January 14, 2017

Flippers Bought Not One, But Two Or Three

A report from CBC News in Canada. “Real estate numbers show hundreds of new condos in Calgary are sitting empty. The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) says about 1,500 newly-built housing units sat vacant across the city last month and more than 800 were apartment-style condos. Calgary hasn’t seen that kind of new-build vacancy rate in 15 years, the organization says. Many of the empty condos were planned during an earlier boom, said Matthew Boukall, a senior director with Altus Group, a real estate advisory company. ‘We saw in 2014 a huge number of condos starting construction. It takes anywhere from 18 to 36 months to build a condo … So we’re actually seeing a natural progression of the market out of a hot market in 2014 into a slower market in 2015, 2016,’ he said.”

“Doug Hayden, a real estate agent with EXP Realty, says while it may be a good time to buy, he advises people to think long-term when purchasing a property and not to consider condos as an easy property to drop. ‘I’ve had people that have bought not one, but two or three of these, hoping to flip them or to rent them out, and where they really got caught is the rental market. They were planning on having rentals cover their investment in these and it’s not working out at all.’”

“Hayden says he is surprised that there are still companies pulling permits to build more condo buildings, although they may put those projects on hold. ‘There’s more inventory that looks like it is coming down the pipe,’ he said.”

From Post Media. “Calgary had about 1,500 newly constructed housing units that were vacant in December, a stunning glut not seen since June 2001, according to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. More than half of the current stockpile, about 800 units, were apartment-style condos. ‘Very pricey homes have taken a beating,’ said Brian Kernick, president of Greenview Developments, which plans to break ground in the coming weeks on a 65-unit low-rise condo building in Inglewood.”

“The City of Calgary received 27 development permit applications for condo projects worth more than $10 million in the last six months of 2016. Four of them, including an $18.7-million apartment development in Mahogany and a $15.8-million building at Legacy Park, have been approved so far. Several developers that have approached Calvin Buss, who specializes in designing and marketing large condo projects in Calgary, recently have found they couldn’t charge high enough prices for condos in the current market to build their projects economically.”

“Three out of four condo projects that have come across Buss’ desk in the past few months have converted to rental developments. The theory is that builders would have to sell condos at a loss now, or they could build rental apartments and take a loss on rents — but only until the economy recovers. ‘If you build a tower and you have to rent it out for two years at 15, 20 per cent below market value, you eat it for those two years, and in the next 20 years, you make it all up again,’ Buss said.”

From Global News. “People in Saskatoon looking at buying a condominium have a favourable market to choose from after prices dropped by 6.4 per cent at the end of 2016, compared to the same time in 2015, according to a real estate report. Real estate company Royal LePage released its fourth-quarter market update indicating that the median condominium price in Saskatoon now sits at $221,168.”

“Matt Miller, a broker with the company said current buyers have ‘fairly good negotiating power and they have a lot of product to choose from.’ ‘The market certainly favours the buyer right now, so it is a good time for a buyer to get into the market,’ Miller said in an interview. Miller said a number of large housing projects began when Saskatoon’s real estate market was expanding and continued once the struggling energy sector slowed down the city’s economy. ‘Demand tapered off a little bit, but the supply kind of kept up because these are longer term projects, they continue to come onto the market,’ Miller said.”

The Saskatoon Star Phoenix. “Saskatoon’s housing market emerged from the economic turmoil of 2016 in comparatively good shape, with a ‘manageable’ decline in sales partially offset by virtually flat prices, according to the CEO of the Saskatoon Region Association of Realtors. Royal LePage Vidorra owner and broker Norm Fisher said housing ‘isn’t strictly boom or bust,’ and that while there are fluctuations throughout the year, flat prices are likely due to sellers who would rather wait than slash their asking prices.”

“Fisher added that while townhouse sales were up and detached house sales ‘moderated’ in 2016, an ongoing oversupply problem among apartment-style condos will likely persist through 2017, leaving buyers with plenty of choice and lower prices. ‘The concerns that came up through the spring and summer, I think if you look back over the years we see those same concerns being echoed year after year after year. ‘There’s a housing bubble and it’s going to pop’ — I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that.’”

From CBC Edmonton. “Home values in Edmonton fell by a wider margin than in any other Canadian city in the final three months of 2016, Royal LePage reported in its latest house price survey. Edmonton house prices were down 2.1 per cent in the fourth quarter of 2016 compared to the same period of 2015, the survey found. Royal LePage said the average price of a home in Canada was $558,153 in the final quarter of 2016.”

“‘Construction of major oil and gas facilities has turned off up north and drilling is way down, which impacts our market as we’re a major service hub to those industries,’ Tom Shearer, a Royal LePage broker and owner, said in the release.”

From CBC New Brunswick. “Saint John Coun. Gerry Lowe is concerned about the number of vacant buildings in the city. The properties in east and west Saint John and on the central peninsula included multi-unit apartment houses, single family dwellings and two long-vacant restaurant/motels. He said the city is now keeping an eye on more than 90 vacant buildings. Lowe concedes the employment downturn is a factor. ‘A lot [has] got to do with the economy,’ he said. ‘People just can’t afford to keep them up. So they just walk from them and leave them.’”

“One of the calls Lowe received came from east Saint John resident, Gary MacDonald, who is concerned about a vacant home across the street from an apartment house he owns. ‘I’ve actually witnessed rats fighting on the front step of it,’ said MacDonald.”

From My Prince George Now. “A recent Stats Canada report shows the number of BC jobs went up by 1.1% in 2016, but a closer look shows a different picture in the Cariboo. Iglika Ivanova with the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives says jobs in our region actually dropped 0.8% from last year. Huge growth in the south offsets these smaller northern numbers, which Ivanova says is mostly due to the housing sector. ‘What we’re seeing there is jobs in construction, jobs in real estate, in finance, jobs in retail and building services, and they are concentrated where the housing market is concentrated in metro Vancouver and Greater Victoria.’”

“Ultimately, she believes the housing bubble will pop. Those who can afford to buy and build homes will continue to do so, while the average person won’t be able to pay the fees. This can lead to homelessness and a drop in housing prices.”

The Canadian Press. “The hand-painted sign on a bumpy road on the east side of Hanna speaks volumes. ‘Hanna supports coal, cows, gas and oil,’ it says bluntly. The sign includes a circle with a line through it over the words ‘carbon tax.’ The town of 2,700, 230 kilometres northeast of Calgary, like many rural Alberta communities, has largely lived off agriculture. But a large vein of thermal coal east of town led to the construction of the coal-fired Sheerness generating plant in the early 1980s and has provided welcome jobs and business in the region ever since.”

“People worry that economic boost is threatened by a new carbon levy and the provincial government’s plan to shut down coal-fired power plant by 2030 and move exclusively to natural gas, wind, solar and hydro energy instead. ‘If it’s a complete 100 per cent closure we’re going to lose 200 full-time, well-paying jobs. That’s about 7.5 per cent of our population,’ says Hanna Mayor Chris Warwick. ‘To put that into real life numbers, Edmonton losing 7.5 per cent is about 62,000 people _ Calgary’s around 90,000 _ so it’s a massive hit. These are well-paying jobs so it’s not a good situation for us.’”

“Dale Crowle, who runs Hanna Building Supplies, says his customers are concerned. ‘There’s going to be a lot of job losses. The tax base will be tough, resale on housing will be tough. There’s not a lot of new homes going up in Hanna,’” he says. ‘People are nervous. We see it every day here. It’s going to be tough.’”

The Globe and Mail. “Mortgage fraud has surged in Canada as soaring home prices in some markets have squeezed buyers and attracted attention from money launderers, data from credit reporting agency Equifax Inc. show. The number of mortgage applications flagged as potentially fraudulent has risen 52 per cent since 2013, Equifax found. The majority of mortgage-fraud applications have come from Ontario and British Columbia, where home prices have risen the most in recent years.”

“Instances of fraud ranged from prospective home buyers submitting fake or altered employment letters, bank statements or tax returns in order to qualify for a large mortgage, to money laundering and identity theft, said Tara Zecevic, Equifax vice-president of customer insight. ‘It could be investing in the market as a way to cleanse money. It could be: ‘I really want that home and I’m getting into a bidding war and even though I make $60,000, I’m going to say that I make $90, 000,’ she said. ‘What ends up happening is consumers think: ‘I’m not really doing anybody any harm.’”

“About 90 per cent of all mortgage applications flagged for potential fraud have come from banks rather than other types of mortgage lenders, largely because banks have become better at spotting fraud attempts. Instances of mortgage fraud were highest in the markets that are also the most attractive to foreign buyers.”

“That could be in part because hot markets such as Toronto and Vancouver have attracted attention from those looking to launder overseas money through Canada’s housing market, or it may be that demand from foreign investors is putting pressure on local buyers to fake their mortgage applications in order to compete for a home. ‘It may not be a direct link,’ Ms. Zecevic said. ‘It is a question mark, because we don’t necessarily know how much foreign investment is in the [housing] market.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-01-14 17:42:27

‘I’ve had people that have bought not one, but two or three of these, hoping to flip them or to rent them out, and where they really got caught is the rental market. They were planning on having rentals cover their investment in these and it’s not working out at all.’

Example

Comment by 2banana
2017-01-14 18:54:31

The alligators must be fed.

Every month.

Without end.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-01-14 17:43:36

From the Globe and Mail report:

‘In an online survey, Equifax found that 84 per cent of Canadians felt the country’s housing market had become too expensive for first-time buyers, while 20 per cent of those who didn’t own a home said they worried they may never be able to save enough for a down payment.’

‘Another 13 per cent of Canadians told Equifax it was okay to tell “little white lies” on their mortgage applications, while 16 per cent considered mortgage fraud a “victimless crime.” Only 8 per cent admitted to actually falsifying information on their own credit applications.’

Comment by 2banana
2017-01-14 19:00:02

NINJA loans.

No doc loans.

Liars loans.

Fog a mirror loans.

Where have we seen this game before?

 
 
Comment by azdude
2017-01-14 17:44:32

bogus.promissory.notes

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-01-14 17:46:16

‘Hayden says he is surprised that there are still companies pulling permits to build more condo buildings, although they may put those projects on hold. ‘There’s more inventory that looks like it is coming down the pipe,’ he said.’

‘Three out of four condo projects that have come across Buss’ desk in the past few months have converted to rental developments. The theory is that builders would have to sell condos at a loss now, or they could build rental apartments and take a loss on rents — but only until the economy recovers. ‘If you build a tower and you have to rent it out for two years at 15, 20 per cent below market value, you eat it for those two years, and in the next 20 years, you make it all up again,’ Buss said.’

The dry cleaner effect.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2017-01-14 20:03:46

Ben - I went back and read your Dry Cleaner Effect link. Here’s my question (or maybe a question for your dad):

Won’t there come a point where the market will determine that there isn’t enough demand for the marginal dry cleaning store that’s closing or is for sale?

How much can one expect to make on a $200k investment in a dry cleaning business?

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-01-14 21:00:53

‘Won’t there come a point where the market will determine that there isn’t enough demand for the marginal dry cleaning store that’s closing or is for sale?

Yes.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2017-01-14 20:15:57

“and in the next 20 years, you make it all up again…”

Right. You couldn’t build fast enough to catch the boom in 2014, but after the correction you are guaranteed another 20 years of boom without competition.

Comment by PitchforkPurveyor
2017-01-16 10:45:44

It’s called magical thinking, delusion, etc…

 
 
Comment by MWR
2017-01-15 06:30:28

Three out of four condo projects that have come across Buss’ desk in the past few months have converted to rental developments. The theory is that builders would have to sell condos at a loss now, or they could build rental apartments and take a loss on rents — but only until the economy recovers. ‘If you build a tower and you have to rent it out for two years at 15, 20 per cent below market value, you eat it for those two years, and in the next 20 years, you make it all up again,’ Buss said.

Yea that is gonna happen; about the same time my Pets.com stock hit 100 again!

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2017-01-14 18:00:59

We interrupt this HBB thread for some breaking news:

The Clingon Global Initiative (not to be confused with the Clingon Foundation) is shutting down, effective 4/15/17. Why they classify it as a “plant closing”, I have no idee.

https://labor.ny.gov/app/warn/details.asp?id=5801

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-01-14 18:20:44

Plants produce useful things. Anything associated with the Clinton Crime Family produces only corruption and sleaze.

Comment by 2banana
2017-01-14 18:57:55

“The question I always ask is, what product were they selling? If we make a buck, we sold a bottle of wine or an apartment, or we sold a hotel room. What product were they selling to make $150 million?”
– Eric Trump

2017-01-14 19:17:32

Access to daddy, same as you, Eric.

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Comment by palmetto
2017-01-14 20:43:54

Russ, I have no clue what you’re so bitter about. Eric Trump has done some good in the world, and I’ll bet he’s done a lot more good than the Clingons. Sure, he was born into money. He has used the advantages of his name to bring comfort to children who don’t have a chance, unlike the Clingons who have destroyed any chance many children may have had, all around the world.

https://www.erictrumpfoundation.com/

Don’t be a butthurt pinhead. I know you’re better than that, you just haven’t found it out yet.

 
Comment by 2banana
2017-01-15 06:19:53

Trump got into politics two years ago. He was a billionaire well before then.

The Clinton’s and obana have NEVER had a job outside politics.

Note: Being a community organizer is a political job. A the Hillary job a the Rose Law firm was also political and she only had one case to world on….anot Arkansas case while her husband was governor.

God Bless DJT.

 
Comment by palmetto
2017-01-15 08:33:59

This is interesting. Looks like some businesspeople are getting interested in politics in a more direct way, no longer content just to donate and advise from the sidelines. The career political hacks will find themselves out of their jobs, praise jeebus.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/peter-thiel-california-governor-bid-233632

Heh, you can almost hear the thoughts: Why should we hire these hacks? They just mess it all up. Sigh, I guess we’ll have to do it ourselves.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2017-01-15 08:59:45

Trump is hardly the first businessman to enter the WH. Before him was Herbert Hoover (1928) and five others.

The U.S. turned to protectionism on Hoover’s watch, similar to what most Trump supporters seem to want. How did that work out?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:40:31

How has practicing “free trade” (meaning we buy while everyone else is protectionist) worked out for us?

 
Comment by Avg Joe
2017-01-15 10:54:41

Well gosh, I dunno, which country on Earth has the largest economy? Would that be us?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 16:47:08

You mean the country that went from being a net creditor to a net debtor, where wages have fallen while prices (like for housing) have risen?

 
Comment by Avg Joe
2017-01-16 21:48:03

Deficits don’t matter. Haven’t you heard?

 
 
Comment by rms
2017-01-15 14:08:50

“The question I always ask is, what product were they selling?”

Influence… under the guise of consulting.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2017-01-14 20:06:58

What’s next? Are you going to be telling us is that dingleberries will be orbiting an outer planet?

Comment by palmetto
2017-01-14 20:25:14

Put down the bottle, brush yer teeth and go to bed. Hangover tomorrow.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-01-14 18:09:32

‘ leaving buyers with plenty of choice and lower prices. ‘The concerns that came up through the spring and summer, I think if you look back over the years we see those same concerns being echoed year after year after year. ‘There’s a housing bubble and it’s going to pop’ — I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that.’

You can’t say you weren’t warned Norm.

Comment by azdude
2017-01-15 07:28:20

We need to find more buyers with 0 -3% down to start making payments to the banks.

They will never own these homes. Banks have become the landlords.

HOME DEBTORSHIP

Run the numbers on a 30 year amortization schedule. They get all their interest first. Over the first 10 years you dont pay much toward the principal. What are the odds people make 10 years into a loan?

Your only hope is a rising market to get some free equity.

Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:06:05

Run the numbers on a 30 year amortization schedule. They get all their interest first. Over the first 10 years you dont pay much toward the principal.

The lower the interest rate, the more principal you pay in the early years

Using a 30 year, 100K loan’s first payment as an example

At 3% interest: $171.60 Principal, $250 interest

At 6% interest: $99.55 Principal, $500 interest

Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:07:20

Here is a link to an online amortizarion calculator:

http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/mortgages/amortization-calculator.aspx

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Comment by Professor Bear
2017-01-15 09:12:15

“The lower the interest rate, the more principal you pay in the early years”

Given that the lower the interest rate, the more bubblelicious the purchase price, what you say is absolutely true.

This can turn out badly for those who find themselves paying principle on the purchase price while the underlying’s value is dropping, as in the 2007-2012 period.

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Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:34:28

If prices crater, you’re hosed. End of story. Doesn’t matter how you paid for it. If you sell, you will take a big loss.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2017-01-15 09:46:37

If prices crater, you’re hosed.

If you have no skin in the game, and get to live there for years for free, it doesn’t seem like you’re really all _that_ hosed…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 16:52:26

and get to live there for years for free

Well, for starters not everyone gets all those free years. I suspect that those free years are the exception, not the norm.

Second, you still had closing costs and at least a 3% down payment (unless a VA loan)

And of course, your credit will be wrecked for years, which could affect employment prospects.

Yeah, not as bad as losing a six figure sum on the sale of a house, but still bad.

 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2017-01-15 09:41:12

They get all their interest first. Over the first 10 years you dont pay much toward the principal.

False; I suggest you actually look at an amortization schedule before making ridiculous claims like this.

During the first 10yrs of a 30yr mortgage at 4%, you pay exactly 50% toward interest, and 50% toward principal; the other 50% of the interest is paid over the last 20yrs.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2017-01-15 09:52:00

Apologies—I just mis-read my own spreadsheet. More coffee…

Corrected numbers: at the 10yr mark, 50% of the lifetime interest of the loan has been paid (50.16%, to be precise).

But the interest/principal split is worse than I said: 37% of your payments thru the 10yr mark have gone to principal, and 63% have gone towards interest.

Sorry about that.

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Comment by palmetto
Comment by Professor Bear
2017-01-15 09:01:14

Just stay indoors, limit breathing activity, and never, ever go to a medical services provider, where all the sick people go, and you will do fine.

Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:32:25

From the story it sounds like she picked up the bug in India.

Two years ago I was at Heathrow waiting for my flight back to the States. The gate had yet been assigned so I found a seat in the “shopping mall” area of the terminal in front of a monitor.

As I waited for the gate to be assigned a woman seated behind me began a coughing fit that seemed to have no end. I got up, turned around and saw that she was an Indian woman wearing a sari. I immediately collected my belongings and moved as far away from her as possible. The last thing I wanted was what she had.

Comment by taxpayers
2017-01-15 09:58:34

Sounds rasis
Had to play the card one more time
Expires on 1/20

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Comment by Big Fat Ugly Bubble
2017-01-15 10:15:59

It’s funny, all the stupid, usually younger Americans who think travelling to the world’s largest open sewer and trash heap is the place to “find themselves”. A spiritual journey in poop.

Instead, those people could either take a tour, or even get a job at their local town’s sewage processing facility. They might actually learn something.

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Comment by azdude
2017-01-14 18:30:48

debt has taken control of people

Comment by 2banana
2017-01-14 19:01:52

Debt = slavery.

Unless you are the government.

 
2017-01-14 19:19:06

Qualify that: stupid people.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2017-01-15 09:02:24

‘debt has taken control of people’

Mainly the people who signed the death pledge:

“Till debt do us part.”

 
Comment by rms
2017-01-15 14:15:31

“debt has taken control of people”

…resistance is futile. :)

 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-01-14 19:46:15

Orinda, CA Housing Prices Crater 18% YoY

http://www.movoto.com/orinda-ca/market-trends/

Comment by taxpayers
2017-01-15 05:11:02

My hood skyrocketing
Novgorod is broken
Prices observer’s are flat
http://www.movoto.com/springfield-va/market-trends/

Comment by The Enrager
2017-01-15 08:52:09

Don’t be a DebtDonkey.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2017-01-14 19:53:50

Best election ever.

God Bless DJT.

—-

Heavily Democratic D.C. braces for a swamp-draining new Republican president
The Washington Post | 2017-01-14 | Paul Schwartzman

“They’re coming — it’s inevitable,” Moretti said of the new administration. “But that doesn’t mean I have to be here with the welcome wagon.”
Alisha Edmonson, the owner of the Songbyrd Music House in Adams Morgan, is hosting inauguration week fundraisers for Planned Parenthood and the ACLU, a dance party in honor of President Obama, and a brunch special celebrating his family’s move to nearby Kalorama.

The bar will sponsor no such welcome to Washington for the Trumps, including the president-elect’s daughter, Ivanka, who also is moving to Kalorama. “We are not a political space; we’re a safe space,” Edmonson said by way of explanation, smiling as she chose her words carefully. She declined to elaborate.

The District is among the bluest of blue cities; more than 90 percent of its electorate voted for Hillary Clinton in November. Since then, Washingtonians’ anxiety, ambivalence and even hostility toward the newly forming administration have been discernible in ways large and small, from the refusal of any local marching band to volunteer for the inaugural parade to the Christmas carolers in Dupont Circle who retooled “Jingle Bells” to poke fun at Trump (“Tiny hands, tiny hands, they’re so cute and small . . .”).

Comment by palmetto
2017-01-14 21:01:21

“Christmas carolers in Dupont Circle who retooled “Jingle Bells” to poke fun at Trump (“Tiny hands, tiny hands, they’re so cute and small . . .”).”

Yah, peace on earth good will toward men and all that. What’s small are the hearts and brains of the so-called “Christmas carolers”. How very twee of them.

It’s a shame Trump has to go to Washington. He should just bypass that schitty slum and its twisted freak dwellers. It’s like the Capitol of Panem with denizens to match. Too bad it didn’t vaporize long ago.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2017-01-15 00:43:52

Some swamps are overflowing with no plans to ever drain them.

FINANCIAL TIMES
Banks
Wall Street wins big from Trump transition
JPMorgan and BofA enjoy post-election boost and Goldman fills White House jobs

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-01-15 07:29:31

Whatever else you say about DJT, he managed to overthrow two Deep State political dynasties: the Clintons and the Bushes. HillaryJeb is washed up, finished, done. Good riddance.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2611818/

Comment by rms
2017-01-15 19:10:39

“Jeb Bush likely done with public life”

The plantation is history… sorry Barb.
http://picpaste.com/bb.jpg

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2017-01-15 09:05:15

“…swamp-draining…”

Which part of the swamp is getting drained?

- Not the Goldman Sachs alumni running the government part

- Not the 0.1% club oligarchs running the government part

- Not the Wall Street investment banking connections part

Which part is it?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:19:34

“We are not a political space; we’re a safe space,”

Gotta love the snowflake bed wetters and their safe spaces. They must be terrified knowing that screeching will no longer get them what they want.

 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2017-01-14 21:37:58

APNewsBreak: Ringling Bros. circus to close after 146 years

Tamara Lush, Associated Press Updated 11:32 pm, Saturday, January 14, 2017

ELLENTON, Fla. (AP) — After 146 years, the curtain is coming down on “The Greatest Show on Earth.” The owner of the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus told The Associated Press that the show will close forever in May.

The iconic American spectacle was felled by a variety of factors, company executives say. Declining attendance combined with high operating costs, along with changing public tastes and prolonged battles with animal rights groups all contributed to its demise.

“There isn’t any one thing,” said Kenneth Feld, chairman and CEO of Feld Entertainment. “This has been a very difficult decision for me and for the entire family.”

The company broke the news to circus employees Saturday night after shows in Orlando and Miami.

Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 17:02:03

I haven’t been to a circus in eons. Not because of animal rights or because some people think clowns are scary.

I simply find them to be boring.

 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-01-14 22:12:32

“New York Real Estate Prices Plunge In 4Q As Listing Days and Discounts Soar”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-13/new-york-real-estate-prices-plunge-4q-listing-days-and-discounts-soar

Comment by 2banana
2017-01-15 06:11:00

NYS wants to pay you to live upstate.
WGRZ-TV / January 13, 2017

A $5 million pilot program, called Graduate to Homeownership, would provide recent college graduates with homebuyer assistance through low-interest loans, down-payment assistance and homebuyer education courses, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday.

Comment by taxpayer
2017-01-15 07:51:49

it’s so good you have to subsidize it-then mandate

like most gov programs that are “good for you”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:12:48

Unless NYS is willing to pay the property tax it seems like a rotten deal.

Comment by taxpayers
2017-01-15 10:00:50

Easy to pay 10k on a house worth 150k in ny and nj
Ny used to have 100 % pensions

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Comment by azdude
2017-01-15 06:18:12

we have a lot more credit and note creation than we have real wealth being generated.

 
Comment by phony scandals
2017-01-15 06:40:55

ABC = FNP

Fake News and Propogganda

Watching the local ABC News this morning as they announce President elect Trump is in trouble again. They cut to one of their National ABC Fake News reports which goes on to say how…

“President-elect Donald Trump has once again made himself the target of online vitriol after he criticised 1960s civil rights activist and congressman, John Lewis, for being “all talk, no action.”

“On Friday, Representative John Lewis, Democrat of Georgia, declared that he did not view Donald J. Trump as a “legitimate president.”

He believes Russia interfered in the US election campaign and therefore Trump was not a legitimate president.

ABC says Trump tweets…

“All talk, talk, talk — no action or results,” he added. “Sad!”

But they leave out…

“Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results,”

Leaving the viewer thinking Donald Trump has now said this great civil rights leader is all talk.

 
Comment by palmetto
2017-01-15 07:22:34

All of a sudden it dawned on me that the last four, count ‘em FOUR presidents were CIA assets. And three of them served two terms each.

Comment by azdude
2017-01-15 08:01:48

bikers.for. trump

Michael moore is gonna have his hands full when all these bikers show up.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-01-15 07:39:29

Poor globalists. Their decades-long pauperization of the middle and working classes in the western democracies is finally catching up with them as they are now universally despised by the awake and aware.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-davos-elites-struggle-for-answers-as-trump-era-dawns-2017-1

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-01-15 08:08:56

‘Moises Naim of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was even more blunt: “There is a consensus that something huge is going on, global and in many respects unprecedented. But we don’t know what the causes are, nor how to deal with it.”

I read an article yesterday that used the word “elites” at least a dozen times.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-01-15 08:17:38

The Davos Boys’ era of looting with impunity is over.

Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:10:39

Given how most folks around the globe are up to their eyeballs in debt and paying lots of interest to the Davos crowd, that statement might be a bit premature.

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Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-01-15 08:53:09

As former sheeple become awake and aware, thanks to the alternative media and their own empirical observation, the globalists’ schemes and scams are on borrowed time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/14/year-raw-nationalismtoppled-davos-man/

 
 
 
Comment by azdude
2017-01-15 07:45:20

why have homes become to the vehicle to enrich the bankers?

Comment by Professor Bear
2017-01-15 09:10:16

Take a load off Fannie…

Will Donald Trump Slash the Kind of Federal Housing Programs That Made His Family Rich?
By Will Bredderman • 01/13/17 11:00am
An ad for Fred Trumps Shore Haven apartments in Brooklyn.
Thomas J. Campanella/builtbrooklyn.org

Take the D, the N, the F to the end of the line in Brooklyn, through the tangled wastes of the subway maintenance yards and across the fetid waters of Coney Island Creek, and you’ll see a very different kind of Trump tower. Nothing like the brass-and-glass of the president-elect’s Fifth Avenue Xanadu, these tall brick bulks loom into view as the train curves out of Gravesend, permitting just fleeting glimpses of the Coney Island Wonder Wheel turning against the backdrop of glaucous Lower New York Bay.

These are the high-rise apartments of Trump Village: homely, squarish, utilitarian, externally indistinguishable from the outcroppings of public housing at the peninsula’s western end. When construction wrapped in 1964, their builder, Frederick Christ Trump, hoped they would serve as “something to remember the name ‘Trump’ by.”

It was a spectacular social ascent built as much on government aid as on concrete or mortar or business cunning. The elder Trump created some 27,000 units of housing across New York City in his long career—co-op complexes, garden apartments, single family homes—a virtual archipelago of the outer borough white lower-middle-class. Underlying it all were guarantees from the Federal Housing Administration, an agency that will soon fall under his son’s control.

These kind of state interventions are anathema to modern conservative-libertarian economic theory, which asserts that they mutate the free market. But without them, January 21, 2017 would likely dawn on Donald Trump living in Levittown instead of the White House.

To oversee the FHA, Trump has appointed perhaps the one individual more inscrutable and detail-averse than himself: Dr. Ben Carson. What few comments Carson made about federal housing programs prior to his nomination were critical or belittling, and he appears to view many to them as “government handouts” and “social engineering”

“That would be the ultimate irony, wouldn’t it?” said Thomas Campanella, a Brooklyn-native associate professor of city planning at Cornell University, in an interview with the Observer. “That the programs that so helped Fred Trump build for working class people, and make a profit, could be threatened under his son.”

Comment by oxide
2017-01-23 06:35:45

“That the programs that so helped Fred Trump build for working class people, and make a profit, could be threatened under his son.”

Key phrase being “working class people.” If government backing is the only way to get affordable housing for working class people, then so be it. What I *don’t* want is government-backed money handed out indiscriminately for all developers, who are using the monies only to construct or renovate value-added luxe crap that nobody can afford. That’s the program that needs to be yanked. (and no, 30 “affordable units” in a 200-unit building doesn’t count. IMO that’s an insult.)

I’m hoping that Trump makes this distinction when he starts wheeling and dealing.

 
 
 
Comment by Apartment 401
2017-01-15 08:10:51

New York Times real journalists provide the following Narrative:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/style/hillary-clinton-new-york-sightings.html

Comment by In Colorado
2017-01-15 09:08:44

They got her to pose without the walker.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-01-15 08:35:48

Nothing warms my heart quite like bitter, bile-spewing Keynesian fraudsters when they realize the jig is up.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-14/we-are-getting-worried-about-paul-krugman

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Comment by azdude
2017-01-15 08:43:38

bikers vs snowflakes round 1 in 5 days

 
Comment by phony scandals
2017-01-15 09:31:56

Andrea Bocelli Backs Out of Trump’s Inauguration After Receiving Death Threats

BY EREN MORENO JANUARY 15, 2017

http://truthfeed.com/breaking-andrea-bocelli-backs-out-of-trumps-inauguration-after-receiving-death-threats/46730/

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-01-15 09:37:03

How awesome would it be if Trump banned the controlled media from his press conferences, since they are nothing but adjuncts for the DNC and propaganda outlets for their globalist oligarch owners?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/they-are-opposition-party-trump-may-evict-press-white-house

Comment by phony scandals
2017-01-15 11:03:37

“How awesome would it be if Trump banned the controlled media from his press conferences,”

Rapturous

 
 
Comment by ibbots
2017-01-15 10:05:50

Clockboy’s lawsuit isn’t going so well:

Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne is being dismissed from a crumbling defamation lawsuit brought by the father of Ahmed Mohamed,

In the defamation suit, Mohamed sought up to $100,000 in damages, as well as “nonmonetary relief,” for comments made by Van Duyne and media personalities that he argues made the public think that members of his family were terrorists who staged the incident.

In December, another judge also dismissed the local Fox News affiliate and political commentator Ben Ferguson from the suit. Records show he ordered that the Mohamed family pay them more than $82,000 in legal fees.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/irving/2017/01/14/irving-mayor-beth-van-duyne-dismissed-crumbling-clock-boy-defamation-suit

Comment by phony scandals
2017-01-15 10:56:02

“Records show he ordered that the Mohamed family pay them more than $82,000 in legal fees.”

I hope the Mohamed family’s lawyer charges them twice that.

PS

I still stand with Radio-shack

 
 
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