A Herd Mentality That The Market Is Sliding
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Phoenix’s housing market is shifting. ‘We’ve been talking for months about a growing sellers’ market, but it looks like now it’s starting to cool off just a little bit,’ Tina Tamboer of the Cromford Report said. Tamboer said, while it’s still a strong sellers market, ’supply is starting to creep up in all of the price ranges.’ Even in the under $300,000 and under market, which has been in notoriously tight supply, Tamboer said, ‘We’re now seeing it start to grow and demand is inching down ever so slightly. Sellers in the past may have had 17 people wanting to see their home,’ Tamboer continued. ‘Now, it may go down to 10, then 5 then to two.’”
“Tamboer and the Cromford Report monitor the number of days a home is on the market and price reductions, among other indicators, to make their predictions. ‘We’ve seen a 17 percent increase in weekly price reductions,’ she said, adding that’s one of the first things to respond when the market softens. ‘We’re actually having more listings come onto the market than in Octobers past.’”
“Amid news of a slowing market and energy job cuts, some prospective homebuyers are sitting on the sidelines, while others are getting into the game more aggressively, said Caroline Allison, a Realtor with Houston-based Keller Williams Metropolitan. ‘There’s a herd mentality that the market is sliding,’ Allison said. ‘Buyers are more scarce, but the buyers who are in have gotten bolder. If they’re going to make offers, they’re going to go in very low.’”
“One of Allison’s clients is a prospective buyer who is looking at purchasing a newly constructed home in Rice Military, she said. Although the homebuilder is asking for $600,000, Allison’s buyers insisted they put in an offer for $460,000. They’re now negotiating prices closer to $500,000. ‘The builder wants to move their product because their livelihood depends on constructing new homes,’ Allison said. ‘My buyers aren’t in a rush. They just feel like they have nothing to lose by waiting.’”
“The number of Ohio properties with foreclosure filings fell by about 9 percent in the third quarter, compared to the July-August period a year ago, according to RealtyTrac. But the number of foreclosure filings across much of the nine-county Miami Valley region has begun to buck the statewide trend. ‘We’re starting to see a pick-up in foreclosure activity, that’s for sure,’ said Kal Mughrabi of Coldwell Banker Heritage Realtors in Springboro.”
“New Jersey again has the dubious distinction of the worst rate in the nation, one in every 451 in September, according to RealtyTrac. Foreclosures completed with bank repossessions in the first half of this year were still 37 percent above prerecession levels, and increased 24 percent in New Jersey, according to RealtyTrac. State court records show more than 34,300 new foreclosure cases had been filed in state courts this year as of October 15.”
“Wayne Meyer, president of New Jersey Community Capital, pointed to other data from RealtyTrac, indicating that of New Jersey’s current stock of 70,000, some 17,000 are vacant. Yet, even with prices well below prerecession levels, many New Jersey families struggle to pay for their homes, he said. ‘Here in Newark, more than 50 percent of families spend more than 50 percent of their income on housing,’ Meyer said.”
“Canadian Real Estate Association data show annual MLS residential sales in the Fort McMurray area plunged by 40 per cent in September, to 80 transactions. The average sale price was off by 13 per cent at $536,741. ‘With the lower oil prices what that means is that investment has been reduced and it’s impacted the Fort McMurray area quite substantially,’ said Lai Sing Louie, regional economist for the Prairie and Territories for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. ‘There’s less labour required and that obviously has an impact on the housing markets and we’re seeing that in all three components.’”
“The CMHC’s last rental market survey in the spring found vacancy rates in the Wood-Buffalo region were more than 22.3 per cent, up from seven per cent a year earlier. Housing starts in the region have dropped by 43 per cent this year, said Louie. ‘This lack of confidence in their future has put the brakes on any buying intention for both homeowners and investors. It has also drastically increased those wishing to sell, right at the same time as the buyers disappeared,’ said Don Campbell, senior analyst with the Real Estate Investment Network.”
“Contrary to what most developers claim about the robustness of the real estate industry, a study of a property consultancy firm showed that the Cebu sector has already ’softened,’ at least for condominium projects. ‘The slowdown in the condominium market is apparent,’ said Colliers International research director Julius Guevara. The same could be said for Metro Manila, but worse, where the number of condo units sold dropped from 40,000 in 2014 to 25,000 projected for this year.”
“Guevara explained that the decline could be attributed to the present framework by which sales in the real estate industry is driven– by the investors. ‘There is now a buyer’s fatigue,’ he said.”
“A new surge of urban development may create a new wave of ‘ghost cities’ in China, as the country draws up plans to house as many as 3.4 billion people, far in excess of its current population. Reports from both official news agency Xinhua and the independent media outlet Thepaper.cn say that urban planning in China is out of control, as each of the country’s provincial capitals is planning to build an average of 4.6 new urban districts, and regional cities look to build an average of 1.5 new districts.”
“These new urban areas would provide housing for 3.4 billion people – entirely out of line with actual demand from China’s population of less than 1.4 billion. The problem of uncontrolled development is not new: in 2013 the Peoples’ Daily criticized the trend of building new cities with the expectation that they would eventually be filled. Li Tie, director of the National Development and Reform Commission’s Center for Urban Development, told reporters that urban development should take place through natural growth of functional zones, rather than artificial planning.”
“The madness is receding. Each month for a year now more than half of all the dollars lent for buying and building homes went to investors. The insanity is apparent when you consider that until the mid-1990s only 10 to 20 per cent went to investors. People bought houses to live in. In May this year as prices in Sydney and Melbourne soared to once-unimaginable heights the proportion lent to investors hit an all-time high of 53.5 per cent. And then it slipped, in August sliding below 50 per cent for the first time in a year. At 48.5 per cent, it’s still ridiculously high, but something has changed. The canaries can smell the gas.”
“At Saturday’s auctions in Sydney only 65.1 per cent of properties sold. A week before it had been 70 per cent. Back in May it was 90 per cent. The Reserve Bank has been desperate to contain investors because it believes they are accelerating the boom and might amplify the risk of crash. As it put it in its Financial Stability Review: ‘Investors are more likely to contribute to the run-up in prices than owner-occupiers because the rationales for their purchases differ: capital gains are likely a greater motivating factor for investors, and rising prices can induce even more investor demand by increasing expectations for future price rises. Investors also tend to face fewer barriers to exit.”
“Humour all too often is the perfect tool to depict the truth. Abrose Bierce published the ‘Devil’s dictionary’ in 1911, defining his view of government, finance, commerce and life in general at the time. One classic example is his definition of ‘riches’ as ‘the savings of many in the hands of one’. Edward Chancellor has recently updated the dictionary for our times. The following are a few of my favourite.”
“Asset price bubble: The most noticeable consequence of the U.S. Federal Reserve’s easy money policy. Bank: An institution which, by applying leverage and mismatching assets and liabilities, earns short-term profit and generates long run losses.”
“Behavioural finance: The field of study resting on the notion that an asset price bubble is the result of ‘irrational exuberance’ (see Greenspan*) rather than the inevitable consequence of bad monetary policy and conflicts of interest on Wall Street. Bernanke, Ben: Former Fed chairman who failed to spot the housing bubble before it burst and in 2007 claimed that U.S. subprime mortgage problems were ‘contained’. After the Lehman Brothers bust, Bernanke succeeded in re-inflating the Greenspan* superbubble. Soon after leaving the Fed, he was rewarded with a job at Citadel, a hedge fund, which presumably didn’t hire Bernanke for his market insights.”
“Deflation: A benign fall in the price level due to productivity improvements and the expansion of global trade. Not to be confused with debt deflation, the consequence of the Fed’s easy money policies. Interest rate: The price of money over time, which balances saving and investment. In the hands of the Fed, a dangerous policy tool.”
“Moral hazard: Wall Street’s mentality of ‘heads I win, tails you lose,’ fostered by Fed policy. Off balance sheet: The hidden truth. QE: Quantitative easing, exemplified by the Fed’s purchase of securities with newly printed money with the aim of defeating U.S. deflation and boosting economic growth. In practice, QE has resulted in asset price bubbles, over-investment in commodities and emerging-market credit bubbles, whose ongoing collapse is producing global deflation and lower world economic growth.”
‘The Price Predictor Index pinpointed a string of property markets that went from boom to bust after years of massive price increases ended in a sudden drop in property values — a scenario some believe may happen in Sydney. Moranbah’s median house price grew by roughly 30 per cent each of the 10 years to 2012 to reach $750,000, while rents were $1800 per week, on average. The median house price is now $215,000, houses typically take eight months to sell and rents are $300 per week.’
‘A little over two years ago, Port Hedland had a median house price of $1.3 million. Today it is $850,000. The median weekly rent has dropped from $2500 to $1000.’
‘Karratha home values used to be over $800,000, but prices have fallen across all the region’s suburbs over the past year to reach approximately $500,000. Falling prices were also a result of developers building too many houses. Hotspotting pointed out that in the 10 years before 2011, Karratha dwelling approvals averaged 183 per year. In 2012 and 2013 there were more than 1300 total approvals.’
Wow…Nice find Ben….
‘There’s a herd mentality that the market is sliding’
A mania is dependent on herd mentality. Remember all the “priced out, missed out” talk? MOOO!
Then this happens:
‘It has also drastically increased those wishing to sell, right at the same time as the buyers disappeared’
Remember all the “priced out, missed out” talk? MOOO! ??
LOL…..
Replaced by sell now or be priced in forever
‘We’re now seeing it start to grow and demand is inching down ever so slightly. Sellers in the past may have had 17 people wanting to see their home,’ Tamboer continued. ‘Now, it may go down to 10, then 5 then to two.’
Isn’t a dwindling number of Lookie-loos a sign of overpricing? Drop that list price by $100K and those buyers will come back in droves.
“These new urban areas would provide housing for 3.4 billion people – entirely out of line with actual demand from China’s population of less than 1.4 billion. The problem of uncontrolled development is not new: in 2013 the Peoples’ Daily criticized the trend of building new cities with the expectation that they would eventually be filled. Li Tie, director of the National Development and Reform Commission’s Center for Urban Development, told reporters that urban development should take place through natural growth of functional zones, rather than artificial planning.”
Could this represent an incipient solution to the Middle East refugee crisis?
China-central planners w Keynesian mindsets
whoops, we have that here
“One of Allison’s clients is a prospective buyer who is looking at purchasing a newly constructed home in Rice Military, she said. Although the homebuilder is asking for $600,000, Allison’s buyers insisted they put in an offer for $460,000. They’re now negotiating prices closer to $500,000. ‘The builder wants to move their product because their livelihood depends on constructing new homes,’ Allison said. ‘My buyers aren’t in a rush. They just feel like they have nothing to lose by waiting.’”
$500,000 seems cheap by North County San Diego standards. ‘From $1 Million’ is pretty much the normal new home development offer price.
$600,000, Allison’s buyers insisted they put in an offer for $460,000.
HA ?
The problem with theses seemingly “cheap” homes in Texas is that the proud new owners will be indebted to the County/ISD for approx. $15,000 a year more or less. I’d rather pay state income tax.
in FL & TX you want to go lite on housing
TAX chimp
$15,000 a year more or less. I’d rather pay state income tax ??
States with no income tax and high property taxes know exactly what they are doing…That real estate is a prisoner of place…Therefore, the tax collector knows exactly how much revenue they will receive each year AND if they are blowing out their budget building new libraries, goosing the union contracts and monuments to the politicians they just bump the tax rate “at will” to close the budget gap….
Thats what use to happen here in California until Prop #13 put a stop to it…
You’re still worse off in the SF Bay Area, since an equivalent home would be >$1.5M, so properties taxes would be about the same AND you’re paying 3x more plus income tax, CA is so great!!!!
‘Many of San Francisco workers are being priced far out of the city due to the housing shortage. But how far? According to one person’s calculations, rents are so high, it would be worth it to move to Las Vegas and fly back to San Francisco for work.’
http://gizmodo.com/could-you-save-money-by-commuting-to-san-francisco-from-1737380440
‘Here in Newark, more than 50 percent of families spend more than 50 percent of their income on housing,’
That does not seem sustainable. Seems like a lot more Newark foreclosures lie in store for the future.
Newark is very skanky
martians touched down near by in the War of the Worlds
then died
Heh. I was in downtown Newark in the wintertime about 15 years ago. The city looked like the set of Blade Runner. There was nothing that might entice me to return and I haven’t.
You should have seen Newark after the 67 riots. That scared me and I was from NYC. From what I hear a lot of it was never rebuilt. Mayor Booker is a senator now isn’t he? Hah!
and zuckberger SJW, bailed out their schools
just attracts the FSA
‘Investors are more likely to contribute to the run-up in prices than owner-occupiers because the rationales for their purchases differ: capital gains are likely a greater motivating factor for investors, and rising prices can induce even more investor demand by increasing expectations for future price rises. Investors also tend to face fewer barriers to exit.’
Someone at the Australia Reserve Bank has been studying up on bubbles.
Even 10% to 20% investor purchases, as Australia reported in the 1990s, would seem irrationally exuberant unless future price appreciation was a virtual certainty. A 50%+ investor purchase rate against the backdrop of slowing Chinese growth and collapsing commodities prices is a recipe for a truly epic collapse.
“Economist: A person who failed to anticipate the global financial crisis; generally, an undistinguished mathematician with a poor understanding of finance”
I read through most of the updated Devil’s Dictionary definitions but somehow missed the humorous bits. Will search again later today, after coffee.
my mba was in economics and yes, it should have been finance $$$$$
‘The oil and gas industry’s earnings season is barely underway, and already there’s been $6.5 billion in writedowns. On Thursday, Freeport-McMoRan Inc. reported a $3.7 billion charge for the third quarter, while Southwestern Energy Co. — which has a market value of $4.5 billion — booked $2.8 billion. And that’s just the beginning. Barclays Plc estimated in an Oct. 21 analysis that there could be $20 billion in charges among just six companies. Southwestern’s writedown was double Barclays’ forecast.’
‘Southwestern’s shares have declined 64 percent in the past year, and Phoenix-based Freeport-McMoRan’s are down 61 percent.’
“The predictions of future cash flow have fallen along with prices.”
Let’s hope the predictions of future production rates weren’t grossly inflated to begin with!
Heard an interesting comment today about the hedges that are set to burn off for a lot of the producers. Some are pretty extreme, like an ability to sell oil for $85 into 2016.
The main comment the guy made was that right now, these companies are barely keeping their debt service current even with the hedges in place. So, once they are no longer hedged at higher prices, they are completely screwed.
There is also however, the potential that some folks don’t have a lot of debt, and are hedged…so they don’t have an incentive to slow production if they can still sell for higher prices.
I guess the combination of these two leads me to think there will be BOTH a massive shakeout as the hedges come off and companies go BK, AND a massive drop in supply as people who were hedged, decide to slow production since their hedges have come off.
You’re thinking of those hedges the wrong way. It’s not that the hedges have been giving them an incentive to produce more—those hedges can be settled for cash, regardless of how much they produce.
When they are getting paid less in total (production + hedges), they will suddenly have less revenue—and a desperate need to _increase_ production to meet their debt-service.
‘With the holidays just around the corner and thoughts of home soon to be on lots of folks’ minds, it’s a good time to check in on the current the state of the Valley’s housing industry.’
‘Mostly, there’s good news, according to Larry Kush, a life director with the Home Builders Association of Central Arizona. Over the past two years, approximately 11,000 building permits for single-family, new homes have been issued annually, and he said the expectation is that the number will reach 16,000 by year’s end.’
‘But more urban settings tend to cost more, and if there’s one thing in housing that you really can’t change, “it’s what you pay for the land,” he said. Small, finished lots in Chandler and Gilbert, for example, run approximately $80,000 to $90,000 and the rule of thumb is that a house should sell for four times the cost of a finished lot, he said.’
‘Unfortunately, a $320,000 home isn’t exactly affordable for everyone, so builders are turning to attached homes and condominiums as well as infill projects to satisfy those seeking in-town convenience. The only other option for those wanting a new home is to consider locating more on the fringes of the metro area.’
‘As for those in the market for a new home, he highly recommends finding a spec home to purchase. It’s a finished home, it’s probably heavily upgraded and you might be able to score a sweet deal on it.’
‘And if you’re just cooling your heels, thinking maybe the labor shortage will bring prices down, don’t. “Whatever happens, the price of new homes is going to go up,” Kush said.’
Note this again:
‘the rule of thumb is that a house should sell for four times the cost of a finished lot’
Not that long ago it was three. Oh, who cares, it’s to the moon Alice! We’ll make money on this house no matter what we pay!
What’s a life director?
‘Larry Kush, a life director with the Home Builders Association of Central Arizona’
Perhaps it is the current incarnation of interior decorator.
There was a so called ‘life coach’ here locally who also bilked the IRS out of $26M.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20151019-southlake-life-coach-accused-of-bilking-u.s.-out-of-26-million.ece
IMHO If a person needs a life coach, or they’re foolish enough to actually hire one, they’re doing it wrong.
Life Coach aka too dumb to have a real profession.
I read somewhere that “life coach” is just the continued commoditization of what used to be free, like advice from a friend or wise relative, or from a respected elder in one’s community.
“IMHO If a person needs a life coach, or they’re foolish enough to actually hire one, they’re doing it wrong.”
I’m sure they’re pimping a lifestyle based on the spread of some financial scam. Doable, maybe, for a young pecker-head in an apartment, but not for a family’s breadwinner. BTW, what does a life coach command, 3% of your net earnings?
maybe a life coach- soon to be living in a van by the river
“‘Larry Kush, a life director with the Home Builders Association of Central Arizona’”
Part of the effeminate marketing machine. “Life director”, “realtor”, “homes”, etc.
It’s likely Larry is a Lola in her off hours.
Lived on Alma School Road in Chandler 1995-96 for $600 a month. I can’t imagine paying $320,000 to live anywhere near there.
The range is 1/4 to 1/3 in most markets, in “normal” times.
There are times where this “rule of thumb” fails:
1. In very high priced markets (in coastal CA markets, I’ve heard this number as high as 50%); and
2. In times of great distress–in the downturn, land was selling for a small fraction of home prices (10% and less).
Pulling it directly from your a$$ to suit your desired outcome never works Rental_Fraud.
‘With dipping occupancy feeding fears of senior housing oversupply, scrutinizing a market carefully before developing a new property is essential. And conventional wisdom has singled out some metro areas, such as San Antonio, as especially risky bets. But taking a longer-term—and bigger-picture—perspective reveals some surprising trends and a more nuanced take on some markets with shaky reputations.’
‘One question that the analysts tackled had to do with “supply surges.” Certain markets—including Denver, Houston and Minneapolis—currently are experiencing surges in the number of new openings to existing inventory, according to NIC data.’
“Supply surges” that were always there but simply ignored by the media at the behest of the Housing Crime Syndicate(Phoney, Fraudie, FHA, Realtor, NAHB, Fed Res) and deliberately skewed and misrepresented by attempting to manage inventory(foreclosure moratoriums and moratorium like efforts).
Pretending 25 million excess empty and defaulted houses don’t exist doesn’t do a thing but enlarge the problem.
‘Economists are starting to sound alarm about the risk of a new U.S. recession— Confronted with disappointing data from around the world, economists are whispering a word that hasn’t seemed like a real possibility in years: recession. It starts with the slowdown in China, which is already straining the global recovery. The world’s second-largest economy has lost its appetite for the raw materials that fueled its industrial boom, leaving the smaller countries that supplied it with resources stumbling in its wake. Slower growth abroad translates into weaker foreign currencies and a stronger U.S. dollar, which makes American goods harder to sell in the global marketplace.’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/23/economists-are-starting-to-sound-alarm-about-the-risk-of-a-new-u-s-recession/
Thus Draghi’s statement the other day. It’s so predictably tag-team: first the Fed makes an easy money announcement, then the ECB, then the BoJ, each time spiking asset markets for a short time and producing relieved, smiley faces on financial news shows.
Why are economists “whispering”? I’ll shout it. The recovery is a lie for almost everyone. Statistics to the contrary are manipulated. The non-financialized economy never recovered.
Nice find Ben….
Take home: QE4 before liftoff. ..
“Economists are starting to sound alarm…”
No mention of the staggering debt levels of businesses and consumers in this piece? Must be “real economists.” The U.S. economy is like a heavily laden ferry heading toward rough seas with the bow doors left open by the undocumented crew.
Violent Crime Skyrockets 21% In Los Angeles
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425885/california-high-taxes-immigration-democrats
And If mortgages weren’t treacherously toxic at anytime in your life, the Housing Crime Syndicate encourages the everyone to truly sink themselves;
http://picpaste.com/pics/17c24910a42cce9a4e78474663d4794f.1445613955.png
Tampa, FL Housing Prices Crater 8% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/hunters-green-tampa-fl/home-values/
Professor Bear, what do you think about the real estate market in San Diego? Which parts will slow down first?