the rising taxes.”
Yes! Rising prices translate to:
1. Rising taxes on transactions (i.e. sales taxes), and
2. Rising taxes on rising wealth (rising taxes on rising property values).
So everybody - including governments - love rising prices.
BTW, property tax is probably the only tax there is on wealth, the only wealth tax. There may be others but I cannot think of what they may be.
Okay, maybe an inheritance tax, but that would be a one-time tax while a property tax is a tax that endures.
So let me see if I understand your liberal logic.
I buy an overpriced crap shack for $500,000 with a liar’s loan for $499,000.
The public union goons demand I pay $25,000/year in property taxes to fund their insane pensions.
And this is a tax on wealth?
Sounds more like slavery.
maybe an inheritance tax ??
The mega wealthy don’t pay a dime of Inheritance tax…They create Non-Profit Foundations with their wealth….Give there kids 1 mil a year jobs with every possible perk from houses to helicopters…With a exemption of 10-mil + for couples the measly little-rich don’t pay either…So, the inheritance tax does not get the little rich or the big rich it gets the middle rich…
“So, the inheritance tax does not get the little rich or the big rich it gets the middle rich…”
Exactly, when it’s the big rich who should be paying the most, because they have most of the money. The purpose of an inheritance tax is to stop the formation of a privileged class, but the privileged class has trained enough sheeple to call it a “death tax” that they don’t have to worry about paying more than a token when they pass off their fortune to the next generation of takers.
If the monthly payments are low enough then the price that these monthly payments are associated with can be quite high.
Quick calc for reference:
1974: $50K income, $85K price, 20% down, 7% interest –> P+I = $452.
2015: $50K income, $130K mortgage, 3.5% down, 4% interest –> P+I = $599.
You mean deliberately fictionalized numbers Donk.
Quick calc for reference:
1974 median house price $28k, 20% down, 7% interest –> P+I = $143/month.
2015: median house price $200K, 3.5% down, 4% interest –> P+I = $1,427/month
Don’t forget your losses to depreciation in the $2-$3 per square foot per year every year you own it.
And remember….If you have to borrow for 15 or 30 years, you can’t afford it nor is it affordable.
You’re not accounting for the rise in household income over the years. Not that it matters… prices have definitely risen more than income.
https://www.tonydiloreto.com/blog/posts/the-us-housing-crunch-is-real-its-only-getting-worse/
Inflation adjusted housing is 3x higher than long term trend.
salaries and wages have not risen in over 30 years for the rest of us, just for the govvies who feed at the trough.
If rent = x, then your savings/investments should be at least 2*x
Loanowners can’t do this, every other month is a $1000 “surprise”
Who wants to come home from the weekend on a Sunday evening just to have to go to Loan Depot or Blowe’s to go buy and fix something? F* that nonsense
Loanowners are loosers
“‘Short of cash and unsettled in their careers, young Americans are waiting longer than ever to buy their first homes. The typical first-timer now rents for six years before buying a home, up from 2.6 years in the early 1970s, according to Zillow. The delay reflects a trend that cuts to the heart of the financial challenges facing millennials: Renters are struggling to save for down payments. Increasingly, too, they’re facing delays in some key landmarks of adulthood, from marriage and children to a stable career, according to industry and government reports.’”
And people wonder why the birth rate is falling. There are a lot of factors involved in that coming problem, however, one of the biggest is the hurdles now involved in making it to the typical landmarks of adulthood. Make housing massively expensive, people buy houses later. Make houses crazy priced per sq/ft, people buy smaller houses. Both of which lead to fewer children being born.
Much of the “Peter Pan” generation (they won’t grow up and move out, won’t get married/have kids) hand wringing that we see today in magazines is really a result of moving the bar so far out for what it takes to join the ranks of the middle class. And, of course, the raising expectation of what “middle class” living is.
what’s is your county up to?
prices here are flat,but they’ll have to raise taxes to pay BD pensions etc.
Isn’t it great that we have bigger and bigger government to “help” with:
Higher Education Costs
Medical Costs
Housing Costs
It is so much better than the bad old days when banks had to eat bad loans and colleges and hospitals could only charge what people could afford in a competitive market place…
Have we launched the ground invasion of Iran yet?
No “smaller government” or “lower taxes” happening there
I dunno. Ask obama. He controls the military.
How has his military “help” worked out in Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq so far?
Your buttboy Scott Walker (who promised a ground invasion of Iran on the day of his inauguration) is polling in third place in Iowa behind Trump and Ben Carson
Better start working those phones if you want your trillion dollar war
Moved out on my own in 1984.
Married in 1986. Should I have bought before that? No.
Decided to stay in the area where we have lived since in 1992. Should I have bought before that? No.
Waited for the late 1980s housing bubble to fully deflate. Should I have bought before that? No.
Bought in 1984. That is 10 years, not 6 years or 2.6 years. We put 40 percent down, and paid off the mortgage as soon as possible.
We have lived in the same place for 20 years. If that isn’t possible, if not likely, then should you buy? No.
What we knew then, it seems the younger generation has figured out now.
1994 was a good time to buy. Your circumstances allowed you to hit a good period of timing. Now shift everything forward 10 years and look at everything being exactly the same BUT facing 2004 prices instead of 1994 prices. And they were rising like crazy.
No, I think he bought in 1984. Then he says he really should have bought in 1994. Then he informs us that we all need to have a guaranteed 20-year job in the same place before we are allowed to buy.
In that case, the only people who could buy are government workers. And even that’s dicey. The job might be secure, but the office itself may move to a location with an intolerable commute.
Bought in 1994. My typo.
On the other hand, 1987, a year after we were married, was a terrible time to buy. And yet we had plenty of people telling us “buy now or be priced out forever!”
And prices collapsed to mid-1970’s levels when the bottom fell out in 1990.
“1994 was a good time to buy.”
True…if one had a stable job and the down payment.
Bought in 1984. That is 10 years, not 6 years or 2.6 years. We put 40 percent down, and paid off the mortgage as soon as possible ??
HA thinks your stupid for buying a depreciating shack…You should have just stayed home and lived in moms basement like him…Blue Skye thinks your stupid for borrowing money….From my lens, it appears like you made the correct decision…
You’re angry today Dave.
Oh, by the way, I was off on my own for 10 years before we bought.
My parents lived in a 2-family with my grandparents for 11 years before THEY bought.
“First-time buyers are paying a median price of $140,238, nearly 2.6 times their income. In the early 1970s, the starter home was just 1.7 times income.”
LBJ’s Great Society program put the housewife to work.
Not being able to buy a house at what may very well be the peak of another bubble isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Let the people who can afford to take the losses take them, and if they can’t afford the losses that everyone knows are coming, they shouldn’t be buying a house in the first place.
“to a stable career”
What’s a career? Most of us can barely get jobs much less line up the full roman cursus honorum treatment of a steady upward progression of jobs.
Five entry level jobs in thirty years isn’t a career. Its the modern American lifestyle but its not a career.
Careers seemed to disappear in the boomer era for most, as a Xer I don’t have a career and don’t personally know any Xers on a career path although I’m told they exist in legacy fields, and the millenials are and will be mostly un and under employed after graduation, much less have a career.
Once that research project is complete, we can try for stable career instead of merely any old career. I’m mystified where a stable career could even exist. Maybe in the employ of the government? I wouldn’t say military live defines stability, but maybe in some captured regulatory agency?
If you require a career to buy a house, you’re not going to sell many houses given the whole pyramid thing. Unless bosses have less than two direct reports, most people will never be a boss, obviously.
You could doublespeak newspeak the word career to mean “any job at all” but that waters down the value.
Fundamentally if you insist on pyramid structure of economy, unless you’re going full on Ponzi most people will obviously never have a career and if you go full on Ponzi it won’t be a stable career.
So is the article snarkily claiming no one should buy a house?
Reminds me of listening to overly picky single people claiming theres no fish in the sea because they can’t quite seem to find tenured professor retired astronaut part time platinum record recording championship college sports team singles in their home town, so they’ll just buy another cat for their empty house instead of dating.
“Five entry level jobs in 30 years is not a career.”
+1. And that works for STEM too.
“Five entry level jobs in thirty years isn’t a career. Its the modern American lifestyle but its not a career.”
The normal track, aside from a fortunate generation of two, is a quick rise in pay through middle age, as a worker gains some experience, followed by a flattening out.
And then getting downsized and taking jobs for less.
As an electrical engineer, I have had about a half-dozen entry-level jobs over the past 25 years. Now I’m too old to be considered for hiring by most of today’s companies.
It’s a completely different jobs landscape than it was back in the day. I fully expected to hire on at a major corporation and spend my entire career there, getting mentored and then becoming one.
Oh well . . .
Certainly each generation, starting with the back end of the Baby Boom, has been less well off than the one before.
https://larrylittlefield.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/donald-trump-the-man-of-his-generation/
With public sector generational inequities piling on.
work here
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Amazon-employees-reveal-companys-brutal-work-culture/articleshow/48499630.cms
Who buys a cat? I get them for free.
Yep, but sometimes free is $100 adoption fee and $50 worth of feed, litter, litter box, scoop, water bowl, feed bowl, and cat carier!
I still get some smug reactions from fracking areas
They act like their budgets are a -ok
There’s a new movie out called Blood or Oil, or something like that. I saw an ad for it while I was waiting for my sandwich today. It’s kind of funny because they must have conceived of the film when oil was still hot, and now it’s cratering at the same time that the movie is actually coming out.
Had a laugh yesterday. One of the DC news radio stations had its weekly segment with a local real estate agent. The subject was, “How to bid for a property.”
What made me laugh darkly was the agent’s suggestion that the real estate agent and lender speak directly, to get an understanding of the buyer’s finances.
I thought, “Wow. You can shear a sheep multiple times, but you can skin him only once. This is shearing the sheep, closely.”
The buyer’s real estate agent is not the buyer’s teammate. He’s on the seller’s team. His interests are opposite to the buyer’s in the most important category - price.
The seller is interested in getting as high a price as possible, his agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible and the “buyer’s” agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible. Why? Because those three make more money the higher the price is.
The buyer is interested in a lower price. None of those three aforementioned actors wants a lower price.The lender and RE agent speaking directly simply provides an insight into the maximum price the buyer can pay.
It’s extremely deceptive. And deception is the core component of fraud.
If someone has so little understanding of the game that they’d allow “their” real estate agent to speak with the lender to understand the maximum price the buyer can pay, yet they are prepared to spend north of half a million dollars (500K is the median price in DC), and get on the hook for well over a million - well, it’s startling.
This is the famous Milton Friedman quote: “there is one and only one social responsibility of business–to use it resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud.”
Without deception or fraud. Entirely too easy to ignore that last part.
These people are deliberately engaged in misrepresentation. They are involved directly in a crime.
I spent most of the past two weekends driving and listened to radio shows about real estate. House buying really. One was this station in Las Vegas, 720 AM. It’s a full court press. Urgency, scarcity. (They did get into shadow inventory and concluded it was the smart and good thing to do.) I noticed the majority of the talk was about loans.
I bet I heard “do it now”, and “I wouldn’t wait” every couple of minutes. We’re all consuming housing right now. Obviously what these people are interested in is churn. Transactions. OK, sales people will be sales people. But our economy has been hijacked by this stuff. Otherwise why does the financial media care if we rent a house or buy a house? I know the narrative; loan-owners buy more furniture, paint the walls. Is that really the basis of a strong economy?
The most important point of this past weekends post was this; a big shift into low down, government backed loans. FHA and VA; so we’re looking at 3.5% or less. Is it that hard to imagine these buyers being underwater in these circumstances? The last show was out of Phoenix. These two brothers ended the thing by going over their listings. One price reduction after another. The final one was in Gilbert, a 7 bedroom 8 bath, pool, everything. Originally priced at $1.9 million, now at $1.3 million. “Now that’s a motivated seller” one guy says.
I wonder where there is a house worth a million bucks in gilbert? I lived in gilbert about 10 years ago. It is mainly tract homes built on old farmland. I just dont remember seeing any million dollar homes around.
Gilbert 10 years ago is far from Gilbert now. Lots of building. LOTS of building. LOTS OF BUILDING. There’s lots of nice big houses with cool yards and pools and stuff on big lots. But I agree that none of it should be worth a million. The jobs don’t support it even the ones further away in downtown PHX. A bit of equity locusting going on.
“Otherwise why does the financial media care if we rent a house or buy a house? I know the narrative; loan-owners buy more furniture, paint the walls. Is that really the basis of a strong economy?”
The financial media is interested, of course, because the more buyers, the higher home prices go. The higher home prices go, the bigger the loan. And the bigger the loan, the more interest that they can collect. I understand their motives, while I find them despicable, it’s not hard to see where they are coming from.
Is that the basis of a strong economy? Well, IMHO, no way. However, when you think about it, all this house flipping/home buying is an “in country” activity that really can’t (yet) be outsourced to China. Higher a roofer, you’re going to be putting money in American pockets. Buy a new Xbox, you’re not putting much money in American pockets.
The thing that really makes me think when I see these bank rates is “What would the bank be doing if they couldn’t lay that risk off on others”? I wouldn’t loan a family member money for 30 years at 4%. Would any intelligent banker make that loan if they couldn’t push that risk (and the money tied up) to someone else? IMHO, not a chance in he**. And this is one of the big problems today with the housing market, interest rates are still unrealistically low, when they correct, prices will fall in proportion. That’s the huge downside that’s yet to come.
The economy is being propped up by low interest loans. For cars and for houses. Artificially low?
“The economy is being propped up by low interest loans.”
Certainly the case for the major items:
—Housing
—Transportation
—Education
—Health Care
Add in small businesses also? Cupcake and candle shops.
Otherwise why does the financial media care if we rent a house or buy a house?
Main reason:
House purchases is the proxy economic indicator of how many people working in stable careers.
Other smaller reasons:
Mortgages have a steady house payment, while rent goes up. More time in house –> more money each month to buy stuff.
Homeowners are stable families/less crime. Another proxy for a stable career (and the stable person to land that career job.)
Homeowners have a place to stay when they retire.
Homeowners can leave the house to their kids to live in. This worked well generations ago. The kids could get jobs in the same cities as their parents and take over the house with no mortgage payment (and buy stuff). It doesn’t apply now. The kids left for college, moved on to the hoppin’ cities like Denver and Austin, and never came back. Nobody want’s Dad’s wallpapered 3/1 in Milwaukee.
Donk,
Rent goes up and it’s still less than buying a depreciating shack at a grossly inflated price. Rents would have to double then some to reach the cost of a massive mortgage payment, interest and depreciation.
Why finance a depreciating asset for a lifetime when you can rent it for half the monthly cost?
And sewer hookup permits cost 49¢. We get it.
I think fxco is an easy 15K for just trying to build a house
$7600. About what it costs to install a septic tank. Net change, $0.
Oh yeah…. Heres the link
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpwes/wastewater/connectioncharge.htm
“Mortgages have a steady house payment, while rent goes up. More time in house –> more money each month to buy stuff.”
This will only be true in the future if the general credit expansion continues on relentlessly for decades to come. That will only happen if the average person has only just started to test their debt service capabilities. If tens of millions do not join the Oxide way, then it won’t happen.
The people I see in Starbucks in the DFW area being worked over by slick real estate agents definitely all look like low/no downpayment FHA/VA loan people.
Mostly young, overweight, tatooed, poor-ish looking. And this is in the “wealthy” northern suburbs.
Sometimes you see entire families, everyone on a laptop, all looking at real estate lsitings with an agent. Thay spend hours doing this, all the while nodding their heads in unison whenever the real estate agent speaks.
I wouldn’t sell these folks a pack of gum on credit, much less a house.
Debt Donkeys. Millions of them paid grossly inflated prices over the last 15 years. Not a one of them can evaluate the price of a house.
I’m trying to figure out why they would be doing these things in a Starbucks. The RE agent doesn’t have an office and the ppl don’t have a dwelling?
“I wouldn’t sell these folks a pack of gum on credit, much less a house.”
No problemo with “mo credik” Mel in the catbird seat.
“The seller is interested in getting as high a price as possible, his agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible and the “buyer’s” agent is interested in getting a high a price as possible. Why? Because those three make more money the higher the price is.”
And previous buyers - 63.4 percent of the population - are interested in the current buyer paying the highest price possible because high and rising prices mean high and rising wealth for everyone EXCEPT the buyer - however (and this is the really strange part) even the buyer wants prices to be high and rising because high and rising prices IS THE ATTRACTION. High and rising prices is what entices him to want to buy, entices him to want to “get in on the action”.
So … to boil it down a bit … most everyone wants high and rising prices and so high and rising prices is what you get (as long as the money is made available).
If you look around the poker table and don’t know who the sucker is …
My realtor company ran a joint operation with my mortgage lender, so I’m sure they discussed my finances. But I don’t see why it’s a big deal. Say you give the realtor a ballpark of $200K. That realtor already guesses that you’re qualified for more, and will show you a $300K house anyway. Does it really matter if you’re qualified exactly for $220K or $275K? If the buyer can’t resist the $300K house, that’s the buyer’s fault, not the realtor.
Silly Donk. Never show your hand.
Silly Donk! If the buyer’s agent can’t be trusted not to lead you awry, then go without one and save 3%.
The point is that it’s deceptive.
A purchase negotiation is a game where the buyer tries to bring the price down and the seller tries to bring the price up.
When you have someone ostensibly working for you, whose interests are in fact aligned with the seller, and who tips your hand to the seller, that costs the buyer money.
It’s little different than a car salesman working with the buyer’s lender to figure out the maximum the buyer can spend on the car.
‘The problems afflicting Castro’s Cuba were systemic and not so easily solved: while economic efficiency increased, the economy was still heavily dependent on Soviet subsidies. And when those were reduced to a trickle, and then finally ended with the Soviet implosion, popular discontent and “social deviancy” skyrocketed. Cuban Communism was in crisis.’
‘Castro reacted with his crazed “Rectification” campaign, a set of new policies that had three prongs. The first prong was an economic belt-tightening: imports were curbed along with consumption, and a strict rationing system was introduced.’
‘Secondly, the private market that had cautiously yet steadily grown up around the margins of the state-controlled economy was viciously assaulted and shut down: farmers’ markets were closed, small traders and other micro-scale businesses were outlawed, and even street vendors were swept off the sidewalks and alleyways of Cuba’s cities.’
‘The third prong of the “Rectification” crackdown was a renewed effort to instill Leninist dogmatism in every aspect of Cuban society. The Soviet reforms of the Gorbachev era were denounced as a “betrayal”: “It is disgusting,” fumed Castro, “that many in the Soviet Union are dedicating themselves to denying and destroying the historic feats and extraordinary merits of that heroic people.” The stern figure of Che Guevara was restored as the epitome of “socialist consciousness,” and the militarization of labor, coupled with fierce repression of the slightest ideological “deviancy,” was reintroduced. Moral hectoring replaced material incentives: Cubans must work for the glory of the Communist state without “selfish” desires for physical comforts.’
‘The reason for this was because the regime had no material comforts or rewards to offer: the Cuban economy was collapsing. Yet Castro persisted, driving the country into penury, otherwise known as the “special period.” It wasn’t until his illness and retirement, and the assumption of de facto power by brother Raul, that economic reform was instituted and the economy slowly improved.’
‘Opponents of normalization, such as the neocons’ favorite son Marco Rubio, don’t have a leg to stand on. The idea that the embargo does anything but reinforce the totalitarian rule of the Communist Party is now completely discredited. Bereft of the excuse that the “Yankee imperialists” are responsible for Cuba’s parlous condition, the regime is now being forced to move in the same direction that Gorbachev did – and the results will be quite similar, insofar as the Communist Party will be forced to give up its dictatorship. While they won’t go quietly – indeed, their accommodation of the need for political and economic change is an attempt to forestall the loss of their power – the Leninist project in Cuban is doomed, and they know it. What they are counting on is the possibility that decades of ideological indoctrination and nationalist sentiment will give them the edge when the one-party system finally gives way before the tides of history.’
‘If I were them, I wouldn’t count on it. Their only hope is that the Marco Rubios of this world will prevail, and the US embargo remains in place. Then they can point to external factors, rather than the abject failure of socialism, as the source of Cuba’s problems. This was Castro’s strategy, and they’ll fall back on it if they have to. However, the question is – why are the alleged anti-communists of the Rubio persuasion giving the Cuban communists this out?’
We used to talk about this in the 80’s. For instance, why do people in Mexico and central America go to such efforts to come to the United States? For decades! Do they not have democracy? Natural resources, capitalism? Do they not work so hard in Mexico? Why are they so damn poor down there? And wasn’t NAFTA supposed to fix all this?
This is why I can’t understand the socialists here in this country. Capitalism has given us everything we have, such that it is. The government doesn’t create anything. It only takes. Sure they may pass some of it around, but look at the result; inequality like we’ve never experienced. Record numbers on government assistance. It’s funny to me that pundits noted, “well China manipulates their stock markets but so does the west.” Yeah, and that’s the problem with command and control economies; it’s all a self-defeating bunch of BS.
To hear the command and controllers talk about it, the whole world would end if they let go of their end of the puppet strings.
And it is hard to find any evidence to the contrary, given the duration and pervasiveness of their influence.
I have lived in Central America for years.
They have abundant resources and friendly/hard working people.
The place should be a paradise.
They also have:
No freedoms as we know them. No freedom of speech, no right to bear arms, no right to privacy, etc.
No respect for private property. The rich and the poor will just take it. No one will enforce private property rights.
Massive corruption on every level of government.
High crime. The police are beyond corrupt.
Well why don’t we insist they fix their problems? If these immigrants couldn’t leave, they might grow a backbone and stand up to the PTB and get reform. I’ll repeat; why aren’t we asking what the heck is so wrong down south that millions of people leave?
Well why don’t we insist they fix their problems?
HA! A subject of many drinks at the local bars.
Throwing money at the problem just makes it worse.
The “conclusion” we arrived at is that you would have to send “white” Americans to run the place for a few generations until most of the corrupt generations had died off.
2banana’s Rule:
Economic opportunity + personal liberty + private property = A growing and vibrant economy
We have this in America (although it is quickly disappearing)
I saw the same in Afghanistan. Massive corruption and nothing gets done until a white American takes charge.
And FYI - “White” American describes pretty much any American who works hard, can organize and is not corrupt. NOT the color of the skin.
Most countries that were once colonies of Spain and Portugal have problems with bribery and corruption. English colonies inherited hundreds of years of English common law, whereas Latin countries inherited a legacy of harsh Catholic indoctrination. These kinds of issues can’t be solved overnight, if they can be solved at all.
Most countries that were once colonies of Spain and Portugal have problems with bribery and corruption. English colonies inherited hundreds of years of English common law, whereas Latin countries inherited a legacy of harsh Catholic indoctrination. These kinds of issues can’t be solved overnight, if they can be solved at all.
I guess the answer is to make the illegals become citizens so we can bask in their diversity.
And have no border ever again.
It is all good - as they all will vote democrat.
‘These kinds of issues can’t be solved overnight, if they can be solved at all’
I did a 180 on open borders after living a few miles from Mexico. It was much the same on the Texas border. Brownsville had 3 school superintendents in 3 years, all forced out for corruption. One had 22 secretaries, most of which were friends and relatives. I came to see it like this: once you get elected, it’s gravy time. The next guy gets in, it’s his turn. This was in a system with common law and not much influence from the church.
It’s a form of racism to say Mexicans can’t have a higher standard of living because they are Mexicans. Corruption can be rooted out anywhere. The fact is Mexico has a class system, benefiting a ruling caste at the expense of the masses. NAFTA did nothing to change this arrangement and possible entrenched it. IMO we are doing the poor people to the south an injustice to allow these countries to export their unemployment and social unrest.
“The fact is Mexico has a class system, benefiting a ruling caste at the expense of the masses.”
No doubt about that. Mexico’s privileged would rather keep the masses poor than live in a country they can be proud of. In that sense, we’re becoming more Mexican every day, and in this country, the people who dislike Mexicans the most are the ones the privileged class has the easiest time manipulating.
Much of the problem in Latin America is due to socialist ideology. Most people in these countries stil believe in socialism.
Much of the problem in Latin America is due to socialist ideology.
The primary driver of Latin American underperformance is their social caste structure, corruption in institutions, and few avenues for higher education. These problems dominate regardless if the presidente or dictator is “socialist” or not.
NAFTA did nothing to change this arrangement and possible entrenched it.
free trade doesn’t do much to change working conditions or the value of labor. it’s a wrong expectation. free trade does help to improve the standard of living though. but as i said, it won’t help wages at all.
IMO we are doing the poor people to the south an injustice to allow these countries to export their unemployment and social unrest.
correct. as you said above, they would be better off if they fixed their own problems. the truth is though, that they don’t know how. they won’t like to hear what needs to be done.
the pilgrims decided to share everything when they landed. you know, the communist way. it got worse every year for them. by year 3 they were all starving. finally they gave up and said it was every man for himself. everyone could keep whatever they produced. the starvation ended there. conditions continued to improve. i think that’s how bad things have to get before people in mexico (and elsewhere) will give up socialism. they will always want government to do more as conditions worsen. with more government power comes more corruption. they will continue to want more government help until it all falls in.
We’re importing all of Latin America’s ills. Comrad Pelosi must have her Permanent Democrat Supermajority.
+1 Ben!!
This is why I can’t understand the socialists here in this country. Capitalism has given us everything we have, such that it is.
Capitalism, like communism, have something in common: both have been tried and both have failed. North Korea is the last holdout for communism. The are no successful purely capitalist countries in existence. I suppose dirt poor countries like Sudan with no government, no services and subsistence economies might count as examples. When the U.S. had a pure capitalist economy in the 1800’s it was a disaster: lurching from one recession or depression from another. Several states defaulted.
The *only* proven economic system is the mixed economy — part capitalist and part socialist. Scanning down a list of the most prosperous countries — defined either as GDP or by standard of living — and all of them are mixed economies.
The government *does* create wealth — indirectly. Investments in infrastructure and scientific research create a multiplier effect. Electrification, space program, internet all started as government programs but opened the door to the private sector — there’s a huge amount of wealth that wouldn’t exist today without that government involvement.
A car engine cannot run on just air or gas — there is an optimum mixture of both. The economy is the same way, there is an optimum mixture of capitalism and socialism that creates maximum wealth. Even free-market darling Art Laffer admitted as much in his Laffer Curve: as taxes approach zero so does economic output.
‘there is an optimum mixture of capitalism and socialism that creates maximum wealth’
Elsewhere there’s a post saying it all has to do with being a former British colony. On this list of prosperous mixed economies, how many are non-anglo?
Some people are inclined to being told what to do. Take Canadians; they wallow in socialism, speak reverently of the Queen. It’s a nice place, but I couldn’t stand to live there.
This is the way it’s supposed to work. Each state can have it’s own set up, more or less. If Massachusetts want to be near-commie, let em. If California wants to be a welfare state, let em. If Arizona wants to make it easy to start a business and carry a gun, it their choice. And then let’s see who does better and people will gravitate to what suits them best.
Government creates wealth = a tick makes a dog run faster.
On this list of prosperous mixed economies, how many are non-anglo?
China, Japan, Brazil, and India are in the top 10. All of them mixed economies.
World’s largest corporation, Royal Dutch Shell, is based in the highly socialist Netherlands. Many of the largest corporations in the U.S. are based in New York or California — blue states.
let’s see who does better and people will gravitate to what suits them best.
That experiment’s already been done. That marvelous laboratory of free market trickle down called Kansas isn’t attracting businesses or people — in fact, people are moving out.
That experiment’s already been done. That marvelous laboratory of free market trickle down called Kansas isn’t attracting businesses or people — in fact, people are moving out.
Yes, and with a stronger federal government (rather than how this country was initially set up), we get to have the poor policies implemented at the national level such that we all suffer, rather than allowing for some states to make good decisions that hopefully influence others.
Yes, and with a stronger federal government (rather than how this country was initially set up), we get to have the poor policies implemented at the national level such that we all suffer, rather than allowing for some states to make good decisions that hopefully influence others.
… except it is well known that the Red States consume a disproportionate share of federal assistance. There is a price we all pay for “states rights” when they conduct these experiments that don’t work.
… except it is well known that the Red States consume a disproportionate share of federal assistance.
Do you think that someone like me supports our tax at federal level + redistribute to states model?
That isn’t an argument against my position. The tax+redistribute is part of the problem, and part of the mechanism the fedgov uses to cement it’s power. If states don’t enact laws that can’t be done at the federal level, the fed withholds funds. How is that in line with allowing states to determine how they wish to be run???
How is that in line with allowing states to determine how they wish to be run???
I’m saying states should not be allowed to do anything that they want because they can drag us all down. I’ll pick on a blue state this time: Illinois. For many years they made the bad decision to underfund their pensions, which causes the losses to grow exponential due to loss of compounding, and at some point down the line the state may have to default. If Illinois defaults the Feds will have no choice but to bail them out because it would hurt the credit rating of the U.S. as a whole. So we all pay for a state’s bad decisions. Therefore, there’s a national interest in not letting states get too crazy.
“If Illinois defaults the Feds will have no choice but to bail them out because it would hurt the credit rating of the U.S. as a whole.”
I doubt that Illinois would be bailed out. Detroit straightened out it’s mess by filing for bankruptcy. I don’t know if that’s an option for a state, but an option may need to be created.
If Illinois defaults the Feds will have no choice but to bail them out because it would hurt the credit rating of the U.S. as a whole. So we all pay for a state’s bad decisions.
You’re arguing that we *should* all pay for a state’s bad decisions. I’d argue against that — Illinois should be allowed to fail, just as bad banks should be allowed to fail.
If we don’t allow failure, how can we possibly hope to identify success? Answer: we can’t, which is why our system is so f’n busted at this point.
“That experiment’s already been done. That marvelous laboratory of free market trickle down called Kansas isn’t attracting businesses or people — in fact, people are moving out.”
But WPA, please understand, that’s what Kansas wants! If Kansas cut the freebies, then the freeloaders will either have to get a real job, or move to a blue state which still hands out freebies. Filter out the refuse, and Kansas will become a utopia of self-reliant hard working people.
Excellent,that has worked in va for many years
Deadbeats move to dnc maryland
Now ,not so simple
China, Japan, Brazil, and India are in the top 10. All of them mixed economies.
and all would be better off with more capitalism.
“Capitalism, like communism, have something in common: both have been tried and both have failed.”
‘cuz yer once…
‘cuz yer once…
A trademark of a simple mind is repetition. You might want to visit a home for Alzheimer’s patients — you can tell the same joke every day, over and over again, and they will laugh every time.
twice
“You might want to visit a home for Alzheimer’s patients”
What’s your address?
Good afternoon, Oddfellow.
both have been tried and both have failed.
which country has failed at capitalism?
The government doesn’t create anything. It only takes.
The government provides those very property rights that banana was raving about. The government also provides and sustains the “hundreds of years of common law,” which constantly prevents systemic corruption from taking root. Not to mention protections and a lot of prevention.
Government is an organization chosen to do certain functions. Its only power is force, therefore the less of it the better. Individuals develop laws, not the government. Like WPA, some think anything done “collectively” has some magic mojo going for it.
The government provides those very property rights
The government may _enforce_ them, but it doesn’t provide them. A subtle point, but very much the basis of the philosophy behind our method of government.
Property rights are inalienable, unless someone with a lot of money wants to put an oil pipeline through your back yard.
unless someone with a lot of money wants to put an oil pipeline through your back yard.
And who helps them do that? Government, of course, via eminent domain. Funny, that….
@drumminj.. excellent points throughout.
‘In the housing bubble, prices rose beyond all reason. In the bust, they fell even more than they had risen. For a long time since then, they recovered in fits and starts.’
‘Recently, however — as is fitting in a saner real estate market — house prices have been rising in line with personal income and other economic fundamentals in local areas. But a return to a more stable growth pattern does not mean that housing will once again become the economic engine it was in the decades before the bubble.’
‘One reason is that millions of homeowners still owe hundreds of billions of dollars more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.’
‘One solution for many troubled borrowers would be to modify their loan terms. But as Gretchen Morgenson of The Times reported recently, banks are still unwilling to modify loans, despite rules imposed by regulators and legal settlements after the bust that were supposed to make it easier and fairer for borrowers to obtain relief.’
‘Another reason that housing cannot propel the economy the way it once did is the growing inequality in incomes. That home prices are increasing in tandem with income is a sign of stability. But only investment income has been rising steadily in the recovery, while wages from work have stagnated.’
‘One result is that buying a home is still out of reach for many working people, particularly those who would have been first-time buyers in a healthier economy. Another result is that builders have largely focused on higher-end homes, leading to a low inventory of new starter homes.’
‘The situation is evidence of the unrepaired damage from the bust. Aggressive intervention to provide debt relief and create good jobs is still needed, but has not been forthcoming. It is not too late for remedial steps, if only the political consensus to take them could be found.’
‘American Home & Hardware announced Friday it is closing its home interior outlet, located a short distance from the main store at the corner of Main and Bridge streets. American Home & Hardware’s main store will remain open.’
‘Harry Brown, owner of the 91-year-old lumber, hardware and home supply company, said he thought about closing the outlet for a couple of years. He finally pulled the trigger last week and announced the news to his employees. “It’s just sad,” he said, repeating what one of his employees said when he announced the news.’
‘Opened in 1924 as Elkton Supply Company, over the years the business operated under two trade names, American Home & Hardware and American Home Interiors, to serve builders, remodelers, and homeowners in the Maryland, Delaware and Pennsylvania area.’
‘The decision to shutter the 27-year-old American Home Interiors building will allow American Home & Hardware to consolidate some of the interior’s store lines, such as cabinetry, into the main store. At the same time, it will cut the overhead expenses of maintaining two separate facilities, Brown said.’
“The world has changed and we’ve reinvented ourselves many times before,” he added. “This is just a reaction to the marketplace.”
‘Brown lamented that the real estate market hasn’t fully recovered in Cecil County yet.
“Not very many new homes are being built and there’s more competition than there was in 1988 when Harry Hammond and I opened American Home Interiors,” he said.’
‘When the housing bubble burst in about 2007, Brown employed 115 people. “I now have 72 employees, and I won’t be able to keep all five of the employees who currently work at the home interiors store,” he noted. “I’ve already told them so they have time to look for another job.”
‘Hammond retired several years ago, but he and Brown still own the building that houses American Home Interiors at 207 S. Bridge St. and will be putting it on the market. Brown hopes to be out of the American Home Interiors building by the end of October.’
“We’ve been selling off our appliances for a few months now,” he said.’
‘A lot of the merchandise in the American Home Interiors building can’t be relocated into the existing store, so Brown is offering bargains to move out as much as he can. “We will still be carrying cabinets, just not as many lines,” he said. “The appliances and flooring are going.”
‘Whitfield’s problem actually began in 2005, when her mother fell prey to one of the mortgage industry’s most notorious types of loan — the reverse mortgage — typically advertised on late-night infomercials and endorsed by national celebrities.’
‘Documents from legal filings show that Whitfield’s mother, Betty Cook, then 71, borrowed from Financial Freedom, a reverse mortgage marketer based in Austin, Texas. She received $18,633 to pay off the outstanding mortgage on the house, relieving her of making any more house payments during her lifetime, and she received a check for $6,386 in cash, according to legal filings. But the lender immediately tacked on up-front fees, pushing the total that Cook owed to nearly $38,000. By the time she died five years later and the lender moved to foreclose, the amount owed had ballooned with interest to almost $60,000.’
‘“I believe she was a victim of predatory lending. The seniors are sucked into this crap,” Whitfield said, seated on crumbling concrete steps to the house she calls home. So, what did her mom do with the $6,386 in cash?’
“I have no idea,” she said, speculating that it might have gone toward repairs on the house.’
“Dawn to dusk, we’ll have people in front of that house,” said David Mitchell, 34, of Detroit. To mark the battle zone, Mitchell and other volunteers have erected fencing on weedy lots next to Whitfield’s house, covering it with kids’ murals and slogans: “Justice, Not Eviction.” “Foreclosure-Free Zone.” “Black Homes Matter.” “Black Women Matter.”
‘They predict that if a bank puts Whitfield out, the house will be stripped and perhaps burned within days, setting the city another step back in trying to revive its declining neighborhoods. Neighbors can vouch for that.’
“If they evict her at noon, by midnight that house will be stripped,” said Michelle Dexter, 48, who lives across the street from Whitfield.’
‘The irony is that Whitfield, 56, missed an opportunity to purchase the house. But she has a steady job and has since twice offered to buy the property. Trying to buy a home valued at $9,000, Whitfield has repeatedly been to court and faced the same mortgage financing giant that American taxpayers spent billions of dollars bailing out just a few years ago.’
Sign stupid papers - win stupid prizes.
Do stupid things (like arson) - win a jail prize.
“I have no idea,” she said, speculating that it might have gone toward repairs on the house.’
I beleive this to be a lie. If it is true then screw her for not being involved with her elderly mom.
““If they evict her at noon, by midnight that house will be stripped.”
Let them strip the house, and the lender won’t get back anywhere near the amount they loaned when they take the house back. That would be the best revenge.
The house is worth $9k, but Betty got about $25k for it, and $60k is owed? Sounds like fraud.
‘Financial services giant Goldman Sachs has invested $150 million (Rs 978 crore) to buy a minority stake in Piramal Realty, the privately held real estate arm of Ajay Piramal-led diversified firm Piramal Enterprises Ltd, the company said on Monday.’
‘The proceeds would be used to expand the company’s current real estate portfolio and acquire prime properties in and around Mumbai.’
‘Meanwhile, the company has announced a special scheme for home buyers under ‘Piramal Assurance’. As per the plan, the company will offer to buy back any residential unit from a customer at a five per cent discount to the market value until possession if a buyer is not satisfied.’
‘What is interesting is even when real estate market is going through a slump, private capital has continued to flow in.’
Too many Yellen bucks circling the globe. Can’t get price discovery with GS running around buying up shacks and UHS.
From Drudge but still interesting….
Hmmm…How to invest?
Cash? Gold? A farm and a gun?
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As Central Banks Lose Control, Doomsday Clock For Global Market Crash Strikes One Minute To Midnight
Now The End Begins | 16 Aug 15 | Geoffrey Grider
China currency devaluation signals endgame leaving equity markets free to collapse under the weight of impossible expectations
When the banking crisis crippled global markets seven years ago, central bankers stepped in as lenders of last resort. Profligate private-sector loans were moved on to the public-sector balance sheet and vast money-printing gave the global economy room to heal.
Time is now rapidly running out. From China to Brazil, the central banks have lost control and at the same time the global economy is grinding to a halt. It is only a matter of time before stock markets collapse under the weight of their lofty expectations and record valuations.
Not all Drudge links are created equal
But remember, always remember, that every time you click on a Weekly Standard link, you are pulling a Shekel out of the United States Treasury (borrowed from communist China) and putting it in William Kristol’s pocket
And you may think you’re a conservative, you may think you’re a Christian, but in William Kristol’s eyes, all you’ll ever be is a stupid f*ing goyim
Thanks GOP.
Only bigger and bigger government, with more and more government spending can save us…
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More Government Spending Equals Higher Prices
Capitol Confidential | 8/15/2015 | Jarrett Skorup
A news article in The Wall Street Journal notes that a view long held by most economists is increasingly being accepted by other scholars and policymakers across the board. Increasing federal aid for higher education, intended to make college more affordable, is driving up prices and making it more unaffordable.
The federal government has boosted aid to families in recent decades to make college more affordable. A new study from the New York Federal Reserve faults these policies for enabling college institutions to aggressively raise tuitions.
The implication is the federal government is fueling a vicious cycle of higher prices and government aid that ultimately could cost taxpayers and price some Americans out of higher education, similar to what some economists contend happened with the housing bubble.
The new Federal Reserve study found that every $1 in federal grants and loans increased tuition by between 55 and 65 cents.
Even with a paid off mortgage - you never own your house. You just rent it from the state.
And public union goon pensions will be paid. And they support democrats 99-1.
Long term democrat rule + public union goons + huge free sh*t army = bankruptcy, misery and ruin
And as a FYI - I have friends with nothing special houses on a 1/4 acre lots in NJ. Property taxes are $15-20K a year.
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The 10 worst states for property taxes
The Fiscal Times - Yuval Rosenberg - August 14, 2015
Residents of the Garden State are paying a whole lot for their gardens, according to a new analysis of property tax rates by the Tax Foundation.
Property taxes in the U.S. are a complicated patchwork of different policies set by states, cities and counties as well as local school boards, fire departments and utility commissions. Those differences — and the added complexity of valuing property — can make it difficult to arrive at apples-to-apples comparisons of property tax rates.
To cut through all those variables and map out where property tax rates are highest, the Tax Foundation looked at effective tax rates on owner-occupied housing. “This is the average amount of residential property tax actually paid, expressed as a percentage of home value,” the foundation’s Jared Walczak wrote in a blog post Thursday. The calculations exclude property taxes paid by businesses, renters and others. You can see how your state stacks up on the map below.
Keep in mind also that property taxes are just one part of your total tax bill. “Some states with high property taxes, like New Hampshire and Texas, rely heavily on property taxes in lieu of other major tax categories; others, like New Jersey and Illinois, impose high property taxes alongside high rates in the other major tax categories,” Walczak explains.
Here are the 10 states with the highest effective property tax rates for homeowners:
State Tax Rate
New Jersey 2.38%
Illinois 2.32%
New Hampshire 2.15%
Connecticut 1.98%
Wisconsin 1.96%
Texas 1.90%
Nebraska 1.84%
Michigan 1.78%
Vermont 1.71%
Rhode Island 1.67%
Are these the same public union goons who fix your roads, fight your fires, patrol your streets, and purify your water? Should people provide these services for free, and just eat cat food when they retire? If you want to live in a cabin in the woods that’s fine, but it sounds like what you really want is for other people to pay for the services you benefit from.
+1000 Dman. Whenever a conservative politician says “lower taxes” what he really means is “my corporate donors want to transfer part of their tax bill to the federal deficit so the entire population will pay for it with treasury bonds.”
twice…
Was “social justice” achieved when Jesse Jackson shaked down Anheuser-Busch and got his kidz the largest beer distributorship in Chicago?
How much social justice was there when Scott Walker committed hundreds of millions of dollars to pay for a sports arena for billionaires to profit from?
Are these the same public union goons who fix your roads, fight your fires, patrol your streets, and purify your water?
Technically, no. These were the public union goons who fixed, fought, patrolled, and purified 20-30 years ago. Past tense.
But that’s another way that the baby boomers benefited they they won’t admit. They got those services 20-30 years ago for a lower price, because those workers took a lower salary at the time in exchange for the retirement.
Re: Taxes in ILLANNOY!!
Don’t move here - you won’t like it.
You have to live here to really understand how bad it is.
This is the home of the future library of Barack HUSSEIN obamao!!!
Murder rate continues to escalate.
Potholes, labor unions and fiscal malaise and debt -
A veritable utopian paradise.
“Obamao plots life after presidency”
The only thing this guy is gonna plot is how his babysitters tell him what to do and where the next golf game is gonna be with Bubba.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/us/politics/with-high-profile-help-obama-plots-life-after-presidency.html?_r=0
Full Story at Reuters…….
This thing is DOA……
Madigan and Cullerton will be sending Rauner back to revamp this thing again and again - thereby just grinding on him til he gives in. It is the ILLANNOY and Chicago way after all.
CHICAGO, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner unveiled on Monday a revamped bill to freeze local property taxes that hopes to woo Democratic votes by boosting funding for financially struggling school districts, particularly the Chicago Public Schools (CPS).
The measure couples a two-year tax freeze with a $74 million increase in state funding for high-poverty school districts and the creation of a commission to change Illinois’ school funding formula. The state would contribute $200 million a year for two years toward pension and healthcare costs at CPS without a reduction in the district’s $600 million state grant funding, according to the Republican governor.
William Kristol’s eyes, all you’ll ever be is a stupid f*ing goyim
It may be true.
But William Kristol will never send to public union thug with a gun to take my house (to fund pensions) and to make sure I paid my obamacare taxes (to fund health care for illegals). All to make sure he gets the votes.
And that my friend, is the difference.
I can make the choice never to read another Weekly Standard article again and William Kristol can do nothing about it.
And speaking of Drudge links and stupid f*ing goyim, there is a link on Drudge right now titled “ISIS ‘Mein Kampf’ Blames Israel for Global Terrorism”
There is no “smaller government” there
There are no “less regulations” happening
And there will be no “lower taxes” as a result
Just more blood, more borrowing, more death
Click that link and you deserve everything you get
Ironic how many on this board blame Israel for Global Terrorism too.
What is that saying again…something about two birds…
blame Israel
No, blame Christian Zionists and the people they elect
ISIS are, to put it succinctly, loosers
Christian Zionists have a taxpayer funded $600,000,000,000+ a year war machine
Christian Zionists have sex with their daughters and their siblings. Christian Zionists speak in tongues and roll around on the floor of their church having convulsions. Christian Zionists believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
And they want to start a few more trillion dollar wars because that’s what God wants. That and tax cuts for billionaires.
FoxNewsHate leads with more Hillary email scandal now
But below that, is a link titled “Iranian video game simulates missile strikes on Israeli cities”
The national debt is over eighteen trillion dollars
Is Mike Huckabee a United States citizen? Or is he an agent of a foreign country?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/251223-huckabee-headed-to-israel-to-discuss-insane-iran-deal
That’s Mike CUCKabee to you, goy.
The American taxpayer bends over and gets plowed by Bibi
Huckabee and his flock of daughter diddlers get Raptured to heaven
Sounds like a win/win to me
Real journalists at the New York Times reluctantly report “Without Release of Video, Police Shooting of White Driver Gets Less Publicity”
70% of black children in America are born out of wedlock
But real journalists don’t like to talk about that, because it doesn’t script the narrative
It’s only 10am east coast time, the “progressives” who get paid to post here aren’t awake yet, they don’t clock in for their Monday shift until noon
Free tines a maidy.
Hahaha. Still sleepin cause he spent all night wookin for nub in all the wrong places.
13% of Americans infected with HIV are unaware they are infected
Vote for Obama twice, and that’s what you get
As of 4 years ago, 30% of Americans still think that Saddam Hussein attacked us on 911. These are the same folks who think the earth is 6,000 years old and that Obama was born in Kenya. Vote for W. twice, and that’s what you get, or rather, let morons vote, and what you get is W.
“wookin for nub”
I thought it was wookin PUH nub.
BTW, you’re the one that started this with your Three Times a Lady post. Brilliant. I just ran with it.
“70% of black children in America are born out of wedlock”
Gotta wonder what percentage of ‘em were tricks?
Reposting The Don’s immigration position from yesterday. My thanks to Joe.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Whether you do or don’t like Trump, this is very good.
The Donald lives in the empty skulls of LIEberals, rent-free.
The “progressives” who get paid to post on HBB are overflowing their adult diapers in fear of The Donald
I haven’t decide which candidate I will donate my time, $$$ and expertise to. It will be whichever candidate that plans to export illegals, end the fed and slash SS and Pentagon and everything in between.
I’m still trying to figure out what was so bad about Huey Long.
Oh, right. Demagogue. God forbid anyone would want to do something for citizens who are taking it in the shorts.
I do believe you are correct.
The FSA votes.
And socialists in power want to keep and gather more power.
That is all you really need to know.
Whether you do or don’t like Trump, this is very good.
It sucks. It’s just base-rallying with simple ideas to reach out to those who read at an 8th grade level. It’s pablum for the AM radio crowd. A vote for Trump is a vote for the oligarchy.
And a vote for a “progressive” is a vote to exterminate whitey
You should stop sippin on sizzurp for breakfast yo
..free tines a maidy.
+1
Make it a felony to hire an illegal, and immigration will grind to a halt overnight. Talk about building fences and deporting people is like throwing slop to the pigs.
The average American reads at the seventh-grade level, and Americans are far more educated than the average Earthling.
Law enforcement costs money. How much money is Trump estimating and where does it come from?
From Trump’s site:
“Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.”
No one else is saying that.
Companies have become very good at getting politicians and journalists to talk about the “skills gap” when what they really mean is wage gap. Pay someone less to do the same job and your executive bonus will be even bigger.
Make H1-Bs for the workers only — no parents and NO wives allowed not even for visits. You want to see your family? Get skype and plane tickets on your own dime. H1B will slow to a trickle overnight.
“Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement.
Business like a worker surplus so this will never happen with either skilled H1-B or illegal labor.
We don’t need a wall. There are 2000 miles along the US-Mexico border.
Want to protect the border and save money? Position one US soldier every 1/10th of a mile along the border. That would require 20k troops. Stagger another soldier in between those 20k, 1/10th of a mile behind the first 20k. Now we’re up to 40k.
Where would we get the troops to do this?
There are 10k+ troops in Afghan/Iraq, 80k in Asia, 60k in Europe, and 1M here in the US.
I’ll be sure to enter that as a cost savings.
Eisenhower already did this with no wall and no stationed troops.
“I won’t stand for standing behind things I don’t know if I stand for or not. I will make a decision soon depending how it affects the 95% of black votes for democrats.”
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Bernie Sanders backs away from campaign’s apology to #blacklivesmatter
americanthinker.com | 8/17/2015 | Thomas Lifson
The Soros-funded #blacklivesmatter movement is a big problem for the Democrats, and Bernie Sanders just stumbled over it. Failure to grovel risks dampening the extraordinary black turnout necessary for Democratic victories in many states. But excessive groveling (say, apologizing for saying, “All lives matter,” as Martin O’Malley did) makes the candidate look like a PC wuss, nobody to entrust the nation’s security to.
Appearing on Meet the Press, Bernie Sanders in effect pleaded incompetence as a leader for his campaign’s apology letter that made its way to Buzzfeed. Amber Ferguson reports in the Huffington Post:
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) says he was not the person who sent an apology email to Black Lives Matter activists and believes an apology is unnecessary.
Michael Brown robbed a convenience store and attacked a cop
Eric Garner was murdered by NYPD
But when you’re a “progressive” these events are indistinguishable
Got Arizona Iced Tea brand watermelon fruit punch, Skittles, and promethazine with codeine?
Michael Brown robbed a convenience store and attacked a cop True.
Eric Garner was murdered by NYPD True.
But when you’re a “progressive” these events are indistinguishable False. There is no grand agreement among the left that Brown was innocent. However, it is undeniable there is a problem with overly-aggressive militarized police. And it’s not just black people who suffer from it.
While you may distinguish that difference, the 99% of Facebook slacktivists that are the “base” of progressive politics can’t do that
I saw Straight Outta Compton on opening day. In the scenes of the Rodney King verdict riots in Los Angeles, there were lots of white people “demonstrating” and carrying signs
Because that’s what “progressives” do, they rewrite history, just like Stalin
Neocons want to invade and destroy other countries, but progressives want to destroy this country from the inside out
You and others here sure spend a lot of time parsing the differences in racial episodes.
Because the “progressive” media airs a photograph of Trayvon Martin taken when he was 11 years old, not the teenage thug with previous burglary arrests who was high on promethazine with codeine when he assaulted that “creepy ass cracker”
Scripting a narrative
That’s what progressives do
P.S. there are more black people living in my apartment building than in your entire zip code, because progressives are segregationists and racists
So every pathetic white loser who wants to play cop is entitled to kill at least one black kid? There are many ways in which some black people harm themselves, and many of them never had a chance to begin with, but they shouldn’t have to go through life wondering if some real or pretend cop is going to murder them.
Then, Dman, their mommas better teach them one thing:
Obey the cop.
Pretty simple, right?
But why so hard to do in reality?
Hmmm . . . .
eric gardner was NOT murdered by the police…….it was a suicide by cop…..he was extremely obese asthma useless and he resisted arrest…. he could have manned up and stood still and took his medicine quietly…. (getting handcuffed)
I highly doubt that Eric Gardner woke up that morning hoping that he would be strangled to death by a cop that day.
Donald Trump Tells His Biggest Lie By Claiming To Break Bernie Sanders’ Crowd Records
“The truth is that Trump isn’t breaking any records. His biggest crowd was a little over 4,000 in Las Vegas. Sanders set the record last weekend when 28,000 came out to see him in Portland, OR. Trump’s best crowd is about seven times less than the Sanders record.
The media isn’t bothering to fact check Trump. He is making it all up as he goes along, and no one is challenging him.”
…and I, uh, never mind.
Big crowds aren’t going to see Trump because they all have real jobs
The progressive rent-a-mob at the Sanders speeches have trust funds or work at some sh*tty nonprofit trying to fundraise to pay for Cecil the lion to have a sex change operation
Many of Trump’s supporters could never be away from their TV’s long enough to go to a campaign rally anyway.
Free Shit Army rent-a-mobs are cheap. None of the work.
In all fairness, he was ambushed by two fat women during a speech.
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Market timer Tom McClellan sees stocks set up for ‘ugly decline’ as early as Thursday
MarketWatch | August 17, 2015 | Tomi Kilgore
McClellan is bullish today, but he expects definitive peak in stocks between Aug. 20 and Aug. 26
Tom McClellan loves doing what financial advisers tell you not to do. He tries to time the financial markets — to the exact day, if his charts align just right.
At the moment, they are telling him to be bullish on the stock market for all of his trading time frames, including those that trade every few days, weeks and months. But bulls should be ready to flee, as soon as this week.
That’s because McClellan said his timing models suggest “THE” top in stocks will be hit some time between Aug. 20 and Aug. 26. He expects “nothing good for the bulls for the rest of the year,” he said in a phone interview with MarketWatch.
McClellan doesn’t have a strong view on how far stocks could fall, just that it will probably be an “ugly decline” lasting into early 2016. The good news is that his models suggest it should not be as bad as the 2007-to-2009 bear market, when the S&P 500 Index SPX, -0.37% plunged as much as 57%, or the 2000-to-2002 selloff when the index plummeted 49%.
As long as corporations have access to cheap money to buyback stocks the party seems to continue on.
Uncle FED will keeps rates low for the buyback binge and food stamp checks.
Salem, OR Housing Prices Crater 8% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/salem-or/market-trends/
how is your depreciating tuff shed in your parents back yard holding up?
Warmist Warming Monday
Commie rag the UK Guardian reports on how FoxNewsHate lies about warmism:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/aug/17/fox-news-inner-struggle-with-climate-misinformation
And now back to your regularly scheduled Drudge Report links
Before it was “Camp David” the presidential retreat was “Shangri La” (FDR). Ike named it “Camp
David” for his grandson.
Does anyone think that obamao would rename Camp David for his dead father?
Which one?
If I had a camp, it would look like David.
Oakton, VA Housing Prices Fall 8% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/oakton-va/market-trends/
Goon:
You guys play Ten Years After in your shop?
Man if you don’t pull up a copy of A Space in Time - if you want to hear Alvin Lee in his prime - I think your patrons would like this music alot - jsut great to hear it again!!!
Grateful Dead Europe ‘72 is in heavy rotation lately around here
http://wolfstreet.com/2015/08/16/housing-affordability-san-francisco-bay-area-plunges-stocks-interest-rates-to-trigger-epic-bust/
The median house price in San Francisco has jumped 103% since the first quarter 2012 to $1.35 million in July; the median condo price has jumped 74% to $1.125 million. These aren’t palaces; condos include 1-bedroom and smaller units!
And incomes in San Francisco, it turns out, haven’t soared in lockstep (the Census Bureau pegged the median household income at $75,604 in 2013 though it has risen since). A similar scenario has played out in other Bay Area counties. And thus housing affordability has plunged. “Housing crisis” – that’s what a lot of people call it.
The Housing Affordability Index (HAI) for the 2nd quarter, just released by the California Association of Realtors, shows that only the top 10% of households in San Francisco can afford to buy a median house, and this despite historically low mortgage rates!
u cant go wrong with CA real estate.
What ever happened to Taco bell Jeff form SDCIA ?
Bethesda, MD Housing Prices Fall 6%
http://www.movoto.com/bethesda-md/market-trends/
Does the low volume in stocks make it easier for corporations to keep their stock moving higher?
Worthless housing… worthless worthless housing. Housing is more worthless with each passing day.
home depot case study:
treasury stock 2011= $3.19 billion 2015 $26.19 billion
long term debt 2011= $8.71 billion 2015 $16.87 billion
shareholder equity 2011=$18.893 billion 2015 $9.32 billion
shares outstanding 2011 = 1.65 billion 2015 =1.34 billion shares = 310 million shares out of float in 4 years
Treasury stock value increased $23 billion over the 4 years
23,000,000,000 / 310 million shares = $74.2 / share avg price
Just looking at the charts looks like hd stock in 2011 averaged about 55.00, in 2015 110.00
55+110 /2 = 82.5 average price of two years pretty amazing how the $74.2 and $82.5 are so close isn’t it?
Can u see the game?
When you click on a Drudge link, you’re just scripting a narrative, their narrative
Same to be said about anybody who gets their “news” from a television
This is 2015 now, wake the f* up!
P.S. track 6 is China Cat Sunflower
And track 10 is Ramble On Rose
No challenge poses a greater threat to our future and future generations than?
……….communists, socialists and their Free $hit Fable.
Exxon, Monsanto, Isreal and the billionaire moocher-scammers!