It’s Like Déjà Vu All Over Again
The Mercury News reports from California. “This week’s new joint analysis by the Point2homes.com and PropertyShark websites points to San Francisco as the costliest housing market in the U.S. and Canada, with a median home price of $1,085,000. Manhattan captured the No. 2 position ($1,059,000), while San Jose ($700,000) took the third spot, followed by Brooklyn in fourth place, Los Angeles in fifth and Vancouver in sixth. Those are the top finishers in what’s billed as North America’s Superstar Housing Markets. Jacky Morales-Ferrand, San Jose’s housing director called the obsession with rankings ‘a sign of this recovery.’ ‘Because the latest recession was all about housing and its prices, and we now have this recovering market. But how high can it go again? When it reaches its cap, it’s going to deflate. It’s going to have to go down,’ she added.”
“More recently, the Abodo apartment search website reported that rental costs for one-bedroom units in San Jose fell 11 percent from January to February this year, said to be the biggest decline in the nation. But when Abodo tabulated the 10 largest declines from February to March, San Jose wasn’t on the list, though Sacramento ranked second (down 16 percent) and San Francisco ranked ninth (down 6 percent). Is your head spinning yet?”
KGW on Oregon. “A growing number of Portland-area home buyers are coming from the San Francisco Bay Area. The California transplants are helping to fuel Portland’s red hot housing market. Of Bay Area residents moving elsewhere in the country- 4 percent bought homes in Portland in 2014. One year later - that number jumped to 12.6 percent. ‘I’ve got two Bay Area buyers in escrow right now and it seems like more of their friends, just kind of keep talking about it,’ said Matthew Brennan of the real estate brokerage Redfin.”
The Kirkland Reporter in Washington. “The spring housing market is here. We’re calling it a Pac-Man market because homes are being gobbled up as soon as they come on the market. ‘As forecasted, we’re in for another crazy spring real estate market,” said Lennox Scott, CEO of John L. Scott Real Estate. ‘Six months ago we predicted the major decline in inventory throughout the winter months that would create a more intense market starting the first of the year. It’s like déjà vu all over again. We’ve seen this pattern for the last three years, but the lack of inventory is taking its toll on homebuyers; we are facing the most intense market yet.’”
“‘We have a real estate market that is out of balance,’ said Mona Spencer, managing broker of John L. Scott Eastside. ‘For buyers, have your agent explain how to navigate through the lack of inventory to help you win the offer. Make sure they have a list of techniques to use.’”
The Midland Reporter Telegram in Texas. “Updated labor market figures from the Texas Workforce Commission this month showed the economic pain caused by low oil prices was deeper than originally thought. ‘What had previously been reported as slight year-over-year gains in total employment in Midland-Odessa were revised downward, as expected, to indicate the loss of an estimated 14,500 jobs in 2015, a decline of about 8 percent over the year. Monthly employment estimates in the latter part of 2014 were revised slightly downward as well,’ said Karr Ingham, the Amarillo economist who prepares the Midland-Odessa Regional Economic Index.”
“Virtually every component of the index posted sharp, double-digit declines, he pointed out. Construction spending is less than half a year-ago levels, with January figures for all building permit valuations 53.4 percent below January 2015. The number of new housing permits issued by Midland and Odessa was down 21.1 percent below last January’s levels. Businesses and residents may feel like, in many ways, the bottom has fallen out, he said. But amidst the current pain, he stressed that the remarkable 70 percent surge in the area economy from 2010 through 2014 should not be forgotten. ‘This is short-term pain on the heels of extraordinary gains. That context can’t be forgotten,’ he said.”
The Banker and Tradesman on Massachusetts. “Greater Boston’s sky-high home prices may be finally peaking after an epic run-up that has seen values reach – and in some cases blow past – records set during the bubble years. Then again, maybe they are just taking a breather before rocketing to even more insane heights. The real estate market inside the 495 beltway is at a crossroads, with prices slowing and in some cases flattening out over the past few months, even as sales go bonkers.”
“There are certainly numbers to back up the slowdown view. While pending sales across Massachusetts were up in February by a whopping 75 percent compared to last year – recall last February’s Siberian interlude – median home and condo prices fell 2.3 and 2.8 percent respectively, the Massachusetts Association of Realtors reports. Home prices have hardly been on a tear over the last few months, either, given what’s happened over the last few years.”
“The median home price in Massachusetts edged down half a percent in January, to $320,000, while condo prices fell 3 percent, to $290,875, according to The Warren Group, publisher of Banker & Tradesman. Moreover, there are also signs that prices have finally hit a ceiling in some of the Boston area’s toniest suburbs. After year after year of steady, sometimes double-digit appreciation, home prices actually fell last year in blue chip towns like Weston, Lincoln, Lexington, Concord and Sherborn, as well as Cohasset on the South Shore.”
“Annie Blatz, president of the Massachusetts Association of Realtors, said she is encouraged by what she sees as a ‘moderating’ trend in home prices. It’s certainly good for business. Steady but modest increases in home prices a lot easier for homebuyers to stomach, she noted. ‘We are always happy with moderation,’ Blatz said.”
The Gainesville Sun in Florida. “Wayne Bauman bought one of the first six condos in Grand Preserve at Kanapaha in 2008 and moved in that February with his wife. They loved it at the time, he said, but it wouldn’t be long before they were sorry they ever moved into what became known during the Great Recession as a zombie development. Dozens of subdivisions developed around Alachua County during the height of the housing bubble later came to a halt — or at least a slow trickle — as the recession hit.”
“Construction activity has picked up in recent years, however, bringing new life to the once dormant developments as the housing market recovers. All told, Alachua County has 12,818 vacant lots, including 4,793 within municipalities, 1,711 in the unincorporated county and 6,314 within the urban cluster surrounding municipalities. Another 8,258 are within preliminary developments awaiting final regulatory approval for a possible total of as many as 21,076 vacant lots.”
“Grand Preserve — although currently an unplatted planned development — was an extreme example of a zombie development. Grand Preserve eventually went into foreclosure. The clubhouse is open, but Bauman said the gym equipment is broken, and pool and lawn maintenance have been intermittent. Bauman said they would have liked to sell and move out, but the property value dropped to half of their original $230,000 purchase price and they are still underwater, owing more than the condo is worth.”
“‘We can’t walk away from here with a loss because we won’t be able to buy anywhere else,’ he said. ‘You can look, but not until prices come up and until they start building here that’s not going to happen.’”
San Jose fell 11 percent from January to February this year ??
Right around January a new complex in 95008 came on the market…$4200. for a two bedroom….One month later it was lowered to $3100. and they are still struggling to fill the complex and no wonder why at those prices…At some point you hit a wall…
‘Sacramento ranked second (down 16 percent)’
And the landlord will carry the couch in for you.
There’s still tons of multifamily stuff in the pipeline it would appear too. Just driving around I notice quite a few giant apartment complexes in the works, which I’m sure will put downward pressure on rents. (not to mention downward pressure on quality of life in their neighborhoods)
‘A growing number of Portland-area home buyers are coming from the San Francisco Bay Area’
‘tons of multifamily stuff in the pipeline’
There is no shortage of housing. Any back up is temporary. If Tokyo can be overbuilt, any place can be.
Now I wonder if Portland artists will be throwing poop soon ?
Although cheaper than the San Francisco Bay Area the Portland, OR housing market is well overpriced too. I have held back several times from submitting my resume there because my standard of living would be lower. Forget the Seattle and Tacoma market(s) too. There will be a huge SPLASH when these metros fall back to earth.
There will be a huge SPLASH when these metros fall back to earth.
God, I hope so…
jingle?
Yet still a fraction of the cost of buying at current grossly inflated asking prices of resale housing.
“San Jose fell 11 percent…”
Impossible. Sacramento is a crime free thriving hub of Arts and Culture.
‘Virtually every component of the index posted sharp, double-digit declines, he pointed out.’
And as he is sucked down the deflationary vortex, a cry is heard:
‘This is short-term pain on the heels of extraordinary gains’
Things must be getting bad in Midland.
‘OPEC on Monday predicted global demand for its crude oil will be less than previously thought in 2016 as supply from rivals proves more resilient to low prices, increasing the excess supply on the market this year. The report points to a 760,000-bpd excess supply in 2016 if the group keeps pumping at February’s rate, up from 720,000 bpd implied in last month’s report.’
It occurred to me that OPEC could be making more money manipulating the futures market than they do on oil itself. Into the third rally since 2014 and the glut never disappeared.
‘They loved it at the time, he said, but it wouldn’t be long before they were sorry they ever moved’
This whole article is a hoot.
“Skobel said they have been waiting for the market to improve for the kind of larger homes they have planned for Grand Preserve and the adjacent Brytan development they bought in 2012 and started building in last year.
For Grand Preserve, they are planning 2,800- to 4,000-square-foot homes in the $300,000 to $500,000 price range.
Brytan will have 2,700- to 3,500-square-foot homes ranging from the $300,000s to the $400,000s. “
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Wayne Bauman is going to be even sorrier when he sees 2800 sq ft McMansions selling for not much more $$ than his condo.
And $280K is too much for condo anywhere.
$280k is too much for a new house anywhere.
‘Alachua County has 12,818 vacant lots…Another 8,258 are within preliminary developments awaiting final regulatory approval for a possible total of as many as 21,076 vacant lots’
This is really something. The one guy says “you won’t know how long those roads have been there’. Half-built houses? The developer talking about the bath he took on spec houses. It’s a riot in Alachua County!
I saw that part too. What is that guy thinking? Gainesville is in interior, rural north Florida, not a real good place for these gigantic houses. Other than UF and Shands Hospital, there’s not much up there, economically speaking. And I think the “meds and eds” strategy has been exhausted.
Maybe they’re hoping for Chinese buyers.
Gainesville was home of Grooveshark, the online music service. It’s gone now, buried under lawsuits as they didn’t pay royalties.
Actually, there are other jobs in the area. Prison jobs. The counties around Gainesville, and the rest of north Florida, are well-served by the prison industrial complex. (In fact, the idea for the movie “Cool Hand Luke” came from the screenwriter’s time on a Florida chain gang.) Can prison guards get and service a mortgage for a $500,000 house? Do we have a failure to communicate? “Some men … you just can’t reach.”
What sort of insanity prompts people to think they need a 4,000 sq/ft house?
The same cluelessness that compels them to pay 4x more than long term historical prices for a depreciating asset.
There is nothing insane about it. Where I live, the techie immigrant couple moves in, has kids, and then one set of grandparents from the home country comes over shortly thereafter. Three generations, all living under the same roof. They can use every bit of that space.
Kids don’t play outside any longer, and nobody wants to do yard work, and the city and county and the builder and the real estate agent all make more money if the interior square footage is larger. So they build the biggest house that they can cram onto the lot.
It’s the American Way!
‘Annie Blatz, president of the Massachusetts Association of Realtors, said she is encouraged by what she sees as a ‘moderating’ trend in home prices. It’s certainly good for business. Steady but modest increases in home prices a lot easier for homebuyers to stomach, she noted. ‘We are always happy with moderation,’ Blatz said.’
Yeah, Annie, and that’s why the UHS haven’t mentioned these price decreases in and around Boston. Always spinning things. Pretty soon they’ll be lecturing sellers on being unrealistic. Where did they get that from? Oh, right, the UHS telling everybody to hurry and don’t insult the sellers, blah.
Pretty soon they’ll be lecturing sellers on being unrealistic ??
LOL….They will pivot in a heartbeat if the market turns the other way…They are salesmen/women…
squirrel feeding requests have receded
man the floating condo hotels
Your homie is back with an update on this shitty flip in a “hot” Boston suburb: https://www.redfin.com/MA/Arlington/27-Hancock-St-02474/home/8441208
Mar 11, 2016, Price Changed, $649,000
Mar 1, 2016, Price Changed, $699,000
Feb 11, 2016, Price Changed, $749,000
Jan 27, 2016, Listed (New), $789,000
Aug 17, 2015, Sold, $465,000
homie went to see this place for the lolz. Terraced backyard that is all but useless.
Newsflash, flippers and UHS: $649K IS A LOT OF MONEY TO PAY FOR BULLSHIT. No one cares about granite and stainless if the lot sucks. Or for a house that needs a 2nd full bath.
Crazy thing is, I bet this would have sold at $749K last year. Baby Jesus knows that idiots were paying that much to live on the side of a freaking highway in the same 2nd-tier town.
“homie went to see this place for the lolz.”
What did the systems look like?
Can that deck-like thing get any weirder?
Is the ceiling high enough for a full bath?
In my nabe, this house would sell for half that at best. You can’t rent out a basement with only a half bath.
The reality is it can be rented anywhere for a fraction of the carrying costs.
funny, Refin has a drop price ALERT email system
Very sketchy.
I couldn’t stay long enough to see the systems. I just did a quick swing by the place and saw how god-awful the “yard” is. Not to mention the street. So hilly and it’s a private road, which means it’s torn to shit because maintenance falls to the abutters, not the town.
I agree. A friend of mine sold a similar house in Lexington last fall for 770,000 to some people from India. Absolutely insane prices. I’m sure they have already lost money.
It’s probably better than living in India.
I have a lot of neighbors and stuff from India, as is my landlord. I wonder — if the market goes south can they just go back to India and ignore the loans they have here in the USA? I’m sure they still have citizenship.
I was told that if they naturalize as US citizens, that India will strip them of their citizenship.
LOLz, that shit shack just went pending! Hope that putz doesn’t have any kids.
Terraced backyard that is all but useless.
What the heck is up with that weird little deck with benches? Did they carve out that chunk of rock just to make that?? Very strange.
>’telling everybody to hurry and don’t insult the sellers’
What about insulting the buyers? Actual quote from a $900k 2-bedroom condo listing last month (caps original to text):
“PLEASE DO NOT BRING ANY CLIENTS WHO DO NOT WANT TO OFFER FULL PRICE OR OVER AS IT WILL BE A WASTE OF EVERYONE’S TIME.”
Btw, it’s still on the market 2 weeks later.
What kind of moron pays $900K for a 2 bed apartment? WTF is that? Who has that kind of dough to just piss away?
I’m guessing whoever is buying it has nothing close to $900k.
But crazy shadow bank lenders can create $900k out of thin air and hand it over to some idiot with a one-click mortgage who probably doesn’t even have enough cash flow to cover the $1200 per month HOA, much less a conventional re-payment on the mortgage.
I think we’re not far away from the days of old when the origination machine was so out of control people never even made their very first mortgage payment.
‘For buyers, have your agent explain how to navigate through the lack of inventory to help you win the offer. Make sure they have a list of techniques to use.’
1. Promise to feed the squirrels. etc.
Man, these UHS really earn their money.
Pac-Man market making it tough for homebuyers in Kirkland | Bradley
At the bottom:
Kellee Bradley is a spokesperson with John L. Scott.
It’s true though. Google has recently expanded their presence in Kirkland, so there are a lot of highly-paid people that want to live close to work. I live just a few miles directly east of their Kirkland office.
Inventory is still extremely limited here - anything “affordable” is snapped up within a few days, typically with multiple bids.
Example: neighbor’s son just sold his 1960s 3BR rambler in Redmond, asking price $499,950 - sold in four days for $550K with multiple solid offers.
Until tech bubble 2.0 pops, things are going to be tight here.
Post a link.
‘It’s true though’
That’s why a used house salesperson wrote the article and not a reporter. I’m curious about these places like Dallas; “oh Toyota is coming, prices skyrocket - logical!”
People working at Toyota can’t make house prices go up hundreds of thousands. Especially when more can be built. If I’m working at Google, I’m going to drive a hard bargain just the same. Unless, I think I’m “getting in” and will overpay because it’s going to make me MUCH more money later. And we’ve never seen Californians spread out across Oregon buying houses willy-nilly, have we?
Every bubble market has a touch of truth. The weather may be nice. Latin Americans may vacation there. It doesn’t explain why a 1960’s house would sell for several thousand percent more than 30 or 40 years ago.
There’s Only One Buyer Keeping S&P 500’s Bull Market Alive
‘Demand for U.S. shares among companies and individuals is diverging at a rate that may be without precedent, another sign of how crucial buybacks are in propping up the bull market as it enters its eighth year.’
“Anytime when you’re relying solely on one thing to happen to keep the market going is a dangerous situation,” said Andrew Hopkins, director of equity research at Wilmington Trust Co., which oversees about $70 billion. “Over time, you come to the realization, ‘Look, these companies can’t grow. Borrowing money to buy back stocks is going to come to an end.”’
Novato, CA Housing Market Implodes; Prices Plunge 12% YoY On Ballooning Housing Inventory
http://www.movoto.com/novato-ca/market-trends/
“It’s The Q2 2015 Rally All Over Again” - Morgan Stanley Warns Big Oil Drop Imminent Due To “Rampant Hedging”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-14/2q-15-rally-all-over-again-morgan-stanley-warns-big-oil-drop-imminent-due-rampant-he
Remember…. Nothing accelerates the economy, creates jobs and cures poverty like falling gasoline and housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels. Nothing.
how much do we pay gov workers for old data?
Monthly employment estimates in the latter part of 2014 were revised slightly downward as well,’
billions
‘The Bank of Japan shocked markets in January with negative rates…About 70 percent of government bonds have a yield of zero or below, meaning investors are paying to hold the debt. Pushing the yield curve down to make borrowing less costly and to encourage lending is the aim of the new policy.’
‘However, those actions are hurting the bond market, with 69 percent of traders in February saying market function has declined compared with three months ago, according to a BOJ survey.’
‘A 10-year, fixed-rate home loan carried a 0.8 percent rate last week, down from 1.05 percent before the introduction of the negative rate, according to a speech by Kuroda.’
Consider this; a bank has to have buildings with employees sitting in them. Or a web page, where these loan-owners sign up. Computers (also in a building somewhere) run by accountants will keep track of these loans. Accounts will shuffle pesos back and forth. And the prize is .8%.
The postage alone would eat that up. I’m thinking the entire venture is a loss.
Bedford, MA Housing Market Craters; Prices Tailspin 25% YoY On Plummeting Housing Demand
http://www.movoto.com/bedford-ma/market-trends/
And Bedford’s actually a serious value if you don’t have to commute into the city. Nice historic town, top 5 school district, nice lots, decent little center. Drive to Boston sucks, though.
“A growing number of Portland-area home buyers are coming from the San Francisco Bay Area.”
The Portland market is f@ckered up for sure.
In Bubble 1.0, people were buying houses for $150k, rehabbing and selling for $350-$450k. In 2.0, they’re buying for $200-250k and selling for $650-700k. This is in close-in areas of Portland.
Much of what’s driving this influx is tech jobs from companies in CA. Jobs created, in part, by credit expansion.
Here’s a related example. It’s in my old nabe and I happened to drive by it last week. Saw that it was cleared out (used to be an auto repair/U-haul rental place) and looked it up. Realty development firm paid $1.2M for this 10,000 sf (.23 acre) lot.
https://www.portlandmaps.com/detail/assessor/3005-NE-KILLINGSWORTH-ST/R190361_did/
$5.2M an acre!! in a mid-range neighborhood. My guess? 10-ish condos on top of retail, all listed for $450k each.
When does the madness end?
…When the pretending can no longer be extended.
It’s Like Déjà Vu All Over Again.
Truth. Wait times are WAAAAAY up at trendy pubs. And contractors don’t call back.
Jacky Morales-Ferrand, San Jose’s housing director
how many bureaucrats in housing do taxpayers employ ?
I went to a real estate “mastermind” meeting last week, and the quick $ folks are out in force. Some attorneys, architects, and other smart folks, but mostly want to be’s. A lot of flippers living in So Ca but doing Phoenix deals. Young kids living in apts, who thought they’d be flippers and it turned into a buy and hold, and some have done 1 flip, with plans of 4 per yr, with 20 yr plans.
And meanwhile those who just want a primary home are priced out. The sense of entitlement and arrogance was astounding. I went for commercial contacts, and 90% of the people weren’t my kind, human or business.
The sense of entitlement and arrogance was astounding.
I had a close encounter with one of them right before we left the old rental. Speeding jerk in a sports car almost hit me coming around a corner before parking on the wrong side of the street at a nearby foreclosure. He was on the phone, and gave off a vibe that no one else in the world existed.
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Not that I post much, but I’m thinking about changing my name to
Leeloo Dallas Multipass.
Given the fact housing demand is at 20 year lows, 30 year lows in CA, those who “just want a primary home” are few and far between.
I think that’s wrong. Plenty of people want houses. Demand is low because no one can afford a house. Or if you’re like me and sitting on $400K cash, you’re not about to drop it on a shit box.
Doesn’t really matter why demand is at 20 year lows and falling.
jake
Demand is there, but SFHs are so damn expensive.
homie
Congrats on the $400K. Wait for a dip like we did. Network with elder attorneys who do Trusts. That is how we found our home, but word got out, and there were multiple offers. We won and we didn’t bid the highest. I’m happy you saved that much. It shows discipline and smarts.
Tarara Boomdea
I hear ya. Legends in their own mind. One 26 year old was the epitome of obnoxious and she was telling people she was retired. Might have been a cash flow thing, or she inherited $, because I just didn’t believe it. Why was she networking at the meeting? I smell BS.
Ehhhh no. That’s not how it works.
If demand were there, demand wouldn’t be at 20 year lows.
>’pending sales across Massachusetts were up in February by a whopping 75 percent compared to last year’
Pending sales have exploded here in SoCal too. Wonder if this has anything to do with the explosion in P2P lending mortgages to broke millennials. Like SoFi:
“They offer IO mortgages with loan amounts as high as $3 million, meaning they’re a jumbo peer-to-peer non-QM mortgage lender. Per their website, they currently offer a 5/1 ARM with a 10-year interest-only option, a 7/1 ARM, and a 30-year fixed.
Loans are evaluated on potential future income (always expected to increase, of course!):
“In order to qualify for a SoFi mortgage, you need to have graduated from a selection of Title IV accredited universities or graduate programs. Not sure which schools/degrees qualify, but I think the expectation is that even if you aren’t making much money now, you’re expected to be in the near future. SoFi refers to their debt-to-income limits “flexible,” so you might be okay if income is a little light as long as you went to Stanford.”
And to explain the incredibly quick bidding wars:
“SoFi claims that they can fund a mortgage in less than 21 days, as opposed to the industry average of 30-45 days. And they promise not to ask for “useless details.””
http://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com/peer-to-peer-lender-sofi-now-offering-mortgages-to-smart-people/
The realtor pending number is as reliable as any of their other tripe.
US Housing Demand Plummets To 20 Year Low
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0q8fIAsczFk/VUANHEhSbnI/AAAAAAAAjRs/oANwXOUviGw/s1600/MBAApr292015.PNG
Peak online lending? SoFi starts hedge fund just to buy loans from itself.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-13/peak-online-lending-sofi-starts-hedge-fund-just-buy-loans-itself
“‘We can’t walk away from here with a loss because we won’t be able to buy anywhere else,’ he said.
Apparently this guy has never heard of buy-then-walk?
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