October 20, 2015

It’s Wrong To Say We Know Too Little About Bubbles

Fort McMurray Today reports from Canada. “September housing prices and sales have fallen from their 2014 averages, according to statistics from Fort McMurray Realtors. The downturn continues to affect housing sales as statistics show single family detached home sales are down by over a third from this time last year. Housing prices have also dropped, as the average price of a single family detached home fell to $682,738, down from $774,007 in Sept. 2014. The numbers reflect housing statistics from Fort McMurray, Saprae Creek, Gregoire Lake, and Anzac.”

Domain News in Australia. “It’s time for spring home sellers to get real and accept the new reality. If you want some pie-in-the-sky price for your property, something your neighbour got back in winter, think again. You’re three months too late. Clearance rates have been on the slide for months, but with Saturday’s 65.1 per cent clearance rate – down from almost 90 per cent in May and 70 per cent just a week ago. In the north-west, where a renovated three-bedroom house at 27 Hilda Road, Baulkham Hills, was passed in for $940,000 on a vendor bid, LJ Hooker Castle Hill agent Brian Caba​ said he had seen it all before.”

“‘It would have gone for over $1 million only a few months ago,’ he said. ‘But I think this is only a temporary thing, the market will bounce back again next year. I don’t think its anything to panic about, we’ve got a train coming to the Hills that’s going to save this area.’ However, he said prices had recently dropped $100,000.”

“Laing + Simmons Cabramatta agent Minh Nguyen was keen to hear any offers for a three-bedroom townhouse at 3/53 Powell Street, Yagoona. It passed in for $630,000 on Saturday. ‘We had some bidders, but the owner wants more money,’ he says. ‘I told her if she doesn’t take it today, tomorrow might be different – it might be less.’”

The Wall Street Journal on China. “Economists worry that the empty properties ringing many of China’s cities are a major drag on the economy. How bad is the problem? It could be much bigger than either national or local figures show, as Esther Fung explains: Chinese national figures include only homes that are completed and ready for sale. ‘In other words, if developers stop working, then the number is correct,’ said Li Gan, a professor at China’s Southwestern University of Finance and Economics.”

“Homes that are partially completed or not yet for sale can go uncounted. ‘The real inventory situation could be bigger than the data we are seeing,’ said Yang Kewei, research head of data provider China Real Estate Information Corp., or CRIC, which tracks inventories.”

Interest in New Zealand. “Is New Zealand a paradise for money launderers? The NZ Police Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) details suspicious transaction reports filed with it under the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering the Financing of Terrorism Act (AML/CFT Act) by the likes of financial institutions and casinos. Although at around 12,000 the volume of these reports didn’t budge much in 2014-15 from 2013-14, the value of transactions in them shot up to $8.6 billion from $3.4 billion. (See charts at the bottom of this article).”

“Here’s hoping that $8.6 billion figure paints an accurate picture of the parts of our economy that are caught by the AML/CFT Act. But even if it does it’s merely the low hanging fruit. Because tempting swathes of the economy are excluded from the AML/CFT Act, crucially including real estate.”

“It’s only just over two years ago, on June 30 2013, that the AML/CFT Act finally took effect having been passed by Parliament in 2009. This move saw NZ removed from a regular follow up list (effectively the dogbox) by the Financial Action Taskforce (FATF), the key global anti-money laundering oversight body, in October 2013. Although the likes of our banks, financial advisors, and casinos are now knee deep in AML/CFT compliance, plans to extend the Act to the likes of real estate agents, lawyers, accountants and potentially to jewelers and precious metal dealers, have progressed at the speed of an asthmatic snail.”

The Australian Financial Review. “Very soon after the magnitude of the 2008 financial crisis became clear, a lively debate began about whether central banks and regulators could – and should – have done more to head it off. The traditional view, notably shared by former US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, is that any attempt to prick financial bubbles in advance is doomed to failure. The most central banks can do is to clean up the mess.”

“Hence the fierce (albeit arcane and polite) dispute between the two sides at the International Monetary Fund’s recent meeting in Lima, Peru. It is fair to say that the debate has moved on a little since 2008. Most important, macroprudential regulation has been added to policymakers’ toolkit: simply put, it makes sense to vary banks’ capital requirements according to the financial cycle.”

“But if the idea of the countercyclical buffer is now generally accepted, what of the ‘nuclear option’ to prick a bubble: Is it justifiable to increase interest rates in response to a credit boom, even though the inflation rate might still be below target? And should central banks be given a specific financial-stability objective, separate from an inflation target?”

“Jaime Caruana, the General Manager of the BIS, and a former Governor of the Bank of Spain, answers yes to both questions. In Lima, he argued that the so-called ’separation principle,’ whereby monetary and financial stability are addressed differently and tasked to separate agencies, no longer makes sense. The two sets of policies are, of course, bound to interact; but Caruana argues that it is wrong to say that we know too little about financial instability to be able to act in a preemptive way. We know as much about bubbles as we do about inflation, Caruana argues, and central banks’ need to move interest rates for reasons other than the short-term control of consumer-price trends should be explicitly recognised.”

“My view is that Caruana had the best of the arguments in Lima. We need our central bankers to make complex decisions and to be able to balance potentially conflicting objectives. We accept that they will not always be right. However, it is surely incumbent on them to learn from the biggest financial meltdown of the last 80 years, rather than to press on, regardless, with policy approaches that so signally failed. - Howard Davies, the first chairman of the United Kingdom’s Financial Services Authority (1997-2003), is Chairman of the Royal Bank of Scotland. He was Director of the London School of Economics (2003-11)”

From Ghana Web. “In May 2010, I put out an article on the burgeoning real estate market in Ghana with the title ‘The luxury condo and townhome market is booming in Ghana’. Today, in the year 2015, I am going to be very bold and predict to my fellow industry practitioners that THE HIGH LUXURY REAL ESTATE PRICES IN GHANA WILL COME DOWN! The luxury real estate market in Ghana has been so flooded and saturated by so many industry players that, suddenly, we now have a glut and an oversupply of properties in that segment of the market; so much so that it is not funny.”

“In year 2015, it is a completely different marketplace. Recently completed apartment projects are empty, literally begging for buyers or renters to pick up! Because I am on the ground floor in our industry and I happen to be in direct contact with both buyers and renters on one hand and sellers and developers on the other hand. I recently got engaged by an investor who had purchased these beautiful 20+ units of apartments in a gated community two years ago in a highly desirable part of town. Except for two tenants, the property remained empty for the entire period until five months ago when I took up his appointment. At that time, the rent this property owner was asking for his 3-bedroom apartments was $2500 per month. I told him, ‘Sir, you have to reduce the price.’ Reluctantly, he agreed.”

“So from $2500, we went down to $2000, then to $1800 a few weeks after and finally down to $1600. Guess what? Today, we are filling up those apartments very fast and even the tenants are bringing their friends to come by and snap up the remaining.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 03:26:02

’single family detached home fell to $682,738, down from $774,007 in Sept. 2014′

Still pretty expensive. Here’s a report from Oklahoma:

‘Cuts in the oil field and layoffs at big Oklahoma oil companies are already having a trickle-down effect. Banks are repossessing vehicles and car lots are filling up with trucks. One car lot owner, whose main clientele is oil field workers, says things are tough.’

“It’s directly affected us because we have stopped being able to sell a lot of our larger pickups to the oil field workers and the suppliers that bring things out to the oil field,” said Forest Greco, the owner of Greco Motors.’

‘Most of Greco’s customers are oil field workers and when they hurt, he hurts. “We get a lot of people calling back in, trying to trade vehicles in because they can’t afford them anymore because they’ve been laid off,” Greco told News 9. “They’ve drastically taken a reduced income, they’ve had to change jobs.”

‘Greco has also seen the impact at car auctions. “I’m seeing about a 30-percent increase in trucks at the auctions just from a repo level, they are bringing them back in, can’t afford, had to just default at the bank,” he said.’

‘The same is true for many car dealerships and used car lots. “I talk to people on a weekly basis, several every week say, ‘We are just struggling, trying to make it,’” Greco explained.’

“It affects everyone, it’s a trickle-down effect,” Greco said. “Immediately, it will affect the people who work in the industry, but then it moves on to the consumer because so many things are affected by oil companies.”

‘So, it is a buyers’ market for trucks right now, but it comes at a price “You do the best you can. You mark them lower. You try to get as good a deal for the customer as you can, as always, but it’s just shorter money for everyone,” Greco said.’

‘Greco said even the lending structure has changed because of the downturn. He has had to find other banks that are willing to loan to someone with a short work history due to layoffs.’

http://www.news9.com/story/30300350/oil-field-cuts-layoffs-trickling-down-to-other-industries

Comment by scdave
2015-10-20 08:39:17

Banks are repossessing vehicles and car lots are filling up with trucks ??

Thats likely the first Red Flag that you see…Food, Rent or Truck payment ?? Truck payment is the first to go….

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 09:02:47

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/blog/morning-edition/2015/10/san-antonio-drops-out-of-the-top-10-for-hot-single.html

‘San Antonio may have been Auction.com LLC’s No. 2 single-family housing market in the country during the spring, but tumbling oil prices have dropped the city’s ranking on the company’s fall report.’

‘Of the top five markets highlighted in Auction.com’s Spring 2015 single-family market report on April 15, only Fort Lauderdale remains in the top five on the fall report. Denver fell from first to ninth place on the fall report. San Antonio fell from second to 17th place. Nashville fell from third to seventh and Dallas fell from fifth to 19th.’

There’s a recession coming.

Let’s name a few markets that were oh so hot, that turned on a dime. Sydney, Calgary, Fort McMurray, Denver, Miami Beach, Boston, Houston, most of China, Hong Kong, most of Brazil, Dubai, most of India, most of Malaysia, Singapore; that’s just off the top of my head.

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 09:08:27

North Dakota! More expensive rents than Silicon Valley a year ago. Boy, I hope nobody over-paid when it was booming.

‘Lower oil revenues since the second half of last year have hit the balance sheets of the likes of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and, after years of being in surplus, some countries will have to manage budget deficits this year and in 2016 according to ratings agency Moody’s.’

‘The fiscal accounts of Bahrain, Oman and Saudi Arabia are the most vulnerable to the downturn in oil prices, Dyck said, who expects the fiscal positions of all GCC countries to worsen in 2015.

The ratings agency now expects that the GCC, made of up Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and UAE, will post a combined fiscal deficit of close to 10 percent of regional gross domestic product (GDP) in 2015 and 2016, compared to an average aggregate surplus of almost 9 percent in the years 2010 to 2014.’

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/commodity-prices-pile-pressure-middle-133235970.html

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Comment by scdave
2015-10-20 09:18:02

North Dakota! More expensive rents than Silicon Valley a year ago. Boy, I hope nobody over-paid when it was booming ??

Two or three years ago I sold a Motor Home Toy-Hauler to a guy in Southern California…When he came to get it we spent a few hours together doing all the DMV work…His company was in real estate investing and he told me how active they had been in flipping…He said that the market for it was pretty much played out and they were turning their focus to North Dakota…Their intent was to build multi-family housing for all the worker-bees coming with the oil boom…I suspect if they ventured in, that it took a couple of years to finally bring units online…Just in time for the bust….

 
 
Comment by scdave
2015-10-20 09:11:38

Let’s name a few markets that were oh so hot

It can come down much faster than it goes up…Ditto for the Stock Market…

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 12:41:54

‘The latest data on regional and metro-area employment was generally a solid one — 37 states saw unemployment fall in September.’

‘But beneath the good news was troubling news for those that are particularly exposed to the energy industry. The seven cities where energy represents the greatest share of employees have seen employment growth slow, according to Jed Kolko, senior fellow at the Terner Center for Housing Innovation at University of California, Berkeley.’

‘Those cities are Fort Worth, Baton Rouge, Oklahoma City, Houston, Tulsa, Bakersfield and New Orleans. Moreover, employment in both Bakersfield and New Orleans has declined over the last 12 months.’

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/job-growth-slows-in-houston-other-oil-dependent-metro-areas-2015-10-20

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2015-10-20 15:34:56

“Truck payment is the first to go…”

If that pickup truck is part of the business… a construction contractor for example… that truck can be mighty tough to find. And when it is found, and repo’d, the tools and other supplies disappear with the truck; the business goes poof. They usually have to rent a truck to recover their personal property. The expenses mount quickly.

 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-10-20 04:50:01

Sarasota, FL Housing Prices Crater 19% YoY On Massive Excess Housing Inventory

http://www.zillow.com/market-report/10-15/20362/sarasota-fl.xls?rt=14

 
 
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Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-10-20 05:49:47

Plano, TX Housing Prices Fall

http://www.movoto.com/plano-tx/market-trends/

 
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Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-10-20 05:52:27

Alexandria, VA Housing Prices Fall

http://www.movoto.com/alexandria-va/market-trends/

Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-20 08:05:55

smaller homes w lower listing prices
u need to have lower $ per square foot
not too convincing- try again

Comment by scdave
2015-10-20 08:19:29

not too convincing- try again ??

When has he ever been ?? Between the several threads that Ben puts up each day he must have 50-60 posts…All garbage…nothing better to do with your day I guess…Ignore him…

Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-20 08:31:36

once in a while he gets inventory up and price per square ft down for a winner

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Comment by Rental Watch
2015-10-20 08:31:44

I’ve come to love the Joshua Tree Extension for Chrome. Awesome.

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Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-10-20 11:04:10

It’s the 5% decline in prices in Alexandria, VA that is important here. Price per square foot will fall as demand and transaction prices continue to crater.

 
 
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Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-20 05:59:16

“…the market will bounce back again next year.”

Strike up the band to play the Realtor’s swan song…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-20 06:17:12

“Homes that are partially completed or not yet for sale can go uncounted. ‘The real inventory situation could be bigger than the data we are seeing,’ said Yang Kewei, research head of data provider China Real Estate Information Corp., or CRIC, which tracks inventories.”

Is it some kind of amazing revelation that China under reports the severity of its economic imbalances?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-20 06:24:42

“In May 2010, I put out an article on the burgeoning real estate market in Ghana with the title ‘The luxury condo and townhome market is booming in Ghana’. Today, in the year 2015, I am going to be very bold and predict to my fellow industry practitioners that THE HIGH LUXURY REAL ESTATE PRICES IN GHANA WILL COME DOWN! The luxury real estate market in Ghana has been so flooded and saturated by so many industry players that, suddenly, we now have a glut and an oversupply of properties in that segment of the market; so much so that it is not funny.”

It seems patently amazing that the bubble-era trend of over producing luxury housing units extended all the way from Manhattan down to Sub-Saharan Africa. Has such a ubiquitous bubble been ever previously witnessed in financial history?

Comment by scdave
2015-10-20 07:00:57

Fort McMurray Today reports from Canada ??

Did you see the results of the election ?? Look at the numbers…Overwhelming liberal majority…Trudeau calling for immediate deficit spending to spur the economy….

Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-20 08:07:06

that works great-see Greece for results
chuck the whole EU and Japan new keyneslands into that mix

Comment by scdave
2015-10-20 08:24:04

that works great ??

Not suggesting it works just offering what it is…If we know the end result (I.E. Greece) then we should be able to forward plan accordingly…Short the Canadian dollar ?? It rallied higher after the election…Go figure…

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Comment by In Colorado
2015-10-20 08:24:51

You can get away with that (for a limited time) when your currency is the world’s reserve currency. The Loonie is going to get clobbered.

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Comment by snake charmer
2015-10-20 07:26:26

“Economists worry that the empty properties ringing many of China’s cities are a major drag on the economy. How bad is the problem? It could be much bigger than either national or local figures show, as Esther Fung explains: Chinese national figures include only homes that are completed and ready for sale.”
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You really have to wonder for how much longer policies can be based on deliberately false or incomplete statistics, whether in China, the U.S., or anywhere. Political expediency has overwhelmed fact. As a political science major, I was required in college to take a statistics class, but now I’m thinking this should be reversed: anyone desiring a career as a statistician should be required to take political science courses, especially those touching on the use of propaganda by authoritarian regimes and their institutions.

As for the money laundering items, the asthmatic snail comment was too funny. We’re opposed to dirty money unless it’s “invested” in real estate. Then it’s OK. How many Canadian, Australian and New Zealand lawmakers are trying to get rich off this?

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-10-21 03:32:50

China: “How bad is the problem? It could be much bigger than either national or local figures show”

The $64,000,000,000,000 (trillion) question!

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2015-10-20 08:22:45

No more $500K double wides in FT. McMurray? Say it ain’t so, Joe!

 
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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 10:57:47

I was thinking about this from yesterday:

‘It just doesn’t make sense to build a $175,000 home on a $45,000 lot.’

I know a custom house builder in Sedona. He told me once that the standard way they did things was if you had a $100,000 lot, they put a $300,000 house on it. For a total of $400,000. Using this guys math, even a $45,000 lot would result in a $135,000 house for a total of $180,000. And that’s with a lot that has doubled in 3 years?

These people are just greedy and are way over-charging.

Comment by Rental Watch
2015-10-20 13:00:57

The rule of thumb for production builders is that the finished lot value represents approximately 25-33% of the home value. 25% in cheaper areas, 33% in more expensive areas.

However, in times of dislocation, these rules of thumb get thrown out the window–so you need to consider the starting point when you note the lots have doubled in value.

At the trough, land values fell to WAY below the cost to put in the infrastructure. We bought some finished lots for a small fraction of the cost to finish the lot–$10k per lot, $20k per lot, etc.. If you buy a lot for $10k, it doesn’t follow that you can build a $30k home on it…that math doesn’t work because you can’t build cheaply enough.

Comment by scdave
2015-10-20 14:54:59

The rule of thumb for production builders is that the finished lot value represents approximately 25-33% of the home value ??

Yep….

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 14:58:43

‘because you can’t build cheaply enough’

What you mean is ‘Rental Watch can’t build cheaply enough’.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-10-20 16:02:18

Because Rental Watch isn’t in the construction and contracting business. Neither is Dave.

How can can one tell? The nomenclature like “Finished lot”, “infrastructure”, “production builder”, etc.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 16:44:08

I don’t know much lingo. I was a controller at a general contractor for a while and I saw how things were done. Years ago some companies and brokers kept asking me for bids on repairs on foreclosures. I finally jumped in. What I mainly did was find people who could do the work. Then I sat down with them and made it clear; we’ve got to come in with our best number. Don’t get greedy or we won’t get the work. My job was to organize everything, make sure it was done right, on time (a biggie) and finance it. I had to learn, and initially we lost a few bids. But then this team emerged that really got it. We can all stay busy as heck if we don’t get greedy. After that phase, I can’t remember losing a single bid. We’d be on 3 houses in a week. The broker was selling them like hot-cakes because they were the cheapest houses on the market.

I learned a lot of things, but one I discovered working with so many contractors. One guy would say, $5,000 to do this. Another might say $1,500. The truth is, these $250/hour guys will take $100 if you can give them lots of work and pay them promptly (that’s a biggie too, I always paid the minute they were done). They have employees that are idle. They have equipment that’s idle. If you get it in their head about the big picture, they can come down in prices a big way.

I don’t understand all this, “prices have to be super expensive!” I understand Sir and have a good day. I’ll find someone who wants to make money with me.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2015-10-20 17:05:24

At $50 per foot on a 1,500 square foot home, the cost is $75,000.

If the lot is $10k, you can’t build for $30k ($20 per square foot). Even HA would say so.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-20 17:30:02

You know, they are building 300 sq ft condos in some places and selling them for hundreds of thousand$. I think some people are making do with less than 1500 sq ft.

 
 
 
 
 
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