There Is A Chance It Could Get Cheaper
Reuters reports on Sweden. “Sweden’s housing market and high levels of household debt are a growing risk to the country’s financial system and authorities need to take action, the head of the country’s central bank said in a newspaper interview. The Riksbank has slashed its benchmark rate and launched a 200 billion crown ($23 billion) bond-buying program to head off the threat of deflation, fuelling borrowing and leading to worries of a housing bubble. ‘It is more dangerous every day that passes,’ Riksbank Governor Stefan Ingves said in an interview in the daily Svenska Dagbladet. “But you cannot calculate if something is going to happen.’”
“He said that with the Riksbank focused on inflation, it was up to other authorities to tackle the housing market, and called for action from politicians. ‘In the previous Stability Report in spring we could see the risk level for Sweden was higher,’ he said. ‘There is no shortage of analysis, but a lack of decision-making.’”
The Nikkei Asian Review on China. “China’s economy remains beset by heavy downward pressure, official data released Wednesday shows, as falling prices discourage production and investment and fuel a vicious cycle. Electricity generation, an indicator of production activity, fell 3.2%, a sharper decline than in September. A manager at a state-owned coal mining company in Henan Province saw his pay drop after the Chinese New Year from more than 300,000 yuan ($47,120) a year to his basic salary of less than 2,000 yuan a month.”
“‘I’m planning to quit the company and open a Sichuan restaurant,’ he said, adding that he has canceled plans to buy a home.”
3 News on New Zealand. “The Auckland housing market slowed last month following the introduction of new restrictions, according to the latest industry figures. The city’s median price slipped 3 percent to $748,250 in October from September, and the volume of sales dropped 19 percent to 2,546, the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand said. The central bank introduced Auckland-specific lending restrictions this month, while the government’s more stringent enforcement of taxing speculators’ capital gains began last month. ‘The drop in the number of sales in Auckland in October is the result of a softening of demand over the past few months and the new IRD and bank account rules introduced at the start of October,’ institute chief executive Colleen Milne said in the report.”
The Daily Telegraph in Australia. “‘You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.’ Billionaire Warren Buffett’s famous warning of what happens in changing markets is ringing true for Sydney real estate as the winding down of the city’s recent price boom reveals the suburbs where homebuyers paid too much money. Core Logic RP Data figures show home prices have begun falling in 36 of the Harbour City’s 700-odd suburbs and most are areas that had the hottest home auction markets earlier this year. These include Edgecliff, Rushcutters Bay and Balgowlah, near Manly, where median unit prices fell between 4 and 7 per cent over the last three months. Double Bay units recorded an even bigger price fall of 15 per cent over the same period, the largest decrease of any Sydney suburb.”
“Prices in these four areas had climbed by up to $200,000 in the three years prior to July. SQM Research analyst Louis Christopher said that in the heated market some excitable buyers paid too much for their homes, especially at auction. ‘Property values in the Sydney market as a whole are not overvalued and will not fall significantly anytime soon, but a lot of people who purchased property in May and June, when the market was peaking, probably paid more than their homes are worth now,’ Mr Christopher said.”
“Laing and Simmons-Potts Point selling agent Nuri Shik said vendors need to adjust their expectations to the slowing market, but added that well-presented apartments are still getting good results. One of his clients, the Keys family, is taking this mantra to heart by renovating their Darlinghurst apartment at 4 Clampton Place prior to selling it. ‘It needs an update and it will be fun to fix it up,’ Colleen Keys said. ‘It does concern me that there is a lot of talk about prices coming down, but for now I think the market is still good for both buyers and sellers.’”
The Kyiv Post in Ukraine. “Property prices in Ukraine fell along with the hryvnia at the beginning of the year. ‘Prices have dropped by around 40 percent,’ said Katrina Bankova, an estate agent at the largest real estate agency in Kyiv. ‘Rents for elite properties have dropped by 20 to 25 percent. Properties which went for up to $3,000 a month have dropped by 50 percent,’ said Tim Louzonis, co-founder of AIM Realty Kiev, which specializes in properties for expats.”
“Buyers now have unprecedented bargaining power compared to the previous 15 years, making it an attractive proposition for investors. ‘There is no market price. Before you used to be able to say a square meter here cost X but now it’s a market of bargaining…The last apartment I sold was going for $120,000, but they sold it for $100,000. Sometimes people go down by $40-50,000,’ said Bankova.”
“And there is a chance it could get cheaper. Property professionals in Kyiv are still divided on whether the market has reached its lowest point. ‘The clients have changed. They’ve become more picky,’ said Alexandr Laznenko, an agent at one of Kyiv’s largest real estate firms. ‘People don’t want what’s on the market. They want to find a bargain every time.’”
The Rio Times in Brazil. “Host countries can expect a fall in demand in the property market after they have put on big sporting competition, but usually after the event has taken place. Rio de Janeiro is struggling already, according to reports. In Barra da Tijuca, a wealthy neighborhood in the city which will host much of the Olympic Games, the new high-rise accommodation built for athletes has failed to sell well. Only 230 of over 3,600 units have been sold. Many of them have now been taken off the market.”
“Real-estate companies are slashing prices and offering incentives and freebies to entice buyers to the market. Online sales portal VivaReal, in partnership with a number of construction companies, has expanded Black Friday (November 27th) to include the whole of November marking down properties throughout the month. Elsewhere in the city, projects are failing to materialize.”
“The port area in the centre of the city, which has been undergoing extensive regeneration, has a number of new offices that stand empty. Buildings, a property research firm, says almost a quarter of office space in the area is tenantless. ‘We imagined this crisis would occur only after the Olympics in 2016, but it’s happening now, calling into question the aggressive bets made on projects in the lead-up to the Games,’ Leonardo Schneider vice president of Secovi, a housing syndicate, explained.”
From Mexico News Daily. “Social housing projects in Baja California abandoned for financial reasons and the lack of amenities such as schools and hospitals have become breeding grounds for disease and petty crime. About 100,000 homes are believed to have been abandoned across the state and are now being occupied by wild animals, gangs and drug users.”
“Alejandro Arregui, Baja California representative of the national mortgage fund Infonavit, said the problem had been partly caused by purchasers being in arrears on payments on 13,000 apartments, of which at least 5,000 had been abandoned as a result. ‘The problem of abandoned housing stems from poor planning whereby no development centers were created,’ said Lauro Arestegui of the federal Secretariat of Agrarian and Urban Development, adding that residents’ problems with making payments were thought to be primarily caused by poor access to basic services such as schools and hospitals and work places.”
“The problem has persisted unchecked for several years despite legal efforts by local authorities to reclaim the apartment blocks. They have become perceived as gang strongholds and therefore lawless no-go areas. Local authorities have identified half a dozen such ‘hotspots’ in Tijuana. In one of them, Villas del Campo, half of the 35,000 homes are estimated to have been abandoned.”
“basic services such as schools and hospitals and work places”
Ghost cities Mexico style.
‘representative of the national mortgage fund Infonavit’
This is the government outfit that is responsible for much of the housing bubble there. Their loans funded huge developments far from jobs. People took out the loans expecting the houses to make them rich. Walked when it blew up. Usual story.
“Their loans funded huge developments far from jobs.”
And they generated lots of huge fees for me.
“People took out the loans expecting the houses to make them rich. Walked when it blew up.”
But, still (and most importantly) I am able to keep my fees.
‘March 20, 2014‘
‘Corp. Geo SAB filed for bankruptcy, making it the first Mexican homebuilder to seek protection from creditors after the industry collapsed last year amid a shift in government subsidies.’
‘Geo and the country’s other two biggest homebuilders collapsed and defaulted on their bonds after President Enrique Pena Nieto’s government curbed subsidies for commuter-town developments, halting home-construction projects and sinking the value of large swaths of their landholdings. Geo’s $400 million in dollar bonds due in 2022 have tumbled 69 cents to 12 cents on the dollar in the past year.’
‘An index of Mexican homebuilder stocks tumbled 79 percent last year as Geo and Urbi Desarrollos Urbanos SA shares were suspended from trading in July for not reporting earnings.’
With the Peso off 25%, they were doomed anyway by having bonds in USD.
This won’t help:
‘Iraq may increase oil output further in 2016, although less dramatically than this year, intensifying a battle for market share between OPEC members and non-OPEC rivals that has forced Baghdad to sell some crude grades for as little as $30 a barrel.’
‘Iraq’s output in 2015 has jumped almost 500,000 barrels per day (bpd), or 13 percent, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA). That has made Iraq the world’s fastest source of supply growth and a key driver of surging OPEC production.’
‘The southern fields produce most of Iraq’s oil. Located far from the fighting in other parts of the country, they have kept pumping and seen record exports, most recently in July, when 3.064 million bpd was sold abroad.’
‘Iraq plans to export 3.0-3.2 million bpd from the south in 2016, an Iraqi oil source told Reuters. He declined to forecast exports from Iraq’s north, which restarted in late 2014 and have grown to about 600,000 bpd, despite tension between Baghdad and the Kurdistan region.’
‘Iraq has every incentive to keep pumping all it can as its actual oil prices are even lower than the benchmarks. The official selling price of Basra Heavy in Europe is $10.40 a barrel below Brent for December, and trade sources say cargoes are being sold a dollar or more below OSP - or less than $30.’
‘In Europe, Iraq has overtaken Saudi Arabia as the second-largest seller after Russia, and Iran has already lined up buyers to purchase its crude when sanctions are lifted, the IEA says, likely keeping prices under pressure.’
Oh dear…
less than $30
Now where are those posters telling us we are running out of oil?
We’re definitely not running out, generally speaking, the next marginal barrel just gets more and more expensive to reach.
The oil sands are a great example. At the right price, there is plenty of oil…but at $60-$70 per barrel, there is so much that you can get by fracking that I’ll bet very little will be invested in the oil sands going forward.
Well, we are running out of cheap oil - oh wait . . .
Overzealously adding supply and drilling when prices are $100 per barrel leads to a glut, and prices fall below the point where it makes sense to add supply, drilling stops. Eventually the glut goes away, and prices rise again to a point where drilling where start again.
Just because prices are now below the point where it justifies lots of drilling doesn’t mean it is cheaper to get more oil out of the ground.
Considering production costs are $7 a barrel, oil can and will likely fall much further.
I continue to believe that peak oil will make its presence felt at some future time. Oil is a finite resource, and getting tougher to extract all the time, and we’ve stopped discovering significant new fields. It’s the single indispensable commodity for modern civilization, especially one based on sprawl and cars. But in the short term, yes, $30 a barrel or lower is very possible. Even with peak oil, with so much economic distortion, it’s tough to tell how oil, or anything, might be priced, and what our incomes might look like in those circumstances.
Oil isn’t finite. Everyday more oil is formed.
I bought a used hybrid and drove it until the battery died. Those things are amazing. The newer ones are getting better all the time. I don’t think it will be long until electric cars are the norm. As much as I poke fun at Tesla, they are working on some interesting stuff with electricity. Their tube transportation idea sounds like it will work in some form. I’ve always thought that airports and fuel hogging planes were a silly way of getting around. Drones can deliver packages, no more brown trucks. We’re lucky technology is working for us in this regard, instead of being used to spy on us, etc. Oil may become more scarce, but hopefully we won’t need much of it either.
“I bought a used hybrid and drove it until the battery died.”
I read an article recently where a guy is doing this, IIRC, as a manager of a fleet of cars.
The conventional “wisdom” has been that the batteries will die at 100k which means there are tons of Priuses out there that get traded in at 90k miles. So he buys them at 90k and drives them to 300k+ with no problems.
I drive a lot and am considering this.
Denver, CO Housing Prices Crater 12% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/cherry-creek-denver-co/home-values/
‘He said that with the Riksbank focused on inflation’
Gotta print those debts away.
‘Riksbank has slashed its benchmark rate and launched a 200 billion crown ($23 billion) bond-buying program to head off the threat of deflation, fuelling borrowing and leading to worries of a housing bubble’
Aren’t housing bubbles ultimately deflationary? I have Japan in mind from roughly 1990-2015.
Perhaps central banking strategy is less about deflation avoidance and more about passing the trash on to one’s successor?
Aren’t housing bubbles ultimately deflationary? I have Japan in mind from roughly 1990-2015. ‘
maybe ? I would say zero population growth is also deflationary
‘Christopher said that in the heated market some excitable buyers paid too much for their homes, especially at auction’
Excitable buyers?
‘it will be fun to fix it up,’ Colleen Keys said. ‘It does concern me that there is a lot of talk about prices coming down’
You just need an excitable buyer with a big fat Colleen. It’ll be fun. BTW, where are you going to go? Don’t tell me you are going to RENT!
‘We imagined this crisis would occur only after the Olympics in 2016, but it’s happening now, calling into question the aggressive bets made on projects in the lead-up to the Games’
My offer to Rio is down to half a banana. Take it while you can Rio.
I will start a fund raising drive to get you out of Brazil. The only stipulation; you can’t come back to the US. May I suggest Syria?
From favela to high rise shanty town.
‘Square Inc priced sharess at $9 for its initial public offering, about 25 percent less than it had hoped, as it struggled to win over investors skeptical about its business and valuation before trading begins on Thursday.Square Inc priced shares at $9 for its initial public offering, about 25 percent less than it had hoped, as it struggled to win over investors skeptical about its business and valuation before trading begins on Thursday.’
‘The steeper discount to $9 - a 42 percent drop from a year ago - suggests widespread uncertainty about the profitability of the payments industry and the future of Square itself, which has seen slowing revenue growth. The weaker price puts Square’s market capitalization at $2.9 billion, a far cry from the $6 billion valuation it had earned from private investors.’
“The way that Square was valued as a private company is they were just going to disrupt everything and change payments,” said Andrew Chanin, chief executive of PureFunds, an exchange-traded fund that includes mobile payments companies. “And the reality is not that.”
‘The IPO is among the strongest indications yet that valuations set by private market investors can be fleeting.’
A unicorn turns out to be a donkey.
‘$2.9 billion, a far cry from the $6 billion valuation it had earned from private investors’
Let me clue you in Dorsey; swiping a credit card isn’t tech.
Square is pretty useful though. But valuations are nutty.
I witnessed uber the other week coming back from a work outing. My coworker would call an uber to the metro station. They would accept, drive somewhere, sit for 5 minutes then the ride would get cancelled and coworker charged $5. Happened twice.
It’s telling Square is planning to make money on something besides what they do; they want to handle business loans and do payroll processing. Boy, that’s not too crowded.
damn. That happened to me. I request Uber after a night out away from downtown. I clearly specified they pick up and destination.
The chucko head goes to pick me up at the destination. I was like WTF? i am not going to wait for some idiot 10 miles away. So I cancel and request another one. The cancel is $5.
I am gonna call to uber a request a refund??
Yes, Uber is great about giving refunds. They are not very picky.
The problem I find with Uber is that a lot of the taxi drivers that have been run out of business have gone to drive for Uber and they bring their taxi mentality with them.
Still, at least I don’t have them sitting there with a questionable meter and yelling at me when I want to use a credit card.
“The Riksbank has slashed its benchmark rate and launched a 200 billion crown ($23 billion) bond-buying program to head off the threat of deflation, fuelling borrowing and leading to worries of a housing bubble.”
What is it about their deflation paranoia that compels today’s central bankers to take actions which make future deflation a virtual certainty?
“‘You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.’ Billionaire Warren Buffett’s famous warning of what happens in changing markets is ringing true for Sydney real estate as the winding down of the city’s recent price boom reveals the suburbs where homebuyers paid too much money.”
Dear God, Please, please, PLEASE let the California real estate investment tsunami tide go out again soon, as I can’t wait to see all of the naked swimmers flopping about on the sand.
We have some nudist developments in my state where people actually are swimming naked. I vaguely recall a proposed reality show featuring the realtor who specialized in homes there.
“The central bank introduced Auckland-specific lending restrictions this month, while the government’s more stringent enforcement of taxing speculators’ capital gains began last month.”
That’s a great idea for how to kill two birds with one stone, as foreign speculators pony up capital gains taxes, and local residents who need a place to live get more affordable housing.
Why not try this in California, given that foreign speculators have driven prices out of range from local citizens’ home purchase budgets?
“Buyers now have unprecedented bargaining power compared to the previous 15 years, making it an attractive proposition for investors. ‘There is no market price. Before you used to be able to say a square meter here cost X but now it’s a market of bargaining…The last apartment I sold was going for $120,000, but they sold it for $100,000. Sometimes people go down by $40-50,000,’ said Bankova.”
There is a market ,alright…a Dutch auction market.
Hadn’t heard from Amy Hoak in a while - here ya go - appraiser ranks are dwindling.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-number-of-real-estate-appraisers-is-falling-heres-why-you-should-care-2015-11-18?dist=lcountdown
There is no business considering housing demand is at 20 year lows…. and falling.
‘Electricity generation, an indicator of production activity, fell 3.2%, a sharper decline than in September. A manager at a state-owned coal mining company in Henan Province saw his pay drop after the Chinese New Year from more than 300,000 yuan ($47,120) a year to his basic salary of less than 2,000 yuan a month’
Dan?
Shiller: “Houses Depreciate”
http://www.pragcap.com/robert-shiller-dont-invest-in-housing/
2 wows
1. oil cities way over 2006 peak
2. zillow not predicting in same
Portland, OR Housing Prices Fall 11% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/portland-or-97239/home-values/
10% + over 06 peak
do they have oil there?
…… and falling with a long way to the bottom.
By Jove I think they’re getting it:
A Hard Landing in China Could ‘Shake the World’
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hard-landing-china-could-shake-160004416.html
from more than 300,000 yuan ($47,120) a year to his basic salary of less than 2,000 yuan a month. ‘I’m planning to quit the company and open a Sichuan restaurant,’ he said, adding that he has canceled plans to buy a home.’
Cue the foot-long jokes:
‘A judge sentenced former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle to more than 15 years in prison on Thursday for trading in child pornography and having sex with underage prostitutes.’