Prices That Once Would Have Encouraged Optimism
The Belmontonian reports from Massachusetts. “A million dollar house on Rutledge? Of course! How about in the shadow of the Temple on Amherst Road? You bet. Even along School Street, where the production of ‘This Old House’ came to visit, makes sense to see a price tag for a cool million. But Watson Road? The road off of Washington below the Presidential neighborhood is typical of many Belmont side-streets, one of homes built in the same style as their neighbors; sturdy but far from fancy. And 140 Watson is just that: the town rates it as a B grade house – heated by oil with an unfinished attic – with its last significant renovation was the installation of replacement windows a decade ago.”
“The town’s assessors did bump up its assessed value in the past year, to a whopping $784,000. Somehow, this ‘average’ house oversold its assessed value by nearly a quarter of a million dollars! Maybe the buyers misheard an important fact: it’s heating is oil not that there is oil in the basement, a la ‘The Beverly Hillbillies.’ The fact that an average house could sell for a fat premium should give people pause, during which time they can recall the last few housing financial ‘bubbles’ and their impact on the community and town finances.”
The New York Times on Colorado. “Janet L. Yellen, the Fed’s chairwoman, and her colleagues have concluded that the economy is finally strong enough to grow with a little less help from the central bank. The first rate increase will be small, then the Fed expects to raise rates about one percentage point a year for the next few years. There are new skyscrapers downtown and new subdivisions in every direction. Yet the local mood is fragile. Housing prices have climbed 24 percent above the precrisis peak, but whereas that once would have encouraged economic optimism, now people fret that home prices are due for a fall.”
“Mitchell Goldman, the owner of Apex Homes, said customers rushed to buy houses in recent years because they worried prices would climb. Now people are holding back, wondering if prices will fall. ‘I’ve been getting asked the question a lot, ‘Should we wait?’”
The San Francisco Chronicle in California. “Remember no-money-down mortgages from the last housing bubble? They’re back. San Francisco Federal Credit Union this week introduced a loan program that will allow Bay Area buyers to finance their homes up to $2 million, with no down payment and no requirement for mortgage insurance, according to HousingWire. ‘Too many of our members have given up hope of buying a home because of escalating home prices and the required down payment,’ said Rebecca Reynolds Lytle, chief lending officer. ‘However, these same families are paying more than a mortgage payment for monthly rent.’”
“Another sign of a peak? This Telegraph Hill tenant in common is listed for $425,000.”
Vegas Inc in Nevada. “Homebuilder Don Boettcher recently spoke with VEGAS INC about Century’s developments and the valley’s housing market, including the go-go years last decade and the wide price-gap between new homes and resales. In Southern Nevada, the median sales price for new homes is around $316,800, according to Home Builders Research. That’s more than 40 percent above the median price of resales, $220,000, according to the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors.”
“Q: What does that do to builders when you’ve got so many rental homes out there and a big inventory of unsold existing homes? A: Those are housing alternatives for somebody. There’s also a big price difference between new homes and resales. But that gap needs to be narrower. Historically, it’s always been a 15 percent spread. Q: I assume you’d prefer resale prices to come up rather than new-home prices to come down. A: Absolutely. The free marketplace will get things right, but it’s all going to take some time.”
“Q: What are the weaknesses you see in the homebuilding market? Las Vegas still has a lot of foreclosures, underwater borrowers, and residents with spotty finances. A: For single-family resales, we still have a disproportionate amount of distressed properties. We also have an excess amount of rental properties in our single-family inventory.”
The Daily Herald in Illinois. “The real estate market in Kane, McHenry and DeKalb counties is improving at a fast clip, said Lora Mahnke, manager of the Huntley office of Century 21 New Heritage. The presence of short sales and foreclosures on the market is no longer having a huge negative effect on traditional sales prices. Appraisers are now able to find enough traditional sales to use as comparable prices when they are judging the worth of a home, Mahnke said. ‘And when there is a question, real estate agents often meet the property appraisers to show them the comparable properties that they used to arrive at a price. And if there were multiple offers that drove up the price, they show the underwriters the competing offers, too. That is what happens when there is so much more demand than supply.’”
“‘The amount of foreclosures and short sales on the market has fallen again, she said. ‘Banks are no longer holding on to a shadow inventory of homes and releasing them slowly over time. There is really little or no lag time from when the bank gets a home to when they put it on the market.’”
From New Jersey.com. “Claiming that there are more than 100 abandoned homes in the township, a gathering of residents, local housing and real estate experts plan to meet with town council during a special hearing on Monday. In a news release distributed by the Keller Williams Realty group, those organizing the effort to get issue addressed claim nothing is being done to clean up the houses. Letters from unnamed ‘concerned’ residents included in the news release make additional claims of the vacancies prompting even more people to move out of the township.”
“‘In Riverside Park alone we have at least eight abandoned homes. These homes have been neglected by the bank and homeowners for years,’ the a life-long resident wrote, adding that they are ‘fearful to even walk my granddaughter past these houses these days.’ A resident who identified themselves as a Tenby Chase townhomes resident since 2008 said that the abandoned homes are both ‘eyesores’ and ‘dangerous.’ ‘These vacant buildings are easy targets for scrappers who break in and steal copper piping which in turn makes them even harder to sell later on down the line and puts everyone else at risk,’ the resident said, adding that more people are moving out because they don’t want to live near abandoned properties.”
The Ann Arbor News in Michigan. “The vacant, foreclosed home that once stood at 210 S. Mansfield St. in Ypsilanti Township seemed to defy physics in not collapsing on itself. But equally alarming is what building officials investigating the wobbly home in 2014 discovered inside. Multiple memos written by property maintenance companies hired by its owner, CitiMortgage, clearly documented the decay. The paperwork was hard evidence that Citi knew of the home’s precarious state, but did nothing.”
“And Citi’s South Mansfield property isn’t an isolated case. Of the 512 vacant houses Ypsilanti Township inspected over the last 18 months, it identified over 350 as bank walkaways, and it has another 500 abandoned buildings to check on. In other words, if one spots a vacant house in Ypsilanti Township, then the odds are good that it’s owned by a lending institution.”
“The argument for abandoning hundreds of homes in a community comes down to money and globalization, bank officials say. Mark Rodgers, Citi’s director of public affairs, says the company couldn’t address the Mansfield property for three years because it wasn’t able to get approval from the investors who bought the mortgage. Michigan Bankers Association Vice President John Llewellyn says the situation is the same across the board. ‘A lot of things have become internationalized…No one on the other side of the world has a legal obligation to fix these homes,’ Llewellyn said. ‘Do they have a moral obligation to repair property on the other side of the world? We threw those morals away a long time ago.’”
“The situation is especially galling after taxpayers bailed out the banking industry in 2008, said Ypsilanti Township Attorney Doug Winters. He called banks pushing their business losses on taxpayers a case of ‘Heads I win, tails you lose.’ ‘Banks don’t have the right, legally or morally, from my point of view, to take TARP and bailout money from us taxpayers, then say, ‘Well, it costs us too much to rehab these homes or put them up for sale, so we’re going to let it sit there and rot,’ Winters said.”
“The state and federal governments have been little help. While settlement money from piecemeal lawsuits against banking institutions was supposed to help with cleanup, there has been no coordinated distribution effort and minimal monitoring of the funds. And that’s frustrating to Winters, who says the problem in a nutshell is simple: ‘The banks are too big to care.’”
Ill annoy
Anyone know how much their taxes are going up?
From the article:
‘Whether a particular townhouse or condominium is able to take part in the buying boom depends, she said, on whether the complex has been approved for FHA financing, which is available at a much lower interest rate to buyers.’
“If there are too many rentals within a complex, the FHA will not offer financing. In addition, the association must make the effort to apply for FHA approval so that potential buyers can apply for that financing,” Mahnke said.’
‘If a condo or townhouse association doesn’t have it, that complex is at a distinct disadvantage because it can only rely on buyers who can afford to put 20 percent down. Many people who are interested in townhouses and condominiums do not have the financial wherewithal to come up with that large of a lump-sum payment.’
‘All first-time buyers (which is currently defined as those who have not owned a home in the past three years) are eligible, however, to apply for $7,500 in assistance through an Illinois Housing Development Authority (IHDA) program. This money does not need to be repaid as long as the buyer stays in the home five years or more, Mahnke said.’
“We don’t want the government to get too involved because that can cause additional problems. But we would like to see taxes decrease in Illinois. Many baby boomers are leaving the state because they can no longer afford the taxes here and I am afraid that the big businesses will start leaving next. If that happens, where will people get jobs? We are in a Catch 22.”
Anyone know how much their taxes are going up?
Got TABOR?
I am in California. My property taxes cannot increase more than 2%/year, nor exceed 1% of the market value (plus about .25% for some “junk” fees).
That’s won’t save you either Jingle_Fraud.
HA, HA, HA.
Evidently, it will…..save me about
“…….the equivalent of around 900.00 per year per household”
Multiply that by 9 and there is little pocket change I can put to good use.
Now it’s 9? You can’t even keep that story straight Jingle_Fraud.
Estimate I had heard before Rummy announced the property tax increase was the equivalent of around 900.00 per year per household on a 250K property.
Mind you many of the SFR homes in Ch*tcago are on die cut lots (typ. 60 by 120 ft with alley access), bungalows, at about 1900 s.f. per with an unfinished basement.
I have no idea what the increase is on sky boxes, commercial properties etc.
Also in the works is a discussion between Rauner (gov) and MadAgain (1/2 of the Sith pair in the Illannoy assembly) about raising personal income tax back above 5%. This coupled with a sales tax rate in Ch*tcago of 10 3/4% makes for an interesting fleecing of local pockets and wallets.
Preckwinkle (yep that is her last name) the President of Cook co. is also demanding an increase in the hotel tax and other incidental taxes in Cook Co. proper. This is an ongoing debate.
And sadly all the special snowflakes who live in said Cook Co. continue to vote all this trollop into office expecting hope and change to come.
Even ol’ Oprah is moving out of Chicago - What does that tell ya?
And the folks (if they can) continue to vacate this dump.
You cannot slowly deflate a bubble …
“Mitchell Goldman, the owner of Apex Homes, said customers rushed to buy houses in recent years because they worried prices would climb. Now people are holding back, wondering if prices will fall. ‘I’ve been getting asked the question a lot, ‘Should we wait?’”
Prices went up because … because prices went up. People “rushed to buy houses in recent years because they worried prices would climb”. As a result, prices climbed.
But now? “Now people are holding back, wondering if prices will fall. ‘I’ve been getting asked the question a lot, ‘Should we wait?’”
Poof goes the psychology that drove prices higher, and it was this psychology that fueled the bubble - that and “doable” monthly payments.
Once would-be buyers hold back a little, the demand that pushed prices to the snapping point drops just enough to slow the rate of price appreciation a smidgen. The slightly lower rate of price appreciation convinces at least some investors to reallocate from real estate to other investment choices with better expected returns. The further drop in housing demand slows appreciation further. The persistently negative second derivative of prices eventually leads to negative appreciation, at which point any prospective buyer who is paying attention will naturally stay out of the market until it stabilizes at a much lower price level which once again reflects positive prospective returns on investment.
‘And 140 Watson is just that: the town rates it as a B grade house – heated by oil with an unfinished attic – with its last significant renovation was the installation of replacement windows a decade ago.’
‘The town’s assessors did bump up its assessed value in the past year, to a whopping $784,000. Somehow, this ‘average’ house oversold its assessed value by nearly a quarter of a million dollars!’
Janet? Janet? Mel?
Ellen Zentner the chief economist for Morgan Stanley said this morning that 90% of the mortgages outstanding are fixed rate…You have any data on this Ben ??
Fixed or floating, they’re all based on sketchy grossly inflated appraisals.
This…..
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20151007/NEWS02/151009860/how-much-will-emanuels-tax-hike-cost-renters
One of the major signs during 2005-2008 that things were out of hand with the housing bubble in the Bay Area was that people were using Option ARMs as an affordability product.
$0 down mortgages are a similar sign.
‘no requirement for mortgage insurance’
That’s the biggest sign I’ve EVER seen.
Hello….Frank?……Dodd?…….crickets……….
No, these zero down loans are still not like the NINJA Option ARMs of years past (No Income, No Job or Assets).
The loan in question charges a 1% fee for a no-down payment loan, the loans are 5 year ARMs, amortizing from day one, and “eligibility also depends on a number of additional factors, such as
credit scores, income, employment status, and property value and eligibility.”
It’s all sub-prime Rental_Fraud….. and has been since 2000.
‘And when there is a question, real estate agents often meet the property appraisers to show them the comparable properties that they used to arrive at a price. And if there were multiple offers that drove up the price, they show the underwriters the competing offers, too’
Is this legal?
Is this legal ??
Not anymore….Mortgage lender nor the realtors can select or have direct contact with the appraiser…Frank/Dodd…
‘Somehow, this ‘average’ house oversold its assessed value by nearly a quarter of a million dollars!”
But there’s no fraud going on.
“Not anymore….Mortgage lender nor the realtors can select or have direct contact with the appraiser…Frank/Dodd…”
Doesn’t matter when appraisers are guessing at the price and trying to meet a number.
‘nor the realtors can select or have direct contact with the appraiser’
Somebody should tell Liz Warren.
‘real estate agents often meet the property appraisers’
‘real estate agents often meet the property appraisers ??
Yes…To let them in…But they are under strict guidelines not to attempt to influence the appraiser…Ethics violation and possibly license exposure…
But there’s no fraud going on ??
Dodd/Frank has some pretty serious teeth…If what I am being told by a mortgage lender friend is correct, you not only loose your license but you go to jail…With that said, yeah, I suspect there is some…People will commit a fraud for financial gain…Not much new here…
Whether they talk to anyone doesn’t matter. You had a Freudian slip a few weeks back and admitted they don’t actually do any “appraising”. They meet an asking price. This is nothing new and it’s been going on for a couple decades now.
“to attempt to influence the appraiser”
Just leave the sales fliers out on the kitchen counter.
‘Not much new here’
If you have locals in nowhere Massachusetts asking wtf is going on with little dumps selling for a quarter million over just upped appraisals, it suggests the door to fraud is wide open. And I didn’t know about the Dodd Frank thing you mentioned. I was asking how can they use competing offers to substantiate an appraisal? Isn’t that supposed to be actual comps from other sales? And not just one, several.
Isn’t that supposed to be actual comps from other sales? And not just one, several ??
Answer is yes…It must have closed in the last 6 months…Anything older cannot be used…
asking wtf is going on with little dumps selling for a quarter million over just upped appraisals, it suggests the door to fraud is wide open ??
Can only speak for my area but many times the appraisal may not come in at contract price but it still closes…The appraisers also load the data into a data base that other apprisers can use…So if a transaction closed at lets say $700,000. an appraiser may have access to what the appraisal was…If it was lower, and there is only one at the lofty price, he/she may not use it…
Just talking about appraisers generally…Its very subjective and their numbers can be all over the board on the same property…Its because of the adjustments that they need to make in the appraisal in any number of categories (condition,age,square footage, location etc.)…
Once again, these “appraisers” don’t evaluate based on input costs. They wing it and check recent sales and select a number close. Nevermind that the recent sales were founded on the same cavalier, unpracticed method. It’s nothing more than rank amateurism.
We saw a couple of years ago Boston appraisers saying lines at open houses could be taken into account, and similar stuff in southern California. Just look at the double digit gains, for years; it’s obvious these appraisals are hitting the numbers.
Just look at the double digit gains, for years; it’s obvious these appraisals are hitting the numbers ??
Does it feed on itself ?? Sure…If you have closed transactions that the appraiser needs to use and those transactions are on the increase then naturally the appraisal may go higher…Its also happens in the other direction as we saw in the aftermath of 2008 which left a lot of people underwater with no ability to refinance because of lower appraisals…That is, until the government stepped in…
Just leave the sales fliers out on the kitchen counter ??
Oh please…Yeah, and take on another 100k on the price for good measure…The appraisers have full access to the MLS & there own appraisal data bases…They know exactly what the house was listed for…
“They know exactly what the house was listed for…”
Precisely. Hence they have no excuse.
As Florida Keys flood, property worries seep in
Look at population figures for any town in the Keys–with the exception of Key West, which has been stable for decades, every other place has at least doubled or tripled since 1960.
Whether threatened by climate change or not, most of those islands are not supposed to be densely populated. There’s no water, it has to be piped in! The major industries have changed from fishing and smuggling to tourism and real estate. My favorite snub of nature is McMansions in Islamorada within shouting distance of the monument on US-1 to victims of the Labor Day Hurricane. I don’t think that’s going to work out long term.
Here’s one of the comments to the article. I happen to like Marathon:
“I lived in Marathon in the Middle Keys for 20 years. Ten years ago I realized I could sell my property to some dumbstruck northerner for 5 times what I could insure it for. After mulling this over for approximately 15….maybe 20 seconds, I borrowed a page from Billy Joe and Bobby Sue. I took the money and ran.”
‘LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices tumbled 4 percent on Monday, coming close to their 11-year low, on growing fears that the global oil glut would worsen in the months to come in a pricing war between leading OPEC and non-OPEC producers.’
‘Iran’s crude oil exports are set to hit a six-month high in December as buyers ramp up purchases in expectation that sanctions against the country will be lifted early next year, according to an industry source with knowledge of tanker loading schedules.’
‘Iranian news agency Shana quoted on Monday manager director of Iran’s Central Oil Fields Company, Salbali Karimi, as saying Iran’s cost of production stood $1-$1.5 per barrel, in a clear indication it would ramp up output in any price scenario.’
‘Gulf producers and Russia have said they would not cut output even if prices fell to $20 per barrel.’
I smell roasting crow.
‘cost of production stood $1-$1.5 per barrel’
But….some suppliers “need” $100/bbl. They NEED it!
By now it’s blackened crow. Put some Tobasco on it.
The burned crow stench is really stinking up the room.
“Crude Falls Below $35 per Barrel”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-14/oil-falls-below-35-in-new-york-for-first-time-since-2009
“The Credit And Currency Implosion In 14 Charts”
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-credit-and-currency-implosion-in-14-charts/
Redmond, OR Housing Craters; Prices Collapse 27% YoY; Declines Accelerate
http://www.movoto.com/redmond-or/market-trends/
“Fitch Warns Of “Historic Junk Milestone” As US Defaults Surge”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-14/fitch-warns-historic-junk-milestone-us-defaults-surge
“Oil at US$35 would send Canadian home prices tumbling 26%”
http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/oil-at-us35-would-send-canadian-home-prices-tumbling-26-cmhc-says
Problem: Inflated Prices
Solution: Falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels.
Why is the headline characterized as the problem when it is in fact the solution?
The MSM gets this wrong every time.
If you see the rest of the world is wrong and you and HA are “right”, you need to look around again. HA!
……says the DebtMonkey whose entire future is founded on fraud driven markets at unprecedented levels.
“…..Mark Rodgers, Citi’s director of public affairs, says the company couldn’t address the Mansfield property for three years because it wasn’t able to get approval from the investors who bought the mortgage.”
Mark gets paid $150,000 a year to keep talking to whomever will listen. His “special servicing” group bills the investor client $300/hour to push paper. None of these people want a solution that causes the house to sell and be removed from their control. It is their MEAL TICKET!
The only answer is to condemn abandoned houses by eminent domain. Tricky? Yes. Expensive? Yes. Better than sitting on your ass and watching your neighborhood go down in flames? Possibly.