Several readers think the non-bubble regions may have a price problem. “Any thoughts on what might happen in those areas of the country where there hasn’t been a lot of investor/flipper activity? For example, I live in Cincinnati. Not a whole lot of appreciation here the last couple years, but it still seems like an awful lot of people are stretching to buy huge houses, and I know a lot have ARMS, IO’s and HELOC’s.”
“So we probably have a credit bubble here too. And Ohio for some reason seems to have a high foreclosure rate too. Would like your opinions on what to expect in this area and others like it? Flat? 20% drop?”
One reader looks at Indiana. “I am originally from Indiana and I am curious about there like you in Ohio. Obviously, Indiana hasn’t been over run by speculation. I do wonder if there is a bit of a credit bubble with the financing for homes. If I remember, wasn’t Indianapolis one of the few undervalued areas?”
On Vermont, “I have similar questions about northern Vermont, where I’m thinking about relocating. Will prices be flat or down in places off the beaten track?”
A reply, “If it’s truly out in the boonies, away from a ski area, you should try to buy land at ‘farmer’s prices,’ not out of stater prices. Sometimes you find this two tiered rate card. If you shop carefully, you could do well. And you might be able to get a very large amount of acreage for about the same price you’d pay for a developed lot in with a lot of McMansions.”
“As for ski area prices, beware. The realtors will show you 90% of the lots are sold. They’ve been sold alright, to developers.”
Another, “The price pressure here is mostly from out of state speculators and retiring/retired baby boomer fantasyland dreamers. I don’t see anything relieving that pressure, outside of monetary/economic crises, unless fuel prices continue to explode making the commute from ParasiteLand (NJ/CT/NYC) to VT cost prohibitive. Weekends here are still like a bastardized version of Halloween for adults.”
On Ohio, “I went to college in Ohio and I still have family there (I’m in CA now). I visited them last summer. EVERYONE wanted to talk about real estate while I was back there. There is tons of new construction in the Dayton area. People told me that, ‘No one wants to buy used houses.’ And they also wondered who was going to buy all the news houses since there were so many.”
“I visited the CEO of the company where I used to work. He went on and on about the I/O loan problem and about how his employees were taking out loans they couldn’t afford. He thinks OH is in for a world of hurt, especially when you add the problems with GM and Delphi.”
“My husband and I REALLY want to move back to OH. But we’re waiting 2-3 years for various reasons. I can’t see staying in CA unless we can find a decent house for $500k in the Bay Area eventually. Best of luck to you in the Buckeye State!”
“I believe that the housing prices will fall in all areas before the bottom is reached, even in areas that have not had such high increases in prices. Since the economy is so dependent on the bubble for jobs (in construction and jobs related to selling and buying) and refinance spending money, when the bubble goes, the economy will suffer a nation wide recession, probably more like a depression, and this will affect the housing prices in the ‘non-bubble’ areas as well as the extreme bubble areas.”
“Another factor that will help to cause the recession/depression is the coming high amount of default which will affect the finances of many people, even those who are unaware that their investments are tied up to some degree in the secondary mortgage market, and also the banks and other institutions which will be in trouble from the defaults. It will be like dominoes knocking each other over.”
One reader ties the risks to the lending. “I suspect that all regions of the US will be impacted by a popped real-estate bubble. The entire economy has been propped up by housing. Also, my pet theory right now is that the degree of pain a given region will feel from a housing crash will correlate to the number of new ‘exotic’ loans that have been issued in the last few years. Regions that had high numbers of option arms and 100% interest loans would see the biggest price declines.”
“What’s scary about this theory is that even some of the supposedly ‘non-bubble’ regions have seen the use of these new loans balloon as well.”
One reader noted the relatively lower price increases. “Syracuse was recently cited as one of the least ‘bubbled’ areas in the country. Lest I get too lulled into any sense of security, I just call to mind the prices when we first scouted this area in 1998. Prices were about 40% lower then. I see no reason w/the financial situation coming why we couldn’t return to 1998. In fact the local news reported 3 manufacturers shutting down in the local area just this week.”