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Lessons learned from USA…France to invade Bhutan to punish the culprits behind yesterday’s massacre.
Blackjack Pershing solved this muslim terrorist problem long ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXWArJfMTyc
‘The soldiers soaked their bullets in the pig’s blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist’s bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go. And for the next 42 years, there was not a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world.’
http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
‘Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahad’en began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.’
‘Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?’
‘Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.’
‘Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?’
‘Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?’
‘Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.’
‘Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.’
smh. Russia’s collapse would have merely been delayed if the U.S. did not meddle. The $trillions spent on defense has since then distorted this economy beyond pale, and destroyed the middle class. The Internet economy would have been even more robust with more capital freed to develop.
Then in 1991 when Russia finally collapsed, the same Brzinski types who implied we would have a better world, instead turned up the volume on American military intervention.
July 3, 1979. But that really is not the beginning. America has been at war 222 out of its 239 years.
Soviet Union collapsed not Russia.
Soviet Union collapsed not Russia.
We say The Soviet Union in the states, ya mole ;-l.
The oligarchs looted Russia, then fled to London. Russia didn’t collapse, but much of its wealth was stolen.
The funniest thing to happen today is Lola not posting til after 9 am on a Saturday morning “from Brasil” while a huge international story is going on.
from that Youtube page:
Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines, by Muslim extremists. General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He had his is men slaughter two pigs, in front of the horrified terrorists
What’s ignored in all of this is that these so-called extremists were Filipinos fighting a foreign occupation.
And the Filipino muslims taking infidel slaves and cutting off heads today is called what?
‘France, which has been hit by deadly terror attacks twice this year, is paying the price for its front-line role in combating Islamic militants.’
‘French special forces have been tracking Islamist militants in the Sahara since 2013. France was the first European country to join the U.S. air strikes on Islamic State in Iraq last year and is the only European country to join the U.S. in air strikes in Syria.’
“This attack is linked to our engagement in Syria and Iraq, to our engagement in the Sahel,” Louis Caprioli, the ex-head of DST, France’s former anti-terrorism unit, and now an adviser to Paris-based security consultants Groupe GEOS, said in a telephone interview.’
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/france-pays-price-for-front-line-role-from-syria-to-west-africa
And the Filipino muslims taking infidel slaves and cutting off heads today is called what?
I guess that it would be called slavery and murder. But the topic was American imperialism.
Ah yes - the old “If only France was not involved somewhere with muslims - the muslims would leave France alone argument”.
It has nothing to do with a hostile and violent “culture” now officially at 8% of the French population.
Go google America’s First War.
Muslims taking America ships and forcing their crews into slavery. And forcing the payment of “protection” money.
All before America even had a navy. And not one base in the middle eat either.
Hmmmm - maybe there is a trend here.
And speaking of which. Why is it when muslims invade a country the non-muslims are not allowed to run suicide bombers into concert halls full of muslims in order to “subdue and terrorize” them as their prophet demanded of them?
What exactly are the rules here?
‘French special forces have been tracking Islamist militants in the Sahara since 2013.
I know a young Brazilian guy who just did his time in the Brazilian Army. (”mandatory” but not) He liked it but hated the pay and the no potential action - was bummed that to join the American Army required a green-card first. He wants to be able to own guns have opportunity and a nice car. He says he doesn’t care about getting shot- everyone dies and he wants to live a full life. (Yes USA has more opportunities than Brazil unless connected.)
I told him you can try to join the French Foreign Legion (where they consider the ex-Brazilian soldiers among the best recruits) but there’s a catch. It’s very hard to get in and train, and you will see action as the FFL is about the first to go in anywhere for France and you might be stuck in French Guiana fighting Brazilian illegal gold miners.
He says he’s going to think about it. After this Paris thing? IDK, maybe he’ll want to join more now.
‘If only France was not involved somewhere with muslims - the muslims would leave France alone argument’
French conquest of Algeria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_conquest_of_Algeria
Wikipedia
The French conquest of Algeria took place between 1830 and 1847. In 1827, an argument between Hussein Dey, the ruler of the Ottoman Regency of Algiers
French Resistance and the Algerian War | History Today
http://www.historytoday.com/…/french-resistance-and-algerian-...
History Today
During the 1950s the Algerian struggle against France and its white settlers for independence inflamed passions and hatreds in both countries - while a small …
French Algeria 1830-1962 - The Algerian Story - Google Sites
https://sites.google.com/a/oxy.edu/the-algerian…algeria/french-algeria
In 1827, France issued a 3 year blockade of Algiers as a result of the “fly whisk incident.” Dey Hussein was said to have hit the French Consul with a fly whisk …
The History of French-Muslim Violence Began in the Streets …
time.com/3664161/france-algeria-muslim-violence/
Time
Jan 13, 2015 - The chaotic scenes last week echoed a history of violence between the French and the Algerian Muslims who lived under Paris’s rule for more …
The colonial and post-colonial dimensions of Algerian …
http://www.history.ac.uk/ihr/Focus/…/house.htm...
Institute of Historical Research
‘The colonial and post-colonial dimensions of Algerian migration to France’, an article on Migration history by Jim House, University of Leeds, from History in …
Algiers: a city where France is the promised land …
http://www.theguardian.com/…/algeria-france-colonial-past-islam - The Guardian
The only way to makes sense of the problems Algeria faces today is to look back into its colonial history, says Andrew Hussey. He takes a journey through 21st-century Algiers – into a …
How did Algeria gain independence? - Ask.com
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The Front de Liberation Nationale was a guerrilla organization formed by young Algerian Muslims, and it fought to get independence from France. When the …
[PDF]Algeria gained independence from France in - Freedom …
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Freedom House
Algeria gained independence from France in 1962. The military …. state-co-opted Islamist Movement of Society of Peace (MSP), supported Bouteflika and did.
Algeria 1962
novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans/his135/events/algeria62.htm
Why were the French reluctant to grant Algerian independence and what … to integrate Algeria into France, but he did agree to granting all Muslims French …
Algeria under French Occupation || Imam Reza (A.S.) Network
http://www.imamreza.net › Home › Islamic World › World Muslims
Algeria under French Occupation. Compiled by: Syed Ali Shahbaz On May 18 in 1830 AD, the French army invaded Algeria, following demand by the Algerian …
France Acknowledges Brutal Algeria Rule - Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/france-algeria-rule_n_2...
The Huffington Post
Dec 20, 2012 - ALGIERS, Algeria — French President Francois Hollande acknowledged the “unjust” and “brutal” nature of France’s occupation of Algeria for …
“I know a young Braziian guy …”
I’ll bet.
I looked up America’s wars once. The first was against an Indian tribe as I recall. There was plenty of terrorism in the subjugation of the indigenous population of the continent. It must have been caused by the violent culture of white Americans. You could probably find stuff written by pastors claiming that the Bible condoned the genocide, just as other wrote stuff supporting slavery,
Yeah, and some of the things the Indians did against the white settlers were pretty ghastly as well.
So some tribes may have had a violent culture as well. Maybe nearly all cultures have violence embedded in them.
We stole it from the Indians. Can we at least admit that?
Dec 20, 2012 - ALGIERS, Algeria — French President Francois Hollande acknowledged the “unjust” and “brutal” nature of France’s occupation of Algeria for …
Algeria - A Christian country for almost 1,000 years before being brutally conquered by invading islamic armies with the population given the choice of slavery, converting or death.
Gee - so what are the rules? Can Christians run suicide bombers into muslim concert halls or office building and have the muslims BLAME THEMSELVES like guilty white liberals?
’so what are the rules?’
Judging from the past 3 decades, it’s come down to this: get your ass kicked by goat herders - twice. Fly little unmanned drones around, blowing up weddings. Arm and pit sects against sects. Then act all butt-hurt and innocent when it blows up in your face.
Fly little unmanned drones around, blowing up weddings.
And win a nobel piece prize doing this. Life is good.
get your ass kicked by goat herders - twice. Fly little unmanned drones around, blowing up weddings. Arm and pit sects against sects. Then act all butt-hurt and innocent when it blows up in your face.
60 years of game-playing crystallized into 4 succinct sentences. Bingo.
BTW, there’s no new shame in getting your ass kicked by goat herders. They always win in the end. Alexander tried it, the British tried. Every empire crumbles and bankrupts the invader eventually. The only curiosity is that the US imperialists and their European coat-holders think they are different.
I get the point being made but militarily speaking our guys kicked the living snot out of the goat herders, every time. You don’t have to pretend that isn’t the case for your point to be valid.
My grandfather (who passed away long before I was born) served in WW1 under Pershing, one of my sibs has a photo of him with Pershing and some other servicemen. The story goes that my grandfather would have followed Pershing into hell, and so when Pershing asked him to disarm a ship that had been mined and was sitting at harbor in Marseilles, my grandfather did so (he was an engineer who had graduated from what is now Virginia Tech and was very skilled at transportation and logistics.)
I think I’ve told the story before. It was a successful operation, but left him with a sort of tension trauma for the rest of his life. The French looked on as he and a couple of other guys did their thing. They gave him the highest honor France could, at that time, bestow on a citizen of another country. My bro’ also has the medal that was awarded, solid sterling silver. My grandmother used to say he was given the Croix de Guerre, but we found out later it wasn’t true, if you weren’t a French serviceman, you couldn’t receive that award, so they gave him some sort of other honorific.
After my mother passed, we found all sorts of stuff that had been stored away, related to my grandfather’s time in France. Fascinating. He sure worshiped Pershing.
Cool story, Palmy. I get the feeling our forefathers were made of sterner stuff than we are, although their one great failing was spawning the most worthless generation in human history, the Boomers.
“Cool story, Palmy.”
+1
You think that the boomers are worse than the millenials?
Would Trump “bombing the sh*t out of ISIS” suffice or do we need “boots on the ground?” like the other big government, big interventionist Republican candidates want?
What if we carpet-bombed them with pigs? The Black Jack Pershing/Trump solution.
Rubio/Cotton 2016, purchased by Sheldon Adelson, will deliver the trillion dollar war that needed to start five minutes ago
Neocons gonna neocon
Swine flew!
Forget something cheap efficient and effective. Go with the weak never ending war solution and restructure major parts of the economy towards that end. Progressive simply equals weak.
Progressive simply equals weak.
Oh really. What part of FDR’s response to Hitler and Hirohito was “weak”?
Forget something cheap efficient and effective.
What? Capturing a hundred ISIS guys and throwing pig’s blood on them? That’s your serious suggestion?
Progressive simply equals weak.
‘Round here it equals violent warmongers.
Internment of Japanese Americans wasn’t a weak move either.
Interesting that “progressives” need to mention things from 70 years ago that give current progressives conniption fits. Weak now, weak then. Weak victim philosophy forever.
Real journalists, serving their globalist masters, provide the appropriate narrative of cultural relativism:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/
Muslim immigration to Europe and USA must not stop, globalists need this, globalists want this
“Only a pawn in their game” — Bob Dylan
‘For the past eight decades Saudi Arabia has been careful. Using its vast oil wealth, it’s quietly spread its ultra-conservative brand of Islam throughout the Muslim world, secretly undermined secular regimes in its region, and prudently kept to the shadows while others did the fighting and dying. It was Saudi money that fueled the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, underwrote Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Iran, and bankrolled Islamic movements and terrorist groups from the Caucasus to the Hindu Kush.’
‘It wasn’t a modest foreign policy, but it was a discreet one. Today that circumspect diplomacy is in ruins, and the House of Saud looks more vulnerable than it has since the country was founded in 1926. Unraveling the reasons for the current train wreck is a study in how easily hubris, delusion, and old-fashioned ineptness can trump even bottomless wealth.’
‘It’s also generated a horrendous food and medical crisis and created opportunities for the Islamic State and al-Qaeda to seize territory in southern Yemen. Efforts by the UN to investigate the possibility of war crimes were blocked by Saudi Arabia and the US.’
‘As the Saudis are finding out, war is a very expensive business – a burden they could meet under normal circumstances, but not when the price of the kingdom’s only commodity, oil, is plummeting.’
‘Nor is Yemen the only war that the Saudis are involved in. Riyadh, along with Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, are underwriting many of the groups trying to overthrow Syrian president Bashar al-Assad. When antigovernment demonstrations broke out there in 2011, the Saudis – along with the Americans and the Turks – calculated that Assad could be toppled in a few months. But that was magical thinking.’
‘Minorities like Shiites, Christians, and Druze – were far more afraid of the Islamists from al-Qaeda and the Islamic State than they were of their own government. So the war has dragged on for four years and has now killed close to 250,000 people.’
‘Once again, the Saudis miscalculated, though in this case they were hardly alone.’
‘The war has also generated a flood of refugees, deeply alarming the European Union, which finally seems to be listening to Moscow’s point about the consequences of overthrowing governments without a plan for who takes over. There’s nothing like millions of refugees headed in your direction to cause some serious rethinking of strategic goals.’
‘The Saudis goal of isolating Iran, meanwhile, is rapidly collapsing.’
‘Stymied in Syria, mired down in Yemen, and its finances increasingly fragile, the kingdom also faces internal unrest from its long marginalized Shia minority in the country’s east and south. To top it off, the Islamic State has called for the “liberation” of Mecca from the House of Saud and launched a bombing campaign aimed at the Kingdom’s Shiites.’
https://dispatchesfromtheedgeblog.wordpress.com/
‘Efforts by the UN to investigate the possibility of war crimes were blocked by Saudi Arabia and the US’
The other day I objected to another bomb dropping Clinton. A reader asked where I got that. I posted the articles showing Clinton bombed Iraq 10,000 times. How many of you knew that?
Ten
Thousand
Bombing Raids
I bet the Iraqi’s remember. I read once that if you calculated the number of civilian deaths in the Iraq war, it would take years of 9/11 death tolls to match it.
A 9/11, every day, for YEARS.
Nor has it ended. Antiwar.com has a column dedicated to the daily death toll in Iraq. Every day, it’s like this:
207 Killed across Iraq
by Margaret Griffis, November 13, 2015
http://original.antiwar.com/updates/2015/11/13/kurds-liberate-yazidi-city-207-killed-across-iraq/
Kurdish Forces Assaulting Sinjar; 193 Killed across Iraq – November 12th, 2015
Security Forces Readying Major Operations; 110 Killed across Iraq – November 11th, 2015
206 Killed across Iraq, Mostly in Air Strikes – November 10th, 2015
Children Killed in Coalition Airstrike; 82 Killed across Iraq – November 9th, 2015
Another Round of Bombs in Baghdad; 98 Killed across Iraq – November 8th, 2015
I’m sad that people got killed in Paris and New York. But the inability to connect the dots on these “stirred up Muslims” and blow-back from reckless, violent, aggressive actions of the past is more than a little ridiculous.
Saudi Arabia has been careful. Using its vast oil wealth, it’s quietly spread its ultra-conservative brand of Islam throughout the Muslim world,
We’re not really that close to the Saudis, though, are we?
http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/thumbs/2013/Aug/2/b24886acad9a_sf_8.jpg
Funny how Cathy Sheehan and the daily “War Dead Count” on the evening news dropped the day obama took power…
Well, at least he closed Gitmo.
Better replace him with someone William Kristol endorses, eh goyim?
If Saudi Arabia can’t carry on their wars at low oil prices, then why did they and OPEC vote to keep oil production high, thus keeping prices low? Which is more important, spreading the word of Islam or killing the American frackers?
Look at the magnitude of the destruction in Syria, which shows no signs of abating. Even if the war ended tomorrow, the divisions that spawned it will continue, making rebuilding pointless. Out of this ruined country millions of refugees are going to flow, since vast areas of it have literally been rendered uninhabitable by more than four years of high-intensity warfare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlJKiInKh6Y
You have to wonder about this whole Syria thing. The media and the western governments/allies simply say, Assad has to go. 200,000 dead Syrians, no matter, one guy has to lose his power. Don’t you suppose Assad would love to go? Wouldn’t he rather be sitting on a beach somewhere? IMO, this isn’t about one bad dude. It’s about what would replace him.
”To make matters even more complex – and risky – the warplanes of three countries are buzzing through Syrian air space, not counting the Syrians themselves. U.S. jets are bombing ISIS; Russian jets are bombing the rebels in general; Israeli jets recently pounded Hezbollah targets in the south. Meanwhile, Turkey has confirmed shelling Kurdish targets in the north.’
‘This is crazy. So how did a sensible fellow like Obama get himself into such a mess?’
Worth reading if you have the time:
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/06/obamas-risky-mission-creep-in-syria/
‘This means that military aid will continue to flow, as will cooperation with Turkey and the GCC and deference to Saudi priorities. It’s good news for ISIS and Al Nusra, but devastating for ordinary Syrians fleeing to Europe in order to escape the devastation that the U.S. has unleashed on their homeland.’
‘In a perplexing and dangerous paradox, the empire is now at the mercy of its subaltern states.’
And in the end 20 pissed off guys will still be able to pull off what just happened in Paris. It doesn’t matter how many bombs are dropped, or by whom. This the reality now.
When the tree monkeys in the US have been ignored for long enough, they’ll do it too, certain in their righteousness that slaughtering a few hundred people will save the world.
You have to wonder about this whole Syria thing.
Note that the ISIS offensive cranked up not long after Putin’s intervention. As I posted here not long ago, the Russians fight sloppy and dirty. No wimpy rules of engagement for them. The civilian collateral losses are probably high as they go after both the rebels and ISIS. I’m guessing this has really pissed off ISIS, thus the downing of the Russian jetliner and the Paris attack so close together.
Playing ‘nice’ hasn’t worked either.
I don’t know but his wall idea sounds better and better with each passing day.
Who kicked this beehive? Then gave them weapons?
Syrian rebels who would later join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.
The officials said dozens of future ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.
This was, at least superficially, so they could wage war against the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria, and again, they weren’t called ISIS at the time, they were referred to as the Syrian rebels.
Are low interest increasingly harmful?
They seem like something for nothing that can’t last.
Opinion: Here’s the big problem with low interest rates
By Satyajit Das
Published: Nov 13, 2015 2:42 p.m. ET
Easy money expands bubbles, pinches savers, and stretches pension funds
Bloomberg
Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank and Janet Yellen, chair of the U.S. Federal Reserve.
Since Lehman Brothers went bankrupt in September 2008, the world’s central banks have injected more than $12 trillion under QE (Quantitative Easing) programs into financial markets. More than $26 trillion of government bonds are now trading at yields of below 1% with over $6 trillion currently yielding less than 0%.
These policies, according to policy makers, have been crucial to the “recovery.”
Stock market valuations have increased but remain reliant on low rates and abundant liquidity. The effect on the real economy is less clear. Policy makers argue that without these actions to support growth, employment and investment would have been weaker. It is a proposition that is, of course, impossible to test.
Whatever the initial benefits, low rates and unconventional monetary policy are increasingly counterproductive.
And now there is increasing confusion about future interest rate policy.
David Kelly of JPMorgan Funds makes the case that a slight bump in interest rates would set in motion a virtuous cycle of economic forces.
Markets expect that stronger U.S. employment numbers will drive a rate rise in December. Puzzlingly, Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen has also hinted that more QE or negative interest rates are also possible, should conditions dictate.
There is little agreement among Fed governors about the appropriate policy path for the U.S.. Meanwhile, other central banks are cutting rates.
…
why would uncle fed want to pay member banks more on the excess reserves?
a 1/4 point hike would cost them like 5 billion dollars.
Remember the banks had no role in the creation of the excess reserves from the monetary policy.
When the FED bought the bonds they created deposit money in the account of primary dealers plus reserves at the primary dealers parent bank.
The banks had no control of the excess reserves that were built up by the FED adding trillions to its balance sheet buying bonds.
“why would uncle fed want to pay member banks more on the excess reserves?”
What does it cost the Fed to electronically create another five billion dollars? Wouldn’t this simply amount to creating another book entry on their electronic balance sheet?
Then why haven’t they done that after how many years of talking about it?
They want those excess reserves available when they start liquidating their bond portfolio.
I assume the reverse happens when the FED sells the bonds back to the primary dealers:
Excess reserves are debited at the member bank and deposit money is debited in the primary dealers account.
Also if rates were to go up and bond values down the value of those bonds would take a hit. Then they would be stuck holding them to maturity if they didn’t want to lose and principal.
This whole plan was really dependent on a real recovery forming out of all the stimulus.Then the bonds could be sold back. The problem is that it hasn’t happened. All they can do is keep hoping and killing time.
So every week we have different members talking up rates while others talk them down.
When Bernanke bought the bonds I believe he said most of them would stay on the books until maturity, not sold. In that case the 0.25% rate rise won’t cost the Fed anything except maybe an unrealized paper loss if the bonds fall in resale value.
In before the Lolas and with a link showing armed civilians can stop mass shootings
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/
But France has every gun control common sense law imaginable. The place is a liberal dream where the average person, if lucky, can own a shotgun.
These things can’t happen. Hillary and obama told me so.
I guess if everyone at the show had been carrying they could have wildly returned fire, probably killing even more people than were killed in the actual attack.
Show me your LIEberal gun confiscation list of times armed citizens trying to stop mass shootings have killed more people than the shooter intended to kill.
The point is there isn’t a list of armed citizens stopping mass shootings, no matter what the consequences, since it apparently rarely if ever happens.
One person standing up to bullies is not a novel story at all.
Try the movie “The Man who Shot Liberty Valence”.
For a short read, try David and Goliath.
Fiction is proof! Do you people even read the crap you write? No wonder the liberals laugh at your antics.
You plump Midwesterners would sh*t your britches if you saw a metal show crowd armed with kalishnikovs.
sh*t your britches if you saw a metal show crowd armed with kalishnikovs.
Just think if they saw a rap show audience carrying their AKs.
“I wish I was in Dixie,
With an AK, an AK…”
-Da Lench Mob
A hero is someone who does what they must do despite fear. I knew a man who landed on Iwo. Not all my ideas are from movies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_shootings_at_Parliament_Hill,_Ottawa
Perhaps you Pineapples thing the only thing that stops bad things from happening is Obama.
I provided a link. Plenty of stories. One guy stopped someone with a 1000 rounds.
We’re gonna need a bigger clown car…
Reagan was surrounded by multiple armed guards when he was shot…
Don’t shoot back! You might hurt someone!
Better to sit there and be executed.
At least then they would have gone down fighting.
You can go down fighting with a hand full of rocks.
Guess somebody had a poor Halloween haul, eh Charlie Brown.
Charlie Brown is mad as hell, and he’s not gonna take it anymore.
The rocks in your head have apparently taken their toll on your reasoning abilities.
The first story is from Chicago:
Authorities say no charges will be filed against an Uber driver who shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people in Logan Square over the weekend.
The driver had a concealed-carry permit and acted in the defense of himself and others, Assistant State’s Attorney Barry Quinn said in court Sunday.
This disproves the narratives that crime problems in Chicago are a result of gun control.
It doesn’t disprove anything; it just shows that gun control doesn’t work. Do you see these same kinds of shootings in Houston? No? Why not?
I “Trumped” you on yesterday’s blog.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2015-11-14 09:02:53
the MSM doesn’t do stories about people who use guns to save lives
When I was a member of the NRA, (for many years and I have awards)
they had a section in their monthly American Rifleman - The Armed Citizen - which listed instances of people defending themselves with guns from robberies, home invasions etc.
Well, I wouldn’t call the American Rifleman part of the MSM, but RedJHauk did provide a link to a Washington Post article which has links to a bunch of other MSM articles, so this charge against the MSM has been disproven.
Well, I wouldn’t call the American Rifleman part of the MSM,
I meant I’d “Trumped” RedProxyStrawberryShrimpClubber aka Mr. IneedaSafePlaceForJustMyOpinions. (See yesterday) And you made a valid point imo that “this charge against the MSM has been somewhat dis-proven.”
Now. I’d like to see a study on how many crimes concealed carry has thwarted and the type of crimes vs the crimes, injuries and acts of of escalated violence that concealed-carry has contributed of.
I thinks this is needed for any serious arguments going forward.
Did you call for open borders?
No, it hasn’t. They don’t publish what doesn’t fit their narrative.
Just like the media isn’t talking about who did the shootings in France and why the did it.
“the MSM doesn’t do stories about people who use guns to save lives”
+1 You’re right… yellow journalism and propaganda abound.
Last night:
‘You will be much more fearful and uncertain next year, then the year after that, etc., etc., etc…….thru about 2019. ..We’ve been saying that about Vancouver for 25 years. I also said that about Las Vegas and it finally tanked…….after 27 years….You’ve been saying that for ten years….’
Heh heh, yeah, keep counting those banana’s in your heads. The ass poundings have begun.
‘Starts are getting ahead of household formations in Collier County’
‘I’m telling clients — and not making public — that we think we are past the peak and they should get realistic and drop the price, take the bid and move on…Secured at a large discount as a move that will send shivers through the market. ‘If one developer does it, will others?’
‘She thinks part of the reason it’s been slow is because she’s competing with new construction in the area. She doesn’t want to drop her price because she put in a $100,000 pool and spent at least another $10,000 on window treatments, shutters and automated blinds. At that time, she said, ‘I could have sold in a day. It was tougher to find a renter than a buyer at that time. Now it’s kind of flip-flopped.’
‘More than half (57 percent) of new foreclosures in August were re-defaults…That is likely continuing into October’s numbers. ‘A representative of one of the major banks told me that many of the properties they are taking back are highly distressed in terms of condition and in neighborhoods with virtually no buyers, so they are having trouble even giving some of those properties away’
‘This was supposed to be Rio’s moment of splendor on the global stage..Instead, properties are going for the price of a banana.’
‘You just need to drive round to see the ‘to let’ and ‘for sale’ signs all over the west end of Aberdeen…I think a lot of buy-to-let speculators who mortgaged to acquire property are finding it tough. They need to get rental income in and there just aren’t the people there anymore.’
‘What happened to $1 million in home equity? It vanished down the China sinkhole. ‘It’s been dramatic, mate. Absolutely dramatic.’
‘They cut the workforce in half due to the lower prices of copper and less demand because China is no longer buying…Things are looking bad here in Chile.’
‘closing the mine ‘will bring untold misery to this town.’ ‘If the mine is not running,’ Zulu said, ‘this town is going to die just like a ghost town.’
‘Difficulties began a few years ago..Before, there were queues of people wanting to buy apartments. This is no longer the case.’ ‘We did not know how to adapt to the new growth model…There is no work in the factories anymore’
‘Energy company tenants have now begun to ask for rental relief and are offering subleases for as little as half the going rate..’It is a bloodbath…We’re at the highest point of fear and uncertainty now’
‘A plethora of unsold condominiums is cause for concern for the health of Ottawa’s housing market, especially since more units are set to flood the market in coming months…builders have misread the market and overbuilt condominium units…buyers prefer single detached homes’
‘Scholars of sports history often expect such economic downturns to materialize after the Olympics, when spending on construction dries up and the flood of tourists subsides…But Rio is adding a new twist to this model as the economy here sharply deteriorates in the months ahead of the Games’
‘There’s a lot more inventory relative to the sales activity occurring in that $600,000-plus segment of the detached market…October sales in the city declined by 33 per cent year-over-year…sellers and buyers have to have hard discussions about their objectives’
‘ The country is hooked on debt, the shadow banking sector has imploded, so-called “zombie” companies are yet to be weeded out, the property market sometimes shows signs of a bubble and major industries are slowing’
‘China banks are sitting on roughly $14 billion more of bad debt than they were in June to a total of 1.19 trillion yuan. The China Banking Regulatory Commission said the non-performing loan ratio on the nation’s banks was 1.59%, up from 1.5% in June. Most in the market discount that number and believe it to be 10 times that.’
‘there is overcapacity in a number of sectors loaded with debt…We think there can be more bad news to come in the banking sector. It’s hard to know for sure because transparency is not there, so we prefer not to be there either’
http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=9346
“10 times that”
More and more cracks appearing.
The distant roar of a gigantic flushing toilet can now be heard.
There is no buyer of rotting bananas at 59 cents. Sorry Jingle_Fraud.
Stocks down, oil down, gold down, housing down…
WHAZZUP???
Oh no, not yet another DEATH CROSS!
U.S. stocks post largest weekly loss in months
By Anora Mahmudova and Carla Mozee
Published: Nov 13, 2015 5:50 p.m. ET
U.S. stocks fell sharply Friday, extending a multiday tumble and logging their worst weekly losses in months as lackluster retail data and slumping commodities combined to sap demand for equities.
The S&P 500 index turned negative for the year and fell below its 200-day moving average, a critical support level, which many market technicians view as a bearish sign.
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once the short sellers stopped buying the market ran out of steam cause buybacks alone cant keep the whole ponzi together.
Gold logs a 4th straight weekly loss
By Myra P. Saefong and Mark DeCambre
Published: Nov 13, 2015 2:27 p.m. ET
Gold tally longest stretch of weekly losses since July
Reuters
Swiss Franc bank notes and a one kilograms gold bar are displayed in a Swiss bank.
Gold futures held ground at more than five-year low on Friday, extending their losing streak to a fourth week in a row, the longest stretch of weekly declines since late July.
December gold shed 10 cents to settle at $1,080.90 an ounce on Comex, the lowest settlement for a most-active contract since February 2010.
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Here’s some five-year charts of gold, silver, copper, etc:
http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=METALS&p=m1
Here’s a five-year chart of the U.S. dollar:
http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=DX&p=w1
The worthless fiat rules.
Well, my gold is still nice and shiny, and shiny is my favorite color. I’ll take what comfort I can in that.
House prices are up. So that means you keep buying houses?
Smart people buy what the central banks are buying and Chinese are buying: gold. At bargain prices.
Oh I bought smart… at 650. I just didn’t sell smart.
Marketwatch dot com
Oil’s 8% weekly drop largest since March
By Myra P. Saefong and Georgi Kantchev
Published: Nov 13, 2015 3:27 p.m. ET
BHI U.S. oil-rig count up; IEA sees slower 2016 demand growth
Getty Images
An oil rig outside Watford City, North Dakota.
Oil futures tumbled on Friday, capping a brutal string of sharp drops for crude that resulted in prices seeing their worst weekly decline in about eight months.
Friday’s fall for crude accelerated after data revealed the first rise in the U.S. oil-rig count in 11 weeks and a monthly report showed a forecast for slower growth in global oil demand next year.
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December West Texas Intermediate crude dropped $1.01, or 2.4%, to settle at $40.74 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange—for a weekly loss of about 8%. That was the largest weekly loss since the 9.6% decline for the week ended March 13.
On its contract expiration day, December Brent crude fell 45 cents, or 1%, to end at $43.61 a barrel on London’s ICE Futures exchange, with the contract losing 8.1% on the week. January Brent crude which is now the front-month contract, fell 72 cents, or 1.6%, to $44.47.
Data from Baker Hughes showed the number of active U.S. oil-drilling rigs rose by 2 to 574 as of Friday. The industry uses the data to gauge the potential for changes to output levels, and increase shows a shift following 10 consecutive weeks of declines.
Earlier Friday, in a monthly report, the International Energy Agency forecast global oil-demand growth of 1.2 million barrels a day in 2016. That would follow an estimated 1.8 million-barrel a day growth in demand this year, which was a five-year high.
The IEA also said that global stockpiles at a near-record three billion barrels are providing world markets with a degree of comfort and offer an “unprecedented buffer” against unexpected supply disruptions.
“The market has come to the realization that we are oversupplied to the point that global inventories are brimming, and oil transportation is getting backed up,” Matt Smith, a commodity analyst at ClipperData, told MarketWatch.
The supply overhang was especially pronounced in U.S. government data released Thursday, which showed an increase of 4.2 million barrels in crude supplies for the week ended Nov. 6.
Supplies at 487 million barrels are “just shy of record levels, while there are 37 vessels off the U.S. Gulf Coast with crude waiting to be discharged,” said Smith. Add to this bearish rhetoric from both the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and IEA monthly reports “about bloated inventories, and the bulls have thrown in the towel,” he said.
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I hope gas gets cheaper at the big box stores.
I see people waiting in huge lines at costco to save 10 cents.
What once was 2% is now 5% off.
It’s the same at the local Kroger (AKA King Soopers) where you get 10 cents off for every $100 you spend in the store. People line up to save maybe $2 on a tank. At least it’s open 24/7, so if your timing is right there are no lines.
I think you can accumulate enough to get a buck a gallon off, which is still only 20 bucks on a tank…. But that can be pretty significant if you don’t make much.
I use both the Safeway and Fred Meyer fuel discount points, and you can get up to $1 off per gallon. Safeway lets you get up to 25 gallons, and Fred Meyer 35 gallons.
I bring a vehicle with an empty tank and as many extra fuel containers as I need to get the maximum allowable number of gallons. Lately I’ve been using the reward points to purchase diesel for my VW TDi - diesel keeps for a long time, so I currently have 25 gallons of diesel sitting in the back yard shed.
What are you talking about?
Costco is a heck of a lot cheaper than that around my area. Just filled up there tonight at $2.27, whereas all of the other surrounding stations are at $2.79. That savings adds up fast.
WSJ dot com
3:43 pm ET
Nov 13, 2015
Housing Market Faces Slower Growth in 2016, Realtors Say
By Laura Kusisto
CONNECT
A home for sale in the Bucktown neighborhood of Chicago in September. More than 5.4 million existing single-family homes will be sold in 2016, up from an estimated 5.3 million homes sold in 2015, says the Realtors’ chief economist.
SCOTT OLSON/GETTY IMAGES
Home sales will continue to grow next year, but will face headwinds including a lack of first-time buyers and rising mortgage rates, Realtors say.
More than 5.4 million existing single-family homes will be sold in 2016, up from an estimated 5.3 million homes sold in 2015, Lawrence Yun, chief economist at the National Association of Realtors, said at the group’s convention Friday in San Diego.
Mr. Yun anticipates that median home prices will grow at an annual rate of 5%, compared with 6% this year.
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I don’t know about the rest of the country, but in Manhattan the inventory is low, the buyers are active, and the prices keep going up.
It’s insane, kind of like watching 2005-2006 all over again.
‘in Manhattan the inventory is low’
‘One major investment broker, on condition of anonymity, confided, ‘I’m telling clients — and not making public — that we think we are past the peak and they should get realistic and drop the price, take the bid and move on.’ Manhattan is still strong, our source noted, but secondary and tertiary markets and projects are taking the hit. Cap rates, which are indicative of the going-in return on investment, had been plunging, but are just starting to rise again as some prices fall.”
“There are thousands of pricey, available residential condo units, and he pointed to Gary Barnett’s decision to market a group of rental units at One57 through Eastdil Secured at a large discount as a move that will send shivers through the market. ‘If one developer does it, will others?’ he wondered.’
I just visited Philly.
“Luxury” condos that were completed on the waterfront there five years ago are STILL advertising…
“I don’t know about the rest of the country, but in Manhattan the inventory is low, the buyers are active, and the prices keep going up.”
ehhhh. not really. not at all. Dark towers, massive inventory rising, prices falling.
What “dark towers”? Where?
Coop market in Manhattan is red hot. There’s almost nothing worthwhile on the market, and the minute something shows up, it gets snapped up.
It’s deja vu, and total insanity.
For example, the sellers in one of the (formerly) more reasonable coops on the UWS (butt ugly, but an OK location) suddenly decided to raise the prices of true one bedrooms from around $750,000 to $850,000 and more. In another (extremely shitty) building on the UES, all apartments also suddenly jacked their prices up by $100 000, from $450K to $550K - it turned out, “the board was unhappy with lower prices”. Boo-hoo! LOL
The boots on the ground reality is quite different. And we discussed the multitude of dark residential towers in Manhattan in the past few months.
Remember that?
With wages falling - why aren’t housing prices falling (hint: think big government and cheap money)
With democrats controlling the governor’s office and both houses of the CA house/senate by wide margins - why does CA have the HIGHEST income inequality in America (hint: think liberals/progressives really could care less about your job and the economy, they just want your vote)
With democrats controlling the governor’s office and both houses of the CA house/senate by wide margins - why does CA have the HIGHEST poverty rates in America? (hint: think liberals/progressives really could care less about helping those in poverty, they just want your vote)
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California’s economy is booming, so why is it No. 1 in poverty?
Chris Kirkham - LA Times - 14 NOV 2015
From a quick glance at the headline numbers, California’s economy looks to be in its strongest shape in years.
Moreover, many experts say the official poverty rate fails to account for variations in public benefits and costs of living. A separate federal benchmark, known as the Supplemental Poverty Measure, shows a much higher poverty rate for California: 23.4%, the highest in the nation, according to the most recent data.
“The fact that California housing is so much more expensive means the threshold to be in poverty is a lot higher,” said David Cooper of the Economic Policy Institute in Washington.
The percentage of people living in poverty in each county differs widely when factoring in costs such as housing.
Median wages in California declined significantly during the Great Recession, according to an analysis of U.S. census data by the California Budget & Policy Center.
Though income inequality has been increasing across the U.S., the effects are more extreme in California. Since 2006, median wages have declined 6.2% in California, compared with a drop of 1.9% for the U.S. overall.
state workers are doing well.
“Moreover, many experts say the official poverty rate fails to account for variations in public benefits and costs of living.”
Does the official poverty rate reflect the situations of permanent campers living under bridges and such?
In sacramento most of the homeless are camped out within the riparian vegetation along the american river and sacramento river. Discovery park is @ the confluence and they tend to hang out around there. There are tents all over down there. About 8:00 they start crawling out of the woods on beach cruisers bound for some socializing and shopping. Richards blvd has a bunch of cheap motels where they stay sometimes, motel 6 for example.
Locals are pissed because they keep starting fires and destroying the habitat for the critters. Also they are scared to ride on the bike trails because people get robbed.
It will be interesting how they deal with the homeless when the new arena opens next year.
I’ve seen the big Sacramento encampments myself while biking there on many visits years ago, a long standing problem. Same deal on a smaller scale where I live in Santa Rosa, there are two really nice bike paths that terminate downtown and one is quite scenic as it follows a creek…but both have a very heavy homeless presence close in to town. The county cleans out the encampments a couple of times a year but they reappear quickly. I’ve been riding the paths regularly for years and have not had any real trouble but am wary and try to get through the sketchy parts quickly. Only rarely do I see bicycle cops on the paths…..
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/2304333-181/trails-homeless-camps-pose-dilemma?page=0
Sacramento, CA Housing Prices Fall 5% YOY
http://www.zillow.com/east-sacramento-sacramento-ca/home-values/
“With wages falling - why aren’t housing prices falling (hint: think big government and cheap money)”
Regarding houses, affordability isn’t a function of price, affordability is a function of the cost of the monthly payments.
Prices of houses cannot be allowed to fall because falling house prices will destroy huge amounts of household wealth - wealth as determined by home equity, which in turn is determined by the price. So to keep prices up affordability must always be at hand, which means low monthly payments must always be at hand.
Are you sure?
Denver, CO Housing Prices Crater 12% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/cherry-creek-denver-co/home-values/
Lol. Take a good look at the link you posted and check out the charts with the rising lines.
Why can’t Johnny math?
Prices down 12%. What’s not to like?
Remember….. current housing prices are 3X higher than long term trend and 4x construction cost*.
*$55/sq ft, lot, labor, materials and profit.
Ban Ban, wages are rising not falling.
Worker pay rising at fastest rate since 2009
Lola,
Now do you really think wages are going to triple to meet grossly inflated prices of housing? Of course not. Housing prices will continue falling to meet current wages.
Carmel by the Sea / Stockton
like Earth / Pluto
It is a big state. Rich and poor all enjoying the sunshine. You are free to move if you dont like it. Free choice.
In California, since the climate is the best in the world, the ones who want to stay have converted their traditional IRAs to Roth IRAs, invest in short term treasuries so the income is not taxed by California, and enjoy the palm trees and sunsets.
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-11-13 05:39:34
from the article;
” while its underside is compromised by currents carrying warmer ocean water, and the glacier is now breaking away into bits and pieces and retreating into deeper ground.”
Here’s the brain teaser. If You have 5 billion tons of ice floating in the ocean, and it all melts, how many inches will the level of the oceans rise?
Well, I had so much fun reading the answers from yesterday I thought I’d “float” the challenge again. Anyone want to give it a go?
Jethro, you are disqualified today. Only one fuzzy stuffed animal per contestant.
Does it have something to do with white students being asked to leave “Black-Only Healing Spaces”
That might be an extra credit topic, somehow.
Warmists gonna warm.
You calculate that they’re gonna kill us iffin they can, don’t you Danny.
My challenge is for you to learn what a glacier and an ice shelf are.
I think your response is evasive and disconnected from the question. Sorry, try again.
evasive and disconnected from the question
Stumped you again, eh? I’ll help:
“An ice shelf is a thick floating platform of ice that forms where a glacier or ice sheet flows down to a coastline and onto the ocean surface. Ice shelves are only found in Antarctica, Greenland and Canada.”
“A glacier is a persistent body of dense ice that is constantly moving under its own weight; it forms where the accumulation of snow exceeds its ablation (melting and sublimation) over many years, often centuries. Glaciers slowly deform and flow due to stresses induced by their weight, creating crevasses, seracs, and other distinguishing features. They also abrade rock and debris from their substrate to create landforms such as cirques and moraines. Glaciers form only on land and are distinct from the much thinner sea ice and lake ice that form on the surface of bodies of water.”
wikipedia
So you see? The glacier is on land, and holds huge amounts of fresh water. It is slowed from dumping this water into the ocean by an ice shelf that floats. As that ice shelf melts, the glacier runs into the ocean more rapidly, dumping massive amounts of water.
Junior high science, mr. scientist. If that’s your secret knowledge that makes you sure global warming is no big deal, we’re in trouble.
So does this explain why in the last ice age there was a mile thick layer of ice over NYC and why in the middle of the last “warm period” there were tropical rain forests and alligators in Alaska?
All before the first SUV?
Spin and deflect, banana, spin and deflect, as mr. science is taught junior high science.
Sorry Oddie, there seems to be a disconnect. The article yesterday talked about a very large mass of ice out over warm ocean water, and it is breaking up. My question was about that ice, which is over water. My question was very clear and specific. You keep answering about land ice. This lack of sticking to the actual question tends to look like hiding something.
Please try again.
. My question was about that ice, which is over water. My question was very clear and specific.
Yes, I’m aware you’re teasing out one aspect of the situation and using it as a straw man to discredit the science behind what is happening. That’s what I’m exposing.
The facts of the article you posted are that land-based glaciers (redundant) are flowing more quickly into the sea because the ice shelf holding them back is melting. This increased flow of the glaciers into the ocean will greatly raise sea levels.
You are implying this rise in sea levels will not occur, because ice shelves already float on the ocean, and thus don’t affect sea levels when they melt. But glaciers don’t float on the ocean, they flow into the ocean, thus raising sea levels, and that is what the article is describing.
You are wrongly conflating ice shelves and glaciers, and thus are either confused or trying to confuse others, as to what the article is describing.
So which is it? Do you not understand the most basic aspects of science (the difference between an ice shelf and a glacier) or are you trying to deceive us?
You are damn pleased with your straw man, aren’t you?
I have made no attempt to draw any conclusions beyond the specific point that I raised. Sometimes the whole of something is made up of smaller parts. I found it interesting in the article that one gross error jumped out and I put it to you. Squirming around and avoiding discussing that does not qualify as an answer to my question.
It is always OK to say that you do not know.
The fact that a newspaper article was poorly written disproves climate science? Good grief.
He’s obviously a man of rare insight, that the rest of the world just doesn’t get.
And he won’t share, except in riddles and misleading thought-games.
Now Oddie, I said nothing about climate change. You introduced that, which was outside the scope of my question. The thought exercise wasn’t a difficult or obscure one, it’s actually quite elementary. If you want to discuss some larger topic, start a thread! Still, you can’t have a logical train of thought with derailed cars.
So you understand that the melting ice shelf means increased flow of the glaciers’ water into the oceans? And that this will result in a rather large increase in sea levels? Because something about your thought-game seems to imply otherwise.
Well Oddie, it is a very interesting question you pose about if the floating part of a glacier headed to sea actually acts like a dam for the ice sheet on land. This would be a very interesting conversation, but it would be a different conversation. We’d have to get into the fluid properties of ice and other things.
So, if the block of ice breaks off and is floating and melts, does it raise the ocean level as it melts? This is a very singular problem, without twists and turns. It is a question that the ancients settled long ago. Is that a helpful hint?
Please try again.
Think of the sky as a dump or a landfill. I know, this blows your tiny mind.
When we used horses they pooped on the ground and we could see it. now we “poop” in the air. got waste?
If You have 5 billion tons of ice floating in the ocean, and it all melts, how many inches will the level of the oceans rise?
Insufficient data. Is the ice frozen seawater (e.g., Arctic ice) or frozen freshwater, calved from glaciers?
As I posted yesterday, freshwater ice melting in seawater raises the ocean level due to the 2.7% difference in density. Freezing/unfreezing of seawater has little effect on sea level because the density of the melting ice is the same as the ocean.
“As I posted yesterday, freshwater ice melting in seawater raises the ocean level due to the 2.7% difference in density. Freezing/unfreezing of seawater has little effect on sea level because the density of the melting ice is the same as the ocean.”
It’s not about density, it’s about displacement:
Archimedes Principle:
“Any object, wholly or partially immersed in a fluid, is buoyed up by a force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object.” — Archimedes of Syracuse
It’s not about density, it’s about displacement:
But density drives displacement. One cubic foot of freshwater ice can only displace 0.97 cubic feet of seawater. At that point sea level is unchanged. When the ice melts, the 0.97 ft3 displaced is replaced by 1.00 ft3 of water, causing the sea level to rise due to extra 0.03 ft3.
Sorry WPA, it is not about density at all. Yes the ice is “freshwater” in this question. The problem to solve is not about 1 ft3 of ice, it is about 1 ton of ice. You don’t know the volume of the ice, because I didn’t give you enough information to figure that out. You don’t know the density of it. Ice can be more dense than water, it depends. Good try though.
Combo gets a cupie doll, thank you. Bullseye.
“But density drives displacement.”
That and volume. As ice freezes the volume of water that makes up the ice increases, and at the same time (and at the same proportion) its density decreases. This is why ice floats on water.
But when the ice melts the volume of water is once again reduced and the density once again returns.
Blue Skye and Combo: it’s all about the density of saltwater. All explained here, with photos of water levels rising in a beaker:
https://nsidc.org/news/newsroom/20050801_floatingice.html
Like I said yesterday, put an ice cube in a glass of salty water and you can see and measure the water rise yourself.
Density doesn’t matter, much. It’s about the fact that ice shelves hold back glaciers. Without them all those centuries of frozen water held in glaciers, on land, pours into the oceans.
Don’t miss the forest for the trees.
Hold back anything has nothing to do with the question that I asked.
You cannot have a logical train of thought with one of the cars off the tracks.
Please try again if you are inclined to do so.
I agree with you about the importance of ice shelves. But the original homework question posed was an attempt to assert that all floating ice, when melted, can never raise water levels, which isn’t true.
Logic train: Ice shelves form off shore of glaciers, holding back the land-based glaciers’ flow into the ocean. As ice shelves melt, from the warmer than usual water underneath them, the glaciers are able to flow more quickly into the ocean, dumping their centuries worth of ice into the sea, raising sea levels.
Now you understand some basic science that relates to climate change! See, it wasn’t that hard.
WPA, from your link:
“Figure 1: A freshwater ice cube floats in a beaker of concentrated saltwater.”
I noticed he used the term “concentrated saltwater” instead of “seawater”. This makes a difference, and this is why:
If “concentrated saltwater” is saturated saltwater then the dynamic equilibrium that exists between the water molecules and the salt molecules will be stabelized UNTIL more water - freshwater - is added to the solution. At this point the added freshwater will interact with some of the salt - some of the salt that is not already associated with water molecules (remember, this is a beaker of concentrated saltwater) and the resulting salt-water molecule arrangement will increase the volume of the saltwater.
However seawater is not concentrated saltwater; seawater is far from being concentrated, therefore there is not any excess salt molecules available in the seawater to interact with the addition of freshwater to cause a volume expansion.
Wikipedia says saturated salt water is about 26% salt (depending on the temperature) and seawater is 3.5% salt.
” As ice shelves melt, from the warmer than usual water underneath them…”
I’ll take note of that. It might make a really interesting challenge question for another time. Thank you.
Now, if the block of ice is already bobbing in the sea and it melts…..
Try again.
Now, if the block of ice is already bobbing in the sea and it melts…..
Sigh, you’re still having problems with the basic nature of what’s happening. The ice shelves float, and as such won’t contribute too much to sea level’s rise. But they will melt faster as the water they float on gets warmer, as is happening. As the shelves melt, this allows the glaciers, which are rivers of ice that are dammed up by these ice shelves, to flow much more quickly into the oceans, depositing the billions of tons of water that they are now sequestering on land in the form of massive ice floes, into the oceans. This will raise sea levels significantly.
It’s really not that complicated.
Combo — the concentrated saltwater vs seawater adds a complicating factor as you note. However, since seawater is not concentrated that molecular stuff is a minor player; the primary factor is Archimedes’ principle of displacement
mass = density * volume
Imagine if the ocean was 2x the density of water. Freeze 10 gallons of water. Throw it into the ocean; the ice can only displace 5 gallons worth of ocean. Ice melts, the 5 gallons displaced is restored plus it gains an extra 5, causing the level to rise.
“Imagine if the ocean was 2x the density of water. Freeze 10 gallons of water. Throw it into the ocean; the ice can only displace 5 gallons worth of ocean. Ice melts, the 5 gallons displaced is restored plus it gains an extra 5, causing the level to rise.”
Let’s look at this in a different way:
Take a mole of fresh water, freeze it, and then throw it into seawater; This frozen mole of fresh water will then float and it will displace its weight of seawater and this displacement of seawater will cause the level of seawater to rise.
Then after this mole of fresh water melts it will still be there displacing the same amount of seawater. The only way this will be different (excluding such things as evaporation) is if the fresh water interacts with the salt in the seawater such a way so as to increase the volume of space taken up by each molecule that makes up the mole of fresh water, and this will happen if the seawater is saturated with salt. But seawater is not saturated with salt, therefore it will not happen.
It’s interesting that the experimenter used “concentrated saltwater” to perform his experiment rather that just plain seawater, or water that is comparable to seawater.
“the 5 gallons displaced is restored plus it gains an extra 5, causing the level to rise”
You added 10 gallons of water. Fine, 10 is not 5. That is not exactly the answer to the question either.
“It’s really not that complicated.”
Correct! So, if you have 5 billion tons of ice floating in the ocean, and it all melts, how many inches will the level of the oceans rise? It is not that complicated of a question. Are you able to answer that?
The phase change of given amount of water from a liquid to a solid or from a solid to a liquid does not change the mass of the given amount of water and thus it will not change the amount of displacement that will occur.
There would be a sea level rise of 18 inches if the glacier referenced in your article melts completely. As your article states. Do you read these articles you post about, or are you just blowing smoke?
Oddie, I read the article closely before commenting on it by questioning one little part of it. I see you have finally read the article.
I had several other questions from the article, but only posted one. I thank everyone who actually tried to answer my question for a good conversation. the answers made me think as well.
“So does this explain why in the last ice age there was a mile thick layer of ice over NYC and why in the middle of the last “warm period” there were tropical rain forests and alligators in Alaska?
All before the first SUV?
+100
A Practical question:
If you take a 16 ounce glass filled with 12 ounces of water and a teaspoon of salt, and submerge a one ounce ice cube on the bottom and allow a 1.5 ounce ice cube to float on the top and then allow the contents to warm to room temperature………Will it stop this?
http://www.oceanclimatechange.org.au/content/images/uploads/sea_level_fig1.jpg
I have no problem with you running a competing brain twister. Please do consider that it does not qualify as an entry answer to the question.
Please try again.
“The Recessions Are Underway”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-13/recessions-are-underway
You can’t post that here. Stick with the New York Times
North Dallas, TX Housing Craters; Prices Plunge 30% YOY
http://www.zillow.com/north-dallas-dallas-tx/home-values/
Our tax dollars at work.
http://news.yahoo.com/dozens-afghan-troops-defect-taliban-helmand-fighting-080700249.html
New and old characters appearing and reappearing, same old ghost writing.
Gotcha.
When will the Fed’s debasement of the currency result in the dollar losing its world reserve status? No more exporting our inflation to the rest of the world or cheap Chinese crap at Wal-Mart….
http://wolfstreet.com/2015/11/14/chinese-yuan-has-arrived-at-elite-club-for-sinners-currency-warriors-the-dollar-euro-yen-and-pound/
This just in, directly from Putin’s personal email account….
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-14/frances-far-right-party-calls-nation-re-arm-itself-revoke-muslims-passports-eradicat
And this is how spineless castratos respond to atrocities perpetrated against them and western civilization.
http://www.businessinsider.com/paris-peace-sign-on-social-media-2015-11
Cultural relativists deserve everything they’ve got coming
NPR is laying it on pretty thick right now…
“NPR is laying it on pretty thick right now…”
Not sure I could listen to it.
Then do what? Aren’t we all tired of bombing? The more we bomb, they will find ways to get back to us.
Obama administration expediting importation of people who love us for our Freedom.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576
As long as they vote democrat for generations - it is worth a few hundred dead in concert halls.
Please share with us objective evidence that any of the refugees are aligned with ISIS.
Salon dot com provides the cultural relativist narrative:
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/it_was_probably_not_the_amish_bill_maher_urges_liberals_to_wake_up_about_islam_after_paris_attacks/
I give your a jar of M&Ms. I tell only about 10% are toxic and will kill you.
Do you:
A. Grab a handful. Eat. Hope for the best.
B. Push the bowl away.
Then I tell you the rest of the M&Ms are made in a factory in which the workers believe it is their god given right to kill you, rape your daughters and enslave anyone remaining as their pedophile and slave trader prophet wrote int heir holy book.
Do you:
A. Shout all cultures are equal! Diversity is our strength!
B. Boycott M&Ms
I dont accept gifts from idiots.
Diversity is our strength!
Those commies who make M&Ms must think that way. Look at the way that all of the colors are mixed together.
Merkel the Idiot “shocked” by Paris attacks as she throws open the gates to millions of the attackers’ co-religonists.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/breaking_idiot_shocked_by_paris_attacks.html
Yeah…The former secret police agent has gone off the reservation. It’s either mental illness or a complete hatred for you citizens and the western way of life.
http://www.infowars.com/merkel-calls-for-tolerance-towards-migrants-after-paris-massacre/
I think you will see a huge wave of Nationalism erupt in Europe very soon. Bye Bye EU.
Churchill on Islam.
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/11/14/quote-of-the-day-islam-edition/
TRUMP
SUCKS
WINS
For Hillary, yes.
Hillarious.
I am the art of the deal.
Prune that Pineapple.
farts loud
Thigh Gap White House!
The first to go poof is the value of the equity. The next to go poof is the value of the debt that was backed by the value of the equity:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/moodys-sees-worst-deterioration-in-junk-bond-market-since-great-recession-2015-11-13
No dollar escapes.
More black swans circling.
http://wolfstreet.com/2015/11/13/moodys-warns-about-looming-credit-crunch-unnerves-with-comparisons-to-2008-2009/
We are all victims and deserve a bailout
The forced collective suicide of European nations and western civilization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
“Presidential candidate Donald Trump blamed Barack Obama for the terrorist attacks in Paris on Saturday…”
F–k you Trump. F–k you for exploiting the deaths of over a hundred innocent civilians for cheap political points. This bloviating blowhard’s character flaws make him unfit to hold office.
Trump is gonna steamroll Hillary next year
And when Trump the Trojan Horse gets into office and reveals his true self, enabling the oligarchy to take over the levers of power, Goon will be bitching and moaning about big, bad government as being worse than GWB. Too bad you can’t see it now.
News flash, Corky, the oligarchs took the levers of power decades ago - they’re just getting more brazen with their swindles and larceny against the 99%. So now we have a simple choice to make: go with Oligopoly water carriers like HillaryJeb, Rubio, or their ilk, or take a chance on Trump, who may be a flawed human being with plenty of douche-like characteristics, but who actually has a shot at greatness if he decides to make his mark as a President who isn’t a puppet of the corporatocracy and who genuinely gives a damn about the people of this nation.
Agree. I think his massive ego will cause him to prove what he can do from a business and administrative perspective. He has an insatiable need to win and a thirst for greatness.
Donald Trump is an unstoppable force of nature
Dude, your man-crush is a bit…unseemly. I mean, Trump is maybe the best of some not-so-great options, but don’t be blind the fact he may be a complete and utter Elmer Gantry.
Goon’s on the rebound. He’s gotta cling to somebody now that Rand Paul has cratered.
Donald Trump is an unstoppable force of nature
Would such an unstoppable force ever leave office once it gets in?
Or would we get our own Putin?
If William Kristol hates Trump that’s all the reason I need to vote for him
Hillary is owned by AIPAC
Elmer Gantry
I don’t think so. For one thing, he doesn’t even look like Jim Thorp. I’d rather a pompus clumsy guy who is mad about the system than a charismatic Gantry sort.
And your solution is the old nag Trojan horse?
Rasmussen has Trump up over Clinton.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/clinton_vs_trump_fiorina
The statistical brains over at 538 analyzed all of the pollsters following Obama’s 2012 victory. They found that Rasmussen’s average bias in polling was R +3.7%, meaning they consistently overestimated Republican support.
If Ras is currently showing Trump over Clinton 38-36, subtracting out their bias means the true number is probably Clinton over Trump 38-36.
From your spacious empty skull directly to The White House, Donald Trump lives comfortably….. and rent free.
The Left’s fear of Trump shown by constant bashing is all the poll I need comrade. Keep pimping open borders Shill for Hill.
get ready for the big gov, big spending Trump for 4.
then a lot of , I told ya so.
I don’t fault Obama for the Paris attacks. I do fault him for agreeing to take in Syrian refugees that may include people who are up to no good.
http://www.infowars.com/report-paris-attacker-was-syrian-refugee-who-arrived-in-greece-last-month/
Alex Jones? Good grief man. At least with Zero Hedge you can read it and take the pro-Russian bias into account. But InfoWars? that’s just moonbat aluminum hat territory.
http://www.infowars.com/feinstein-youre-not-a-real-journalist-unless-you-draw-a-salary/
Get lost on your way to HuffPo, little fella?
And slap a COEXIST sticker on it while you’re at it
I have a “Catholics approve of Molesting” sticker on my Prius.
Pretty soon some of the warmer states will see the seasonal influx of retired Canadians. Some of them may be up to no good and Obama does nothing about it.
I would gladly and willingly trade you for any Syrian refugee.
I am in Canada now defending our border.
At least one of the Paris attackers was a Syrian “refugee.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318379/Hunt-Isis-killers-Syrian-passport-body-suicide-bomber-Stade-France.html
At least one of the Paris attackers was a Syrian “refugee.”
Comment posted by a reader: it’s interesting that the suicide bombers and the shooters all were conveniently carrying their passports and gee, somehow those passports survive intact.
In Paris the police routinely stop “suspicious” persons and ask for their travel documents. I’m not surprised the perps were carrying their passports. So do most foreigners in Paris.
Cue the usual idiotic “false flag” comments, as if every damn thing is somehow orchestrated by “them.”
If it argues against our politics, it’s false flag. If it supports our politics, it’s real-world proof.
“… somehow those passports survive intact.”
So? It were, say drivers licenses they were carrying, would you be surprised if they survived intact?
They don’t need to survive in pristine shape to be identified, they just need to survive.
So you don’t think it’s remarkable that if some dude has 10 pounds of C-4 around his waist that the little book of paper in his pocket just happens to fly out unharmed, while the rest of his body parts are hamburger?
‘the little book of paper in his pocket just happens to fly out unharmed’
Now who’s wearing tin foil hat?
‘Suqami’s passport was found by a passerby (identity unknown), reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street,[8] before the towers collapsed.[9] (This was mistakenly reported by many news outlets to be Mohamed Atta’s passport.)[citation needed][10] A columnist for the British newspaper The Guardian expressed incredulity about the authenticity of this report,[11] questioning whether a paper passport could survive the inferno unsinged when the plane’s black boxes were never found. According to testimony before the 9/11 Commission by lead counsel Susan Ginsburg, his passport had been “manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda.”[9] Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al-Ghamdi were found at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 as well as an airphone.[12]‘
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami
“So you don’t think it’s remarkable that if some dude has 10 pounds of C-4 around his waist that the little book of paper in his pocket just happens to fly out unharmed, while the rest of his body parts are hamburger?”
Most likely it was a vest, which surrounded his chest, not his waist, and, no, I do not think it is remarkable that the “little book of paper” is identifiable - which is not the same thing as “unharmed”.
Now who’s wearing tin foil hat?
Not me. I was only making an observation about the physics here. I didn’t take the leap and say there’s a conspiracy.
Because I can think of no higher calling than pissing off WPA, here is David Stockman on the deranged Keynesian schoolmarm, Yellen the Felon.
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-bubble-finance-cycle-what-our-keynesian-school-marm-doesnt-get/
Thank you Raymond. I am honored by your attention. It figures that Stockman, chief promulgator of the failed Trickle Down theory under Reagan, gets Keynes wrong. I sort of sense in Stockman’s writing that he knows he’s going to be ridiculed in the economic history books so he tries to drag down his contemporaries.
The black swans are starting to take wing fast and furious….
http://dollarcollapse.com/money-bubble/as-the-world-rolls-over/
Be afraid, FBs. Be very afraid.
http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/retail-sales-are-crashing-housing-sales-are-next/
220,000 Hondurans just got their bank accounts frozen because the bank was suspected of money-laundering for drug cartels. So what is the next pretext to grab depositor accounts?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-14/cyprus-template-comes-honduras-whos-next-collapse
This is why you put cash under the mattress, gold “behind the oatmeal,” and crypto currency I. Your paper wallets.
Drudge calls out Obama on our migration policies.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/14/matt-drudge-slams-obama-importing-muslims-united-states/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Think back if you are old enough to remember 1970’s cult deprogramming, and just how difficult is was to deprogram one person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming
How many millions of Cultural Marxo-Fascists and perhaps billions of Political/Militant islamists need such deprogramming?
“Marxo-Fascists”
Only morons speak in oxymorons.
Wake up man…It’s a new paradigm created by the tolerant folks we see marching on college campuses and heading the globalist progressive infrastructure.
The ones reading your thoughts with satellite mind rays?
It’s a new paradigm….
No Red…, there’s no such thing as a “Marxo-Fascist.”
So on the subject of cobbling a couple conflicting terms together……..
Just include me out.
Mid-west/south.
I found this:
NAU Marxo-Fascist Dies - Here’s his homepage
http://teach1776.ning.com/group/northerarizonauniversity/forum/topics/nau-marxo-fascist-dies-here-s-his-homepage
In Flagstaff!
Holy crap! He’s right! I found 3 under my bed and one trying to get into the gun safe!
Aren’t commies automatically Fascist? Sometimes the labels confuse me.
Ooh, thought-game! Can someone explain the difference between communism and fascism?
Can someone explain the difference between communism and fascism?
Definition #7.
Almost 30 million dead in WWII on the Eastern Front.
Fascism is a political system, like democracy.
Communism is an economic system, like capitalism.
‘30 million dead’
Careful, you’re treading on FDR’s effectiveness myth.
Careful, you’re treading on FDR’s effectiveness myth.
FDR’s Lend Lease policy was crucial in the Russian victory and ensuring that more US GI’s didn’t die on the Western Front.
FWIW, I’m half-way through The Pulitzer Prize Winning “No Ordinary Time: Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt - The Home Front in World War II”
Great book imo. Doris Kearns Goodwin is quite the historian.
I’ll take a shot:
At least in theory.
I though both in practice were dictatorships.
“No Red…, there’s no such thing as a “Marxo-Fascist.””
Who you calling Red, Red?
Midwest/south, classic!
What time is it in Brasil right now?
I think the key differences are international/hypernational and traditionalist/anti-traditionalist. Also, communism tends to be more dictatorship by committee.
Communism is iconoclastic and inclusive, fascism icon-worshiping and exclusive.
It’s 10 pm in Rio right now. They’re 3 hours ahead of the eastern time zone.
This just in…
Poland’s new government rejects migrant quotas after Paris attacks
http://www.infowars.com/polands-new-government-rejects-migrant-quotas-after-paris-attacks/
“Poland joins a quartet of EU members that have defied Brussels’ plan to redistribute the inflow of asylum seekers from the Middle East and North Africa among members of the union. Security concerns are high among the reasons touted by Hungary, Romania, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, which don’t want to accept predominantly Muslim refugees on their soil.”
You see…those countries know what it’s like to live under oppressive political systems and want no part of Islamo-Fascism or the so called “tolerance” mandated by the EU.
I doubt the people fleeing the violence are automatically intent on destroying Europe. That the wolves may hide among the sheep is another thing.
Yeah, like France has no history of being occupied by an oppressor.
I wish I was in Dixie,
With an AK, AK…
Forgot what a good video and song this was, been a while. These guys are rapping about the same stuff we rap about. We should join up with them, instead of hating on them.
Or is that what the haters are trying to prevent? Too big a tent, that could actually do something, change something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwxxY2pf5AU
Freedom got an AK!
We’ll stop the terrorists with stricter gun control laws!
Oddfellow
Did your family own slaves?
We owned a hyper poodle and a couple of disobedient cats when I was in the house. And various forgettable fish and reptiles. No slaves, though.
Why do you ask?
Do you live in an all white hood?
Hood or ‘hood?
Either way the answer is no.
Where are we going with this?
A gun is no fun if you don’t have somebody to shoot with it.
Quite possibly the stupidest comment you’ve ever made, and there’s plenty of competition.
Stroke yours all you like, but it’s made for shooting people.
Gun control is a tool to make the innocents pay the price for the guilty.
- Wayne LaPierre
Not letting insane people buy guns is gun control.
Actually, cars are more dangerous.
They sure are. We should definitely be more selective about who gets to drive. The issue is way more important than gun control.
Someone is guaranteed to stand up for the rights of the incompetent, as ever.
I bought my Nissan at a swap meet, I can drive it as fast as I want on the sidewalk, no one is looking.
Tyrants got to tyrant.
I wonder if the person who claims to go all in against Islam will be the next POTUS? Sheeple will eat that up.
How about a POTUS that will not import a hostile and violent culture?
Ten Reasons Why Islam Is Not a Religion of Peace
the religion of peace dot com | 2015
#1 18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been “ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.” In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.
#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad’s death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.
#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
#9 The Qur’an never once speaks of Allah’s love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah’s cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
#10 “Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!” (The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
We already went all in and trillions beyond.
It got worse
Just saw somebody post this wacky conspiracy theory: Israel instigated the exodus of Syrian refugees as a ploy to empty Syria of people so they can occupy the land. Israel wants the Muslim refugees to go to Europe to destroy Europe’s secular/Christian culture, which the Jewish hardliners despise.
Ah, the paradox of the internet: instead of increasing education and knowledge, it has been more effective at propagating ignorance and conspiracies.
Water is going to be a huge driver of Middle East conflicts going forward.
http://www.think-israel.org/ettinger.golanheightswater.html
Have you acknowledged your white male privilege today?
Ashley Rae Goldenberg | November 9, 2015 9:41am ET
Wolfe’s resignation comes after months of escalating racial tensions. On Oct. 20, an organization known as “Concerned Student 1-9-5-0,” penned a “list of demands” addressed to the university. Among the demands were that Wolfe write a “handwritten apology” in which he acknowledges his “white male privilege” and “recognize[s] that systems of oppression exist.”
A Storm Of Bad “Incoming Data” Strikes As The World Economy Rolls Over
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-14/storm-bad-incoming-data-strikes-world-economy-rolls-over
“Debt monetization on the scale so far attempted has failed to stop the implosion of tens of trillions of dollars of bad paper”
^As we’ve maintained all along. There is no avoiding the reckoning.
we need to kick the can down the road for a few more years at least.
I wish people would have bought a house in 2009. Buy of the century.
Except in hyperinflation house pricess drop because banks don’t loan. Either way, massive dent deflation or hyperinflation, this suckers going down.
I’m starting to think maybe more people should be armed-in the Western world. Maybe with more intense background and psychological tests and real training. In Europe they could try it out for a few years having all the new concealed-carry guns registered. Age 25 and up. If the experiment worked, then continue it. If it didn’t, then sunset the experiment.
It’s getting to be like the wild west anyway. The genie is out of the bottle imo. I’m sure some of the people being attacked last night would have fired back if armed.
Progressive gun grabber bias showing.
Ultimately guns are harder to police than drugs, and there are billions of them out there. If somebody wants to carry one, they are, and no law will change that.
Unfortunately the ones that are afraid to leave their houses without a gun are Barney Fifes… proven to not have good enough judgement to be trusted with a gun. They see themselves as John Wayne, but they’re the fat kid with nunchucks in his backpack, happy to tell one and all how deadly they are.
“Unfortunately the ones that are afraid to leave their houses without a gun are Barney Fifes… proven to not have good enough judgement to be trusted with a gun.”
This statement has proven you don’t know WTF you are talking about and would lead me to believe that you were a fat kid who carried nunchucks in your backpack.
Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops
July 10, 2014 10:30 AM
WASHINGTON (CBS DC) — A surge in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with a significant drop in violent crime in the U.S., a new report finds.
The “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States” report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.
The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.
Regarding right-to-carry laws as a form of deterrence to violent crime, the study authors note that the large majority of peer-reviewed academic studies conclude that permitted concealed handguns reduce violent crime. Those debates center around those who claim concealed handgun permits reduce crime and those who say it has no effect. The CPRC report focuses on states that allow right-to-carry permits and states that don’t require permits for concealed weapons rather than just the amount of permits.
Additionally, the report notes that the number of concealed carry permit holders “is likely much higher than 11.1 million,” because numbers are not available for all statues that issue permits, such as New York. And four states and the vast majority of Montana don’t require residents to have a permit to carry concealed handguns within the state – most of those permits are issued to carry outside the state.
Using that foundation, the report finds that the six states that allow people to carry concealed handguns without a permit have much lower murder and violent crime rates than the six states with the lowest permit rates. Additionally, the murder rate is nearly one-quarter (23 percent) lower in states not requiring permits, and the violent crime rate is 12 percent lower.
The murder and violent crime rates are lower in the 25 states with the highest permit rates compared to the rest of the U.S.
“When you allow people to carry concealed handguns, you see changes in the behavior of criminals,” John R. Lott, the center’s president, told Fox News. “Some criminals stop committing crimes, others move on to crimes in which they don’t come into contact with victims and others actually move to areas where they have less fear of being confronted by armed victims.”
Although cautioning that nationwide “simple cross-sectional comparisons” can present misleading data, the report used new state -level permit data from 2007 on to determine that for each one percentage point increase in the percent of the U.S. adult population holding permits is roughly paralleled with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.
“We found that the size of the drop [in crime] is directly related to the percentage of the population with permits,” Lott told Fox News.
A few highlights of the concealed carry data by state: Florida has issued the most concealed carry permits at 1.28 million, although South Dakota, Indiana and Alabama all sit above 10 percent for the state’s population that holds concealed carry permits. Eight percent or more of the population in 10 states hold concealed carry permits.
The number of permits increased by roughly 2.7 million permit holders in 1999 to 4.6 million eight years later in 2007. But in December 2011, the federal Government Accountability Office estimated that there were at least 8 million concealed handgun permits, and by June 2014 that number had increased beyond 11.1 million U.S. adults.
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“The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.”
FWIW, correlation does not imply causation. That said, I firmly believe in an well-armed citizenry.
“I’m starting to think maybe more people should be armed-in the Western world.”
Western World minus Florida.
We’re armed, bruh.
lol@Lola
Somebody stealing Phoneix Stealtors for sale signs:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/real-estate/catherine-reagor/2015/11/13/for-sale-signs-disappear-metro-phoenix/75608302/
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