December 21, 2015

The Market May Not Be As Strong As Most People Think

The Sun Sentinel reports from Florida. “If you’re looking to buy a new condo this weekend, you might be able to walk away with a leased set of wheels. Quantum Marketing Group, in conjunction with the Engel & Volkers real estate firm in Boca Raton, says it has created a program that will pay the car leases for buyers of certain condos across South Florida. The kind of car depends on the price of the condo, but BMWs, Cadillacs and Corvettes are among the possibilities, said Gary Hochman, head of Quantum Marketing Group. ‘This is just an extra tool to get the deal done,’ he said.”

“Offering incentives to buyers became common a decade ago during the housing bust. Perks have included cars, trips and paid closing costs for buyers and higher commissions for real estate agents. Jack McCabe, a housing analyst in Deerfield Beach, said the market may not be as strong as most people think if builders and sellers are back to offering incentives. ‘If they didn’t need to do it, they wouldn’t do it,’ he said.”

Home Town Focus on Minnesota. “Our Iron Range has always had its own heart beat from the rest of the nation. Now we embark on yet another shift, once again due to the heartbeat of our area; the mining industry. We have suffered job loss after job loss; layoff after layoff. We have started to see the impact to our housing industry and I suspicion we will continue to for a while. Our October Range Association of Realtors Housing Reports indicates our number of closed sales is down 24.4% over last year; the one year median sales price is down 21.4%. In other words, if last year Mr. Seller got $100,000 for his home; this year he received $78,600. Those are some pretty major price numbers for our market.”

“Our market is certainly a buyers’ market with far more inventory than qualified buyers. Our median list price is down 7.7%, not coinciding with the market drop of 21.4%. When these numbers are far apart, that helps explain of why our days on market get extended: the reality of the market, in relation to the price of the house on the market, is not correlating.”

WWNY TV in New York. “For many Watertown area landlords, there is one way to describe the rental market. ‘The rental market right now is flooded. There are so many apartments that have been built in the last two or three years,’ said Michael Siptrott, Conley Rental management.”

“New apartment complexes started popping up just a few years ago to help alleviate some of the pressures on soldiers and their families moving to the area. At that time there were few places to rent. As of November, the vacancy rate is just above 9 percent. And that means prices are falling. ‘A $1,000 a month apartment five years ago is probably now about eight hundred dollars,’ said Siptrott. So what does this mean for landlords? ‘I think the take home message for a lot of landlords is you need to take care of your property. If you don’t, your property is going to be vacant,’ said Siptrott. And more rental units are in the works.”

The Alaska Dispatch News. “A troubled multimillion-dollar luxury condo development in Anchorage’s Bootlegger Cove neighborhood will go on the market at a foreclosure auction in early January. Dubbed ‘The Alexis,’ the planned seven-unit building on the shore of Cook Inlet has racked up about $4 million in construction costs, yet is only about 60 percent completed, said Nick Mystrom, a New Mexico-based developer who purchased the $2.4 million lien from Keystone National Group, the previous lender. ‘The entire project should have been finished for that amount,’ he said.”

“Mystrom said the amount owed to contractors and subcontractors on the project by the previous developers totals about $1 million, but foreclosure proceedings may leave some who worked on The Alexis unpaid. Robert and Lisa Munson, co-owners of Accurate Framing Systems, said the project left them uncompensated for about $100,000. ‘No one has said where the money is. We don’t know if it’s fraud or mismanagement,’ Lisa Munson said. ‘My question is: Who got the money and where did it go?’”

The Californian. “Despite home prices continuing to improve since the recession and demand to buy homes remains high in Monterey County, the number of properties foreclosed over the first 11 months of 2015 outpaced the same period last year by more than 13 percent. And Monterey County, which had a 60 percent increase in foreclosures year-over-year in November, was one of only 15 of the 58 California counties where foreclosures increased over that period. Those others included Santa Cruz, Tehama, Alameda, Amador, Los Angeles and Kings counties.”

“Over the past three months, Martin Morales, broker for Monterey-based Century 21 Showcase Realtors, said he has seen the number of foreclosed properties in the local market rise, mostly in Salinas, Prunedale and southcounty. He said part of the reason likely is that five- to seven-year, interest-only home loans issued by lenders in 2005 to 2009 are resetting to regular rates in which interest and portions of the principal have to be paid every month — and some of the affected home buyers are discovering they can’t afford those rates. ‘And those loans are resetting or have been resetting for the past two years, and those are the homes we are seeing still lingering and gong to the foreclosures process,’ Morales noted.”

“Any loan modifications homeowners made from 2010 to 2012 also are undergoing five-year modifications, and some people can’t afford those new rates, said Juan Del Real, a broker for Bay Capital Real Estate in Salinas. Also appearing to have an effect is California’s Homeowner Bill of Rights, which took effect at the start of 2013. But any predictions about housing trends in Monterey county or anywhere else in the country could be turned on their ears within a few days or months if officials at the Federal Reserve decide to raise interest rates. ‘After rates go up, [home] prices may stabilize or drop some,’ said Del Real, noting demand for homes is high and the inventory is low countywide. ‘It all depends on how rates go.’”

The Morning Call in Pennsylvania. “When Coca-Cola relocated Tim Fischbach from Northern California to the Lehigh Valley in 2010, Fischbach figured a little more than $300,000 for his five-bedroom home in Schnecksville was a bargain basement price for a home snatched up near the bottom of the market. Surely its value would skyrocket in just a few years, courtesy of the recession rebound, and he could flip it for a tidy profit, he thought. Five years after landing that bargain, Fischbach sold the home this summer for barely more than he paid. ‘We tried to wait the market out, but it didn’t exactly happen that way,’ Fischbach said. ‘It became pretty clear that it wasn’t going up any time soon. It was surprising.’”

“According to the Greater Lehigh Valley Realtors Association, the median sale in 2015 through November was about $173,000. That’s not just a disappointment for people like Fischbach who thought they were making a sound buy in the recession, but frustrating for people who bought at the height of the market, from 2004 to 2008, and are now stuck in homes that are not worth what they owe.”

“The report only confirms what Realtor Brad Patt has been living every day. But Patt said there are some encouraging signs on the horizon. ‘It’s a really good time to buy a house in the Lehigh Valley,’ he said.”

“Of course, that’s what Tim Fischbach thought in 2010.”




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Comment by Professor Bear
2015-12-21 05:42:11

A likely scenario is for the next California recession to hit before the foreclosure pipeline is cleared out from the last bust.

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-21 09:55:50

There are still zombie houses in my neighborhood, I think you are correct PB.

I have noticed more lenders are resolving more of the 7 and 8 year old defaulted loans lately and the existing residents are not leaving! Maybe the lenders are renegotiating the loan amount and reinstating the reduced principal.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 10:26:58

Not to mention all the new defaults showing up.

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-21 16:17:40

Glad you’re not mentioning them, ’cause there aren’t many new ones! HA!

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 17:07:30

Only 4.4 million of them in that hellish state Jingle_Fraud….. and rising.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 17:14:41

‘there aren’t many new ones’

“This also means the share of active foreclosures tied to bubble-era [per-recession] loans is shrinking,” with 59 percent of all loans that originated between 2004 and 2008 in foreclosure, Blomquist stated. “While that is still a disproportionate share of active foreclosures, it continues to decrease from 61 percent earlier this year and 75 percent two years ago.”

41% from after 2008?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2015-12-21 05:42:33

a FREE” car for added depreciation
Zillow predicts most of FL up 4-6% next yr
must be the car

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 06:45:19

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 07:41:33

‘Save Thousands on a New Home in the Inland Empire; Pardee Homes’ Make Your Move Event Offers Great Incentives’

‘The ‘Make Your Move’ package, available on select Pardee homes in Beaumont and Lake Elsinore purchased by December 20th, includes incentives such as backyard landscaping, washer, dryer, refrigerator and a TV. Additionally, the buyer may be qualified to a select a financing incentive such as 12 months pre-paid HOA dues or a permanent interest rate buydown.’

‘At Canyon Hills in Lake Elsinore, choose from four neighborhoods–Summerfield featuring both one- and two-story homes with up to four bedrooms, approximately 1,538 to 1,950 square feet and pricing from the very low $300,000s; Meadow Ridge, with up to seven bedrooms, approximately 2,383 to 4,241 square feet and pricing from the high $300,000s; Meadow Glen, with four to five bedrooms and approximately 2,021 to 3,154 square feet and priced from the mid $300,000s; and Amberleaf with three to five bedrooms, approximately 1,646 to 2,629 square feet and priced form the low $300,000s.’

Comment by In Colorado
2015-12-21 12:25:52

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the water in Lake Elsinore has a pungent aroma.

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Comment by watching
2015-12-21 13:49:43

We’ll teach you to drink deep ere you depart …

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2015-12-21 08:57:39

Take advantage of your car’s equity with a cash out refinance ??

Whats next, cash-out refi on your furniture ??

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-21 09:57:53

Adirondack Equity! Go!

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Comment by dwkunkel
2015-12-21 09:41:13

Cars depreciate so rapidly, how can a car loan have equity available to cash out?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 10:20:13

A house depreciates just as quickly.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 11:35:07

‘how can a car loan have equity’

A knew a person who had done it more than once.

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Comment by rms
2015-12-21 22:30:36

“Cars depreciate so rapidly, how can a car loan have equity available to cash out?”

No chit… gotta wonder who buys the bonds on the other side of these deals?

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Comment by cactus
2015-12-21 10:40:03

Discover what you can achieve with a Springleaf Financial auto loan. Apply online … Auto Loans. Take advantage of your car’s equity with a cash out refinance.”

this isn’t new ITT did it back in the 1980’s and CA won a class action against them.

Comment by oxide
2015-12-21 15:01:54

Since then they’ve gotten a lot better at writing the fine print.

My guess is that these refi’s are targeted toward people who put a good chunk down on an expensive car during good times, and have since fallen on hard times and need that down payment cash back.

It’s a version of a title loan, but for people who haven’t paid off the car yet.

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Comment by snake charmer
2015-12-21 08:46:36

Quantum Marketing Group? That sounds like SPECTRE. And they’re even offering erstwhile James Bond purchaser types a sexy new car.

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 12:28:41

‘Buyer’s market: These 5 collector cars saw the biggest price declines of 2015′

1. 1946 – 1952 Hudson Commodore (-36 percent)
2. 1968 – 1975 BMW 2002 (-33 percent)
3. 1976 – 1986 American Motors CJ-7 (-32 percent)
4. 1957 – 1958 Studebaker Golden Hawk (-30 percent)
5. 1955 – 1957 Chevrolet 150 (-27 percent)

http://autoweek.com/article/classic-cars/buyers-market-these-five-collector-cars-saw-biggest-price-declines-2015#ixzz3uz9FugTL

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2015-12-21 05:44:53

“The report only confirms what Realtor Brad Patt has been living every day. But Patt said there are some encouraging signs on the horizon. ‘It’s a really good time to buy a house in the Lehigh Valley,’ he said.”

There is never a bad time to buy in Lehigh Valley.

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-21 09:59:41

I hear what you’re really saying: “There has never been a good time to buy in Lehigh Valley!”

Clearly true for the last 15 years!

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2015-12-21 06:27:41

$300,000 for any house in the Lehigh Valley is at the top of that market.

He is lucky to have broken even…(assuming low transfer taxes and realtor costs)

Fischbach figured a little more than $300,000 for his five-bedroom home in Schnecksville was a bargain basement price for a home snatched up near the bottom of the market.

Comment by dwkunkel
2015-12-21 09:42:58

The other question is why did he think he needed a five-bedroom house anyway.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 06:30:57

‘The rental market right now is flooded. There are so many apartments that have been built in the last two or three years…A $1,000 a month apartment five years ago is probably now about eight hundred dollars…And more rental units are in the works.’

And the stuff being built - luxury apartments.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 06:33:07

‘Also appearing to have an effect is California’s Homeowner Bill of Rights, which took effect at the start of 2013′

The article explains that this bill artificially suppressed foreclosures in prior years.

 
Comment by prime+1
2015-12-21 06:35:16

It’s about to get fun up North.

“Four mortgage trends to watch in 2016, like more missed payments”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/mortgages/four-mortgage-trends-to-watch-in-2016/article27889535/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 06:35:44

‘Lisa Munson said. ‘My question is: Who got the money and where did it go?’

I thought this was an odd question. It went where it was got, I suppose Lisa. Thanks for the free framing.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 06:41:40

‘Our median list price is down 7.7%, not coinciding with the market drop of 21.4%. When these numbers are far apart, that helps explain of why our days on market get extended: the reality of the market, in relation to the price of the house on the market, is not correlating.’

So lower your prices you greedy sellers, I’ve got bills to pay. And this:

‘Sellers need to understand the market we are sitting in. The reality of our area is that our market is still moving, just not as fast and not for as much as it was last year. Sellers need to have a clear understanding of how this all works and how it affects them. A seller will need to be better in either price or attributes if you want to move your home.’

‘our market is still moving, just not as fast and not for as much as it was last year’

You mean when the mining was a boom, and now it’s not?

‘The trickle impact to our area has been significant, for every person employed by the mines there are several more indirectly affected’

Funny how that works.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 06:48:34

We now know why az dude needs money ideas this Christmas:

ETF Investors Have Spent $24 Billion Trying to Call a Bottom in Oil

Comment by bink
2015-12-21 07:10:40

The market can stay irrational longer than certain blog posters can stay sane.

Comment by Ben Jones
2015-12-21 07:22:50

Comment by azdude
2015-12-20

city of maricopa? It is booming down there. I love the wildhorse pass casino. You cant go wrong buying there.

Comment by azdude
2015-12-21

Professor Bear, I’m standing at the roulette table with my iPad. I need to know, red or black? RED OR BLACK?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 08:29:19

The Insane Poet

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Comment by 2banana
2015-12-21 07:22:33

VDE is going on my watch list…

Comment by Jingle Male
2015-12-21 10:04:50

Great Idea 2B. Down from $143 to $81 in 20 months! Might be priced about right by June 2016…..

 
 
 
Comment by rj chicago
2015-12-21 08:25:34

An old proverb -
When your outgo is greater than your income - you gotta problem.

Merry Christmas.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 08:26:49

“Crude Plunges To $33″

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-21/wti-crude-plunges-33-handle-ahead-futures-expiration

Remember…. Nothing accelerates the economy like falling oil and housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels. Nothing.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2015-12-21 08:39:08

Ben, I don’t know if you digested this one over the weekend for the blog, but it had me laughing out loud at breakfast on Saturday morning. Chinese all-cash investors in Tampa Bay!
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“Since March 2014, entrepreneur Bo Wu and limited liability companies connected to him have paid cash for at least 37 properties in Tampa, Brandon, St. Petersburg and other parts of the bay area. Most of the transactions happened this year, including the $2 million-plus purchase in October of a gulf-front motel on Treasure Island.

Records show that Wu bought, then resold several houses in Hillsborough County to residents of Beijing, Hong Kong and other Chinese cities.

This year, Wu turned his attention to Pinellas County. Since April, he has paid $4.7 million in cash for properties, mostly in areas close to downtown St. Petersburg. Among his acquisitions are four buildable lots on Masssachusetts Avenue NE in Shore Acres that he bought for $389,000 from Thomas Rinda and his wife.

“Wu was never visible; I don’t think he ever drove by,” Rinda said. “He may have done all this from the Internet.”

After months with no interest in the property, Rinda was surprised to get a full-price offer for his Spanish-style home and pool, which straddle two lots, and the two vacant adjacent lots.”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/chinese-investors-target-tampa-bay-real-estate/2258357

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-12-21 08:51:37

Littleton, CO Housing Craters; Prices Crash 25% YoY As Housing Correction Sets In

http://www.movoto.com/littleton-co/market-trends/

Comment by doom
2015-12-21 14:29:16

No surprise, it is the Denver Real Estate market, like the weather there, always something happening, not for the faint of heart?

 
Comment by taxpayers
2015-12-21 18:46:08

Cartman lives there

Any interest rate predictions for 2016 ?

 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 08:58:08

“Five years after landing that bargain, Fischbach sold the home this summer for barely more than he paid. ‘We tried to wait the market out, but it didn’t exactly happen that way,’ Fischbach said. ‘It became pretty clear that it wasn’t going up any time soon. It was surprising.’”

Other than the fact this idiot is from CA, I cannot find a reason why someone would be so foolish to think they’d sell an item for more than the retail +120% price they themselves paid.

Anyone else?

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2015-12-21 09:08:49

Brisbane, CA Housing Craters; Prices Plunge 10% As Inventory Balloons 150%

http://www.movoto.com/brisbane-ca/market-trends/

 
Comment by cactus
2015-12-21 10:54:17

My ex-landlord has the “dream house” up for sale

6787 Chapman Pl 93021

Property manager calls me saying the landlord is moving from Texas to start their life in the dream house so get out in 60 days.

Dream house I wonder if they will get their price ? Over 500K for a duplex

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 10:59:32

$100k worth of used materials and dirt there.

 
Comment by oxide
2015-12-21 15:23:21

Wait, so he’s asking you to get out? Or did you get out long ago?

Why are there stepping stones leading to a hole in the bushes? Does something live in there and come to the house to use the shower?

Comment by cactus
2015-12-21 18:01:04

Wait, so he’s asking you to get out? Or did you get out long ago?”

I got out in 2012 because the owner wanted to move in they were from Texas. I noticed it for sale a few days ago.

Why are there stepping stones leading to a hole in the bushes”

Typical rental I’ve been in worse. The rental next door was a a dog rescue must of had 15 dogs in and out of the place. I even saw them on the roof the dogs.

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2015-12-21 14:20:04

Is the drought over in CA / will it ever be over ?

Winter storm bringing heavy rain, mountain snow to Pacific Northwest,

Comment by rms
2015-12-21 23:52:56

“…mountain snow to Pacific Northwest…”

Yep… snow, ice and freezing rain up here in the Columbia Basin.

 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 18:29:00

US Homeownership Rate Falls To 30 Year Low

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/07/homeownership%20rate%20Q2%202015.jpg

And it’s going to keep falling until housing prices fall to their long term trend line. Slash the price 50%+ or hold onto that melting ice cube.

 
Comment by michael
2015-12-21 21:25:45

Cactus,

We are getting plenty of rain in northern California.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2015-12-21 21:29:41

And glowing in the dark from Fukushima radiation.

 
 
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