Pretty Freaking Nuts To Survival Mode
The Washington Post reports on Canada. “The daughters of wealthy Chinese Canadians who star in the reality show the ‘Ultra Rich Asian Girls of Vancouver’ pursue modelling careers, carry Birkin bags, and sip on Veuve Cliquot. And they snap up million-dollar Vancouver homes with the same level of dedication that some of us use to shop for a new pair of shoes. ‘It’s not that expensive in Richmond,’ 24-year-old Chelsea Jiang told a local news channel shortly before beginning the show in 2014. Jiang, born in Ottawa, Canada, was looking to buy a single-family home in Richmond, part of the Vancouver metro area, in addition to a luxury condo she already owned. ‘It’s really cheap and I have a budget of $2 million.’”
“As Justin McElroy, a Canadian journalist, pointed out on Twitter, the average price of a Greater Vancouver home rose as much in the past six months as it did from 1980 to 2006. (When those figures are adjusted for inflation, the trend looks even crazier. In today’s Canadian dollars, the city’s housing prices grew by only roughly $150,000 between 1980 and 2006, but shot up by $375,000 in the last six months.)”
“Many experts are blaming the surge on an influx of cash from wealthy Chinese, who are rushing to send investments out of their country as its economy slows. A torrent of money historic in its proportions is currently flowing out of China, driven by expectations of a weaker Chinese currency and an effort to hedge investments against a weaker economy. The Institute of International Finance estimates that $676 billion of capital left China through official and unofficial channels in 2015. By some accounts, it is the biggest occurrence of capital flight in history.”
The Vancity Buzz. “Kitsilano real estate records were broken on Tuesday after a home sold for $735,000 over the asking price of $3.5 million. The house at 3555 West 1st Avenue was built in 1912, is 3,400 square feet and sits on a standard 33 x 120 foot lot without a view. The selling price of $4.23 million is about $1.6 million above the lot’s assessed property value. ‘For it to go over $4 million is remarkable. I had five offers,’ Brandan Price, the real estate agent who sold the house tells Vancity Buzz. ‘These were local buyers just looking to make a shift who wanted to move into this area.’”
“‘These prices are getting pretty freaking nuts in my opinion,’ Thomas Davidoff with UBC’s Sauder School of Business tells Vancity Buzz. Davidoff says purchasing a lot for that much money is only beneficial to the buyer if they plan on developing it. Buying that Kitsilano lot for $4.2 million, in his opinion, doesn’t make much sense. ‘As a proposition for someone who’s going to live in that house and what you’re getting for four million plus – that is a ridiculous joke and that is not something that’s going to work for people who just make a living in Vancouver.’”
“Davidoff says it’s impossible to pinpoint where Vancouver’s housing market is heading next, but the risks are astronomical. ‘The uncertainty around Vancouver’s housing market is huge. I believe prices are going to keep on rocking, but at this point we’re at huge risk of a collapse too,’ he says.”
From Metro News. “With migration to Alberta slowing and hundreds of rental units set to hit the Edmonton market, 2016 could be a good year for tenants and a tough one for landlords. In the downtown alone, hundreds of purpose built rental units have or will come on stream in 2016 — the first large-scale build of such units in decades. And the units are coming available just as the market is cooling, with vacancy rates doubling over the course of 2015, landing at 4.2 per cent at the end of the year.”
“Jandip Deol, who specializes in multi-family construction projects with Colliers International, a real estate firm, said the towers about to open were commissioned at a time when the Alberta economy was demanding them. ‘It’s something they already committed to two or three years ago when the oil price was so strong and there was a plethora of people moving in,’ he said. ‘It’s really hard to pull back now.’”
From Global News. “Sign a lease to rent one Calgary home, and a big screen 55-inch LED TV is yours to keep. It’s a growing trend Alberta landlords are being forced to keep up with in order to lure tenants. Gifts and free rent are now commonplace in ads, after a dramatic shift in the rental market since oil prices dropped. ‘[In the past] you could throw an ad up with a high rent and get a bunch of calls right away,’ leasing agent Shawn Langille said. ‘You could pick your tenant and have them fight over a property.’”
“Online rental sites have seen their business spike, with a big jump in ads. ‘Roughly a 40 per cent increase from this time last year,’ RentFaster.ca’s Mark Hawkins said. ‘And then we’ve seen that price drop anywhere from 10 to 20 per cent.’”
“Experts say the next big hit to the market could come in the spring, when many leases typically come up for renewal. Plus, supply continues to increase as more Albertans are renting their homes out, as opposed to selling them at a loss. ‘Yeah, it’s bad,’ Langille said.”
The Star Phoenix. “Following a period of rapid expansion driven by high commodity prices, Saskatchewan’s economy deteriorated sharply in 2015. At the beginning of this year, it was deep in what University of Regina economics professor Jason Childs describes as the end of a commodities ’super cycle.’ ‘We’re seeing the backslide of a commodities cycle,’ Childs said. ‘All the prices were being inflated. Now all the air is being let out of the balloon and we have to shrink back down.’”
“‘We were overheating pretty good,’ the U of R economist said. ‘Housing prices were pretty scary. It was virtually impossible to find a good employee. We were seeing all of the hallmarks of an overheating economy.’”
The Regina Leader Post. “Once the province’s poster boy for economic growth, Estevan is now the canary in the coalmine, the first city to feel the full impact of the plunging price of oil. Nowhere in Saskatchewan has the slowdown in the economy — the transition from boom to bust — been more pronounced or rapid. Mayor Roy Ludwig, who served on council for 22 years and the last four years as mayor, says almost overnight the prevailing attitude has changed from buoyant optimism to hunkered down ’survival mode.’”
“‘There’s somewhat of a general malaise out there right now,’ said Ludwig in a recent interview. ‘The people who do have jobs feel very fortunate and they do feel sorry for the ones that don’t.’”
“Manpreet Sangha, the city’s economic development officer, knows that 75 building permits valued at just over $11 million were issued in the city of 13,000 in 2015. That’s down sharply from 157 permits valued at nearly $35 million in 2014. Even more dramatic was the decline in single-detached housing starts, from 72 in 2014 to only 18 in 2015. According to Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp., there were 91 multiple housing units started in 2014, compared with only four in 2015. Total housing starts in Estevan plummeted 87 per cent to 22 in 2015 from 163 in 2014.”
“After average prices on the multiple listing service increased from just under $250,000 in 2013 to about $263,000 in 2014, housing prices in 2015 slid back to 2013 average prices ($246,921). But higher priced homes have seen even larger prices decreases —$60,000 to $70,000 in some cases, Sangha said. ‘The average (vacancy rate) is 20 per cent (in April 2015), compared to an average of 5.5 per cent vacancy rate in April 2014,’ Sangha said.”
“While vacancy rates in apartments have climbed, occupancy rates in hotels have plunged during the past year. Occupancy rates, which used to exceed 90 per cent, have fallen to around 20 to 30 per cent. Like the explosion in rental housing units, the number of hotel rooms was expanding exponentially when the downturn hit the oilpatch. Two new hotels came on the market and another doubled its capacity in the last year or so, further exacerbating the falling occupancy rate. She said the city’s transient population — mainly young single males working in the oilpatch — have vacated the city. ‘Even full-time permanent workers have been laid off, so that’s another big thing that has happened in our economy.’”
With China’s stock market losses approaching the fifty percent mark, the source of ongoing money flows out of China is a mystery.
Shouldn’t these Chinese investors be repaying their margin loans back home instead of gambling in Vancouver real estate?
MarketWatch dot com
China stocks plunge 6.4% on worries about market liquidity
By Chao Deng
Published: Feb 25, 2016 4:31 a.m. ET
Rough day puts Shanghai 47% lower since last summer
Reuters
A staff member walks through the venue of the upcoming G20 meeting in Shanghai, China, on Thursday.
Stocks in China plunged Thursday amid heightened worries about market liquidity, just as leaders of the world’s largest economies are preparing to meet in Shanghai.
The Shanghai Composite Index (SHCOMP, -6.41%) tumbled throughout the trading session to finish down 6.4% at 2,741.25. That was the worst percentage drop for China’s leading benchmark since Jan. 26 and took the benchmark down to a 47% loss since last summer.
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What was that moonshot back in June all about? The Shanghai is down over 50% since then.
‘Prices for mansions in Houston’s swankiest neighborhood have tumbled in lock step with crude prices. The Houston Opera has offered free season tickets to patrons who lost their jobs in the oil bust. A fancy restaurant offers cut-price dinners.’
‘Twenty months into the worst oil price crash since the 1980s, well-heeled residents of the world’s oil capital are among the hardest hit largely because tanking energy firm shares make up much of oil and gas executives’ compensation.’
‘In River Oaks, a neighborhood of palatial mansions and lush gardens, the average sales price of a home has tumbled to $1.3 million from $2 million in the middle of 2014 when oil began its more than 70 percent slide, according to data from the Houston Association of Realtors and Keller Williams. Median property prices in the area have already fallen further in this downturn, which is not yet over, than the 16 percent drop in the previous oil slump in 2008 and 2009.’
‘Former oil executive, Kolja Rockov, whose extravagant wedding with dancers and acrobats became a local online sensation three years ago, briefly put his unfinished mansion on the market for $6.9 million, according to listings. Work appeared to stall on his house as an SEC filing showed he involuntarily sold 239,000 shares of the company’s tanking stock he had used as a collateral for a loan. Rockov lost his job as Linn Energy LLC’s CFO in August.’
“If you’re working for an energy company, you see all this stress around you, it might nick your purchase confidence, even if you are fairly high income,” Earl Hesterberg, chief executive of Houston-based Group 1 Automotive Inc, told Reuters. He said excess inventory was most acute for top line BMW and Mercedes-Benz models in Texas and Oklahoma.’
‘To be sure, oil executives are not alone in feeling the pain. Many blue collar jobs in oilfield equipment production have disappeared. So have thousands of middle management jobs in oil exploration and production. A regular Uber customer is likely at some point to ride with a former energy industry professional. “It pays for the mortgage,” said Matthew Clemonds, who once did mapping for pipeline companies and now works for the ride-sharing company.’
‘the average sales price of a home has tumbled to $1.3 million from $2 million in the middle of 2014′
But, Houston is diversified. Now they are driving around picking up strangers and calling that a job? Does anyone remember all the BS about oil? Oh, it’ll just shoot back up, this is all temporary.
I said, not predicting, but remembered what’s happened before; these commodity cycles are big deals. It’s years and years one way and the same the other. And that’s with out a once in 10,000 year credit blowout.
‘By some accounts, it is the biggest occurrence of capital flight in history’
Live it up Vancouver, cuz it’s gonna end sometime. I tried to tell Alberta, but nobody would listen.
I said, not predicting, but remembered what’s happened before; these commodity cycles are big deals ??
Yep…When was it last time Ben…1984 ??
“And that’s with out a once in 10,000 year credit blowout.”
“big deal” might be an understatement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbj5X88cbCk
The wedding dance.
Tears of Joy!
The way his eye’s bulge. He looks like a chameleon lizard getting ready to snarf up a glistening bug with a long sticky tongue.
She probably said no later that evening. Hehe.
Here’s why oil prices could be headed to $0:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/heres-why-oil-prices-could-be-headed-to-dollar0/ar-BBpWKQ0?li=BBnbfcN
Oh my
The sellers in Van are happy. Not everyone is sad.
I would move to New Zealand with my winnings.
As soon as I hear “that it can’t happen here this time because now we’re a diversified city” I know that the end is nigh.
During the 80s oil bust interest rates were high=less hot money and leverage
Mayor of Houston was saying that 3 months ago
We b diversified,yo
‘Rockov, whose extravagant wedding with dancers and acrobats became a local online sensation three years ago, briefly put his unfinished mansion on the market for $6.9 million, according to listings. Work appeared to stall on his house as an SEC filing showed he involuntarily sold 239,000 shares of the company’s tanking stock he had used as a collateral for a loan.’
How do you involuntarily sell a stock? Look at the photo of the mansion. What do you suppose it will sell for eventually? Five cents on the dollar?
Look at the photo of the mansion ??
I did….Mansion ?? Wow…Calling that a mansion is a pretty big stretch for that stucco box…
“How do you involuntarily sell a stock?”
Sounds like a margin call, a margin call not generated by a broker but by lender who is holding the stock as collateral for a loan.
Just a WAG.
Or maybe it is a broker; one normally thinks of using stock as collateral for buying more stock but I believe the borrowed money can be used for any purpose.
I ran across this …
Stock based loan programs. What investors need to know.
https://www.finra.org/investors/alerts/stock-based-loan-programs-what-investors-need-know
More info …
“Most financial services firms allow you to borrow against your investments simply by filling out some paperwork. Borrowing against your investments can be an easy way to raise cash, as there are usually few, if any, restrictions on the use of the borrowed money. Some investors borrow against their accounts to provide leverage for their investments, since if you borrow half the value of your account, the percentage moves in your account are doubled. Depending on the size of your investment loan, your interest rate may be lower than you could get on other types of loans.”
http://budgeting.thenest.com/borrow-against-investments-24212.html
‘We’re seeing the backslide of a commodities cycle,’ Childs said. ‘All the prices were being inflated. Now all the air is being let out of the balloon and we have to shrink back down…We were overheating pretty good,’ the U of R economist said. ‘Housing prices were pretty scary.’
Do you mean $500,000 Canadian pesos for a double-wide wasn’t a good investment? Your mortgage market is toast.
“Your mortgage market is toast.”
Mortgage market = just one chunk of a huge debt market.
“‘We’re seeing the backslide of a commodities cycle,’ Childs said.”
A commodities cycles that was powered by a huge amount of debt.
“‘All the prices were being inflated.”
Inflated prices that were powered-up and inflated by a huge amount of debt, debt that depended on the prices remaining high so as to give this powered-up debt some much-needed justification and backing.
“Now all the air is being let out of the balloon and we have to shrink back down…”
Leaving the debt stranded in the same way Wiley E. Coyote gets stranded ten feet away from the edge of a cliff.
“We were overheating pretty good,’ the U of R economist said. ‘Housing prices were pretty scary.’”
Poof went the high prices, and when the high prices went poof then a lot of equity-related “wealth” went poof right along with them.
Next up, next up to go poof? The debt, the debt that used to be backed by the equity-related wealth that sprung into existence due to high prices, high prices that got to be high because money was made available due to much borrowing so as to push them up high, push them up high and at the same time magically create the wealth needed to back the debt, the very same debt that powered-up the high prices in the first place.
People are smart.
Why don’t they ask Carney to come back from England and tell them he saved their banking system?
Canadians are generally nice people. But they screwed the pooch this time.
Isn’t it true, Ben, that Canada has never had to bail out its banks or S & L’s like the USA has done in the 80’s and post 2008?
I guess there’s a first for everything.
The way I remember it, the S&L’s were closed and people marched off to jail. Lot’s of banks failed. The RTC was created to sell off the assets.
I use a mind game to “write” the history of the bust at any given point. It could be said, post 2007, China put the pedal to the metal and gave the world a resource boom. Those countries sitting on resources went crazy. So Canada and Texas were considered success stories. But the China miracle turned out to be phony and temporary, dragging down the resource states with them.
I was asked by a Canadian reporter (2007 IIRC) if resources would save Canada. I told her it didn’t in Texas in the 80’s, it made things worse. All that money and jobs - what have people done? Gorged on debt, driving up house prices. Look at these uber drivers in Houston; what did you do with all that money you were making? Clowns and acrobats?
I made money on the resource boom. As an attentive HBB reader, I saved while continuing to downsize and simplify. I won’t have to give strangers a ride or rent them a room, thank you.
“Look at these uber drivers in Houston; what did you do with all that money you were making? Clowns and acrobats?”
$75k diesel truck + $75k luxury SUV + $75k boat + $35k pair of personal watercraft + $35k pair of ATV’s, 5,000 sq ft McMansion, eating out every weekend, 5x more expensive clothes than one would ever need, strip clubs, vacations, massive backyard bbq parties, expensive bar tabs, $500 grocery store tabs, Sirius/XM in every vehicle, $300 cable bills, $750 utility bills, $200 cell phone bills…
Need I go on?
When one reads about the plight of other countries it makes one realize that it could be worse here … much worse.
Do you mean $500,000 Canadian pesos for a double-wide wasn’t a good investment ??
LOL…
’supply continues to increase as more Albertans are renting their homes out, as opposed to selling them at a loss’
Sure, buy the renters a TV and some groceries, but don’t take a loss on that shack.
‘When those figures are adjusted for inflation, the trend looks even crazier. In today’s Canadian dollars, the city’s housing prices grew by only roughly $150,000 between 1980 and 2006, but shot up by $375,000 in the last six months.’
Arlington, VA Housing Prices Crater 9% YoY
http://www.zillow.com/arlington-va-22207/home-values/
I posted this yesterday.
“A press release I just came across:
‘Just this week it was announced we are in a buyers’ market in certain segments of the Real Estate Market in Houston. Certainly confirmed by the announcement and scheduling of an Auction of the remaining inventory of the Oasis Pointe Condominiums in The Woodlands; scheduled for Saturday, March 5.’
‘This is certainly the first real estate auction in quite some time in the Houston market. Is this the first of many to come? Certainly the slide of the economy in 2008 generated several auctions in our market from 2008-2010.’
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/mark-thomas-assoc-condo-auction-houston-131655.html
Previous buyers, you are now underwater!
When the new construction goes on fire sale, the beginning of the end is near.
But Rental Watch says we’re not building enough to keep up with demand.
To a Chinese billionaire looking for a backup plan, spending $2 million dollars on a high end property that may lose 75% of the purchase price is cheap insurance.
I don’t know why people focus on that. “Oh these Chinese will be alright!”
Look at this again:
‘In today’s Canadian dollars, the city’s housing prices grew by only roughly $150,000 between 1980 and 2006, but shot up by $375,000 in the last six months’
Most of the purchases in Vancouver are locals. And most of them are borrowing to do so. And young people have been paying whopping amounts for condos to “get on the ladder”. Until very recently 5% was all they had to put down. When this all washes out, the well-being of Chinese billionaires isn’t going to seem very important.
Here in Vancouver, it’s turned to mass panic for people looking to buy. Some are starting to feel that they must buy NOW or be priced out forever (by the Chinese, who they seem to think are coming here in droves, guess what, they’re not, they’re just speculating in our market). Two doors down, a 1950s bungalow just had two days of open houses. List price was about $1.3 million. We live in a similar house but our rent is $2100/month. For two days our street was filled with BMWs, Mercedes, Range Rovers etc as people showed up to view this “gem” (it’ll be torn down, replaced with a $2.5 million property). Things are beyond absurd here.
In other words, the collapse will be spectacular?
I agree.
What a depressing scene to have to witness.
A few hundred chinese billionares(where the distinct possibility exists that the billions were acquired illegally) are incapable of carry the crushing dead weight of tens of millions of excess, empty and defaulted houses.
Raindrops in the desert my friend. Raindrops in the desert.
No, but they can ridiculously inflate asking prices temporarily.
And as we have see repeatedly, there are a bunch of people who have bought into the real estate propaganda, with access to big lines of credit
That’s right. It’s temporary. “Big lines of credit” and a billionares are a distinction without a difference in this respect.
Remember….. ‘A housing recovery’ is falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels by definition.
Rich Warlords and oligarchs skipping town and hauling their cash overseas when the going gets tough is nothing new.
Unlike 1949, they are able to buy/rent their own airplanes, instead of having the USAF do it.
Yeah, they may be stinking corrupt robber barons, but since they “hate Communism”, they are part of our team…….
Starbucks barista=Hooters waitress=micro brewer=gourmet cupcake baker= Diverse Workforce
Just think, her father probably grew up in Maoist China, and had his own own “Little Red Book” as a child. Now his daughter is a card carrying member of the out of touch 0.1%.
just goes to show how wrong Marx was, as he believed that Communism would produce an improved man, one who wasn’t greedy. Not all that different from the Star Trek meme that the Federation would also eradicate greed.
More positive economic news. Remember… Nothing accelerates the economy, creates jobs and erases poverty like falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels. Nothing.
“Natural Gas Tumbles To 16-Year Lows”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-25/natgas-tumbles-17-year-lows
Fake Chinese money buying real property all over the world and no one cares.
Los Angeles, CA Housing Market Craters; Prices Plunge 6% YoY As Chinese Rush To Offload Depreciating Houses
http://www.zillow.com/san-pedro-los-angeles-ca/home-values/