December 4, 2015

In The Absence Of Gains, It’s Called Losing Money

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “A rise in short-term interest rates by the Federal Reserve in two weeks wouldn’t snuff out the housing recovery, Fidelity Investments fixed-income portfolio manager Bill Irving said. ‘I would say the Fed already started tightening monetary policy 2½ years ago, with the taper [of QE ], which tightened financial conditions, raised the value of the dollar, [and] hurt the manufacturing sector,’ Irving said on CNBC. Many Fed critics have been arguing for some time that ultra-low rates are no longer need because the crisis is over. But one fact is almost universally accepted, Irving said: ‘Very accommodative monetary policy has certainly been supportive of risk assets, including equities and probably home prices as well. That’s part of the Fed’s playbook,’ he said.”

“Fannie Mae is making it easier to get a mortgage, especially for creditworthy borrowers with low and moderate incomes. It’s called the HomeReady mortgage program, and here’s how it works. Buyers can put as little as 3 percent down on the house, with expanded rules regarding the source of the payment. But here’s the real kicker. HomeReady will consider incomes from others planning to live in the house without being a borrower on the loan. This means, if you live with parents, siblings, working children or maybe a roommate, as long as they make 30 percent of the household income, Fannie will include their money to help you qualify for a loan. Also, non-occupants of the home can add further income to the mortgage. Perhaps parents living elsewhere but willing to help pay the loan.”

“St. Thomas Real Estate Program director Herb Tousley says he doesn’t believe the relaxed restirctions on this new loan will create another housing bubble where homeowners borrow over their heads. ‘I think the key to this is they are going to do it with creditworthy borrowers. They may change the criteria to qualify a little bit but I don’t think they are going to borrow to anybody. It’s not going to be like 2006, 2007 where you didn’t need any documentation, you didn’t have anything, and I don’t see them go down that road again,’ said Tousley.”

“Quicken Loans, the third biggest mortgage lender in the U.S., is considering backing away from a government program that provided critical support to the housing market during the financial crisis, the latest in an exodus of big lenders from the program. The departure of the biggest lenders from the U.S. Federal Housing Administration program, which helps first-time homebuyers, could translate into big losses for taxpayers during the next housing downturn, analysts said.”

“Quicken along with JPMorgan Chase & Co, Bank of America Corp and Wells Fargo & Co - all of the top four mortgage lenders in the United States – are tussling with the FHA over how the agency deals with loans that sour. Current fights over the FHA could have a big effect over how the agency weathers the next housing crisis. The smaller lenders that now make up most of the FHA’s client base may struggle to stay solvent whenever the next housing downturn comes. The DOJ lawsuit says that the lender submitted hundreds of loans for FHA insurance that it knew did not meet the agency’s standards, and Quicken’s problems were more serious than simple typos. It accused Quicken of having a ‘culture that elevated profits over compliance.’”

“A Justice Department spokeswoman would not address the Quicken lawsuit, but said via email that ‘the conduct that the government has pursued reflects clear, systematic, and knowing violations of meaningful and substantive FHA requirements.’”

“Prices for luxury homes posted their first drop since 2012, suggesting the top of the market may be getting too rich even for the rich. According to Redfin, prices for luxury homes — defined as the top 5 percent of each of the 600-plus U.S. markets it measures — fell an average 2.2 percent in the third quarter compared to the same period last year. Redfin’s chief economist, Nela Richardson, said that with inventory tighter, many high-end sellers have become ‘unrealistic’ about prices. ‘The luxury market was the first to recover from the housing downturn, and now it’s a bellwether of slowing price growth for the rest of the market,’ Richardson said. ‘Sales at the top end of the market continue to soar, but prices are downshifting.’”

“The biggest discount on a dollar basis during the quarter was the $12 million price cut on a home in Belvedere, California, which first listed for $27.5 million; it ended up selling for $15.5 million. A home in Occidental, California, ranked second, listing for $21.5 million and selling for $11 million.”

“Resale home sales in Calgary declined for a 12th consecutive month in November, falling 29 per cent from a year ago to 1,263 transactions — the worst November numbers since 2010. The average sale price dropped for the 11th straight month, to $460,859, off 5.1 per cent from November 2014, according to the Calgary Real Estate Board. The average November sale price hasn’t been that low since 2008.”

“New listings grew by 4.7 per cent to 2,180 while active listings were up 31 per cent, to 5,316, from November 2014. ‘Inventory levels essentially haven’t been easing when we typically start to see them come down a bit,’ said Ann-Marie Lurie, CREB’s chief economist. ‘What it’s done essentially is kept the month of supply elevated and it’s pushing us really into that buyer’s market territory and that’s causing some further price declines. And those price declines are really occurring across the board.’”

“Lurie said the biggest sales decline occurred in the apartment sector which was down 40 per cent from a year ago, while the average sale price dipped by close to seven per cent.”

“Hundreds of thousands of homes across the UK are unoccupied, despite widespread concern about a housing shortage. Why would someone own a property and leave it vacant? Islington Council complains that, as of this July, 42% of the building’s units still had no registered voters living in them. The authority blames a phenomenon known as ‘buy-to-leave’, where rich investors, often from abroad, purchase property and leave it empty, not bothering to collect rent money while adding to the nation’s housing shortage. Despite widespread anxiety about a shortage of housing supply, there are 610,123 empty homes in England, according to the government. Of these, 205,821 have been unoccupied for six months or more, the official definition of ‘long-term’ emptiness. In September last year, Scotland had 31,884 long-term empty properties. In Wales, 23,171 were empty for six months of more during 2014-15, the Welsh Government says.”

“‘The number of potential homes affected by buy-to-leave isn’t huge in a city the size of London, with a housing stock of several million,’ says property expert Henry Pryor, who says investors leaving flats empty are in fact being highly calculating. The costs of letting, including wear and tear and administration, can outweigh any money taken from rent, he says. ‘But as a percentage of new-built properties, the ones intended to help deal with the housing crisis, they account for quite a significant percentage. It’s about whether property is regarded as a home or an asset.’”

“While the property market in Malaysia is now very quiet, with Malaysians taking a wait-and-see approach, there is still high demand for all types of property, said Siva Shanker, immediate past president of the Malaysian Institute of Estate Agents. Mr Siva warned that finding a tenant may be difficult, as demand for residential rentals is going down, especially for condos. ‘Landlords can expect a 30 to 40 per cent drop in rentals compared to what they originally expected for residential property such as apartments, high-end condos and shoe-box units,’ he said. ‘Investors must decide if they can wait it out for tenants and if they are able to service their loans.’”

“There is one solid conclusion to be drawn from this week’s data. Sydney’s auction clearance rate is way down – it’s dropped to 56.3 per cent from a much healthier 70.6 per cent a year ago. If any bubble is bursting, it’s there. In the meantime, gross rental yields in most capitals are at historic lows – many hovering around 3 per cent. And crash or no crash, you’d have to ask many investors what they’re doing holding a risky asset for a 3 per cent yield, when many housing investments offer very small or even negative capital returns in the years ahead.”

“The answer in previous years was that they were there for the negative-gearing profits – healthy rebates from the tax man, and even healthier capital gains. Well, in the absence of capital gains, negative gearing has a different name. It’s called losing money.”

“Debt clearing manager China Huarong Asset Management and China Reinsurance are among several state-owned giants to brave Hong Kong’s lackluster IPO market in October with offerings worth a combined $4.5 billion - the largest deals since China’s equity rally in June. A prevailing view is that China’s slowdown presents opportunities for debt clearing companies like Huarong. ‘It’s a buyers’ market for non-performing loans now,’ said Harry Hu, credit analyst at Standard & Poor’s, as banks are willing to sell distressed assets to these companies at a discount.”

“NPLs of China’s banking sector reached 1.8 trillion yuan in June, up nearly a third from a year ago, according to the country’s banking regulator.”




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Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 04:48:01

Buy-to-Leave: the worst of all possible action for the housing market.

“…..as a percentage of new-built properties, the ones intended to help deal with the housing crisis, they account for quite a significant percentage….”

If a property is vacant more than 90 days, charge a 1%/month tax based on the value. That will get those properties into the pool of available housing. Perennially vacant housing is almost like a cancer.

Comment by taxpayers
2015-12-04 07:44:14

? vacant housing that’s maintained lowers your tax basis

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-12-04 04:51:47

“Well, in the absence of capital gains, negative gearing has a different name. It’s called losing money.”

I think some of our friends here on the HBB have this as their business model.

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 05:28:05

That is why you should only buy real estate with positive cash flow!

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 05:56:30

Sometimes things change:

‘Much as how the drive-by Toronto media would handle Fort McMurray in the most recent economic boom – generating a strict narrative of crime, drugs, and excess – the new narrative from Ontario-centric media insists that Fort McMurray is in a never-ending tailspin of disaster and collapse not seen since hyperinflation of the Zimbabwean dollar.’

‘There is a tinge of schadenfreude in some of this coverage and attention Fort McMurray now gets. A natural outgrowth of the jealousy shown by so many outside the region during its great economic times has now transformed into a subtle gloating about the reverse now being the case.’

‘But as much of an exaggeration as the picture of the corrupt and crime-ridden boomtown in the early 2010s was, so too is it unfair to paint Fort McMurray now as a decrepit, shrinking wasteland.’

‘The key driver of hardship in Fort McMurray, which has gone from tempering economic benefits pre-oil crash, to exacerbating the misery of the downturn now, is inflated costs of goods and services (not to mention housing). Yet whether in the national media or the provincial political sphere, little attention is ever given to this issue.’

‘It ought to be unfathomable that both the provincial and federal governments would be hell-bent on raising income taxes on six-figure income earners, while knowing full well that a large community in northern Alberta houses a plethora of six-figure income earners whose purchasing power can pale in comparison to five-figure income earners in lower-cost communities. Yet, no discussions arise as to how to temper the impact of impending income tax hikes on families that are already struggling to meet their immense expenses.’

‘Perhaps that is where our attention ought to turn.’

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 07:58:58

Many residents in SF & NY can say the same things. Why should they pay 39.5% just because they live in an area that takes $200,000/year to simply live life?

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Comment by snake charmer
2015-12-04 08:20:57

I read the editorial. Is anyone in Fort McMurray courageous enough to admit that the town is a remote outpost in a hostile climate and subject to the boom-bust dynamics of the industry which supports it?

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 08:33:18

“243″ Listings Match Your Search Criteria

http://www.coldwellbankerfortmcmurray.com/listings.asp

Not reduced to reduced:

“243″ Listings Match Your Search Criteria

http://www.coldwellbankerfortmcmurray.com/listings.asp?PAGE=1&SORT=pricereduction_up&PAGECOUNT=10

 
 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 06:11:31

“That is why you should only buy real estate with positive cash flow!”

Then why didn’t you Jingle_Fraud?

 
Comment by Combotechie
2015-12-04 06:17:08

“That is why you should only buy real estate with positive cash flow!”

Positive cash flow that is (was?) driven by … driven by what?

Driven by a “Very accommodative monetary policy” (that) “has certainly been supportive of risk assets, including equities and probably home prices as well.”?

“That’s part of the Fed’s playbook.” That may be (or may not be) about to altered just a wee bit.

Comment by Professor Bear
2015-12-04 07:07:49

Positive cash flow at the outset is no guarantee against future losses due to capital loss, declining rents, or ownership costs increasing faster than rents.

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Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 07:55:21

Yes, PB, life is full of risks. It is a matter of taking calculated risks to create investment value. I bought at distressed prices and have capital gain, appreciating rents and lower cost (interest, not taxes, ins, or maintenance).

So far, it has been the best investment of my lifetime.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 08:04:43

And still overpaid 2 or 3x.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 08:45:07

I am happy.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 16:43:49

Well Jingle_Fraud…. As Liberace would say, ignorance is bliss.

 
 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 07:49:58

Actually, my positive cash flow was primarily driven by purchasing at prices below reproduction cost. That is the single most important marker in my strategy.

The accommodative Fed policy has been helpful in reducing my debt service, further increasing cash flow and reducing debt at a faster pace.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 07:52:55

You magically went cash flow positive? Howd that happen?

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 08:42:57

HA, income exceeds expenses and debt service.

You call yourself and analyst, but it seems your pretty stupid. It is a very basic concept. Cash flow happens every month.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 08:45:20

Nobody believes you Jingle_Fraud.

 
Comment by Young Deezy
2015-12-04 09:00:07

To be fair, I wouldn’t doubt Jingle is making money. If he bought when he said he did, at then-market prices, he should have positive monthly cashflow. Rents in the Sacramento region have spiked over the last 2-3 years it would seem, and that combined with a relatively low buy in price should equal $$$.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 09:28:26

Paying retail +100%+ is a loss.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 09:37:59

Thanks Deezy. You do what HA can’t: analysis.

Here is a Case Study of one deal.

Paid $260,000 ($86/SF). 25% down. Mortgage of $195,000 at 3.5% interest = payment of $875/mon. PITI total is $1665.

Vacancy has been less than 1% since 2008 purchase.

Maintenance over 7 years = $1850 (2-year new home purchased from bank)

Rent $2,195/mon

If you put it all together, I invested about $75,000 in 2008 and have received $42,000 in cash flow and paid the loan down by $25,000.

Oh, yes and the home Zillows today at $438,000.

There is a little housing analysis for you HA!

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 09:41:24

Here is CL add for a similar home in a similar market, just to provide you a rent comp:

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/apa/5341995116.html

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 10:03:14

More Jingle_Fraud gyrations.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-12-04 11:25:51

It’s great that you are happy JF.

It would appear that you invested $270,000, the total of your cash and borrowings. ROI doesn’t care the source of funds. You net $5K per year which is an ROI of 1 or 2%. Pretty much the same thing we came up with a couple of years ago when we looked at some numbers together.

IMO, this is a really crappy ROI on a risky investment and you are not paying yourself anything for your time and you are banking deferred maintenance. It is obvious that you are crowing about the capital appreciation, as it has always been. It would be OK if you cut it out with “cash flow positive” happy talk and just brag about how great the housing bubble has been ramping up prices to infinity and beyond.

Things can change is the theme. Here comes the next leg down, capital loss and vacancy are possibilities. 30 yr loan rates on rental property is around 5% isn’t it? There isn’t a chance you claimed it was your personal residence is there. I am pretty sure we discussed this before.

Buckle up. Stay happy.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 14:25:26

There is no point to discussing this further until you get some finance and accounting classes.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 16:39:15

Backpedal some more Jingle_Fraud.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2015-12-04 17:40:30

What would 4,800 divided by 270,000 be after taking an accounting class?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2015-12-05 00:38:18

Don’t forget that in California, you can always walk away from your underwater housing investments with little lasting financial consequence.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-05 04:50:08

If I sold today, I would receive over $250,000 from the sale. I have already received $42,000 in cash flow.

I invested $75,000 in 2008. Seven years later, I could have $292,000 in total proceeds. That is a $217,000 gain on a $75,000 investment.

300% ROI in 7 years. Wow, if only I had 5 or 6 of these…..oh, wait, I do! The HBB has been very, very good to me. That’s why I send in a nice donation every year! I pay it out of cash flow because I am not interested in selling anything today.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-05 06:42:37

Nobody believes you.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-05 15:30:32

You’re nobody! Others see the truth.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-05 17:03:23

Data Jingle_Fraud Data.

Sacramento, CA Housing Prices Crater 6% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/east-sacramento-sacramento-ca/home-values/

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 05:49:49

‘China’s slowdown presents opportunities for debt clearing companies like Huarong. ‘It’s a buyers’ market for non-performing loans now’

‘The proposals came as mounting inventories weigh on property sales, dampening the willingness of developers to invest. President Xi Jinping has called for “a cut in housing inventory”-stoking hopes that a barrage of stimulus measures are on the way.’

‘According to the report, there were 437 million square meters of finished homes as of October, with 3.57 billion sq m of unfinished homes. Excluding inventory that could be sold in a reasonable time, there are 2.1 billion sq m of excess finished and unfinished homes that might take six and a half years to sell out, the report said.’

So there wasn’t a master plan for what to do with these houses after all.

Comment by Combotechie
2015-12-04 06:26:32

‘It’s a buyers’ market for non-performing loans now’

Non-performing loans = loans that have had their values written down.

Loans that have their values written down represent a lot of money that has gone poof - poof as is one day it’s there to fatten up someone’s bottom line and the next day it isn’t.

Poof, as in now you see it, now you don’t.

Now it’s sitting there waiting to be spent, now it isn’t.

Poof.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2015-12-04 07:52:33

‘According to the report, there were 437 million square meters of finished homes as of October, with 3.57 billion sq m of unfinished homes. Excluding inventory that could be sold in a reasonable time, there are 2.1 billion sq m of excess finished and unfinished homes that might take six and a half years to sell out, the report said.’

Does the ‘6 1/2 years to sell out’ estimate assume no new construction over the period?

Comment by Blue Skye
2015-12-04 11:27:51

Of course not. You can bet it assumes gang buster growth rates in manufacturing activity though.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 06:03:16

How fast this is all going:

‘Bargains in Sydney likely as property market softens’

‘With auction clearance rates sinking, prices softening in some areas, plenty of listings, a fall in the number of buyers, and vendors keen to sell before the holidays, it looks as if the buyers who are left could be in the box seat in the lead-up to Christmas, but what to look for, and where?’

‘The best buy will be a property where the owner has already bought another home and is now worried that they won’t offload theirs in time to cash in before the holidays begin.’

“There aren’t so many buyers around at this time of year, and there are some vendors who, if they don’t sell, will just take it off the market and put it back on in February,” Hand McPhee buyers’ agent Gerry McPhee says, “but there are others who are thinking, `Oh my God, no one wants to buy my place!’ and then they’ll drop their price to sell before the market goes dead. That will be a good buy.”

‘If you’re more interested in the popular areas of the lower north shore, inner west, east and northern beaches, there may also be some great buying. “We are seeing higher listing numbers in all those areas,” Wilson says. “That means buyers will have a wider choice of properties and, with vendors keen to complete before the end of the year, they’re looking at a bit of a nervous wait, which might have an effect on price.”

‘With so much property currently listed for auction and private treaty (see table), should you think of making an offer before auction?’

“No!” buyers’ agent Gerry McPhee says. It’s becoming more of a buyers’ market, so hold your fire. “If you make an offer before auction, it’s showing your cards to the agent and the vendor, and helps dictate what the reserve’s going to be,” he warns. “Then they might still want to test the market at auction anyway.”

“But if the property’s passed in at auction, there’s nothing worse for a vendor than looking at the threat of failure at this time of year. They might well accept an offer lower than they might originally have considered.”

It must be strange to be a speculator, with these news articles discussing how to give you a good a** pounding.

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 06:23:04

Speaking of a** poundings:

‘Faced with low prices and plentiful supply, OPEC oil ministers are pondering ways to turn the market around — but may lack options to do so. OPEC has in the past cut output to crimp supply and drive up prices. But cutting production levels might not give a lasting boost, with non-OPEC countries like Russia and the United States still going strong.’

‘Additionally, some OPEC members already are selling at a loss and so cutting now would further hurt them financially.’

‘Instead, OPEC output may go up. Sanctions on Iranian oil sales are about to end, Indonesia is about to be reinstated as a member and Iraq’s production is coming back strongly after years of conflict.’

‘Ahead of Friday’s meeting, OPEC already was churning out well over than 31 million barrels a day and OPEC members are likely to continue producing more than their share as they push to compensate for low prices by increasing output.’

‘Ahead of Friday’s meeting, OPEC already was churning out well over than 31 million barrels a day and OPEC members are likely to continue producing more than their share as they push to compensate for low prices by increasing output.’

Comment by snake charmer
2015-12-04 08:22:50

Bad news for Fort McMurray.

 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-12-04 06:10:20

“Housing Bubble 2.0 Exposed (In 1 Simple Chart)”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/housing-bubble-20-exposed-1-simple-chart

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-04 09:43:52

Interesting HA. I like the report. It has merit.

It is a bit oversimplified, but that is appropriate for your level of analytical ability!

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 17:38:45

Data my friend….. data.

Sacramento, CA Housing Prices Crater 6% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/east-sacramento-sacramento-ca/home-values/

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-05 04:59:42

Wow. 6% appreciation in 2015. Strong seller’s market (9.8 of 10). Do you know how to read? HA!?

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-05 06:45:28

Drinking Downizup again Jingle_Fraud?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 06:25:44

‘China plans to spend around two years to tackle serious overcapacity in some industries and will ruthlessly deal with so-called zombie firms, Premier Li Keqiang said.’

‘China’s survey-based unemployment rate had been gradually falling in the last three months, Li said in comments published on the central government’s website, but no details were given.’

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 06:33:15

‘A few years ago, copper theft in the UK was such a problem that BT had to douse cables in an invisible liquid that glowed green on criminals’ hands when cast under a special light.’

‘But metal theft isn’t quite the problem it was. It has fallen 40pc on the railways this year and the national Metal Theft Taskforce, set up in 2011, has seen its funding wound down. Tougher legislation has helped but copper itself simply isn’t as valuable.’

‘Prices have halved since their peak in 2010. Last week they touched a six-year low of $4,490 a tonne, plunging in common with other commodities on the back of falling demand in China, and oversupply. Nicknamed “Doctor Copper” for its bellwether qualities though many now argue it provides little guide to the global economy the metal’s woes leave some of the FTSE 100’s biggest names exposed.’

“It was all about China on the way up, and all about China on the way down,” says Jeremy Wrathall, equities analyst at Investec. China’s growth surge led the biggest miners to ramp up supply. As mines can take up to 10 years to come on stream, supply that was needed a decade ago is only now reaching the market just as demand cools off.’

‘The metal’s decline is due to “a perfect storm of bad news”, says Dane Davis, analyst at Barclays Research. Copper is down 12pc this month alone, exacerbated by moves from the world’s biggest producer, Codelco, which signalled it would cut fees on shipments to China to stimulate sales there, while maintaining production; it is targeting output of 1.6m to 1.7m tonnes this year. “We would rather cut costs than production. If we suspend production, then it’s difficult to restart,” said chief executive Nelson Pizarro.’

‘Only two of the top 10 producers have signalled their intent to buck this trend. For the rest, cutting production to prop up prices runs the risk of missing out when they rise. “It would make sense to cut production industry-wide, but from a company perspective, it doesn’t make sense,” says Davis.’

‘It seems unlikely the metals boom of the last decade will return any time soon.’

Happens every time:

’supply that was needed a decade ago is only now reaching the market just as demand cools off’

Comment by Combotechie
2015-12-04 06:52:44

“Happens every time:

“’supply that was needed a decade ago is only now reaching the market just as demand cools off’”

Also happens every time:

Supply that was needed a decade ago AND THAT WAS FINANCED BY A HUGE AMOUNT OF DEBT is only now reaching the market just as demand cools off.

The demand cools off and this cooling off of demand also cools off prices - prices that need to remain heated up in order to service the huge amount of debt that depends on heated up prices.

Debt the remains unserviced tends to have its value go poof - poof as in gone, vanished, not available to be spent.

Poof, as in deflation.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2015-12-04 07:48:37

‘Nicknamed “Doctor Copper” for its bellwether qualities, though many now argue it provides little guide to the global economy, the metal’s woes leave some of the FTSE 100’s biggest names exposed.

Loosers…

 
Comment by snake charmer
2015-12-04 08:37:00

What seems to happen every time, at least with commodities, is that the response to falling prices is increased or maintained production, which results in a feedback loop that makes things worse, not better. I recently read “The Worst Hard Time,” about the Dust Bowl. The book recounted how wheat farmers in the Southern Plains responded to the glut in the late 1920s by plowing up more prairie and putting still more marginal land under cultivation, which collapsed prices even more.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2015-12-04 08:32:16

LOL. “Tackle serious overcapacity in some industries and will ruthlessly deal with so-called zombie firms.” Yeah, that’s going to happen!

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 09:50:57

‘The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries on Friday stood by its policy of pumping crude even with inventories sitting at record. In fact, OPEC increased its collective output ceiling by 5%, according to Reuters.’

‘West Texas Intermediate crude prices declined to 2.5% to $40.07 in recent trading. While budgets of smaller OPEC members including Venezuela and Algeria are buckling under low prices, the clout of Saudi Arabia and its Gulf carried the day. Increasing production tightens the screws on burgeoning rivals in the global oil market, including shale producers the U.S.’

Syrians are arriving in Alberta. Guess how many refugees the Saudi’s took in? Zero.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 07:07:22

I got this in an email:

‘Don Ganguly, CEO of HomeUnion Available to Comment on American Homes 4 Rent announced Thursday that it will merge with American Residential Properties’

‘Background: HomeUnion is an online real estate investment management firm, bringing value investing to the individual investor in single-family rental (SFR) properties. Based in Irvine, Calif., it provides all the services needed for individuals to invest remotely in SFR properties. HomeUnion’s role spans the lifecycle of the investment transaction: from identifying sound investments; handling all aspects of acquisition; maximizing income; protecting asset value; and selling it when the time comes.’

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 08:09:02

“Based in Irvine, Calif.”

Ever notice that this particular location seems to be the geographical epicenter and headquarters for all the fraud that’s been going on?

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2015-12-04 07:43:04

taxpayers to lose FANNY again
combine w 3% down form other sources?

This means, if you live with parents, siblings, working children or maybe a roommate, as long as they make 30 percent of the household income, Fannie

Comment by Professor Bear
2015-12-04 07:54:56

Mexican families, unite!

 
Comment by oxide
2015-12-04 12:28:21

Okay, NOW you guys can rip a new one out of Mel Watt for this.

And yes, this is ENTIRELY for the crowds of illegals that park 6 beaters on the street, rent out illegal basements, trash up the block, and attract enough rats to start a new Black Death. These people should be RENTING. And evicted the moment they don’t clean up their trash or pay up the monthly ut.

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-05 05:11:44

Wow, Oxy the real estate magnate is now a NIMBY?

Where is your tolerance and empathy? Caught up in an equity preservation campaign?

 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-12-04 08:01:58

Seattle, WA Housing Craters; Prices Plummet 8% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/market-report/12-15/250017/ballard-seattle-wa.xls?rt=14

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 08:29:51

Data my friend.

Silverdale, WA Housing Prices Crater 11% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/silverdale-wa/home-values/

Comment by redmondjp
2015-12-04 11:49:55

Using Silverdale pricing to support your incorrect assertion that Seattle prices are falling?

Hilarious!

You should try open mic night at the Laugh Factory, HA!

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 12:43:33

The data is the data my friend.

 
Comment by It’s been dramatic, mate.
2015-12-04 15:54:30

Seattle is a Miracle Market, prices cannot fall there.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-05 05:12:59

They can, but they haven’t…… HA!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-12-04 08:48:49

Denver, CO Housing Craters; Prices Fall 18% YoY

http://www.movoto.com/denver-co/market-trends/

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 08:56:15

‘There were a total of 64 price increases and 573 price decreases.’

YOY inventory: up 141%

Comment by taxpayers
2015-12-04 10:03:15

6 months ago denver was held out as the miracle market

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-05 05:15:07

It is still pretty affordable. If you get anxious about making your house payment, relax and light a doobie. Problem solved!

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-04 09:21:49

‘one fact is almost universally accepted, Irving said: ‘Very accommodative monetary policy has certainly been supportive of risk assets, including equities and probably home prices as well. That’s part of the Fed’s playbook’

‘It accused Quicken of having a ‘culture that elevated profits over compliance.’ A Justice Department spokeswoman would not address the Quicken lawsuit, but said via email that ‘the conduct that the government has pursued reflects clear, systematic, and knowing violations of meaningful and substantive FHA requirements.’

I don’t know if the above is significant, but I do know a person who makes some money. Can I borrow $500,000?

Comment by snake charmer
2015-12-04 10:54:26

“Fannie Mae is making it easier to get a mortgage, especially for creditworthy borrowers with low and moderate incomes. It’s called the HomeReady mortgage program, and here’s how it works. Buyers can put as little as 3 percent down on the house, with expanded rules regarding the source of the payment. But here’s the real kicker. HomeReady will consider incomes from others planning to live in the house without being a borrower on the loan. This means, if you live with parents, siblings, working children or maybe a roommate, as long as they make 30 percent of the household income, Fannie will include their money to help you qualify for a loan. Also, non-occupants of the home can add further income to the mortgage. Perhaps parents living elsewhere but willing to help pay the loan.”
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Am I reading this right? Will the program consider the incomes of people who “plan to live” in the house, but who won’t co-sign for the mortgage?

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2015-12-04 11:31:56

effect of mort rates
4% as par>>> arriving soon
4.25% = negative 2 -3 % ?
4.5% = negative 4-5%
or tax increases
4%= 1% loss (that’s par for most counties )
6% = 2%

?

Comment by oxide
2015-12-04 12:36:10

I don’t know what you’re getting at here, but 4% has been par for years now. My spring 2012 mortgage is 4% fixed. In mid-late 2012, many people refi’d into sub 4%.

Comment by taxpayers
2015-12-04 12:49:40

I’m in fairfax county- I’m guessing they go for a 5% tax increase

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-04 13:39:45

A 100% premium on a grossly inflated price of $300,000 or a few hundred dollars a year in property taxes.

Which would you rather pay?

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Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-12-04 17:29:42

“Why This Sucker Is Going Down… Again”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-04/why-sucker-going-down-again

 
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