September 3, 2016

The Greatest Single Drop In Canadian History

A report from CBC News in Canada. “There is no denying a wave of fear and loathing has hit Vancouver’s ebullient market in the wake of the provincial government’s tax on foreign buyers. Data collected by realtor Rob Chipman shows that not only sales but average prices seemed to be falling. The real estate board’s actual figures released Friday showed exactly that. Sales in Greater Vancouver fell in August by 23 per cent from the previous month and were down 26 per cent from August last year. The average price for a detached home plunged by almost $300,000 in a month to $1,470,265.”

“Fear may make speculators, especially those in debt over their heads, want to sell. But when markets are on the way down, potential buyers are hit by loathing, not wanting to be the ones left holding the baby as prices fall further. Leverage — buying on borrowed money — which propelled markets to new heights, goes into reverse.”

The Business News Network. “For RateSpy.com Founder Rob McLister, the biggest surprise was that ’scary’ drop in average home prices. ‘There is so much psychology driving this market. This 15 per cent foreign homebuyers’ tax is just a kick in the face,’ McLister told BNN in an interview. ‘This was not the time for this intervention.’”

“Realtor Steve Saretsky has already crunched MLS data for the month of August and he said sales of detached homes dropped 50 per cent in Richmond, Vancouver and Burnaby compared to the average number of sales in August between 2010 and 2014. He left August 2015 out of his calculation because it was an abnormally hot month.”

“Prices haven’t appeared to drop drastically since the introduction of the tax, said Saretsky, adding that he believes the levy has had more of an impact on local buyers who are waiting to see how prices are affected. ‘I actually think it took a lot of the demand on the local side out, not so much the foreign side,’ he said. ‘Nobody wants to buy in at the top of the market, so everyone is thinking this could be the thing that changes everything.’”

From CTV News. “Vancouver realtor Paul Eviston doubts the foreign buyer tax is entirely to blame for the lower sales numbers. Eviston said the market was showing ‘clear signs’ of cooling in terms of sales volume in June and May, and sellers have adjusted their expectations. ‘They’re realized we’re not in the same market we were in the spring,’ he said. ‘I think a lot of sellers have adjusted their expectations and selling prices to reflect what’s happening.’”

“He believes there was a ‘knee-jerk reaction’ after the tax introduction, but that in the long-term foreign buyers will accept the extra cost is ‘the cost of doing business in Vancouver.’ With a Vancouver market mired in uncertainty, the longtime realtor says this ‘is probably one of the best buying opportunities we’ve seen in the last 10 years.’ ‘For all the people that were complaining about affordability issues in Vancouver, take a hard look around to see what homes are listed at and remember this: The market won’t stay like this,’ he said.”

The Vancouver Sun. “For real estate consultant Ross Kay, figures like benchmark prices and year-on-year sales comparisons obscure what’s truly happening in Vancouver: the rapid deflation of an overvalued market that had been propped up by foreign buyers. Take the benchmark price, a statistic that tracks sale prices of ‘typical’ homes picked for things like age of the building, square-footage, number of rooms, and other factors. ‘Your benchmark price trails what is really going on in the market by up to eight months,’ said Kay, who is based in Ontario.”

“A better measure, he believes, is average price. According to the real estate board, the average price for detached houses in Metro peaked in January at $1.83 million, but has since fallen to $1.47 million, a drop of nearly 20 per cent. Across all housing types, average purchase prices have fallen by 26.3 per cent since the first quarter of 2016, according to Kay. ‘(It’s) the greatest single drop in Canadian history,’ he said. But, ‘I don’t like to set off panic either, because I know the damage that is done to poor old average homeowners in these cases.’”

“The real estate board also likes to talk about the ratio of sales to active listings, which is said to measure the balance of the market. That figure is calculated by comparing the total number of sales in a month by the number of listings on the Multiple Listing Service at the end of the month. For August, there had been 29.3 sales for every 100 listings on the MLS at month’s end, which the board says is a sign we’re still in a seller’s market and prices will continue to rise.”

“Kay prefers to look at the failure rate, which takes into account all of the listings available in the whole month, instead of just the listings at one point in time. Using those numbers, he calculated that 80.39 per cent of all homes on the Vancouver market last month failed to sell. ‘Only one in five was successful. In March, when your market was hot, 36.7 per cent were successful — double. That’s how much your market has collapsed,’ he said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2016-09-03 14:19:45

‘Prices haven’t appeared to drop drastically since the introduction of the tax, said Saretsky, adding that he believes the levy has had more of an impact on local buyers who are waiting to see how prices are affected. ‘I actually think it took a lot of the demand on the local side out, not so much the foreign side,’ he said. ‘Nobody wants to buy in at the top of the market, so everyone is thinking this could be the thing that changes everything.’

Well yeah, Steve, it was the idea of profiting off some Chinese teenager with Canadian pesos bulging out the trunk of her Maserati that got everybody excited. How true it was, who knows or cares?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2016-09-03 14:23:43

Where is that HBB basher Bob Rennie? Bob? Bob?

Bueler?

‘So you and your partner have decided to move into a tiny house or van! Congratulations! In your search for affordable housing you’ve discovered Vancouver Craigslist is the rental market equivalent of The Hunger Games. Yet you know the lifestyle squeeze is worth it. You’re ready to think inside the box: a very small one!’

‘Vision Vancouver is now putting out bids for “Traffic Circle Homes,” little luxury structures set in residential street intersections. These highly-affordable units will combine the style of a detached home with the security of constantly circling motor vehicles.’

‘Each Traffic Circle Home will come with a complimentary Lululemon yoga mat bearing an inspirational quote from local condo-flogger Bob Rennie!’

Comment by palmetto
2016-09-03 14:27:45

That is one of the BEST housing bubble pieces of sarcastic humor I’ve ever read.

Comment by TheCentralScrutinizer
2016-09-03 16:02:13

Indeed! I laughed so hard I shook loose my man bun.

 
 
Comment by Joshua Tree
2016-09-03 14:34:13

Watching a cast of useless flunkies(aka Realtors) implode is priceless.

Vancouver Home Sales Crash 23% In One Month As Prices Tumble

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-03/vancouver-home-sales-crash-23-one-month-prices-tumble

Comment by frankie
2016-09-03 15:16:46

“Tis but a scratch”

they have

“had worse”

 
 
Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 16:31:13

Ben,

You transported me back in time.

When I was a young lad, a station master and his family (wife and two daughters) lived within 10 feet of the railroad tracks. Literally.

They lived there free, in exchange for watching over the train station (which was in actuality was their house - they had a ticket window off their kitchen), taking train fares, issuing tickets, shoveling the snow, etc.

That “house” a two-story wood frame, gabled structure. Could not have been more than 600 square feet tops. Kitchen, bedroom, bathroom and likely a living room/dining room combo. And that’s it.

The structure used to shake on the occasions when the commuter trains did not stop at that spot on their way out of town.

Torn down in 1981 or 1982.

Seems we’re coming full circle since the 1940s/1950s. Tiny little structures, wealth creation, wealth destruction and back to tiny little houses.

‘Round the track we go!

Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 17:38:36

“The structure used to shake on the occasions when the commuter trains did not stop at that spot on their way out of town.”

That seems like a very high cost to pay in order to live for ‘free’.

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2016-09-04 05:07:09

Tiny house =45k
Used 30 ft travel trailer $10000
I’m confused

 
 
Comment by azdude
2016-09-03 14:53:32

Maybe the FED will set up shop and buy houses too.

Comment by Jesus Navas Is My Lord Savior
2016-09-03 15:34:33

They already have. Mortgage is #1 portfolio in Fed balance sheet.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 15:41:16

Isn’t buying Federally-guaranteed MBS tantamount to buying houses by the millions?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 15:47:42

Given the resounding success in using the foreign buyer tax to protect Vancouver citizens against foreign criminals driving their home prices out of reach, could similar measures be in store to protect U.S. citizens’ ability to buy an affordable home in their own communities? Why not go for a full moratorium on foreign buyer purchases of residential real estate in the U.S.?

Comment by TheCentralScrutinizer
2016-09-03 16:04:31

That would be racist, wouldn’t it?

Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 16:21:12

It most definitely would be anti-Open Borders.

I’m surprised that Bear even thought to suggest such a thing.

Then again, I’m not.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 16:24:34

No. The proper description is protectionist, as U.S. residential real estate markets would be protected against foreign buyers (of all races) making speculative investments that price out local taxpaying, voting citizens who comprise the local employment base. Who wins when the local workforce is priced out of living in nearby residential communities by foreign speculators?

Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 17:34:21

Is your statement also true of California locusts who first sell their properties for phat dollars, then move elsewhere, only to ruin the economics of their new communities?

You know, the California folks who price out local taxpaying, voting citizens who comprise the local employment base?

Who wins when the local workforce is priced out of living in nearby residential communities by out-of-state speculators?

I notice that NOT ONE long-term owner of property in California who frequents this board has ever complained about how the young and newcomers to California (either or both) get screwed royally by their elders when it comes to property taxes.

I DO notice the ever-increasing whining among Californians about Chinese newcomers.

To that, I say:

我可能有一定的同情, 惠及三百多, 他们把这一主题高达二十年前作出了真正的努力不为其他螺丝美国其他地方。 但他们没有, 所以我也不介意。 太坏, 这样悲伤的你。 可能你生活在有趣的时代。

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Comment by TheCentralScrutinizer
2016-09-03 17:38:24

When I was in California, I noticed that most of the people there were from someplace else. Get off your butt, get out there and get your loot, or quit complaining about those that did.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 17:39:55

“Is your statement also true of California locusts who first sell their properties for phat dollars, then move elsewhere, only to ruin the economics of their new communities?”

Hopefully we can differentiate between taxpaying U.S. citizens and foreign parasites who leach money out of the U.S.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 17:41:17

“I noticed that most of the people there were from someplace else.”

I notice that most Californians who work are from someplace else.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 18:17:34

People all over the country deride Californians. And they do so with considerable regularity.

There are plenty of people all over the country who have gotten off their butts and have theirs. Yet, rarely do you hear anyone anywhere complain about those folks.

Just why are Californians picked on so often?

Why aren’t wealthy people in Idaho, Wisconsin, Tennessee or Pennsylvania subject to ongoing ridicule and derision?

Why not think about that for a while, then offer a reasoned response?

You’re sick of all the negativity re: Californians. Fine, I get it. Want it to change?

Encourage people there to do some soul searching. Encouraging a bit of personal humility and dignity would be beneficial. Self-absorption and hedonism turn people off.

No one is more eager than a Californian to tell everyone else how wonderful they believe themselves to be. Revolting.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 18:41:00

“Hopefully we can differentiate between taxpaying U.S. citizens and foreign parasites who leach money out of the U.S.”

An excellent comment.

As we grow increasingly global, is yours a moot point anyway?

I think Ben’s comment earlier today about the US housing market being thisclose to being run entirely by the US government about sums it up.

As governments grow larger, differentiation becomes a non-starter. And the result is that increasing numbers of people everywhere get screwed. In the USA, witness the housing market and ObamaCare.

And that said, if true, it doesn’t matter if the Chinese are ruining your community or a Californian. Does it?

So why complain about the Chinese ruining your local economics? Your complaint is basically the same as an Idahoan complaining about Californians ruining the local economics in Nampa.

If it’s good for the Californian, then it’s good for the Chinese. No matter where each chooses to live, in another state or in another country. No matter who or what they displace. Right?

This is precisely the kind of thing that globalism and “open doors” leads to.

Like it?

The answer, whatever it is, lies in ethics not in economics.

 
Comment by spmk
2016-09-04 01:38:38

I’m an ex-Californian, born and raised. CA ain’t so bad but I was done with it after 40yrs.

Now I am a proud Oregonian. :-)

But mostly — A proud American.

 
Comment by spmk
2016-09-04 02:17:07

Before I moved to Eugene Oregon, I heard a lot about “anti-California” stuff way before I ever got here, and I admit, I was a little bit worried, but I just decided to be myself and go for it.

Turns out, for me, there was zero negativity and a lot of positivity. Everyone I’ve met, even if I revealed my original location, all totally cool to me. (Except for one dude one time…)

I think it has to do with attitude, it doesn’t matter where ya from.

“Real Cali” people like me are cool. hehehe. :-)

 
Comment by taxpayers
2016-09-04 05:09:55

You brought loot and no school age kids=welcome aboard
Send all rich foreigners to 22151

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 16:03:28

“The average price for a detached home plunged by almost $300,000 in a month to $1,470,265.”

Easy Come, Easy Go

Comment by Jesus Navas Is My Lord Savior
2016-09-03 16:32:49

Stupid chinese….and their borrowed money.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-09-03 17:09:47

The Yuan is going to crater - better to buy dollar-denominated assets while credit is still cheap.

Comment by Joshua Tree
2016-09-03 17:35:44

They’ll default regardless of currency.

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Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-09-03 16:24:55

Yellen the Felon can swindle the 99% with impunity, since fully 95% of them bend over for the Fed by voting for Wall Street water carriers.

http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/101139/sorry-losers

 
Comment by crdt
2016-09-03 16:25:22

Reporting from 40 kms east of ground zero (from Vancouver BC). In my neck of the woods people are still buying, SOLD stickers going up at a pretty steady pace, as if “it was different” here… Time will tell…

 
Comment by Let it burn
2016-09-03 16:57:55

I want to see it all burn in Vancouver too, but since when do we talk about average prices and not median? I’ll bet the median was little changed. Clearly an agenda.

Comment by Ben Jones
2016-09-03 17:40:27

It’s Canada. At least in Vancouver they don’t do median.

‘Your benchmark price trails what is really going on in the market by up to eight months,’ said Kay’

Look at the chart here:

https://www.biv.com/article/2016/9/metro-vancouver-housing-prices-drop-16-august/

That’s a blow up from late 2015 and an immediate reversal. Classic bubble top.

Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-04 05:49:12

Very interesting chart. It suggests that average SFR prices were essentially flat at $400K from 1994 through 2002, before launching off towards the stratospheric level of $1800K at the 2016 bubble top. A little math shows the average annual percentage rate of price increase during the fourteen year bubble runup was over 11%*. My hunch is that, like so many other price run-ups during the Housing Bubble era, this one was historically unprecedented.

Can anybody point to what changed after 2002 that lit the fuse? I visited a friend who lived in Vancouver fairly early during the period, I believe in 2006; they already new a bubble was underway at that point.

* ((1800 / 400)^(1 / 14)) - 1 = 0.11 = 11%

Comment by The Crushin' Russian
2016-09-04 10:36:28

Fraud. Precisely what’s been going on here since 1998.

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Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-09-03 17:12:53

Hope n’ change comes to Caterpillar as our Obama-Fed-Goldman Sachs “recovery” sees living-wage middle class jobs replaced by part-time waiter and bartender gigs. Forward!

http://www.pekintimes.com/news/20160902/caterpillar-layoffs-this-week-300-in-mossville-thousands-overseas

Comment by TheCentralScrutinizer
2016-09-03 17:40:22

A Caterpillar vs. Centipede battle to the death!

Am I doing it right?

 
Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 17:40:50

Part-time waiter and bartender gigs?

Well, thank goodness for open borders, as we know no Americans will be taking those jobs!

Actually, those laid off could very well come out ahead. It’s their chance to flee Illinois. What a disaster that state has become.

Comment by Ben Jones
2016-09-03 17:53:48

Bob Brinker says Caterpillar tells us all we need to know about the stock market. I wonder if he’ll mention this Sunday?

Comment by azdude
2016-09-03 18:05:15

overpriced sh@t?

Cat makes the best equipment but their prices have gotten out of control.

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Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 19:24:43

Why have their prices gotten out of control?

I have my theories. What are yours?

 
 
Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-03 19:29:55

Does Brinker even talk about the stock market anymore?

I haven’t listened in many a year.

I do occasionally read the following, which provides a synopsis of his show. For what it’s worth -

http://honeysbobbrinkerbeehivebuzz3.blogspot.com/

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Comment by Jesus Navas Is My Lord Savior
2016-09-04 06:52:03

What’s there to talk about…it always goes up.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-04 07:33:13

Not hardly.

Not long ago, I posted about how marginal (at best) the stock market has performed since 2000.

The common thought is that the stock market has been on a tear during the past 16 years. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Joshua Tree
2016-09-03 17:54:53

“Realtor Arrested For Having Sex In Recently-Sold House”

http://www.click2houston.com/video/realtor-arrested-for-having-sex-in-recently-sold-house

Comment by azdude
2016-09-03 18:06:52

gods work?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 18:18:39

Don’t Realtors have a God-given right to celebrate a successful home sale?

Comment by Ben Jones
2016-09-03 18:36:04

They should tack on a couple months probation for the Boston T-shirt the guy was wearing.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 18:24:08

Makes sense. After all, she worked for Simian Property.

Comment by helter skelter
2016-09-03 18:50:39

Realtors are monkeys?

Comment by Professor Bear
2016-09-03 19:32:48

It mentions in the video that the Realtor worked for Simian Properties. Draw your own conclusions.

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Comment by TheCentralScrutinizer
2016-09-03 19:47:26

They Like to monkey around.

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Comment by phony scandals
2016-09-03 20:15:42

Finally a helpful Realtor.

Slim Jim Real Estate (:30 Commercial) - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A-TxK9zrNw - 191k - Cached - Similar pages
6 days ago .

 
Comment by Bradford99
2016-09-03 21:59:37

Of course that’s how they calculate it. There are a bunch of listings that expire on the last day of the month. None of those count towards the total, since they were technically not on the MlS at 1159pm (which is conveniently when they take their count). But they are relisted the next day!

 
Comment by azdude
2016-09-04 05:22:15

ROCKET MORTGAGE B@TCHEZ!

Comment by taxpayers
2016-09-04 06:06:15

Did your parents even know or care about
Mort rates
Refi
Heloc availability ?

Comment by azdude
2016-09-04 06:19:46

no they have to produce something to get currency. all this funny money wasnt around.

 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
Comment by Jesus Navas Is My Lord Savior
2016-09-04 07:25:51

Amazon.com will suffer.

We have been checking out the items in stores & malls but ordering from Amazon. I guess that will have to end.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2016-09-04 08:05:10

The author asks “what will happen”?

I say turn deserted malls into low security prisons. They wouldn’t even have to change them much….and much of the population already views the mall experience as a form of punishment.

 
Comment by spmk
2016-09-04 13:42:58

FTA: “America has five times more square foot of shopping per person than any other country,” he said. “We’re so overstored it’s ridiculous.” ”

That is funny.

 
Comment by spmk
2016-09-04 13:50:02

Debt factories.

Comment by spmk
2016-09-04 14:07:27

One thing I never understood, seen it both in CA and OR.

They build a huge Walmart megastore, and then *directly* across the street — a huge Target.

Isn’t one enough?

 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2016-09-04 06:10:17

Stupid Venezuelans voted for collectivist kleptocrats who promised them endless freebies that someone else would pay for. The greedy Comrades of Proven Worth killed the goose that laid the golden eggs, and now the sheeple of Venezuela are hungry and angry. This, boys and girls, is what we call a teachable moment for the ‘tards who are voting America down the same path by marking “D” on their ballots.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/world/americas/venezuelan-president-is-chased-by-angry-protesters.html?_r=0

 
Comment by azdude
2016-09-04 06:24:52

I wonder if the canadians will basically start printing a sh@tload of money to try and stop prices from falling? Why not, everyone else is?

 
Comment by phony scandals
2016-09-04 06:43:47

The big MSM I don’t like her but I am going to vote for her anyway push is sweeping the Sunday morning shows.

I guess that’s what they came up with to offset the FBI’s Labor Day Document Dump.

Hillary, what does that big C stand for?

Jimmy Buffett- I Don’t Know (Spicoli’s theme) - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_oBVV1l86A - 376k -

 
Comment by phony scandals
2016-09-04 07:26:40

Where are the Funnies?

 
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