The Volume Of Price Corrections Is Impressive
A report from Bloomberg. “U.S. apartment vacancies rose in the fourth quarter as a construction surge in pricier urban locations overshadowed rising demand for older properties in the suburbs, Reis Inc. said. Vacancies rose from the previous three months for a second straight quarter — the first time that’s happened since 2009. The surge in apartment construction since the recession has been largely confined to Class A properties, typically buildings close to city centers aimed at high-income professionals. ‘It’s taking a lot longer for new projects to lease up,’ Ryan Severino, a senior economist at Reis, said in a phone interview. ‘Vacancies are rising predominantly because a lot of shiny, sexy new Class A projects are having a harder time leasing up relative to a few years ago.’”
“Reis has recorded zero completions of new Class B and C apartments since 2012, following the addition of about 44,000 units from 2007 to 2011. Developers have delivered almost 1 million new Class A units since the beginning of 2007, according to the firm. ‘Eventually, rising vacancy rates will take the wind out of landlords’ sails and remove some of their ability to keep pushing rent growth at such a febrile pace,’ Severino said.”
New York Magazine. “The median price of a Manhattan apartment has jumped 17.3 percent from the previous year, to $1.15 million, according to the Douglas Elliman report written by Jonathan Miller — the highest it has ever been. The average price now stands at $1,948,221. It’s a marked difference from the summer, when experts began to manage the expectations of real-estate watchers. Bess Freedman of Brown Harris Stevens spoke of a developing stalemate between sellers, some of whom were getting too demanding, and buyers, who were growing tired of their powerlessness. ‘They’re just not in sync,’ she told New York back then. ‘Sellers have these unrealistic expectations … and buyers are unwilling to pay these really expensive prices.’”
“Apparently some of those sellers started listening. ‘Being smart about pricing is key. You saw that this quarter more so than any other time,’ says Diane Ramirez, CEO of Halstead Property, explaining that she saw more discounts this quarter. ‘Seven hundred apartments had price adjustments; some were small, but [the attitude] was ‘let’s get our listings sold.’ That’s what you need to keep buyers interested.’ (Leonard Steinberg, president of the brokerage Compass, adds in an email newsletter sent yesterday that ‘many agents and sellers of unrealistically priced properties [adjusted] their expectations … The volume of price corrections is impressive.’)”
The Orange County Register in California. “ReportsOnHousing.com’s first tally of the New Year for Orange County home listings shows the seasonal slowdown in selling speed was more pronounced for housing’s upper crust. It took 3.9 times longer to sell an Orange County home priced above $1 million than a cheaper residence as of Thursday – vs. six months earlier when it took 3.3 times longer to sell at the market’s high end. New escrows involving homes listed under $1 million totaled 1,445 as of last Thursday, down 41 percent from six months earlier. But at $1 million or more, the 194 new escrows were off 53 percent from six months earlier.”
“These supply-and-demand forces put ‘market time’ for homes listed under $1 million at 60 days as of last Thursday vs. 50 in July. Above $1 million, market time was 235 days last Thursday vs. 163 six months ago.”
The Denver Post in Colorado. “Metro Denver’s housing market had a record year in 2015, but it also showed signs of exhaustion in the final month, according to a report from the Denver Metro Association of Realtors. ‘December proved to be a great month for home buyers who were able to snatch up previously overpriced listings by making offers without competing offers, and without the same sense of urgency as in previous months,’ the report said.”
The Houston Business Journal in Texas. “During the energy boom, Houston homebuilders were often squeezed out by contractors, who were able to make more money working on larger luxury apartment projects. However, with dozens of new multifamily projects stalled during the oil downturn, labor has become more plentiful and cheaper for homebuilders in the Bayou City.”
“As the multifamily industry reels from low oil prices and oversupply in some neighborhoods, as many as 70 planned apartment deals have been stalled. There’s another upside for homebuilders during the oil slump: Construction costs are starting to come down as well. Although concrete and sheetrock is still stubbornly high, lumber prices are decreasing, said Richard Mazzarino, president of Mazzarino Construction and Development Ltd. ‘The cost of building is going down, and hopefully, the cost of land will, too,’ Mazzarino said. ‘The economy has been white hot for so long that materials, labor and land prices went through the roof.’”
USA Today on Nevada. “I used to think of foreclosure as chillingly final. Then I visited Las Vegas, where the slow unspooling of the great housing crash of 2007-2009 is affording free shelter to tens of thousands of people. Most are living in homes they technically still own, but on which they haven’t made a mortgage payment in months or years; others are squatting illegally in homes that were abandoned by owners who defaulted on mortgages. These homes are in real estate limbo — in foreclosure, but not actually foreclosed — because many lenders are taking their time completing the process that eventually leads to repossession and resale.”
“Jeremy Aguero, a real estate analyst, estimates there are as many as 20,000 such ’strategic squatters’ in the region. ‘Everyone here knows someone in a house who’s not paying their mortgage,’ says Dennis Smith, a housing consultant. He says a few even brag about it, ‘depending on how much they’ve had to drink.’ Mark Rowley, a small-home builder, says he knows about two dozen people who’ve been in their homes for more than two years, despite having stopped mortgage payments. Their attitude, he says: ‘We’ll move when the paperwork finally comes through.’”
“Strategic squatting invites top-this stories. At a housing conference this fall, Tisha Black-Chernine, a real estate attorney, said she had clients who’d gone seven or eight years without making mortgage payments on homes, including two worth around $5 million. Rowley recently had a beer with a guy who said he’d been living in a 10,000-square-foot house since 2008 without making a payment.”
When the owners of all those new Class A apartments, or their successors after foreclosure and workout or sale, reduce their rents to fill the buildings, some existing Class A apartments will be magically turned into Class B.
The question is whether enough new supply has been created in the limited number of metros where young people are moving to reduce their cost of living. Available housing in Dayton doesn’t solve their problem.
With dark empty towers in Manhattan and 25 million excess empty and defaulted houses in the US, I’d say there is plenty of supply.
‘Reis has recorded zero completions of new Class B and C apartments since 2012, following the addition of about 44,000 units from 2007 to 2011. Developers have delivered almost 1 million new Class A units since the beginning of 2007, according to the firm.’
Zero B and C units since 2012, but a million of the most expensive. Think about that. Oh what a great job our government does to help the poor!
ZERO B AND C UNITS!!!
And this article doesn’t even touch what I’ve documented in the past; huge numbers of lower rent apartments sold, evict the tenants, slap on some do-dads and raise the rent 30 or 50 %.
It’s a hotel boom too. Over 400,000 rooms under construction nationwide.
http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/article87028.html
A couple of years ago the craze here in backwater was conversion of obsolete commercial buildings to luxury condos. That seems to be over. New hotel construction is astronomical. Nothing going on economically around here to suggest we actually need any of these hotels.
And senior housing/assisted living is already foundering.
^Theres a herd of that stuff out there and a bigger herd of it going up right now. It’s massive.
My understanding is that hotel occupancy is at an all-time high. That always brings new development.
long island city….hotels galore……
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20140615/HOSPITALITY_TOURISM/140619915/who-needs-manhattan-queens-hotels-boom
And many of those units are only being built because the developer can sell the properties at a 5% cap (or lower).
If yields were higher (and historically they should be 6%+, and even 7%+), the values of these apartments would be much lower and their development wouldn’t be justified unless construction costs were way lower (or land values were way lower).
In some places, land values could stand to fall a long way before land sellers wouldn’t sell. However, in outlying areas, land values wouldn’t need to fall very far before the landowners would simply refuse to sell (because a more valuable use would be something else).
Given the fact that there is a globe full of land where 95% goes undeveloped and land essentially worthless dirt, they’d best dump it for what they can fetch…. and it won’t fetch much even under the best of conditions.
That’s why it wasn’t a big surprise when the LIC Partnership announced in April 2015 that 22,500 total apartment units are currently either planned or under construction in the area. And as the LIC Post reports, that number does not include the 8,600 apartments that became available in the neighborhood since 2006.
http://www.newyork.com/articles/real-estate/long-island-city-is-growing-at-hyper-speed-97894/
I was able to negotiate a substantial rent decrease for my most recent lease renewal. $200 a month off their first offer. $600 a month off what the property manager described as “market rate.” $50 to $100 a month (building switched to tenants paying proportional share of heat/electricity/water/sewer, so that will vary from month to month) less than I was paying on the old lease.
I gave her a bit of a lecture about the real meaning of market rate when she tried to say I was already below market, but that was all in good fun. The trick was getting out of the office of the young guy who was all bluster and no authority and getting to the office of the older woman who actually had the authority to offer me a concession.
I’m pretty sure my building is considered B class despite the superb location and large apartments. We have a gym and a rooftop pool, but no screening room or party facilities or web café with Wi-Fi.
Interesting Polly. Nice work. I don’t see that approach very often, much less having success.
“Most are living in homes they technically still own, but on which they haven’t made a mortgage payment in months or years;”
This is underreported and understated deliberately.
How many millions of non-paying occupants are there in CA alone? 2 million? 4 million? 6 million?
“Most are living in homes they technically still own, but on which they haven’t made a mortgage payment in months or years;”
Correction: “Most are living in homes THE LENDER OWNS, but on which they haven’t made a mortgage payment in months or years.”
The banks are then still paying the RE taxes or the houses would have gone Sherriff’s Sale long ago. Wholesale balance sheet fraud continues after at least 8 years. That’s the kind of recovery we’ve had.
recubbery summah,yo
The banks are then still paying the RE taxes or the houses would have gone Sherriff’s Sale long ago.
My guess: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are paying the RE taxes; the banks are just sucking at the teat, pocketing all of the “servicing” fees that they can while not performing the one service that obviously needs to be performed (completing foreclosure).
I suspect a Freedom of Information request to Mel Watts and Fannie/Freddie regarding foreclosure policy discussions with the banks could provide for some interesting reading…
We bankers and our bought-and-paid-for MSM both have an interest in keeping the RE industry up and running (read: pricy) so don’t expect many unfavorable (read: accurate and honest) articles to be written against RE.
At least not in the local RE market; Step beyond a RE market’s boundaries a bit and a bit of the ugly truth just might be revealed.
You’re right. Can’t find a negative assessment of real estate in the newspapers:
Washington Post:
2016 could be a great year for owners, not for renters. (Big Stock)
By Mark Zandi January 7 at 7:00 AM
We all have a big financial stake in housing — as homeowners, renters, landlords and/or taxpayers.
Let’s consider the major macroeconomic trends in 2016 that will significantly impact those stakes.
● Homeowners should enjoy another year of solid gains in house prices. Prices have been moving steadily higher since the housing bust hit bottom four years ago and should post another gain in the middle single digits. With a bit of luck, prices nationwide could reach close to the all-time peaks seen in the housing bubble a decade ago.
This time, however, house prices are on very solid foundations; they are supported by homeowners’ incomes. In the bubble, too many of us got into homes we couldn’t afford by committing to mortgages that made no financial sense. Of course, millions defaulted on these loans, resulting in the financial crisis and the Great Recession.
No one is getting crazy mortgages today. Regulatory changes in the wake of the crisis and chastened (thus much more cautious) mortgage lenders make that all but impossible.
Zandi is the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics
I’m sure it’s the underwater ones. The ones that could sell — the banks would probably push them out and sell?
If you paid in excess of $50/sq ft, you’re underwater.
“This is underreported and understated deliberately.”
A friend’s sister lives on the water’s edge at Discovery Bay, CA for only $500/month in a zombie foreclosure. The prick who bought it surely spends the $500 on meals and drinks. This has been going on for years, not months.
I’ve got a buddy who has been squatting for seven years. He’s got a great lawyer. That’s about to come to an end, though.
Back around 2009 the Tampa Bay Times had a story on some guy, a former trader with a now-defunct bucket shop stock brokerage, who had stopped paying the mortgage on his $1 million house. Over a year had passed, with no action. He was completely unrepentant and even bragging about it.
You play fair, you lose. Corruption is an indespensable component of success in 2016.
Time to face the facts.
Gotta love programs like CNBC, oil collaspe means nothing, housing slow down is good, China stock market not really serious, pay stagnant is good for companies, buy stocks losing their shirts, doesn’t matter we owe China trillions of dollars.
This is why these folks are like people who live in a trailer and the Tornado is 2 miles away and they put coffee on, light up, and say to themselves, what a great day is ahead of us?
Strange indeed considering nothing accelerates the economy like falling prices of all items including houses and oil.
My favorite phrases are “stubbornly low inflation” and “moderate al-Queda rebels.” Apparently the view is that, with enough money and repetition, we’re so dumb that anything can be rebranded into a political consensus.
Well….. Do you really believe wages and salaries will magically triple or quadruple to meet grossly inflated asking prices?
Of course not. Prices will continue falling until they meet wages. That’s why demand is cratering.
But the guest Washington Post column by Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics says 2016 should be a great year for Sellers and Landlords.
“Home-buyers have to grapple with the higher prices and lack of inventory, but they should benefit from an improving job market, continued low mortgage rates and easier credit. With the economy set to achieve full employment in coming months, the so-far lackluster wage growth is picking up. Fixed mortgage rates are unlikely to stay below 4 percent for much longer, but they don’t appear set to rise sharply either.”
Just how “great” will it with housing demand collapsing?
US Housing Demand Plummets To 20 Year Low
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yX5B5Hn95bQ/VYC3Wr6ihBI/AAAAAAAAj7I/alOslZa-cK8/s1600/MBAJune172015.PNG
2016 DEFEATS HILLARY!
Good times or bad, Hillaryous is unelectable.
‘As the multifamily industry reels from low oil prices and oversupply in some neighborhoods, as many as 70 planned apartment deals have been stalled.’
70 apartment complexes? what’s that 7,000 units?
I wonder how many hundreds of millions (or more) have been squandered in these complexes alone? Hey Mel, your zipper is down. MADE YOU LOOK!
Probably more like 14,000+.
Most of the deals that are built today want a critical mass of a couple of hundred units at least to be able to justify the expense of the pool, gym, and other amenities.
‘December proved to be a great month for home buyers who were able to snatch up previously overpriced listings’
Yet the media will still shout that Denver is going up to the moon.
Peyton is back in the saddle. A sigh of relief is heard across the Mile High City. All is well.
….a cloud of relief hands above the mile high…..hmmm…..hangs above the high city.
he’d been living in a 10,000-square-foot house since 2008 without making a payment.”
= taxpayers making the payment via fed ease , HARP etc
He still has to pay his utilities. The bank is probably paying the property taxes.
I’ve seen this happen in my area as well, although not for that long of a time period.
How many excess empty and defaulted houses are there in WA and OR? 1 million? 2 million? 4 million?
HA! The total population of Oregon is $4,000,000. Use some analysis! HA, Ha, ha! Oops.
Jingle Fraud,
You’ve got your characters mixed up again.
‘New escrows involving homes listed under $1 million totaled 1,445 as of last Thursday, down 41 percent from six months earlier. But at $1 million or more, the 194 new escrows were off 53 percent from six months earlier. These supply-and-demand forces put ‘market time’ for homes listed under $1 million at 60 days as of last Thursday vs. 50 in July. Above $1 million, market time was 235 days last Thursday vs. 163 six months ago.’
Sounds like they’ve run out of Chinese buyers.
‘Elderly investors groused about who to blame for falling share prices, played cards and drank tea in the public trading halls of Beijing and Shanghai stock brokerages as they clustered beneath frozen or blank screens.’
“It’s good for us to get together and complain together,” said an investor who gave his surname as Feng but preferred to go by “a heartbroken Chinese investor”.
‘Back at Dongzhimen, some punters talked investment strategy. “I’m going to take everything out tomorrow,” said one. Terrible idea, replied his interlocutor: “People like you are causing the market to drop so fast.”
“Could it have anything to do with the devaluation?” hazarded another. “Definitely not,” came the response. “This has nothing to do with the value of the Renminbi.”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-investors-bicker-play-cards-110324132.html
Does anyone remember how the Chinese government completely contrived this stock bubble to shore up their broke state-owned corporations? And now they stand around sucking their thumb wondering what happened to their money.
“Over 20 retirees milled around the communal hall before the large blank screen that would normally carry prices. Most stayed to finish their packed lunches or to play lively games of cards anyway. ‘We are retired. What else do we have to do?’ asked one.”
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Uh … do something other than gamble your life savings in a rigged and opaque market? I would say go outside and get some fresh air, but China doesn’t believe in fresh air.
“We are dealing with a flood of angry phone calls from clients complaining about the market plunge and the circuit breaker,” said Wei Wei, an analyst at Huaxi Securities in Shanghai. “We are also feeling at a loss and confused today as we didn’t quite figure out what was going on in the market.”
‘Some investors had no choice but to sell on Thursday. Take Chen Gang, who helps oversee the equivalent of $46 million as the chief investment officer at Shanghai Heqi Tongyi Asset Management Co. Chen dumped his firm’s equity holdings and said he won’t get back into the market until regulators improve the circuit breaker system. Many private funds and hedge funds in China have agreements with investors spelling out mandatory liquidation levels if their holdings drop below a certain value.’
“This is insane,” Chen said in an interview on Thursday. “We were forced to liquidate all our holdings this morning.”
‘Some other managers couldn’t sell fast enough. Jiao Ji, whose hedge funds averaged a 61 percent return during the $5 trillion summer rout after he sold out before the crash, said the trading halts came so quickly that he didn’t have time to unload his holdings this time.’
“It was quite abrupt on Monday, and it’s even more abrupt today,” said Jiao, the chairman of Sunrise Investment, based in northeastern China’s Jilin province. “There’s not even a chance for a rebound.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/china-s-29-minutes-of-chaos-stunned-brokers-and-a-race-to-sell
Stamp your little feet gamblers! Squeal!
“We are also feeling at a loss and confused today as we didn’t quite figure out what was going on in the market.”
Hate it when that circuit beaker doesn’t work.
a real estate attorney, said she had clients who’d gone seven or eight years without making mortgage payments on homes, including two worth around $5 million. Rowley recently had a beer with a guy who said he’d been living in a 10,000-square-foot house since 2008 without making a payment.” ??
Who said renting was better than owning ?? Seems like this homeowner has done quite well over the past 8 years…Certainly has done better than moving out and paying rent….
This is what happens when the government steps in and protects all the lenders….To big to fail at the expense of the to small to care about….
When your entire state is a huge welfare operation, why pay for anything at all?
“When your entire state is a huge welfare operation, why pay for anything at all?”
+1 The Big Short and a sentence or two about Californians and their apathy regarding over-spending and debt.
‘this homeowner has done quite well’
Ah, the phoney war of renting versus owning. What has happened here? Somebody has lost a lot of money and continues to lose money. What sort of upkeep do you think 20,000 squatters are doing? How many are paying the HOA fees, how much higher are prices and rents being paid by everyone else as this inventory is held in the shadows? How many new houses are being built that are unneeded?
The total shadow inventory in LV has been estimated at 40,000 to 50,000 units. How could such a number not be called to bank regulators attention? How many banks would fail capitalization requirements if the financials had to reflect the truth?
I thought of another one; as house prices are higher than they should be, how many loans made the past few years will be defaulted on? Manipulation, as the Chinese are finding out, can be done. But it unwinds in various uncontrollable ways.
how much higher are prices and rents being paid by everyone else as this inventory is held in the shadows ?? How many banks would fail capitalization requirements if the financials had to reflect the truth ?
Exactly my point…The regulators gave the banks the get out of jail card 6 years ago by abandoning mark-to-market….Since then not much has changed….They sit, & sit..In the mean time most are either paying a mortgage or rent although one is living in moms basement while many others just ride the wave of free housing…8 years of free rent….Thats a pretty dam good windfall…
“Since then not much has changed”
Except for the excess, empty and defaulted housing inventory rising to 25 million.
Post a link.
It’s been posted and discussed ad nauseum. You just don’t like the reality of it my friend.
The article points out there’s a big squatting movement out there. This lowers returns for legitimate landlords and results in more damage to the collateral. How many pension funds are being harmed? I know everyone wants to focus on the individuals getting something for nothing; even the writer. But what they are getting is coming out of someones hide. Plus, how would one like to live next to unaccountable Las Vegas squatters? People that would do that might help themselves to the neighbors widescreen TV when they are off to work.
I bet you these guys are still deducting mortgage interest from their taxes! lol
2016 DEFEATS HILLARY!
Encino, CA Housing Craters; Prices Plunge 6% YoY As Demand Plummets
http://www.zillow.com/encino-los-angeles-ca/home-values/
Houston - we have a problem……
Housing to follow……
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/These-Shale-Drillers-Could-Soon-Default-As-Credit-Options-Run-Out.html
I talked to a guy the other day who used to work in Oil/Gas. He’s based in TX.
Basically, he said that there are a lot of folks who claim that Houston is now more diversified than prior oil busts, and so it won’t be as bad.
He doesn’t believe it and expects BKs to ramp up considerably after hedges burn off in early 2016.
Pain is on the way.
Dallas TX Housing Market Craters; Prices Plunge 19% As Housing Demand Evaporates
http://www.zillow.com/north-dallas-dallas-tx/home-values/
so cold it’s off the thermometer (zillowmometor) - why the ^+% prediction?
Why buy today what you can buy later for 65% less?
Excuse me.. the forecast for 2016 is 6.5% up up
But the prices are falling falling falling.
Copper Craters Through 2009 Floor
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-07/copper-futures-crash-below-2-first-time-2009
Broke $2.00. The previous year it was $1.40. Prior to 2013 it was 70c. I’m thinking that there is tremendous surplus as in just about everything. It has another 50% to fall, and more likely 75%.
We never did hear about how all those bad loans on copper that was not in the warehouse in China got resolved.
Oops, prior to 2003.
$1.40 in 2008 after the first global hiccup.
“This Is The Dow’s Worst Start To The Year… Ever”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-07/dows-worst-start-year-ever
….. spinnin’ wheel got to go ’round.
check it out.
the free stuff is here.
http://imgur.com/Ys5k4WA
“The real estate industry is not just full of poorly behaved,
rude unethical sales people!”
It seems almost funny how realtors perceive their relations. Do you really believe them? I do, but it is just because they became polished after years of big earnings. But the party is coming to its end…
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ - 235k -