Looking For A Real Estate Steal
A report from the Boston Globe in Massachusetts. “The rental market in Greater Boston may be topping out over the next few years, according to a forecast this week from online real estate marketplace Ten-X. The report is the latest sign that Boston’s rental market may be plateauing, especially at the high end. New buildings that have opened lately have been offering concessions such as a free month’s rent to woo tenants in a suddenly competitive market for luxury apartments. ‘It’s a classic supply-and-demand scenario,’ said Rick Sharga, Ten-X spokesman and a longtime observer of the real estate market.”
From Forbes. “By Forbes’ count, some two dozen mega-mansions, luxury penthouses, and speculative residences were priced to sell at $100 million or more during the housing recovery. But only a handful of these homes–four that we know of–have actually sold for a nine-figure sum. The remaining $100-million-plus listings have been price-chopped, pulled from the market, or left with ambitious price tags in place. The quiet disappearance of many of these mega-priced listings from the market underscores what most brokers have known all along: there is no $100 million housing market.”
“Now there are plenty of signs that the luxury market has cooled off–and not just at the $100 million price point. In Manhattan, where so many luxury towers are in the pipeline that there is now a glut of supply. In Miami, sales slowed last year, according to Douglas Elliman’s latest market report, with the absorption rate (the number of months it would take to sell all listings) rising to 18.3 from 11.3 months a year earlier. ‘I think the peak buying period has already passed us in South Florida,’ says Peter Zalewski, who owns CraneSpotters, adding of the high-end market: ‘It’s effectively dead on arrival.’”
The New York Times. “It is a scene playing out across the Midwest and the South, where many of the derelict houses have been sold to private investors by government mortgage firms at knockdown prices. Nationwide, more than three million people are estimated to have bought a home through a contract for deed. After the financial crisis, as banks retreated from lending to those with poor credit, this odd corner of the housing market began to draw interest from deep-pocketed investors who sometimes sell the homes for four times the price they paid.”
“Now, complaints are piling up in cities across the country, according to dozens of court records reviewed by The New York Times, as well as interviews with housing lawyers and home buyers in Ohio, Michigan and Minnesota. Kevin Franklyn, 46, of Detroit said he struggled with making repairs on a $44,925 Harbour house in 2011. After falling behind on the payments, he recently agreed to forfeit the contract to the house. The roof, plumbing, electrical system and drywall all needed serious repairs, he said. His fiancée, Lisa Micou, 46, said the home was in greater disrepair than the couple had anticipated. ‘Everybody wants that part of the American dream — everyone wants a piece of that pie,’ she said.”
From Crain’s Detroit in Michigan. “Overseas investors have cooled on buying distressed homes in Detroit after a pair of alleged scams targeting thousands of properties. The alleged scams involved homes purchased for as little as $500, in many cases through Wayne County tax auctions, according to property and federal court records. The properties then were flipped, in one case for as much as $15,000, to investors duped into buying what they believed were bank-foreclosed homes for more than fair market value, court records say.”
“Many victims were left with virtually worthless property saddled with back taxes, liens and blight notices, prosecutors said. One investor lost almost $1 million. ‘Things have cooled,’ said Darin McLeskey, managing partner of Detroit-based Denovo Real Estate, who is helping foreign buyers salvage investments in Detroit homes. ‘A lot of buyers are going down in flames, asking for help.’”
“Hong Kong banker Nelly Roquefort paid $49,500 to a Metro affiliate for a colonial on the city’s west side in May 2012. Months earlier, the Dearborn affiliate had purchased the home from the Wayne County tax auction for $6,901. Roquefort stopped receiving rent payments last year. When rent was paid, it never covered alleged repair bills, Roquefort said. After contacting a real estate agent to dispose of the property, Roquefort discovered the home was stripped and rendered almost unsellable. Roquefort unloaded the home for $20,000 in July. ‘Definitely not going to invest in Detroit ever again, like a lot of foreign investors, I suspect,’ Roquefort wrote in an email.”
“Steve Graysmark, a retired London police officer, says he lost about $130,000 after buying six homes from Metro, lured by the prospect of profiting from Detroit’s rebirth. Graysmark, 55, said he is preparing a lawsuit along with nine other investors. ‘It was a very stupid purchase,’ he wrote in an email to Crain’s. ‘I did get someone to look at the properties before I bought them but they looked at them and said they were OK. However, they were not.’”
CNN Money on Puerto Rico. “Looking for a real estate steal? Try Puerto Rico. And it’s a buyer’s market right now. You can get a 3-bedroom home near the beach for under $100,000. So what’s the catch? For sale signs are everywhere in Puerto Rico. People are fleeing the island because it’s been in a prolonged economic crisis. The situation is reminiscent of what Detroit was like when it filed for bankruptcy in 2013.”
“‘So many houses are empty here,’ says Joaquin Garcia de la Noceda, a locksmith in San Juan, the island’s capital. Joaquin listed his 96-year-old mother’s home in San Juan for $100,000. Hardly anyone looks at it even though it’s in San Juan and has three bedrooms and two bathrooms. The home is one of many bargains in Puerto Rico. It was appraised at $215,000 not long ago, and his mom paid $177,000 for it in 2009.”
“The island has lost over 10% of its population — roughly 440,000 people — in the past decade. Since Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, many are simply packing up and moving to Florida, Texas and other states. ‘People are literally leaving their homes empty with the keys in the house,’ says retiree Maria Milagros Rodriquez. They let the bank deal with it.”
“Maria owns a gated home in San Juan with a big garage and yard teeming with flowers. Homes on her block sold for over $1 million only a few years ago. Now people are lucky to get $400,000. The plight is evident on Maria’s block. The home next to hers is empty and she knows of two other vacant properties a few houses down. There are no ‘for sale’ signs yet because most of the homes are in the process of being repossessed by their banks.”
‘New buildings that have opened lately have been offering concessions…in a suddenly competitive market for luxury apartments’….listings have been price-chopped, pulled from the market…so many luxury towers are in the pipeline that there is now a glut of supply…the absorption rate rising to 18.3 from 11.3 months a year earlier….of the high-end market: ‘It’s effectively dead on arrival..
Wow, and not that long ago it was multiple offers, bidding over asking. With this suddenly competitive situation, that recent activity looks kinda crazy in retrospect.
That is how it always seems to go. A period of silly price jumps and bidding wars and then everyone starts piling on and then it crashes back down. It then takes years to clear out to normal levels again.
He paid $44,000 in a contract for deed (option to purchase)
“…. he recently agreed to forfeit the contract to the house. The roof, plumbing, electrical system and drywall all needed serious repairs,”
Why hasn’t someone on this HB Blog warned us houses depreciate? Why, I bet you could build a whole new house for less money. HA, Ha?
‘Nationwide, more than three million people are estimated to have bought a home through a contract for deed. After the financial crisis, as banks retreated from lending to those with poor credit, this odd corner of the housing market began to draw interest from deep-pocketed investors who sometimes sell the homes for four times the price they paid.’
Haven’t you been saying there’s no fraud in the housing market and no subprime loans being made? Is 3 million a lot?
‘Steve Graysmark, a retired London police officer, says he lost about $130,000 after buying six homes from Metro, lured by the prospect of profiting from Detroit’s rebirth ‘It was a very stupid purchase,’ he wrote’
I agree three million is a lot, since only 5 million houses a year.
Note the article says “odd corner of the housing market” & “deep pocketed investors”. This is not mainstream America. It is candidates for Darwin awards. Anyone buying SFR rental properties more than 15 miles from their home base is foolish, in my opinion. I cannot really comment on what happens in Michigan, only northern California.
I will say this, the market in CA is pretty tight. The building supply is not keeping up with demand for many reasons: tighter lending, hesitant builders, high prices, government restrictions, etc.
In 2005, 6, & 7, I witnessed flippers buying 2-10 houses at at time for bubble prices with “owner-occupied” 80-20 subprime 100% financing and then selling them back and forth to straw buyers pulling out $200,000 on each transaction. That is not happening today. 99% of all transactions I see today (from afar, as I am not in the industry) are real qualified buyers with repayment ability. Northern CA may have lofty prices, but we will not see wholesale subdivision foreclosures of ‘flipper buyers”, because that is not happening today. That is the big difference from 2007.
With 4.4 million excess empty and defaulted houses in CA and housing demand at 30 year lows, there is plenty of supply.
Sacramento, CA Housing Prices Crater 7% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/west-sacramento-ca/home-values/
“Note the article says “odd corner of the housing market” & “deep pocketed investors”. This is not mainstream America.”
The ‘deep pocketed investors’ are the flippers. The ones who buy under the contracts for deed the article is talking about are relatively poor and simple.
You are deliberately misinterpreting what the article is talking about.
I agree with you that the deep pocketed investors are the flippers.
You missed my point: This is not a “mainstream” program. It is for dirt bag properties no one wants in the rust belts. They buy them for $500 tax sales and off them to a future FB.
Fraud is widespread and miles deep my friend.
How many millions of mortgages were made on fraudulent appraisals and fraudulent mortgages in the past 6 years? 10 million? 20 million?
‘Everybody wants that part of the American dream — everyone wants a piece of that pie,’ she said.”
Everyone wants to buy a falling apart crack shack saddled with massive back property taxes?
I would rather live in a tent.
Why hasn’t someone on this HB Blog warned us houses…
The word you’re looking for is “deteriorate.” And I think I said something about this.
That all those distressed sales were for distressed houses.
That HBB renters shouldn’t hold their breath for a quality house at foreclosure prices. Those all went in 2010, if not before.
That houses may sell for $50K below market but need $35K of repairs to be livable. And if a house is in an area of $70K houses, don’t bother.
That house prices were going to bifurcate into a bimodal curve depending on their condition. Low price high fixup, or low fixup high price.
That end consumer families don’t have the time, money, or energy to fix up a fixer-upper. Flipper/investors will fix-up, but charge a premium, making the house market value anyway.
That all those supposed houses that the baby boomers were going to leave to their kids will be practically worthless because they are small, seventies, suburban, and snowbound.
I said this years ago, and for my trouble I was donked daily.
HA. Donked Daily. A new mantra….have you had your daily donking yet? HA!
I’m expecting one any minute now, and it’s getting late. Time to put out some peanut butter:
No more cash in the trash!
My Zestimate is higher than I paid!
My bedroom is painted in a shade of pale eggplant, with a chartreuse accent wall!
New roof woooooo..
I will have a paid-off house when I retire!
I love my pride of home ownership and the feeling of community!
I’m gonna be rich!
These have indeed been interesting years. The consequences of a myriad of bad financial decisions by individuals, businesses and government around the world have yet to come home to roost.
Depreciate is the word you’re looking for my friends. Remember….. Houses are depreciating assets.
Robert Shiller: “Houses Depreciate”
http://www.pragcap.com/robert-shiller-dont-invest-in-housing/
$2-$3/sq ft/year depreciation adds up in a hurry doesn’t it.
“Hong Kong banker Nelly Roquefort paid $49,500 to a Metro affiliate…”
Whoa Nelly. When you get your salad tossed, at least you’ve already got the dressing, Mr. Roquefort!
Mr. Banker should be proud of his associate!
“Mr. Banker should be proud of his associate!”
In this case he wasn’t an associate, he was simply another mark.
It is ironic. When liberals/progressives and their public union goon minions get long term absolute power and institute every one of their liberals/progressives ideas, laws and taxes…no one actually wants to live where they rule (see PR, Detroit, Chicago, Newark, Philadelphia, Camden, Buffalo, etc.).
There is a reason why the ex USSR, North Korea, Pol Pot, etc. built walls to keep people IN.
“The island has lost over 10% of its population — roughly 440,000 people — in the past decade. Since Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, many are simply packing up and moving to Florida, Texas and other states. ‘People are literally leaving their homes empty with the keys in the house,’ says retiree Maria Milagros Rodriquez. They let the bank deal with it.”
governmentarians are not liberal
many are simply packing up and moving ??
Beautiful island…I lived there for awhile…
And look to where they are moving to…
Not Detroit, Chicago, Newark, Philadelphia, Camden, Buffalo, NY, CA, etc.
Many are likely going back to their native towns….When I was there, the predominate residents from the mainland where from the north east seaboard…
Yeah, no one wants to live in San Francisco…
“Looking for a real estate steal? Try Puerto Rico. And it’s a buyer’s market right now. You can get a 3-bedroom home near the beach for under $100,000.”
I know people with family there. It is an economic crisis that has become a government crisis — the government is left with stranded costs with no population and jobs left to fund them.
It can’t downsize fast enough to keep up, and probably has to go bankrupt. Not good for crime and police, among other things.
Despite the exodus, the island doesn’t have enough electricity, and the electric company is broke. Blackouts are frequent.
So you don’t just need a house. You need an alarm system, a neighborhood watch group, the means to defend yourself, and enough solar power equipment to live off the grid. And if you have kids, the ability to provide or pay for education.
I think their best hope is as a retirement destination for people from the Northeast, with jobs servicing the retirees. But that will require even lower prices.
Or how about Greece… true love for a bologna sandwich?
This company was posted in the comments recently:
American Homes 4 Rent (AMH) -NYSE 13.81
52wk Range: 13.16 - 17.39
EPS (ttm): -0.39
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=amh
Div & Yield: 0.20 (1.45%)
I must hand it to you Ben, you called this mess from the get go about hedge funds buying SFR houses.
I actually bought some CLNY stock early in their game plan, part of which was similar to AMH. Both stocks are down over 20% today. I sold the stock the week you pointed out CLNY was transferring all their houses to Starwood. It seems there was trouble in Denmark so to speak.
I got out whole with some nice dividends. It is just another reason to read the HBB everyday! Thank you, JM
I didn’t predict anything, I just observed. Like the fund that paid over-asking for the Sarasota house when they were the only bidder. Or the Inland Empire outfit that did the same because they owned a lot of houses in the area. But the cake taker was that in depth Ventura County Star report on Blackstone that laid out they were paying over asking on every house by design. We figured here at the time based on what they were doing their returns were likely less that 6% and that’s with no hiccups.
AMH’s price chart …
http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=AMH
….and Colony (CLNY)
http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=CLNY&ty=c&ta=1&p=d
next few years?”
it’s on dude-now
‘Overseas investors have cooled on buying distressed homes in Detroit after a pair of alleged scams targeting thousands of properties. The alleged scams involved homes purchased for as little as $500, in many cases through Wayne County tax auctions…The properties then were flipped, in one case for as much as $15,000, to investors duped into buying what they believed were bank-foreclosed homes for more than fair market value’
A couple of things; the house media has been crowing about this big resurgence in Detroit for a while. It had the “hottest” and biggest price increases for a while. And the article mentions they were telling these rubes - wait for it - that Chinese buyers were flocking in. But haven’t they been saying that about all the “hot” markets? Remember the Vancouver broker who got caught using Chinese employees to pose as potential condo buyers?
media has been crowing about this big resurgence in Detroit for a while ?
I have read over the last few years that downtown Detroit is humming…I am actually thinking of going there this summer and taking in a few Tiger baseball games…
In 2016, billionaires such as Dan Gilbert, who owns Bedrock Real Estate, and the Ilitch family will finalize plans for important new buildings on Woodward, the major strip that Gilbert and the Ilitches are reshaping now.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/real-estate/2016/01/08/development-boom-detroit/78447964/
Oxy pointed out that if you buy a house in Detroit for $1 and sell it for $2, you can call it a 100% return. It doesn’t make it a great deal, but it sells news articles.
And the article pointed out that the higher the price, the greater the fraud.
33 homes for sale in my zip,par is 50
Don’t tell HA,but we may be going up
Hilary coming hiring tons of gov workers
Dallas, TX Housing Market Craters; Prices Plummet 16% YoY On Ballooning Housing Inventory And Defaults
http://www.zillow.com/lake-highlands-dallas-tx/home-values/
Wasn’t it a Dallas magazine that had a cartoon picture of homeowners with wheel barrels full of money?
Washington, DC Real Estate and Homes for Sale-24,520
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Washington_DC/radius-20?pos=38.519863,-77.834888,39.316336,-76.539372
Washington, DC Price Reduced Homes for Sale-8,016
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Washington_DC/radius-20/show-price-reduced?pos=38.519863,-77.834888,39.316336,-76.539372
33% of DC area sellers slashed their price at least once
People are pricing about 10% over Zestimate and getting no nibbles. Once they bite the bullet and “slash” to the zestimate+2%, it sells in about 2 months. Viva my block.
Turn over is brisk in 22151 w low inventory
Are you sure?
Washington, DC Housing Prices Crater 16% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/adams-morgan-washington-dc/home-values/