No Longer A Part Of Our Economy
The Press Democrat reports from California. “The state’s 4-year-old drought may still be with us, but an even-longer dry spell for Sonoma County homebuilders appears to be ending. Sonoma County builders this fall are moving forward with more than 20 projects from Petaluma to Windsor. Together they add up to more than 1,400 units, by far the most new homes on the horizon in years. Aaron Matz, president of APM Homes, said in 2009 he had great difficulty selling 1,200-square-foot homes for $329,000 off Kawana Springs Road in southeast Santa Rosa. He recalled the difficulty in order to point out how times have changed. The county median sales price in October stood at $529,275, an increase of 74 percent from the bottom of the market.”
“And near Kawana Springs, the 10-lot Kawana Terrace project is about to offer similar homes to the ones Matz sold, but now they will be priced in the mid- to high $400,000s, according to a project representative. ‘The price appreciation makes it worthwhile to build,’ Matz said. Of homebuilders, he quipped, ‘Believe me, they’re not nonprofits.’”
“In the starter home segment, builders are applying to build more ‘row houses,’ said Mark Setterland, chief building official for the city of Santa Rosa. The homes are technically single-family with their own lot lines, but they have a gap of just inches between one another. Some of the projects that won approval years ago now may need dramatic overhauls in order to be feasible in today’s market, said Tennis Wick, director of the county’s Permit and Resource Management Department. For example, the county’s workforce in the coming years may not see much growth in the number of high-tech workers who can afford homes selling for $500,000 to $600,000.”
“The challenge, he said, will be to revise subdivisions that were approved for residents ‘who are no longer a part of our economy.’”
The Denver Post in Colorado. “Metro Denver home sales dropped last month at a pace not seen since the financial crisis hit back in 2008. REColorado, which runs the region’s multiple listing service, reported a big 27 percent drop in closings between the two months. Sales fell from 4,644 in October to 3,378 in November. The Denver Metro Association of Realtors (DMAR) recorded an even bigger 29.4 percent drop in homes sold in November. But existing home sales nationally remained flat in November versus October and continued a stall pattern in play since May, said Rick Sharga, executive VP of Auction.com. ‘Some of the stronger numbers we saw earlier in the year were a little bit of a mirage,’ he said. ‘It is slowing down and resetting.’”
“Denver’s drop is unmatched, he said. Fewer new listings, the equivalent of engine oil for a market, and sellers who got a little too greedy may be creating friction, he added. ‘People who were coming on the market in September or October were pricing like May or June. That is something that sellers and listing agents need to be aware of,’ said Anthony Rael, chairman of the DMAR Denver Real Estate Market Trends Committee.”
The Oklahoman. “Like many small towns in northwestern Oklahoma, Laverne relies on two things for its economy, agriculture and the oil and gas industry. Dwight Freeman, owner of Laverne oil pumping service General Inc., said over the past year his business has declined by more than 60 percent due to plummeting oil and gas prices. Lower gas prices have led to fewer companies using General to pump wells, forcing Freeman to lay off more than 15 percent of his workers. ‘It affects everyone’s bottom line. There’s just not as much income in this community as there was before,’ Freeman said.”
“The downturn in oil and gas prices has also taken a toll on small businesses and the housing market. More of the town’s roughly 1,400 residents are losing jobs, spending less money and in some cases leaving town, Laverne Mayor Susan Davis said. ‘Business traffic has declined a lot,’ Davis said. And when it comes to real estate, more and more houses in Laverne are up for sale with fewer buyers, she said. Nearby Woodward is in the same situation. Over the past nine years, home sales have risen and fallen due to varying oil and gas prices. Since reaching the highest sales of the past decade in 2008, home sales have declined by more than 30 percent, local Realtor Brian Cook said.”
Newsday in New York. “More than 4,000 homes were scheduled to be sold at foreclosure auctions this year, double last year’s number, according to data from LI Profiles, a Nesconset-based real estate information company. As on Long Island, the number of scheduled foreclosure sales in New York State has doubled this year — from 4,623 last year to 9,873 this year, RealtyTrac reported. In New York and other states where banks need a judge’s approval to foreclose, many homes are only now starting to emerge from the foreclosure process after years of delays. It took 995 days to foreclose on a home in New York in the July-to-September period, up 93 days from a year earlier, according to RealtyTrac.”
“‘New York took a very proactive position towards trying to prevent foreclosures as early as 2008 and 2009, so there were laws passed to try to give homeowners more time,’ said Daren Blomquist, VP of RealtyTrac. Now, he said, ‘the pig is moving through the python.’”
The Saint Mary’s County Times in Maryland. “The numbers of homes that have gone to foreclosure nation wide shows that there has been a significant spike in those kinds of properties in St. Mary’s and Calvert counties up to the end of October. What’s more is that in both counties—as in most of the state of Maryland for the month of October—there was a massive increase in foreclosure filings from one month to the next.”
“Jan Barnes, a local realestate agent with Century 21, said that despite claims every year that the economy was making a comeback, the evidence was less positive. ‘The market is not what it used to be,’ Barnes told The County Times. ‘I remember when foreclosures were unusual now they’re an everyday thing.’”
“Many of those homes are sold at far less than what they were originally paid for, she said, even eight years after the crash of 2007. She said the spikes in foreclosures, often seen month to month, had become part of the new normal in the real estate market. ‘It comes in waves, we just had another wave this last year,’ Barnes said. ‘And I know there are properties that are going to foreclosure than haven’t been advertised yet.’”
KING 5 News in Washington. “When Sgt. David Chitwood knocks on the door of the one level home 20th Drive NE in Marysville he knows it won’t be the homeowner that answers. They’re long gone. The family walked away from the property five years ago and the house went into foreclosure. In the years since, transients took over. Neighbors watched as the property filled with trash, criminals and drug addicts moved in, and cars along the street were getting broken into. The empty house became a revolving door for squatters.”
“Chitwood is with the Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office and joined by a little known team called Project 99. Their patrol cars attract neighbors who’ve seen the people inside shooed away time and time again. This is just one of many houses Project 99 will visit in a single day. ‘We just tell them or remind them, you’re on borrowed time and you need to make other arrangements,’ he said.”
“That’s just about all law enforcement can do when a house like this one remains in the legal gray area after a homeowner forecloses and the bank takes over, often letting the property sit for years before doing anything about it. ‘These people just keep coming back here, because I can’t stop them from coming back here yet,’ Chitwood said.”
“…..Sonoma County builders this fall are moving forward with more than 20 projects from Petaluma to Windsor….”
The best answer to more affordable housing: Homebuilders putting up knew houses! Go baby!
Do you want the Zillow on your houses to go down?
Can confirm. Less than half a mile away somebody bought this worn out 1930-ish house on an acre, bulldozed it, subdivided it and put up four generic stucco boxes. Small-time speculator did this job, with a lot of sweat equity, and was not done by pro developers. Anyway, they sold the homes at a $/sqft 6% less than what my Zillow $/sqft was at. The sales got rolled into my comps, and down came my Zillow number because of it.
What zip WPA ??
Decline to state
Fair enough…What county ?? What state ??
I’m in Nor Cal, but not SF or silicon valley.
Okay….
somebody bought this worn out 1930-ish house on an acre, bulldozed it, subdivided it and put up four generic stucco boxes. Small-time speculator did this job, with a lot of sweat equity, and was not done by pro developers ??
You see a lot of this when the market gets super hot….All the wannabe’s come out of the wood-work seeking big profits…Lots of money with no know-how…Just happened a few blocks from me…Some guy that owns a couple of restaurants wants to be a developer…Spent 2 1/2 years building a couple of houses…Got the houses done and thought he could just call PG&E on the phone to turn on the gas..LOL….Took another 6 months for that to happen…He paid way to much for the land and I know he is 2X over budget…If it was not for the strong real estate market here he would have gotten a royal a$$ pounding…
Another thing these wannabe’s are not aware of…There is a 10 year construction defect State law in place…LLC or a corporation you say ?? Sorry, the defect law penetrates it and goes direct to the principal…Probably the only relief would be through bankruptcy…
Point is this…Some of these guys who build these houses and sell them, have no ability to maintain quality control and hire as you would suspect the cheapest bid…If the defect that rear’s its head 4 or 5 years down the road is big enough, they go a big problem….
Ham and eggers build houses. Construction companies and contractors build America.
scdave:You see a lot of this when the market gets super hot…
And even now when the market’s cold. Somebody just bought a nearly identical teardown just two houses away from the infill job. Same thing, 1000 SF 2 br built in the 1930’s on an acre. As-is, poor condition. Sold for $285K. I don’t know if it’s the same small-time speculator recycling his profits to build more or not.
same small-time speculator recycling his profits to build more or not ??
yeah…Pretty typical with these guys….They step back and say, wow, look at all this money I made…This was not hard so lets do it again…Its fun until it isn’t…When I see this going on in my market place I am out of the market…I have seen a lot of money made flipping but I just feel it too risky…You get a good correction with these valuations and you will get your butt handed to you…Last time I stepped back was 2003 and although I may have got out a bit early I did not have to deal with the carnage that followed after 2008…I stepped back-in in 2012…I am now back out….
I’ve reported here before that I am seeing more and more acres of land around where I live being clear-cut of their trees for houses and CRE to be built. Just another residential spot was cleared away these past weeks. It is as if all of a sudden a collective light bulb went off in people’s heads that they should get the land sold and developed right now. Who knows, maybe these developers have had the drawings and plans on the board for years and it is a coincidence. This is not a really affordable area to live if you are making the state average income. For Maine, it is about $25K per capita.
Another thing these wannabe’s are not aware of…There is a 10 year construction defect State law in place…LLC or a corporation you say ?? Sorry, the defect law penetrates it and goes direct to the principal…Probably the only relief would be through bankruptcy…
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I have never heard of the law penetrating the ownership LLC. Are you talking about builder liability? Or owner liability? I’m curious as to how you came to this conclusion…we have had one situation where there was a defect claim on a commercial property–the suit did not extend to owners of the LLC.
The value of my properties is not the main goal. Getting enough housing for people is more important. Besides, the Zillow values are dropping and I’ll be fine. When you buy below reproduction cost, and have positive cash flow, life is good.
Some people on the HBB seem to detest home builders. Home builders are a renter’s best hope!
One has to understand what production cost is beforehand. You paid double then some for a used up item.
With 25 million excess empty and defaulted houses and another 35 million just beginning to empty, I don’t there is need for more houses Jingle_Fraud.
Oh wow, HA, you’re setting a new high bar here, you mean to tell me that we are going to have 60M empty houses shortly? Better alert the media, as I’m sure that 60 Minutes would love to do a story on that.
Your numbers get more entertaining by the day.
The data is the data my friend.
Which for this particular number you can generate exactly zero supporting data.
It’s been posted and discussed over and over again. You just have a beef with the data.
The median household income in Sonoma Co. is about $65K and currently the median house price is about $550K, that is not going to work for much longer. I’m expecting the echo bubble to implode locally in 2016.
I’m expecting the echo bubble to implode locally in 2016 ??
I would expect that interest rates would effect your market more than mine just because of what you said…Average income of 65k…Watch interest rates…I think they will give you a leading indicator on when your market might roll-over…
But if tech salaries keep increasing, why does it have to implode? Also the emigrants from Pacific Rim countries can keep bringing boatloads of cash to Sonoma County, and buy whatever inventory comes to market without regard to valuation ratios such as price to income.
With very little inventory coming to market, these marginal buyers can set the spot price. It doesn’t really have anything to do with what local residents earn at their jobs.
Lots of ifs and negatives there my friend. Here’s what we already know.
-Housing Demand at 20 year lows(30 Year low in CA)
-25 million excess empty houses(4.4 million in CA)
-Housing prices rolling over in major cities
-Massive appraisal fraud where resale housing is priced in excess of $50/sq ft(Remember; Construction costs are $55/sqft for lot, labor, materials and profit)
Sonoma County???
Napa, CA Housing Prices Crater 11% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/napa-ca/market-trends/
getting in housing now is like getting in on uber
gruber
duber
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zero barrier company investments=not good
Bartending by day Ubering by night!!
Redmond, OR Housing Collapses; Prices Crater 29% As Inventory Explodes 219%
http://www.movoto.com/redmond-or/market-trends/
Bethesda, MD Housing Craters; Prices Nosedive 19% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/bethesda-md/market-trends/
Vero Beach, FL Housing Craters; Prices Plummet 7% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/vero-beach-fl/market-trends/
Newton, MA Housing Craters; Housing Prices Plunge 16% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/newton-ma/market-trends/
North Bend, WA Housing Craters; Housing Prices Dive 6% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/north-bend-wa/market-trends/
Moorpark, CA Housing Craters; Prices Sink 4% YoY On Skyrocketing Housing Inventory
http://www.movoto.com/moorpark-ca/market-trends/
San Fernando, CA Housing Prices Crater 8% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/san-fernando-ca/market-trends/
We speculated here a few weeks ago that the YOY numbers had been deliberately scrubbed from movoto in order to hide the increasingly dramatic turn of the tide, but now they’re back. This still seems like the obvious explanation, so then the question is why are the numbers back now? Is it that:
- it’s December and nobody’s paying attention because of holidays?
- holiday delistings have made the change in the market less dramatic and therefore relatively fit for public consumption?
Trying to feel out whether these numbers, good as they are, are a straight representation of reality, or in fact a seasonal mask over bigger and even better declines …
Saw that locally, YOY disappeared for about a month but is now back. FWIW they also completely screwed up the numbers for September 2015 and have yet to correct them, the charts all have a dot for that month that is clearly bogus. I tried contacting them but no reply, no longer trust their numbers though for this month at least they seem to jibe with what other sites show.
http://www.movoto.com/santa-rosa-ca/market-trends/#city=&time=5Y&metric=Median%20List%20Price&type=0
The numbers in that chart are correct. They match what those in the .csv file.
‘may not see much growth in the number of high-tech workers who can afford homes selling for $500,000 to $600,000. The challenge, he said, will be to revise subdivisions that were approved for residents ‘who are no longer a part of our economy.’
director of the county’s Permit and Resource Management Department
^Follow the developer and permit office money trail.
revise subdivisions that were approved for residents ‘who are no longer a part of our economy.’
I’m trying to figure out what this means. Old people kicking off? Putting up near-attached product to replace SFH?
HA Mafia, I know you won’t do this, but could you or someone take a look at the slides/pictures in the Press Democrat article and comment on the quality of the framing and OSB? I don’t have much structural experience, but that looks pretty weak. Is it common to have to temporarily brace the framing like that during construction?
Donk,
What is it about temp bracing that enrages you?
Yeah, I didn’t think so.
What didn’t you think Donk?
‘residents ‘who are no longer a part of our economy.’
Means those who don’t earn enough to buy $500,000 houses.
The Denver housing market seems to presently be in a stall. Most of the sellers have their homes priced as if the Denver boom was still in place. This keeps sales down and inventory sitting.
The Denver boom stopped in May 2015. The Denver Post is just now confirming it.
Now that this slowdown has been fully reported in the Post, maybe sellers will start to be more realistic in their pricing in the coming months.
Multifamily housing inventory has significantly increased in Denver and rental prices are starting to head down. It seems to me that the oil and gas economy is going nowhere but down and soon construction (all that multifamily housing growth) will stop and the big hiring machine (construction) will end.
This means all of those newcomers to Colorado will head back to their home states since there will be few jobs here and only high rental prices. Therefore, there will be even less need for new multifamily housing and vacancies galore…
This means all of those newcomers to Colorado will head back to their home states
From you lips to God’s ears.
Just Reduced!
14 Oakmont Drive, Brentwood
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Now Offered at $6,850,000
http://www.zillow.com/homes/14-Oakmont-Drive,-Brentwood_rb/
11/22/15 Price change $6,850,000-1.1% $1,611 Westside Estat…
11/20/15 Price change $6,925,000-3.8% $1,629 Westside Estat…
10/10/15 Price change $7,195,000+5.9% $1,692 Westside Estat…
09/29/15 Pending sale $6,795,000 $1,598 The Agency
08/21/15 Listed for sale $6,795,000+204% $1,598 The Agency
10/24/91 Sold $2,234,000 $525 Public Record
1927 English Brick Tudor ??
I thought they tore down OJ’s house….
‘People who were coming on the market in September or October were pricing like May or June. That is something that sellers and listing agents need to be aware of,’ said Anthony Rael, chairman of the DMAR Denver Real Estate Market Trends Committee
A real estate agent giving advice on why you should drop your price?
Especially in the bust or boom Denver market where the faint of heart should never buy unless you really have no choice. $1m, 2900 sq. ft. 7500ft. lot envelop, overlooking a freeway and power lines with 10 inches of snow on the ground, yes ask what you want, but don’t cry when you don’t get?
FWIW, 10 inch snowfalls are pretty rare in the Mile High City. You might get one per season, but most winters don’t get one at all. I’d say that the typical snowfall is more in the 2-4″ range.
I live there 7 years the avg snowfall is 60 inches a year. Denver always apologizing for its weather it snows right up to and sometimes into early May, spring snow ( March-April) often sees 12-18 inches in one day. We had at least 12 to 22 inches in several days for the seven years we lived there ( Jefferson County)), are you sure you live in DENVER and not the Western Slope. The most legendary Monday nights games were snowstorms at Mile Hi stadium? stay safe
Brentwood, CA Housing Craters; Prices Plunge 10% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/market-report/12-15/113910/brentwood-los-angeles-ca.xls?rt=14
Here it is… along with falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels which raises everyones standard of living.
“Bloomberg Commodity Index Crashes To 16-Year Low - 22% Below 2009 Trough”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-07/bloomberg-commodity-index-crashes-16-year-low-22-below-2009-trough
Update: Oil Price Blows A Hole Through $38 Floor; Support Level At $30
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/crude%20oil%20-%20electronic
Seattle, WA Housing Prices Crater 6% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/seattle-wa-98199/home-values/
“Apple “Faces Risk Of Inventory Correction”: Three Channel Checks Confirm Deteriorating iPhone Sales”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-07/apple-faces-risk-inventory-correction-three-channel-checks-confirm-deteriorating-iph
“China Trade Plunges, Yuan Tumbles Near Lowest Level In 4 Years”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-07/fed-decision-looms-chinas-yuan-tumbles-near-lowest-level-4-years
The global credit bubble is deflating bring dramatically lower and more affordable prices.
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