It’s Going To Be Painful Before It Gets Better
In Business Las Vegas reports from Nevada. “Las Vegas analyst Dennis Smith said the housing market slump is deeper and longer than most expected. It’s going to be painful for a while longer before it gets better, Smiths said. In the resale market, the news is sobering, with 9,847 transactions during the first four months, a drop of nearly 33 percent from 2006.”
“Smith said one of the big differences in the inventory of new homes and resale homes is that larger home builders will slash prices to whatever it takes to sell their unsold product.”
“‘It’s more difficult for the smaller builders to match these price incentives, so it’s crucial for them to keep unsold standing inventory at a minimum,’ Smith said. ‘It is impossible for home owners to compete with the price reductions of the larger homebuilders. Owners who are leveraged can’t cut their price much without losing money on their investment.’”
“Smith said that one of his clients told him that Lennar Homes sent a letter to companies they do business with offering a 30 percent discount on their standing inventory of homes if they closed escrow by the end of May.”
“‘If a home is priced at $500,000, you could get a $150,000 discount and purchase it for $350,000,’ Smith said. ‘The discount on a $750,000 home would be $225,000. That is a primary reason that the resale (market) will normally take longer to correct. There are more of them, and they can’t or won’t lower prices to match the new home discounts.’”
The Review Journal from Nevada. “Potential supply is flattening and market demand is modest in Las Vegas’ luxury condominium market, a local research analyst said. The report showed 4,214 existing units with another 13,409 under construction. Most of those have been sold or reserved. Total units that are built, proposed or canceled exceed 97,000.”
“Industry insiders are saying that many high-rise condos are being put back on the market for resale and, like single-family detached homes, they’re not selling.”
“One luxury condo broker said he walked the floors at Metropolis and saw lockboxes on nearly every door. Real-estate agents use lockboxes to access empty homes for showing. He said 70 percent of the units at SoHo Lofts are listed for sale.”
“Las Vegas-based SalesTraq reported 213 escrow closings at Sky Las Vegas in April at an average price of $723,480 a unit. About one-third of high-rise closings are showing up for resale the next day on the MLS, SalesTraq President Larry Murphy said.”
“‘There’s so many condo owners trying to figure out what to do with their property. They’re on the phone to us all day. It’s a very hot topic,’ said Eric Smith, owner of a company that matches owners of executive homes with potential renters.”
“Condo presales account for 9.8 percent of the market, while speculative plans call for 56,300 more units, or 57.6 percent of the market, Applied Analysis reported. More than 14,000 units have suspended sales or have been officially canceled.”
“Buyers at projects such as Krystal Sands, Vegas Grand and Icon filed class action lawsuits against the developer and the next potential lawsuit could involve Spanish View Towers, which has halted construction in the southwestern valley.”
“Sisters Allison Gaynor and Barbara Chandler and their late mother, Saralee Bowers, thought they had a secure deposit when they put down more than $600,000 on three luxury high-rise condos to be built in the southwestern Las Vegas Valley.”
“They entered contracts stating that the first units at Spanish View Towers would be available for occupancy in July.”
“The developer’s current actions, together with his history, may establish a pattern that constitutes racketeering, the lawsuit contends.”
The Arizona Republic. “Pulte Homes Inc. will consolidate its three Phoenix area divisions into two as part of a nationwide restructuring that will trim about 2,000 jobs, or 16 percent of its total workforce. Pulte reported 1,190 employees in the state at the end of 2006.”
“Local housing analyst RL Brown said he wasn’t surprised that a major builder would be doing some restructuring in the current market. ‘I would imagine, though that their (Pulte’s) situation in Arizona is no worse than elsewhere,’ he said.”
“In any given month, Mesa businessman Jamison Manwaring is juggling 100 or so clients who are selling very different homes with one goal: making a sale without using a real estate agent.”
“Instead of paying commission, they hand over a few hundred dollars to his For Sale By Owner affiliate for some professional guidance, an Internet listing and a yard sign. Last year, about 250 homeowners decided to go it alone with the company’s help. They’re not the only ones striking out on their own.”
“The prospect of selling a home without a typical 6 percent commission is especially appealing in Arizona and elsewhere where the housing market has cooled.”
“‘In markets like this, you tend to see more for sale by owners. They’re cutting the sales price as close as they can, so they want to cut out the commission,’ said Jay Butler, director of realty studies at Arizona State University’s Polytechnic campus in Mesa.”
The New Mexico Business Weekly. “The nationwide less-than-perfect-credit mortgage crisis has spread to New Mexico, as subprime delinquencies increased a hefty 25 percent during 2006, to the point where now, one in eight of these loans statewide is overdue.”
“Subprime adjustable-rate mortgage performance is even worse, with nearly 14 percent of these loans delinquent here.”
“New Mexico’s foreclosure rate on subprime loans is higher than all its Mountain state neighbors except Colorado. Only about 10 percent of New Mexico’s mortgages are subprime, below the national average. And, the bulk of them appear to have been made by out-of-state lenders.”
“Greg Frost, the founder of Frost Mortgage in Albuquerque, said most subprime business in the market has been done by local brokers for out-of-state subprime shops like New Century Mortgage, Argent, Fremont Investment, or First Franklin. And, he said some of these out-of-state players haven’t done too well by their customers.”
“‘There are a lot of loan originators who have availed themselves of the subprime account executives’ willingness to take a minimal application from them and finish it, process it, and baby-sit it through to underwriting and closing,’ Frost said.”
Why is all a surprise to all these experts who failed to warn anyone?
what a bunch of blood suckers.
Failed to warn??? That is the understatement of the new millennium!
These so-called experts (esp. Liareah) deliberately deceived the public to protect what they perceived to represent the best interests of their constituency. With a beautiful twist of karmic justice, they and the shills they represent are now entrapped in their own web.
Oh what a tangled web we weave
when at first we practice to deceive.
New Mexico’s foreclosure rate on subprime loans is higher than all its Mountain state neighbors except Colorado.
I wish this thing would just move along a bit faster…
It’s best that it moves slowly. If it moved really fast, we would get to relive the Great Depression, a fate I would personally rather avoid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_Man
Amen! Again, amen!
It’s good it’s changing, but let’s hope for a less-than-catastrophic re-alignment with fundamentals.
That is a primary reason that the resale (market) will normally take longer to correct. There are more of them, and they can’t or won’t lower prices to match the new home discounts.’”
I can’t and won’t be bothered to waste my time on such greedheads.
and they can’t or won’t lower prices
They can and they will. Or they won’t sell.
People who are upside down will choose the foreclosure route. Who would sell and pay tens of thousands out of their pocket when they could live there free for 6-12 months? Bankruptcy and foreclsoure are the new black
That’s why it will move slowly — desperate sellers will hang on until the bank forces them out. Better cook yourself a big batch of popcorn, sit back and enjoy until this debacle plays itself out.
The months of inventory numbers that are being quoted don’t make a lot of sense to me. For instance:
Inventory: 10,000 homes for sale
Monthly Sales: 1,000
Months of Supply: 10
This really is misleading. The only way it would take 10 months to sell all for sale homes is if no additional inventory was added for 10 months. And that isn’t going to happen. And the inventory numbers are rising each month while the sales numbers are dropping.
It is the reverse of the bubble years. The realtors quoted 3 months supply, for example, but in reality homes were selling in days or even hours. Some never even made it into the MLS. So just like those numbers were radically wrong, now that we have a bust so are these.
Bottom line: there is an infinite supply of homes for sale today. Don’t believe the “months supply” data.
Usually when they state what the latest months of supply number is, they preface the statement with “if no other homes came on the market.”
It’s kinda like the median price. One has to dig a little deeper to understand it, but it does give some measure of what the market is doing.
I agree. It’s not a useless statistic. You can bet when the inventory in certain Florida regions appears to be more than 40 months’ supply, it’ll probably take 80 months (or longer) to clear up the problem.
It’s one useful way of normalizing the inventory data. Actually, months of inventory is better than simply stating the number of properties on the market. There’s a big difference between 10,000 properties on the market, selling at 8,000 per month and the same number on the market, selling at 2,000 per month.
“Smith said that one of his clients told him that Lennar Homes sent a letter to companies they do business with offering a 30 percent discount on their standing inventory of homes if they closed escrow by the end of May.”
This gives some idea of the profit margins for the big builders.
It’s also a sign that home builders are expecting this downturn to get worse. I think the 30% represents all their profit and they are getting rid of inventory to reduce holding costs.
should be net profit.
Who’s holding the bag? pdf slideshow- don’t miss this one
http://www.designs.valueinvestorinsight.com/bonus/pdf/IraSohnFinal.pdf
Long pdf but will be interesting to read, nonetheless.
Part of my family holds their portfolio in Pershing. Unfortunately, Pershing made an error and sent $73,000.00 of the accounts to the IRS when they shouldn’t have. (We got the money back.)
~Misstrial
Sweet Find, Brad…
Must Reading!
It lays it out like a detective case, step by step~
This would seem to be of great interest to anyone holding any municipal bonds. The Pershing presentation seems to indicate that both of the outfits that INSURE municipal bonds are undercapitalized, and highly exposed to subprime mortgage problems. Even though the muni bonds themselves are obviously not mortgage-backed. Hmm, my friend who gets most things right has told me over and over to dump my AAA munis. Maybe now I know why.
The same goes for anything else “AAA” rated, unless you know exactly what that rating is based on. The biggest rating companies have a serious conflict of interest, since they are paid by the issuers.
Has this been seen?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/business/02charts.html?ex=1338436800&en=1c4a7731c1f4fb96&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
Is the S & P officially using Case/Schiller Index now? If so, that is great!
~Misstrial
I love those Case-Shiller charts. The historical context is invaluable.
As much as prices seem slow to drop, they are in fact falling much faster than during the last bust. Hopefully the unravelling of crazy lending will accelerate the whole process.
*Note in the graphic the percentage runup ended in ‘05 was twice that of ‘89. I wonder what this chart will end up looking like by 2010, given the suicide financing this was built on.
“Lennar Homes sent a letter…offering a 30 percent discount on their standing inventory of homes if they closed escrow by the end of May…If a home is priced at $500,000, you could get a $150,000 discount and purchase it for $350,000…The discount on a $750,000 home would be $225,000.”
Owww-ww–wwww–wwww–wwwwch!
If you bought one of these homes in the past year or so…you may be OVER 30% underwater.
Owww-ww–wwww–wwww–wwwwch!
Yea, that’s gotta hurt… Well at least the locksmiths will be busy for the next few years.
So will the local sheriffs moving the idiots out of their overpriced McMansions
A lot of local sheriffs ARE those idiots in overpriced McMansions.
That’s a very interesting point, actually.
Interesting about LV lofts such as Soho. I would read about them in the US Airways flight magazine and see what the “beautiful young” people would be doing in places such as that. 70% are for sale eh? Yup, I would be greatly disappointed and severely humbled if I was the 30% who bought them at price.
And those Lennar homes, $750k discounted by $225k. What a stab that would be to the ones who bought full price! How many years does it take for one to make up for the $225k? It’s staggering!
Well, enough ogling at the FBs. I have another $1300 to add to my municipal bond fund purchase next week. Oh, did I say they yield a humble 3% to 6% annually and are federal and state income tax free? I shed grins for those who thought they’d strike it rich in RE because RE always goes up!
Be on the look-out for AMT-free, tax-free munis! May be something to think about if you’re in that vulnerable income bracket.
~Misstrial
But also see the pdf above that warns about the undercapitalization of both of the outfits (MBIA and AMBAC) that insure municipal bonds.
Will do! Thanks
*thinking that states/municipalities may have to raise corporate taxes due to undercapitalization of muni insurerers* Who else has any money? Not homeowners, not renters.
~Misstrial
Yeah, I have been close to AMT in the 2005 tax year. Something to consider. My muni bond fund may be susceptible to the AMT, which is disconcerting. This AMT debacle is why I love Series I savings bonds and EE bonds. You don’t get taxed on interest until you redeem them, and I won’t redeem them for quite a long time, long after Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton (the next President and one termer) will leave their offices and hopefully long enough for their new taxes (which they will surely enact) to be reversed. My 2001 series I bonds earned an annualized return of 5.8% since October 2001 and I did not pay a dime in tax on that interest. My T-bill interest gets taxed every year. So it’s a tax on a tax for treasuries.
OT-
A few months back I wrote about a friend of mine who had bought a house in April of 06 (1695 sq. ft.) for 305,000 with a payment of 2,400. He was fresh off a BK so the loan was done through a subprime company called Long Beach mortgage and WAMU. I am guessing about two months after purchasing the house he began to fall behind in payments and quit making payments altogether by October of 06. He still lives in the house with his family and it looks like they are going to foreclose on it in the middle of July. In a recent conversation with him , he tells me that he is looking for one of those “we buy homes” companies to sale his too. He also says he has certain stipulations for the sale. The Company or LLC, that buys the home must rent it out to him with option to buy if not, then he will outright sale it to a buyer and purchase a condo instead. I quickly pointed out to him that his house was overpriced by at least 90,000 and there is so much work that needs to be done to the house just to make it presentable in the first place. I also told him that there is a good chance he would not get financed for another piece of property for at least 10 years due to the subprime fall out, which he had no clue what I was talking about. In conclusion I had warned him prior to buying the house in April of 06 about a possible housing bubble and he and his wife rolled there eyes and told me to keep making my landlord rich. To make matters worse they just bought a 2003 Saturn Vue for 17,000 when I had advised them to pay cash for a vehicle ( they already missed there first payment). This whole thing is like watching a movie in slow motion but you already know the outcome. I am sure this story is not an isolated case but probably millions of americans are living the same way.
Your friend is delusional… how do people come to these conclusions?
The funny thing is he is acting like he is in the drivers seat calling all the shots…by the way does anyone know what his obligation is if they sale his house for far less money then what it is worth??? How strict are they in collecting the balance. People like this need to be stopped and have to pay the price for their actions.
Usually they get a 1099 as the balance is seen as taxable income. If he is insolvent, sometimes they waive it.
Forgot to mention I believe that the trustee (on behalf of the lender) can issue a deficiency judgment which requires full pay back.
They will issue either the 1099 or the deficiency judgment, not both. Again, in cases of insolvency, sometimes they are waived.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but depending on the state, I believe this to be the case.
With the negative savings rate, even if these fool sell off the entire collection of toys there will still be so many insolvent that the 1099s will be useless. I have a feeling that a lot of money will never be recouped or taxed after this mess plays out.
I have a feeling that may not happen, an example will have to be made. With excessive amounts of debt gives the govt. lots of options and creative ways to require full payment . I just cant see everybody skating.
Your post reminded me of The Apprentice - think it was Apprentice 2. There was a contestant (Troy from Idaho, IIRC) who is a RE-type (can’t remember which type) who bought distressed residential properties and then sold them back to the distressed homebuyer for less. Anyway, his claim to fame was that he was a street-smart type who is a self-made millionaire by doing these sorts of deals.
~Misstrial
A little OT, but I thought I would add: What is up with the realtor signs advertising garage sales? I see more and more of these all the time. Right next to the open house there is a sign by the same realty co. telling everyone about the garage sale. Second, drove around the Lake Forest (OC) area today at lunch. People still delusional. One guy told me his house was available at 659,900. I just nodded. No use gettting into a pissing match w/him. Which leads me to my second observation: Why don’t people put the prices on flyers anymore? In the area I was scouting at lunch, no one had the wishing prices on them. Are people too embarassed to put them on knowing any smart person would just laugh? Hey, if you have a flyer, you better put the price on it. Just some notes from your local south OC watcher.
The no-price fliers annoy me too. They should give prospective buyers some idea of what they want for the place up-front.
“What is up with the realtor signs advertising garage sales?”
I have been assuming that homeowners are trying to raise a bit of extra cash to help them pay the mortgage. Is this off base?
It’s just public relations for the RE agent. When I lived in OC there was a local realtor gal who supervised a neighborhood yard sale every year.