August 17, 2016

The Bubble In Land Prices Has Already Happened

The Pioneer Press reports from Minnesota. “According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the price of farmland, averaged across the whole country, fell in 2015. That puts the official seal on what people involved with farming in the Midwest have felt for two years — that the peak of the farmland price boom has passed and that there is considerable potential to fall. This drop also gives teachers like me examples to use when discussing the work of a broad range of economists. British economist David Ricardo of early 19th century, laid out how interest rates and the income derived from some asset combine to determine the market price of that asset. If the applicable interest rate rises, the price of the asset — whether it be a share of stock, a bond or an acre of Jackson County farmland — falls. When rates fall, as they did in 2008-09, asset values rise.”

“Similarly, when the net income rises from an asset such as interest on bonds, rents on South Minneapolis apartments or net profits from growing corn, the value of the asset itself rises. But when such annual income drops, the market value of the asset itself also drops.”

“For a perpetual asset, one such as farmland that can conceivably produce income forever, the rational market value at any time is simply the annual income divided by the interest rate expressed as a decimal. This assumes that both the interest rate and annual income will not vary in the future.

Note these careful qualifications. The calculated value is that which a rational person would pay. There is nothing of buying out of ‘irrational exuberance’ or selling in a herd mentality. And the calculation depends on assumptions about the future that we all know will not hold true. Yale economist and Nobel laureate Robert Shiller. He is tied to the USDA announcement in several ways. First, he is an expert in the economics of real estate who correctly identified the housing price bubble leading up to 2006 and predicted its collapse. Secondly, he has been studying U.S. farmland price patterns over the last decade and argues that there now is an unsustainable bubble in those prices. Third, he is a leader among those contemporary economists who question Ricardo’s ‘what would a rational person do’ theorizing as inadequate.”

“So as someone who predicted at least four years ago that farmland prices would drop and whose work focuses on why bubbles develop in the first place, Shiller is the economist of the hour. The implications of the drop in farmland prices reach further, however, to macroeconomists like Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen, former Minneapolis Fed chief Narayana Kocherlakota and Paul Krugman, another Nobel economst. All have been champions of the ultra-low interest rate policy pursued by the Fed over the past seven years.”

“And all three discount the effects of such low interest rates on asset prices. That is a serious error. Now the Yellen-led Fed is inching interest rates up, but the bubble in land prices has already happened.”

The Cattle Network. “Midwest and Midsouth farm income and quality farmland values continued to decline during the second quarter of 2016, according to the latest Agricultural Finance Monitor published by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. The survey was conducted from June 15-June 30, 2016. ‘In general, farmers in our region have only been able to survive declining commodity prices the past 24 months due to conservative spending, improved efficiency, and good crop yields,’ an Arkansas lender said. ‘A reduction in the yield or quality of crops, increases in input costs, or continued low commodity prices could be the tipping point for many under-capitalized operations. No producer can out-yield low prices.’”

The South Bend Tribune. “Across the nation, farmland has dipped in value — a trend that began last year. Recently, a tract of farmland in neighboring Illinois sold for $11,800 an acre. Less than two years ago, it might have fetched $14,000 an acre. In Indiana, the average price paid per acre for top-quality farmland declined $500 between June of 2015 and June of 2016 to $8,700, according to Farmers National Co., a farm and ranch management and real estate sales and appraisals firm.”

“‘The rise was caused by a big shift in demand from two sources,’ said Craig Dobbins, an agricultural economist with Purdue University who compiles the survey. ‘The Chinese decided to buy a lot of oil seeds, or soybean seeds, and the other was an energy policy that said we should make ethanol from corn.’ Farmers were benefiting from unexpectedly high profits and the low long-term interest rates that existed during and after the recession, he said.”

The Corn & Soybean Digest. “Now that grain prices have dipped below the break even mark, the next cost to decline is rental ground. That was one of the major findings in a report out by Rabobank Aug. 16. The report said that rent values need to begin dropping in 2017-2018 in order to balance with lower commodity prices over the long term. This will mean the value of land will also fall lower. If rental costs don’t fall, then the land assets will face deeper devaluation because farmers will cut and abandon nutrient and crop protection programs.”

“According to Rabobank, land rents have not fallen because many farmers still had ample working capital from the profits made in 2006-2013. The availability of cash in the farm business and farmers’ desire to control land in the longer term, combined with land owners’ reluctance to accept reduced income have to led to bidding wars which has kept rental values above breakeven levels. As working capital dries up it will mean an end to the bidding wars for land at rates above the breakeven marks.”

“Three factors farmers need to keep their eye on when it comes to land values is weather volatility. This year, farmers may see even bigger losses because of the bumper crops expected in corn and soybeans which will mean low land values this year. Another concern is interest rates. They are the most significant threat to land values. A substantial interest rate increase would drive mortgage payments higher and require land values to decline in order for farmer to make a profit.”

“The final factor is the aging farmer and their impact on agricultural land values. As more farmers reach retirement, more will be pressed to sell their land because they won’t want a declining net worth and decreased annual income from rental payments. This would increase the supply of commodity land for sale is likely to depress land values.”

The Gazette. “With corn and soybeans prices continuing to languish at low levels, Iowa farmers slashed their capital spending in 2015, according to new data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Agricultural Statistics Service. Farmers spent $610 million in 2015 for tractors and self-propelled machinery, down 34 percent from $920 million in 2014. Spending on farm improvements fell 31 percent to $880 million last year from $1.3 billion in 2014.”

“Deere and Kinze have felt the impact of lower farm implement purchases. Both companies have reduced their payrolls through layoffs as sales have declined in recent years. Truck and auto purchases by Iowa farmers were down 30 percent to $210 million in 2015 from $300 million in 2014, and miscellaneous capital expenses dropped 25 percent to $30 million in 2015 from $40 million the previous year.”

The Progressive Farmer. “A year ago, university economists warned that typical Illinois corn farmers would need to shave $100 an acre off average cash rent and production costs if they hoped to break even in 2016. Renters hesitated, landlords balked, most input suppliers held firm. Big savings didn’t happen. Now, worse prospects for 2017 grain markets mean many cash renters will have little choice but to plead poverty when renewing leases this fall. What’s different this time is that farm lenders will be the referees making sure rent gets knocked down a serious notch or two, some analysts caution.”

“Three consecutive years of falling farm incomes from 2014-2016 will have ‘evaporated’ working capital below acceptable credit standards for many producers, cautioned Sterling Liddell, an economist with Rabobank’s Food and Agribusiness Research group. In a new report on cash rents and land values, Liddell wants landowners to get a wake-up call when land rents are renegotiated this fall.”

“‘Right now, from what we gather, farmers are on the edge of their liquidity. In other words, they’ve burnt their liquidity due to high land rent and negative returns. They are now financing with equity or dipping into the wealth accumulated over their lifetimes, just to finance production. That’s a fairly ominous position to be in,’ he told DTN.”

“Mid-year reports from bank regulators confirm deteriorating credit quality among crop and cattle producers. Last week, a Kansas City Federal Reserve survey estimated that as of June 30, 7% of farm loans had major or severe repayment problems, but the share of loans with at least minor repayment issues had bounced to 22%. In the mountain states, 30% of farm loans had some type of repayment problem. Results in that region reflect a high dependence on wheat, cattle and energy leases, all of which have experienced steep declines in recent years. Lenders in the Corn Belt estimate that roughly 20% to 25% of borrowers could have some financial difficulty by next season if profitability doesn’t improve.”

“Now the multi-year farm recession has taken a toll, Liddell said. ‘At the end of the day, the real gatekeeper on this is credit, the ability to finance. If you simply cannot finance because you don’t have [enough] working capital and value of crop isn’t strong, you won’t have the money to bid into land,’ he told DTN. Bank standards generally require liquid, working capital reserves of at least 20% of cost of production to qualify for credit, he added, and many operators risk flunking that test.”




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Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2016-08-17 08:02:32

Pleasanton, CA Affordability Improves As Housing Prices Dive 4% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/pleasanton-ca/home-values/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2016-08-17 08:16:57

‘The implications of the drop in farmland prices reach further, however, to macroeconomists like Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen, former Minneapolis Fed chief Narayana Kocherlakota and Paul Krugman, another Nobel economst. All have been champions of the ultra-low interest rate policy pursued by the Fed over the past seven years.’

‘And all three discount the effects of such low interest rates on asset prices. That is a serious error. Now the Yellen-led Fed is inching interest rates up, but the bubble in land prices has already happened.’

As many articles on this as are out there, why hasn’t the big media caught on? Anyway, Yellen, you did it again. This afternoon I’ll have another market that’s gone too far.

Comment by The Selfish Hoarder
2016-08-17 08:29:02

I don’t see interest rates rising for several years so I think stocks and long term bonds will do very well in the meantime. It is a great time to accumulate gold every few months though. Gold is going to be in $1400 to $1050 territory another year or two and then it will take off. Might as well enjoy 8% annual gains in the S&P 500 index funds a few more years, plus dividends!

Comment by TheCentralScrutinizer
2016-08-17 08:46:41

” Might as well enjoy 8% annual gains in the S&P 500 index funds a few more years, plus dividends!”

Hold my beer and watch this!

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2016-08-17 09:03:17

Most likely no one knows what the price of gold will be in two years in dollar terms. It is a bet that central banks can stop Deflation. Not a sure thing.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 18:49:00

With rising geopolitical tensions and conflicts, a criminal sociopath neocon bungler with serious health issues as our next President, Keynesian fraudsters in charge of our central banks, and a truly insane debt pyramid - not to mention a massive derivatives overhang in the hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars - gold is going to be a moon shot. Although buying canned goods and ammunition might be more prudent.

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Comment by tangouniform
2016-08-17 22:02:17

Following along the train of “thought” outlined by Trump’s recent comments, the 2nd Amendment and a supply of ammo can “take care of” the acquisition of canned goods.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by The Selfish Hoarder
2016-08-17 08:19:25

I am thinking gold is in a short term peak and is going to drop below $1200 this Fall. Still holding onto my 1,000 shares of Yamana but I just bagged a 20% and 78% long term gain on 200 shares of GDX and 757 shares of GDXJ.

I think I need to focus on finishing my collection of quarter ounce eagles and I buy some more in three months. I anticipate the price to tumble back to a Fall bargain price to load up.

In the long run miners will do,very well. 5 years they will double or triple. But they will take a big hit this fall. Might buy them back in the fall.

Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 10:41:44

Are you holding, anticipating a big drop?

Comment by The Selfish Hoarder
2016-08-17 10:59:51

Holding physical, selling mining stocks. Will buy more physical in the Fall and maybe mining sd stocks next year or more

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2016-08-17 08:28:35

‘Farm credit conditions are already deteriorating and USDA’s most recent crop report only provided more gray clouds to an already gloomy outlook.’

‘Consider this new report (http://bit.ly/1QkuzMG) from the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, which paints a dim picture of agriculture credit conditions in the nation’s heartland.’

‘The survey of ag lenders throughout the seven-state 10th District covered by the bank shows credit conditions continued to deteriorate in the second quarter of 2016 as farm income “remained subdued.” The district includes western Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Colorado and northern New Mexico.’

‘here are the cautionary notes coming in from some of the bankers in the 10th District:

• “Current low commodity prices will continue to drag on income. Operators are looking at all avenues to reduce their production and family living expenses.” – Southeastern Colorado

• “Many of our farmers work outside jobs. So, to date, we have found solutions for all borrowers.” – Western Missouri

• “Lower commodity prices are a big worry for grain and cattle. There is concern over what debt might exist after crops and cattle are sold.” – Southwestern Kansas

• “Cash rents fell a little in the area but not as much as expected. Less good-quality farm ground is selling but is still bringing a good price. Marginal ground has declined.” – Southeastern Nebraska

• “Farm financial conditions continue to deteriorate.” – Northeastern Kansas

• “Lower commodity prices are affecting the spending and payback of local farmers. Many are paying their interest and extending their notes in hope that prices will rise this fall at harvest time.” – Southwestern Missouri

• “All cash rents have weakened, and if commodity prices don’t stabilize or improve, I would anticipate rents to continue to weaken.” – Western Oklahoma

• “We have seen a lot less machinery and equipment spending in the past year due to farmers having less cash from crops. We also expect to see less spending by ranchers with the reduction of cattle prices.” – Northeastern Colorado

• “Bumper wheat crop will help, but increased local basis will really hurt local producers.” – Southwestern Kansas

Nearly 75 percent of bankers responding to the survey reported farm income was down from a year ago. Bankers also indicated they expect farm income to remain weak in the third quarter.

“Persistent declines in farm income in the district have continued to affect agricultural credit conditions,” according to the report’s authors, Nathan Kauffman, the bank’s assistant vice president and Omaha Branch executive, and Matt Clark, assistant economist. “Slimmer profit margins also have pulled down the rate of loan repayments. Almost half of all respondents reported that loan repayments rates in the second quarter were lower than a year ago. In addition, the severity of repayment rate problems has increased slightly over the past year.”

Lower prices ahead

‘Shortly after that report was released, USDA predicted bin-busting corn and soybean harvests this year, with record yields — and lower prices — projected for the nation’s two most valuable crops.’

http://www.farmforum.net/news/columnists/how-tough-will-credit-conditions-be-this-fall/article_8141c909-d414-5742-a559-4ff8c5791eb8.html

Comment by The Selfish Hoarder
2016-08-17 08:45:06

Cash is king. But i like it in brokerage accounts instead of treasurydirect t bills now.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2016-08-17 09:09:00

What did they expect with a crashed commodities market?

Ribeye steak has yet to come down by a penny at the butcher counter. It is interesting that the raw inputs crash long before the high end finished goods price, just like any other market.

Comment by TheCentralScrutinizer
2016-08-17 09:27:10

I don’t know about the meat industry, but the produce industry is populated by layers and layers of the sleaziest brokers imaginable. They’ll hold store prices up and pocket the difference, while tons of food rots.

Comment by Apartment 401
2016-08-17 09:39:14

I like the scene in The Grapes Of Wrath where they pour gasoline over tons of oranges and burn them :)

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Comment by Bluto
2016-08-17 10:31:09

BTW if you like noir books and movies “Thieves’ Market” by A.I. Bezzerides is excellent and is about crooked produce brokers and wildcat trucking waay back in the ’40’s in California…the author lived it. Was also adapted as a film noir called “Thieves’ Highway”, not as good but still worth watching

A dark, fast-paced proletarian novel originally published in 1949, Thieves’ Market was written out of the author’s youthful experiences as a trucker carrying produce to the packing houses of California’s Central Valley. Immigrant Nick Garcos, like his father before him, becomes an independent trucker, soon landing in the brutal and crooked underworld of the produce markets of San Francisco, Oakland, Stockton, and Los Angeles. A dark, fast-paced proletarian novel originally published in 1949, Thieves’ Market was written out of the author’s youthful experiences as a trucker carrying produce to the packing houses of California’s Central Valley. Immigrant Nick Garcos, like his father before him, becomes an independent trucker, soon landing in the brutal and crooked underworld of the produce markets of San Francisco, Oakland, Stockton, and Los Angeles.

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Comment by The Central Scrutinizer
2016-08-17 12:02:17

Who knew there was a broccoli mafia?

 
Comment by dwkunkel
2016-08-17 12:58:53

In the 70’s, I worked as a truck driver hauling produce from the west coast to the Midwest and Iowa pork back to the west coast.

At the time, Sunkist controlled the orange market and orange farmers had to sell their oranges at the price dictated by Sunkist. A normal load of oranges would be about 1000 boxes.

One time after I had finished getting the truck loaded, I checked the invoice and found only 800 boxes listed at the Sunkist price. There were another 200 boxes listed as “Free Samples”.

The buyer was getting a 20% discount.

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 13:15:07

Patronize honest farmers’ markets and food co-ops and circumvent these shysters.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ethan in Northern VA
2016-08-17 08:29:06

Regarding the Cisco news, I work in datacenter and Cisco pretty much lost their way. All I see is Juniper for routing, and a ton of Arista for switches. Cisco was too late to innovate after the 6509 series it seems.

As far as Northern VA. Stupid neighbors keep overpaying. These Indian families just pay whatever, and I suppose the comps go up? I think they’ve driven the price of cut-and-paste brick front Loudon County Special townhomes about $100K over the two years I’ve been here.

In the meantime, time to start looking for higher paying jobs!

 
Comment by Apartment 401
2016-08-17 09:33:13

Buy a house today and you’ll face a lifetime of incalculable losses.

Comment by The Selfish Hoarder
2016-08-17 09:38:55

True. So true.

Comment by Apartment 401
2016-08-17 10:43:08

I’m in Salida having lunch, on my way to Silverton.

People in Denver with mortgages are slaves. Not only is Denver an overpriced traffic choked sh*thole, but you can’t even breathe there:

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/16/ground-level-ozone-pollution-alert-denver-front-range/

My shortlist of escape plans includes but is not limited to Salida, Gunnison, Montrose, Durango. Anyone, especially millennials, considering moving to Denver, just don’t. You will regret it…

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 13:16:21

I’m looking in the same areas. Please feel free to share your observations.

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Comment by In Colorado
2016-08-17 14:23:12

Aren’t most of those places even pricier than Denver?

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Comment by MightyMike
2016-08-17 14:45:20

There are probably already a lot of Denver millenials in those places. If not, there will be in a few years, making another move necessary.

 
 
 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2016-08-17 09:50:23

“face a lifetime of incalculable losses.”?

Some people don’t seem to care about incalculable losses. (other peoples anyway)

“I was curious if I could care about (money) on some fundamental level, and I couldn’t,”

Chelsea Clinton

Comment by phony scandals
2016-08-17 09:56:30

Chelsea Clinton was curious if she could like this song, but couldn’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpbbuaIA3Ds - 259k -

 
Comment by GuillotineRenovator
2016-08-17 12:13:56

She’s a joke, a fraud…

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 13:17:26

That apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

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Comment by azdude
2016-08-17 10:46:03

yellen has to keep talking about raising rates to keep the dollar strong.

The only possible way they would ever raise rates is if the dollar cratered in value.

Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 11:09:54

If we spend 6% of the budget on interest on the debt now, imagine if it goes up. We need to have a “dodger-moocher” as POTUS!

Under Governor Christie, Trump Casino Suspiciously Dodged Millions In Back Taxes

Comment by azdude
2016-08-17 11:45:29

We need the central banks to keep buying treasuries to pay the bills. They are 50% of the market. BOJ, ECB, SNB, BOE, they are all buying US stocks and bonds. If the artificial demand wasn’t there prices wouldn’t be so high.

Comment by The Central Scrutinizer
2016-08-17 12:04:45

It works perfectly! We’re all rich unless we sell!

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Comment by azdude
2016-08-17 12:18:36

It is easier to gamble in the rigged stock market than invest in your business.

Borrowing money to buyback stock is great way to increase CEO pay.

Until this casino hall closes the real economy where people actually have to produce will never recover.

I can see 10 year treasury yields going to zero before interest rates ever normalize. The hole has gotten so deep its about impossible to get out of.

There is no free lunch!

 
Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 13:34:51

If you are a congressman in your late 60’s, borrowing more is just too fun. You wont be around to pay the piper–so who cares?

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2016-08-17 12:01:43

After obama added more to the debt than all previous administrations combined and accounting for inflation - the simple answer is interest rates can never return to normal. The US government would be spending 50% of its budget on interest payments on the debt alone.

The Trump Casino declared bankruptcy. A bankruptcy judge decides who gets paid. I am sure NJ sweetened the deal to help keep it open after bankruptcy. Since you have no evidence to present to back up your accusations we can all assume it was legit.

Now compare to obama ignoring bankruptcy laws to destroy bondholders and reward unions in the GM bankruptcy. Funny how you don’t get upset about that. At least Trump operated in the laws….

Comment by GuillotineRenovator
2016-08-17 12:15:38

Still stuck in partisan blindness, huh?

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Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 15:48:47

funny the myths banana believes, I know s/he can google for the truth, but wont. I know there are people out there like this, usually on FB, not HBB.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2016-08-17 13:08:50

gm has plenty of money to buy lyft but no money to pay back taxpayers $10 billion we lost bailing them out

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/08/14/gm-wont-comment-report-move-buy-lyft/88718552/

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Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 13:18:58

I’m thinking that even the dolts who voted for Obama, McCain, and Romney are no longer falling for the incessant Fed jawboning about a supposedly imminent rate hike. Dolts, care to comment?

Comment by GuillotineRenovator
2016-08-17 13:55:10

It doesn’t matter if voter turnout drops to single digits, that’s who you’re getting, like it or not.

 
 
 
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Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2016-08-17 12:48:45

Northbrook, IL Housing Prices Tailspin 10% YoY As Housing Correction Gets Underway

http://www.zillow.com/northbrook-il/home-values/

Comment by taxpayers
2016-08-17 13:06:18

ok I’ll buy IL tanking
taxes up prices down
wow, r they going to get taxed hard

Comment by The Crushin' Russian
2016-08-17 14:23:55

Rents and prices tanking in Boston, NYC, SF and Miami. Do you really want to remain hitched to a donkey cart?

Miami, FL Housing Prices Post 4% Yearly Loss

http://www.zillow.com/miami-beach-fl/home-values/

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2016-08-17 12:58:06

i just found it the best cheap house on long island….really cheap

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/16/deer-park-rat-house-for-sale/

Comment by azdude
2016-08-17 13:15:59

tear it down to the studs and rebuild!

Now there is some sweat equity !

 
Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 13:38:02

What make Long Island a better place to live then say, Kansas City? Besides the rats…

Comment by MightyMike
2016-08-17 14:49:38

There are some nice beaches pretty close by. You can also hop on a train and go into NYC for the day. On the other hand, the cost of living is a lot higher than Kansas City. Though there are some people who have very good jobs in Manhattan, so they can pay the mortgage and property taxes easily.

Comment by The Crushin' Russian
2016-08-17 14:55:35

irrelevant.

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Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 15:46:56

Beaches - 2 mos of the yr and you have to drive to them still, no surf.

I don’t get why anyone lives in NYC area. Too many rats in a small, smelly cage.

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Comment by MightyMike
2016-08-17 16:21:01

It’s more like 3 or 4 months. The Atlantic is also warmer than the Pacific and some people surf.

Your remarks about NYC are similar to those dandroidz made yesterday. Some people like big cities. Some prefer suburbs. Some people like coffee and others like tea. Some prefer baseball and others football. I met a brother and a sister who grew up in Manhattan around 15 years ago. They’ve lived there their whole lives and would never want to live anywhere else. I think that the saying is that there’s no accounting for taste.

 
Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 16:57:54

Exposure to other places is key. A luxury once sampled becomes a necessity!

 
Comment by MightyMike
2016-08-17 17:10:10

The great thing about New York City is that it doesn’t have tornadoes like Kansas City, or earthquakes like California.

 
Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 17:17:43

How many people die in e-quakes? Tornadoes?
Then there are murders and 9/11 in NYC. Still not sold on the crowded, dirty, rat cage.

 
Comment by tangouniform
2016-08-17 22:13:27

Earthquakes? See http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/new_york/history.php

Tornados? See http://rochester.nydatabases.com/database/list-tornadoes-new-york-state

While we have 4 seasons of terror in SoCal (fire, flood, earthquake and riot) we haven’t had people flying large planes into large buildings. I’ll take “shake and bake” over “Jihad Bingo”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-08-18 05:26:22

“Still not sold on the crowded, dirty, rat cage.”

The appeal is something only New Yawkers grasp. And they also believe, in their smallish hearts, that everyone wants to live there. LOL!

 
Comment by Tarara Boomdea
2016-08-18 18:40:17

Born and raised New Yawker here. Straight from my smallish heart, I never thought everyone wants to live there. I no longer live there.

Three good things about an NYC upbringing:
- It makes you tough. Living there is not easy. I always say NYer’s are the most patient people on the planet since they put up with so much, generally politely.
- Since all day long you deal with people from all over the world, you are not quick to judge people who are different than you (shocking, I know.) When I did do that, and was proven wrong, I felt terrible.
- You become unflappable in everyday life (except for planes crashing into buildings, then not so much…)

I’ve always wondered why people are so quick to knock NYC. I would never be so rude to tell someone the place they live sucks. Way, way (way) back, I was on vacation talking to a guy who was telling me just that. I asked him, well, where do you live? Belfast, he said (this was in the era that violence there was rife.)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 13:29:49

Michigans public union members who aided and abetted the takeover of the state’s governance by corrupt, venal, incompetent Democrats - there is no other kind - are going to get the shock of their lives when they retire, only to discover the whores and swindlers they installed in office ripped them off, too. That wasn’t supposed to happen!

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/22653

 
Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 14:01:25

I would be interested to know what everyone pays per month for helath insurance. My in $452 a mo with Blue Shield, gov pays some, I pay some. What a scam! I used to pay $155 in 2005.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 15:21:15

You voted for Obama, right? This is what you call a tax on stupidity.

Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 15:43:40

Sorry, Romney’s magic pajamas gave me little faith–but he does look like a TV president.

I do like that South Park episode!!

And McSame??? Seriously? Now Trump.

know your party

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 18:43:36

They were all the same guy. I wrote in Ron Paul.

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Comment by In Colorado
2016-08-17 15:26:01

It’s about $1600 per month for the whole family. $1400 is covered by my employer.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 14:13:28

Are consumers finally balking at buying overpriced iCrap?

http://www.businessinsider.com/target-says-apple-product-sales-are-down-2016-8

Comment by azdude
2016-08-17 15:30:43

How did that sh@t become a status symbol?

Comment by MightyMike
2016-08-17 15:41:09

The iphone must have stopped being a status symbol quite a few years ago. So many people have them.

 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 14:21:19

Why would central banks “invest” in or hold US debt that Yellen is going to print (inflate) away?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-17/surprising-twist-global-central-banks-dump-record-335-billion-us-debt-past-year

 
Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 14:32:10

So Aetna cant make enough $$ under O’care….

I hate attorneys.

Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 15:40:13

And USA doctors cant make enough….

Do rates go down or up moving fwd?

 
 
Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 14:36:21

What Liberal wrote this yesterday?

Oh, they can figure out how to bomb the heck out of people all over the world, they can invent newer, better and more vicious weapons, they can come up with ways to track and spy on people, they can rig the markets to favor the scum of the earth, they can build the XL pipeline, all right. But they can’t figure out how to transfer water from inundated places like Louisiana to the dry gulch of California, no siree. Because that might be a good thing to do and might benefit people. Can’t have that,now, can we?

I agree, treat the USA like one big backyard, add sprinklers.

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2016-08-17 15:01:42

San Diego, CA Housing Prices Tumble 10% YoY As Price Declines Appear Statewide

http://www.zillow.com/san-diego-ca-92109/home-values/

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 15:25:06
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 15:26:08

“I am Cait” cancelled. I have no reason to go on.

Comment by azdude
2016-08-17 15:31:47

sad she will get another shot.

Comment by CalifoH20
2016-08-17 16:58:55

sad she will get another slot

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-08-17 18:42:03

“She” is a mentally confused dude masquerading as a she.

 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2016-08-17 15:51:22

Portland, OR Real Estate and Homes for Sale, 6,199

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Portland_OR/radius-10

Portland, OR Real Estate and Homes Price Reduced, 2,084

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Portland_OR/shw-pr/radius-10

34% of all Portland, OR sellers slashed their price at least once.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2016-08-17 18:39:50

the dumbing down of americans continue

http://nypost.com/2016/08/17/petition-wants-hs-principal-fired-for-pushing-academics/

boasts star graduates ranging from Nikki Minaj to Al Pacino.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-08-18 05:32:53

“This drop also gives teachers like me examples to use when discussing the work of a broad range of economists. British economist David Ricardo of early 19th century, laid out how interest rates and the income derived from some asset combine to determine the market price of that asset. If the applicable interest rate rises, the price of the asset — whether it be a share of stock, a bond or an acre of Jackson County farmland — falls. When rates fall, as they did in 2008-09, asset values rise.”

Economic fundamentals are dead.

Long live fundamentals!

 
Comment by The Crushin' Russian
2016-08-23 18:29:25

crater

 
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