The Housing Bubble

I want to buy the new Xbox One and Halo 5 so I spend less time online reading news I have no control over.

Agenda 21 is already here. Courtesy of your local planning & development department.

I feel sorry for the local officials when they have to listen to Agenda 21 nutjobs complaining that adding a bike lane down Main Street is a UN conspiracy.

So, Oxide, here is the question (for which I do not know the answer):

Ice floats because on a molecular level, frozen water arranges itself so that it is less dense than liquid water (why freezing a beer will sadly break a glass bottle).

So, if you drop a large hunk of ice in the water, a small portion will protrude above the water.

Question:

Is the small portion that protrudes above the water greater, or lesser than the extra volume that the hunk of ice gained upon freezing?

My intuition tells me that they are roughly equal, but it could very well be the case that the amount protruding is less than the extra volume…which means that if the ice melts, it would lower the water level.

But, what’s the real answer?

Sorry RW, the density of the ice is not important. Try to think of it differently.

BTW, it is not always true that the density of ice is less than the density of water. It is only true under special circumstances. Try again.

Sorry Oxide, floating ice is partly above and partly below the surface. How much doesn’t matter. When you float, you are not all above the water.

Try again.

Sorry, no.

Water expands by about 9% when frozen. So, when it melts, it shrinks by the same amount.

So, a 1 cu ft chunk of ice becomes 0.92 cu feet of water.

So, if a 1 cu ft chunk falls into the ocean and displaces 0.97 cu when it floats, and then it actually displaces less ocean when it thaws.

So, if the ocean was a closed system (and it’s not), and all you had was liquid and frozen water, and all the frozen water thawed, the sea level would go down.

Sorry, the volume of the ice is not important. Try again.

Climate Deniers don’t bother with such trivia like frozen saltwater vs. frozen freshwater. It interferes with the narrative.

You just hush…. Jesus won’t come if you yammer on about logic.

Sorry, the article, and my question, state that the ice has seawater beneath it. Try again.

Does there being seawater under part of a glacier mean the entire glacier is floating?

Do you really think you’ve found a simple flaw in all of the scientists’ reasoning? None of them realized that the glacier was floating?

Because such thinking would be pretty delusional. But I bet it’s championed on some web sites, probably where you got such a weak talking point from.

I’m not parroting anything from a website, or championing anything. The ice in question is over sea water (see the quote from the article). Either you can answer the challenge question or you cannot.

Please try again, even if it is hard to stay narrowly focused.

Ya know, I tried this at home, only with a twist. I put ice cubes in a solution of ethanol in a glass. Before the ice melted the liquid level went to zero. This, I suppose, does not prove your point.

In any case, you missed it. Try again.

What’s it about then?

Oddie - it’s all about the Cult of Personality!!! It is a pageant and that is all.

“Weaponized athletic teams”
The old, white Repub establishment men are freaking out on the implications of power of being shifted on campus. I think their reactions are funny.

Missouri Lt. Gov Kinder Blames Left, Calls Missouri Events ‘Appalling’

…..We could not avert our gaze from the appalling events at the University of Missouri in the last week.”

Kinder then cited an item by Heather MacDonald in City Journal: Racial Hysteria Triumphs on Campus, pointing out how the Left can now, in effect, weaponized athletic teams in what she called “the boorish, hate-filled Cultural Revolution come to America.”

Missouri, Yale, and America’s Cultural Revolution

According to the New York Times, the university could have lost more than $1 million had it forfeited its football game with Brigham Young University on Saturday.

The precedent set here is monumental. Any student protester who can convince his college’s football or basketball team to threaten a strike will be able to bring administrators to their knees even more quickly than usual.

Black Football Players Matter

Football

Black Drives Matter

Black Football Players Matter

For their white coaches and white nfl owners. Absolutely!

Comment by Oddfellow
2015-11-13 08:07:08
What’s it about then?

OPEN BORDERS

‘The strongest support in the House came from Republicans, who cast 132 votes for the trade plan and 43 against it. Among Democrats, 102 voted for the agreement and 156 opposed it. The one independent in Congress voted against the plan.’

Facts have been posted: I think we can stop calling NAFTA a “Clinton project.”

Like Glass Steagal repeal: repealed in 1999 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLBA).
Sen. Phil Gramm (R, Texas),
Rep. Jim Leach (R, Iowa)
Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R, Virginia)
the co-sponsors of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.

know your party.

‘we can stop’

You and that mouse in your pocket can do whatever you two decide. Talking to you is pointless.

The contemporaneous article was clearly incorrect. With the benefit of hindsight, the LA Times surely would like to retract that article and write another one with some of CalifoH2O’s talking points.

NAFTA was passed during a time when the politicians truly believed that it was possible to run an entire country on the knowledge economy alone. Let the Chinese and Mexicans make our trucks and our socks. — weeee have Internet.

The pols evidently didn’t realize know that there were a lot of Americans too dumb or too poor to be educated into white-collar cubbies but needed work to do. Nor did they anticipate that connecting to the world went both ways.

Math:

132+43=175
102+156=258

258>175

The Democrats held a substantial majority in the House.

They also held a majority in the Senate, and had Clinton in the White House.

The GOP could do nothing without their votes.

Papa Bush’s baby, passed by the majority of Republicans.

facts. yes, then Clinton signed it off. agreed?

You seem to forget about Rubin’s hand in the repeal of Glass-Steagall:

“From January 25, 1993, to January 10, 1995, Rubin served in the White House as Assistant to the President for Economic Policy. In that capacity, he directed the National Economic Council, which Bill Clinton created after winning the presidency.”

“On January 4, 1995, the new Chairman of the House Banking Committee, Representative James A. Leach (R-IA), introduced a bill to repeal Glass–Steagall Sections 20 and 32. After being confirmed as Treasury Secretary, Robert Rubin announced on February 28, 1995, that the Clinton Administration supported such Glass–Steagall repeal. Repeating themes from the 1980s, Leach stated Glass–Steagall was “out of synch with reality” and Rubin argued “it is now time for the laws to reflect changes in the world’s financial system.”

The final bill passed the House 362 to 57 and the Senate 90-8, and was signed into law by Clinton.

You seem to forget about Rubin’s hand in the repeal of Glass-Steagall:

I think important points about NAFTA/repealed Glass-Steagall/WTO/TaxCutsForTheRich is from which sphere of ideology did these concepts come from- left or right- have these concepts worked as promised, who is still pushing these concepts now and who is fighting against them.

The concepts first came from the minds and institutions of the right. For certain, a lot of Dems went along with them but they most assuredly were pushed from the right.

I’m sure a lot of Repubs and Dems sincerely believed these concepts would help all Americans but the evidence is in that they did not. This is not theory anymore, it is fact and history.

So instead of trying to dole out blame for past mistakes, it is way more important to see which party is actively still pushing those failed concepts today and which party is pushing back against them.

To double down on proven failure going forward is not the answer.

Ah, the old, “If only it weren’t for those damn GOP ideas, the middle class and economy would be much better off.” argument.

Democrats have had control of the White House for just as many years as the GOP over the prior 30 years. Clinton for 8, Obama for 7 = 15.

It looks like no one’s policies are working to get to your desired destination. How do you separate the policies that work from those that don’t?

How’s this–both the GOP and Democrats have done a great job at expanding government at a rate faster than inflation over the prior 30 years.

What can be said is that the larger government is, the more it crowds out private sector activity.

Perhaps that’s the problem.

You seem to have this idea that the government dictates what happens in an economy. It does not. It sets the rules and tries to influence the economy, but it doesn’t dictate what happens.

Far more of what happens in an economy is the result of forces outside of government control.

“If only it weren’t for those damn GOP ideas, the middle class and economy would be much better off.”

We implemented those GOP ideas under assurance they would help all classes. They did not. This is not theory.

It looks like no one’s policies are working to get to your desired destination.

The greatest policy changes the past 35 years were of the SupplySideTrickleDown variety and they affected the middle class negatively. Clinton’s tax increase on the rich put us on a path to take care of the deficit. The Repubs killed that chance. This is recent history not conjecture.

You seem to have this idea that the government dictates what happens in an economy.

Of course not, I say the government’s role is to set the rules and try to influence the economy in a manner that benefits the greatest number of people, and if we had not implemented those GOP ideas under false (and failed) promises, the middle class and economy would be much better off.

What can be said is that the larger government is, the more it crowds out private sector activity.

That depends on the part of the government. Social Security and Medicare do not crowd out more private sector activity than they generate.

“Social Security benefits play a key role in the economy, supporting over 9 million jobs across the country and more than a trillion dollars of economic output. Social Security has a much greater impact on the economy than just the amount of its benefit payments because when Social Security beneficiaries spend their monthly benefit checks, the effects ripple through the economy. These benefits in turn help every State where benefits are spent.” aarp

CalifoHo & Rio are wastrels. Talking to them is pointless.

Yep, and Caliph. Just trolls for Hillary. They should be pruned. This thread shows it. Nafta was both parties, proven with cites, but they want to just pretend otherwise. That adds nothing. PRUNE.

Also, “weeee have Internet”? In 1993?

What time is it in “Brasil” and how much has Lola lost on his house so far this year?

Moderate his message? He toned down the anti illegal talk for a while and is now bringing it back, thank god.

That’s right.

http://i1.wp.com/principessaerrante.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DSC_2961.jpg

men age like wine

But Trump is not aging well for a rich man, neither in body or mind imo. He’s a zombie after an hour and a half in the debates.

He was paid to troll GOP supporters, and claiming he was paid to troll Sanders supporters is part of the troll.

Blue collar democrats and workers of all races will vote for the candidate that is clearly against the illegal invasion of America.

It will be a landslide.

LOL. Trump starts out at least 123 electoral votes in the hole because Clinton or Sanders have in lock on CA, OR, WA, NY, and IL.

I remember when Bush/Cheney had full GOP control for 6 years. They sure went after those illegals!

But, this neo-con time is different.

“They sure went after those illegals!”

And torts. Don’t forget the torts!

Yep, back in 08, the world was all sunshine and kitten farts, and then the Black Destroyer came and ruined everything.

‘I can use ‘old white farts’ because I’m on the road to become one myself’

Hmmm, I detect an inconsistency in the political correctness here. So if WPA here says “Bruce Jenner is an attention whore with a screw loose”, Oddfellow might respond:

‘Perhaps we should create a safe zone around the homophobes so they can call everyone else gay without the danger of people responding that homophobes are usually closet cases themselves.’

Ah ha! WPA says it’s OK for gays to call others gay. Further, Oddfellow is making the attack that WPA is gay!

Gosh, one could almost conclude that political correctness is a hypocritical, agenda-based attempt at censorship masquerading as morality.

Nah, “old white farts” is a term of endearment and is harmless. I may be a Dem but that doesn’t mean I buy all this SJW and PC stuff and I don’t. Some of it is overblown and over the top.

overblown and over the top

HBB needs a weekend topic thread dedicated to blowing and topping, LOLZ

overblown and over the top

Many would argue that you are overblown and over the top.

How many times have you been banned only to come back begging Ben for forgiveness?

Likewise, stainless-steel is so 2000s.

I’m already seeing the trend back to solid color appliances (besides black & white) - give it another 5-10 years. Heck, in 25 years, Formica countertops will probably be all the rage with older hipsters.

They’re Pineapples.

Hi Ben! Everybody! Glad to see the board’s as busy as ever.

Thanks for backing me up. Clearly, Boris didn’t get my drift.

The New Yawk I used to know is already destroyed, anyway. All that’s left is maggots feeding on the corpse.

Israelis have coped with these attacks for years. They immediately tend to the casualties, clean up the scene, and defiantly get on with their lives, refusing to be let the bastards win by cowering in maladroit fear. We in the west should do the same.

Maybe he’s not, but Palmy’s comment wasn’t funny.

I’m still in NYC. I was in NYC on 9/11. I was planning to go to Paris next month. Now I won’t.

This just feels like one attack too many. Once, I flew into Moscow on the very day the terrorists took hostage about a thousand people during a theater performance, similar to what they did today in Paris. (After a long standoff that lasted a few days, 130 people died.) Another time I visited, I left the day before they bombed two of the subway stations, one of them “mine”. And so on, and so forth. This feels very close. Those poor, poor people!

I’m sick and tied of innocent people getting slaughtered all over the world, and TPTB twiddling their thumbs and obliviously waiting for the Armageddon. They ignore the threat of Islamist jihad, they ignore the threat of Russia, and it just feels like the West is completely unprepared for what’s coming.

Sorry for the rant. Maybe I’m being overly dramatic. I hope I am.

They ignore the threat of Islamist jihad

This is highly unlikely. The French police and security services probably expend a lot of effort trying to prevent terrorism.

First of all, if you’re in NYC, don’t fool around and twiddle your own thumbs, get out, now. Even if it’s to Fairfield County. Because NY’s likely to blow.

As to the TPTB, they’re not gonna wake up. Heck, no, they’d distribute guns to the jihadists and tell them to have at their own citizens.

I dunno why Russia is a threat, though. Seems like Russia is the only country with the stones to do anything about it. But you’d know better than I about that.

I didn’t read Palmy’s post as an attempt at humor. He’s always written it as “Yawk.”

“…cowering in maladroit fear. We in the west should do the same.”

I watched the towers fall and then spent countless hours underground in stopped subway cars due to “police activity.”
I worked in midtown when all of the anthrax letters were arriving. I’m not sure maladroit fear is the way I would describe what I experienced. It was a relentless, slow, certain grind. Everything. You just get to a point where moving on is all that makes sense.

Russia is a criminal state governed by KGB married to the mafia. Unfortunately, it started to behave as if it’s an empire of evil once again. Only now it’s worse.

Pretty much all mass media there is controlled by the state. The propaganda is worse than it was during Soviet times. Because now, in addition to the hatred of Americans and the West, they’re also brainwashing people into military fervor.

It’s not a joke. Russia announced that their new war doctrine allows them to use nuclear weapons first, even when there’s no threat of a nuclear attack against Russia.

There’s talk of nuclear holocaust on Russian state TV, with phrases such as “We’re the only country in the world that could burn US into nuclear dust” by the country’s most popular anchor. :(((((

They’ve lost their collective minds.

“Pretty much all mass media there is controlled by the state.”

How is that different from the here?

“How is that different from the here?”

Are you kidding? There’s only ONE point of view in their mass media. Nothing else is allowed.

Think 1984, the Ministry of Truth.

99.9% of the media are controlled by the state for the purpose of state-sponsored and state-directed Propaganda.

You will find a quite a few Putin lovers/defenders here, NYchick. For some reason they seem to think corrupt crony capitalism, military adventurism, police brutality, big statism, and control of the media is cool when he does it, terrible when we do.

“You will find a quite a few Putin lovers/defenders here.”

I’m not surprised. He’s spending a fortune on propaganda both within AND OUTSIDE the country. Scores of paid shills and trolls on internet, sponsored “analytics” and articles, lots of “useful idiots”.

“Useful idiots” - a phrase coined by Lenin, refers to those in the West who, (sometimes unwittingly, sometimes for money), promoted Bolshevik’s agenda and propaganda.

“99.9% of the media are controlled by the state for the purpose of state-sponsored and state-directed Propaganda.”

Once again.

How is that different from the here?

I’m not defending Putin, just saying our media is state-sponsored and state-directed Propaganda.

see

Susan Rice: Attack on Benghazi was Direct Response To Video …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXy_yhOfNg - 205k -

Yup.

Well Hi,
I remember you made a lot of good points.

Thank you.

Be very careful of befriending Lolas comrade.

The New Yawk I used to know is already destroyed, anyway. All that’s left is maggots feeding on the corpse.
Palmetto, sad but true. Born and raised there, I never thought I’d leave.

Obama looked the most shook-up I’ve ever seen him, on the news.
He made a statement this morning about ISIS (or ISIL as he refers to them) being under control; they apparently missed the memo.

ISIS being CIA creature
More people need to know this.

I’m sick and tied of innocent people getting slaughtered all over the world, and TPTB twiddling their thumbs and obliviously waiting for the Armageddon.
Obama Downplays ISIS Threat: ‘We Have Contained Them’
NYchk, I think it’s more like them wanting (rather than waiting) for (our) Armageddon. They’ll be fine.

“ISIS being CIA creature”

CIA, or KGB? I’d be more inclined to blame the latter.

Taliban in Afghanistan - yes, that was CIA. Islamic terror threat in the Middle East - that was originally bred and sponsored by the KGB. For example, Hezbollah.

Iran, Libya (Gaddafi), Syria, Iraq (Hussein) - Russia’s bosom buddies.

Because it sounds more polite than asshole.

Really, you jumped to a dumb conclusion, thinking I was being funny. Thick as a brick. That’s why Boris.

I didn’t think you were being funny. I thought you were who I said you were.

It’s not polite to voice your theories as to “who’s next to die” on a night like this. New Yorkers know quite well the risks, thank you, without your asinine comments.

As for “Boris”, if that’s the only Russian name you know, you can call me “Stepan”. That would be more appropriate, since I’m more than half Ukrainian, and hate KGB, which incidentally killed and imprisoned quite a lot of my close family.

I also don’t have a penis, but perhaps that’s something we have in common, eh?

crushing.housing.losses.

It’s not polite to voice your theories as to “who’s next to die” on a night like this. New Yorkers know quite well the risks, thank you, without your asinine comments.

Agree. Bad form and maybe bad juju to make remarks like that on a night like this.

Terrorized?

Gee, you’re so clever with the cretin remark, aren’t you? We’re talking about a number of people bursting into a concert with AK-47s. You think that someone in the audience whose had a few beers is going to pull out a small handgun and stop a massacre. I doubt that you could find an example of this taking place anywhere.

Well John Wayne could handle it, easily.

You could, but you would have to dig deep since the MSM doesn’t do stories about people who use guns to save lives as it doesn’t fit their narrative.

but you would have to dig deep

Really? I would think the gun guys would have a convenient master list of such events which they would throw in everyone’s face when needed. The absence of such a list strongly implies such heroics rarely if ever happen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

the MSM doesn’t do stories about people who use guns to save lives

When I was a member of the NRA, (for many years and I have awards) they had a section in their monthly American Rifleman - The Armed Citizen - which listed instances of people defending themselves with guns from robberies, home invasions etc.