October 17, 2017

Long-Term Failure To Some And Severe Stress To Most

A report from Multi-Housing Biz. “This week marks the release of the October Housing Tides Report, featuring an update to the Housing Tides Index, an objective and sophisticated approach to quantifying and comparing the health of U.S. housing markets. Driving the significant drop in the Index was the release of 2016 local household formation data from the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey (ACS). The Index component that measures the ratio of housing permits to household formations worsened considerably, from a largely healthy ratio of 1.24 in 2015 to a less-ideal 1.83 in 2016. Specifically, while the U.S. saw 1.19M housing permits approved in 2016, the ACS data show that there were just 652k new households formed. Compare this to 2015, with 1.18M permits approved and 949k new households formed.”

“It’s difficult to reconcile the above, which suggests that housing construction is outpacing household formation by a large margin, with the extreme shortage of homes for sale, which fell to 2.8 months of supply in August.”

From Bisnow on California. “Cap rates may be low in San Francisco, rents may have flattened, but multifamily developers and investors are chomping at the bit to get their slice of the city. ‘As of three or four years ago, San Francisco became the center of the universe,’ said Maximus Real Estate Partners CEO Robert Rosania. Lenders and investors, including life insurance companies, are not showing signs of pulling back even as rent growth has slowed. ‘No one [in life insurance] is looking to lighten their allocations into 2018,’ Bellwether Enterprise Senior Vice President John Ghio said.”

From WUFT in Florida. “When Irfan Kovankaya pulled into the parking garage of his new apartment complex in August, one of the first things he noticed was an abundance of nice cars. ‘I looked around, and I saw like four Mercedes Benzes in literally four minutes,’ said Kovankaya, a resident at The Standard, the just-built high-rise complex across from the University of Florida. ‘Then I saw like 15 million Mustangs, and as I was driving in my Toyota RAV4, my mom was like, ‘These cars are all nicer than my car and every car I’ll probably ever own.’”

“Kovankaya said he’s feeling the financial pressure from that greater value at The Standard and plans to live elsewhere next year. ‘I already live above my means,’ he said. ‘I can’t live here another year.’”

The Bowling Green Daily News in Kentucky. “Michael Vitale believes in downtown Bowling Green, so much so that he and business partner Steve Sutton are all-in when it comes to betting on the city’s core. Partners in New Millennium Real Estate LLC, Vitale and Sutton are watching their The Vue residential/commercial development take shape while also breaking ground on a three-story, 15-unit residential development called 700 State and on an upscale residential development they’re calling Lenox Place.”

“And there’s more. These developments are among more than 1,600 multi-family units approved by the City-County Planning Commission of Warren County in the first nine months of this year, but Vitale and Sutton aren’t worried about a glut in the apartment market. ‘So many apartments have been constructed in Bowling Green,’ said Vitale. ‘But we think location is the key. We think being downtown will be an advantage.’”

From WHYY in Pennsylvania. “Apartment leasing agents across Philadelphia are noticing a trend: It’s getting harder and harder finding tenants to move in. With the city in the midst of an apartment construction boom, renters have more options than ever, meaning landlords are increasingly dropping rents and sweetening the pot to woo tenants. ‘The market is so saturated right now,’ said real estate agent Cristy Michaels. ‘Owners are decreasing rents in an effort to try to get renters in. I have one client who is now offering two free months. Two free months prorated over 12 months. That’s an incredible deal.’”

“‘Two years ago, we’d do a Craigslist post, and we’d get 20 hits instantly,’ said longtime Philadelphia real estate broker Mike McCann. ‘Now, I just had one, a little one-bedroom on Ninth and Spruce for $1,100. We had no hits in a week.’”

From DNA Info on New York. “Home sales prices in Brooklyn continued to rise in the past quarter, while rents dipped, according to market reports from top brokerage firms. The median price for rentals in the borough, when taking concessions like a free month’s rent into account, dipped 5.6 percent to $2,757 a month. The borough’s focus on new high-end rentals — where a glut is forcing developers to give incentives to keep prices aloft — has resulted in ’softness’ in that market, explained Elliman report author Jonathan Miller.”

“‘I wouldn’t say condos are in short supply, but there’s not a flood,’ Miller said. ‘The only time a condo doesn’t sell quickly is because the sales price is too high, not because of the demand.’”

From D Magazine in Texas. “As we continue through the longest economic recovery period in recent history, most indicators remain level promoting a perceived stability. There appears to be no common agreement on the remaining length of this positive cycle being offered from knowledgeable prognosticators. Most feel a predictable ‘correction’ is inevitable and most seem to be wisely preparing for it. Industrial, multifamily, Class A office, and hotel construction continues at a record pace, although all are beginning to display moderate discipline with significant decreases in new and planned projects. Stealing a comment from Wayne Swearingen, ‘Are we really overbuilt, or just over announced?’”

“The gap between existing home prices and new home supply continues to increase despite the 40 percent price increase in home values over the past four years. In comparing our company’s current brokerage activity and product focus with that of just five years ago, we see little activity in severely overpriced income producing acquisitions. Sale prices are two and three times replacement cost, even with land and construction costs at record highs.”

“Scrambling for yields has made this investment vehicle extremely vulnerable in all vertical asset classes. Their susceptibility to a negative national economy spells long-term failure to some and severe stress to most. Specialty products, self-storage, hotels, student housing, and certain medical uses are rapidly being overbuilt.”




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Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-10-17 09:17:01

Calabasas, CA Housing Prices Crater 13% YOY

http://www.movoto.com/calabasas-ca/market-trends/

Comment by SpoonKiller
2017-10-17 17:09:35

I never understand your posts… and believe me I would really like to see the market “crater” so that I can get a second house.

————————— Today 1 Month Ago 1 Year Ago
Median List Price $2,099,000 $2,099,000 $1,999,950 +4%
Median $/Sqft 490 490 478 +2%

Comment by Yunger
2017-10-17 17:28:17

Ditto. These “cratering” comments from this commentator are usually hopelessly incorrect on a variety of measurements. Confirmation bias, I guess and unhelpful.

 
Comment by Econ_Teacher
2017-10-18 06:52:46

Class, what’s the difference between list price and sales price?

I’ll give you a moment to think about it…

Comment by Carl Morris
2017-10-18 10:30:18

PROFIT!!! The sales price is always higher, right?

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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 09:18:56

‘Sale prices are two and three times replacement cost, even with land and construction costs at record highs’

I recently pointed out a 2 YO Tempe apartment complex that sold for twice what it cost to build. I’ll ask again: if you did that, what would you do next? Build as many as you possibly could. And why not, the financing is there:

‘Lenders and investors, including life insurance companies, are not showing signs of pulling back even as rent growth has slowed. ‘No one [in life insurance] is looking to lighten their allocations into 2018,’ Bellwether Enterprise Senior Vice President John Ghio said.’

They are already overbuilt and are “chomping at the bit” to build more.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-10-17 09:26:29

‘Sale prices are two and three times replacement cost, even with land and construction costs at record highs’

The end result is truly horrific when one pays $300/sq ft or more for what is built for $50/sq ft… even with a hefty profit at $50 per square. The consequences are even worse for paying $100/sq ft for a 20+year old shack.

Comment by Ethan in Northern VA
2017-10-17 09:57:07

Land cost is so high near the jobs.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-10-17 10:18:21

Remember….. Land is highly speculative resulting in massive price swings entirely unfounded on fundamentals. If you’re paying more than $500-$1000/acre, you’re paying too much. That’s why land is referred to as worthless dirt. Besides, there is a globe full of land and roughly 95% of it goes undeveloped.

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Comment by 2banana
2017-10-17 10:54:00

Especially when you sit on a porch of a insanely priced Denver McMansion and look upon the plains….

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Besides, there is a globe full of land and roughly 95% of it goes undeveloped.

 
 
 
 
Comment by BlackSwanDive
2017-10-17 15:03:57

Around here, it’s much cheaper to buy a piece of land and build a new house than it is to buy an existing one. Why aren’t more people doing that? Because they’re speculating. Speculators want houses to buy and sell like stocks. They’re not interested in shelter.

Comment by rms
2017-10-17 23:11:03

And the fed has the speculator’s back.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 09:20:36

‘Scrambling for yields has made this investment vehicle extremely vulnerable in all vertical asset classes’

I don’t think the media has any idea how big this thing is.

‘New York City retail owners, tenants and brokers are being stymied in their negotiations as they try to find rents acceptable to both sides. “Everybody wants to meet and ask for a reduction,” says Faith Hope Consolo, chairman of retail for Douglas Elliman. “It’s widespread today,” agrees Patrick Smith, vice chairman of JLL, which has an entire group focused on such bargaining all over the country.’

‘Retailers can make money, however, in some residential neighborhoods. Take near the giant housing complex LeFrak City, in Corona, Queens, where rents are about $50 per foot, which is relatively low and “approaching a residential rent,” according to Jamie LeFrak of its owner, the LeFrak Organization. “Retail rents throughout New York are in a state of free fall and can’t seem to find a clearing price.”

‘Fifth Avenue and Times Square retailers had been paying $2,000 to $6,000 per foot, but now, all bets are off.’

‘In 2008, retail was affected by the overall downturn in the economy. But now even with a strong stock market, retail is struggling in some areas. Says Smith, “This feels like a seismic shift.”

Comment by 2banana
2017-10-17 10:42:42

I am just trying to imagine:

1. Pick any year in the last eight - pick the best economic year and the best season of that year.

2. Pick ANY retail “brick and mortar” product. High end clothing. High end jewelry. Electronics. High end coffee. Toys. High end makeup.

3. How much do you have to sell to just pay the rent? Is it even possible?

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‘Fifth Avenue and Times Square retailers had been paying $2,000 to $6,000 per foot, but now, all bets are off.’

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2017-10-17 16:20:38

One rule of thumb in retail is that your annual rent should be no more than 15% of your annual gross revenue revenue. Once your rent goes above that 15% figure, it’s very hard to stay in business.

 
Comment by CHE
2017-10-18 12:30:07

Been seeing lots of this where I live in West Hollywood, CA.

Plenty of “For Lease” signs on Sunset and Santa Monica Blvds.

Business comes in, open for a a few months and then a “For Lease” sign up again OR…

Long-time business gets a massive rent hike, closes, then a “For Lease” sign up for months.

Oh - and plenty more commercial space keeps coming online.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 09:49:24

‘while the U.S. saw 1.19M housing permits approved in 2016, the ACS data show that there were just 652k new households formed. Compare this to 2015, with 1.18M permits approved and 949k new households formed.’

‘It’s difficult to reconcile the above, which suggests that housing construction is outpacing household formation by a large margin, with the extreme shortage of homes for sale’

It’s not hard to reconcile. The idea that there was a shortage of housing has always been a load of horse-hockey.

Comment by SW
2017-10-17 15:55:04

Ben,
That first article. wow!

I don’t think ive seen more clear data showing everything you’ve been talking about regarding the myth of the housing shortage.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2017-10-17 09:57:02

The real obscenity is 1+ million dollar 1bed room condos with massive HOA fees…

Is this a feature and a selling point?

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Million-Dollar Condos Offer Sweeping Views of Public Sex in Harlem Park
Dnainfo | 16 Oct 2017 | Gustavo Solis

Beside the sweeping views of the Birch, Maple and Sweetgum trees that fill the park, she can often see men and women having sex there in broad daylight.

“I saw a lot of b—jobs, guys having sex, guys masturbating, I really saw the whole gamut,” Gelot, who lived in the complex for five years, said. She moved out in August.

“I’m a lifelong New Yorker. I’ve seen many things, but what I saw that day shocked me,” the doorman recounted. “Not to be too graphic, but it was one gal and three guys.”

Residents who paid $1 million for condos are often shocked when they notice what’s going on in the public green space, Lamboy added. Their calls often prompt a police response and more sting operations, but as soon as the police leave, the hanky panky continues.

The most popular spot, according to residents, is an area just off the path leading up to the top of the park’s hill. The spot sits on the southeast side, just off a footpath that is littered with open condom wrappers.

When a DNAinfo New York reporter visited the area Thursday afternoon, one man was seen performing oral sex on another man. Below them, at grade level in the park, older people played chess on park benches, while dogs frolicked and a group of kids played a flag football game on the field.

Gelot said the park was a big selling point when she moved into her apartment. It features a dog run, a baseball diamond, basketball courts, a pool and an outdoor theater.

Unfortunately, when she looked out her window to see the park, all she saw was sex.

“There were days where I could see a guy giving another guy a b—job and not far away, a girl reading a newspaper on a sunny day not realizing what was happening 20 feet behind her,” she said.

Comment by Obama Goons
2017-10-17 11:46:25

This goes on every day in SF, LA and San Diego and has for years. It’s entirely acceptable behavior there.

Comment by rms
2017-10-17 23:14:35

No schitt, the anchor babies come with the scenery.

 
 
 
Comment by Ant Naples
2017-10-17 10:27:48

When is this bubble bursting??!! I wanna buy a nice home in DFW-TX!!

Comment by BlueSkye
2017-10-17 11:33:54

The consensus here was that it would burst 10 years ago. Then the mother of all sucker rallies kicked in.

Buckle your seat belt.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 12:24:57

These are all from 10 years ago today:

October 17, 2007

Buyers Have Gone On Strike In California

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=3587

Buyers Have The Benefit

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=3586

The Housing Hit Is Intensifying

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=3585

Sellers Need To Put Themselves Into The Buyer’s Shoes

“‘There is blame for everybody: builders who overbuilt, Realtors who oversold, lenders who weakened loan criteria and borrowers who stretched too far knowing nothing goes up forever,’ said Doug Duncan, chief economist for the Mortgage Bankers Association.”

“Don Casselman of St. Cloud started missing mortgage payments on his home earlier this year, after work injuries and a failed attempt to start a business. When Casselman, saddled with two mortgages, tried to sell it recently, he got no takers. Last month, Minneapolis-based U.S. Bank forced his family to leave.”

“‘They take people who are not in the best of credit, and they treat us like we’re millionaires — then they try to rip every dollar that you can make from your pocket, and they try to draw blood,’ said Casselman, who couldn’t persuade lenders to refinance his adjustable-rate loans when the $974 monthly payment was about to double. ‘They try to keep a poor man poor.’”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=3584

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2017-10-17 13:13:34

The minority viewpoint here is that it DID burst 10 years ago, with prices falling to levels (on an inflation adjusted basis) consistent with the prior two market troughs.

Then prices rocketed back up with the assistance of low rates and low levels of new development. Housing starts are still low, but prices are now beyond a typical market high. My guess is that we won’t see a meaningful correction until housing starts have breached the 1.6MM level; then…

Buckle your seat belt.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-10-17 15:01:43

With 25 million excess empty and defaulted housing units out there, there isn’t much of a need to build more.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 15:36:47

Check out the post from The Housing Hit Is Intensifying:

Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. Bloomberg, “Housing starts in the U.S. plunged more than forecast to a 14-year low in September, the Commerce Department said. Building permits fell 7.3 percent to a 1.226 million pace. The number of housing starts was the lowest since March 1993. The decline was led by a plunge in construction of townhouses, apartments and condominiums.”

“Construction of single-family homes fell 1.7 percent to a 963,000 rate, today’s report showed. Work on multifamily homes slumped 34 percent to an annual rate of 228,000.”

“The decrease in starts was led by a 28 percent drop in the Midwest. Construction fell 12 percent in the South and 10 percent in the West. Starts jumped 45 percent in the Northeast. The number of homes under construction fell 1.4 percent to a 1.114 million pace and the number of properties completed dropped 8.2 percent to an annual rate of 1.391 million.”

The Street.com. “‘Starts have declined at almost a 40% annual rate over the last three months, as the problems in credit markets gave the housing market another leg downward,’ said Wachovia economic analyst Adam York. ‘We think new construction will continue to decline into 2008.’”

“Housing analysts continue to say that a reduction in overall home inventories is a necessary precursor to any recovery in housing prices, which are falling in nearly half of U.S. markets.”

From MarketWatch. “Economists were clearly shaken by the accelerating weakness in housing starts. ‘There is no end in sight to the drop,’ said Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics.”

“He noted that housing starts fell 66% from 1978 to 1981. ‘This episode will likely be worse. The housing hit is intensifying,’ Shepherdson said.”

The Guardian. “‘September’s housing starts figures were so bad I’ve just had to apologise for using a profanity out loud,’ said Paul Ashworth, economist at Capital Economics. ‘Starts peaked at almost twice that level only 21 months ago. The credit crunch may only have had a limited impact on the rest of the economy but it has devastated an already weak housing sector.’”

The Associated Press. “Homebuilders are getting gloomier about the slumping housing market, as a 22-year-old index that tracks their sentiment set a new record low Tuesday.”

“The National Association of Home Builders said its housing market index, which tracks builders’ perceptions of conditions and expectations for home sales over the next six months, fell two points to 18 in October, the lowest level since the index began in Jan. 1985. It was the eighth straight monthly decline.”

“The group’s chief economist, David Seiders, said in a statement that many prospective buyers have ‘unrealistic expectations’ about new home prices and about how much their current homes are worth in this market.”

“Nationwide new home sales are projected to fall to 805,000 this year, down 23 percent from 1.05 million last year, the National Association of Realtors said last week. If that happens, it would be the worst year since 1997, and sales are expected to drop a further 6.6 percent in 2008 from this year’s forecast, according to the Realtors group.”

“In August, new home sales tumbled to the lowest level in seven years, and the median nationwide sales price fell by 7.5 percent from a year earlier to $225,700. That was the biggest drop in percentage terms in nearly 37 years, the Commerce Department reported last month.”

From Forbes. “‘Builders in the field are reporting that, while their sales incentives are attracting interest among consumers, many potential buyers are either holding out for even better deals or hesitating due to concerns about negative and confusing media reports on home values,’ said NAHB President Brian Catalde.”

“The Mortgage Bankers Association predicts the housing recession will last until the end of the third quarter next year. And if confidence isn’t restored in the credit markets, the wait could extend until 2009, the group’s chief economist said.”

“‘Tough times,’ said said Doug Duncan, chief economist of the group, after sharing the group’s loan production estimates during a briefing with reporters.”

“‘We have a ways to go in the housing recession. It is clearly a deep recession; at this point, we figure that will dissipate at the end of the third quarter,’ he said. ‘Anyway you look at it, there are massive supplies of homes that have to be worked off the marketplace before we return to an increase in activity, and certainly in terms of construction.’”

“In fact, the publicly reported inventory numbers are likely underestimated, considering they don’t include contract cancellations for new homes or foreclosed properties that aren’t being marketed by a real estate agent, Duncan said.”

“With the current glut of homes for sale, ‘any significant increase in homebuilding is probably years off,’ Duncan said.”

“‘The day of the 100 percent loan-to-home value loan in the subprime world are gone,’ he said in an interview with The Associated Press.”

“‘If you’ve got a spotty employment record, but good financials on your credit record, you may well still be able to get credit,’ he said. ‘But if you have a spotty employment record, and late payments on three credit cards, and you don’t have cash reserves, most likely you’re not going to get the credit.’”

“‘Layered risks is what that is all about,’ he said.”

The Sun News. “Troubled home builder Levitt and Sons has halted construction at all of its home projects across the Southeast, a spokesman for its parent company said. Fort Lauderdale, Fla.-based Levitt and Sons ordered builders to stop working Thursday - the same day the parent company, the Levitt Corp., announced it would write off huge losses from its home-building subsidiary.”

“The glitch leaves home buyers in Seasons, Levitt’s planned 460-house community for people ages 55 and older in Murrells Inlet, in limbo.”

“One buyer, Eileen Behrens, had been looking forward to moving into the Seasons community next month. She said she put $42,000 down on the house, including luxury upgrades.”

“But when Behrens drove through the neighborhood Thursday, she found that all work had stopped. But as the road progressed through the development, homes were less and less complete. Frames of homes stood deserted on lots, as if a permanent lunch break for construction workers had been called.”

“‘It’s just sort of like a ghost town there,’ Behrens said.”

The New York Times. “J.P. Morgan Chase took $1.6 billion in write-downs and increases to loss reserves, in line with several of its Wall Street peers, after it suffered from a sharp drop in leverage loan values, bad trading bets, and deteriorating home equity loans.”

“CEO James Dimon was cautious about the next quarter or two. ‘Clearly there are still a lot of issues out there that will take time to resolve and there is a lot of risk on the balance sheet.’”

“Mortgage lender Thornburg Mortgage Inc. said Wednesday it lost more than $1 billion in the third quarter due to the fallout in the mortgage markets and elected not to pay a dividend to holders of common shares to conserve cash.”

“During the third quarter, Thornburg Mortgage sold a total of $21.9 billion of loans at a loss of $1.09 billion. Thornburg also posted a loss of $11.5 million to fund forward commitments.”

“The lender was forced to sell loans from its portfolio at a discount because of the declining mortgage market. Thornburg Mortgage originates jumbo loans.”

From Reuters. “Fremont General Corp, which quit offering subprime mortgages in March, on Wednesday reported a $1.06 billion loss for the 18 months ended June 30.”

“CIT Group Inc., the largest independent commercial finance company in the U.S., reported a third-quarter loss, dragged down by costs from closing its subprime home-loan unit. he loss included a $290.5 million charge for lowering the value of its home lending portfolio to reflect market conditions, following a $495.3 million charge in the second quarter.”

“MGIC Investment Corp., the largest U.S. mortgage insurer, posted its first quarterly loss and said it won’t be profitable next year as the U.S. housing market worsens.” “The net loss of $372.5 million, was the worst quarter for the Milwaukee-based company since it went public 16 years ago.”

“MGIC reported third-quarter costs of $602.3 million, more than three times as much as a year earlier, to cover losses by the mortgage lenders it insures. CEO Curt Culver said on a conference call that U.S. real estate prices may drop 10 percent over the next 18 months.”

“MGIC wrote off its $466 million investment in Credit-Based Asset Servicing and Securitization LLC, jointly owned with Radian Group Inc., after demand for subprime loans collapsed.”

“Fitch Ratings said it may downgrade MGIC’s claims-paying ability because mortgages insured in 2007 appear to be performing as badly or worse than 2006 loans.”

The Kansas City Star. “Kansas City-based NovaStar Financial Inc., scrambling to survive the subprime mortgage meltdown, plans to sell much of its remaining business and slash about half of its remaining staff.”

“The company late Tuesday announced a deal to sell its mortgage-servicing rights for $175 million to Saxon Mortgage Services of Fort Worth, Texas. NovaStar said it would use the proceeds to pay off debt. At the end of June, NovaStar had about $633 million in short-term liabilities.”

“The once high-flying company has been laid low by the woes of the subprime industry, which makes residential loans to borrowers with blemished credit histories.”

“As of June, more than 1 million mortgages were in default or foreclosure, up 50 percent since June 2005, according to a report released Tuesday by the Government Accountability Office.”

“By selling off its mortgage-servicing rights to Saxon, NovaStar hopes to buy time until housing conditions improve. Whether it can do that while other subprime lenders declare bankruptcy, close their doors or get bought out by larger concerns remains an open question.”

The Journal Sentinel. “The U.S. housing market has become an economic drag on the businesses it once fed, A.O. Smith Corp.’s chief executive said Tuesday. ‘Housing weakness will continue for the foreseeable future and may be accompanied by slowdown in other market segments,’ said CEO Paul W. Jones. ‘As subdivisions don’t get built, some strip malls and the like will be delayed.’”

“‘The first couple weeks in August, when credit dried up and everyone decided we weren’t at the bottom of the housing market after all, we saw a couple weeks with practically no orders,’ Jones said.”

The Palm Beach Post. “Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said he wants lawmakers, regulators and lenders to focus on ‘putting an aggressive plan together and moving forward.’”

“The roots of the problem reach back to the 2002-05 housing boom, when many lenders aggressively pushed subprime mortgages. Paulson also urged Congress to ‘make some changes in our laws and rules in order to prevent some of the excesses and abuses of the last few years from happening again.’”

“‘Some of the conduct and practices that I have learned about are shameful,’ he said. ‘It is no secret that, while not the norm, some fraudulent activity on behalf of mortgage brokers occurred.’”

“A plan by top U.S. banks to set up a fund preventing the forced sale of billions of dollars of hard-to-value securities faces some serious obstacles.”

“Analysts said the pool might end up hurting existing SIVs even more by stripping them of their best assets. Nor is it clear who would manage the new pool. ‘It’s all a bit of a shell game,’ said Bill Cunningham, head of global fixed income research State Street Global Markets in Boston.”

“The chief of JPMorgan Chase & Co Inc, which is helping create a roughly $100 billion fund to bail out risky, illiquid investments, said there may be some of these investment vehicles that will not be helped.”

“JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon said on Wednesday the so-called super fund for structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, won’t help every SIV equally. ‘No one ever said every SIV is going to be helped,’ Dimon said.”

“‘There may be some SIVs that it’s not going to help, and that’s life in the fast lane,’ Dimon said.”

The Washington Post. “Only on Wall Street, and in its political annex, the U.S. Treasury, could someone think that the way to prevent a meltdown in structured investment vehicles is to create a giant structured investment vehicle.”

“While we’re at it, why not locate it, with all the other SIVs, in some offshore financial haven like the island of Guernsey or the Cayman Islands, where we can shield it from lawsuits and regulatory scrutiny and make sure nobody has to pay taxes until the profits are repatriated.”

“Like the SIVs it is hoping to rescue, let’s make sure it is highly leveraged, to get the best return on the relatively modest amount of real cash anyone puts into it.”

“And let’s ensure none of the banks setting up this Super SIV will have majority control or assume too much of the risk, so they won’t have to put any of it on their balance sheets or set aside their own money — ‘regulatory capital’ — in case something goes wrong.”

“Best of all, let’s use it as another chance to earn big fees!”

“International investors sold a record amount of American securities in August. Total holdings of equities, notes and bonds fell a net $69.3 billion, the Treasury Department said Tuesday. None of the dozen economists surveyed by Bloomberg News predicted the decline, the first since Russia defaulted in 1998.”

“Foreigners dumped American assets as mortgage defaults set off a surge in borrowing costs that spurred central banks to flood the banking system with cash and forced the Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates.”

That was a busy day.

 
 
Comment by SW
2017-10-17 20:51:50

Rental Watch,

It seems the first article refutes your premise (which you have detailed in other posts here) that housing starts must hit 1.6MM before a correction occurs.

MBiz mag says 1.2MM housing units were permitted in 2016 and only 652k households were formed. They didn’t expect that the article says due to the strong wage growth. So, that’s 50% more units being built last year than households formed to absorb them. Sounds like negative absorption to me and solid grounds for a market correction regardless of other external factors (wages, stocks, etc).

Also, the article says that around 30% of sales last year were to non primary residence buyers. Let’s call them speculators. That’s another reason we probably haven’t seen a correction yet as well.

I definitely thought that we were overbuilt in MF all over the nation up until this point. Now, I’m convinced that we’re overbuilt across the board. MF and SFR.

On another note, I’m seeing multiple foreclosure and short sale listings in my expensive coastal California area. I was shocked. I haven’t seen more than 1 or 2 distressed properties a year since 2012.

It seems we’re on the backside of this market and picking up steam.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2017-10-18 00:53:38

It has also been detailed how most of the housing units being built are luxury, and the need is more affordable.

In other words, the lack of household formation could be due to a mismatch between what is being built and the need. Overall, the level of vacancy is NOT concerning as compared to the bubble years, which indicates to me that we are not (yet) overbuilt.

We’ll get the Q3 vacancy data in a couple of weeks, and we’ll see if the trend noted in the article continues.

 
Comment by SW
2017-10-18 10:12:41

Thanks for responding RW. I appreciate the dialogue.

I’m not sure I follow you on why the vacancy data matters. I understand that if there was excess supply Vacancy would be higher.

I agree that 90% of what’s being built all over the US is luxury. I’ll bet that’s affecting household formation.

Also, I am of the opinion that luxury will bring the entire market down with it.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-10-17 21:47:39

” Then the mother of all sucker rallies kicked in.”

Central bank engineering

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2017-10-17 10:36:40

So kinda of a crazy week - and it is only Wednesday.

Liberal Hollywood imploding. Sexual assaults, rapes and even pedophile charges of major democrat supporters and donors. Where will this end?

FBI published the Russian bribery plot, that obama and Holder knew about, and that netted the Clintons Millions.

NAFTA on the brink of imploding.

After just 9 months of DJT in office - ISIS nearly defeated everywhere.

Catalan about to break from Spain or start a cold civil war

Obamacare on its last legs.

The Iranian “deal” is just about sunk.

So how does all this affect the economy in general and housing in particular? The wheels are coming off the massive fraud and charade obama bus. It is going to crack soon, and when it does, the massive rush to the exits will begin.

Comment by ibbots
2017-10-17 10:53:02

Technically, today is Tuesday.

Comment by 2banana
2017-10-17 10:55:56

Depends on where in the world you are…

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 10:57:52

http://ew.com/movies/2017/10/17/jennifer-lawrence-male-producer-said-she-was-perfectly-f-able-after-being-told-to-lose-weight/

She was 15 at the time. If this industry was based in Texas, boy would we be hearing the trash talk. Redneck perverts! But noooo, this is hollywood, which never misses a chance to get up on some moral high-horse and lecture us. Remember when they went off on gun violence? Yet they put out movie after movie of shoot-em-ups. Elite my a@@. Bunch of low-lifes if you ask me.

Comment by Rental Watch
2017-10-17 13:22:53

And now you have their own turning on them:

https://www.cnet.com/news/jeffrey-katzenberg-harvey-weinstein-not-a-lone-actor/

“The problem is there’s a pack of wolves. He’s not a lone actor in this.”

To be fair, Katzenberg seems to be on the good side of this (despite his left-leaning tendencies). ISTR reading where Katzenberg declined extending a business trip and hanging out in Europe for a few days with some “A-List” actors/actresses because his weekly “date night” was coming up with his now wife of 40+ years, and he apparently did whatever possible to never miss date night.

Comment by junior_kai
2017-10-17 14:29:28

He doesnt name who the (((members))) of the pack are. Wonder why?

Most seem to acknowledge the pervasiveness but don’t name names.

And what ever happened with the investigation into the Las Vegas shooting? Big time coverup there as they really want us to forget it ever happened.

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Comment by BlackSwanDive
2017-10-17 15:32:45

What would they be covering up? A crazy guy shot a bunch of people from a good vantage point with the right guns and lots of ammo. The only thing that seems sketchy to me is the police and hotel responses, which could have been quicker.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 15:40:20

How about a lack of motive?

 
Comment by BlackSwanDive
2017-10-17 16:02:41

Like he wasn’t the actual shooter, and somebody else did it who’s at large?

Apparently, there’s a paper trail of this guy purchasing all sorts of weapons going back to the early 1980’s. If those are the guns used, I don’t see how it points to anybody else. He could have just been an angry guy. A lot of compulsive gamblers are vengeful against the casinos who take their money.

I don’t think we’ll ever know what this guy’s motive was, but it’s hard to imagine anything else going on. I’d think Trump would be putting the screws to the FBI, local police, etc. if he thought there were shenanigans taking place. And I think a coverup would take too many people to orchestrate. Somebody would go rogue and start making anonymous calls, etc.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2017-10-17 16:08:14

He also noted:

“I’ve had hundreds of meetings with Harvey Weinstein, and literally not a single time was Harvey abusive to someone in my presence,” Katzenberg said. “Somehow this behavior was masked by him.

“The tragic part is these women masked it from us too because they were intimidated,” he said.

Katzenberg is clearly not being hit on by the likes of Weinstein, and he acknowledges that the women who were being intimidated were not coming forward.

And the likes of NBC were happy to keep the story under wraps.

And there were plenty of settlements that I’m sure were kept quiet.

In other words, the best Katzenberg probably hears are rumors…and it would be pretty crummy if he started naming names if all he had was rumors to go on.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-10-17 21:44:19

“How about a lack of motive?”

Crazy peops don’t need no stinkin’ motive.

 
Comment by rms
2017-10-17 23:19:00

Desi Arnaz invented the casting couch.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Apartment 401
2017-10-17 11:24:48

LOL that #MuhRussia has come full circle to the Clinton Foundation.

Another recent article reported Hillary becoming agitated when asked about WikiLeaks by an Australian TeeVee station.

Julian Assange reportedly has a “deadman switch” on release of new data dumps should he be arrested or killed.

Hillary is going down…

Comment by Apartment 401
2017-10-17 11:36:14

No mention of the Hillary/Russia bribery article published by The Hill dot com today at the New York Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, UK Guardian.

Stay tuned for what CNN tells you you’re supposed to think about it…

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 16:25:41

‘“The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Obama administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.’

‘The Obama administration’s decision to approve Rosatom’s purchase of Uranium One has been a source of political controversy since 2015.’

‘That’s when conservative author Peter Schweitzer and The New York Times documented how Bill Clinton collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in Russian speaking fees and his charitable foundation collected millions in donations from parties interested in the deal while Hillary Clinton presided on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.’

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

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Comment by BlueSkye
2017-10-17 18:31:35

Those corrupt elites mock us for clinging to our morals, ethics and freedoms.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-10-17 14:10:14

Liberal Hollywood imploding. Sexual assaults, rapes and even pedophile charges of major democrat supporters and donors. Where will this end?

Sounds like a good old fashioned Marxist purge. Those who fail the purity test and are no longer useful get sent to the virtual gulag. Sure, Weinstein is free, but he can’t show his face anywhere. And while he probably won’t go to jail he’s going to be writing a lot of checks.

Expect the Dems to turn hard left after they finish cleaning house. Out with the gropers and in with Antifa and red brigades. The whack jobs you see on college campuses are their new base.

Comment by junior_kai
2017-10-17 18:16:04

You mean the ones that dont even vote?

I like this interviewer, goes to all the protests and asks the whack jobs questions which they cant answer because they’ve never used their brain before or destroyed it with some drug and they almost always say they don’t vote when asked. Maybe its a lie and they just say that to maintain the purity you mention but I doubt it, I think theyre just too stupid and lazy

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIpwPuJsrboNnf200oV8cWQ/videos

 
 
Comment by Oxide
2017-10-17 19:28:24

Banana you forgot the illegal immigration. Giving DACA six monts to live was brilliant. Suddenly the Dems can’t just pretend to “have a conversation” while winking at the flood pouring in. They are on the block and still think they can make all-or-nothing demands.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 10:42:38

From this past weekend:

“A third quarter scorecard for Dallas-Fort Worth’s real estate market shows some winners and losers. At the end of the third quarter, about 48,000 apartments were under construction in the D-FW area — down from almost 53,000 units at the recent peak of the market. In the third quarter net apartment leasing in the area added up to only about 400 apartments.”

“Through the first nine months of the year, net apartment leasing in D-FW is running almost 30 percent behind where it was in the same period of 2016. With more than 20,000 new apartments opening their doors in 2017, that’s not what D-FW landlords want to hear.”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10230

At that rate it will take 120 quarters to fill what’s under construction. That’s 30 years. Only 10 years higher than sales rates on $3 million+ Miami Beach condos. There’s lots more at the link.

Comment by Karen
2017-10-17 13:00:58

Bring it on. So much good news lately it’s becoming hard to keep up with it all.

DFW apartment complexes for all! Maybe I’ll buy one a few years down the road after everyone has given them up in bankruptcies. You could start a paid forum teaching us all how to buy and become landlords.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 13:09:18

It’s gonna be monumental. I also read in the DMN that SFH building just hit a 10 year high. This absorption data can only mean people aren’t net moving to the Dallas area anymore. These guys have made a big miscalculation.

Comment by BlueSkye
2017-10-17 15:12:51

Yeah. Oil was supposed to stay at $100 too.

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Comment by whirlyite
2017-10-17 13:15:36

Makes me nostalgic for the condo my ex and I rented out in Garland, off of I-30 right before it crosses Lake Ray Hubbard way back in 1985. Remember the S&L ‘crisis’ and the I-30 scandal?

https://www.dallasnews.com/obituaries/obituaries/2012/05/31/convicted-i-30-condo-fraudster-d.l.-danny-faulkner-dies

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-10-17 14:15:44

At that rate it will take 120 quarters to fill what’s under construction. That’s 30 years.

Didn’t they bulldoze unsold condos in Dallas after the S&L crisis?

In the third quarter net apartment leasing in the area added up to only about 400 apartments.

I guess everyone isn’t moving to Dallas, or if they are, they’re couch surfing while searching on Craigslist for that great job, which they won’t find.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-10-17 15:05:18

Recently there were housing units demo’ed in California. I’m not sure if they were condos or SFRs.

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-10-17 20:33:51

At what point will even dumbshits detect the massive imbalances?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2017-10-17 10:51:47

Good old Philly….

After 60 years of long term corrupt democrat rule, truly insane public unions and a free sh*t army second to none.

It has lost half its population. It is somewhat stable now in population but not for long.

Highest wage tax in the country
Highest automobile insurance in the country
Terrible schools
High crime
Corrupt to the bone democrat/public union rule
And yeah - they are WAY beyond bankrupt

Philly should be a cheap blue collar town which manufactures lots of things and families can live the affordable, low tax “American dream” in an inexpensive and safe row house and vacation at the Jersey shore (or Pocono Mountains).

Instead, they think they are a mini NYC and are really the worst of both worlds.

++++

“Right now the name of the game in the rental market in Philly is not to raise the rent,” he said. “It’s to keep the tenants if you can and ride this downturn out.”

“That construction is being completed at the same time we haven’t seen a big surge in population in the city,” Gillen said.

 
Comment by Apartment 401
2017-10-17 11:02:38

Realtors are liars.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-10-17 11:14:40

…. And every closing a crime scene.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-10-17 11:12:07

‘while the U.S. saw 1.19M housing permits approved in 2016, the ACS data show that there were just 652k new households formed. Compare this to 2015, with 1.18M permits approved and 949k new households formed’

This is for you rentalwatch:

“Cooking and Eating Crow”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrxX8LEqs8w&t=3s

Comment by Rental Watch
2017-10-17 13:41:18

The rental vacancy rate–produced by the same government agency–ticked up to 7.3% from 6.7% (year on year) in the second quarter. However, 7.3% is still among the lows going back 20 years.

This is certainly evidence of supply exceeding demand in the near term, but not evidence of there being too much supply overall.

The homeowner vacancy rate ticked down from 1.7% to 1.5% over the same time…also a low going back 20 years.

https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf

New data will be out in a couple of weeks. Always good to look for more than one data point to determine a trend.

Comment by Carl Morris
2017-10-17 15:56:12

How valid are these numbers now in the age of Airbnb?

Comment by Rental Watch
2017-10-18 01:04:59

The vacancy rates were well on their way down before AirBNB had any meaningful rentals.

At this point, globally, AirBNB will have about 100 million room nights–but that’s globally…Paris is a hugely popular destination (as are other global cities)

At 33% occupancy (and many global markets show more than 50% occupancy) means that these 100MM room nights translates to about 800k housing units globally.

Even if half are in the US, that represents about 0.3% of all housing units in the US. A rounding error.

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Comment by jeff
2017-10-17 18:07:53

I like my Crow stuffed with Gorgonzola and wrapped in bacon.

 
 
Comment by Karen
2017-10-17 13:19:27

From the Dallas Observer article:

“Who would have expected a kneeling incident to cause a national social uprising sufficient to threaten one of America’s most treasured pastimes? DFW is a resilient community that has historically successfully confronted adversity and challenge on many levels. We have amongst us a group of the most intelligent, creative, visionary developers, architects, engineers, financiers, and entrepreneurs with the energy and resources to successfully confront the issues and support the anticipated growth. While there will always be bumps, experience and discipline will endure (maybe).”

Well, as long as we have the right group of experts to create master plans for us, we’ll be just fine.

Comment by In Colorado
2017-10-17 21:00:06

Who would have expected a kneeling incident to cause a national social uprising sufficient to threaten one of America’s most treasured pastimes?

The No Fun League was in trouble long before it’s overpaid prima donnas began to kneel. Its rating will continue to collapse.

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2017-10-18 05:13:26

My dream is for ignorant pukes to finance the building banks for bankers just as they have been convinced to build stadiums for football teams.

I suppose that some would argue that being massively bailed out a few years should be enough for bankers, but it ain’t; There is no such thing as enough.

Remember: Ignorant pukes work, bankers reap.

Comment by In Colorado
2017-10-18 08:52:11

Didn’t Charlotte, NC already do that, via tax incentives, to get banks to move their HQ’s there?

 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-10-17 16:17:16

Swansea, MA Housing Prices Crater 19% YOY

https://www.zillow.com/swansea-ma/home-values/

Comment by azdude
2017-10-17 16:30:04

casting couches with every home purchase!

Comment by Mr. Banker
2017-10-18 05:18:23

Casting couches = couches that converts to a bed.

I like it.

Maybe I should get one so as to properly interview my next intern.

 
 
 
Comment by Shoeguy
2017-10-17 16:52:08

Where the hell are all of these people moving FROM?

Comment by In Colorado
2017-10-17 16:59:31

Mexico?

 
Comment by Oxide
2017-10-17 19:39:28

My guess is Millenials who graduate from northern state school and find jobs down south.

Comment by BlackSwanDive
2017-10-18 08:32:58

The where are all the people moving north to fill all those newly constructed apts coming from?

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-10-17 20:28:54

China

 
Comment by SW
2017-10-17 21:44:40

My guess is there aren’t many people actually moving to these new metropolis meccas popping up all over the US. My guess is that some people did move there for jobs, etc. Most of them millennials. The rest of the housing units up until now were bought by speculators riding on the narrative that “everyone is moving here because it’s so awesome”. The collective shelter buyers and speculators drove up the prices like mad in concert with the cheap credit.

Once the speculators pull back we’ll see that demand is no where near what builders thought it was. It’s gonna be painful. Really painful. Housing value drops will lead to job loss. Job loss will lead to consumption drops. Consumption drops will lead to recession. Recession will lead to financial institution collapse. The next crisis already happened. We just don’t know it yet.

As Ben says, they already lost the money on the houses when they bought.

Comment by BlackSwanDive
2017-10-18 08:34:07

Exactly. It’s all a massive wave of speculators who have permeated every market in the entire world.

 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-10-17 19:51:42

Redwood City, CA Housing Prices Crater 13% YOY

https://www.zillow.com/redwood-city-ca/home-values/

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-10-17 20:27:18

“Scrambling for yields has made this investment vehicle extremely vulnerable in all vertical asset classes. Their susceptibility to a negative national economy spells long-term failure to some and severe stress to most. Specialty products, self-storage, hotels, student housing, and certain medical uses are rapidly being overbuilt.”

Luckily our very own azdude has assured us that the Fed has ruled out the possibility of ever having another recession.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-10-17 20:41:10

So back up the truck, and load up on specialty products out the wazoo!

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-10-17 21:28:14

First I think you can’t lose by gambling on risk asset purchases in times like these, but then I recall Herbert Stein’s Law:

Anything that cannot continue forever will stop.

 
 
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Comment by taxpayer
2017-10-18 06:16:12

any comments on the farm cycle
where we at?

 
Comment by jeff
2017-10-18 08:16:42

They announce they are giving away free chit and big surprise…

“Crowds in Miami-Dade and Broward counties were so large last weekend that local and state officials abruptly closed several crowded sites because of “health and safety concerns,” according to The Miami Herald.”

John Prince, Lake Ida disaster relief crowds overflow with frustration

Christine Stapleton Julio Poletti Lulu Ramadan
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
7:52 p.m Tuesday, Oct. 17, 2017 Local News

Five weeks after the outer bands of Hurricane Irma thrashed Palm Beach County, thousands of people lined up as early as 2 a.m. to apply for disaster food assistance at three county parks.

The Food for Florida Disaster Food Assistance Program is designed for those in Florida who aren’t ordinarily eligible for food assistance but lost food or suffered damage from the storm last month.

As the sun came up, the line of cars trying to get into John Prince Park was backed up more than a mile to Interstate 95. Confusion, frustration and impatience grew as Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Deputies redirected traffic to a park entrance on South Congress Ave.

“They didn’t ask for anything, just my ID,” said Rosa Alvarado, a Lake Worth mother of three who went three days without water and a week without power. She said she spent money on plywood and screws before the storm and threw out food after the storm.

“You fill out what you consider to be right, but it is your conscience that speaks,” Alvarado said. “If you lie, that’s up to you.”

Large crowds also formed before sunrise on Tuesday at Lake Ida Park in Delray Beach, with traffic backed up throughout the 189-acre park. Countless cars crowded side streets and parking lots within a quarter mile of the park. About 3,500 applicants were allowed in before the park hit capacity and was briefly closed.

Marie Jimenez, of Delray Beach, showed up at 3 a.m. to find hundreds already in line. She finally got assistance at about 8:30 a.m., but only because she was allowed to skip the line because of a knee condition, she said.

“It was a long wait, of course,” said Jimenez, who brought a folding chair with her, as many others did. “I’m happy with how it went, but others were not. I didn’t mind the wait.”

A woman, who declined to give her name, drove from her home in Coral Springs in Broward County at 2 a.m. to line up, after waiting hours in a Broward County line on Sunday only to learn it reached capacity.

She got through the line in Delray Beach, however.

“It was chaos,” she said. “There were people running into line at 2 in the morning. Inside the park, there were multiple lines.”

Medics and police responded to cases of heat exhaustion, as well as fights among “frustrated participants,” according to the report.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/local/breaking-food-stamp-sign-jams-streets-from-lake-worth-lantana/cr2mmmPXYJi31BfxCpFXiJ/

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-10-18 08:34:06

Emeryville, CA Housing Prices Crater 20% YOY

http://www.movoto.com/emeryville-ca/market-trends/

 
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