February 5, 2017

There’s Going To Be Some Carnage Up There

A report from Better Dwelling on Canada. “Global real estate markets are breaking a sweat, and Vancouver should be no exception. Those same foreign buyers that sent property values soaring around the world are now a little short on foreign currency. New regulations now prohibit the exchange of yuan for real estate, making it tricky to get currency into foreign markets. Without that sweet yuan converted, Chinese buyers won’t be able to continue driving prices, and could have trouble paying for existing property. Some quick back of the napkin math explains how Vancouver real estate is in for a ride. Foreign buyers provide a 30% downpayment, which at the average would leave CA$708,000 (US$542,757) on a mortgage. At 4% with a 30 year amortization, you’re looking at CA$3,369/month (US$2,582) before taxes, maintenance, and insurance. That’s CA$40,428/year (US$30,975), also known in China as 13,000 yuan too many to not be reported by your financial institution.”

“So unless someone is working on an Uber for money laundering, Vancouver’s going to see a fire sale. Still skeptical this will impact Vancouver real estate? There’s currently 1,777 listings in the Greater Vancouver Region for sale. January saw 179 price reductions, roughly 1 in 10 in properties. Although I’m sure somewhere a Realtor is saying it’s a Chinese New Year sale.”

From Bloomberg. “This time last year, Vancouver was one of world’s hottest housing markets as buyers turned up throughout the winter for bidding wars and sales reached an all-time high. Today, the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver reported transactions in Metro Vancouver plunged 40 percent in January over a year earlier as both buyers and sellers hover on the sidelines. That’s the seventh straight month of declines, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The ratio of sales to listings — used by the industry as a harbinger of prices — is also at a two-year low, according to the board.”

The Globe and Mail. “The Vancouver region’s real estate market could be headed for its first year of price declines since 2012 as home sales extend their slide. Amid falling home sales, prices are sagging. The benchmark price for various housing types slipped last month to $896,000, down 3.7 per cent since July, but still up 15.6 per cent from January, 2016. The benchmark price is an industry representation of a typical property.”

“Since last July, the benchmark price for detached houses sold in Greater Vancouver has dropped 6.6 per cent to $1.47-million. Fewer luxury mansions are selling, dragging down average prices. The average price for detached properties sold in the region tumbled to $1.5-million last month, a 17.8-per-cent decrease from the record high of $1.83-million in January, 2016. In Surrey, which is part of the Fraser Valley board’s territory, the price for detached homes sold averaged $958,539 last month, down 5.7 per cent compared with December.”

From CTV News Calgary. “The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation says the price of homes in Calgary is balancing out and isn’t as artificially inflated as they were in years past. CMHC is concerned, however, about the vacancy rate in the rental market, specifically in larger apartment buildings. In a new report, it says that overbuilding in Calgary has led to a glut in apartments sitting empty. Officials say that most of the vacancies are in large developments that were constructed in the last boom.”

“‘A couple of years ago, inventories of apartments were quite low and the economy was doing quite well and we had quite strong demand for housing but when the price declined, it was a pretty quick shift in economic activity and some of these projects are fairly large and as they kept going they couldn’t really stop right away,’ said Richard Cho, a CMHC market analyst.”

The Chronicle Herald. “Office towers rising out of the ground could soon become a rare sight in Halifax’s central business district as vacancy rates soar and rents sag, says a manager with the real estate consulting firm of Turner Drake & Partners. ‘It’s unlikely we will see a lot of large office projects come on-stream in Halifax in the next few years,’ said Alexandra Baird Allen, Turner Drake’s manager of economic intelligence, in an interview. ‘We could be (looking at decades) without any office construction.’”

“She compared the recent boom in office construction and likely future slowdown to another boom and bust. ‘After the financial crash of the 1980s, that’s what we saw,’ she said.”

“Things aren’t looking too great for buildings offering top-quality space in the downtown core either. Turner Drake reports a staggering vacancy rate of 27.6 per cent in premium, Class A office buildings. With this overcapacity in the office market and downward pressure on lease rates, Baird Allen predicts much of the low-end space will simply disappear. ‘The Class C space will fall off the bottom . . . A lot of it has been repurposed into apartments and condos,’ she said.”

The Waterloo Region Record. “A new report says too many student apartment buildings are sprouting near Waterloo’s two university campuses. The oversupply of student beds, currently estimated at more than 5,000, is expected to increase while the universities struggle to maintain enrolment. This imbalance will likely have consequences, says the report from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.”

“Landlords may have to resort to incentives to rent older buildings. Other units could be taken off the market as students choose new buildings with more amenities that are closer to campuses. This could reduce the number of basement apartments, small apartment buildings, houses or rental condominiums. ‘There’s going to be some carnage up there. It amazes us how some of these things are getting financed or built,’ said developer Craig Beattie, whose firm, Perimeter Development, has stayed out of the student housing market.”

“Beattie worries about small investors who may not make the money they expect after buying a condominium to rent to students. The report from the federal agency compares supply and demand for student housing in six Ontario cities. It focuses on Waterloo where 30,000 students need off-campus housing. It found that between 2010 and 2015, enrollment surged by 3,200 students at Wilfrid Laurier University and the University of Waterloo. Student housing surged by 8,500 beds over this same period, with a further 3,200 beds recently completed or under construction.”

“‘In Waterloo, supply has already exceeded demand,’ the report states. The imbalance could worsen as the university-age population declines until 2022, a demographic trend that’s putting pressure on enrolment. There’s an upside for students: more choice as landlords compete. ‘We understand that our students have more choice in where they live than any other city or town,’ said Glen Weppler, UW’s director of housing.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-05 18:46:53

‘Beattie worries about small investors who may not make the money they expect after buying a condominium to rent to students’

People make bad financial decisions all the time Craig. It’s part of life to enjoy the humorous aspect. Speaking of that, is that grilled crow I smell wafting in from New Mexico?

‘Scores of Chinese billionaires and CEOs have disappeared in ‘state-sanctioned abductions’’

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-05 18:49:23

Oh dear…

‘Property rules hit offshore bonds’

‘Onshore note issues decline 94 percent in January year-on-year on speculation’

‘Steps to cool China’s property market are stoking speculation the good times are about to end for developers’ bonds offshore.’

‘The hangover would be big. Yield-starved fund managers around the world have piled into the $65 billion market for dollar-denominated notes sold by Chinese builders. Yield premiums for lower-rated US-currency securities from China, the majority of which are from real estate borrowers, dropped to the lowest level since 2007 this month, according to a Bank of America Merrill Lynch index. That leaves plenty of scope for pain among the holders of those bonds and the developers who need to raise financing.’

“We are not optimistic about prices and sales in the property market,” said Xu Cheng, who will be fund manager for Franklin Templeton Sealand Fund Management Co’s new overseas bond fund, which finished raising money on Jan 19. The Shanghai-based joint venture of the San Mateo, California-based group oversees 20.1 billion yuan ($2.9 billion) of assets. “We estimate there will be a correction in Chinese developers’ dollar bonds. The near-record low yield premium isn’t big enough to cover credit risks.”

‘Regulators concerned about a bubble have succeeded in taking some of the froth out of housing prices. China Bond Rating Co Ltd estimated property sales volume may suffer a “substantial decline” this year as local governments step up buying restrictions and down-payment requirements. A government report showed home prices fell in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen in December and increased in the fewest Chinese cities since January 2015.’

Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-06 08:18:20

You have to wonder why the Chinese would do a dollar bond offshore if they are strictly “owing it to themselves”.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 08:50:49

External debt 8% of GDP compared to about 98 or 99% for the U.S. I never said they strictly owed it to themselves. Please do not put words into my mouth.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-06 09:31:19

“External debt 8% of GDP”

I think you’re mixing Robins and Bluejays. The 8% is official Government Debt as reported by their Ministry of Truth and Transparency, right?

The bonds we’re talking about are from private builders, right?

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 10:12:14

From Wikipedia:

External debt (or foreign debt) is the total debt a country owes to foreign creditors, complemented by internal debt owed to domestic lenders. The debtors can be the government, corporations or citizens of that country. The debt includes money owed to private commercial banks, other governments, or international financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank. Note that the use of gross liability figures greatly distorts the ratio for countries which contain major money centers such as the United Kingdom due to London’s role as a financial capital. Contrast with net international investment position.

 
 
 
 
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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 04:55:39

Overall Chinese stocks were up about a half a percent today.

 
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Comment by In Colorado
2017-02-06 12:35:36

It could still be wrong.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 13:36:04

True but signs like this point to its accuracy. Ironically, local brands are increasingly dominating the market:

http://www.autotribute.com/45984/china-is-now-cadillacs-largest-market

 
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Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 07:51:17

Stocks don’t like it when tycoons go missing.

Market economy doesn’t like it when competition and rule of law are replaced with unbridled graft and cronyism.

Soon to come to a theater near you.

Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-06 08:21:13

You know more about the stock market than I do, but the impression I’ve got from reading here over the years is that the market only cares if the rivers of cheap dumb money will flow.

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Comment by @AltFacts
2017-02-06 08:43:25

Is it safe to assume that “heads we win, tails you’re screwed” investment banking is back?

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Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 09:51:31

It’s back? Newsflash: it never left.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-06 11:12:50

Market economy doesn’t like it when competition and rule of law are replaced with unbridled graft and cronyism.

Odd, I don’t recall you making that point during the past eight years when not a single banker went to prison despite committing massive, systemic financial fraud and insider trading.

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Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 11:37:17

Only because I haven’t been posting here for a long time.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 13:21:14

Nonsense.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2017-02-05 20:36:17

Those Chinese moguls disappear for a few months and then resurface. Have they been stripped of their wealth too? The articles don’t say.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-05 18:52:12

‘‘There’s going to be some carnage up there. It amazes us how some of these things are getting financed or built’

About six months ago I posted an article on Waterloo’s student housing. It was a long the lines of “boy this could get bad.” That’s what they are saying about US multifamily right now.

Comment by aqius
2017-02-06 09:08:59

“Landlords may have to resort to incentives to rent older buildings. Other units could be taken off the market as students choose new buildings with more amenities that are closer to campuses.”

Usually 2 types of student housing: one group wants to stay connected to the campus w/everything it has to offer & the other wants independence from stifling rules to cut loose.

Revenge of the Nerds vs. Animal House.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-05 18:53:47

When Toronto housing prices crater, we’ll know it’s game over.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-05/vancouver-home-sales-crash-40-toronto-home-prices-soar-22

Comment by 2banana
2017-02-05 19:34:48

Canada is a mess. Toronto is the last hold out in the vast housing bubble game in the Great White North.

It all going down. Way down.

The perfect storm is here.

Oil at $50 (and realistically could go to the mid $35s) down from $150.

Way over built. Everywhere.

Way too much leverage.

The loonie at record lows.

The banks already have a built in TARP.

Massive debt leverage (even more than America).

All that is needed is a nice stock market correction…

Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-05 20:17:47

It’s not just Toronto. House prices are massively inflated in rural Ontario.

 
Comment by rms
2017-02-05 21:33:45

“Way too much leverage.”

The MSM rarely discusses leverage. Real journalism.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-06 07:00:18

It would be bad form to offend your advertisers. Or deviate from The Narrative (”Everything is awesome!).

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Comment by Professor Bear
2017-02-06 03:49:25

“Oil at $50 (and realistically could go to the mid $35s) down from $150.”

Are you trying to lure Albuquerquedan into serving up twenty unanswered posts about how oil prices always go up?

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 05:00:31

I agree with the overall point and I would add that the collapse in agricultural prices is also a factor. As far as oil with demand increasing by 100,000 barrels per day per month highly unlikely we are heading back into the 30s. But it does not matter for Canada since oil sands only work when the price goes into the 70s. Of course existing operations continued due to sunk costs considerations but new projects will not be planned at prices in the 50s.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 07:59:32

Yet global demand continues to plunge.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2017-02-06 07:01:47

Still ignoring the glut after all this time?

THE FINANCIAL TIME
BP warns of price pressures from long-term oil glut
Market faces uncertain outlook as demand shifts from fossil fuels to cleaner energy
Overcast outlook for BP and oil groups
© Reuters
January 25, 2017
Andrew Ward, Energy Editor

The world is facing a long-term oil glut as producers scramble to exploit reserves before fossil fuel demand goes into decline, according to a BP assessment that suggests that oil companies should brace themselves for prolonged pressure from low prices.

The UK oil and gas group said there was twice as much technically recoverable oil available as the world is expected to need between now and 2050, making it likely that some oil reserves will never be extracted.

The surplus should spur increasing competition between companies and producer nations to ensure their assets were not left “stranded” as demand gradually shifts from oil to cleaner forms of energy.

Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 07:45:22

“producers scramble to exploit reserves before fossil fuel demand goes into decline”

Sad. If humanity survives (doubtful), there will be demand in the future for oil for its other uses, more technological than just burning it for energy.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 07:53:15

‘If humanity survives (doubtful)’

And you say rents can only go up?

 
Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 08:17:29

“And you say rents can only go up?”

:lol:

 
Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 08:56:18

And you say rents can only go up?

I’m saying people are greedy and shortsighted, they can be cheaply bought and easily misled. They can be inspired to rise up over their imperfect nature, but it’s even easier to appeal to their baser animal instincts.

Animals with modern technology is a recipe for disaster, just like a monkey with a hand grenade. Remove the thin veneer of civilization, and discover an animal within.

Imagine a modern world run by gangsters. Are gangsters very smart and productive? No, just ruthless, skillful at stealing and taking by force. Are they concerned with anyone’s survival but their own? Nope. Are they aggressive and willing to kill to preserve their power? You bet.

Give up the rule of law and reason, watch the world burn.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 09:07:39

Now that you’ve got that off your chest for the hundredth time, can you give it a rest?

 
Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 09:12:13

Jeebus, I’m tellin’ ya.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 09:36:46

Jeebus indeed. The first link in this post is about corruption and the housing bubble. I don’t think any blog on the planet has devoted as much time to money laundering as this one.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-02-06 09:40:09

Imagine a modern world run by gangsters.

I don’t have to imagine it. That has been the status quo in the country for decades.

 
Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 09:57:08

You ain’t seen nothing yet. :-)

 
Comment by butters
2017-02-06 16:55:55

You ain’t seen nothing yet.

Would that be any different?

 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 08:17:59

I may have underestimated how high oil prices need to go in Canada:

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Keystone-XL-Needs-Much-Higher-Oil-Prices-To-Be-Viable.html

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 08:27:18

“Art Berman”

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=Arthur+Berman&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Now you know why he says what he says and who employs him.

In the meantime, the global energy glut expands as demand continues to plummet.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 08:54:22

And BP “Beyond Petroleum” is always making global warming claims since it helps them getting away with being one of the worse operators on the planet. The Saudis cut production because they are running out of oil. Same reason they are selling a stake in their oil company. When people realize it, the mirage of a glut will be over.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2017-02-06 09:09:13

“…the mirage of a glut will be over.”

Click!

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 09:12:45

In the meantime, the global energy glut expands as demand continues to plummet.

Please back that up with any credible cite that says global demand for oil is falling. Such as EIA, IEA etc.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 09:22:07

This hardly supports that we are in a glut or demand is plummeting, growth of demand of 1.5 million barrels a day in 2016 and 1.3 million barrels in 2017.

http://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2017/january/omr-a-six-month-probation.html

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-06 09:39:21

The Saudis believe that we will stop using so much oil within the next few decades and in the meantime they are just a tad tight on cash, because they blew the windfall of the boom.

It’s a “Sears sells Craftsman Brand” kind of endgame in slow motion.

 
Comment by oxide
2017-02-06 09:44:15

Wait… a UK study says that there is more than twice enough oil than is needed up until 2050. Meanwhile, the Saudis cut production because they are running out of oil. So, I guess all this excess oil is somewhere other than Saudi Arabia. Where is it? Canadian oil sands? South China Sea?

A-Dan is right about the non-glut. IEA has a pretty nice chart showing that the last of the glut was swallowed a couple months ago. I guess those rented tankers are ridin’ a bit higher nowadays.

https://www.iea.org/oilmarketreport/omrpublic/currentreport/

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 09:56:33

Yes Oxide. and the Iranians have emptied out their tankers since the sanctions were lifted. Canadian oil sands are where they were thinking the production would come from but it will not at these prices.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 10:47:23

With a long way to fall.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 15:22:13

So much for the myth that California pays much more in taxes than it receives in federal services. I knew that was not possible with all the illegals it has:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-federal-government-money-20170205-story.html

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2017-02-05 19:24:00

I must say, it’s been rather pleasant around here the past couple of days. I am thoroughly enjoying it. Thank you, Ben!

As to Canada, Vancouver is crashing. Toronto is taking off as the money shifts.

Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 08:02:59

Denial leads to pain.

Deny the link between politics and economy, construct a fake but pleasant reality narrative, wake up in hell.

The first step’s taken.

Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 08:07:06

If you wouldn’t mind, and I am making this request with courtesy, please use the Joshua Tree extension and put my posts on ignore.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 08:22:42

‘Deny the link between politics and economy’

The problem for a blog is people apparently can’t discuss such things. When it devolves into hundreds of angry pointless comments, that I have to moderate, at some point I have to decide if that’s how I want to spend day after day. Would you do that for free? I kinda doubt it. Don’t take yourself so seriously. We aren’t staking out the course of history here.

Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 08:44:05

There are plenty, and I mean PLENTY of other places on line to discuss politics in detail and at length, with great vitriol.

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Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 09:53:51

Ben, I understand. And also, I’ve seen it all before.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2017-02-06 08:23:15

Palmy…still dont understand why Vancouver, what drove so many there to inflate prices?

Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 08:29:01

I could be wrong, but from what I read, much of it was driven by foreign money, mostly Asian.

I sort of get the impressions it has been an expensive city for a long time, even without the bubble. Back when I lived in South Florida, we had a discussion with an Indian family where the wife wanted desperately to move to Vancouver because she had relatives there, while the husband said he just couldn’t afford it and it was a constant source of disagreement with them. This was in the early 1990s.

Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 08:39:09

Also, to add to the above, there’s this on Vancouver’s climate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Vancouver

If I’m not mistaken, it’s the warmest spot in Canada, which makes it very desirable. Probably the best place to live in the entire country.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-06 09:42:50

I thought Phoenix Arizona was the warmest spot in Canada.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2017-02-06 08:40:23

and Vancouver always had a real drug and homeless problem for decades…just bizarre that’s all maybe the Indians and Chinese wanted to take up skiing? snowmobiling?

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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 09:18:28

‘what drove so many there to inflate prices’

We’ve covered that here extensively. First there’s been a cultural connection going back at least to when Hong Kong was handed over to the Chicoms and lots of money fled to Vancouver RE. There’s the fact that the mainland Chinese have to most to launder due to their QE which was multiples of the rest of the worlds. But most of all, it’s because the Canadians, every layer and section of governments and business, made it super easy to launder money in Vancouver. Every regulator turned a blind eye or even facilitated it. Every REIC body joyously promoted it. The local and regional governments shielded it. And if caught red handed at the airport with a suitcase of money, they paid a little tax and off they went!

Sometimes I wonder about this amnesia on housing bubble stories. A couple or three months ago I had a weekend topic just on Vancouver and money laundering where the Globe and Mail absolutely blew the lid off the whole crooked business. (And it is crooked because many of these people stole or swindled this cash). Then almost as soon as the reports are out, it’s like it never happened and we’re back to the usual REIC talk.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 09:40:44

‘How Vancouver got its housing bubble under control: a lesson for cities like London and San Francisco’

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Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 10:09:23

It’s a good start but not enough. It wouldn’t solve the problem of foreign owners of corrupt capital seeking permanent residence in order to circumvent the tax.

They should also enforce money laundering laws by requiring the cash buyers to prove the legitimate source of funds; add higher property taxes for nonresidents and partial year residents; and impose a tax on foreign buyers both on the way in and out (buying and selling).

 
 
Comment by oxide
2017-02-06 09:56:02

Ben, when you say Canadians made it easy to launder money in Vancouver, do you mean laundering was easy only in Vancouver? I thought the easy money would apply for all of Canada. Chinese could launder money in Edmonton, or Toronto, or Halifax, or Ft. MacMurry, and they just chose Vancouver because it was warm and close.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 10:08:47

From what I’ve read they find Vancouver easy and the local government very accommodating. Some of it ends up in New York. It should be noted when these guys get stuck it is found out they have loans. Sometimes 100% loans. This isn’t just money laundering, it’s mortgage fraud too. Same thing is happening in Australia.

 
Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 10:10:38

Are they getting local loans in Canada/Australia, or from China?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Comment by phony scandals
2017-02-05 20:17:39

Sum Game

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-02-05 20:52:17

Annandale, VA Housing Prices Crater 6% YoY

http://www.zillow.com/annandale-va/home-values/

Comment by taxpayer
2017-02-06 06:53:40

all Asian buyers there and within the 12 mile Human Tornado zone or RIFF n Roll area

 
 
Comment by acutehemroid
2017-02-05 22:59:58

Ok, it’s not just being over leveraged in an investment that ‘will never fail’. It’s being over leveraged in a market that is already saturated. By the way, students are in short supply. The majors that make an education AND a career are harder than most. In fact, education is not what it used to be. One time, it was a leg up into a comfortable middle class life. No longer.

This will put pressure on real estate in a number of areas. Building next to Universities is not an on-going investment if they are to be rented to an ever larger student body. Problem is the students are not increasing in a standard 4 year University.

I’m going to retire to a small house or a condo.

Maybe a tiny house.

Regards,
Rody

Comment by oxide
2017-02-06 07:43:19

Are you really considering a tiny house? Where would you park it?

 
Comment by rms
2017-02-06 09:51:49

“One time, it was a leg up into a comfortable middle class life. No longer.”

Amazing that so many are willing to ignore this salient point.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2017-02-06 03:42:18

“Global real estate markets are breaking a sweat, and Vancouver should be no exception. Those same foreign buyers that sent property values soaring around the world are now a little short on foreign currency. New regulations now prohibit the exchange of yuan for real estate, making it tricky to get currency into foreign markets. Without that sweet yuan converted, Chinese buyers won’t be able to continue driving prices, and could have trouble paying for existing property.”

Luckily for California homeowners who made a bundle when Chinese investors created massive home equity wealth gains by investing in residential properties at premium prices, the concerns about being short on foreign currency don’t apply to Chinese real estate investors who buy in California.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2017-02-06 05:15:23

A question on rental backed securities:

So I understand the official and unofficial reasons for social policies which boost house prices (official: “boosts liquidity and lending”; unofficial: higher house prices bring in higher property taxes, large voting block of house owners are pleased with increased house prices, revolving door/cronyism between Wall Street and government).

However, with the advent of rental backed securities backed by Fannie Mae, I’m failing to see any official social policy benefit to boosting rents, and very little unofficial benefit as well, other than the standard cronyism between Wall Street and government. Thoughts?

Another thought did occur to me: I was wondering what else they could do to boost house prices, seeing as the current levers are set to near max-boost settings. Could this be part of that policy, increasing the cost of the substitute good to encourage real estate purchases? Are they that out of bullets on boosting house prices? Like, there’s still the possibility of 40 or 50 year mortgages, pushing down lending standards, lower interest rates. Or are these things off the table, or merely last-resort items?

Comment by oxide
2017-02-06 07:07:05

From the article I read, Fannie is are only buying the very low-risk RBS, so maybe it’s simply a money-making venture. Another option: the primary RBS companies — Invitiation, AmericanHomes4Rent, etc — bought and fixed up distressed single-family homes, so maybe buying those RBS are an incentive to fix up and clear out SFH zombie inventory and provide affordable housing for families. There’s a social benefit to that. Of course, if those RBS depend on unfailing rent increases, then Fannie would cause the unintended consequence of eventually kicking those families out.

I think the powers that be are trying to boost house prices so that homeowners go back to cashing out equity and taking out HELOCs.

But you’re right, they’re out of bullets. Interest can’t go much lower than they are now. Pushing down lending standards… IIRC, Fannie does not buy “risky” mortgages, which includes any ARM or mortgage which does not require full PITI. Longer term mortgages don’t save much money, maybe $100/month: http://www.mortgage101.com/article/risks-40-year-mortgage

I still think Trump has the right idea: if we want Americans to get money and start spending it again, just get them some actual JOBS and produce real work for real wages, instead of playing the financial shell games again.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 11:56:44

3% down payment mortgages are the very definition of risky.

 
 
 
Comment by azdude
2017-02-06 05:43:04

rigged superbowl?

Comment by Professor Bear
2017-02-06 07:03:08

The overtime coin toss was rigged!

Comment by rms
2017-02-06 10:04:43

It didn’t look look like John Gage lucky dollar.

Comment by phony scandals
2017-02-06 10:13:08

Does 84 Lumber’s website work yet?

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Comment by phony scandals
2017-02-06 09:41:11

Holding the lead 28-12 and the ball with under 10 minutes left in the game, Matt Ryan’s fumble made it clear that the Falcons were going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2017-02-06 15:47:32

Totally. Then they pass from what, the Pat’s 22 yard line (sack) then get a holding penalty on another pass attempt on the following play. The worst possible choices given the situation, while everyone else is talking about how epic the game was.

 
 
Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 10:16:56

That was my first thought, watching the last 3.5 minutes before overtime.

Doping?

Comment by phony scandals
2017-02-06 10:49:38

“That was my first thought, watching the last 3.5 minutes before overtime.”

Even after Ryan’s fumble when they shouldn’t have been throwing, well this Politi guy says it better than I could ever hope to.

By Steve Politi | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
February 05, 2017 at 10:51 PM,

There was 4:47 left on the clock, an eternity in the NFL, but the Falcons had a 28-20 lead. The Patriots were about to start to burning their timeouts with the knowledge that they’d likely need to score twice to have any shot to force overtime.

“It’s easy to second guess,” Quinn said.

Yes, it is. This was an easy call: Run the ball three times. Burn some more time off the clock, kick the field goal and see if Brady could overcome that 11-point lead. So what did Quinn and the Falcons do?

The Falcons called for a pass on second down. Quarterback Matt Ryan was buried by defensive lineman Trey Flowers for a 12-yard loss that pushed the Falcons to the brink of field-goal range. Then, a holding penalty pushed them back even further. The Falcons had the game won, and instead, they had to punt the ball back to Brady.

The rest? History.

Comment by In Colorado
2017-02-06 11:08:50

AKA, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It felt like a replay of the NE-Seattle game two years ago.

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Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 11:36:16

Yes, lack of clock control.

But also, I thought it seemed like strange dichotomy in energy levels between the two teams at the end.

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Comment by rms
2017-02-06 18:28:38

“It’s easy to second guess,” Quinn said.

The Falcons defense eventually became exhausted giving Brady, a pocket shooter, the time he needed to throw completions.

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Comment by In Colorado
2017-02-06 11:10:35

rigged superbowl?

Maybe watched a total of 20 minutes of the game. Also skipped Lady Caca’s halftime show.

Comment by phony scandals
2017-02-06 11:40:20

“Also skipped Lady Caca’s halftime show.”

+1

No knock on Caca, I have watched every Super Bowl from the first when I was a just turned 6 year old sitting next to my father through last night and I don’t believe I ever watched a halftime show.

 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-06 07:19:12

The instant the Keynesian central bankers financial crack cocaine is cut off, global Ponzi markets and asset bubbles are going to be facing something ghastly: true price discovery.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-06/gross-without-qe-ecb-and-boj-us-economy-would-sink-recession

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-02-06 07:22:51

Los Gatos, CA Rental Rates Freefall 17% YoY

https://www.zillow.com/los-gatos-ca/home-values/

Comment by taxpayer
2017-02-06 09:03:53

wow, a negative price prediction form ZILLOW !
wtf- realtors will attack

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-06 07:25:17

“Former” Goldmanite Draghi is demanding moar financial crack cocaine to keep the ECB’s Ponzi markets and asset bubbles levitated.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-06/draghi-takes-case-for-qe-to-brussels-as-politics-keep-risks-high

 
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Comment by rms
2017-02-06 18:39:52

Are these investors flipping with their own cash?

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-06 07:33:10

Consumer bankruptcies on the rise for the first time since 2010, even with all the financial engineering games car makers and others are using to conceal the extent of their non-performing loans.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/05/house-flipping-is-back-with-all-its-opportunities-and-risks.html

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 08:14:36

The whisper word is China will no longer lead trade(due to sketchy book keeping).

Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-06 08:34:17

Somebody deposited Trillions of dollars in their account by mistake. They blew it all. It won’t happen again in any of our lifetimes.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 11:01:02

little dated but nothing substantial has changed except the Chinese economy has continued to expand about three times the rate of the U.S economy:

https://mises.org/library/chinese-savings-vs-american-spending

 
 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 08:29:28

Look at the date. LOL@Art Berman….. LOL

Art Berman: The Coming Moonshot In Oil Prices (Podcast)

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3986017-art-berman-coming-moonshot-oil-prices-podcast

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 09:02:40

Your point? People that have been bullish on oil when oil was in the 40s and many on this board were talking 10 a barrel made money. It may not have moved up as much or as quickly as we predicted but we still made money. By playing the driller BHI and using call options I made a lot, thank you very much. Oil has to do what he said then because we are running out of cheap oil, believe it or not, the price is going up over the next few years and by a lot.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-02-06 09:10:21

‘I made a lot’

Despite your pretty bad calls? Anybody can get on the internet and claim to have made a lot on something that already happened and no verification is possible. What would be more telling is what your next bonanza is coming from? Crow bibs?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 09:43:06

Oil is higher than when I made the call and the smart money saw the bottom in oil prices and bid both oil and drillers up. I identified the driller I was buying around two years ago and soon after a buy-out offered occurred. I wrote calls due to anti-trust concerns. The deal cratered I waited for the stock to recover and the options to expire worthless and wrote again. You can confirm my advice to buy BHI by searching my blog comments you can just essentially call me a liar, it is your blog. BTW, you can also find my advice to buy SWC since I liked platinum or palladium and its recent buy out.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2017-02-06 10:37:01

Good Lord Dan. You’re a gambler who makes a lot of bad predictions, but you want to subject us to a blow by blow like it was going on some kind of performance evaluation.

BTW, I caught alot of fish last summer. ALOT!

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 10:47:13

A lot of bad predictions, I only know one that was made on this board? Meanwhile people who were predicting ten dollar oil so they made no money on the oil rebound are saying I should eat crow. No with the money I made I am eating lobster and ribeye. You only needed to get the direction of oil right to make money and I did that. The stocks were depressed by the widespread predictions of oil in the low twenties and even the low teens. Did not happen despite many on this board believing the predictions.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 11:04:44

And it has a long way to fall.

 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-02-06 09:45:31

I like gold and silver at these prices, Not that you will remember when I am proven right.

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Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 10:22:38

Inflation is good for hard assets and gold.

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-06 11:21:13

Metals have been moving up nicely since the election.

http://www.kitco.com/market/

 
Comment by Big Fat Ugly Bubble
2017-02-06 12:27:29

My opinion, I would not even consider buying gold unless/until: 1) They stop constantly running ads on TV trying to sell it to you, and 2) Most of the news and articles about gold is dominated by the “gold is a barbarous relic” stuff again.

Then, I might start to think about it. Buy it when nobody wants it.

 
Comment by NYchk
2017-02-06 12:55:20

Agreed.

 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-02-06 14:53:04
 
Comment by Big Fat Ugly Bubble
2017-02-06 15:52:55

Raymond — Enjoy it! Ain’t nothing like holding fat stacks of 1-oz coins or kilogram bars in your hands. Feels good, man. Some day again, I’ll join ya.

 
 
Comment by new attitude
2017-02-06 09:51:02

ABQ wants us all to short China.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-02-06 09:20:17

lol@daniel crowman. Lol.

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2017-02-06 09:22:22

Here’s China again: Buy our stuff or we’ll kill you.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-06/china-unveils-new-ballistic-missile-capable-threatening-taiwan-us-bases-asia

Well, isn’t that special? They could have put the money into mitigating smog, pollution and lack of water for their citizens.

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-02-06 09:52:07

Downtown Austin, TX Rental Rates Crater 5% YoY

https://www.zillow.com/downtown-austin-tx/home-values/

Comment by m
2017-02-14 08:25:35

crater

 
 
 
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