A Pricing Bubble Where Developers Paid Top Dollar
A report from the Herald Tribune in Florida. “International buyers still love Florida real estate, but their passion is fading. Foreign buyers spent $4.3 billion less on residential real estate in the Sunshine State last year, an 18 percent plunge. With shrinking buying power, foreigners are spending less here. The average price they paid for a Florida residence dropped from $539,000 in 2015 to $412,000 last year. Agent Charryl Youman said she saw fewer Canadian buyers last year, but more sellers reacting to the unfavorable exchange rate with the loonie. Canadians like maintenance-free living at condos and villas, but both sale prices and monthly fees jumped about 30 percent.”
“‘Imagine if your condo fees were $300 per month, and now they feel closer to $400 per month,” said Youman, who is with Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Florida Realty in Venice. ‘Condos costing $200,000 to buy now translate to almost $260,000. That’s a big difference.’”
From Mansion Global on New York. “Only 13 homes valued at $4 million and above entered into contract last week in Manhattan, the lowest number for the final week of January since 2010, according to Olshan Realty’s weekly report. ‘The market is struggling with price resistance,’ Donna Olshan, president of the eponymous brokerage Olshan Realty told Mansion Global. ‘Fundamentally, there are too many overpriced high-end products. The buyers are really looking at the prices carefully. In order for the market to move, a lot of properties have to reduce prices.’”
From Multi-Housing News. “A new survey from Capital One reveals that multifamily professionals have mixed expectations for supply and demand in their markets this year. ‘We closely watch planned and permitting numbers across the country and monitor areas with a lack of supply,’ said Jeff Lee, executive vice president of Capital One’s multifamily finance. ‘There are no doubt some cities where overbuilding is a problem, as evidenced by the 38 percent of survey respondents who said that they anticipated supply to outstrip demand to some degree.’”
“In the survey of more than 130 industry pros, only 16 percent of survey respondents expect supply and demand to be in equilibrium this year, while 46 percent anticipate demand to outstrip supply, and 38 percent predict supply will exceed demand. ‘One thing that stood out for me was that 51 percent of the respondents said that they were going to be a net buyer in 2017,’ Lee said. ‘This was surprising, given the anticipation of rising interest rates. In a broader sense, the results also made it abundantly clear that there is an expectation among professionals that the multifamily market has additional room to grow.’”
From 4 WWL in Louisiana. “After record growth in the metro area housing market post-Hurricane Katrina, 2016 saw a slow-down. Experts called it a ‘leveling’ off. Although the rent landlords will be able to get may not be as high as in years past. With more inventory and newer apartments with more amenities, rents have decreased. ‘Even uptown we are seeing apartments that were leasing for maybe $1,800 last year are now sitting on the market far longer and leasing for only around $1,600,’ said Remax agent Martha Eager-Allen. ‘So there is a correction taking place and I think owners should be aware of that.’”
The Houston Chronicle in Texas. “Greater Houston homebuilders face a slow-moving market in the year ahead, followed by increased activity in 2018. But there may be speed bumps along the way as the industry rebounds from the sluggish growth during the recent oil bust just as crude prices stabilize, a housing analyst said. Even with mortgage rates hovering around 4 percent - low by historical standards - only about 28 percent of Houston-area households can afford an average-priced new home, which is about $391,000, said Scott Davis, head of the Houston office for Meyers Research, a residential consulting practice based in southern California. ‘Given some of the more expensive inventory moving more slowly in the market, and staring at a potential increase in rates, this is an important issue for us to stay on top of,’ Davis told builders.”
“Communities that opened over the last several years when land and lot prices were high won’t fare as well as those that come online in 2017 or later, when prices are expected to moderate, Davis said. He warned of a ‘pricing bubble’ in those older projects where developers paid top dollar for the land. With high inventories in those developments, Davis said, ‘we’re going to see that slowly deflate,’ he said.”
From My Central Jersey in New Jersey. “Almost 11 months after New Brunswick passed an ordinance to combat the large number of vacant homes in the city, no part of the ordinance has been enforced. The Abandoned Properties Rehabilitation Ordinance, passed on Feb. 3, 2016, and enacted on 20 days thereafter, requires that the city designate a public officer to identify abandoned properties, draft a list of abandoned properties in need of rehabilitation, and submit a report to the city’s mayor detailing the location, status and actions taken to rehabilitate qualifying properties.”
“In a response to a request made under the Open Public Records Act for the documents, other vacant property lists and plans of rehabilitation submitted by property owners of vacant or abandoned homes, assistant city attorney Joe Catanese wrote that no such documents exist.”
“Per 2015 census estimates, there are between 1,173 and 1,663 vacant homes in the city, roughly 9 percent of the city’s total housing units. City Public Information Officer Jennifer Bradshaw confirmed that a list, as called for under the ordinance, had not been drafted and that no public officer had been named. ‘We’re still in the process of setting up a model for the ordinance to operate under as well as staff a position to oversee it,’ Bradshaw said in a statement. ‘So at this time, there isn’t a staff person to compile a list, nor one to provide updates on.’”
‘Even uptown we are seeing apartments that were leasing for maybe $1,800 last year are now sitting on the market far longer and leasing for only around $1,600’
Martha didn’t include how much the “sitting far longer” was costing the landlords. Anyone in the biz will say this is the biggest expense.
‘There are no doubt some cities where overbuilding is a problem, as evidenced by the 38 percent of survey respondents who said that they anticipated supply to outstrip demand to some degree.’
‘One thing that stood out for me was that 51 percent of the respondents said that they were going to be a net buyer in 2017′
This is because 51% of the respondents agree with the “What, Me Worry?” graduates of the Rental Watch School of Real Estate. These guys will build themselves into bankruptcy.
Follow the money…multifamily attracts lots of capital (it’s an easy sell “everyone needs to live somewhere”). In real estate as a whole, there is a record amount of “dry powder” in real estate funds…something north of $230 Billion globally, I’ll bet much of it is targeting multifamily.
If you raise money from large institutions (like most funds), you better get it invested on the timeline you told your investors, or risk not getting that money again. There is pressure to get money out the door…and if you said you were going to buy apartments, you better be buying apartments.
Then again, multi-family isn’t really my game…they can have at it.
I wonder how many of those 51% tell the surveyers they are net-buyers just to inspire confidence, so that other people become net-buyers (everyone’s doing it) of the stuff they’re actually planning to sell asap.
The last thing you want to do is announce in a survey you are about to dump your holdings. Not that some of these people are that smart…
The buyer of last resort are the insurance companies. And they’re going to own a whole lot of construction companies, condos, houses and apartments.
Signs of the recession: http://slo.craigslist.org/hsh/5979986708.html
More like sign of a college town!
You live on the central coast new attitude?
30+ yrs in the 805.
Downtown San Jose, CA Rental Rates Crater 7% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/downtown-san-jose-ca/home-values/
“there are too many overpriced high-end products.”
I wonder when, if ever, the low-end starts showing any weakness.
When people all around you are losing their jobs.
People are always losing jobs. But RE prices keep going up.
It isn’t going up in Manhattan. Been going down for over a year.
Not in established coops and condos of UWS.
Closings higher than asking. Asking higher than ever.
(And no, I don’t like it.)
There is the real point! Just because the upper end has a glut of properties and dropping prices, it doesn’t mean the middle market is the same.
Are you sure?
Downtown Manhattan Housing Prices Crater 12% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/downtown-new-york-ny/home-values/
I don’t expect the low-end to show any weakness either, NYchk. All those rich folks who balked at Ricky Martin’s $8M pad in Yorktown will gladly snap up a $4M condo somewhere else. There are likely still the same number of buyers; they are just crowding into the lower price levels. In fact we are already seeing that in housing outside of the Manhattan. The luxury end sits, but anything remotely mid-priced is snapped up.
“The luxury end sits, but anything remotely mid-priced is snapped up.”
Wasn’t it the same way, last time? Luxury slowed down, while low-end had bidding wars?
Even after the bubble burst, there was no real give in the low-or-mid-end, in good areas. Not nearly enough.
The problem is too many people competing with each other for very limited availability at low-and-mid-end. Meanwhile, high-end luxury condos in shitty areas are getting overbuilt.
Wasn’t it the same way, last time? Luxury slowed down, while low-end had bidding wars?
“Wasn’t it the same way, last time?”
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While we all should learn from history, I think it is a mistake to try to draw too many parallels to the prior bubble. There was a major difference between the current state of affairs and the peak bubble years.
In 2004-2006, there was an average of 1.6MM single family homes started each year (in the context of a total of 1.94MM starts total per year). And many of those homes were targeting the lower/mid market, being purchased by people who lied on their loan apps about having jobs, and not owning any other homes. The Casey Serin’s of the world bought multiple single family homes based on their lies.
From 2014-2016, we have averaged 700k single family home starts per year (in the context of 1.1MM home starts per year including multi-family).
The market will act differently with such stark differences in supply.
Those houses never went away, and we had an oversupply then as now:
‘In a response to a request made under the Open Public Records Act for the documents, other vacant property lists and plans of rehabilitation submitted by property owners of vacant or abandoned homes, assistant city attorney Joe Catanese wrote that no such documents exist.’
‘Per 2015 census estimates, there are between 1,173 and 1,663 vacant homes in the city, roughly 9 percent of the city’s total housing units.’
Rental Watch, thanks, that’s an eye-opening statistic.
Ben, good point about still working out prior oversupply. I don’t know which parts of the country have an oversupply, I’m sure there are many such places. But Manhattan doesn’t, not of “low-mid-end” housing. It’s a real problem.
Which simply means prices have a long way to fall.
Agree.
https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf
Vacancy data released today. Note the current vacancy levels as compared to pre-bubble times.
The average number of housing starts from 1959 to 2000 was about 1.5MM per year.
The average number of housing starts from 2001 to today has been 1.25MM per year.
In 1959, there were a lot fewer old structures that needed replacing (relatively few of the 1.5MM starts replaced old structures).
Today, 300k+ of the 1.25MM starts are to replace old structures. We had 6 years from 2001 to 2006 where we exceeded the long-term average of 1.5MM in a meaningful way (from 100k over to 600k over). We then had 10 years where we were meaningfully less than the long-term average of 1.5MM per year (from 250k under to 950k under).
There is currently an oversupply of new luxury housing in many markets. But not an oversupply of basic shelter.
Yep, makes sense. That’s what I felt like I saw around, empirically. Nice to see some numbers behind it.
The problem is that data excludes all the foreclosed houses still held in non-bank hands.
I’ve just read about a Columbia University Ph.D. student who last Friday went to visit his fiancée in Canada for a weekend. Now he can’t come back to his scholarly life. Because he’s originally from Iran.
So stupidly done. Unless the purpose was to piss everyone one and show uncommon cruelty. Then, well done, mission accomplished, morons revealed.
He should stamp his little feet. BTW in Tucson, the border patrol air traffic is up by multitudes. We aren’t happy down here with the human smuggling because we know how ugly it is, unlike you Yankees who only care about cheap labor.
Are you comparing a Columbia Ph.D. student with a Mexican strawberry picker illegal?
Sure, lets deport professors from Harvard, too.
‘Are you comparing a Columbia Ph.D. student with a Mexican strawberry picker illegal?’
These Columbia PhD’s can wait. It’s only a few weeks. When the next multiple mass murder happens, everybody will change their tune. Do you think another mass murder will never happen?
‘lets deport professors from Harvard, too.’
Now you’re talking!
Make it every ivy-leaguer. I can dream, can’t I?
“‘lets deport professors from Harvard, too.’”
My brother is an east coast professor. I can attest.
PHD= BS- Piled higher and deeper.
Okay, then why stop half way, at deporting professors from Harvard? (Not even half way - none of the countries that produced actual terrorists who committed acts of terror on the U.S. soil were included in the ban.)
You want a Muslim ban? Sure, lets do the full Muslim ban - lets ban all Muslim countries, including the ones where President Trump has hotels and business interests.
And also, I guess, lets deport all people from those countries who are already here; and also, I guess, lets revoke green cards, right? if a person is from that country?
And where does it stop? And how do you suggest we deal with native-born second generation US citizens with heritage from Muslim countries?
But wait, there’s more. What about all the black people who are Muslim? There’re quite a few. Deport them too? Deport first, ask questions later? LOL
Make it every ivy-leaguer. I can dream, can’t I?
high school dropout attitude
‘And where does it stop? And how do you suggest we deal with native-born second generation US citizens with heritage from Muslim countries? But wait, there’s more. What about all the black people who are Muslim? There’re quite a few. Deport them too? Deport first, ask questions later? LOL’
I’ve read it’s a 90 day halt in immigration.
VIDEO: THE TRUTH ABOUT TRUMP’S ‘MUSLIM BAN’
The reality behind the hysteria
Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com - JANUARY 29, 2017
http://www.infowars.com/video-the-truth-about-trumps-muslim-ban/
THE TRUTH ABOUT TRUMP’S ‘MUSLIM BAN’
The reality behind the hysteria
Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com - JANUARY 29, 2017
That’s some good hysteria NYchk has going though.
high school dropout attitude
Butt hurt attitude.
“I’ve read it’s a 90 day halt in immigration.”
To what purpose? Look at what was actually achieved - we’re not safer, we’re now more at threat than ever; innocent people and families hurt; Muslims pissed off; Americans humiliated, the U.S. reputation in the world as the “greatest democracy” irreparably damaged.
This poorly thought-out, sadistic, kleptocratic, horribly executed, illegal measure just hurt us badly, and made us all less safe, and less free. (But Putin must be happy - how nice, he couldn’t have come up with a better plan to throw the U.S. and the world into chaos.)
That’s what happens when one invites a Nazi to come up with “strategy” while cutting out the wealth of institutional agency knowledge from helping to develop policy and its execution.
Bad move.
If your rhetoric was not so far over the top, you might have a point about the implementation. However, if you announce it before hand, you signal your enemies that they have to move quickly. Very few people have access to the intelligence he has. He may have knowledge of an actual, imminent threat from someone from one of those countries. Even if he does not people coming from those the seven countries certainly deserve additional scrutiny.
The terrorists will be stopped for 90 days. After that, we’ll that them in again.
‘To what purpose?’
I don’t know. Lots of little feet stampin.’ I do know the border patrol is crawling all over the Tucson smuggling corridor.
It is about additional screening which is needed for people from those countries that alone justifies the policy, but we do not know what else Trump knows since he became President and has obtained full intelligence briefings. What if he learned that there was a imminent threat from Yemen based terrorists but we did not have enough specific intelligence on the threat such as when the terrorists would be traveling. You would create a travel ban and to avoid revealing to the enemy you might include other countries on the list. Then, you would engage in a raid such as we just did in Yemen to obtain more information. Not saying that did occur but just saying actions in the last few weeks are consistent with this.
” I do know the border patrol is crawling all over the Tucson smuggling corridor.”
Glad to hear it. Hopefully the message gets through and soon the numbers of people trying to get across (aka, human trafficking) will decline.
“Sure, lets deport professors from Harvard, too.”
Could you throw in MIT?
Grubergate Part 1: ‘The Stupidity Of The American Voter’
NOV 30, 2014
Recently, video surfaced of MIT health economist Jonathan Gruber admitting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – a.k.a. ObamaCare – “would not have passed” if Democrats had been honest about its costs. The renowned architect of the Act admitted “this bill was written in a tortured way” to create a “lack of transparency,” an effort that succeeded thanks to the “the stupidity of the American voter.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2014/11/30/grubergate-part-1-the-stupidity-of-the-american-voter/
“Are you comparing a Columbia Ph.D. student with a Mexican strawberry picker illegal?”
You can’t. The strawberry picker has a backbone and an honest work ethic.
Another high school dropout weighs in?
People who study well in school, and go on to earning Ph.D.s from the best universities, have way more honest work ethic than deadbeats who refuse to apply themselves in school and beyond.
While other kids chug beers, do drugs and party, the hated “intellectuals” work, all through childhood. Their honest work ethic starts when they are babies, and continues throughout their lives.
Only trash envies and hates intellectuals. Working class folks with true work ethic wouldn’t, because they recognize in others what they themselves have.
And you still want a free ride. Not gonna happen. Now Gretchen me another bag of Cheetos.
From Wikipedia, Putin is highly educated thus under your “logic” he must be a good person. Sorry a highly educated terrorist is just more dangerous. Because someone might have a degree from this country does not mean he or she does not have to be screened:
Born in Saint Petersburg (then known as Leningrad), Putin studied German in high school and speaks the language fluently.[4][5] He then studied law at the Leningrad State University, graduating in 1975.[6] Putin was a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before retiring in 1991 to enter politics in Saint Petersburg. He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin’s administration, rising quickly through the ranks and becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999, when Yeltsin resigned. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election by a 53% to 30% margin, thus avoiding a runoff with his Communist Party opponent, Gennady Zyuganov,.[7] He was reelected President in 2004 with 72% of the vote.
It may depend on the field. At a school like Columbia, the PhD students in a subject like Chemistry have to work very hard.
Dan, while there are bad apples in any social group, including intellectuals, Putin is not a good example, as he is no intellectual. He cultivates a “gopnik” persona in his speech and manners (”gopnik” = а two-bit criminal thug who makes his living by holding up and robbing passersby). Except that’s not a persona, that’s who he is.
He hails from a working class family of KGB informants. He studied poorly, but he learned martial arts and joined juvenile gangs, who were beating up and robbing those kids who did study.
He didn’t get to the university on merit. He got in, because he was recruited into an established organized crime gang as a “muscle”, and was sponsored by his crime boss “papa” who had connections with KGB. That’s why Putin started working for KGB while still in school, instead of studying law. While others studied, he informed on them, and smashed the heads of dissidents for KGB, and worked for his “thieve-in-law” benefactor.
Russia is our good friend. Just like you/Donk/rental/jingle/azdude/Redmond/TearsOfDebt is my good friend.
I am from a very working class family and so is Steve Bannon. If you succeed from a working class family, you tend to be even more intelligent than the persons that get into “good schools” due to their parents’ success.
сам гонешь самогон или друг приносит ?
Иди на хуй, ольгинец.
“I am from a very working class family ”
But you are not a “gopnik”, and you’re not KGB.
The main clue was not that he was from a working family, but from a family of KGB informants. That’s scum. That’s lowest of the low. And he joined organized crime. That makes him a double piece of shit.
не понял……. ты ёбнулся ?
It’s funny how I ask you a question that I think only a native Russian could answer and you don’t answer it. You just tell me to f myself. The art of not answering a question by answering a question.
вопрос был ерьезный
Which field of study was this Iranian student at Columbia working in? If it’s ANYthing other than experimental chemistry, physics, or REAL engineering (not IT), then most of his materials are on his laptop and he can “continue his scholarly life”
from Canada. At worst, if there’s stuff at Columbia he needs, his buddies at Columbia can email it to him.
If he’s a real STEM and had an experiment running (doubtful), he should never have left it over the weekend anyway. His buddies in the lab can shut things off for him and he can start over, lesson learned. He should stop his crying and use the temporary hold-up to spend more time with his fiance.
Are you comparing a Columbia Ph.D. student with a Mexican strawberry picker illegal?”
No, a Ph.D student in chemistry has the knowledge to make a very impressive bomb and would have access to the materials. Most strawberry pickers would not have similar knowledge.
“вопрос был ерьезный”
Ответ был еще серьезнее. Which part of “get lost” did you not understand?
Пошел. На хуй. Путинский холуй. Так понятно? Иди поцелуй своего фюрера в задницу.
I am from a very working class family and so is Steve Bannon. If you succeed from a working class family, you tend to be even more intelligent than the persons that get into “good schools” due to their parents’ success.
Take a look at that Breitbart.com. Bannon succeeded at being an a–hole.
“a Ph.D student in chemistry has the knowledge to make a very impressive bomb and would have access to the materials.”
True, and that’s why they need to be vetted both before and after they get here - along with native-born scientists, including those of the purest white Christian heritage (money or crazy talks to anyone).
Should I remind everyone of Timothy McVeigh? White, working class, not a scientist, a gun freak. Killed 168 people with a bomb.
By the way, for those watching our little play by play with “Michael Viking” (and company, LOL). That’s Russian operatives, the real ones, sniffing out those who are not supportive of their Great Leader. Probing, pinning down, gathering names, making lists.
Fascist pigs.
Folks, I’m not kidding. Remember everything you knew of old-school KGB. It’s back.
Anyone who calls the president a Nazi is advocating for his assassination and is an enemy of every American.
That doesn’t make any sense. Then the people who call themselves Nazis would be advocating their own assassinations.
“Anyone who calls the president a Nazi is advocating for his assassination and is an enemy of every American.”
First, I called Stephen Bannon a Nazi, not the President.
Second, First Amendment. I can call the President whatever I want.
This is not Russia, my friend.
Perhaps you’ve been a long time on this board, but you sure smell like a rat.
Sorry I know people that know Steve Bannon well and they do not believe he is a Nazi. So I can believe you or I can believe friends I have known for decades. I am going with them.
Which field of study was this Iranian student at Columbia working in? If it’s ANYthing other than experimental chemistry, physics, or REAL engineering (not IT), then most of his materials are on his laptop and he can “continue his scholarly life”
from Canada. At worst, if there’s stuff at Columbia he needs, his buddies at Columbia can email it to him.
Good point. It’s not like he needs to attend class like an undergrad. He can skype with his profs/advisors.
Hey snowflake, please allow me to make a suggestion. Relax, because Trump is going to go the full eight years. Accept it and move on.
Like the last guy said…elections have consequences.
Obama banned Cubans from America a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.scpr.org/news/2017/01/12/68072/obama-administration-ends-refugee-policy-that-favo/
And you said nothing……..
Usually, Ph.D. students are expected to work as teaching assistants. Skype is no go.
Again, it depends on the field of study, and how far he was into his PhD program.
1. There are very very few liberal arts teaching assistants; most have to pay their own way.
2. At least in STEM, after the first two years the students usually no longer are required to teach undergraduates. The thesis adviser applies for grant money and the student studies and does research full-time.
3. Precious teaching slots, especially in the liberal arts, are usually given to American students. Foreign students are more likely to pay their own way. This is why schools admit so many foreign students in the first place — to pay full freight tuition.
At worst this is a three month delay, and I’m sure Columbia will accommodate.
NYChk: “This disaster is just a Nazi pandering to his base, while making the country weaker and less safe than ever before.”
Do you not read your own posts? Consider slowing down so as to avoid a meltdown.
Sure freedom of speech, and you can pretend not to understand the implications. Fortunately, here you are not getting an easily manipulated audience.
Blue Skye, it’s you who are pretending not to understand the implications. You quite revealed yourself, my friend. Poorly familiar with the U.S. Constitution, but so well versed in Kremlin’s talking points, how peculiar.
As for Trump. Bannon is in charge of strategy, and he was coming up with this moronic order, while little baby Trump was watching Finding Dory. Bannon is a leader of alt-right movement that got Trump elected (with Russian help). Hence, a Nazi pandering to his base.
(Sorry, Dan, IMHO white supremacists are Nazis. Believing in superiority of one’s race or nationality is the schoolbook definition of a Nazi.)
Finding Dory is all about family re-unification.
@ oxide - “At worst this is a three month delay, and I’m sure Columbia will accommodate.”
Usually graduate and postgraduate students live hand-to-mouth. Who’s going to accommodate his extended stay in Canada? Is he even allowed to stay in Canada that long (we don’t know what kind of short-term Canadian visa he has)?
It’s cruel punishment, with very questionable benefit.
Why punish a Ph.D. student for the horrible crime of not being born in one of the Muslim countries where Trump has business dealings? Very, very poorly thought out.
I know Trump is in the White House and NYchk addressed this Nazi comment to “the current White House”.
The shape shifting is not working.
The guy is stranded at his girlfriend’s place in Canada.
“It’s cruel punishment”
Actually, this has happened to me a time or two. It can be quite pleasant.
Usually, Ph.D. students are expected to work as teaching assistants.
As oxide pointed out above, only some do, for a stipend.
I am fairly certain that the PTB at Columbia will waive his tuition and fees, and maybe even forward him his TA stipend (if he was getting one)
@ Blue Skye - “I know Trump is in the White House and NYchk addressed this Nazi comment to “the current White House”.
The shape shifting is not working.”
But you don’t know what First Amendment means, and you don’t know enough to get the Bannon-Nazi-chief strategist-muslim ban connection.
You’re right, your shifting absolutely does not work, comrade.
NYChk is right. The ban was clumsy, illegal and doesn’t target countries where terrorists have come from (Saudi Arabia). The administration is obviously in over their heads. I’m not hyperventilating or protesting about it because it will be thrown out in court. And hopefully some Customs and Border Protection folk that defied court orders will go to jail, even though it is really the fault of lack of direction by the administration.
I’m wondering when Congress is going to grow a pair and put an end to this executive overreach nonsense.
If you think that’s the point of the EO, you’re fooling yourself.
“And you still want a free ride. Not gonna happen. Now Gretchen me another bag of Cheetos.”
lol. Almost fell out of my chair. Much said is few words. We need Trump to add the Cheetos when he bops a snowflake reporter. Headline would read “Source of Trump’s orangeness revealed”.
I’m wondering when Congress is going to grow a pair and put an end to this executive overreach nonsense.
Congress doesn’t want to do its work. It’s been this way for ages. We have been giving more and more power to executives and judiciaries.
By the way, for those watching our little play by play with “Michael Viking” (and company, LOL). That’s Russian operatives, the real ones, sniffing out those who are not supportive of their Great Leader. Probing, pinning down, gathering names, making lists.
Fascist pigs.
Folks, I’m not kidding. Remember everything you knew of old-school KGB. It’s back.
I know somebody who thinks I’m a realtor, but being a Russian operative is way cooler! P-bear, are you catching this? I’m a Russian operative undercover as a realtor! How cool is that?
Think of Putin’s amazing foresight and planning! Can you imagine how cool he must be to have planted me here about ~12 years ago so that when Trump became president I’d be all set to sniff out people who don’t support him? You gotta give that guy loads of props.
On the other hand it could just be that NYchk kook. Use Occam’s razor to decide.
I’m a Russian operative undercover as a realtor! How cool is that?
very cool, and it’s most perceptive of her! it makes me wonder what else she knows that she’s not telling us!
anyway, i want to congratulate you on your deep cover work, but it’s all for naught now because you’ve been outed by a pro.
@ tj -
It’s interesting, that you keep vouching for pro-Putin posters.
Biased, much?
Who are you, again?
Meanwhile, the same posters started first accusing *me* of being an “operative” (what a word, LOL). How curious.
I’m sure that there are no Russian operatives or paid propagandists on this blog, or on any online forum in the U.S., E.U., or Russia, or anywhere in real life at all. I also hereby proclaim my loyal devotion to our Greatest Leader That Ever Lived, Putin The Magnificent, may FSB and SVR protect his rule in all eternity, against all enemies foreign and domestic, Amen.
Biased, much?
i’m biased plenty.
i see from your previous posts that you practically worship intellectuals. from what you write, i believe you fancy yourself one.
can you define the word for me? not what the dictionary says, but what you think it is.
for instance, would you call someone with PHD in engineering or mathematics an ‘intellectual’? or does it have to be in some social ’science’ or philosophy?
here’s what i think NYchk. i think you’ve been indoctrinated into socialist thinking by the leftist institutions you paid to educate you.
i think you’ve been indoctrinated into socialist thinking by the leftist institutions you paid to educate you.
You’re mistaken. I’m a centrist, not a leftie.
As for my supposed worshiping “intellectual”, you are right only as far as we define “intellectual” as the opposite of “stupid”. Me don’t like stupid. Me like smart.
If you’re asking how I’d define “intellectuals” as a social group, I’d say it’s people who are well-educated (could be self-taught) and knowledgeable about whatever their field of study (any field). I’d want to say also “more than average knowledgeable about the world”, but that wouldn’t be true at all, because quite a few of “intellectuals” are rather limited in what they choose to know (i.e., could be very deep, but not at all broad).
IMO, it’s both people with scientific (logical, critical thinking) and emotional (music, art) types of mind. The common characteristic is that they develop their brain and use it to try to perceive and change the world.
You’re mistaken. I’m a centrist, not a leftie.
i suspect you’re to the left of your score on the quiz you took. it might have been subconscious.
As for my supposed worshiping “intellectual”, you are right only as far as we define “intellectual” as the opposite of “stupid”.
so i was correct that you worship intellectuals. and by the way, your definition seems inaccurate, and should lead to many misunderstandings in discussions.
Me don’t like stupid. Me like smart.
what you’re roughly saying is that you like philosophy or maybe philosophers.
knowledgeable about whatever their field of study (any field).
like engineering? no one on earth calls engineers ‘intellectuals’.
because quite a few of “intellectuals” are rather limited in what they choose to know..
ah yes, those ‘limited’ intellectuals.
IMO, it’s both people with scientific (logical, critical thinking) and emotional (music, art) types of mind.
scientific and emotional intellectuals. interesting dichotomy.
i think your definition needs work. louis pasteur was a scientist. they called him a genius, not an intellectual.
LOL, you made up your definition of what I “worship”, but I’m not rising to the bait to defend myself against your imaginary framing of what I might, or might not, believe.
just like your definition.. making no sense.
Speaking of Harvard……..
In a voicemail to employees on Sunday, Blankfein said diversity was a hallmark of Goldman’s success, and if the temporary freeze became permanent, it could create “disruption” for the bank and its staff.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-companies-goldm-idUSKBN15E1H2?il=0
I’m sure they hire hundreds of Iraqi and Yemeni quants every year. /sarc
LOL.
Gimme, gimme, gimme, or you’re a moron.
About a century ago my grandmother had to wait two years to come over here from Scotland. People in her home were starving. She was well short of 5 ft and her grandchildren are all at or over 6 ft tall. Once she crossed over to Canada and couldn’t get back in right away. I am absolutely sure she did not call the Americans morons. She was respectful and patient to once again enjoy one of the greatest privileges in the world, which is to live in the USA. She wouldn’t ever go over to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls after that.
I am impressed by the rhetoric of the past days. Outrage that a tiny few travelers were not admitted immediately. Did anyone get hurt? I don’t think so. Hell, I’ve been stranded a time or two and survived. Oh, it’s an inconvenience. Outrage over the innocents that have been slaughtered by crazys over the past few years? It doesn’t seem to be part of the dialog the press carries in the least.
Don’t worry, the Canadians will kiss the professor’s behind and keep him comfortable while things get normalized. Normal, it isn’t always what everyone wants.
You mean she didn’t get “pissed” like the muslims and use that as an excuse to start killing people?
Hey, anyone notice how quickly the fake legacy news media dropped the Quebec mosque shooting…
Any bets how long the news cycle on that would have been with 24/7 coverage if the shooter was a white Trump supporter?
Actually, I put the question in the muslim vs. muslim attack for a reason. There seem to be something wrong with the story. One attacker clearly seem to be a Muslim, the other seem to be anti-Muslim. Now, only the anti-Muslim seems to have been involved. Looks like just a nut job.
Any bets how long the news cycle on that would have been with 24/7 coverage if the shooter was a white Trump supporter?
He was a white Trump supporter.
Quebec City Mosque Shooting Suspect Criticized Refugees and Supported President Trump Online
Mahita Gajanan
Jan 30, 2017
The suspect in the shooting at a Quebec City mosque was known as an Internet troll who frequently voiced his support for President Donald Trump online.
Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, who is the suspect in the Islamic Cultural Center of Quebec shooting that left six people dead and 19 others injured, was known among the city’s activist circles for making Facebook comments in support of extreme-right-wing and nationalistic views, the Globe and Mail reported on Monday.
Inspired by French nationalist leader Marine Le Pen, Bissonnette began clashing with others online by attacking refugees and writing of his support for Le Pen and Trump, according to the Globe and Mail.
http://time.com/4654434/alexandre-bissonnette-quebec-mosque-shooting-donald-trump-marie-le-pen/
BTW, how this was handled actually shows the bias of the MSM. Story was big when it appeared to be an attack on Muslims, then it disappeared when it appeared to be Muslim on Muslim and then reappeared with a vengeance when the Muslim dropped out as being an attacker.
BTW, how this was handled actually shows the bias of the MSM.
And you’re surprised, because?
Story was big when it appeared to be an attack on Muslims, then it disappeared when it appeared to be Muslim on Muslim and then reappeared with a vengeance when the Muslim dropped out as being an attacker.
I doubt that you’ve been following the MSM that closely or that you could actually provide a timeline to back up that assertion.
It had largely disappeared yesterday when it appeared to be Muslim on Muslim. The night before all over the media. This morning it was back. The timeline is obvious. Yes, I was following it. Sorry you are wrong again, thanks for playing.
I doubt that you’ve been following the MSM that closely or that you could actually provide a timeline to back up that assertion.
then prove him wrong.
you mainly ‘doubt’ and use other weasel words to avoid having to take a stand. you do it to undermine a position without having to have much ’skin’ in the game. you seldom do your own ‘legwork’ in countering an argument. sometimes you do, but not much. and it seems you do it less and less since the election.
you are always with the ‘may be’ or ‘probably’ in your main argument. Dan took a stand. why don’t you?
“Inspired by French nationalist leader Marine Le Pen, Bissonnette began clashing with others online by attacking refugees and writing of his support for Le Pen and Trump”
Inspired by Le Pen? Now, that’s interesting.
Marine Le Pen is financed by Russians. Recently she publicly asked for more money from them.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2007/06/look-to-milton-open-borders-and-the-welfare-state
umm yea I think he’s right .
I hope we didn’t lose a future gender/black studies prof !
While it goes against the grain, I have to agree with NYchk. The travel ban was arbitrary, poorly coordinated, ineptly implemented, and rides roughshod over the rights of American citizens and legal residents. This does not reflect well on the Trump administration.
‘I have to agree with NYchk’
You should stamp your little feet too. And make a video wailing for our pleasure.
Ben, what happened to you? Is the company you keep rubbing off on you?
Come on, we’re not enemies. There’s a common ground.
No there’s not. We will NOT go to war against Russia.
‘what happened to you?’
OK, I’ll repeat it for the thousandth time. I was a 100% open borders libertarian. I moved to the US border for 5 years and realized we can have open borders or a safety net, but not both.
So? I’m also not for open borders.
NYChek,
You owe Palmy an apology.
‘I’m also not for open borders.’
I am here to tell you you have your head up your ass. We are shutting the open borders down as we speak!
Oh my, she might blow a gasket.
Better than blowing a bomb in russia. Lucky for us it’s not gonna happen under Trump. She will have to wait for another Hillry I guess.
moved to the US border for 5 years and realized we can have open borders or a safety net, but not both.
Exactly, I wish the Koch Brothers would understand that.
“We are shutting the open borders down as we speak!”
We’re not. This stupid measure does nothing to fix our open borders problem. And it does nothing to “protect” us; all prior terrorists were from the countries not on the list. But it does hurt innocent people, while simultaneously making us all much less safe than we were a few days ago.
While I’m in favor of reforming and reducing the refugee program (it’s abused, IMHO), there are so few of them immigrating each year, it’s the least of our problems. Family immigration, citizenship by virtue of birth, abuses of student and work visas, lack of enforcement regarding illegals - there’re so many problems to fix.
These issues are very complex, and fixing them requires serious thought and careful assessment and planning. It also requires a level of competence which is severely lacking in the current White House.
Why start with detaining green card holders? Refusing entry to those who already had been vetted, and waited years to come? Why leave in a lurch those with valid visas who lived in the U.S. for years, and just happened to be out of the country for a funeral, or a business trip, or vacation, or visiting a sick relative?
Why abandon refugees who risked their lives working for American troops, who sold everything they had, finally prepared to start their new life in a country they worked for, for years, and who are now stuck hanging in the wind, with their wives and kids, in foreign airports, unable to return home because they are at mortal risk for their work for Americans? Why deny entry to a renowned cardiologist, who’s so talented he was invited to Harvard? Why deny entry to a brilliant student who won a fellowship to Stanford (do you have any idea what it takes for such an accomplishment)?
It’s sadistic and stupid, and fruitless. This disaster is just a Nazi pandering to his base, while making the country weaker and less safe than ever before.
@ Blue Skye - “You owe Palmy an apology.”
Life’s unfair. I’m not holding my breath expecting sincere apologies from either of you. “Haters gonna hate”, LOL.
Peace be with you.
Relax. Learn to love Mr. President Trump.
“Comment by Blue Skye
2017-01-30 22:00:40
NYChek,
You owe Palmy an apology.”
Thanks, Blue, but I don’t require one. This is an unfortunate illustration of immigration failure in the US.
Patience and kindness. Let her work it out.
“Or else”?
LOL
Cheer up my good friend. Cheer up.
“This is an unfortunate illustration of immigration failure in the US.”
Sure, palmy, sure. It’s horrible when immigrants outperform the natives. Makes one feel insecure and forgotten. But fear not, it’s…
Spring Time,
for Hitler,
and Germany!
It was a test.
Lordy be.
Immigration is like housing mortgages. When the requirements are strict, then you can be sure you have solid immigrants and solid mortgages. The minute you loosen the standards and allow in the masses simply because they can fog a mirror, suddenly the formerly dependable immigrants and mortgages are not dependable and should be treated as such, despite how it was in the past. Those small towns in Norway who bought MBS ca. 2005 learned a lesson.
NYCHK, when you immigrated, the requirements were stricter, or at least there were a lot fewer of you. So of course you were outperforming the natives. You were expected to. That’s the very reason you were let in in the first place. Now, the low-skilled people streaming over the boarder, the cheap H1-Bs flying in daily, are not outperforming the natives. They are just making the natives look expensive. Trump made it very clear that he wants to get away from the fog-a-mirror model of immigration and back to the older and higher standards. And the American middle class, which also learned a lesson, gave him traction.
Immigration is like housing mortgages. When the requirements are strict, then you can be sure you have solid immigrants and solid mortgages. The minute you loosen the standards and allow in the masses simply because they can fog a mirror, suddenly the formerly dependable immigrants and mortgages are not dependable and should be treated as such, despite how it was in the past
Some of my great-grandparents came over through Elllis Island a little over a hundred years ago. As far I know, the requirements weren’t strict. Two of my great-grandfather got jobs as coal miners as Pennsylvania, which is hard work.
That’s 100 years ago, just before laborer jobs were subsumed by giant machines. What were the immigration requirement 20 years ago?
@palmetto - “the low-skilled people streaming over the boarder, the cheap H1-Bs flying in daily”
I fully support an immigration reform, including the refugee program, which would help fix our open borders inequities and security holes, as I explained above.
But that’s not what you meant by “immigration failure, patience and kindness”, was it? LOL
Although I must admit, I prefer you polite, so keep it up. Much better job than before.
“Some of my great-grandparents came over through Elllis Island a little over a hundred years ago. As far I know, the requirements weren’t strict.”
Mine, too. The requirements were strict by today’s standards. You had to be of sound mind and body.
we can have open borders or a safety net, but not both.
Exactly, I wish the Koch Brothers would understand that.
I’m sure the Koch brothers understand that very well. The open borders immigrants do the work for cheap. The displaced Americans collect welfare paid for by taxes and/or borrowed money. The profit is privatized while the risks are socialized. Standard-issue corporatism.
Some of my great-grandparents came over through Elllis Island a little over a hundred years ago. As far I know, the requirements weren’t strict. Two of my great-grandfather got jobs as coal miners as Pennsylvania, which is hard work.
They were medically checked and they were asked about the groups they belong to in the “old country” any sign they were medically unfit to work or belonged to say anarchist groups and they were on the next boat back.
The Koch brothers are against the social net and for open borders. They understand everything just fine.
It’s those libertarians who follow them, who don’t.
Ultimately it is logically inconsistent, the people you bring it will eventually vote for the welfare benefits for themselves. It is really short term thinking to believe you can have large number of poor people that cannot provide themselves with a reasonable life due to lack of skills or intellect and they will not vote for socialism.
That would be true of nearly everyone. If people from Western Europe were allowed in, they’d eventually vote for the welfare states that they had in their home countries.
It is logically consistent if one’s plan is to replace democracy with authoritarianism. Chip away at liberty and freedom (”no government” equals “anarchy” equals “only the very rich and powerful have rights”). Kill public education (the uneducated are much easier to control). Kill social net (the hungry and desperate are even easier to control than uneducated). Then rule.
The only reason Kochs now object to Trump’s authoritarianism is because someone else, not them, might get to be an autocrat.
I think their plan is to impeach Trump and replace him with Pence (who’s always been a Koch creature).
I think their plan is to impeach Trump and replace him with Pence (who’s always been a Koch creature)
Finally something sensible from you. Bravo!
How do you make italics? Thanks.
Dececco pasta and a jar of Ragu
How do you make italics? Thanks.
“ ” Putin invented that.
NYchk, this blog uses Wordpress software. To make italics, use pointy brackets both before and after. The “/” tells the computer when to end the italics.
italics <— take out the spaces to make this work
bold <— take out the spaces to make this work
For smiley faces, this page shows you how: Some of the smilies work, but not all. https://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
Wordpress? Lets try.
Whoo-hoo! Thanks, oxide.
The only reason Kochs now object to Trump’s authoritarianism is because someone else, not them, might get to be an autocrat.
Sorry, the Kochs opposed Trump during the primary, and never supported him during his presidential run.
http://fortune.com/2016/10/16/koch-brothers-gop-senate/
“The brothers and many of their wealthy donor friends who fund the political and policy groups known as the Koch network have no interest in backing Trump. In a television interview in April, Charles Koch called Clinton and Trump “terrible role models” and trashed Trump’s “monstrous” proposal for a temporary ban of foreign Muslims entering the U.S.”
“For smiley faces, this page shows you how: Some of the smilies work, but not all. https://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies”
Thank YOU, oxy. I wuz wondering how to do that, I was winging it and sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t.
Just for that, I’m calling InfoWars to see if I can get you a date with PJW.
Whoo-hoo, it’s working! Thanks, oxide.
Who’s PJW?
@ Rental Watch -
I’m not suggesting Kochs ever supported Trump. I am saying that the only reason they now oppose “authoritarianism” (while promoting policies that would naturally lead to it) is because someone else, not them, gets to be an autocrat.
I think they’ll stop complaining if Pence replaces Trump.
lol@donk
lol@babycarrot
I’m not suggesting Kochs ever supported Trump. I am saying that the only reason they now oppose “authoritarianism” (while promoting policies that would naturally lead to it) is because someone else, not them, gets to be an autocrat.
What policies do they support that would lead to authoritarianism?
Criminal justice reform?
Education?
Elimination of corporate welfare?
Just curious what policies you find so offensive.
You do realize that the Kochs became politically active because they didn’t like GWB, right?
♥PJW♥ is Paul Joseph Watson, one of the hosts of Alex Jones conservative radio show. Alex Jones is an ultra-conservative conspiracy theorist. ♥PJW♥ is a Brit in London who does his own opinion YouTube videos. His trademark is assembling snippets which show some hypocrisies of liberals and feminists. Luckily, he doesn’t seem to ascribe to the conspiracy theories like Alex does.
Here is a youtube of his greatest moments from 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EkEbge169s
Kochs support mostly what will make them richer. Denying climate change, demolishing EPA and restricting environmental regulation is very very good for their chemical business. Lowering taxes is also an obvious benefit.
But also:
- they fight against public education
- they fight against the social net
- they fight for maximum restriction of the government
The way this leads to authoritarianism is as follows:
Educated well-off people are the best support of democracy: they are independent and ready to fight, if their freedoms are infringed upon.
Uneducated hungry desolate masses, on the other hand, are very easy to control. Lenin whore something like this: “he who controls access to food, controls the minds; make the masses go hungry, then control them through food”. He also wrote something about “intellectuals being the worst enemy” (of his revolution goons).
The lack of education leads to ignorance, the lack of social protections leads to desolation. Most importantly, the lack of government leads to anarchy where the strong (the rich) pray upon the weak (the regular folks), without any impunity. All that leads to authoritarianism.
Thanks, oxy. Interesting.
“arbitrary, poorly coordinated, ineptly implemented, and rides roughshod over the rights of…”
Apparently you have not traveled to many other sovereign countries. The alien does not have a “right” to enter, it is at our pleasure only. Arbitrary possibly, but a strong message to start the dialog. Poorly coordinated? I think not. Not in the least. Swiftly coordinated. Inept? LOL.
Why isn’t anyone criticizing Obama for putting this procedure in place under law?
People are wailing that immigrants here are now all scared.
Good. Maybe they’ll learn to be more respectful and appreciative. I am constantly shocked at the way a lot of these people behave. Time to put the world on notice.
If I had been born and living in any other country besides the USA, the single most greatest thing that could possibly happen would be a big bloody war breaking out. I would pray for it to happen, every single day of my life. The bloodier the better.
Because then I’d get my automatic lifetime free meal ticket in the USA.
Because then I’d get my automatic lifetime free meal ticket in the USA.
How does that happen?
The chances of US civil war is a lot higher than a full scale global war IMO.
It doesn’t make any sense in the first place. There are millions of refugees in countries neighboring Syria as well as many other places all over the world. They have very little hope, statistically, of making it to America.
Irrelevant
@ Karen - “Maybe they’ll learn to be more respectful and appreciative. I am constantly shocked at the way a lot of these people behave. Time to put the world on notice.”
“These people”? Really, honey?
My, my… and yet it’s “these people” (above) who are sanctimoniously blaming others for their supposed elitism and disrespect of blue-collar class (wrong!), while simultaneously whining about others’ supposed lack of proper respect for their native-born superiority (wow).
I think there’s a word for it. Oh, yeah, “white privilege”.
“arbitrary, poorly coordinated, ineptly implemented, and rides roughshod over the rights of…”
I thought we were talking about the travel ban and not Obamacare?
Drone his a$$. All will be forgiven.
This is all ridiculous and we covered it this weekend with the neoliberal thing and how it’s not new nor is it liberal. Today we have all these horrified CEO’s. A few weeks ago they were sitting around Davos with reporters calling them elites. What is the difference between the US and Mexico? They have a class system and we don’t. The indigenous people are poor and the descendants of the European countries have all the land and money.
It’s racist to say the only way a Mexican can have a US standard of living is to move to and live in the US. As one link I provided Saturday pointed out: neo-liberalism (globalism) is neo-colonialism. Supposedly, open borders is compassionate. Wouldn’t it be more compassionate if Mexico had a system that offered higher standards of living? Not just for the current generations, but all generations to come. Wouldn’t it be better if instead of settling Syrians all over the world that we put an end to the war and they could live in Syria? The pro-open borders thing is false compassion. Neoliberalism/globalism/regime change is oppressive. Now that we’ve given it 30 or 40 years, it’s proven to have failed. It’s failed us to the extent we are told the only way we’ll gain wealth is to own houses or stocks which most of us don’t have but such a policy surely benefits those that do.
These people don’t have a high moral ground. Look at the “elites” who agree with them.
More truth POW in the kisser.
Right now here on the blog we seem to have a tiny microcosm of what is taking place around the country, in the press, etc.
This is what happens when you have a bad situation that has carried on too long, where people have taken advantage (politicians, NGOs, corporations, other countries and immigrants alike) and the punch bowl is getting taken away. When someone starts putting in order, disorder peels off in messy chunks. You have to ignore the disorder and keep putting order in. It is not a job for the faint of heart, that’s why no one has attempted it yet on any effective level. It’s the same with someone trying to restore sanity, lots of insanity comes up like a big puke. Like plunging a clogged toilet or clearing a sewer line. What comes out is foul and smelly, but it has to be done.
Wouldn’t it be better if instead of settling Syrians all over the world that we put an end to the war and they could live in Syria?
Put an end to the war in [insert country here]? How? Outright takeover and occupation? Too expensive, can’t sustain, people hate you. Installing a preferred dictator? The CIA is famous for trying this and just making things worse. Sending arms to one “good” side? Won’t work in the Middle East, where the good side shifts all the time. Sending “advisers?” Too many bodies. Droning? We know how you feel about that. Give up and leave them alone entirely? That appears to be Trump’s plan. And all those methods just produce more refugees no matter what you do or don’t do.
The only way to stop creating refugees is to (1) get the Muslims to give up their 1400-year war of Sunni vs. Shiite (2) hand out copious amounts of birth control and hope the men don’t take it as an insult to their manhood.
Neither will happen.
Downtown Boston, MA Rental Rates Crater 5% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/downtown-boston-ma/home-values/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/trump-roll-fires-director-immigration-and-customs-enforcement
Trump On A Roll, Fires Director Of Immigration And Customs Enforcement
“Having said the infamous words “you’re fired” once already this evening, when President Trump relieved acting AG Sally Yates of her duties just after 9pm Eastern, and perhaps realizing just how much he missed the sound, moments ago Trump also relieved acting Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director Daniel Ragsdale, who was replaced with Thomas Homan, who previously led ICE’s “efforts to identify, arrest, detain, and remove illegal aliens, including those who present a danger to national security or are a risk to public safety, as well as those who enter the United States illegally or otherwise undermine the integrity of our immigration laws and our border control efforts.”
Sorry NYCHIC, those bagels are going up.
I think the price of eggs might be going up too.
I never believed when he said drain the swamp. Maybe just maybe there’s something to it.
sweet! didn’t know u could fire a gov worker unless they said the n word or asked the same chick out twice(HER.ass.Ment)
The acting Attorney General and the head of ICE were probably political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the President. They can be fired. Yates herself knew that she was going to be out of a job in a few days anyway, when Session is confirmed. My guess is that she has already been lining up jobs in the private sector or a DC NGO, so she can afford the punishment. I don’t know about the head of ICE.
It’s the low-level non-partisan bureaucrats that can’t be fired at a whim.
Apparently “the pleasure of the President” was lacking.
Yup, which is why Yates is no longer serving.
Meanwhile, the head of ICE, Dan Ragsdale, was *not* fired. He had been Deputy Director. When the Director stepped down after the election, Ragsdale was appointed Acting Directo, which is usually pretty automatic. Trump simply pushed Ragsdale back down to Deputy Director and put the someone else as Director. He wasn’t fired; he just had a very short-lived promotion.
The move seems to be a clear message to Mexico. The new Acting Director was an associate director of Enforcement and Removal.
Only the able and willing need show up.
Enforcing the laws of the United States, he must be a Nazi. (much sarcasm, I should not have to write that but sometimes people quote me without the context).
Never saw it.
Whining Crying Rioting - Hillary Millennial Theme Song - Dana Kamide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlHZh5dvbA
Is lying legal if the President does it?
You mean like: “If you like your doctor, you can keep or doctor.”
Or how about this one: “I never had sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.”
Oh jp, the troll is just angry that the President is doing what he said he was going to do. In Spades.
To be fair to Obama, he didn’t lie when he said that.
The short version is that it was insurance companies who took away the doctors, not Obama.
This is one of the liberal ideals that I retained. The health insurance companies are death panels which play the game and swindle the sick for their own profit. For that alone they deserve to be punished with a public option.
If we are to have the misleadingly named “public option” the entire health insurance industry should be removed completely.
Here ya go @AltFacts
This may help…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-8aoQsmKjk
Anyone wishing to use this “stamp your little feet” tutorial is more than welcome.
Pat Buchanan weighs in on the travel ban.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/31/the-first-firestorm/
If the federal government does something stupid, is it best to assume the reason was incompetence rather than malevolence?
Walk the walk
Liquidate and pay your reparations.
Got gold?
http://www.kitco.com/market/
MSM = Propaganda
CBS Morning “News” just did a spot on how the “Ban” will affect the Super Bowl.
Interviewed some Muslim player ‘blah blah blah” at the end of the interview his mother will be able to fly in because she is from Sierra Leone a country not affected by the ban.
“his mother will be able to fly in because she is from Sierra Leone a country not affected by the ban.”
When some are oppressed, none are free.
“When some are oppressed, none are free.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM
Even if she were from a country on the list, not being able to fly in to see the Superbowl in person is hardly “oppression.”
Hey Donk
“not being able to fly in to see the Superbowl in person is hardly “oppression.””
Humiliation and discrimination based purely on one’s place of origin is oppression.
Humiliation and discrimination based purely on one’s place of origin is oppression.
Not a peep out of anyone if we were to drone her a$$. I guess there’s no humiliation/discrimination/oppression involved when murdering someone.
Now we see the violence inherent in the system. Help help I’m being repressed!
CBS Morning “News” just did a spot on how the “Ban” will affect the Super Bowl.
Because Iranians, Iraqis and Yemenis just flock to the Souperbowl every year. /sarc
I’ll bet the average Mohammed in those countries has never watched and possibly never even heard of the Souperbowl.
Killing them is OK.
Barring them temporarily - Hitler!
Amerikka, what a fukushima!
I prefer neither, but the selective outrage is dangerous to their mental health.
Bombing innocent people - good
Banning potential terrorists - bad
People seem to forget that entering any country (the USA included) as a foreigner is a privilege, not a right.
AltFacts = Pravda.
@AltFacts
Have you liquidated yet?
BLM Anti-Trump Protest In Seattle: ‘We Need To Start Killing People’
JUSTIN CARUSO
3:32 PM 01/30/2017
She also says, “White people, give your fuc#ing money, your fuc#ing house, your fuc#ing property, we need it fuc#ing all,” as another protester responds “reparations!”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/30/blm-anti-trump-protest-in-seattle-we-need-to-start-killing-people/#ixzz4XLtjXHYs
The true colors are a-flyin’ !!
Wonder if Trump will get around to declaring BLM a terrorist organization? Their members certainly make a lot of terroristic threats.
#blacklivesmatter (under certain circumstances?)
http://homicides.suntimes.com/
under certain circumstances?
What the hell does that mean?
MightyMike
Walk the walk
Liquidate and pay your reparations.
“White people, give your fuc#ing money, your fuc#ing house, your fuc#ing property, we need it fuc#ing all,” as another protester responds “reparations!”
liquidate
verb (used with object), liquidated, liquidating.
1. to settle or pay (a debt):
to liquidate a claim.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/liquidate
It’s really great that there are so many web sites that track down and report on the worst African-American behavior that can be found. That must provide you with great satisfaction, reading about that.
In my opinion it is not the opinion of one person that is the story, it is the fact that at a large BLM gathering, there did not appear to be dissenting voices. Any decent organization would have cut her mike immediately.
So I guess, from his refusal to answer the question, that Mike isn’t planning on paying any fuc#ing reparations.
I thought BLM was the Bureau of Land Management. Isn’t that the terrorist organization that you are talking about?
Actually Ben has a beef with the Bureau of Land Management too. He thinks that all that gov-owned land should be carved up and sold to private sellers. I disagree. That land generates lots of leases and fees. No need to kill the goose which is laying the golden eggs.
That land generates lots of leases and fees. No need to kill the goose which is laying the golden eggs.
that’s a cooked goose. more revenue would come from profits taxed from the land in private hands. no need for property taxes either. just put a sales tax at the end of the spigot.
“It’s really great that there are so many web sites that track down and report on the worst African-American behavior that can be found.”
Track down?
How hard is it to find a BLM Anti-Trump Protest In Seattle?
The MSM just doesn’t cover it.
PS
The crowd looked to be mostly White Privileged.
How hard is it to find a BLM Anti-Trump Protest In Seattle?
I’m not talking tracking down one protest. Your favorite web sites scan the news from every corner of the country looking for black behavior that will enrage you.
MightyMike
Walk the walk
Liquidate and pay your reparations.
Walk the walk?
Explain that.
Irrelevant.
Liquidate. Put your money where your mouth is.
You’re not making any sense. My mouth is not where you think it is.
You’re backpedalling again.
Pravda = Truth (Russian to English translation)
No truth in Pravda and no news in Izvestia was the old joke when I was in college.
Sounds like CNN
Try Breitbart.
Send me your huddled masses yearning to sponge off our social services….
http://patriotnewsdaily.com/refugees-using-welfare-to-vacation-back-home/
In the USA, they say it costs us around $20,000 per refugee. And it’s also full of fraud.
http://newobserveronline.com/refugee-costs-us-taxpayers-20k/
“The “refugees” are immediately eligible for cash welfare, food stamps, housing, and medical aid to the value of $19,884 on each refugee the US takes in.”
“The impact of refugees on American population growth is far greater than their numbers alone would suggest, the report continued, pointing out that once they have Legal Permanent Resident (LPR) status, they can, for a period of two years after their arrival, petition to have immediate family members—spouses, children, and parents—join them as legal immigrants.”
“Once they have become naturalized US citizens, they can petition to have other family members—adult sons and daughters (married or unmarried), brothers and sisters—enter as legal immigrants.”
“This chain migration process is replete with fraud,” the report said.
“DNA testing reveals that as much as 90 percent of ‘family connection’ claims in some refugee groups are false. This explains why refugee groups from small, sparsely populated countries often trigger unexpectedly large inflows of legal and illegal immigrants.
“The Vietnam experience is particularly instructive. In recent years, the number of Vietnamese refugees admitted to the US has dwindled to less than 100—only 35 were admitted in 2015. Yet an average of 30,000 Vietnamese obtained LPR status each year since 2003.”
To make a small fortune by going long on Dry Ships one must start with a very large one.
http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=DRYS
Pelosi: “Is someone going to deal with this? Look at that moon. Introduce the real people now…I’ll do the real people now.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi00uBbV2J8
Nancy, you’ve been “doing” the real people for years.
Maybe Nancy can be the first president of the People’s Republic of California after they secede.
So much sound and fury.
I am licensed as an attorney in California but I sure would not like to serve at her pleasure.
Is the crime in ABQ still unbearable?
Better weather than PHX and very cheap COL. One hr to good fishing.
High yes, unbearable no. Most violent crime occurs in distinct areas.
No, she’ll be chairman of the Politburo.
LOL!
That was funny. You didn’t have to laugh at your own joke, I would have done it for ya.
Conroe, TX Housing Prices Crater 12% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/conroe-tx/home-values/
“IF YOU CAN’T DAZZLE THEM WITH FACTS, BAFFLE THEM WITH BS”
did your county spend all the echo bubble $
a. yes
so now they’ll raise taxes as prices fall
Got TABOR?
In my little burg, the city council wants to raise the sales tax. They’re saying that they want it to be the same as it is in Fort Collins. Problem is, voters have to approve the tax hike, so they’re going to give us the hard sell.
Good luck with that.
“Got
TABCRATOR?”From coast to coast.
Kenmore, WA Housing Prices Crater 5% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/kenmore-wa/home-values/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-31/biotech-stocks-slide-trump-slams-astronomical-prices-tells-drug-ceos-get-prices-down
Trump Slams “Astronomical” Drug Prices, Tells CEOs To “Get Prices Down”
President Trump intuitively knows what the problem is…….. And the solution which is falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels accelerating the economy like nothing else can.
The Great Smash of 2017.
Trump believes in higher real estate prices.
And the tooth fairy?
I bet Steven King disagrees.
LOL
Trump’s Talk About Muslims Led Acting Attorney General to Defy Ban
By MATT APUZZO
JAN. 31, 2017
As Republicans seethed over President Barack Obama’s executive action on immigration in early 2015, Senator Jeff Sessions sharply questioned Sally Q. Yates about whether she had the independent streak needed to be the Justice Department’s second in command.
Mr. Sessions, Republican of Alabama, wanted to know whether Ms. Yates, a federal prosecutor from Georgia who made her career charging domestic terrorists and white-collar criminals, would be willing to stand up to the president.
“If the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the attorney general or the deputy attorney general say no?” Mr. Sessions asked during a confirmation hearing for Ms. Yates.
“I believe the attorney general or deputy attorney general has an obligation to follow the law and Constitution and give their independent legal advice to the president,” Ms. Yates replied.
As acting attorney general on Monday, Ms. Yates faced what she believed to be the realization of that hypothetical.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/us/politics/sally-yates-trump-immigration-ban.html?_r=0
The non-political appointees reviewed the policy and found it legal. I trust them far more than her.
Can we ban white trash with less than a 12 grade education? They are a huge drain on society.
Again, the left no longer even attempts to conceal its complete and utter contempt for the white working class.
Memo to the clueless: That is why you lost.
Trump said that Hillary lost because she campaigned in the wrong states.
I recommend that the DNC double down on the hatred for the white middle class. She should have gone to Texas and told them that they’re a bunch of racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, Islamophobic bigots if they won’t vote for her.
The next Democratic candidate should do what George W. Bush did - pretend to be less intelligent than he is.
The next Democratic candidate should do what George W. Bush did - pretend to be less intelligent than he is.
Funny, he started pretending at age 18 and never stopped.
pretend to be less intelligent than he is.
But the lapdog media and the left establishment always work overtime to make them appear more smarter than they truly are.
So the MSM is to blame for Hillary’s loss.
interesting theory
Liberalism has become a boutique ideology. Wall Street is by far a greater drain on society, by several orders of magnitude, than poorly-educated white people.
And that’s why I like you, snake charmer. A true, intellectual, thoughtful liberal (I mean liberal in the way it used to be meant) with an ability to see all sides of a situation and consider things analytically and get to the truth of the matter.
And isn’t it interesting that I can consider what you have to say without having a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for being here.
Wall Street is by far a greater drain on society, by several orders of magnitude, than poorly-educated white people.
Yep. Now with six ex-GS, how we gonna get out of it?
Thanks Palmetto. The funny thing is that I’m hardly a libertarian, but the left is so clueless and lost right now that it makes me look like one. And my feeling on the housing bubble is that government demonstrably has made things worse rather than better.
central planning
India freaks out over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/technology/india-h1b-visa-trump-tech-companies/index.html
Major Indian tech shares took a nosedive on Tuesday on reports that Trump is planning to make changes to the H-1B visa program that allows skilled foreigners to work in the U.S.
Funny how the globalists say the global economy is independent of the USA, then they freak out over news like this.
Is the Indian economy really that dependent on exporting 100K people to the USA every year?
I wonder if it’s less their domestic economy and more psychological? From what I see in San Jose lots and lots of upper class Indians enjoy having a member of the family in school or working in the USA.
What I think is interesting is that when someone in the US laments the loss of good paying jobs and says something needs to be done and that we should put Americans first, he’s tarred and feathered, called a populist, a protectionist and when that fails, he’ll be called Hitler.
Wouldn’t those upper middle class Indians prefer to have that family member nearby at home? Or maybe the objective is an eventual Green Card for Junior, followed by chain migration from home?
I seem to recall all these news stories some years ago, about how all the H1-B’s were gonna go home, start companies in India and show Silicon Valley how it’s done. Funny how that didn’t happen.
Those H1-B’s got used to living off the fat of US. Instead of going home, they brought their family over to sponge up even more fat.
The worst part is that those Silly Valley companies are actually starting to be right, that there aren’t enough Americans with the training. Back in the late 90s kids were fighting each other tooth and nail to get the proper training in college; I witnessed it. But now, why should American kids bother to major in IT? They’ll just get ousted by an H1-B anyway. Or the jobs will be shipped over the internet. Or at best, they’ll finally get a job and be shoved out when they’re age 40.
The only way is to stop the H1-Bs, and then stand firm as those companies WHINE and SQUIRM that they can’t “innovate.” May I suggest that that such companies starting hiring entry level and do on the job training. Sponsor co-ops and internships. And go hire all those displaced 50-somethings.
Next time (and there will be one) Gates and other morons are in congress begging for more h1b’s, I would like a senator or conman to ask a simple question to list them the things that these companies have done to encourage native born Americans to study IT/science, et all.
I bet they can’t name $hit. No, donating some free ipads or offering a scholarship or 2 doesn’t count. Something real, something substantial…..they have done NONE.
And go hire all those displaced 50-somethings.
Haha. Now that they’ve gotten used to the speed of development with 99th percentile indentured servants it’s hard to go back to 90th percentile folks with attitude.
Or maybe the objective is an eventual Green Card for Junior, followed by chain migration from home?
There’s some of that. Plus people with money from places where the weather sucks and/or there are lot of poor people just enjoy living it up in the bay area while taking care of the new grandkid.
If the sons/daughters are footing the bill, what’s the problem, no?
Another thing US could do is require bond with each visa issuance. Wanna go visit your son/daughter? Fine, we need $50,000 bond to make sure that you are following the laws and coming/going as per the laws. Also no overstay or working illegally, etc.
If I read this correctly, the Indian companies that are freaking out are those who provide outsourcing services to US companies.
Is it possible (likely?) that some of the H1-B Visas are going to people who work in the US for companies like Wipro help facilitate outsourcing to India? Anyone have any insight on this?
Yes, yes and yes.
It will hurt the likes of Goog, APPL, MSFT etc, too. They also rely on H1B not only for the top top talent, but also to drive down the wages.
Won’t happen. How could he after saying “I love the Hindus!”
Marin County, CA Rental Rates Crater 8% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/marin-county-ca/home-values/
Ha! Stephen King twitted:
“Imagine a hooligan pouring sugar into the gas tank of an expensive and well-maintained car. Trump is that hooligan. America is that car.”
To take it one step further, what happens to an expensive and well-maintained car if it’s treated so? Its value plummets!
America’s brand is being damaged, America’s inner democratic workings are being damaged. Like that expensive car, it be worth much less after the hooligans are done with it.
Therefore, RE and stock market will go down.
Well maintained car? It might look that way from the Ivory Towers on Manhattan Island or in DC. From everywhere else, the car is a 20 year old beater and it’s been that way for decades.
I have to say one thing, the globalists are in a full blown panic if they’re recruiting purveyors of fiction to peddle their narrative.
I thought that Stephen King lived in Maine.
Then he has no excuse for thinking that the status quo was working.
It’s our common reality, though. You are sitting in the same car I am.
You’ll start panicking too, once the engine sputters and dies.
Sweetheart, it’s been sputtering and dying for decades.
And no, it’s not our common reality, not by a long shot. That fact that you think things have been hunky dory in flyover and can’t grasp why they refused to vote for the official candidate is proof of that.
You live in a bubble and you just. don’t. get. it.
Or maybe you’re a paid troll.
@ in Colorado - “you think things have been hunky dory in flyover and can’t grasp why they refused to vote for the official candidate is proof of that.”
But I don’t think that.
I know things were tough, not hunky-dory, and by the way, not only in “flyover” and not only for “blue-collar”.
I am not even blaming people for voting for Trump. I get it. Truly. I understand.
I was ready to vote for anyone against Hillary… anyone at all. But then Trump happened, and just I couldn’t vote for him. Because I knew his type of populist-slash-fascist-slash-demagogue-slash-stinking-lying-oligarch too well, and also I knew how dangerous he could be.
What you don’t seem to understand is that those of us who are alarmed have every reason to be alarmed. Not because we’re “globalists” (I’m not for open borders), but because we see where this road leads, and so far it’s not prosperity and liberty, but ruin, destruction and curtailment of democracy.
This is not about “Left”, “globalists”, “liberals” vs “Right”, “protectionists”, “conservatives”. This is about freedom and democracy vs. authoritarianism and fascism.
And the worst thing, it’s not even a wholesome home-grown fascism we’re facing, it’s a foreign-hostile-power-sponsored coup-d’etat. We could outgrow the home-grown extremes, and find a proper balance. But we might not have time to survive a coup-d’etat. JMHO
So, you would have voted for a warmongering, neocon, globalist stooge like Jeb or Rubio. Got it.
I was ready to vote for anyone against Hillary… anyone at all. But then Trump happened, and just I couldn’t vote for him.
I’m sorry, I hear this tripe all the time, but when the chips fall, I find folks with your left-leaning views rarely vote against the party. I don’t mean to be making blanket statements, but I find that my left-leaning friends always find some MSM talking point that they hand their hat on. For Romney it was the 47% comment (completely ignoring his ability to work across the aisle in MA), for McCain, it was Palin being a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Simple question, when was the last time you voted for a Republican for President? I’ll be glad to be proven wrong, but I’m guessing you voted for HRC, Obama x2, Kerry, and Gore. Did I get that about right?
I’m sorry, I hear this tripe all the time, but when the chips fall, I find folks with your left-leaning views rarely vote against the party.
That’s the sensible position. To ignore the actual issues and cast a vote against Hillary because she’s been a public figure for a quarter century doesn’t make sense.
MightyMike
Walk the walk
Liquidate and pay your reparations.
“White people, give your fuc#ing money, your fuc#ing house, your fuc#ing property, we need it fuc#ing all,” as another protester responds “reparations!”
I’m sorry, I hear this tripe all the time, but when the chips fall, I find folks with your left-leaning views rarely vote against the party. I don’t mean to be making blanket statements, but I find that my left-leaning friends always find some MSM talking point that they hand their hat on. For Romney it was the 47% comment (completely ignoring his ability to work across the aisle in MA), for McCain, it was Palin being a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Simple question, when was the last time you voted for a Republican for President? I’ll be glad to be proven wrong, but I’m guessing you voted for HRC, Obama x2, Kerry, and Gore. Did I get that about right?
I believe her…I’m the mirror image. Usually vote R. No way I was voting for Hillary but didn’t vote Trump either. Just hoping for the best at this point but no regrets about my vote.
Usually vote R. No way I was voting for Hillary but didn’t vote Trump either. Just hoping for the best at this point but no regrets about my vote.
Same here, but that’s not to say I’ve never voted D. I’m just curious if she’s ever voted “R”.
@ Rental Watch - Simple question, when was the last time you voted for a Republican for President?
The last time I voted for a Republican was for McCain. I was quite vocal against Obama, actually.
But I voted for Obama the second go, because I thought he was doing a decent enough job getting us through the economic crisis, and also I didn’t like Romney’s foreign policy. I thought Romney was underestimating the Chinese threat, and overestimating the Russian threat. It’s not that I didn’t consider Russia a geopolitical threat, but I thought it was miniscule, compared to China. I was wrong.
The last time I voted for a Republican was for McCain.
Wow wow wow
Stop the presses. Lets take a moment of silence to reflect on what she just said. You knocked me with that revelation. Never ever would have guessed that.
BTW, what do you think of Lindsey or Rubio?
I thought Romney was underestimating the Chinese threat, and overestimating the Russian threat. It’s not that I didn’t consider Russia a geopolitical threat, but I thought it was miniscule, compared to China. I was wrong.
Seems Romney was correct on a number of things (overregulation of banks favoring the large banks, Obamacare on a bad path, Russia as a geopolitical foe).
The people who have been keeping it running for this long and know how to fix that problem too are probably less likely to panic than those who have no idea how it works but think they are too important to help with the loser tasks.
You are sitting in the same car I am.
We are not sitting with the same car as you. My car is not going to bomb russia.
My car is not going to bomb Russia either.
Containment. Non-engagement. Isolation. Not feeding the beast (criminal regime).
The funny thing is that if the missiles were to start flying, it would be places like DC and NY that would get nuked first. Of course the neocons believe that we would wipe the floor with Russia and that they would meekly surrender without a nuclear exchange.
“Not feeding the beast (criminal regime).”
You mean DC?
Containment. Non-engagement. Isolation.
You mean like how we helped overthrow a democratically elected Ukrainian government and replaced it with a puppet?
That sure doesn’t seem like non-engagement to me.
Remember how we lost our minds when the Soviets installed a puppet in Cuba?
The funny thing is that if the missiles were to start flying, it would be places like DC and NY that would get nuked first.
You’ve got NORAD there in Colorado Springs. Putin would be sure to go for that early on.
“You mean like how we helped overthrow a democratically elected Ukrainian government and replaced it with a puppet?”
You shouldn’t believe the Kremlin’s talking points.
It’s Russia that installed its puppet Yanukovich. When Ukrainians had enough and overthrew him, it’s Russia that panicked, because Putin could not afford for Russians to see a successful example of a brother nation overthrowing its kleptocratic mafia rulers and setting course for the West.
If Ukrainians could successfully send their corrupt government packing, and then become “like Europe”, then so could Russians, and that was something Putin could not risk. He had to both punish Ukraine for its insolence, and prevent it from becoming “more European”, so as not to set a “bad” example for Russians. Hence the war.
That’s an interesting theory. That’s one explanation for the half century of sanctions that America has imposed on Cuba. We had to show the rest of Latin America that their role was to provide us with cheap labor and raw materials and that they shouldn’t get any funny ideas about organizing their economies for the benefit of their own populations. It’s similar to the Mafia extorting protection money from the shopkeepers on a particular street. In one guy steps out of line, his legs are broken as a message to the others.
“if the missiles were to start flying”
When are the missiles more likely to start flying - when you starve the beast of its resources and don’t let it amass too much power, or when you help him to become rich(er) and more influential?
Think back to the decade prior to WWII. How did appeasement of Hitler’s Germany work out for Western democracies? Cooperation and appeasement didn’t stop aggression. It just made the beast richer, stronger, bolder, and more aggressive.
Becoming friends with crazy gangsters, and helping them amass untold riches, is not a good idea. Starve the beast, instead.
You are sitting in the same car I am.
We are not sitting in the same car as you. My car is not going to bomb russia.
The Globalist car has been shunted off to a siding. The screaming will die down eventually.
“The screaming will die down eventually.”
What about the rending of garments, the gnashing of teeth? That, too?
Eventually your feet get sore from all that stomping, and you sit down.
King is awesome, a true, rags to riches story. He never gave up.
We had a great 6 yr recovery, now we crash.
Invest accordingly.
An airliner fitting our new President.
http://picpaste.com/pics/490fc41827b35f65c62bb82cf460a6d4.1485895935.jpg
The color of the uh, balls, is a tad unfortunate.
Look like balloons not ball$ of steel.
It’s whats left of Obummers lightweight nuggets.
Blue balls already after only a week in office?
Balls….. something the American people have been asking from Washington for a very very long time. Mr. President Trump is delivering on his promise.
Just before I left the utopian paradise called Chicago - this same developer was building a similar structure at Huron at Sedgwick on the northwest corner of that intersection. Aware of it cause I worked across the street from it. Same deal - sign up at the East Bank Club - offerings starting at 1.2 mil and a redo of the old Lettuce Entertain You restaurant into a development sales office. All very high end - all very urban contemporary. Took all of 9 months to sell the place out - this was just at 18 mos. ago. Building is mostly likely finished by now - I guessed it at 50% complete in Aug when I moved.
Very telling given Ben’s post below from 5 days ago at 808 Wells. The same method different result.
If I am not mistaken this developer is also involved in a project that was seized by the government down in the Turks and Caicos. Not sure but I recall their involvement.
Ben’s post of 1.25.17:
“A report from Curbed Chicago in Illinois. “While Chicago’s new condo market continues its slow thaw out of the deep freeze of the Great Recession, an ambitious project planned for the northwest corner of Chicago and Wells appears to have hit serious trouble. Known by its address of 808 Wells, the luxury development from Smithfield Properties and Berkelhamer Architects was set to rise 24 stories and contain just 45 well-appointed residences priced from just under $1 million up to $4.5 million. Units in the building first hit the MLS last summer as a one-story temporary sales center was erected at the site of the future residential high-rise.”
“In the months since sales reportedly began, all online listings have disappeared. The brick-and-mortar sales center has not been open during the indicated hours and a large billboard advertising 808 outside Chicago’s East Bank Club has been removed. Perhaps most indicative of trouble is a notification of an expired domain when trying to reach the project’s once functional website at 808wells.com. A call to the number listed on the sales center window was not immediately returned.”
Olympian gold medalist Mo Farah (born in Somalia, raised in Great Britain, lives in the U.S. with his family, was on a training trip overseas when the ban was announced):
“On 1st January this year, Her Majesty The Queen made me a Knight of the Realm. On 27th January, President Donald Trump seems to have made me an alien.
“I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six years — working hard, contributing to society, paying my taxes and bringing up our four children in the place they now call home. Now, me and many others like me are being told that we may not be welcome. It’s deeply troubling that I will have to tell my children that Daddy might not be able to come home — to explain why the President has introduced a policy that comes from a place of ignorance and prejudice.”
“I was welcomed into Britain from Somalia at eight years old and given the chance to succeed and realise my dreams. I have been proud to represent my country, win medals for the British people and receive the greatest honour of a knighthood. My story is an example of what can happen when you follow policies of compassion and understanding, not hate and isolation.”
You are so full of crap it is incredible. He can enter on his British passport. Where he was born makes no difference at all.
He may have made that statement before the White House made an exemption for Brits with dual citizenship.
He may have made that statement before the White House made an exemption for Brits with dual citizenship.
Exactly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/01/29/donald-trump-seems-to-have-made-me-an-alien-runner-mo-farah-is-banned/?utm_term=.d6295b0d890c
“Mo is relieved that he will be able to return to his family once his current training camp concludes. However, as he said in his earlier statement, he still fundamentally disagrees with this incredibly divisive and discriminatory policy.”
“Exactly.”
So you knew and posted the excerpt out of context anyway. Just an energetic $it disturber, a lion and nothing more. Zero credibility.
Ironically, the poor, poor alien guy wasn’t even traveling this past weekend. Planning on returning in March.
Excuse me? Here’s the timeline:
1) The guy first posted when the ban went into effect. He would have been affected and unable to return home.
2) The administration meanwhile confirmed that yes, even people with green cards will be affected. (Green card always trumps a work visa, if you didn’t know).
3) Meanwhile, there were multiple reports of people from Canada, the holders of both a Canadian and a “banned country” passports, who were denied entry and unable to board flights from Canada to the U.S. (I.e., people in the same situation as his were denied entry.)
4) Then the next day, the administration backtracked and announced, that the green card holders and people with British or Canadian passports will NOT be affected, after all.
5) So then, the guy posted his relief at learning that he will be
able to return home.
Which part of this was “taken out of context”, munchkin?
Woman…… go do some pro bono work and make it your problem.
Good news! California is going to be a sanctuary STATE, this is awesome! I’ll get the word out around here so they know to get there NOW!
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/01/30/calif-to-consider-enacting-statewide-sanctuary/
It’s good news only if you want to see the country collapse.
This country is already collapsed. You must be blind.
You must be trolling.
Organizing “collapse” is a purely Putin/Bannon’s agenda.
“This country is already collapsed. You must be blind.”
Looks like they’re going the Western European route.
Hey Ben, I think your blog finally got on some political organization’s “list”. Clearly, the comment section is under attack.
Remember one of the main goals of the trolls is to ruin a site, to drive off the regulars, etc.
Jeebus, I’m tellin’ ya.
It does seem that way. Other sites as well that I frequent have similar things happening. And oh boy do they get all riled up when you ask them when they get their check from a Soros-funded organization.
Duped by Kremlin bots. How sad.
Duped? How so.
What day of the month do you get your check from moveon dot org?
Has this blog been subjected to a coordinated troll attack before? I don’t have that much history here. I did read the main blog updates every so often during the last housing bubble, but I never read much of the comment section until more recently.
Install the JoshuaTree Extension and set up your ignore list. Boom, problem solved.
Awesome. Just what I was looking for.
Ashland, OR Housing Prices Crater 10% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/ashland-or/home-values/
Trump trip canceled; Harley-Davidson wasn’t comfortable with likely protests
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump will not head to Milwaukee for a previously scheduled visit of a Harley-Davidson factory after the company decided it wasn’t comfortable hosting him amid planned protests, an administration official said Tuesday.
Trump had been scheduled to tour the factory Thursday where he also planned to sign executive orders related to American manufacturing.
White House spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham confirmed Trump is not expected to go to Milwaukee on Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/politics/donald-trump-milwaukee-harley-davidson/index.html?Sr=twtsr0131harleydavidson
Loretta Lynch praises Sally Yates’ ‘unshakeable integrity’
Michael Walsh
Yahoo News
January 31, 2017
Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch praised her interim successor Sally Yates’ decision to openly question the legality of President Trump’s refugee and immigration ban and refusal to defend it in court.
On Monday night, Trump fired Yates, a holdover from the Obama administration, from her post as acting U.S. attorney general mere hours after she publicly denounced his executive order barring people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States for at least 90 days.
ABC News was among the first outlets to obtain a copy of Lynch’s statement.
“With her decision not to defend the executive order regarding immigration, Sally Yates displayed the fierce intellect, unshakeable integrity and deep commitment to the rule of law that have characterized her 27 years of distinguished service to the Department of Justice under both Democratic and Republican administrations,” Lynch said.
“Her courageous leadership embodies the highest traditions of the Department of Justice, whose first duty is always to the American people, and to the Constitution that protects our rights and safeguards our liberties.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/loretta-lynch-praises-sally-yates-unshakeable-integrity-195638921.html
Uh oh….. I just saw the BanVan wheeling through town at a very high rate of speed.
Trump’s Falsehoods Make Foreign Leaders Ask: Can We Trust Him?
By MARK LANDLERJAN. 31, 2017
WASHINGTON — President Trump’s litany of false statements and spurious claims has opened a national debate on the fragility of a fact-based society. But overseas, where America’s allies and enemies parse a president’s every word for signs of threat or reassurance, Mr. Trump’s falsehoods have prompted a different kind of alarm.
From defense treaties to trade pacts, foreign leaders are struggling to gauge whether they can depend on the United States to honor its commitments. They are sizing up a fickle president whose erroneous remarks on small issues cast doubt on what he might say on the big ones — the future of NATO, say, or the Iran nuclear deal — that involve war and peace.
On Tuesday, the president of the European Council went so far as to warn that Mr. Trump was a potential threat to the European Union, including him along with major geopolitical challenges like Russian aggression, China’s assertiveness and terrorism. Donald Tusk, the council president, said in a letter to European leaders that Mr. Trump’s “worrying declarations” made Europe’s future “highly unpredictable.”
The Trump administration, he wrote, had “put into question the last 70 years of American foreign policy.”
Mr. Trump spent last weekend in a round-robin series of phone calls with foreign leaders, clearly aimed at settling nerves. But from Tokyo and Beijing to London and Berlin, foreign officials are watching the president’s false assertions with alarm, unsure of whether they can trust him and wondering whether that will undermine their dealings with Washington.
“If he’s telling lies on relatively unimportant things, like the size of the crowd at his inauguration or whether or not it rained on his parade, that’s not of great importance in the overall scheme of things,” said Peter Westmacott, a former British ambassador to the United States.
“But as I used to say to my staff,” he added, “if I can’t rely on you to get the small things right, how can I count on you to do so on things that really matter?”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/us/politics/trump-falsehoods-foreign-leaders-diplomacy.html?_r=0
So, the world is doomed?
“So, the world is doomed?”
https://www.nyslimes.com/2017/01/31/us/politics/trump-falsehoods-foreign-leaders-diplomacy.html?_r=0
Coast-to-coast protest wave challenges Donald Trump — and Democrats
For the first time since the Vietnam era, it appears that spontaneous public protest may become a regular feature of American life.
WASHINGTON—Mary Beth Jobe, a 52-year-old homemaker in Idaho, expected to have a quiet Sunday hanging out with her three chickens, two dogs, cat and parrot.
But then she checked the Facebook page for her Boise neighbourhood and someone had posted about a protest at the airport. Eight days after the first demonstration of her life, she drove out to the second.
“This is dire,” she said Monday. “I’ve never been this freaked out, ever. I’m freaked out, and I’ll do whatever I need to do.”
Erik Johnson, a 24-year-old biochemistry student in Nebraska, planned to be studying on Sunday night. But his girlfriend told him there was a protest at the state capitol in Lincoln. He had never demonstrated before, but this was a matter of “American values.” Off he went.
“As of right now,” he said Monday, “I would say I’m ready to make my voice heard.”
Jobe and Johnson are part of an America-wide wave of organic street activism that has spread far beyond the usual places and the usual suspects. For the first time since the Vietnam era, it appears that spontaneous public protest may become a regular feature of American life.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/01/31/coast-to-coast-protest-wave-challenges-donald-trump-and-democrats.html
The freak appears to be going on in Europe as well.
During Nam, we protested deaths, not aliens having their travel plans delayed.
Omaba dropped 26000 bombs last year….it didn’t kill single one person. That’s why the left didn’t protest at all.
The right didn’t protest because it suddenly discovered its love for Obama last year after Trump announced that he was born in Hawaii, not Kenya.
During Nam, we protested deaths, not aliens having their travel plans delayed.
Though the reactions of the defenders of the administrations are the same - hippies with weird clothes or hair, unattractive women, Hollywood celebrities, why aren’t they at work
Coast-to-coast protest wave challenges Donald Trump… For the first time since the Vietnam era, it appears that spontaneous public protest may become a regular feature of American life.
It’s horrible. It’s not that people should not protest. They should all protest, if we are to have any hope of stopping this infringement on our democracy.
What’s horrible is that this madman divides the country, trashes our institutions, and sows chaos.
This is the self-destruction of America that Bannon and Putin hoped for.
Woman…… President Trump is going to give you nervous breakdown.
Too late for that.
Trump and Putin double dose of ……
If I were in her mental state I’d be up to 4 packs a day.
What’s horrible is that this madman divides the country, trashes our institutions, and sows chaos.
The country was already divided. The right just displays it differently when they are out of power.
You see some of the right wingers going on about Hillary and Obama. So they’re going on as if the Socialists were still in power.
Old habits die hard…but I do expect civilian ammunition purchases by the pallet to die down fairly quickly unless the protests continue to ramp up.
https://memegenerator.net/instance/75120756
infringement on our democracy.
Hyperbole much?
Are you referring Trump’s travel restrictions for non-citizens?
Because he said he would do precisely such a thing, and he still won the election.
A close friend is a naturalized US Citizen from Africa. She traveled to DC for Obama’s first inauguration, worked for HRCs campaign, and still loved Trump’s inauguration speech.
She sees what is happening as a sign of the strength of the US democracy. In Africa, there would be no judicial “check” of a leader’s actions. Protests would be met with violence, etc.
Stomp your feet, chant, and hold up signs if that’s what you want to do. It’s America, it’s your right. But you should also be ready for some backlash from less offended citizens if your actions start to negatively impact their rights, freedoms, and lives.
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/ESPN-s-Sage-Steele-criticizes-protesters-for-10894052.php
“Are you referring Trump’s travel restrictions for non-citizens?”
I’m referring to his ruling by executive order; while attacking the First Amendment and Free Press; while also cutting out the intelligence and military form National Security Council and undermining them in every which way possible; and also elevating his strategist to an unheard of role of power and prominence; and in addition promoting nepotism and conflicts of interests; while refusing to divest, refusing to release his taxes; and on top of it all, already filing early with FEC for his run for 2020, which basically means that he can start receiving legal bribes into pro-Trump super-PACs, while simultaneously gagging the anti-Trump non-profits.
He’s here to stay. Not for 8 years, forever. Unless he’s stopped, soon.
Seriously, the Congress needs to get off their collective asses and start doing its job!
Separation of powers, limiting the overreach of the executive branch, did they just forget their responsibility? They need to start stopping Trump’s overreach, before he does too much damage.
You’re fracking hilarious, NYC . . .
People on the left freaked out about Obama potentially pulling the same stunt, declaring a national emergency and making himself the permanent ruler.
Didn’t happen then, and won’t happen with Trump either. Get real.
Except Obama never did what Trump already did.
Obama did not keep his own private security force instead of using the Secret Service, Obama did not file early his reelection campaign to legalize bribes and gag the opposition, Obama did not undermine National Security Council, Obama did not stuff the White House with his family, Obama did not have a business empire in 144 countries that he refused to divest from, etc., etc.
As for Obama’s plans to declare national emergency, I’ve read about those plans in Russian newspapers way before you Trumpkins got a wind of those scary plans here.
“Brutal Murder of 2 Women Leads to Arrest of Huntington Beach Real Estate Agent”
http://patch.com/california/losalamitos/brutal-murder-two-women-leads-arrest-huntington-beach-real-estate-agent
with central planning you are assured rising stock and home prices!
Ray Dalio Sours on Trump After Immigrant Ban, Joining Soros
by Saijel Kishan and Sabrina Willmer
Billionaire Ray Dalio’s honeymoon with President Donald Trump is looking to be short lived.
Dalio, who in November was bullish on the incoming president’s ability to stimulate the economy, is now saying he’s more concerned that the damaging effects of Trump’s populist policies may overwhelm the benefits of his pro-business agenda.
“We are now in a period of time when how this balance tilts will be more important to the economy, markets, and our well-beings than normally dominant drivers such as central bank policies,” Dalio and co-Chief Investment Officer Bob Prince said in Bridgewater Associates’ “Daily Observations” note to clients on Tuesday.
Dalio, who runs the world’s largest hedge fund, is souring on the new president after he banned visitors from seven mostly Muslim countries, igniting protests nationwide, and proposed a border tax on Mexican goods. Earlier this month, Dalio said it remained to be seen whether Trump is aggressive and thoughtful, or aggressive and reckless. Dalio and Prince said so far they haven’t seen much thoughtfulness in Trump’s policy moves.
Money managers at hedge fund Carlson Capital take an even more negative view of Trump’s nationalist agenda. His policies may have dire consequences for the U.S. and global economy and his attempts to tax imports and subsidize exports could touch off a depression, according to their quarterly letter to clients.
“If the border adjustment mechanism is implemented as proposed we think it will cause a global depression and a major equity market decline,” Richard Maraviglia and Matt Barkoff said in the letter. “It is still unclear whether it will happen but at the very least we expect that U.S. trade policy will put downward pressure on global growth.”
Billionaire George Soros, who had backed Democrat Hillary Clinton in last year’s election, said in January that the stock market rally since Trump’s win, spurred by his promises to slash regulations and boost spending, will come to a halt. He called Trump a “con man” and a would-be dictator.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-31/dalio-says-trump-s-populism-may-overpower-pro-business-policies
Lying Ted, Crooked Hillary, Little Marco and Crazy Barney.
How did these flunkies every come close to the presidency?
My humble opinion is that it reflects the creeping moral bankruptcy of the crowd. Correlates very well with the progressive enrollment in the debt donkey army. Reality has not been repealed though, merely ignored and postponed.
That’s an interesting statement - a large number of Americans are morally bankrupt. That’s quite similar to stating that half of Trump voters were deplorable.
Mighty
I think this was your best foot stamping day yet.
Now
Walk the walk
Liquidate and pay your reparations.
while everyone is on immigration here are 50 infrastructure projects on trumps list…. who hoo the 2nd ave subway…..Maybe NYchk will see it finished in her lifetime….
Trump $137.5B infrastructure projects list includes bridges, rail, dams
http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2017/01/25/trump-137-5b-infrastructure-projects-list-includes.html
The best opportunity ever, to skim off the top.
NPR did a show on the $2.1 billion that went to the VA in 2014 to hire people to get caught up. They hired 3000. What a sham. Should have hired 12k.
Here’s a quiz for our fellow posters who are outraged at the recent travel restrictions.
Which of the countries on the restricted list did the previous White House bomb the crap out of to keep America safe? It’s OK to tell it, cause murder is nothing compared to postponing a visit.