The Increasingly Common Notion That A Bubble Is Forming
The News Press reports from Florida. “Single-family-home permits spiked up sharply to 2006 levels in Cape Coral in August. Even the recent turmoil in the stock market and the global economy hasn’t deterred prospective home owners, said Bob Knight, president of Cape Coral-based Paul Homes. ‘There’s still movement forward to do the houses,’ he said. ‘The people who are talking to us aren’t even bringing it up. The key will be that it will last as long as they’re able to sell their homes up north.’”
The New York Daily News. “Most real estate developers dread stock market volatility. This one’s making bank off of it. Rather than converting the building into a high-end boutique condo, like almost every other developer has done with their properties in recent years, development giant Thor Equities, headed by Joe Sitt, decided to keep it as a rental. ‘A lot of people are renting while they wait for the market to soften a little bit,’ said the project’s listing broker, Karen Stone of Town Residential.”
“The buyers that Stone describes can comfortably afford to buy a luxury condo but they’re opting to try to outsmart the market, which has become flooded in recent months with uber luxe condo units, by holding onto their cash for just a little bit longer. Their reluctance to buy stems from the increasingly common notion that a bubble is forming in the very top end of the market. With global demand for luxury product being called into question in light of the economic volatility in countries such as China and Greece, they suspect that a long-awaited correction in the market may soon come to their aid — making that apartment they’ve been eying a whole lot cheaper.”
“‘No one wants to go in their pocket when the market’s down 500 points,’ said Andy Gerringer of the new development firm the Marketing Directors. ‘Our economy is dependent and psychologically driven by the stock market. When there’s uncertainty, people freeze. They end up staying on hold to watch the way the wind is blowing.’”
The San Francisco Business Times in California. “Justin Fichelson, one of the stars of Bravo’s ‘Million Dollar Listing San Francisco,’ weighed in on a hot topic these days: the direction of the Bay Area housing market. Given the over-sized role that new startup-driven wealth plays in Bay Area housing prices, Fichelson says it’s possible a slower pace of appreciation due to turbulence in tech stocks could actually spur more sales. (So strong is the tie between Wall Street and the fortunes of the Bay Area that a real estate agent once asked to share his outlook for Bay Area luxury home values responded, ‘You’re asking me to predict the stock market.’)”
“‘We’re definitely slowing down. Instead of seeing 30 percent appreciation, home owners may see 10 to 15 percent appreciation,’ Fichelson said, echoing Zillow’s assessment last week. ‘Initial public offerings have definitely seen a slowdown. There are not as many buyers writing checks for multi-million-dollar homes — so the high-end luxury homes will take a bit longer to sell and will most likely see some price reductions.’”
From Montana Public Radio. “The construction sector in Montana’s oil patch counties has been strong throughout the oil boom, but University of Montana economist Patrick Barkey is hesitant to predict how long that may last: ‘From the data we have, we don’t yet see any catastrophic impacts of the decline in oil prices from where they were a year ago - cut by anywhere from 50 percent to 60 percent - but really that reveals the inadequacy of our data. We are certainly hearing plenty of reports of construction projects being halted and of workers moving, but we haven’t yet seen them show up in the data. We expect some of them will be.’”
The Philadelphia Inquirer in Pennsylvania. “The developer of the luxury Parke Place townhouse project in the 1300 block of Bainbridge Street has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection but says he remains ‘100 percent committed’ to completing the work there. In an interview, Donovan Clarke, of Clarke Real Estate Development L.L.C., of Philadelphia, attributed his decision to file for Chapter 11 reorganization to a ‘timing issue’ with his lender.”
“Since Clarke unveiled the project in November 2013, three of Parke Place’s 22 4,300-square-foot units have gone to settlement, all in 2014. Those townhouses sold for $1.1 million, $1.12 million, and $1.225 million, according to Trend Multiple Listing Service. Three other sales are pending, for $1.25 million, $1.299 million, and $1.4 million. Five more townhouses are either temporarily off the market or withdrawn from the market, Trend MLS data show.”
“The units feature the open floor plan desired by young urban buyers and empty nesters. Mickey Pascarella, of Keller Williams Real Estate in Center City, said prices in Hawthorne range from $155,000 for studio-sized condos to $800,000 for a single-family home with parking. Clarke’s townhouses, though larger than many, are priced about 40 percent higher than the average, Pascarella said. ‘It was unfortunate this happened,’ Clarke said of his problem with Parke Place, ‘but I believe we have found a partner with whom we can get this done.’”
The Pioneer Press on Illinois. “When David Schuster put his home in Highland Park on the market earlier this year, he naturally hoped it would move quickly. As months passed without any nibbles, Schuster concluded that the appearance of a long-vacant house next door was putting off prospective buyers. Neighbors say the home has been empty for more than 3 years without any signs of an effort to market the property. ‘This house is holding our community hostage,’ Schuster told the Highland Park City Council in July. ‘I know this isn’t the only house that has been abandoned for a period of time, but I’ve been told by [city officials] that it is one of the longer ones in the neighborhood.’”
“But city administrators say they can’t force lending institutions to speed up the foreclosure process or sell homes that have become bank-owned after foreclosure sales. ‘They want to hang onto that property until prices recover sufficiently,’ said Joel Fontane, the city of Highland Park’s director of community development. ‘This is the shadow inventory that is being held back and slowly unwound. There are just too many of them for these banks to be willing … to just dump the properties on the market and take the hit.’”
“4,300-square-foot units have gone to settlement, all in 2014. Those townhouses sold for $1.1 million, $1.12 million, and $1.225 million”
4300 sq ft townhouse? How do they bring in any light?? And who’s going to pay a mil for a black box in a bad neighborhood in Philly? $1.2 mill will buy a 2000 sq ft townhome in Georgetown, a gorgeous mansion in the Maryland burbs, or a couple trailer parks anywhere in flyover.
in phily there’s a bum on every street corner
That’s pretty much any large city in the US.
Some things to think about:
“‘A lot of people are renting while they wait for the market to soften a little bit,’ said the project’s listing broker, Karen Stone of Town Residential.”
But if the desire to buy is driven by the price rise then the desire to buy will fade if the price rise fades. So all these people who say they will wait to buy when the price rise fades will continue to wait and wait and wait as the price rise fades and fades and fades.
They wouldn’t do this is a value-driven market but they are sure to do this in a price-rise driven market because in a price-rise driven market the price-rise itself is what instills value into the minds of potential buyers.
“The buyers that Stone describes can comfortably afford to buy a luxury condo but they’re opting to try to outsmart the market, which has become flooded in recent months with uber luxe condo units, by holding onto their cash for just a little bit longer. Their reluctance to buy stems from the increasingly common notion that a bubble is forming in the very top end of the market.”
Their reluctance to buy acts to halt the price rise and this halting of the price rise acts to reinforce the “increasingly common notion that a bubble is forming in the very top end of the market.”
“‘No one wants to go in their pocket when the market’s down 500 points,’ said Andy Gerringer of the new development firm the Marketing Directors. ‘Our economy is dependent and psychologically driven by the stock market. When there’s uncertainty, people freeze. They end up staying on hold to watch the way the wind is blowing.’”
No one wants to go in their pocket when the market’s down 500 points but Econ101 sys that’s when they should buy and that’s when they would buy but Econ101 talks in terms of people behaving rationally.
But if you buy after prices slide slightly from their high, it’s a “discount”!
“No one wants to go in their pocket when the market’s down 500 points but Econ101 sys that’s when they should buy and that’s when they would buy but Econ101 talks in terms of people behaving rationally.”
This is the case multiplied by 10 if the common way of buying stocks was with 10% or 20% down and the rest was borrowed–regardless of how cheap and easy it was to borrow.
That is what happened in housing while prices were collapsing…regardless of how low interest rates were, no one wanted to borrow to buy a house.
For this reason (as I’ve said before), I believe the Fed’s ZIRP policy had little to do with the housing market finding a bottom, and much to do about the rocket back upwards.
Housing hasn’t bottomed yet.
“From the data we have, we don’t yet see any catastrophic impacts of the decline in oil prices from where they were a year ago - cut by anywhere from 50 percent to 60 percent …”
Oil prices cut by anywhere from 50 percent to 60 percent. Check
“… but really that reveals the inadequacy of our data.”
Well, no sh1t, Sherlock.
“We are certainly hearing plenty of reports of construction projects being halted and of workers moving, but we haven’t yet seen them show up in the data. We expect some of them will be.”
Listen up, Sherlock: Your data sucks.
“The construction sector in Montana’s oil patch counties has been strong throughout the oil boom, but University of Montana economist Patrick Barkey is hesitant to predict how long that may last: ‘From the data we have, we don’t yet see any catastrophic impacts of the decline in oil prices from where they were a year ago - cut by anywhere from 50 percent to 60 percent - but really that reveals the inadequacy of our data. We are certainly hearing plenty of reports of construction projects being halted and of workers moving, but we haven’t yet seen them show up in the data. We expect some of them will be.’”
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Are economists able to leave their desks, or is detachment from physical reality now part of the job description? Rather than sit in his office and peruse “the data,” why doesn’t this guy drive out there, talk to people, and see for himself? He lives in the state, for Christ’s sake. It’s not like he’s trying to decipher China.
‘This is the shadow inventory that is being held back and slowly unwound. There are just too many of them for these banks to be willing … to just dump the properties on the market and take the hit.’
Sadly, it appears increasingly likely that the market will endure another protracted leg down before much of the shadow inventory ever reaches the market.
A Yahoo headline:
‘With China quiet, U.S. market must prove it can heal itself’
‘A few of the areas were sending warning signals for months that stocks ignored until quite recently.’
Yeah, like commodities crashing? And what’s this heal itself stuff? Is this an Oprah program or a market for raising capital? Come to think of it, with all this ETF jive, it is more like a casino. Bull this X3, bear that Ultra X3.
oh my
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/almost-half-homes-york-d-120003800.html
Will we see a rush for the exits, or will denial reign supreme?
You need buyers for a rush to the exit.
Just because one rushes to the exits doesn’t mean one will actually be able to exit.
You might get out without your shirt.
no area has ever gone downhill after getting rid of public housing
Parke Place’s neighborhood, Hawthorne, was once dominated by the Martin Luther King public-housing project in the 1300 block of Fitzwater Street.
Since the high-rise housing project was razed in 1999, the neighborhood’s fortunes have been on the rise.
Washington, DC Housing Prices Crater 16% YoY; Housing Demand Plummets
http://www.zillow.com/washington-dc-20016/home-values/
‘ Shiller measures valuation with his cyclically adjusted price-to-earnings (CAPE) ratio, which looks at price divided by 10-year average earnings. “The CAPE ratio right now is around 25. It’s high,” he said. The historic average is around 17, a level that would correspond with about 11,000 on the Dow and 1,300 on S&P 500. A retracement to those levels would represent more than 30 percent declines.’
‘In fact, based on history, the stock market could more higher because the CAPE has been much higher in the past before the air came out of the market, he said. “The monthly CAPE ratio reached a peak of 44 in the year 2000 and that was followed by an important [market] drop. It went down to 13 and came back up to 27 in 2007 and it was followed by another drop,” he said.’
“Nobody can really forecast the market accurately. But I think this is a risky time,” Shiller concluded-adding he personally has been reducing his portfolio’s exposure to U.S. stocks.’
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/risk-big-stock-drops-grows-130619396.html#
‘could more higher’
Rocket go now.
Shillers data may be spot on but it does not reflect real time actions…Its historical data looking backwards…You look around world and ask where you should park your money…Particularly if you have big money…The answer is pretty obvious…They are parking their money in what they perceive as the safest haven…I did not say “safe haven”….Just maybe the “safest” haven the world has to offer right now…Maybe taking a 30% haircut in the US market is better than taking a 50% haircut in lets say Italy…
How do Shiller’s numbers reflect Fed ducking and weaving on the timing of liftoff?
And your point is exactly why we may not see as much of a slowdown in housing in the major west coast cities - foreign investers still think land in the US is a safe haven, even if prices turn lower.
We had nowhere near the current level of all-cash foreign buyers during the last housing bubble.
How slow is slow?
Housing demand in California has fallen every single year since 2009.
You seem to drink the Kool-Aid in large amounts. I live on the Puget Sound, and I think you need to take your blinders off.
Blinders are a necessary accoutrement for MT Pockets.
A haircut only costs me $12. I prefer to keep it that way.
A haircut only costs me $12. I prefer to keep it that way ??
Thats because $12.00 is relative to your income or net worth…A 30% haircut to people with real dough is chump change…I had a billion…Now I have 700-mil…Get it…
It’s all borrowed money my friend. Dumb.Borrowed.Money.
That’s pretty funny dave. I pay the same as everyone else, so we must all be chumps.
S&P PE of 19 is high enough
nes paw?
Your daily headline from the utopia of Chicago, ILLANNOY - seems Rummy is pushing for a big property tax increase……Wonder how many who are able will be vacating if this things goes through?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rahm-emanuel-property-tax-hike-met-0903-20150902-story.html
Unless there is a good job waiting for them somewhere else AND they can find a sucker to buy their property I don’t think there will be much vacating.
Is DC/NoVa overpriced right now? People are going over list by about 25-65K on a shitty Glebewood almost 100 year old townhome. My realtor isn’t explaining anything. I think he wants me to bid on anything so he can finalize the sale. But I’m having trouble understanding the DC/VA/Arlington market. HELP!
My realtor isn’t explaining anything ??
Get another realtor…Minimum 10 years “full time in the area…He/she should also already have a brokers license and at least two advanced educational certifications…If they can’t demonstrate to you what I have just outlined refer back to my sentence #1…
+100
Why pay these massively inflated prices for a depreciating asset like a house?
Remember….. Current asking prices of resale housing are 250% higher than long term trend.
North Lynnwood, WA Housing Prices Fall 12% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/picnic-point-north-lynnwood-wa/home-values/
“Local Realtor, Activist Paid $350K In Bribes”
http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/local_realtor_activist_paid_350k_in_bribes/