October 26, 2015

The Kind Of Increases We Saw Before The Bubble Burst

The Toledo Blade reports from Ohio. “Home building in Perrysburg is in a resurgence. The city has home builder plats awaiting final approval, with just shy of 1,000 lots, said Brody Walters, Perrysburg’s zoning and planning administrator. During 2008 and 2009, the number of new homes built fell into the low 40s a year. Pent-up demand led to a brief surge to 62 starts in 2010, but that quickly subsided. In 2012, it slumped to 46 starts with an average new-home price of $205,000. In 2013, new homes jumped to 54, with an average price of $282,000. Last year, there were 59 housing starts, with an average price of $265,000. So far this year, there have been 46 housing starts, with an average price of $334,000.”

“Jon Modene, a real estate broker at Re/​Max Masters in Perrysburg, said most first-time buyers are excluded from the home starts. ‘Now, the average start price is close to $400,000, which is unheard of in this market,’ he said. ‘Before you could do a cheap ranch home for $75 a square foot. You can’t build anything under $130 per square foot now.’”

KPAX in Montana. “The Flathead Valley is known for some high quality real estate. Chuck Olson Real Estate Supervising Broker Wendy Brown says 2015 is not over and yet their gross volume is already up over 40%. She says Baby Boomers are back into investing into secondary and retirement homes, especially those migrating from Minnesota and North Dakota. But, is it too aggressive? ‘So, what it’s saying is that we are probably even growing a little too fast and we need to steady out, but it’s great news - especially for sellers,’ Brown said.”

“Remax of Whitefish co-owner Monte Gilman says in the downturn it was the Canadians that took up to 50% of the buyer’s market in Whitefish, but now make up just 5% of clientele. He says growth is currently at 15% year over year, adding it’s a seller’s market, but coming in from the Canadian side of it. ‘In Whitefish, sale prices are about $350k and the trends are that the developers are starting to develop again.’”

From Florida Today. “Homes sales — and prices — continue to climb in Brevard County. In September, the median sales price of a single-family home jumped 32 percent from a year ago, from $129,900 to $172,250, according to Florida Realtors. Mike Slotkin, an economics professor at Florida Institute of Technology, said he’s concerned about the steep year-over-year home price increase. ‘That’s such a strong price increase that I’d start to worry the market is overheating…. This is something to look at seriously because those kinds of increases are the kinds of increases we saw years ago before the bubble burst, and that was not sustainable, he said.”

“Lynn Whelpley, president of the Space Coast Association of Realtors, said that the association is glad to see rising home prices, but added that there is some concern in the association that the prices might be rising too quickly. ‘We want to be cautious that the prices don’t go too high… The rise in prices is good as long as it’s slow and steady, and the prices don’t get falsely inflated,’ she said.”

The Victoria Advocate in Texas. “The rental market is seeing the effects of the downturn in the oil industry. Rent prices are far below the statewide average and there are more rental properties on the market than there have been since the oil boom, according to area realtors. According to Lee Swearingen in his monthly report, approximately 1,800 new apartments have come on the market or are scheduled to in 2015. The apartments that have recently gone online and are offering specials to entice renters to sign a lease, said Dennis Caka, broker wit DC Realty Rentals. To compete with lowering rent prices and a surge in units on the market, they have had to lower the prices on some of their rental properties as well, Caka said.”

“With the addition of the apartments to the market, there is a flood of more units and properties for rent. ‘There’s much more rent property now than there was in the past,’ said Diane Jernigan, president of the Victoria Area Association of Realtors. ‘There’s more supply available.’”

The Greeley Tribune in Colorado. “In Greeley, we’ve seen the market go from something that was 2⁄3 single family and 1⁄3 multifamily to … closer to 50-50 right now. According to city planning documents, there are six multifamily housing projects under construction right now, totaling more than 560 new units that will hit the market once construction is done (probably in 12-24 months). To compare, only 357 single-family lots are under construction in Greeley.”

“But the question everyone is asking is this: Can Greeley absorb the huge amount of multifamily units under construction? A landlord recently told me she went to rent out a townhome in west Greeley earlier this year, but she wasn’t finding renters. She said she had to lower the monthly rent to compete with the new Owl Ridge apartments nearby.”

“Upstate Colorado Economic Development CEO Rich Werner said the market could use some loosening to keep Greeley a competitive business market. ‘We’re at the top of the food chain,’ he said. ‘You look at places like Austin, Dallas, Phoenix, Portland and Salt Lake — our competition — we’re seeing the highest median prices.’”

The New Haven Independent in Connecticut. “Esra Tara Naamani had to enlist people in high places to get Bank of America to take $215,000—and then to get inside a ‘zombie’ mansion the bank was allowing to rot. It might not sound hard to get a bank to accept $215,000. Especially when the bank agreed to take the money in a property sale. Nor might it sound hard to get a bank to unload a money-hemorrhaging architectural marvel that sat vacant for years.”

“But logic, rationality, and self-interest haven’t always factored into how BOA has handled the continued fallout of the mortgage crisis eight years after the bill started coming due for the bank’s shady and shaky subprime lending spree. The lender would start the proceedings. But it wouldn’t want to take title, because then it would be responsible for upkeep or liens.”

“In fact, Bank of America would extend the closing seven times. And still Naamani couldn’t figure out why. ‘Why is it so hard,’ she wondered, ‘to give this bank $200,000?’”

“Evan Trachten at LCI—who has a knack for spotting clues to real-estate mysteries (like this one)—figured out why BOA was moving so slowly. In addition to the basic bureaucracy problem (knowing that a closing was scheduled), the bank had accumulated close to $100,000 in liens on 500 Central. It didn’t want to swallow that loss.”

The Asian Journal on California. “Two different clients both landlords because they both own rental properties came to see me last week with different problems. My first landlord client sold her residence about 8 years ago, just before the burst of the housing bubble. She made a net of $300K from the sale of her residence. She then put $100K down on a new residence, $100K on a rental with 4 units, and the last $100K on another rental with 4 units. At that time all real estate prices were sky high. So, although she made $300K on the sale of her old residence because the price was sky high, she also bought her new residence, and the two rentals also sky high.”

“The first problem with the rentals is that they are negative every month because she has many rental expenses. She’s negative almost $2K a month for 8 units. The second problem is that after 7 years, the properties have no equity. Therefore, after 7 years she lost $168K to pay for the monthly loss of $2K, and she also lost her $200K downpayment, making a grand total loss of $368K for 7 years! Now, she wants to retire and be rid of the rental properties because as she said ‘I already lost all of my $120K savings, and the $200K downpayment, I have to keep on borrowing money to cover the loss, I just want to retire now without this problem. I want to get rid of the two rental properties, but I want to keep my residence, this is what I want to do.’”

“In the other case, client sold her house five years ago and used her net proceeds of $100K to buy a 4-unit apartment. She rents out 3 units and lives in one unit. She breaks even monthly. The problem is she’s having a really hard time paying the first mortgage because husband retired last year. The bank modified her mortgage after her husband retired but the modified amount is still a burden for her. Now she wants to make one last attempt to further modify the mortgage payment. The problem is the bank has set a foreclosure sale for the property in 10 days. She has not paid the mortgage for 12 months and now has a large default of $100K. However, she wants to stop the foreclosure because she believes that she will be able to get a reasonable modification shortly. Certainly, the only way to stop the foreclosure on its tracks is with a Chapter 13 petition.”




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Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-26 03:45:25

“The bank modified her mortgage after her husband retired but the modified amount is still a burden for her. Now she wants to make one last attempt to further modify the mortgage payment. The problem is the bank has set a foreclosure sale for the property in 10 days. She has not paid the mortgage for 12 months and now has a large default of $100K. However, she wants to stop the foreclosure because she believes that she will be able to get a reasonable modification shortly. Certainly, the only way to stop the foreclosure on its tracks is with a Chapter 13 petition.”

It’s great to know that California’s Save Our Homes bailout programs, including mortgage modifications and Proposition 13, are protecting greedy absentee foreign landlords, even as they drive their tenants into financial ruin by charging them obscenely high rents.

Isn’t it about time to kick the foreigners out and TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK?

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-10-26 06:49:40

She rents out 3 units and lives in one. Nothing says she is foreigner, nothing says she is raising rents.

The real problem started 8 years ago with the conditions that created the Housing Bubble. You should be looking at wall street, congress, fed, and yes, to a lesser extent….all the bit players like these people, who can’t read the tea leaves….or the HBB!

Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-26 07:02:15

Maybe we should just make all government-subsidized real estate investing illegal, foreign-owned or otherwise.

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-10-27 00:49:34

Well, then you would be homeless PB.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2015-10-26 07:58:16

Nothing says she is foreigner, nothing says she is raising rents.

It was published in Asian Journal (The Filipino Community Newspaper since 1991). I would guess that the odds are reasonably high that the LLs were both Filipino.

Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-26 11:34:50

The bad grammar used in the article increases my subjective odds in favor of the retarded landlords being Filipino.

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Comment by localandlord
2015-10-27 16:59:29

In most of the country you can buy a fourplex, live in one unit and have the other renters pay your usual expenses. That’s what I think of when I read the words “break even”. So why is she having a problem paying the mortgage if the other units are occupied?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-10-27 19:18:36

Problem is the cashflow doesn’t come anywhere near enough to cover the expenses.

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Comment by scdave
2015-10-26 07:56:05

California’s Save Our Homes bailout programs, including mortgage modifications and Proposition 13, are protecting greedy absentee foreign landlords ??

They obviosly bought at the peek thats why they want a mod…How does proper #13 protect them ??

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-26 04:27:39

Modify= make taxpayers pay

 
Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-26 05:19:47

in Colorado
see, Greeley is the top of the food chain

shows what u know

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 06:44:47

‘Rich Werner said the market could use some loosening to keep Greeley a competitive business market’

There’s some loosening coming soon enough Rich. I saw this coming too:

‘Nearly one-third of Ventas’ (NYSE: VTR) portfolio is exposed to excess supply pressures in specific markets, the health care real estate investment trust (REIT) revealed in its quarterly earnings call on Friday. Results for the third quarter were not poor across the board, but revenue badly missed expectations as supply concerns, along with challenges in occupancy related to a high turnover rate, had some drag on performance for the company.’

‘As the Chicago-based health care real estate investment trust (REIT) fell short of revenue expectations, analysts were quick to ask about oversupply concerns within Ventas’ senior housing portfolio. “Based on construction, we see 70% of our portfolio that doesn’t have an excess supply situation,” Robert Probst, Ventas chief financial officer and executive vice president, told analysts on a quarterly review call on Friday. “Obviously, that implies that 30% of our markets where there is a supply challenge.”

“Atlanta would be one, and there are certainly others,” he said. “But 70% of our portfolio is insulated. It is a market-by-market conversation. There are select markets, and I’ve highlighted as an example Houston, where we have seen an impact and that is affecting our performance.”

http://seniorhousingnews.com/2015/10/25/oversupply-turnover-take-a-bite-out-of-ventas/

Q How did you know Ben?

A They are building these things like crazy everywhere you go.

Comment by scdave
2015-10-26 07:36:29

A They are building these things like crazy everywhere you go ??

Yep….

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-10-27 00:58:52

It’s the ultimate solution to overpriced housing!

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Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-26 05:22:25

Zillow predicts Julington Creek home values will increase 8.5% next year, compared to a 6.4% increase for Jacksonville as a whole

TL=unlimited land after draining the swamp

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 06:29:52

‘In 2012…average new-home price of $205,000. In 2013, new homes…average price of $282,000. Last year…average price of $265,000. So far this year…average price of $334,000…Now, the average start price is close to $400,000, which is unheard of in this market…Before you could do a cheap ranch home for $75 a square foot. You can’t build anything under $130 per square foot now.’

Janet, Mel, heck of a job.

Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-26 07:09:23

counties are taken high proffer fees
mo free money so they can retire in their 50’s

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 06:41:51

‘the median sales price of a single-family home jumped 32 percent from a year ago, from $129,900 to $172,250…’We want to be cautious that the prices don’t go too high… The rise in prices is good as long as it’s slow and steady, and the prices don’t get falsely inflated’

Cautious? Lady, it’s time to buy a new Lexus! Wages went up 32%, didn’t they? Nobody in DC would let this get out of control.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 07:18:00

‘after 7 years, the properties have no equity. Therefore, after 7 years she lost $168K to pay for the monthly loss of $2K, and she also lost her $200K downpayment, making a grand total loss of $368K for 7 years! Now, she wants to retire and be rid of the rental properties because as she said ‘I already lost all of my $120K savings, and the $200K downpayment, I have to keep on borrowing money to cover the loss, I just want to retire now without this problem. I want to get rid of the two rental properties, but I want to keep my residence, this is what I want to do’

‘I just want to retire now without this problem…but I want to keep my residence’

Of course you do. Have you tried stamping your little feet?

Comment by scdave
2015-10-26 07:42:16

‘I just want to retire now without this problem ??

Well, greed killed the pig…

You were mot satisfied with making the $300,000. on your house…You could have bought one 4-plex with $100,000. down, lived in one unit and banked the other $200,000….But no, you wanted to play monopoly and parley your $300,000….

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-26 11:37:02

‘…but I want to keep my residence’

Why are American banks providing forbearance to foreign nationals who are driving up the cost of housing to U.S. citizens? Can’t they just foreclose on the collateral and be done with it?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2015-10-26 23:43:15

Why are American banks providing forbearance to foreign nationals who are driving up the cost of housing to U.S. citizens? Can

I’m assuming this is a rhetorical question, but the answer is quite simple:

Banks drag their feet for two reasons:

1) because the revenue from servicing the defaulted note stops when they cease forbearance and foreclose, and

2) the losses that mount during this delay period aren’t losses to the bank, but rather fall to the taxpayers to eat.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 07:19:33

‘Naamani had to enlist people in high places to get Bank of America to take $215,000—and then to get inside a ‘zombie’ mansion the bank was allowing to rot.’

This is a long article, but worth reading if you have time.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2015-10-26 08:46:32

Wow—it does seem like it was quite the effort on her part to get BoA to actually close on property.

The unwritten story, not captured in that article, is that the banks, while appearing to act recklessly (they had to pay $60K in liens/fines!) or incompetently, are actually acting with cunning, and in their own best interest.

During the time that this process was dragged out (an extra 6mo), the bank was still being paid to act as “servicer” for the defaulted loans, and was also probably being paid for property preservation on the decaying house. And any losses that continued to mount due to the liens/fines/yard/shoveling are not borne by the bank—they’re borne by the bondholders, who get less back on their collateral.

So it is to the bank’s advantage to drag things out like this. My guess is that this is the main reason that the zombie foreclosures are still lingering: incorrectly-aligned incentives, combined with banks being allowed to get away with this stuff by the so-called “Trustee” of the bond pool.

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 08:57:13

The house was deteriorating quickly. This woman saved it, but how many are out there getting so bad no one will take on the repairs?

BTW, this small paper did some excellent reporting in years past.

 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-10-26 09:08:04

There are millions of these houses out there in additions to the millions of houses occupied but not foreclosed on.

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 09:15:58

When I made the Glendale video, I only photographed the houses that were obvious shadow inventory. There were probably 10 for every one I recorded that I am pretty sure were in some stage of default. Ask a property manager and they’ll tell you the rental market is HOT! Dig around a little and you’ll find the vacancy rate is close to 13%. Now why would all these house owners leave property vacant when rents are oh-so high and housing in a “shortage”? And I wonder about the 45% commercial vacancy rate. Just who is sitting on all this paper?

Comment by scdave
2015-10-26 14:01:15

And I wonder about the 45% commercial vacancy rate. Just who is sitting on all this paper ??

Along with falling rents….

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 07:27:32

‘High-yield energy bonds are on track for their worst year since the global financial crisis yet some funds are holding on, convinced that markets underestimate the ability of many oil companies to ride out the crude price slump.’

‘Some money managers such as Western Asset Management Co., Eaton Vance Corp. and Aberdeen Asset Management have broadly held on to their investments in bonds of oil and gas producers throughout the year even as now they lag more than 95 percent of their peers, according to Morningstar data. “Market pricing suggests almost one out of every two high-yield energy issuers will default,” said Michael Buchanan, head of global credit at Western Asset Management Co., citing his firm’s proprietary valuation model. “Anything less than that is a win for investors.”

The dry cleaner effect.

Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-26 11:39:26

“Market pricing suggests almost one out of every two high-yield energy issuers will default,”

How long from now will the fire sale start?

Comment by Rental Watch
2015-10-26 12:47:58

My understanding is that the hedges that have been keeping the smaller players afloat start to burn off in 2016…even with these hedges, a lot of the players have had a hard time staying current on debt.

So, I would say that the fire sales start in 6 months or so.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 07:32:05

‘MarketWatch: How can the Fed raise rates when inflation is not on horizon?’

‘Mann: I go back to a paper that Ben Bernanke gave at the Jackson Hole conference in 2012 where he set out in really very clear terms about the pros and cons of quantitative easing, which of course we were still in the process of doing at the time. The pros were you want to lower interest rates, reduce the slope of the yield curve, get the credit channel moving, use the wealth effect to bolster consumption and business investment. The cons were, what would we need to know when it was time to kind of take the foot off the accelerator, and it had to do with disruptions in the Treasury market and it had to do with a change in the nature of asset markets.’

‘So when I look at the Treasury market functioning, I see some problems there, with liquidity, some spiking. So, some disruptions or malbehavior in the Treasury market, I see as one indicator, that even though the objectives of inflation and unemployment have not been reached. The second indicator that was outlined in the Bernanke speech was concerns about what was going on in asset markets — housing markets but also in equity markets. And I think what we can look at the housing market [and say it] is back on track, not really recovered completely, that is of course related to the bank situation and attitudes toward risk and some of the new regulatory requirements.’

‘MarketWatch: Some worry that without the Fed’s support, the whole thing falls down’

‘Mann: I think there is a possibility that you will see some equity market correction, but since I see a fair underpinning of where we are in equity right now is based on some of these not-really conducive to real economic activity anyway — stock buybacks, the mergers and acquisitions – taking a little bit of the top off of that is not something that is going to negatively affect the economy.’

‘MarketWatch: Do you think Fed Chairwoman Janet Yellen and her allies are worried about asset prices? It is not something they talk about much.’

‘Mann: These are very smart people, and I am sure it is part of the overall thought process that’s done around the table.’

Plus, they’ve never been wrong before!

Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-26 08:27:48

embrace deflation then get roaring 20’s
massage it and get Japan and now US

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-10-26 09:05:26

‘Some economists are suggesting that the best thing the Federal Reserve could do for the U.S. economy would be to raise interest rates for the first time in nearly a decade, mounting an argument that flies in the face of conventional economic wisdom. Tightening, in light of the current circumstances, would actually be stimulative, on net, they argue.’

“There’s roughly $10 trillion in the banking system that’s earning zero,” added LaVorgna.’

“With the advent of the Fed promoting lower for longer has been a sense of complacency in the business community, more of a focus on financial engineering and balance sheet management vs. top-line growth,” says Jacob Oubina, senior economist at RBC Capital Markets. “There’s a dearth of focus on revenue-generating capital expenditures, which is the traditional way successful businesses have been run.”

You don’t say Jacob. And I have been wondering about conventional economic wisdom as it hasn’t worked for years. Cuz with all the money that’s been created, inflation should be double digits, not close to negative. Bread crumbs Jacob, I’ll keep leaving them in the dark spooky forest.

Comment by Professor Bear
2015-10-26 11:41:19

‘“There’s roughly $10 trillion in the banking system that’s earning zero,” added LaVorgna.’

With zero return on investment, banks have no incentive to lend.

You’d think the all-seeing, all-knowing FOMC would realize this.

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Comment by In Colorado
2015-10-26 13:34:47

Well, the banks are charging more than they pay depositors.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2015-10-26 08:29:32

very few RE markets are back to 05/06 peak
wtf are they talking about?

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-10-26 08:35:52
 
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