March 17, 2016

Stubborn Myths That Are Draining Life Out Of The Market

A report from Bloomberg. “Steady job growth, low mortgage rates and record apartment rents are turning millennials into homebuyers — if they can find a house. Jennifer Lan and her husband, Jared Tompkins, who are both physicians finishing residencies in Memphis, Tennessee, started hunting for their first house near her parents in Potomac, Maryland, last month and have already had to increase their budget to more than $900,000 after seeing what they would get for $800,000. ‘I don’t think I’m going to find a bargain,’ said Lan, 30. ‘I’m just hoping to find a home that’s not terribly overpriced.’”

From Mortgage News Daily. “A lot has been written over the past few weeks about the Millennial generation and what it is and is not doing in the housing market. Freddie Mac is speculating that misinformation was yet another factor keeping first-time homebuyers, the majority of which should at this point be Millennials, away from the housing market. Freddie Mac vice president Danny Gardner says that given current housing market conditions, ‘Millennials and other new households should be camping out at open houses.’”

“He cites record low interest rates, growing stability of housing markets, and that the millennial generation and growing immigrant communities are expected to produce about 1.2 million new households in each of the next ten years. Yet first-time homebuyers made up only 32 percent of primary home buyers last year compared to an average of 40 percent in the years before the housing crisis. What, he asks, will he take to get this first-timers into the market? His answer is information. The industry has to ‘drive a stake through a few stubborn myths that are draining life out of the market.’ Myths that lead potential buyers to overestimate the credit, income, and downpayment savings they need for an affordable mortgage.”

From Bloomberg. “Lenders are getting stingier when it comes to funding risky U.S. real estate developments, putting pressure on landlords in need of fresh funding to keep their projects afloat. Banks are proceeding with caution as the specter of slowing economic growth rattles financial markets and shakes investor confidence in a six-year recovery that’s helped lift property values to records.”

“A construction boom in places such as Manhattan and Miami in the past several years has led to a glut of high-end residential condos and hotels. Those types of deals are the most likely to hit snags, said Peter Sotoloff, chief investment officer at Mack Real Estate Credit Strategies. ‘The antennas are up,’ Sotoloff said. ‘The bar is much higher.’”

The Charlotte Observer in North Carolina. “A planned upscale condominium building at Fourth and Brevard streets has been canceled, with the developer citing difficulty getting enough units pre-sold to start the project. The luxury building, announced last year, was planned to total 31 stories with 174 units. Prices started in the $400,000s and ranged up to $7 million for the penthouse. ‘The marketing group for the project discovered post-launching that there is no pre-sale market of any depth for a condominium tower of this size and scale,’ a message posted on 1Brevard.com read.”

The Real Deal on Florida. “Developers of Marina Palms Yacht Club & Residences in North Miami Beach have raised commissions on the remaining units in an attempt to sell out. The 468-unit, twin-tower development has 40 unsold units remaining in the second 25-story tower. Marina Palms will pay its agents 7 percent of the full sales price on units sold with 40 percent deposits, according to a press release. That’s compared to the 6 percent commissions it was paying in stages.”

“Marina Palms joins two of Related Group’s projects that increased commissions this year. Related upped commissions to 10 percent, in addition to lowering deposit requirements, for Brickell Heights and SLS Lux. Terrazas Miami also offers 7 percent broker commissions as of a few months ago, according to a spokesperson. Most developments offer a standard 5 percent to 6 percent. Anthony Burns of DevStar said in the release that the change in commissions is a trend in the South Florida market. ‘You’re seeing other successful projects under construction with their construction financing in place that have a limited remaining inventory offer similar new incentives,’ he said.”

My Valley News in California. “Anyone who has a Temecula/Murrieta house they want to sell this year has been waiting for that ‘perfect time’ to put their home on the market and sell. Well, that moment has arrived. Traditionally (again there are always going to be exceptions) 60 percent of all home sales take place between May and August each year. The savvy seller who puts their home on the market in May is poised maximize their exposure in the marketplace. As spring turns to summer, more and more homes will enter the market, competing with buyer’s attention.”

“In 2013 we saw a spike in the local real estate market jump-starting the local economy with close to a 25 percent increase in real estate values. Multiple offers, over list price were the norm then. While many homeowners today have fallen into the trap of believing that the trend should repeat itself, there just has not been anything other than overly ambitious agents and hungry sellers fueling this dream.”

“The truth is, a huge percentage of homes that are selling are selling for significantly less than their initial list price. The longer a home sits on the market, overpriced, the less likely that they will receive a fair market offer. Buyers will feel a seller’s desperation to sell and come in with low-ball offers justifying their action with the belief that there must be something wrong with the home, otherwise it would have already have sold.”

“When pricing a home today, forget about what you think its worth. Don’t spend time looking on Zillow, Trulia or any of the other countless websites that offer an automated opinion of value. Rather work with a trusted real estate agent and carefully analyze the last 60 days of sold properties similar to yours and close to yours. At another time, I would suggest also looking at the active listings in the MLS; however today, many are so overpriced that it just skews the numbers. Remember, the value is what someone is willing to pay for it – it has nothing to do with your plans, dreams or expectations.”




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Comment by Mugsy
2016-03-17 02:45:32

Jennifer Lan and her husband, Jared Tompkins, who are both physicians finishing residencies in Memphis, Tennessee, started hunting for their first house near her parents in Potomac, Maryland, last month and have already had to increase their budget to more than $900,000 after seeing what they would get for $800,000. ‘I don’t think I’m going to find a bargain,’ said Lan, 30. ‘I’m just hoping to find a home that’s not terribly overpriced.’”

I love it when the best and brightest allow themselves to be fleeced. I hope they’re both neurosurgeons and not GP’s otherwise between the school debt, malpractice insurance and mortgage payments they will have to put off having children for quite a few years.

Comment by Professor Bear
2016-03-17 03:26:43

Millennials with bank are predestined to become the bagholders of the Echo Bubble when it bursts.

 
Comment by Jake
2016-03-17 05:14:29

There a whole lot of fraud going on at that price.

 
Comment by Sean
2016-03-17 06:55:47

Years ago there was an aspiring TV writer who wrote a pilot episode and series about his hometown Potomac, Maryland. The show revolves around the uber-rich kids he went to high school with and their social problems. It was called “Potomac 20854″, and a few Hollywood producers developed it, but they didn’t think viewers would enjoy a show located in the most upper class neighborhood of DC, so they kept the concept but moved the location to California, and called it “Beverly Hills 90210″.

So when Mr. And Ms. Doctor moved back to their hometown of Potomac and complain about not being able to find a $800,000 house, just picture whiny rich kids who have real problems. God forbid they move to a slum like Bethesda.

 
Comment by acutehemroid
2016-03-17 06:59:57

I looked at zillow for houses in Potomac. These people should rent. Everyone should rent in Potomac. Pricing for this crap is horrendous.
Roidy

Comment by Jake
2016-03-17 08:40:14

Exactly.

Why buy it when prices are falling? Rent for half the monthly cost, then buy later after prices crater for 65% less.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2016-03-17 07:16:14

Here’s what $860K will buy you in hoity-toity Potomac: A Frank Lloyd Wright design marketed as a tear-down:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Potomac-MD/fsba_lt/37257372_zpid/47210_rid/any_days/pricea_sort/39.010081,-77.150846,38.962245,-77.240624_rect/13_zm/0_mmm/?3col=true

4/3 1567 sq ft (tight fit).
Land 0.95 acre (there’s the value)
Last sold April 1982 $160K (Grandma finally died?)

To be fair, looks like FLW was having a bad day when he designed this one. It totally screams 1968 modernist. But still, it would be a shame to see a halfway unique house torn down for yet another mansion.

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This is more typical of the mansions in Potomac (2 million):

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Potomac-MD/fsba_lt/house_type/37269162_zpid/47210_rid/any_days/pricea_sort/39.031486,-77.154279,38.983665,-77.244058_rect/13_zm/0_mmm/

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Maybe this $925K comparatively plain-jane house is what our physician couple has in mind. After all, they need to “entertain.” :roll:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Potomac-MD/fsba_lt/house_type/37263894_zpid/47210_rid/any_days/pricea_sort/39.051885,-77.150331,39.004078,-77.240109_rect/13_zm/0_mmm/

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Comment by taxpayers
2016-03-17 07:47:31

Cancelled project”
I wonder how much $ foes in just to getting approval of plans etc.

Comment by scdave
2016-03-17 08:07:13

I wonder how much $ foes in just to getting approval of plans etc. ?

Around here if you are starting with a vacant lot its roughly speaking around $40. per foot to be able to put a shovel in the ground…

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Comment by Jake
2016-03-17 08:37:03

Building permits are in the $50-$2000 range.

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Comment by taxpayers
2016-03-17 10:10:21

proffers are allot higher
often subjectively prices
schools, roads, wonderment

 
Comment by Jake
2016-03-17 12:18:10

Permits are what they are and they’re not much. School and roads have nothing to do with it.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2016-03-17 08:39:04

02/25/16 Listed for sale $1,997,500-4.9% $211 Long & Foster …
11/25/15 Listing removed $2,100,000 $222 Long & Foster …
07/07/15 Price change $2,100,000-10.6% $222 Long & Foster …
06/04/13 Listing removed $2,350,000 $248 Washington Fin…
05/17/13 Price change $2,350,000 $248 Washington Fin…
04/23/13 Listing removed $x,xxx/mo – –
04/21/13 Listed for rent $x,xxx/mo – –
02/09/13 Listed for sale $2,450,000-16.9% $259 Washington Fin…
03/11/11 Listing removed $2,950,000 $311 Long & Foster …
03/09/11 Price change $2,950,000-17.5% $311 Long & Foster …
03/27/10 Price change $3,575,000-4.7% $377 Long & Foster …
03/27/10 Listed for sale $3,750,000+1,100% $396 Long & Foster …
09/12/94 Sold $312,500 $33

Comment by Professor Bear
2016-03-17 20:23:49

“+1,100%”

Dreamer…

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Comment by Ethan in Northern VA
2016-03-17 08:16:25

Their parents probably have money and might be helping them out.

$900K is probably what all the nicer houses are pushed to. They will get a LOT more for their money @ $900K versus $700K.

 
Comment by Puggs
2016-03-17 08:29:51

And they have maybe 200 - 300K in med school debt?

Comment by steadykat
2016-03-17 13:45:58

200-300K each. I know Doctors that have been out of school for over ten years that are still over $200,000 in the hole in relation to their student loans.

Compounded interest rates can be a real b-tch.

 
 
Comment by Jake
2016-03-17 08:52:49

It’s long been known that MD’s aren’t very business savvy.

Paying multiples of construction cost of $55/sq ft(lot, labor, materials and profit) for a depreciating asset like a house is never a good idea no matter what your stock in trade.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2016-03-17 15:35:54

Americans looooove their debt.

 
Comment by Sacks of Dong
2016-03-17 16:36:37

said Lan, 30. ‘I’m just hoping to find a home that’s not terribly overpriced.’”

So I guess just go ahead and buy one that’s only badly overpriced eh Doctor? Thank you Jennifer for affirming the 2nd Basic Law of Human Stupidity:

“The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2016-03-17 20:27:44

She’s a medical doctor married to another one, which means they can afford to be financially stupid.

 
 
Comment by rms
2016-03-17 18:14:15

“…they will have to put off having children for quite a few years.”

Can’t have kids with the market the way it is… definitely not!

Comment by Tarara Boomdea
2016-03-18 10:16:37
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-03-17 03:30:31

‘Millennials and other new households should be camping out at open houses.’

Try not to catch yourself a falling knife.

Comment by Combotechie
2016-03-17 05:41:29

“The industry has to ‘drive a stake through a few stubborn myths that are draining life out of the market.’ Myths that lead potential buyers to overestimate the credit, income, and downpayment savings they need for an affordable mortgage.”

“affordable mortgage”. No mention at all about an affordable price, only an affordable mortgage.

I imagine this is a tough sell to millennials who grew up in an era of RE boom and bust and who got to watch their families and their friend’s families get their financial lives and peace of mind destroyed by what they personally experienced and saw going around them regarding “affordable mortgages” and prices that weren’t.

I remember once reading about a lady that said “I was lucky in that I grew up during the Great Depression”. I thought that was something that was a bit strange to say but after thinking about it a bit I realized that it was possibly the best financial education she could ever receive. Maybe it’s the same with these millennials.

Comment by Blue Skye
2016-03-17 05:48:10

The generation with an education will be the children of the millennials. We haven’t had the crash yet.

That Freddie Mac guy sure sounds like he works for the NAR.

The conclusion of the article says ” This suggests the highest demand among millennials is for cheaper housing in counties with improving economies.”

No wonder these guys make the big bucks.

 
 
Comment by Goon
2016-03-17 06:24:26

camping out at open houses

I’ll keep renting and saving 25-50% of my income every month and go camping outside in the mountains 40+ weekends of the year instead.

Annual pass to _all_ national parks is only $80.

Comment by GuillotineRenovator
2016-03-17 12:18:37

Not to mention the freedom to move whenever you see fit. A house is like a boat anchor.

Comment by Blue Skye
2016-03-17 12:37:18

Not really. A boat anchor is like a tent stake.

A house is like a millstone.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2016-03-17 20:28:58

A house is like a boat anchor…chained to the home owner’s anchor before he is forced to walk the plank.

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Comment by Bluto
2016-03-17 12:06:55

From what I’ve read and heard plenty of Millennials believe with good reason that job security is a thing of the past for most of them…so renting rather than buying is a smart decision if they are correct.

Comment by Jake
2016-03-17 12:16:37

Given the fact that renting is a small fraction of the cost of buying at current grossly inflated asking prices, you’d have to have rocks in your head to do anything but rent.

Comment by Ben Jones
2016-03-17 13:45:47

‘It’s not the news that realtors and mortgage brokers want to hear but Freddie Mac says that the vast majority of renters are not ready to make a move into home ownership.’

‘A survey has found that, even though rents keep rising and mortgage rates are still low, 70 per cent of renters believe that renting is more affordable than homeownership. More than half (55 per cent) are not planning to buy a home for at least three years.’

“Renting is becoming a popular choice among many age groups,” said David Brickman, executive vice president of Freddie Mac Multifamily. “While most renters still have favorable views toward homeownership and aspire to it, many choose to rent because they view it as more affordable and a better fit for their lifestyle right now.”

‘Forty-six per cent of all respondents and 54 per cent of millennials say that renting is a good choice for now.’

http://www.mpamag.com/news/morning-briefing-blow-to-housing-market-as-renters-dont-plan-to-buy-29523.aspx

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Comment by Ben Jones
2016-03-17 06:28:56

‘Banks are proceeding with caution as the specter of slowing economic growth rattles financial markets and shakes investor confidence in a six-year recovery that’s helped lift property values to records. A construction boom in places such as Manhattan and Miami in the past several years has led to a glut of high-end residential condos and hotels.’

‘The amount of outstanding U.S. mortgages for multifamily homes rose to $1.06 trillion in 2015, up 10.4 percent from a year earlier, which was its fastest annual pace since 1993, a U.S. industry group said. The rise in multifamily loans helped propel the growth in commercial real estate mortgages by the largest amount since 2007, the Mortgage Bankers Association said.

Last year’s pickup in commercial lending coincided with the resilience in the single-family housing market in a steady U.S. economy. Home resales jumped by a record of nearly 15 percent at an annual pace of 5.47 million units in 2015, while housing starts average over 1.11 million units last year, the highest since 2007.’

‘Developers broke ground at a rate of 382,000 multifamily homes at the end of 2015, compared with 356,000 units a year earlier.’

“While 2015 marked many new records, recent market and regulatory changes have the potential to impact the availability of commercial and multifamily mortgage debt during 2016,” said Jamie Woodwell, MBA’s vice president of commercial real estate research.’

’starts average over 1.11 million’

For years they complained, “we should be over a million”. Well, now you are, stop complaining? “recent market and regulatory changes have the potential to…”

Waah! Jamie fall down, have boo-boo!

 
Comment by Larry Littlefield
2016-03-17 08:38:25

It’s not enough for younger generations to inherit the federal debt, unfunded retirement promises and a deteriorated infrastructure. Generation Greed wants high prices paid for its houses too.

Comment by Jake
2016-03-17 09:03:11

“Generation Greed wants high prices paid for its houses too.”

Considering housing demand is collapsing to record lows, it’s not working out too well for them.

Suggestion? Want in one hand and $hit in the other and see which fills up quicker.

 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2016-03-17 08:42:26

Arlington, VA Housing Market Implodes; Prices Plunge 9% YoY As Mortgage Defaults Balloon

http://www.zillow.com/arlington-va-22207/home-values/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2016-03-17 08:43:27

I just got this in an email:

21614 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY, MALIBU, CA | $15,950,000

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/21614-Pacific-Coast-Hwy-Malibu-CA-90265/20552124_zpid/

03/09/16 Listed for sale $15,950,000+17.9% $3,108 Westside Estat…
06/06/08 Sold $13,534,000-9.7% $2,637 Public Record

02/29/08 Listing removed $14,995,000 $2,922 Homes & Land
02/01/08 Listed for sale $14,995,000+173% $2,922 Homes & Land
08/28/03 Sold $5,500,000+41.9% $1,071 Public Record

08/18/00 Sold $3,875,000 $755 Public Record

Comment by Professor Bear
2016-03-17 20:32:55

“08/18/00 Sold $3,875,000 $755 Public Record…
+41.9%…+173%…
06/06/08 Sold $13,534,000-9.7% $2,637 Public Record”

Seems like Public Record is always the greater fool!

 
Comment by Wittbelle
2016-03-17 20:52:26

Who, me worry about sea level rise? Naw…

 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2016-03-17 08:47:55

San Diego, CA Housing Market Caves; Prices Crater 9% YoY On Plunging Demand For Housing Statewide

http://www.zillow.com/san-diego-ca-92130/home-values/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2016-03-17 08:58:55

‘In 2013 we saw a spike in the local real estate market jump-starting the local economy with close to a 25 percent increase in real estate values. Multiple offers, over list price were the norm then. While many homeowners today have fallen into the trap of believing that the trend should repeat itself, there just has not been anything other than overly ambitious agents and hungry sellers fueling this dream.’

‘The truth is, a huge percentage of homes that are selling are selling for significantly less than their initial list price.’

And these are UHS. I wonder why the media isn’t saying the same thing?

Comment by GuillotineRenovator
2016-03-17 12:49:00

The difference between now and the previous bubble peak, at least that I’ve noticed around Seattle, is that while some properties and neighborhoods have eclipsed that peak, the outlying areas have not even come close to approaching it.

 
 
Comment by Puggs
2016-03-17 13:14:04

….and have already had to increase their budget to more than $900,000 after seeing what they would get for $800,000.

YOU. WILL. OVERPAY!!

 
Comment by Sacks of Dong
2016-03-17 17:02:06

John Occhi: “Anyone who has a Temecula/Murrieta house they want to sell this year has been waiting for that ‘perfect time’ to put their home on the market and sell. Well, that moment has arrived.”

Realtor scum.

http://activerain.com/profile/mrhemet

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-03-17 17:57:18

Does it seem to others like the Echo Bubble has begun to deflate and the MSM is completely missing the scoop?

Typical.

Next up: “Nobody could have seen it coming!” (Again!)

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2016-03-17 19:18:06

Miami Beach, FL Housing Market Implodes; Prices Crater 9% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/miami-beach-fl/home-values/

 
Comment by phony scandals
2016-03-22 05:41:03

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